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we've talked about Chloe Kardashian, but yeah,

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get ready. The wait is over. Finally.

3:16

They're really excited. Chloe is

3:18

back in the headlines. Thanks to

3:20

her appearance on the She MD

3:22

podcast yesterday. So she spoke

3:24

with the host of the show who also happens

3:26

to be her OBGYN, Dr. Taiz

3:29

Aliabadi, or Dr. A, as she likes

3:31

to call her, and her co-host,

3:33

Mary Alice Haney. So Dr.

3:35

A actually delivered Chloe's second child

3:37

with Tristan Thompson, a boy named

3:39

Tatum, who came via surrogacy.

3:42

And in the podcast, Chloe talks

3:45

about how hard that journey ended up

3:47

being for her. So Chloe gave birth

3:49

to her daughter, True, six years ago.

3:51

Tristan is also True's dad. But

3:54

after True was born, those two

3:56

split up for a while, and then they got

3:58

back together. We all remember. that. Yeah.

4:02

Nothing like being in labor and finding out

4:04

your baby daddy is hooking

4:06

up with some rando. I know and she

4:08

like talked about how she was in Cleveland when

4:11

she left first child. Yeah, because of his team.

4:13

Yeah and like Dr. Ray and her mom and

4:15

her sisters had to fly in like last minute.

4:17

She's like I had to put them on private

4:20

planes. It was hard. It was so, she was

4:22

like, there was no Wi-Fi in the plane

4:24

so they couldn't talk to me. It's like

4:26

wow, that's terrible. Welcome to flying Southwest. Yeah,

4:29

every time you're like, the life I've had today

4:31

guys, sorry. Always and I have to load up

4:33

Candy Crush before I even get on the plane

4:35

so that I can play it on the plane.

4:37

Don't even get me started on Candy Crush. All

4:40

problems. Yeah. But after they got back

4:42

together they decided to have another child

4:44

but this time they decided to use

4:46

a surrogate and on the podcast Chloe

4:48

says that as they were beginning their

4:50

surrogacy journey she was hit with some

4:53

bombshell news about that piece of shit

4:55

Tristan. So it was a

4:58

couple days before Thanksgiving

5:00

and I ended up doing

5:02

the transfer and then the first week

5:05

of December I found out that my

5:07

ex was actually having a baby with

5:09

somebody else. So I sort

5:12

of got this asshole. Like

5:15

he knows that this is happening and he

5:17

still allows this to go through and go

5:19

move forward. Like I would be livid. Yeah.

5:22

So she is referring of course to

5:24

the son that Tristan had with Marilee Nichols.

5:27

Yeah, I'd be livid too. It's like

5:29

come on this asshole. I just

5:32

this guy is just it's

5:34

a compulsion. I don't know what it is

5:36

where it's like literally every single time. I

5:39

mean it's only been twice but still. Well it's

5:41

bad enough that he was cheating on her and

5:43

having a baby with someone else but to let

5:46

her go through with the whole surrogacy process and

5:48

all of this like knowing that you're doing that.

5:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah definitely

5:52

not a great thing to learn while you're

5:54

trying to have a second baby with someone.

5:56

Yeah, so between feeling blindsided by that news

5:59

and feeling detached. from her surrogacy

6:01

pregnancy, when it came time for Tatum to

6:03

be born, Chloe admits that she had a

6:05

meltdown. So Tatum was born

6:07

a couple of weeks early and when she got

6:09

the call from Dr. A that he was about to be

6:11

delivered, she was actually in the middle

6:14

of a mommy-daughter weekend with True. Yeah, Chloe

6:16

says that she was a mess but that

6:19

Dr. A stepped up big time. And so

6:21

I go, no,

6:23

we can't do this. I started hysterically crying.

