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Hey everybody, Hello, friends,

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welcome back. I'm Diana and I'm

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Eli, and this is ridiculous

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romance the future. Episode

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alert read yesterday

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about a thruple of bald

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eagles yet two

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males and a female that are raising

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eggs together. They have been for years, so that's

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coming. Don't you worry, because I'm they're my

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new best friends. Wait, I

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haven't checked my lotto ticket. I'm gonna do it live.

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This will be the first podcast where I win

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the lot where someone wins the lottery live on

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air. Okay, live on

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air. Look, we're not live on air. By

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the spoiler alert, if you're hearing this, I

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didn't win because we would

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immediately stop recording and quit our job.

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Oh my god, No, we wouldn't know,

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but we wouldn't be rushing. That's true.

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I can tell you that. I hang on a

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second, here's a rerun and

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my tickets. Oh

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my god, Yeah,

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did you win? I mean did

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we? First of all, check

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yourself there. You almost set yourself

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with a problem. I know, sixty

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four. I got it. That's that's

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it. Just to sixty four. How

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much do you get for one number? You don't

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get anything one number. There's

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lots of number. Does anybody get one of them? Well,

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then I guess we're doing this, so let's

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get do it. Yet. Today

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comes a story of a couple who have regularly

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been called the modern day Bonnie

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and Clyde and countless media

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articles. But honestly, it's not

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really a great comparison. Firstly,

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I think because spoiler alert, they never

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murdered anyone's story.

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Yeah. No, This couple starts with Craig

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Pritchard, who was a former baseball

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star turned bank robber in the nineteen

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nineties whose heists were so well

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planned that he just could not be caught.

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But the most precious thing

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he ever stole was the heart

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of Nova Guthrie. She

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was so love struck by this charismatic

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criminal that she joined him,

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and together they raked in nearly

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a half million dollars

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in the late nineties. So

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stick them up, let me see those hands,

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and then let me see a clap them together for

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today's story. In Lawless love

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Birds, let's go Heyla

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friends. Come listen well, Elia

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and Diana got some stories to tell. There's

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no matchmaking, all romantic tips.

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It's just about ridiculous relationships.

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A lover them might be any type of person at

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all, and abstract cons ator a

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concrete wall. But if there's a story,

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were the Second Clans Ridiculous

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Romans? A production of iHeartRadio?

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The Heart of Nova Guthrie sounds like like

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an Oprah book Club novel,

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now a major motion picture, Frank, what's

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Reese Witherspoon's production company? No, But

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I was like, whoever made Where the Crawdads Sing?

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I feel like they also make the Heart of Not Well,

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we'll get to her. Craig Pritchart

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was born in nineteen sixty two. When he grew

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up in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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And this guy was tall, he was handsome,

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he was athletic, and in nineteen eighty

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three, after an amazing high school season

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of baseball, he was signed to Arizona

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State University. The guy

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had his whole life late out for him. He was told,

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like, you're the best, You're the best baseball player.

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You're really going places. You are a super

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star Craig Pritchart, and so

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he was sure that he was going on to make

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big bucks in the major leagues. He

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went ahead and got engaged to his high

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school sweetheart, the homecoming queen,

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and head cheerleader Lori Pulzado.

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So these guys just you're cliche,

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perfect, totally high school couple,

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handsome, jock, hot cheerleader.

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I can read the Sports Illustrated

4:03

profile in my head right now,

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so could he. He was ready for all

4:08

his questions pre answered. Yeah, I was practicing

4:10

his interviews in the mirror. So Craig is

4:12

totally on track for stardom. But during

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his first year at Arizona State, some

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new kids showed up and started

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hogging all the attention that had previously

4:23

been Craigs. And this kid's

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name was Barry

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Bonds. Oh man,

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yea, well,

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listen. Barry Bonds was, of course

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an incredible athlete. We all know that name for a reason.

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By the time he was in high school, he could basically

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take his pick of baseball, basketball,

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or football, and I'm sure Craig was

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like, Okay, go with basketball, bro

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leave the field for me. You could play anything.

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But Barry played baseball on the varsity

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team starting his sophomore year. By

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the time he was a senior in nineteen eighty two, he had

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been drafted to play for the Giants straight

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out of high school, which is crazy know that

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happened I don't follow sports well enough. But

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they could not come to an agreement on a contract.

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So Barry said, you know what y'all think

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about it, I'm going to college. So,

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having his pick of schools, he ended up

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at Arizona State, and it wasn't long

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before Craig Pritcher was just another nobody

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backing up the star player Barry

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Bonds. N Craig was

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a little proud. He could not handle losing

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out to Barry Bonds like this, and he felt like his

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future was being stolen from him.

