0:00

It's weird sitting down to the mic again.

0:04

Yeah, let me just up right

0:06

at the top. I will throw for the listeners. I almost

0:08

say, the viewers. The viewers, that's how

0:10

that's how disconnected I am from the audio world

0:12

right now.

0:13

In their mind's eye, I'm sure they're

0:15

picturing it.

0:15

Oh, they're picturing much better

0:18

than what than reality.

0:20

I don't like to share pictures of ourselves.

0:23

We prefer whatever you're thinking.

0:25

But I will say we continue

0:27

to be scattered and sporadic for various reasons.

0:29

But I am still very excited.

0:31

We will have news for you guys soon

0:33

about you know, our schedules lately and how

0:35

everything's been going one

0:38

way or another. I think the you know, the

0:40

fires of industry. They burn slow,

0:42

but we're on the break.

0:43

They burn fast, but they warm slow.

0:46

Yeah, maybe

0:49

something.

0:50

We're on the brink of cool new

0:52

news. But until then, got to.

0:54

Say, we appreciate your patience. Really sorry

0:56

to be so spotty with our recordings

1:00

out, but we really really

1:03

enjoy making this show. We promise we

1:06

are working on it, and we

1:08

miss you guys. So I'm missing us,

1:10

guys.

1:11

We've gotten some messages checking in, are you guys?

1:13

Okay, how nice

1:15

to we are people to care you.

1:17

Are, and I'll be worth it. I'm so, I'm so very

1:19

excited. But

1:21

part of recently we did go out of town.

1:24

We did go out of town. We're reacted, of course,

1:26

the promised land Las Vegas.

1:28

Baby.

1:30

We got offered some free rooms because

1:32

of our last trip to Vegas.

1:34

It doesn't take much.

1:34

Apparently, Eli just kind of turned me. It's

1:37

like, hey, I don't know, do you want to go stay?

1:39

Do you want to go back to Vegas? And we hadn't planned a

1:41

trip for this year, so I was like, fine.

1:43

If I may say, I

1:45

got that email offering us three

1:48

free nights at Park MGM, and

1:50

I turned to you very much

1:52

expecting an eye roll, and what

1:55

yeah, sure, great, No I'm not going

1:57

back to Vegas. And I distinctly

1:59

remember you saying, you know what, let's

2:01

do it. And I was shocked, right,

2:04

I was like, well, if you want to, then we're definitely

2:06

going, because I always want to well, I want to

2:08

go somewhere.

2:09

I don't want all our vacations

2:11

to just be Vegas.

2:13

I don't either.

2:13

That is not going to work.

2:14

This one ended up being a full seven days,

2:18

really crazy and I'm good for a minute,

2:20

and.

2:20

I'm going to tell y'all seven days is too long. It's

2:23

too much Vegas. But I mean, we usually

2:25

take a trip for anniversary. It's the anniversary

2:28

next week actually, And we

2:30

hadn't really planned anything this year because of all

2:32

the reasons. We're so scattered, we're not really

2:34

sure what's going on right now. So a lot of

2:36

things up in the air, a lot of balls up in the air. So

2:38

we were like, I was just like, I don't know what else

2:40

we're going to plan for this year, so we may as

2:43

well just go for it. I mean, I feel like free

2:45

stuff. I'm fine to accept free

2:47

stuff. And we did accept

2:49

a lot of free stuff.

2:50

Oh did we? And I'll tell

2:53

you well, we'll give a little brief recap of

2:55

the trip in the in the upfront here. We

2:57

got in the park MGM. They gave us

2:59

a nice upgrade to our room, which

3:02

was very kind of them. They put us up

3:04

on the twenty third floor, which had been

3:06

recently renovated, and they put

3:08

us in a stay well room which has

3:11

a air purifier and hypoallergenic

3:13

pillows and a vitamin C infused

3:16

shower. Whatever that means, it means nothing.

3:20

What it is is you go in there and the hose

3:22

of the shower has this little it looks

3:25

like the Ninja Turtles two secret

3:27

of the loose canister except the orange

3:30

and the shower water is going through

3:32

that before it comes out the shower heads. You're like, some

3:35

tang is being applied to our skin right

3:38

now in this shower there.

3:40

The room itself, however, did not appeal

3:43

to us. It was an accessibility

3:45

room, which is wonderful

3:48

and helpful I'm sure for someone who needs it,

3:50

but like, for example, are the closet rod

3:52

was set very low, so Diana couldn't hang

3:54

the dresses that she brought up in the closet.

3:57

And there's no furniture because obviously they

3:59

want the walkways to be so there was no

4:01

drawers to put our clothes in some

4:03

of these things that or or for example,

4:05

we really liked the standing shower that we

4:08

had last time when we stayed there, and this time

4:10

there was a tub with some you know, accessibility

4:12

features handrails and a sitting

4:14

tub with a bench and things like that, which

4:16

is all cool, but it wasn't for us.

4:19

Yeah, we didn't need it. Yeah, So it was just like, you

4:21

know, a little bit disappointing. But

4:23

I thought it was very strange that a lot of the decor

4:25

was just gone. And you know, it was like some of the

4:28

stuff on the wall, I feel like it shouldn't have an

4:30

effect, or even painting

4:32

the wall or something just so that has some vibes

4:34

in there. It's still a nice hotel room. The view

4:37

was great. It was like a pool view.

4:38

Oh pools had view lovely.

4:39

But yeah, in a lot of ways, I'm just kind of I was sort

4:42

of like, well, I'm angry for my accessibility

4:44

friends who are getting this kind of like

4:47

dingy room, but I'm glad

4:49

that they. Of course, it's very important to have those accommodations.

4:51

Yeah, that's more important that you can your

4:54

room is functional than pretty.

4:55

So the next day, Diana had

4:58

treated herself to a

5:00

Belagio massage spa

5:02

package, and I know you had questioned it do

5:05

I you know, I don't want to spend this money, and I was

5:07

like, do it. We're here, We're making this as

5:09

cheap a vacation as we can have your one

5:11

splurge thing.

5:12

It's true.

5:12

And while she was gone, I thought, well, maybe I'll

5:14

see if I can get our room changed. And

5:17

so you tell them your SPA experience.

5:20

Which I was. I'm already looking

5:22

into like a mister Bean clown

5:25

school or something, because I really

5:27

want to make anxious girl it goes to the spa

5:30

clown routine because there were many things about

5:32

it that were very anxiety inducing in

5:35

some ways. And I told him right up front, A very

5:37

bad at relaxing, so we're here to learn.

5:40

But there are lots of things like the shower was incredibly

5:42

hot and I couldn't I couldn't change the temperature

5:44

because there's too many knobs. So it's just

5:46

various little things like that. It was totally making me laugh

5:49

though otherwise it was just a beautiful

5:51

experience. I mean, they were really nice there. They

5:53

really weren't sneery at all. Don't I don't

5:56

go to spas, so I didn't know what to do. I don't

5:58

know if the policy protocols

6:00

or protocols or how you move around that space

6:02

looking like you belong, right, but

6:04

they were so so nice. It was really beautiful

6:07

facility. The massage was amazing. I also

6:09

got this like CBD body scrub

6:11

treatment thing that was really nice, and

6:13

so I was I came out. Like when I went

6:16

back out to leave, this other

6:18

lady was like, did you get a facial today? And I was like,

6:20

no, I didn't. I got, you know, my my two treatments.

6:22

She's like, well, you are just glowing, and

6:25

I was like, well, I feel like I'm glowing. And maybe she says

6:27

that to everybody, but it worked for me.

6:30

So it was just a lovely experience. I was like,

6:32

I'm so glad I did it. It was so so wonderful.

6:34

Cut to me, I'm like sweating. I

6:37

did move the room. So I'm hauling all of our

6:39

bags up and down elevators three days.

6:42

But yes, I called him. I was like, I'm done at the Bellagio

6:45

and he's like, I'm just moving us to

6:47

our new room. So I'll come, you know, come on through

6:49

and I'll show it to you. And Eli meets me down

6:52

a lobby and he's he was like, all right,

6:54

so yeah, I asked about a room

6:56

upgrade or switching

6:58

the room, and and you

7:01

know, it's it's a better room. It's definitely

7:03

a bit it's worth moving. I'm glad that we

7:05

moved. Don't have, you know, lower your expectations.

7:07

And I was like, okay, it's just

7:09

better. So I was like, it's a standard room whatever.

7:12

And we go up to the twenty eighth floor, this time

7:15

higher than before. Oh that's

7:17

nice. He's like the views not as good and

7:19

stuff, but whatever, it's fine, and he's

7:21

walking me to the room and it's like right there by the elevators.

7:25

Didn't realize he was filming me. That would have been

7:27

a real giveaway because

7:29

he opened the door and it was

7:31

like the most amazing suite that

7:33

I've ever been in. I was like, what am

7:35

I looking at?

7:37

Was closet?

7:38

We had a walk in closet. The bathroom is

7:40

amazing, so

7:43

cute and had all of the little decor

7:46

and details that I had been looking for, and

7:48

it was so lovely, and I was just like.

7:51

Wow, it was it was

7:53

a worse view.

7:54

It was a worse view, but who cares

7:57

better? Oh man, it was just

8:00

so such a nice surprise. So I was just

8:02

like, I'm already feeling so good, and then he

8:04

had spent all this time to make me feel even

8:06

better. It was really nice.

8:08

Well look at me, look at you, sweating

8:10

and dragon and I know you had the very opposite

8:13

of relaxing experience. But

8:15

but then bullet points, let's see

8:19

lots of money, want some money, saw caw

8:21

it struck to Sole, which is really cool. We saw

8:25

a fantasy at Luxur which was

8:27

so we went for like, oh, we'll see like a strip

8:29

tease sexy girls

8:32

show. It was hilarious.

8:35

The MC was just

8:37

killer. She's an incredible singer and comedian.

8:39

And there was a stand up that was awesome. It was just a

8:41

great show. Really loved it.

8:43

Yeah, I was so surprised because it's one of the cheaper

8:45

shows that we went to, and I was like,

8:47

this one's actually really good. And then girls were

8:49

very pretty and they danced really well, and

8:51

I mean everything was really fun. So I was just like, I

8:53

don't know, this is great.

