On this episode of SEPADPod Simon speaks with Ibrahim Halawi and Ruba Ali Al-Hassani about their recent report Desectarianization and the End of Sectarianism? Funded by The Henry Luce Foundation the report looks at desectarianization in Iraq, Lebanon and Bahrain.

In the discussion, Simon, Ibrahim and Ruba reflect on desectarianization as 're-imagining', sectarianism and episteme, bottom up and top down processes, and the role of violence.

The full report is available here: https://www.sepad.org.uk/report/desectarianization-and-the-end-of-sectarianism