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So he dropped out of school after only

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a year and ended up going back

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to Scottsdale, and there he married Lorie

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Polzado and they had three

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kids together over the next six years. Now,

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he could have transferred to another school,

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he could have played baseball somewhere else, but

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his wife Lorie told Max Alexander of

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Reader's Digest quote, he had

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no patience. It's not a great

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quality for an athlete.

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Quite a lot of baseball. Yeah, you

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gotta have patience just to watch baseball. Well,

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Craig worked odd jobs to keep his family afloat,

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but he still had these big ambitions.

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He spent most of his life thinking he was going

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to be a rich baseball player, and he was not

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ready to give up the rich part

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of those dreams. Well, I'll drop

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out of school being a baseball player, but damn it,

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I'm still gonna be rich. I damn it. I want

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all the fancy stuff. But baseball,

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you know, was what he had put all of his focus

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and energy into when he was young, so he was

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not really sure how to start over, so

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he fell into some get rich quick

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schemes. This led to gambling,

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which led to small time scams.

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None of that, obviously, was paying off for him.

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That was not getting him the big bucks he was looking for,

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so he decided to get his life together and

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really dedicate himself to a skill that

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could earn him a decent living. He

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was gonna be a bank robber.

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Oh look at me now, mount

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make it. Laurie, his

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wife, soon learned that not only was

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Craig breaking the law, but he had actually

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been doing it almost the whole time

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she knew him. She said, quote,

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I found out that in high school

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he was stealing tires off

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cars at fancy dealerships and

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then selling them at a swap meet the next

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day. Not only that, but

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Craig had been cheating on her, and not

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subtly like he was, as Max Alexander

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wrote, quote a controlling, manipulative

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person who craved danger. This

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guy got off on flaunting his infidelities

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to his wife. At one point he was even

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hanging out with another woman in a

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hot tub at their own apartment complex.

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Dang Lorie was working full time

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as a bank teller and raising their

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three kids, but Craig was out there

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stealing and cheating and living it

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up however he wanted. She even saw

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him cruising around town in a silver

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Porsche Carrera, which, of course they

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did not own a Porsche Carrera because

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they didn't have money. She's like, where did you get

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there? Interesting? This

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sounds like a real piece of shit. Yeah.

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Not not husband of the year, not husband

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of the year at all. How

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crazy to like be in a hot tub right

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there? Yeah he really wanted her to

8:12

Yeah, what a jerk. Yeah. Well,

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fortunately Laurie separated from

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Craig. She called the whole Man Disposal

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Services and got rid of

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him, and he ended out following

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the money to Las Vegas in nineteen

8:25

ninety and robbed two banks

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just outside the city. Now,

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if you're unfamiliar. Clark County

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and the city of Las Vegas take

8:34

their money pretty seriously, all

8:36

right, sort of a big deal there, the kind of

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pay pretty close attention to it. I'm saying,

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if there's anywhere I'm not gonna steal from,

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right Las Vegas. Now.

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Craig had fled to Hawaii after robbing

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the banks, but he was arrested there and picked

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out of a lineup by one of the bank tellers

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that he robbed. Well, he got shipped

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back to Arizona, and he was sentenced to five

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years in a jail there, and his wife

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Lorie, back home near Scottsdale with their three

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children, told New York Times in a phone interview,

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quote, it's so sad.

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Those kids are the only good thing he ever

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did. And they divorced that

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same year. It was nineteen

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ninety two by the time he started his five

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year prison sentence, and while

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in prison, you can imagine

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that he really had a lot of time to think about what

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he'd done, you know, about the choices that he'd

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made, and the future he was providing for his

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family at about his hopes, his dreams

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and ambitions, and how maybe if he'd put

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his talents and efforts into something

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besides bank robbing. He might actually

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find a happy, comfortable life after all. You

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can imagine that all you want, But

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that's, of course not actually what

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Craig did. Instead, as FBI

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agent Edward Hall told Unsolved Mysteries

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quote, he met other people that

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had robbed banks in jail and

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they exchanged thoughts, ideas,

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ways to perfect robbing a bank better

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next time. Oh damn, given

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each other some looke lessons. Burglary

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basics. Welcome to burglary basics.

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One oh one, some

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some heist hints. White color work yeah,

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white color. Crime workshop. The crime

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crime classes, Crime

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classes, Crime College, Crime College.

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Welcome to crime College. It's a crime community

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college. Okay, we're a community here.