8:56

And we were like right in the front row too. It's kind

8:58

of freaky, but fortunately nobody bothered us. They had

9:00

other people. They had drunker people to make fun of.

9:03

We saw Piff the Magic Dragon from America's

9:05

Got Talent. He was hilarious. And

9:07

then and then yeah, and then we were gonna leave

9:09

Friday, and Caesar's

9:11

Properties offered us two more

9:14

free nights at the Horseshoe. I don't know why we're

9:16

not high rollers. We're not big spenders. I

9:19

guess they just like us.

9:20

We just said why not and.

9:22

Then we left. We checked out the

9:24

day that MGM got hacked,

9:27

but we were we had moved over to a Caesar's

9:29

property so we didn't have to deal with it. We didn't even know what was happening

9:31

until we until we left.

9:32

Yeah, we also were there when Ed

9:34

Sheeran canceled the concert,

9:37

just like an hour or something before it was supposed

9:39

to go on. God and I had gone

9:42

up to the room and seeing these five

9:44

girls leaving their room at the Horseshoe dressed

9:47

like Ed Sheeran, like they had full

9:49

on Weasley red wigs, I

9:52

was like, they're either Weasley's or Ed Sheeran, I

9:54

don't know which one. And when I realized Ed

9:56

Seron was playing, it was like that's definitely what it was. All

9:58

were in the same outfit, they had like uh drawn

10:00

on facial hair and everything, and I was just

10:03

like so excited for them because I was like, what an

10:05

amazing night they're going to have it Ed Sheeran.

10:07

And then he canceled, and I was just.

10:09

Thinking about them all weekend, like I

10:11

hope they went to karaoke and all saying shape of You

10:13

together or something.

10:14

People were mad, but I were mad.

10:16

I heard it was a legit safety

10:18

issue.

10:19

Yes it was. It sounded like it

10:21

was the right thing to do. But I definitely felt sorry because

10:24

we were talking about some people had the worst,

10:27

very worst possible Vegas vacation

10:29

that they could have had because they flew in

10:32

to stay at an MGM

10:34

property and see Ed Sheeran and

10:36

instead they did not see Ed Sheerant, and they got

10:38

their credit card information compromise

10:41

and couldn't.

10:42

Play anything slot like hours to check out

10:44

of your.

10:44

Anyway, crazy situation. So

10:47

we got very Maybe we didn't make our fortune

10:49

in Vegas, but I still feel like we were very,

10:52

very lucky.

10:52

Yes, yes, we had a really

10:55

nice time.

10:55

It was wonderful, some good food.

10:57

So that's the bullet point. We won't spend

10:59

the whole episodisode recounting like we did last

11:01

year when we went to Vegas with Cherry and Jason. But

11:05

uh, but we're back. We're

11:07

in our in our in our house. Yay.

11:10

Not a sweet, not a.

11:11

Sweet that does not get turned down every naw.

11:13

Yeah, No one comes in here and cleans when we go

11:15

out to work.

11:16

Who's responsible for this bathroom?

11:18

Right? And uh, none of the

11:20

games I'm playing even have the possibility

11:23

of paying me money anymore.

11:24

You're paying them. Yeah,

11:27

so but onward you're

11:30

different out here.

11:31

Yeah. But I

11:33

am excited to be back to this

11:35

because I do love doing this so much more than

11:38

sitting around and waiting to do this, which

11:40

is what I spend the rest of my time doing. Well.

11:43

Also, this one's really interesting. Yeah, this is fun

11:46

because I get last episode we

11:48

were talking about fuck for Forrest.

11:50

If you can remember way back, ask your grandparents

11:52

if they remember that episode.

11:55

Yeah, go back to the ancestry decades

11:57

ago. But yeah, one of our

11:59

story, and that one was about the non

12:02

well I guess it's not really technically a nonprofit,

12:04

but they're trying to basically

12:06

make pornography to

12:09

raise money to give to environmental

12:11

causes, and they sometimes

12:13

have sex with vegetables, okay, and so

12:16

it's like, hmm, and apparently that is part

12:18

of being an eco sexual, which is this whole

12:20

sexual identity. I had never heard of this, even

12:23

doing this show for two years, had not this

12:25

had not come up for us. So this was really exciting.

12:28

And it turns out that the pioneers

12:30

of ecosexuality are a married

12:32

lesbian couple who have spent decades

12:35

making art around female sexuality,

12:37

gender identity, queer identity, and

12:40

environmental action. So all

12:42

lots of things that we're interested in, especially

12:45

at this show. So let's talk about

12:47

Annie Sprinkle, Beth Stevens

12:49

and the eco sexual identity that

12:51

proclaims that Earth is not our

12:54

mother but our love.

12:56

Oh okay, let's go, yay.

13:00

Come listen. Well, Eli

13:02

and Diana got some stories to tell. There's

13:04

no matchmaking a romantic tips.

13:07

It's just about ridiculous relations

13:09

ships.

13:09

I love.

13:10

There might be any type of person at all,

13:12

an abstract concept or a concrete

13:14

wall. But if there's a story where the

13:16

Second clans ridiculous

13:19

romance.

13:20

A production of iHeartRadio.

13:23

Elizabeth Stevens was born in

13:25

nineteen sixty in Montgomery, West

13:27

Virginia, deep in coal country,

13:30

to a coal company owning family,

13:32

which must be an interesting thing

13:35

for her to deal with now that she's such an environmental

13:37

you know, activists, right. She

13:40

went to lots of great schools, Tufts, the

13:42

Museum's School, and Rutgers, earning

13:44

fine arts degrees, and then she was hired

13:46

at the University of California in Santa

13:48

Cruz UC Santa Cruz in nineteen

13:51

ninety three, where as outsiderfest

13:53

dot Org writes, she was quote a

13:56

feisty, punk, dyke, playboy,

13:58

interdisciplinary artist and professor

14:00

exploring themes of gender, queerness

14:03

and feminism.

14:05

I know that that was my crowd in

14:07

college. Hell yeah, I honest.

14:09

I don't know. If I could have hung out with them, I would have

14:11

felt not cool enough, but I would have been like, they're

14:14

so cool.

14:15

Oh. I was just like sitting like, just

14:17

keep your mouth shut. Just it's

14:19

cool that you're here. Just

14:22

to live, to be included. Just live in it. Don't

14:24

say, don't ruin it.

14:26

Just let it happen. Just happy to be in the room

14:29

exactly. One of Beth's

14:31

earliest projects is a film from nineteen

14:33

eighty nine called Women Eating, and

14:36

another from the same year where she interviews Wahawk

14:38

and women and then. She would eventually chair

14:40

the art department at UC Santa Cruz twice,

14:43

once between two thousand and six and two thousand

14:45

and nine and then again from twenty seventeen

14:47

until twenty twenty.

14:49

You know, it's very rude to watch

14:51

women eating and women talking at

14:53

the same time.

14:55

You can't.

14:56

You want to make sure you've finished women eating and

14:58

then you can go into women talking.

15:00

But don't then watch women swallowing. That's a

15:02

very different film. Oh nope, the

15:04

in between film is not the same. It's

15:07

not part of the series.

15:08

All right, So the other

15:11

woman here, Annie Sprinkle. She's going

15:13

to take a little bit longer to introduce. She

15:15

was born Ellen f Steinberg in

15:18

Philly in nineteen fifty four, and then her family

15:20

moved to la and then they moved to Panama

15:22

during her teen years, and when she was eighteen,

15:25

she was working at a movie theater in Tucson,

15:27

Arizona that was showing the

15:30

seminole porn film

15:33

Deep Throat, Ah the classic.

15:36

Ellen here was working at the

15:38

Deep Throat screening and the movie theater she

15:41

was working at got busted for showing an adult

15:43

movie. Oh we swear we thought it was about the Nixon

15:45

tapes. Well. Ellen

15:48

was called as a witness during this case,

15:50

and when she went to the courthouse, she met

15:53

and fell head over heels for

15:55

Deep Throats director Gerard

15:58

Damiano.

15:59

Wow.

16:00

She became his mistress and she followed him

16:02

to New York City and Not long after,

16:04

she of course naturally started doing porn

16:06

herself under the name Annie Sprinkle.

16:09

Her best known porn you

16:12

all know and love. It's one that she co directed.

16:15

It's called Deep Inside Annie

16:17

Sprinkle, and it was the second

16:19

highest grossing porn film of nineteen

16:21

eighty one. Did you happen to find the first?

16:24

I did?

16:24

Not?

16:25

I should find it.

16:26

You know, it doesn't even matter because who inside

16:28

Annie Sprinkle? I mean, come on, really,

16:31

get me a lot of I assume it's

16:33

about an introspective look, yeah, exactly

16:35

into the soul of Annie Sprinkle and not.

16:38

It's basically beat poetry.

16:40

Sure, beat

16:42

your meat poetry.

16:43

Beat your meat poetry. You

16:46

know, Annie would probably approve of that.

16:48

I think she'd be like, I'm down for beat your meat

16:50

poetry. Let's get this going.

16:53

Bongo drums, Jack carra

16:55

whass Jack

16:57

Carroll whack off.

16:58

Jack Carroll whack off. Yeah, doing beat

17:00

the meat poetry.

17:02

Jack off carohakoff.

17:03

Oh my god, we should do that meat poetry.

17:06

Okay, I'm the work on anxious girl going to the spa,

17:08

but you need to work on jack off kro

17:10

whakhoff doing beat your meat poetry?

17:12

All right, that's it everyone ridiculous

17:14

from it's canceled. We're focused on this

17:16

project.

17:16

Now we have some art.

17:18

To make, all right. Well.

17:19

Anny then started getting into sex education

17:22

as well as entertainment. She created

17:24

a Sluts and Goddesses workshop

17:26

about female pleasure in nineteen ninety

17:29

one that then became a video

17:31

workshop series. In nineteen

17:33

ninety six, she became the first known

17:36

porn star to earn a doctorate

17:38

degree, which she got in human sexuality.

17:42

And I love the qualifier. They're

17:44

like, lots of people have doctorate degrees,

17:46

lots of people are porn stars. A

17:48

lot of people with doctors don't tell you if they ever

17:51

did porn. Oh, they don't let

17:53

you know. But she's like, I'm just the first body

17:55

who said it. Yeah, yeah, I'm.

17:56

Proud of it.