6:25

And she goes, you know what, I'll deliver

6:28

the baby, I'll take the baby and you

6:30

come, you let me know when you're ready

6:32

to pick him up. There

6:35

were so many, because they of course use this

6:37

sound bite online, like

6:39

for a lot of outlets and

6:41

the comments were all like, wow,

6:43

what a piece of shit, like you didn't

6:45

have to tell everything about your life, your son's

6:47

gonna see this someday. It's like, you guys

6:50

are idiots. And this is, this is what's

6:52

so frustrating is like, this is actually super

6:54

common. I mean, it's not this

6:57

particular scenario, I would hope not,

6:59

but just like, not feeling attached

7:01

to a baby that you have

7:03

postpartum depression, both for the

7:05

mother and father of children. And we don't

7:07

talk about it enough. People are like, oh,

7:09

you have your baby, you have to be

7:11

in love immediately. And it's like, it's okay

7:13

if you're not, especially a huge change. This

7:15

is a lot at once. And a lot

7:17

of emotions carried the baby for her. Like

7:19

this is super common when you have a

7:21

surrogate to not feel that connection. So yeah,

7:24

yeah. It's common to feel it, not feel it when you've

7:26

carried the baby. It's also common, especially common not to feel

7:28

it when you didn't like it's just people

7:30

that people are so ignorant about that stuff. And it

7:33

drives me nuts because it's such

7:35

a shameful experience. Like I've talked to people

7:37

who have had this and like they feel

7:39

shame because the culture is you have

7:41

to be obsessed with your baby the second it's

7:43

born. And it's like, it's okay if you're not.

7:46

Yeah, like, bro to love it. And people

7:48

should be talking about this more. And the

7:51

comments on Instagram are the reason people know

7:53

that's what pisses me off. But for the

7:55

record, they don't know shit. God, of course,

7:57

they don't know shit. They don't even all.

8:00

right is the quote. They haven't even read the caption.

8:02

I know. The number of... But for

8:05

the record, her cheese Chloe did go to the

8:07

hospital for the delivery, but

8:09

things didn't necessarily get any easier for her.

8:11

Unlike her experience giving birth to True, Chloe

8:13

says that she had a really hard time

8:16

connecting with Tatum early on and she says

8:18

it took about eight months to decide on

8:20

his name. But that

8:22

connection with Tatum did happen eventually and Chloe

8:25

says now she's obsessed with him. And

8:27

her advice to anyone using a surrogate is

8:29

to give themselves grace and patience. And keep...

8:33

I'm never going to have a child, but hearing

8:36

her talk about this was like, yeah, this

8:38

is good. It's good that she's talking about

8:40

this. It's good to understand that this is

8:42

common for people. Yeah. I think

8:44

it really needs to be talked about

8:46

more so that people realize how common it is

8:49

and they aren't so isolated because the

8:51

isolation I think can end up leading to some

8:53

really scary stuff and scary thoughts. And

8:55

it's like they need people who

8:57

have given birth need to know that they're

8:59

or have had just had a child adopting

9:01

like all of these different circumstances for having

9:04

a child can lead to a lot of

9:06

crazy thoughts in our heads. Yeah. And it's

9:08

just so fucking annoying

9:10

when people are like judging

9:13

from behind their keyboard. I know. I

9:15

know. But she talked about how Kim

9:17

had like a really good surrogacy

9:19

journey and she talked about it all the time

9:22

and she's like, so that made me more comfortable

9:24

to do it. But then once Tatum was here,

9:26

she was like, I was like, yeah, I feel

9:28

the same way. And she's like, but I'm inside.

9:30

I was like, what's wrong with me? Why am

9:33

I feeling this way? So yeah, different for everybody.