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Amazing. This seems like a big problem

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with the jail system. It's

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like sending everyone to crime college, right where you

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learn from each other. We have I think we have

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come across that before, or we seen it

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in some some research or something where I'm like, man,

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it's almost like you send them to jail and they learn

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how to do it better. Instead

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of learning how to they like meet

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connections that help them like make

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do more crimes later. So how'd you

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get caught. Well, I did this wrong and you

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did that wrong. Well, then I know two things

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not to do wrong next time. Well,

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and also it's like a big conference. Sure,

10:59

it's basically everyone at the same hotel

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exchanging best practices. Oh,

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you're gonna make it de Larry's two thirty panel

11:08

on jewel thievery. Oh

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no, I'm going to be at the Art Heist workshop.

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Oh I want to. Let's exchange notes afterwards.

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Yeah,

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all right, So he's learning some burglary basics

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in prison. When Craig got

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out of jail in nineteen ninety seven, obviously

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he had nothing. His

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wife had left him, he had no job.

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Now he did have something, which was a prison

11:34

record, nothing useful, so

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he was kind of like, oh, what am I gonna do? So

11:39

to make up for the time he lost as a result

11:41

of robbing banks, he decided to

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rob banks

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really doubling down here. Oh man. Now.

11:49

One time, when visiting with his kids, he

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told his ex wife's new husband John

11:54

that robbery was his drug of

11:56

choice, saying, quote, there

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is no better high, and

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relating the feeling that he got before a heist

12:03

to the minutes before a big baseball

12:05

game. Oh okay, Okay, well, now

12:07

it was time for Craig to get another hit

12:10

of that sweet, sweet drug, because

12:12

on August thirteenth, nineteen ninety

12:14

seven, according to the East Valley Tribune,

12:17

Craig robbed Norwest

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Banks in Scottsdale of

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thirty two thousand dollars,

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which today is actually worth

12:27

let's see here because calculator almost

12:30

sixty thousand dollars, almost double

12:33

today. His ex wife, Laurie,

12:35

worked as a teller at a Norwest Bank

12:37

in the nearby town of Mesa,

12:40

and she totally she did not think it was

12:42

a coincidence that he chose Norwest to

12:44

rob. Oh wow, He's just another opportunity

12:47

for him to like flaunt, yeah, I guess

12:49

in front of her face, make her uncomfortable. Yeah,

12:51

very rude. Craig escaped with a diversion

12:54

of setting a car on fire and

12:56

then driving away in another getaway

12:58

car. Police close to catching

13:00

him. There was even a chase through a luxury

13:03

shopping mall, but in the end all

13:05

they found was his car strewn

13:08

with loose cash and a broken

13:10

tracking device. From

13:13

there, he fled to New Mexico and ended

13:15

up in a bar in the small city of Farmington.

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He's got this bar and he's chatting it up with a

13:20

local guy. He's talking baseball,

13:23

telling war stories. You know how he almost

13:25

played for the majors if Barry Bonds

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hadn't come in. Damn Barry Bonds, right,

13:29

And that's a cool story. I mean the guys probably like, whoa

13:31

Barry Bonds. Stow your thunder. That's wild. I

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know. Well Annie did play with Barry. Yeah. Right,

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So this guy thought he was pretty cool, and he introduced

13:38

him to his sister, a young woman

13:41

named Nova Guthrie. The

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two of them took one look and

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went full googly eye

13:47

at our woga wooga, oh yeah,

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yelling head over heels, horny for each other.

13:52

They were like, oh my god, you're so hot. She's

13:54

like, wow, you're un him. Those

13:58

are their voices. Pretty's kind

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of crazy. Well, he asked

14:02

her on a date and she probably

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asked like, well, what do you have in nine? And he

14:07

was like, Oh, let's go get a nice dinner

14:09

and then wreck the First National Bank

14:11

of Durango, Colorado. Oh okay.

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He was like I'm in yes, let's

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do this and we will hear all

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about their heisty hookup. Right

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after this break welcome

14:26

back to the show, Everybody. So. Nova Guthrie

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was born in Boone, Colorado, in

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nineteen seventy five, the youngest of eight

14:33

children. Her dad was a steel

14:36

worker, her mom a school teacher,

14:38

and they were strict Christian fundamentalists.

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They were not even allowed to have a TV in

14:43

the house. So Nova lacked

14:45

a lot of excitement in her life. But

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she was very clever and intelligent. She

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was in the National Honor Society, and

14:52

she got a pre med degree from Morningside

14:54

College in Iowa. And she was

14:57

pretty, but she was tough too. Her

14:59

college roommates said quote, she wasn't

15:01

afraid to get dirty, and she didn't let

15:03

anybody push her around. Friends

15:05

called her bold, stubborn, opinionated,

15:08

and courageous. And she

15:10

and her brother had been selling vacuum cleaners

15:12

in New Mexico when he introduced her to this handsome

15:15

ex baseball player who was twelve years

15:17

older than her. So when Craig

15:20

charmed her and promised her a life full of

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excitement, danger and luxury,