17:56

I want you to know. Okay, I bet

17:59

there's a lot more people now that have like doctorates

18:02

that are on OnlyFans house.

18:03

Do you think they paid for medical exactly right?

18:06

But anyway, at the time, this was a real surprise.

18:10

And then she pioneered feminist pornography

18:13

or porn based on women's desires,

18:16

which she kind of created because she wanted to defy

18:18

a feminist group that operated in

18:20

the seventies and eighties that was

18:23

hilariously called WOP

18:25

Women Against Pornography.

18:27

What but I kind of love the idea

18:30

of Cardi b and Megan thee Stallion being like,

18:32

you know what, I'm taking it back.

18:35

WOP now means wet ass pussy.

18:37

How about that?

18:38

Wow, women against Pornography? You get a bucket

18:41

and a mop. We're

18:44

going to clean up this town. What if that have been their slogan

18:46

is like, We're going to get a bucket and a mop and

18:48

clean up this town.

18:50

Oh my god, I love it so much. Uh,

18:53

Annie's Beinka also made lesbian porn

18:55

and a transgender love story

18:57

film Okay, which you know again she's

19:00

she's making movies in the nineties. This was a

19:02

real boundary that she was pushing.

19:05

Uh.

19:05

Some other genres that she has been at the for

19:07

scanna, I mean forefront of Wow

19:11

whoops em uh

19:14

are include genres like edgy

19:17

porn, triple X docu

19:19

drama, gonzo porn,

19:22

okay, art porn, and feminist

19:24

erotica.

19:25

All right, gonzo porn more

19:27

like gonzo journalism, not muppets.

19:31

I'm assuming.

19:32

Well, look, you know what, there's something

19:34

everybody with pornography,

19:37

but gonzo porn like gonzo journalism.

19:39

It kind of sounds like you run up on somebody.

19:42

Like yeah, Wikipedia tells me

19:44

it's the style of pornographic film that attempts

19:47

to place the viewer directly into the scene.

19:49

Oh so it's like POV porn.

19:51

Yeah kind of maybe so yeah, yeah, POV

19:54

is what they get into here. Yeah.

19:55

So, well, apparently any VR, porn,

19:58

VR, early VR. I'm

20:00

surprised she's not working on so maybe she is.

20:02

She may be. Well.

20:03

Annie Spinkle one of the first to do POV

20:06

porn. I yes, she

20:08

also worked as a prostitute. She got

20:10

into burless, she did live sex shows,

20:13

and she wrote for sex magazines. So she's just

20:15

all over the sex industry.

20:17

Annie also started doing performance

20:19

art. Naturally, she needed every outlet

20:21

she could find to get this. She clearly

20:24

a lot of performance hey now.

20:27

This included her best known piece, public

20:30

cervix Announcement, where

20:34

where she lets the audience view

20:36

her cervix with a speculum

20:38

and a flashlight to quote celebrate

20:41

the female body. And I mean

20:43

I celebrate a lot of things that I

20:45

don't need a very close look at.

20:49

Don't tell me what's in that cake for example,

20:52

I'm good with the big picture.

20:55

Well it doesn't know, won't hurt me? Yeah exactly, but

20:57

I don't know won't hurt me. Another

21:00

formance piece she did was called The Legend

21:02

of the Ancient Sacred Prostitute,

21:04

where she does something called a quote sex

21:07

magic masturbation ritual on

21:09

stage.

21:10

Sex magic sounds like a very White song

21:12

to me, Oh yeah,

21:15

baby, ooh,

21:17

I'm gonna turn you on with my

21:20

six magic.

21:21

Uh huh.

21:22

Give it to us, very if it don't

21:24

work for you to bear that

21:27

movie tragy, because

21:32

we was made for a low murderer,

21:36

were made for to Juny

21:39

of those books and wed

21:42

a lowe.

21:43

Wow, very

21:45

very.

21:47

Journy.

21:48

Other book, Very,

21:52

how did you get in here?

21:55

You gonna pull a scarf, ride

21:58

out on my hat and then you

22:00

jump in the box.

22:02

And I was ritual and half

22:04

straight or blow out the back, but

22:07

out there.

22:10

Us up. Okay,

22:13

he tied the magic back in. I see

22:15

that's good.

22:16

Okaye. He's a sex.

22:18

Magician, sex magician.

22:19

Yeah, he's pulling things out of his sack.

22:21

He's pulling things out of somewhere. All

22:24

right, Well, thanks for

22:26

stopping by special guest star

22:29

Very White today's episode.

22:31

I'm doing a real bad job,

22:33

David.

22:35

All Right. So Annie also has

22:38

toured internationally for years

22:40

doing her performance art. She is often

22:43

presented as a visiting artist at universities

22:45

and colleges all over the US and Europe,

22:48

and her work is also studied in

22:50

courses all over in colleges like

22:53

women's studies, queer studies, film history,

22:56

human sexuality, courses like that,

23:01

the history of World War Two. Sure,

23:04

home economics, I'm sure ap

23:07

calculus. That's high school, but you know

23:09

it's an advanced class.

23:10

So making

23:13

taught again with Annie Sprinkle, Now that

23:15

would work, I mean maybe

23:17

it would. Well, that's pretty cool. I mean that's

23:19

cool to first of all, get get

23:23

get a doctorate in human sexuality

23:25

and then start adding so much to

23:27

the study of human sexuality with your

23:30

own work and your own art and everything.

23:31

I mean, in such a school, no pun intended,

23:34

untapped field, I mean, there

23:36

is a lot of room for new movement and new

23:38

ideas and stuff. There's barely anybody

23:41

focused and studying it. So

23:43

you come in and it's kind of the you know, it's the world's

23:45

your playground, right, Yeah, you can got

23:47

to say, no one's it now it's

23:49

up to new scholars to contest what you said.

23:52

But you've got no rules you

23:55

want.

23:55

I guess that's true. She also was

23:58

saying, she said in some interview that she was

24:00

like a lot of sex workers

24:02

don't care about the art world, but I

24:05

found it to be more

24:07

free, Like I was able to be more free with my

24:09

sexuality and with my with

24:12

my creative expression in

24:14

the art world than I was in the sex world. And

24:17

I thought that was interesting because

24:19

the art world can be very stuffy, the.

24:21

Art world can be very excluding.

24:23

Yeah, So that was a cool thing to

24:26

read from.

24:26

Her, because artists are kind of sometimes

24:28

artists I have found dabbling

24:31

in the art world ourselves a little bit.

24:34

I sort of feel like if you're not also

24:36

an artist, if you don't speak the language, if you don't understand,

24:39

you're less invited, yeah than us.

24:41

Yeah, But with sex, like

24:43

everybody is invited, Like you can't exclude

24:46

like literally everyone, almost everybody,

24:49

everybody, but you know, as

24:52

a as a general rule, most people

24:54

are involved in sex in some way in their lives,

24:56

if nothing else. It's what brought them here.

24:58

So it's hard to exclude very

25:00

true.

25:01

You know, anyone from that very.

25:03

True, and it's hard to I

25:05

mean, you can put a lot of academic

25:07

language on the human body and stuff like that,

25:09

but there's still a lot of room for

25:12

a lack of pretension because it is I

25:14

mean, we make funny faces that, we make funny

25:16

noises, you know what I mean. It's a joyous

25:18

expression a lot of time. So anyway,

25:21

it's hard to get too stuffy about it, right,

25:23

getting stuffed.

25:26

Don't get stuffy about getting stuffed.

25:29

Annie Sprinkleway. Well,

25:31

anyway, maybe it's no surprise to anyone

25:33

that when these two radical queer, sex

25:36

positive art making feminists met each

25:38

other, they like immediately fell

25:40

head over heels for one another, and they started

25:42

collaborating together, and in two

25:44

thousand and four they committed to seven years

25:46

of art projects about love called the

25:48

Love Art Laboratory, and

25:51

these projects always included a wedding.

25:54

Okay, Now, at the time, this was really pushing

25:56

some boundaries because marriage equality was a really

25:59

big issue. Kind of hard to remember how

26:01

crazy this was now and

26:03

we were there for it, you know what I mean. But there

26:06

was such a tug of war going on in the

26:08

US about whether or not same

26:10

sex marriage was okay. Basically

26:13

so over the seven years that these

26:15

ladies were doing these projects, many

26:18

states would legalize same sex marriage

26:20

in their own state and then have it overturned

26:23

by a constitutional amendment, kind of like with California's

26:25

Prop eight or Prop eight as

26:27

we called it. Between

26:30

especially twenty four and twenty fifteen,

26:32

people were getting the right to have domestic

26:35

or civil unions instead of marriage.

26:37

It was just like a different word, so

26:40

stupid, So they were getting permission

26:42

for that, while other states

26:44

were at the same time defining marriage

26:46

as being between a man and woman, no

26:49

one else can get married. Many places

26:51

were issuing marriage licenses so people would

26:53

get married, and then they would later invalidate the marriage

26:55

license, so now you're not married anymore. Just

26:58

a really chaotic situation going on for

27:00

many years until finally,

27:02

finally SCOTUS ruled same sex

27:05

marriage bands unconstitutional

27:07

in twenty fifteen. Boom,

27:09

Now we barely remember relish.

27:11

I know, well it's wild and you know, and it's not like

27:13

it's not coming up again because

27:15

people are still real sensitive about it for some reason.

27:17

And I'm sitting here after you know how

27:20

many years we've been doing this show and

27:22

thinking, y'all, can you can we just ignore

27:24

that. We got people out here trying to marry computer

27:26

programs and buildings

27:30

and shit and this, and you know, personally, I'm

27:32

like, there's nothing wrong with that, but at least can y'all just

27:34

get away from when two humans are marrying each

27:36

other? Just let it be.

27:37

It's fine, it's.

27:38

Fine, it's great. It's actually real nice,

27:40

right, it's a real nice thing that people

27:42

do, and to

27:45

be nice, you know, like, what the hell is your

27:47

problem?

27:47

It's a wonderful expression of I'd like to stand

27:49

by your side forever. Holy

27:52

shit, how beautiful, you know. But

27:55

people were like feeling somehow

27:57

like their marriage was lessened i

28:00

same sex marriage or something, even though

28:02

literally it was just so they could have legal protections

28:04

had nothing to do with anything sacred. It

28:07

had something to do with whether or not you could leave

28:09

somebody something when you died, or if they

28:11

could have custody of their kids together and stuff

28:13

like that. So it was kind of it

28:15

was just such a stupid temper tantrum that

28:18

lasted literally like eleven

28:20

years.