9:35

It really is. It really is. So now getting

9:37

back to Tristan, we know he and Chloe have

9:39

had a very rocky history. They've been on

9:41

and off over the years, all

9:43

because of him, I'm going to say. Yeah. They've

9:47

definitely broken up more than once because

9:49

of Tristan cheating on her. But

9:51

these days, Chloe says that even though they're not meant to

9:53

be together, he was meant to be the

9:55

father of her kids. And when it comes to their

9:57

relationship now, she says they get along so. so

10:00

well and she calls him the nicest

10:02

guy. So Chloe also

10:04

talks about how she made Tristan take three

10:06

DNA tests after Tatum was born because she

10:09

didn't think he looked anything like either of

10:11

them. And Chloe also

10:13

joked that she asked her brother Rob if

10:15

he ever donated sperm somewhere because she thought

10:17

Tatum looked so much like him. Which is

10:20

common. And she was like, in this family,

10:22

that would not surprise me, but that would

10:24

be so disgusting. It's like

10:26

Rob's like, I wish. I was like, no, I'm

10:28

getting plenty of money from this sock enterprise I've

10:31

built. I'm good. Is

10:33

that sock business still up and running? I'm

10:35

curious. I couldn't tell you if I had a gun

10:37

to buy. But

10:40

I do love because everyone, the three DNA

10:42

tests is the thing that we're seeing everywhere.

10:45

I feel like like, why would she ask?

10:47

Of course, this is an example of reading

10:49

comprehension. People are like, who did

10:51

you sleep with? And it's like, did nobody

10:53

actually read because it literally says in the

10:55

caption surrogacy. Yeah, don't get me

10:57

started. But it is

11:00

a little it's normal. Like she's

11:02

Rob is her brother. They share DNA.

11:04

I know. My nephews have some

11:06

similarities to me. It's like, doesn't mean it

11:08

means that genetics are working, doing their job.

11:10

Yeah. Does that mean they can't make decisions and

11:12

they guzzle milk? Yes,

11:16

obviously. Or did you mean looks? No,

11:19

personality. Okay. Anything like me.

11:21

No, but Colton has little freckles like I do. It's

11:24

so cute. Okay. So

11:26

Brooke, Chloe says she wanted to open up about

11:28

her surrogacy journey in the hopes that it will

11:30

help at least one person. What's

11:33

it up to you for this interview? I

11:35

gotta say my favorite thing about the interview was that it

11:37

was 47 minutes long. Why?

11:39

Because they're coming off that three hour roast.

11:41

Yes. Well, every time we talk

11:44

about one of these interviews or like a call her

11:46

daddy interview and they're so long and I have to

11:48

listen on like one point eight as I'm driving over

11:50

here. I'm surprised at how fast

11:52

I can listen nowadays. I know. I

11:54

was like, 47 minutes. I was like, yes. I was like,

11:56

I can do this in 20 easy. But

12:01

no, I just, you know, nothing I haven't already

12:03

said. I think, again,

12:05

I encourage people, if you're

12:07

gonna spout off your mouth in the

12:09

comments, actually read the

12:11

articles, actually listen to the podcast, at the

12:14

very least read the caption because this is

12:16

what these places do. It's like, Poet

12:19

tried to give her baby away to a doctor. It's

12:21

like, shut up. Shut

12:23

up. Can

12:26

you imagine if that had happened? Come

12:28

on. I know. Well, but

12:30

she was like to the other lady

12:32

that was there. She was

12:34

like, yeah, she's done that and actually kept, adopted

12:37

a baby. That's like, wow. The,

12:39

yeah, the surrogate, I mean, doctor, whatever

12:41

her name is. Yeah. Dr.

12:44

A. Yeah. I

12:46

thought it was the other lady that said it. Mary the

12:48

co-host? Yeah. I don't know the difference between

12:50

the two of them. I don't, I don't remember. I don't

12:52

know either. But one of them did that and

12:54

kept a baby. I just,

12:56

I feel like what's bumping

12:58

the most for me, pardon the language,

13:01

is just, Tristan still being

13:03

around. I mean, I know this

13:06

is her choice, but like this guy, and I,

13:08

I respect her for coming to

13:11

this like very Zen look

13:14

at her child's dad, her children's

13:16

dad, where it's just like this

13:20

guy. Like don't let your,

13:22

I hope your kids don't model their behavior off

13:24

for him because he's just shitty. He does shitty

13:26

things. He is shitty. But

13:28

he seems like a good dad. She said so many

13:30

times, and they've all said so many times that he

13:32

is a really good dad. And I guess at the

13:34

end of the day, that's what's most important. And yeah.

13:37

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13:48

else did you tell John says I'm basically

13:50

Taylor Swift. He didn't say that. Yes, he

13:52

did. Let's see the screenshots. I'm too. Okay.

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