28:22

So Annie and Beth, their actual legal

28:25

domestic partnership, was in San Francisco.

28:27

This happened alongside thirty three other couples,

28:30

a spectrum of LGBTQ

28:32

and straight couples as well. Annie

28:35

wore a silver disco dress

28:38

and a feather trimmed duster, and

28:40

Beth wore a silver tuxedo.

28:43

And the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus

28:45

and the Transgender Choir the Believers

28:47

performed at this ceremony. This

28:50

is when they thought of this idea of wedding

28:52

as a performance art and

28:54

they started the Love Art Laboratory.

28:57

Yeah, Beth was saying, you know, it is a lot

28:59

like a play. I think we said the same when we had

29:01

our wedding, because it was very much you need a stage

29:03

manager our day of planner. You have

29:05

to think about the audience, you

29:07

have to think about there's

29:09

speeches to give monologues basically

29:12

to prepare. There's cues. I

29:14

mean, everything about it is very performance based.

29:16

Oh yeah, So they were like, hmm.

29:18

The only thing we missed was repelling down from helicopter

29:21

to the beginning of ours. There was a lot well,

29:23

there was a lot more performance. There was an idea for our wedding

29:25

at one point that we were going to record

29:27

a video message from ourselves from the

29:29

future and pop in and

29:33

say something and we were going to have to time it

29:35

out so that us at the altar would have to like

29:37

speak to them.

29:38

That's right. That's why we didn't do it.

29:39

Like an old talk show bit man, it would have

29:41

been great.

29:44

Yeah, when we knew the vows, it will have

29:46

more money and it's going to be amazing.

29:48

We'll be in front of four hundred thousand people and

29:50

it'll be it'll be the new greatest.

29:52

You'll have costume changes, there will be

29:54

helicopter.

29:55

So it's a wedding performance

29:58

art idea. And each year of

30:00

the Love Art Laboratory was assigned

30:02

a color based on a chakra and

30:04

a theme. Right, So everyone

30:07

is welcome to take their vows with these two

30:09

and apparently the ceremony would also always

30:12

include an objection to the wedding,

30:14

where a friend would get up and read

30:16

the top ten reasons why marriage should

30:19

be abolished about how

30:21

it's outdated and unequal, you know, just

30:23

to make sure that there is some perspective in

30:25

the space in the conversation, you know.

30:27

Right, Because they were like, you know, we're having fun

30:29

experimenting with the performance of a

30:32

wedding, the performance of love. Who gets

30:34

to get married in the country and stuff

30:36

like that. But of course lots of people find

30:38

marriage to be a very outdated

30:40

institution that does nothing for anybody.

30:43

So they were like, why not, It's

30:45

just inclusivity, you know, like your

30:47

perspective is part of this too, but

30:49

we're also going to do it.

30:50

But we're going.

30:52

Going to so we kind of felt, you know, it's like

30:55

there's a real silliness to the

30:57

idea of marriage, the institution of marriage and

30:59

the history we have marriage, and also like

31:01

we want to do that

31:04

our own way.

31:04

Yeah, it was. It was just there's

31:07

something nice about having a party where everybody

31:09

gets to come together and be excited that you found

31:11

each other.

31:11

Yeah.

31:12

That, and then there's something lovely

31:14

too, at least for us,

31:16

since we liked each other's families. I guess

31:18

I don't know about others, but there's something too about

31:20

that feeling of, oh, you're part of my family

31:23

now, so you need to meet everybody, or you're

31:25

all mixed together. I need to meet your family.

31:27

We're all one family, so it's

31:29

important for us to you know, share this

31:31

space, break bread together, you

31:34

know what I mean? Say the magic words the

31:36

incantation right that creates

31:38

a valve which which is real. I

31:40

think there is something magical about your promises.

31:43

Right, Yeah, yeah, I think so. And then the cool trip

31:45

afterwards, and then of course shout out

31:47

to the sologamists, who I think

31:49

deserve that party too, whether if you're going to you

31:52

know, just marry yourself or whatever.

31:53

Find your true love in your own

31:56

mirror if you need to so. According

31:58

to CNN, the first love

32:00

art laboratory wedding was in two

32:02

thousand and four. It was the Red Year,

32:05

featuring quote a series

32:07

of public cuddling performances

32:10

and hours long kissing sessions.

32:12

They hosted sidewalk sex clinics,

32:15

and they held their red wedding

32:17

at a former burlesque club. Just

32:20

a quick note, very different red wedding from the

32:22

game of their own's red wedding. Yeah, a lot of these terms

32:24

mean a lot of different things. Now,

32:28

No, back

32:31

to CNN quote. In the Orange Year,

32:33

they married their community and guests

32:36

came dressed as orange juicers

32:38

and carrots. All right, But it was

32:40

Annie and Beth's fourth Green

32:42

wedding when they came out to the world

32:45

as eco sexuals and they started incorporating

32:47

the environment more into not only

32:49

their artwork but into their love lives, and

32:52

we will tell you all about that right

32:54

after this quick break. Welcome

33:02

back, everybody.

33:03

So the Green Wedding to the Earth

33:06

took place in the woods, obviously where

33:08

else. It had more than one hundred

33:11

and fifty collaborators and four

33:13

hundred guests, and they were all

33:15

given bags of soil to breathe

33:18

from deeply during the ceremony.

33:20

Oh sorry, all I could picture somebody breathing deeply

33:22

and oh.

33:24

Absolutely everywhere I need a breathe

33:26

dirt.

33:27

I guess I'm still on my mister bean tip, but that's

33:30

what I see if my head.

33:32

During this, a soprano did an operatic

33:35

strip tease. Some guy

33:37

got drenched in green paint and wrapped

33:39

up in a sheet, and a girl

33:42

with a snake around her neck read poetry.

33:44

There was a floutist. Someone got spanked

33:47

with a bouquet of flowers, all

33:49

very exciting, sort of earthy kind of

33:51

stuff. You can watch a compilation of all

33:53

these eco weddings on their website, which

33:55

is Sprinkle Stevens dot UCSC

33:58

dot edu if you're interested,

34:00

and if you never thought you'd see an edu

34:03

website where you get to watch someone get spanked

34:07

flowers or whatever. Well, now you can.

34:09

It's quite quite interesting. You should

34:11

check it out.

34:12

And what would you call it safe for work?

34:14

Actually, yeah, yeah.

34:16

It's not pornographic at all. It's

34:18

really not like that.

34:19

I hope the guy got drenched in green paint. It was

34:21

like an ecologically sound

34:23

green paint, you know, you know a paint.

34:25

Great question, it's everytirement latex paint

34:27

right now.

34:28

Or who knows well? Who

34:30

knows, not us. That's not what we're here for, not

34:33

us information. Okay.

34:36

So Annie and Beth then dressed

34:38

all in green with big feathers and flowers,

34:40

and anyone else at the wedding who cared to would

34:43

repeat the vows to take

34:45

the Earth as their lover, and

34:47

they took the Eco sex pledge,

34:49

which is quote, I promise to

34:52

love, honor, and cherish you

34:54

Earth until death brings us

34:56

closer together forever, which

34:59

does make Earth kind of pretty

35:01

great partner. Do you know human's

35:04

gonna shove off eventually?

35:06

They they that's true. Eventually

35:09

the Earth will reclaim you.

35:12

I suppose all of us.

35:14

There's a whole Eco sex manifesto,

35:17

and this is just the pledge. At the end, the.

35:20

Earth will reclaim all of us except for me, who,

35:23

as you know, my plans, Diana

35:25

Postport is to be frozen

35:27

and shot into space so the aliens can

35:29

find me and either reanimate me or

35:32

you know, learn about humans and come here

35:35

and you know, do their thing. Whatever that

35:37

is. I assume it.

35:38

Whatever it is.

35:39

My assumptions of aliens is that they would do good.

35:42

Well, that's nice, that's nice. I

35:44

will have to ask our friends bleed.

35:45

Blop, you know, they

35:48

do need to make an appearance. But I'm

35:50

listening. I don't hear them coming now, So maybe next

35:52

episodion. We've been going

35:54

for a while. They clearly know that we don't have

35:56

time.

35:56

I know we don't have time for that, but right now,

35:59

So what is eco

36:02

sexuality?

36:03

Oh? Yes, the subject

36:06

of the episode.

36:06

We should finally get to that, because partly

36:11

for Annie and Beth, it's kind of a way

36:13

to make environmental activism a little more fun.

36:15

Okay.

36:16

They feel like it's usually pretty stuffy and

36:18

moralistic and very like you

36:21

know, oh, shame, shame, shame,

36:23

right whoa and fear

36:26

you know around it, and there should be a healthy

36:28

amount of fear around that sort of thing. But they

36:30

call it like al gore stuff, the alfect

36:34

or something.

36:34

Don't get me started. I honestly like an

36:36

Inconvenient Truth. There's the

36:38

lamest title for a movie that everyone should

36:40

be paying attention to. Like, by the time you finish

36:43

the word inconvenient, I'm asleep. I

36:45

don't care, and I don't need what. I don't

36:47

know what this movie's about. It

36:49

doesn't sound like it's for me. It doesn't sound interesting

36:52

or important or an truth.

36:55

Okay, right, take

36:58

up everybody. The Earth is dying right

37:00

e.

37:00

Xach was kind of a horrible death

37:02

knell that you're sounding with a very boring

37:05

bell. But anyway, so

37:08

they kind of were like, you know, this way we can bring a little

37:10

humor, a little absurdism into

37:12

the environmental move make it a little

37:14

more accessible and fun. But

37:17

mostly the idea is

37:19

about changing our mindset. They kind of feel

37:21

like, since we see Earth as a

37:23

mother, we maybe take it for

37:25

granted, like we might do with our own mother.

37:28

We expect it to take care of us and

37:30

need nothing in return, sort of

37:32

unconditional you know, I can

37:35

take my laundry to her and she'll clean

37:37

it, but I can forget her birthday and

37:39

she'll forgive me wow. Kind

37:41

of kind of relationship. But they say a lover

37:44

is a partner, and they require respect,

37:46

they require give and take, they require

37:48

love and care, and if you don't, they

37:50

will leave you. They won't just keep

37:52

loving you forever. So

37:54

Annie Sprinkle told teen Vogue that by

37:56

making Earth your lover, it's quote

37:58

putting the responsibility on you to

38:01

uphold your side of the relationship.

38:03

It's revolutionary. I kind

38:05

of like it, to be honest.

38:07

Yeah, no, I really like that. It makes me think that

38:09

maybe people should start treating their mothers a little

38:13

well, and maybe not you know, their lovers,

38:15

but certainly like a partner.

38:17

But yeah, I think more how you

38:20

treat them when you're When you're grown, you know,

38:22

you start to understand what it takes to be a mom,

38:24

whether you have kids or not. You're kind of like, wow,

38:26

it turns out that was really a

38:29

really crazy thing somebody did for me.

38:31

I do try to pop into my parents now and then

38:34

and say, ah, wow,

38:37

you know, you know, thanks, because you

38:39

don't recognize what they're doing when you're a kid,

38:41

not right, because of

38:43

course they are. Somebody's gonna

38:46

put food in front of you, and somebody's gonna you know,

38:48

make sure you get to school on time and become

38:50

a decent person hopefully hopefully, and

38:54

uh you know, and then you're grown up and you're like, we

38:56

who have no children, I'm like, how

38:58

the hell, oh my god, I have the time

39:01

and energy to devote to making

39:03

sure a person okay, becomes not

39:05

the worst person right now? I don't. I

39:07

do not have no the focus

39:10

for that, let alone anything else.

39:11

Or sometimes, like you know, my

39:15

cousin who's like eleven, will

39:17

ask me a question about something, I'm like,

39:19

how the hell could I answer this

39:23

without a making you

39:25

very cynical or or

39:28

I don't know, just well, kid, I

39:30

know I tell you something about life.

39:33

Well, I'm like, sometimes you just want the kid to vent,

39:35

right, You're like, ah, man, that sucks whatever. And then

39:37

other times you're like should I be giving advice? You'd be like, people,

39:39

don't think about it this way, think about it this way, or like

39:42

what about what about that bully

39:44

maybe is going on at home? And we want

39:46

to be compassionate, you know whatever. It's

39:48

just hard to figure out which way to go and

39:50

how to again just how to mold a person, I

39:52

guess. And then sometimes you're tired and you're

39:54

like, I don't care about your weird thing at school. You won't

39:56

care about this you're eleven, Like you're gonna forget

39:58

about this by the time you're in call. But at the time

40:01

when you're eleven feels huge. I remember

40:03

that being eleven and something

40:05

feeling like it's going to last forever and it's not going

40:07

to ever be any different than this, and I'm very scared

40:09

and I'm very afraid of how it's going to turn out.

40:11

Anyway, Well, parenting

40:14

is hard.

40:14

What take if your parents or your

40:16

mentors or whoever you

40:19

owe that to is out there and you're close to

40:21

them, you know, say hey, say what's

40:23

up?

40:23

Say hey, thanks a lot, yeah, you.

40:25

Know, yeah, minor listening, so I don't

40:27

have to, or at least my mom is she'll tell my dad.

40:29

She'll say, by the way Eli's things, Eli.

40:31

He cares, we'll

40:34

see them on linesday, We're going to a movie.

40:38

By the way Elisa's things anyway.

40:41

So basically, yes, they're like, you take your parents

40:43

for granted, but it's harder to take your lovers

40:45

for granted. We should see the earth more as a partner

40:48

in life, and that we need to cherish

40:50

and let them know how much we appreciate them

40:53

and all that stuff, or they're going to leave us high

40:55

and dry. And the eco Sexual

40:57

Manifesto includes conservation

41:00

principles like buying less

41:03

and then only buying local, organic

41:05

and sustainable products, as

41:07

well as working towards world peace

41:10

because, as the manifesto says, quote,

41:12

bombs hurt. Oh

41:14

and that's true, right, yeah, I scar the earth

41:17

as well as.

41:18

People right now. Ecosexuality

41:21

is a sexual identity, but

41:24

it doesn't have to be your main sexual identity.

41:26

And how far you take it if you are an

41:28

ecosexual is totally up to you.

41:31

Vice News spoke to Amanda

41:33

Morgan, who's an ecosexual and

41:35

she's faculty at the UNLV

41:38

School of Community Health Sciences.

41:40

She told WECE that it's it's

41:42

kind of like the Kinsey scale, right. Some ecosexuals

41:46

they keep it real simple. They're just

41:48

like, I just get a sustainable,

41:51

environmentally sound sex toys,

41:53

right, This was not this is not covered in blood,

41:55

diamonds and the skin of an

41:58

endangered creature.

41:59

I want to look made

42:04

sure, although I don't know what that does for the

42:06

bees actually probably not

42:08

not eco sexual approved bees

42:11

and a gorge.

42:12

But other people also keep

42:14

it kind of simple. They might enjoy skinny dipping

42:16

or naked sunbathings. They're just kind

42:18

of feeling the elements on them.

42:21

Now. On the other end of the scale, of course,

42:23

is the people we all think of when we hear the word

42:25

ecosexual.

42:26

Right.

42:27

She says that there's people who quote roll

42:30

around in the dirt having an orgasm

42:32

covered in potting soil. They are people

42:34

who fuck trees or masturbate under

42:36

a waterfall.

42:37

Oh right, they fuck

42:40

trees.

42:41

Yeah, we'll just leave that to your imaginations.

42:45

These people might also have sex with vegetables

42:48

like our friends. And for the last episode in Fuck

42:50

for Forest and I was going to ask you what

42:53

you think is the sexiest vegetable.

42:56

I don't find the vegetables

42:58

very sexual.

42:59

I don't mean, what vegetable are you sexually

43:01

attracted to? But like, you

43:03

know, if you were going to cast a vegetable in a leading

43:05

role in a movie, right, they're just

43:08

like, that's one sexy vegetable? Can

43:10

you do you have.

43:11

One's funny is that I think melons

43:14

and cucumbers, the zucchini

43:16

have been common, right, the ones

43:18

that you usually but thanks to emojis, it's now

43:21

peaches and eggplants.

43:22

Oh sure, so I don't know. Yeah,

43:25

boobs emoji? Is there peaches butts?

43:28

Right?

43:28

Peaches, melons, melons or

43:30

boobs?

43:30

Right? We don't. I don't think there's a two melons

43:33

emoji. There should be a bundle

43:35

of melons.

43:35

Wonder what the boob emoji is?

43:37

Well, regardless of emoji.

43:41

Maybe there's a blue footed booby emoji and they

43:43

just say show me your boob.

43:44

Oh, show me your boobies. Yeah, I

43:47

hope.

43:47

So I don't think we got that to the emoji makers.

43:50

Make a blue footed booby emoji, and I

43:52

promise it will get some use.

43:54

I will say there was a at the grocery store

43:56

the other day we got back from our trip, hadn't

43:58

cooked a home cooked meal in a while, really

44:00

wanted a salad. Yeah, And I

44:02

went and got a cucumber. And if

44:05

I may say, this particular batch

44:07

of cucumbers were not

44:09

only huge, but cooler.

44:13

Straight. No, no,

44:15

they were just the straightest cucumbers

44:18

I've ever seen.

44:19

So you could really do something with that.

44:20

I guess. So there was. I picked

44:22

one up and a part of me was like, what what

44:26

cucumbers make me think? Some kinds

44:28

of things I'm not comfortable with.

44:34

I don't appreciate the thoughts this cucumber

44:36

may have Kroger.

44:38

Anyway, the answer is pomegranate, which

44:41

is I guess, a fruit, not a vegetable.

44:43

Well, there you go. That's why I didn't say

44:46

it.

44:46

Well, it's a very uh that that goes back in

44:49

art history. The pomegranate was all

44:51

about fertility and sex.

44:52

Sure I lost seeds.

44:55

Yeah, I guess, so gross. Now I don't

44:57

like the pomegran onwards. All

45:02

right, Well, the manifesto does include

45:04

the quote we hold these

45:06

truths to be self evident that we

45:08

are all part of, not separate

45:10

from nature. Thus,

45:13

all sex is eco sex.

45:16

And I get that. I've I've kind of set myself

45:18

in the past like, well, you know, we talk

45:20

about what we do is unnatural, but we're

45:24

we're animals kind of everything we do is

45:26

natural in a way.

45:27

I guess. So, yeah, maybe this is

45:29

the human animal.

45:31

Yeah, I mean birds and beavers

45:33

tear apart plants to build their

45:36

homes and things. You know, it's not we do.

45:38

There are there are bugs that eat other

45:40

things from the inside out, sometimes

45:42

to live, so it can be a brutal

45:44

world out there in

45:46

the animal kingdom, hard past, and we are

45:48

part of the animal kingdom, and I think we forget

45:50

that a lot. So yeah, it's it's

45:53

a again. I like

45:55

a lot of the underlying principles of this. I don't

45:57

think I could fuck a zucchini or anything, but like

46:00

I'm not about to start like rubbing up on a tree.

46:02

But I do love trees. I enjoy looking at them,

46:05

as you know, we've we've we have stood

46:07

an admiration.

46:08

Of a tree in Atlanta.

46:10

We're surrounded by beautiful trees.

46:12

I like that all sex is eco sex. You might you

46:14

might, uh you've had eco

46:17

sex, then maybe you might be having eco

46:19

sex right now.

46:22

Reason Well,

46:26

after the green Wedding to the Earth, Annie

46:28

and Beth had even larger and more theatrical

46:31

weddings all over the world. They were always collaborating

46:33

with different artists, so these are, like

46:35

you know, often dozens to hundreds

46:38

of people working on these weddings. In

46:40

the Blue Year, they performed a wedding

46:42

to the Adriatic Sea at the Venice

46:45

Biennial, and then they married

46:47

the Sky in Oxford, UK.

46:49

In their Purple year, they had a nighttime

46:52

rave marriage to the Moon in l

46:54

a. Annie and Best both dressed

46:56

like aliens. I think a lot of people did sort

46:59

of like an outer speed alien thing, and

47:01

it looked really fun. I would go to that party.

47:03

They also did a daytime ceremony with the Appalachian

47:06

Mountains. In the White Year, they

47:08

married the Snow in Ottawa, Canada, right

47:10

after a huge snowstorm. Get line

47:13

listen, and it was in this beautiful like cathedral

47:15

like church, and so it was really pretty. In

47:18

the Golden Year, they married the Sun in San

47:20

Francisco, and it's like it looks

47:22

like they're at the top of a mountain and its sunset and it's

47:24

all very beautiful. Of course, everyone is

47:26

wearing the colors, you know,

47:29

of the theme and everything too, so

47:31

everybody's very on theme.

47:32

Can I say I would marry the Sun

47:34

at sunrise

47:36

because otherwise as soon as

47:38

you get married, it's gone, it's gone. Well,

47:40

San Francisco, probably sunset because they're in the

47:42

west, so you wouldn't really have a good sunrise,

47:44

but you'd have a great sunset.

47:46

That's probably so. But yeah, well, and then you can

47:48

go right into the wedding night.

47:50

Sure, but where's the groom he

47:52

disappears.

47:52

I mean he passed out because he got too drunk. It's

47:55

not the first time. Even

47:59

after there's seven year Love Art Lab

48:01

project ended, the weddings

48:03

continued. They had a punk,

48:06

rock, all black wedding to coal

48:09

in Spain, in Spain's Coal

48:11

Country, and they also had a dirty wedding

48:13

to the Soil in Austria, where like

48:16

literally everybody is like rolling around in

48:18

dirt, they're wearing brown, they

48:20

look like they're rocks through something. It's very crazy,

48:22

all right.

48:23

Well, in twenty thirteen, Beth Stevens went

48:25

back to her hometown in coal country

48:28

to make a documentary about mountaintop

48:30

removal in West Virginia. A

48:32

mountaintop removal or MTR

48:35

is also called mountaintop mining or MTM.

48:37

You might have heard it either ways. And it came

48:39

about because tunneling underground

48:41

to get to coal seams is dangerous

48:43

and expensive, and people figured, all right,

48:46

well, instead of going through the mountain, why

48:49

don't we just use explosives to take off

48:51

whatever is on top of the seam and expose

48:53

the coal. Right now, it is a lot safer,

48:56

but it also destroys, you know, a

48:58

huge amount of habitat for for

49:00

animals, for plants, as well

49:02

as obviously ruining the mountainous

49:05

skyline. Nobody wants a bunch

49:07

of flat mountains.

49:08

They're not mountains anymore, they're.

49:10

Buttes, right. Plus,

49:13

whatever they remove from the top of the

49:15

mountain often exposing four hundred

49:17

vertical feet, so we're

49:19

talking about like a lot of rock and toxic

49:21

byproduct ends up getting dumped

49:23

into neighboring valleys or hollers

49:26

if you know anything about most

49:29

hollers are very important cultural

49:32

systems right.

49:33

Right, well, and people live in them. You

49:35

know, it's not great to dump toxic

49:37

waste anywhere.

49:38

No, and there these are people who've had these homes

49:40

for you know, hundreds of years. Basically,

49:44

the documentary itself is called Goodbye

49:47

Gaully Mountain, where Beth shows the

49:49

struggle of a community who who love

49:51

their natural mountain environment, but also they

49:53

rely on mountaintop removal for the

49:55

local economy. It's kind of trapped between two

49:58

worlds there. Now. After a screen of

50:00

the film, Beth and Annie married

50:02

Golly Mountain, Beth explained

50:04

to one interviewer quote eco sexuality

50:07

inserts an erotic humor that plays

50:09

against the horrific subject matter so

50:11

far, the feedback that I've received at film previews

50:14

makes me realize that these are effective strategies

50:17

for creating space to briefly cut the

50:19

feeling of despair the MTR

50:21

evokes.

50:22

This is interesting to me because actually,

50:25

your mom just shared on Facebook

50:27

this morning an article from I Believe Forbes

50:30

about sol nostalgia, which

50:32

is the feeling of depression

50:35

and anxiety that comes from

50:38

knowing that your environment is in danger basically,

50:42

so it was like the kind of deep

50:44

grief that you can feel when a natural

50:46

landscape that you're used to is changing

50:49

dramatically around you. That kind of thing, which

50:52

is interesting that there's a word for it. But

50:54

also like the fact that they were

50:56

tapping into early on that

50:59

climate change and global warming,

51:01

you know, environmental disaster, impending

51:04

doom kind of stuff is really depressing.

51:07

It's very hard to look at it because it makes

51:09

you feel so hopeless and impotent.

51:11

If the world is ending, what are you supposed

51:13

to do? You know what I mean? So I

51:15

think they're kind of tapped into that a little early on,

51:18

and we're now just now kind of talking about

51:20

it a little more.

51:22

Reminds me of on Reddit

51:24

recently, I read someone talking about

51:27

the concept of sonder. It's

51:29

sort of the opposite of sollipsism, like where you're

51:31

very internally focused in your world is the center

51:33

of all things, and sounder is sort of like, oh,

51:35

there's storms happening

51:38

on Venus right now. You know, there's

51:40

a guy in Spain eating a sandwich

51:42

and live in his life. It's this recognition

51:45

that every random person and

51:47

even places where there are no people, are experiencing

51:50

time passing. Stuff is happening outside

51:52

of your perception of it. Yeah,

51:55

and I find it both kind

51:58

of overwhelming to think about that because

52:01

it's huge and it makes you feel very It

52:03

can make you feel very insignificant. But someone

52:05

also pointed out it can have the opposite

52:07

effect, where you feel there's so

52:09

much existing out there in the

52:11

universe, your existence

52:14

is very unique and special, so

52:16

it's kind of amazing feel

52:18

the same time.

52:19

You know who had a butt ton of sonder

52:22

is Kurt Vonnegut. Oh yeah,

52:24

if you read any of his books, he loves

52:26

to do that where he'll just have someone bump

52:28

into somebody and then he'll tell you who they bumped

52:30

into his whole life yea, Like he'll just kind

52:32

of be like and then eventually they you know, whatever happens

52:35

to them, and they're not important to the story,

52:37

but he just tells you everything about them. And

52:40

I remember reading one of his books and being

52:42

like, man, how many people have I bumped into? And I

52:44

haven't thought about what they did after that? Like

52:46

they cease to exist for me basically, and I

52:48

cease to exist for them. But we

52:50

both went on to continue to do shit, right,

52:53

Yeah, so that's really crazy.

52:54

Yeah, A butt ton of Sounder

52:56

by Kurt Vonnegut.

52:57

He would write, he would write it, and he would do this little ass

53:00

drawing right on top. Well, both

53:02

in Annie's weddings. These eco

53:05

sex weddings really struck a chord

53:07

with the art world and with a lot of people

53:09

because even after they stopped organizing the

53:11

weddings themselves, they kept getting married.

53:14

Right before the pandemic, a group called Future

53:16

Farmers organized

53:19

a wedding for them to marry the fog at

53:22

Uc Santa Cruz and then

53:24

I bet they used a lot of tool you know what I mean, like

53:26

something, oh, sure like that. And

53:28

then in twenty twenty one and artists married

53:31

them to the brine shrimp of

53:33

Great Salt Lake in Utah. All

53:36

told, they've apparently performed something like nineteen

53:38

weddings and nine countries. They've

53:40

also toured two person shows all over the

53:43

world, and then in twenty seventeen they

53:45

were part of a German art festival called

53:47

Documenta fourteen. This

53:49

is a really interesting arts festival.

53:51

I would love to attend one day in my life

53:53

because it happens every five years

53:56

and it lasts nine months. So

53:58

the selection process, I think you get

54:01

like like three years to

54:03

work on your projects and then you have a whole

54:05

nine months to work with with your project.

54:07

So people do various different performances

54:10

and installations. They can do some really large scale

54:12

stuff at Documenta and

54:14

Beth and Annie were no different. They did a bunch of shit

54:17

document To fourteen. They screened their newest

54:19

film, which is called Water Makes

54:21

Us Wet. Love

54:23

it All their titles are amazing. They

54:26

set up a bed in a museum lobby

54:28

where they would cuddle people between them for seven

54:30

minutes, which Annie called quote

54:32

an anti Trump Wall protest

54:35

of sorts. And they

54:37

also did an eco sex walking tour.

54:40

The idea of that is just being like you would walk

54:42

around and you'd have your attention called to

54:45

stamens, you know, and like, oh, yes,

54:47

erotic flower, you know, like just look at the

54:49

look at that flower, begging for your attention kind

54:51

of kind of thing, just to call your attention to.

54:53

The next flowers thirsty.

54:55

Oh that flower is for

54:57

you, baby. But Annie

55:00

and Beth are far from

55:02

the only ecosexuals out there. We've

55:04

talked about a couple already, but there's several

55:07

more and we will fill you in,

55:09

fill you up all right

55:12

right after this, welcome

55:19

back, all right.

55:21

According to The Guardian,

55:23

right before document, Annie

55:26

and Beth hosted their fourth and largest

55:29

ecosexual symposium, and this included

55:31

three hundred ecosexuals from all

55:33

over the world and performances that included

55:37

quote eco sexy Shakespeare

55:39

from Luke Dixon, the founder of Theaterre Nomad

55:41

in the UK, a demonstration

55:44

of grass Lingus by

55:47

Annie Sprinkle on the law of you see Santa

55:49

Cruz, and a very

55:51

eco sexy poem which

55:54

we'll of course read for you right now.

55:56

So let's go down to

55:58

poetry Corner and.

55:59

Read maybe one of the most

56:02

poetry corner poems,

56:05

Dirt, which was originally written

56:07

and performed by the musician Peaches.

56:11

Dirt.

56:12

Dirt Dirty, dirt,

56:15

dirt. Stay away from the dirt.

56:17

You'll get dirty. It's a mess.

56:20

Yes, Yes, we

56:22

want to get down and dirty. Hit

56:24

the dirt, dig in the dirt.

56:27

Dirt is a wonder. Dirt

56:29

is real, Dirt is precious.

56:32

Dirt gives us breath. Dirt

56:35

will sustain us. Dirt makes

56:37

life. Dirt is life.

56:40

We need to be dirty.

56:41

We neeed dirt, break

56:44

it down, earthworm, break

56:47

it down, break it down,

56:50

fungy, love me, humble,

56:52

humous, all hail bacteria,

56:56

the criteria, release

56:58

the nutrients, release, fertilize

57:01

us.

57:02

Treat us like dirt. Give

57:05

us dirt.

57:07

We want to be soiled, richly

57:10

soiled in sand, silt

57:12

and clay.

57:13

We will lay, We will lay.

57:16

Let's get dirt on our hands.

57:18

Cover us in dirt, make

57:20

us dirty.

57:22

Dirt is the shit. Dirt

57:24

is the shit.

57:28

All right, Peaches, that sounds

57:30

like a Peacha song.

57:33

I would listen to her do it, because you know she would

57:35

do so cootiou oh yeah,

57:38

oh yeah.

57:38

It's probably got insane backing tracks.

57:41

Oh my god, insane stuff. Also

57:43

eco sexy Shakespeare. I wish

57:45

I could find some text for that,

57:47

but right it's nowhere. So Luke

57:50

Dixon. If you're listening, I want

57:52

to transcri. Is it

57:54

like two bees or not? Two bees?

57:57

Oh? Two bees?

57:58

Or is it like? Shall I compare

58:01

thee to a summer's day? Thou

58:03

art more sexy?

58:07

I don't know, uh

58:11

I just every Shakespeare quote I ever

58:13

learned just vanished from

58:15

my mind. And I I've done

58:18

three Shakespeare plays in

58:20

my life. You sure have, yep, nothing.

58:24

The quality of booty

58:27

is not straight.

58:28

There we go.

58:29

It droppeth gentle rain

58:32

hot

58:35

like it is hot. It

58:38

droppeth like it is hot. In

58:41

Interview magazine, Annie Sprinkle

58:43

also mentions a Chinese artist

58:45

who made like ecosexual art. Their

58:48

name is Xiangbo and they

58:50

have an ongoing film series since

58:52

twenty sixteen called Terra

58:54

Doophilia, where he showcases

58:56

a sexual act with a terra do

58:59

fight or a dispersing plants

59:01

in a forest in Taiwan.

59:03

Okay.

59:04

ARTnews dot Com describes the videos

59:06

as showing quote close

59:08

up shots of men, some of them

59:10

BDSM performers stroking

59:13

their penises with ferns, rubbing

59:15

their nipples against spikey stern,

59:18

rubbing their nipples against spiky

59:20

stems, or ejaculating

59:23

onto tendrils that then drip

59:25

with semen. All right, I know. I

59:27

was like, this is not a movie I would spend a last

59:29

time watching, probably myself.

59:31

Well, I'm thinking about the one

59:34

brief time I tried gardening and

59:36

I pulled some some some of these little

59:38

clover looking plants out of the ground

59:40

and came back and my hand just turned red.

59:43

They were all it was like I was having some kind

59:45

of reaction. And then I was told by our friend

59:48

Sammy, who's you know, professional landscaper

59:50

gardener. She said, oh, no, one's

59:52

allergic to those. Oh. I was like,

59:54

well, I something happened here, so

59:57

it's just me. So maybe I'm hyper reactive to

59:59

every thing. And I don't want to rub my deck on any ferns.

1:00:03

I don't want you to rub your deck on any ferns either,

1:00:05

Babe.

1:00:05

Done well.

1:00:07

Zang isn't just making these for your

1:00:09

shits and giggles or anything. He feels

1:00:11

it. By showing queer men having

1:00:13

relations with ferns, which

1:00:15

are kind of common undervalued plants,

1:00:19

he is quote emphasizing structures

1:00:22

of marginalization across species

1:00:25

and proposes possibilities of intimacy

1:00:27

between them. So kind of you

1:00:29

know, ferns are lesser than our orchids,

1:00:32

but who says and why? And you

1:00:34

know, and so like who is lesser

1:00:36

person? And who says and why? Okay, And

1:00:38

this is kind of reminiscent of Annie's work. Annie

1:00:40

Sprinkle's work in the post porn movements,

1:00:43

where she's she was very concerned with stereotypes

1:00:46

in pornography, representation

1:00:48

and porn. That's why she was trying to make transgender

1:00:51

porn and stuff like that. She was kind

1:00:53

of and you know, which bodies are allowed

1:00:55

to be portrayed as sexual

1:00:57

bodies? Okay, So I'm sure she also was

1:00:59

thinking about plus size

1:01:01

women and plus size men and you know,

1:01:04

just what we consider to be

1:01:07

sexy and sexual and stuff like that.

1:01:09

Xeng has a less graphic, sixteen

1:01:12

minute dance video that came out in twenty

1:01:14

twenty one called Le Sacre de

1:01:16

prentopes, which means The Right

1:01:18

of Spring, where quote naked

1:01:21

men gyrate passionately against

1:01:23

trees in a verdant forest. They

1:01:25

writhe and moan in ecstasy. At

1:01:28

midpoint, the camera turns upside

1:01:30

down as the men dropped to the ground. What

1:01:32

was a frenzy dissipates into serenity.

1:01:34

As they lie still, their bodies

1:01:36

melting into the mossy floor. What

1:01:39

the artist calls an eco sexual

1:01:42

courtship. So a little

1:01:44

less, you know, ejaculating on plants

1:01:46

and more just kind of a becoming

1:01:48

one with the earth and a dance yet.

1:01:50

More of a dance film than a sex film, I.

1:01:52

Guess into it. Much

1:01:55

like Annie and Beth. Jang sees sexuality

1:01:58

as this sort of mundane fact of

1:02:00

life and nature, right, like it just happens,

1:02:02

He told Art News. Quote, sex

1:02:05

is everywhere in nature and interspecies.

1:02:07

Sex is not a human invention. He

1:02:09

pointed to things like orchids that evolved

1:02:11

to look like bees visually, and

1:02:14

that of course tempts bees and to coming

1:02:17

in and trying to hump a flower, and that

1:02:19

helps ponate them. Right. So a

1:02:21

Sierra Club even suggests that our old friend

1:02:23

Walt Whitman might have been an eco sexual.

1:02:26

They quoted this passage in song of Myself

1:02:28

quote, it is for my mouth

1:02:30

forever. I am in love with it. I

1:02:33

will go to the bank by the wood and become

1:02:35

undisguised and naked. I

1:02:37

am mad for it to be in contact with

1:02:39

me.

1:02:41

Actually, yeah, that does kind

1:02:43

of make him sound like an ecosexual.

1:02:45

I certainly would lean more towards

1:02:47

that he was a poet who

1:02:50

was good with metaphor, rather

1:02:52

than like him literally saying I want

1:02:54

to fuck this river, yeah, you know or

1:02:56

whatever.

1:02:58

Well, several of our subjects

1:03:00

have loved some naked sunbathing. Harry

1:03:03

Crosby, for example, who was married to

1:03:05

Caress Crosby, who invented the bra than

1:03:07

the modern bra, he loved

1:03:10

to sunbathe naked, and Ben Franklin

1:03:12

liked to liked an air bath. Sure,

1:03:15

so I don't know how much that is ecosexuality

1:03:17

and how much that was like Ben

1:03:21

Franklin literally thought there was some medicinal

1:03:23

property to it, or like people who sun

1:03:26

their assholes whatever that's called.

1:03:29

People do still doing that, I think, And whereas.

1:03:32

Me like, I want to dress like a Jawa

1:03:34

every time I go outside, cloak,

1:03:38

no sand or sun or little

1:03:42

gold eyes.

1:03:43

Golden goggles. I'll help you see

1:03:45

in.

1:03:45

A tub storm, I'm good.

1:03:48

More recently, Annie

1:03:51

was a consultant on the HBO series The Deuce.

1:03:53

That show. That's the show that shows the rise

1:03:55

of the sex industry in New York in the seventies

1:03:57

and eighties, what some people call The Golden

1:03:59

Age d of Porn. I didn't

1:04:02

either. It stars Jane James Franco and

1:04:04

Maggie Jillen Hall. I know, I was like,

1:04:08

but Maggie Jillen Hall is great. Annie apparently,

1:04:10

I guess, was giving her most of the consultation.

1:04:13

There was a lot about the mindset around sex,

1:04:15

sex work and stuff like that, and

1:04:18

so that's that's definitely very interesting, especially

1:04:20

if you're someone like me, who is who is a little bit

1:04:22

of a prude. When it comes to my own body, I don't

1:04:24

care about what anybody else is doing, but when it comes

1:04:26

to my own body, it's very particular.

1:04:29

People are allowed to touch and stuff

1:04:31

of steam naked or something like that. So

1:04:33

I think Maggie maybe has you

1:04:36

know, she was sort of like saying it was hard

1:04:38

to get into that mindset, and Annie gave

1:04:40

her for some real help with that or whatever. Beth

1:04:42

and Annie updated the Eco Sex Manifesto

1:04:45

to respond to COVID policies like social

1:04:47

distancing and masking, and

1:04:49

there's even like pictures of some eco sexuals

1:04:51

wearing masks that have like grass sprouting

1:04:53

from it, and so you know, they

1:04:55

kept the they kept the vibes going all right

1:04:58

during the pandemic. And

1:05:00

Annie is also in recovery from both lung

1:05:02

cancer and breast cancer, which

1:05:05

said at least in twenty nineteen or

1:05:07

twenty twenty when she gave this interview magazine

1:05:10

interview. She says, she's doing fine now, but

1:05:13

of course that you know, took them away

1:05:15

from art for a minute. They had more important things to do.

1:05:18

And she also thinks that maybe the breast

1:05:20

cancer may have been a result of some toxic

1:05:23

permanent ink that she used in the nineties.

1:05:26

She used to make these tit prints,

1:05:28

she called them, and they had like cubists or heart

1:05:30

shaped or like cone shaped boobs,

1:05:33

you know, different with like kind of it almost looks

1:05:35

like tin types or something

1:05:37

like that. But anyway, they're

1:05:40

fun, and she says, you

1:05:42

know a lot of artists, you know,

1:05:44

they get killed by their materials

1:05:46

because people use toxic pains, so they have films

1:05:48

or whatever. And she's like, that's just that's part of

1:05:50

the life.

1:05:51

Yeah.

1:05:52

But she's also trying to get her body of work archived,

1:05:54

including all her tit prints and all

1:05:56

her writing and all these amazing photos

1:05:59

that she's taken over the years, tons

1:06:01

of her educational material and stuff, like that,

1:06:04

so she's working to get that archived, hopefully

1:06:07

at Harvard. She mentioned

1:06:09

in the Interview magazine that their Schlessinger

1:06:11

Library has a sex worker archive.

1:06:13

Oh nice, which I think is really cool. So kind

1:06:15

of maintaining some of that history, right,

1:06:17

people who actually lived that history, instead

1:06:20

of from the perspective of people who are judging it

1:06:22

from one way or another. Right, So I think that's really

1:06:24

cool. Hopefully she does get her It seems like she

1:06:26

would deserve a place in the Schlessinger Library.

1:06:29

That's awesome, man, good

1:06:31

for good for them and still

1:06:33

at it, which I love too. They must be

1:06:35

what nineteen fifty four, so almost seventy

1:06:38

now, yeah, actually

1:06:40

she's sixty nine.

1:06:44

Do you

1:06:45

know? Nice?

1:06:49

That's cool? Wow, yeah, I think I

1:06:52

mean, what do I think? Well?

1:06:54

On one hand, I like the sentiment that we're all

1:06:56

eco sexuals, right because we're all having sex with natural

1:07:00

living things of the earth. That's

1:07:03

fine. I don't need

1:07:05

to roll around in the dirt as was previous

1:07:08

previously explained. I'm good with excluding

1:07:11

the elements for my life as much as possible. I'm a

1:07:13

very comfortable indoors. Well,

1:07:15

I love the outdoors. I love camping,

1:07:18

of going out things like that. But

1:07:20

but I don't like bugs.

1:07:25

So that's the main things. I just don't

1:07:27

like bugs. Keep

1:07:29

them off of me. So I do like

1:07:31

a lot of clothes because

1:07:34

they are to be in my defense.

1:07:37

Bugs love

1:07:39

me, they do.

1:07:41

And I've had a long history of

1:07:43

like other beings being really attracted

1:07:45

to me that I'm that I have to kind of fend off.

1:07:47

It's been sort of the story of my life.

1:07:50

Now, this is actually a good point that you've just brought

1:07:52

up. Oh yeah, because of all nineteen at the weddings

1:07:55

that we looked into, not a single

1:07:58

one of them was to bugs.

1:08:00

Hell no, why would you marry bugs? Bug?

1:08:02

They're part of the natural world. Well, you know, if

1:08:04

there weren't bugs, lots of things wouldn't eat,

1:08:07

lots of things would not pro create,

1:08:09

lots of things would not pollenate.

1:08:10

That's great, But you know what I want to do. I want

1:08:12

to hold a mass ceremony of divorce

1:08:15

against the bugs. I

1:08:18

want to kick them out. No

1:08:20

longer welcome. Here. Take here's

1:08:22

a box full of your stuff, Get out

1:08:24

and don't come back. Restraighting or to file.

1:08:26

Full of your stuff. Here's

1:08:29

the silk from your cobweb.

1:08:31

You bastard. I love spiders.

1:08:33

I know spiders are great and not bugs, so

1:08:35

technically don't eat bugs.

1:08:36

And that's why spiders are dope. And they're all welcome to

1:08:38

my house as long as they stay up in the corners and

1:08:41

inside the walls.

1:08:41

Supposed to go. But yeah,

1:08:43

I just think that's interesting. I wonder why,

1:08:46

why not if we could get them to marry

1:08:48

mosquitoes or something that is.

1:08:50

Less uh, because

1:08:52

they said they're trying.

1:08:53

Pretty and less nice about nature.

1:08:55

Because they said they're also trying to have fun, true

1:08:58

and silly, and that's no what he wants. Who

1:09:01

would come to that wedding, the mosquito

1:09:03

marriage, Like what are you going to walk out naked into a swamp,

1:09:06

like, cover yourself in honey and say, have

1:09:08

at it, mosquitos, let's

1:09:12

become one. No, I'm going to end up in the hospital.

1:09:14

Oh well, they can marry bees. Bees

1:09:17

are very important.

1:09:18

Bees are very important, and I think that

1:09:20

bees really like their space and

1:09:22

I don't want to I do not want to impose

1:09:24

on a bee's space. Okay for any stinging

1:09:27

insect.

1:09:29

To say about an animal that lives like really

1:09:31

packed in with other bees that's

1:09:33

why they're.

1:09:33

Like, we don't need any giant human bodies coming

1:09:36

near us.

1:09:36

True, you take it up a lot of space.

1:09:38

Huh.

1:09:40

Would I would go to any of these

1:09:42

weddings one hundred per I think they're

1:09:44

probably really easy to laugh at. I'm sure a lot

1:09:46

of people are laughing because it's very hippie

1:09:49

and very art this and that, and

1:09:51

you know it's it's it is easy

1:09:53

to laugh at, for sure. Would I like,

1:09:55

I really like the vibe of it and at ways,

1:09:58

and the I like the

1:10:00

foundation of it, which is we need to

1:10:02

find a different way to think about the world that

1:10:04

makes us respect it more. Yeah, and cherish

1:10:07

it more. Obviously calling it our mother is not

1:10:09

working, right, We are not taking care of it,

1:10:11

yep. So we need to think about different language

1:10:13

around it or different mindset around it.

1:10:16

That's that's huge, right, changing

1:10:18

mindset, that's everything.

1:10:20

And we talk in the last episode about Sexy

1:10:22

Gaya from Captain Planet.

1:10:24

Oh, we sure did.

1:10:25

Yeah, I'd take her as a lover.

1:10:27

There you go.

1:10:29

I was gonna say. We recently talked

1:10:31

about the perception of artistic

1:10:34

things like this as being pretentious and serious

1:10:37

and and I really like something like this that I think

1:10:39

they want you to laugh. Yeah, right, Like obviously

1:10:42

it's silly that I'm marrying

1:10:45

the sun, you know. Yeah,

1:10:47

there's like there's a realness to it, like there's

1:10:49

something that we want you to take from this. But

1:10:52

also like if you're taking it so serious

1:10:54

layers like this is art and but you know, then you're

1:10:56

doing it wrong. You're kind of the whole point is kind of be lighthearted

1:10:59

about it. Yeah, have a good time. So I imagine

1:11:01

there's a lot of silliness and laughing and like, look

1:11:03

we're doing isn't it Isn't it ridiculous

1:11:06

Because ridiculousness is

1:11:08

also joyful?

1:11:09

Yes, today, I really think that's so true.

1:11:12

Yeah, and I do.

1:11:13

I like that too, joy around loving the environment

1:11:15

instead of fear and moralistic

1:11:19

shaming of others. You know, it's more about like

1:11:21

we love it out, go out and touch grass.

1:11:24

It's the touch grass movement basically

1:11:26

of like stop being inside on your

1:11:29

screens, go out, look at this miraculous world

1:11:31

full of unpredictable surprises and

1:11:33

beauty and everything I

1:11:35

do. I do. I like that.

1:11:36

I do like that.

1:11:37

Yeah, me too, fucking a vegetable

1:11:40

too far from me, too far? But you

1:11:42

know what, I guess

1:11:44

I don't care as long as you're not

1:11:46

doing it in the grocery store in front of me.

1:11:49

And if you are, just make sure you buy that

1:11:51

one and don't put it back. I

1:11:54

do. I'm really conscious.

1:11:56

This is another layer that is

1:11:58

upsetting.

1:12:00

No one's fucking them in the grocery store. They are

1:12:03

purchasing them first. I've been

1:12:05

very conscious lately about uh,

1:12:08

trying not to touch any produce that I'm

1:12:10

not that I don't put my cart. You know, I really like sometimes

1:12:13

you really have to pick up an

1:12:15

avocado and like give it a little grope and

1:12:17

stuff, but it's you know, like bell

1:12:19

peppers. I really try to look at it. Which

1:12:21

ones looked rubbery. I don't want to pick everyone

1:12:24

up because you know, hey, everybody else

1:12:26

is doing that, and b let me just reduce

1:12:28

the number of hands that went

1:12:30

out of this.

1:12:30

I mean, but you wash the vegetables before

1:12:32

you cook them, right, No?

1:12:34

No, I put them in the cart bare naked.

1:12:37

I roll them down the conveyor belt at

1:12:39

the grocery store and then

1:12:41

I and I just well, I'll

1:12:43

rinse them off in a puddle in the parking

1:12:45

lot.

1:12:46

For a home and a stranger sneeze

1:12:49

on them.

1:12:50

I just assume that they have. I don't know. I can make more of

1:12:52

an effort for that if you want, Okay,

1:12:54

yeah, no problem, just to make sure, yeah, I

1:12:57

didn't assume. Yeah.

1:13:01

So that's the state of artists.

1:13:03

I will never eat another vegetable in.

1:13:09

Because I cook and I'm vegetarian.

1:13:11

We don't need a lot of me. I

1:13:13

am screwed. Thank you for tuning

1:13:15

into my final episode before I

1:13:18

become closer to the Earth forever. I

1:13:24

would love to hear what y'all think about eco sex.

1:13:26

Definitely, this is a different one for us. It's a you

1:13:29

know, usually our our weird

1:13:31

sexualities. They're they're pretty

1:13:33

honestly into the sex part, really

1:13:35

like having sex with the cars or marrying

1:13:38

the buildings and stuff like. They're very much feeling

1:13:40

a romantic connection. And I'm

1:13:42

not saying they're not, but I feel like it's more

1:13:44

of a more of

1:13:46

a political artist.

1:13:47

Ye. Message driven.

1:13:48

More message driven is a good way to put it. So,

1:13:52

but I don't know. I think they're very interesting women,

1:13:54

that's for sure.

1:13:55

I certainly would not be bored having a conversation with

1:13:57

them.

1:13:57

I don't think you would do it well. We would love to

1:14:00

hear what you think about ecosexuality,

1:14:02

about Annie Sprinkle? Have you

1:14:04

seen deep inside Annie Sprinkle? You

1:14:08

see you know? Do you know anything about Beth Stevens,

1:14:11

I mean, any any of this that struck a chord

1:14:13

with you. We would love to hear from you. As always,

1:14:16

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1:14:18

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1:14:19

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1:14:23

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1:14:25

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1:14:27

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1:14:29

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1:14:31

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1:14:34

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1:14:36

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1:14:37

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