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Nova was ready to jump on board. I

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wonder too, Like you know, she's the youngest

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of eight children. She's probably

15:31

used to having a work for attention. I was thinking

15:34

the same thing. Surely there's

15:36

some element of like look at me. I

15:38

know that can happen with the youngest children. I was

15:41

third of four, and I really

15:44

need attention. Sis,

15:46

my little sister, the fourth of four, absolutely

15:49

does not want attention, and she's like, let me

15:52

because please don't bother me. You know

15:55

it's not true for everyone, but sometimes

15:57

interesting. Do you feel like you have middle old

16:00

vibes? I have middle younger child

16:02

vibes for sure. Yeah, which means I have both

16:05

issues. Oh fun. Oh

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that's so fun for you. Yeah, it's fun

16:10

for you. I'll bet it is so

16:12

fun for me. Also, whatever

16:16

that that's what makes me so exciting. Constant

16:19

demand for attention. Laugh

16:23

louder at that. I'm sorry, I

16:25

need it. I'm laughing as loud as

16:27

I can. This is every day.

16:30

That was hilarious, And you're like it was hilarious.

16:33

I'm like, well, can you give me some

16:35

Can I get a Pavlovian response?

16:37

Please? Something? How

16:39

about that that it's

16:41

better than nothing? See?

16:45

That's good. Where's that? When

16:47

I need it? I mean, you get it when you earn it.

16:49

Wow, that's fair.

16:51

It makes me better, That's right. Anyway

16:54

back to Nova and Craig. So it was Halloween

16:57

night in nineteen ninety seven when

16:59

Craig and Nova did their first

17:02

lovers crime together and

17:04

robbed the Bank of the Southwest in Durango,

17:06

Colorado, and they cleaned out the

17:08

vault of sixty thousand

17:10

dollars and fled the city. Jeez, and

17:13

I remember, like almost every number you hear

17:15

at this point is like nearly double

17:18

right what it was because the late nineties, you

17:20

know, money was free back then. Money

17:22

you could just take it. I

17:24

mean clearly not because they're going to get in trouble for

17:26

taking all this money. Craig had

17:28

learned a lot from all the bank robbers that

17:30

he met in his five years in prison, and

17:33

he had taken elements from all their systems to put

17:35

a plan together of his own. And

17:37

this is not your classic you know, walk

17:39

up to the window, slip him a note that says,

17:41

put on your money on the bag, lady, you

17:44

know, and then just walk out of the door kind of robbery.

17:46

No, no, no. Instead, Craig and Nova

17:48

would first go to small towns mostly

17:51

they avoided big cities. They would set themselves

17:53

up in a hotel or a short term rental,

17:56

and then they would go out in the town and wine

17:58

and dine at trendy local restaurants

18:00

and get to know the locals. They were super

18:03

charming. So they would go

18:05

out and they meet all these locals, and according to the Denver

18:07

Post, they would subtly learn from them

18:10

which banks would be the best ones to hit

18:12

and which day they should hit them

18:15

up on. So and if you asked

18:17

me to do the same thing, I'm like, Okay, I'll

18:19

i'll I'll go walk up to a rich person's

18:21

table and say, hey, hey pal, so,

18:24

uh, which bank do you use? And what days

18:26

do you deposit your money? I mean, how

18:28

do you find this information? They

18:30

were good. They must have been like I'm looking

18:32

for a new bank, you know what I mean, Like, what

18:34

do you do? You like your bank? What do you who do you use?

18:37

You know? Oh my god? But you know what I hate is

18:39

waiting in line at the bank. Do you know what it's?

18:41

When's it dead? That's my question? Why can't

18:43

I go in and there's nobody there? These

18:46

are pre mobile deposit days

18:48

right right? When? When when's

18:50

the security changed their shifts? Yeah?

18:53

I want it asked too much? Gone

18:56

too far. Don't be suspicious. Don't. Don't

18:59

be suspicious. Don't. So

19:02

after they learned which bank they needed to pick out,

19:05

they would spend a few days scouting

19:07

it out, you know, kind of walking by,

19:09

glancing at who's standing outside. Nova

19:12

might even go in and have a look around while

19:14

she was asking for a money order or something

19:16

innocuous like that. Denver Post

19:18

says they went to Bend, Oregon in December

19:21

of ninety eight, when tons of wealthy

19:23

people were on high end ski vacations,

19:26

and they befriended a local cocktail

19:28

waitress named Carrie Black. They

19:30

gave their names as Will Hicks and Alex

19:33

Stantini, saying they were in town

19:35

to party, and they rented a two

19:37

month condo and joined a Gold's

19:39

gym. That's what I do when I'm ready to party, join

19:42

the gym. Look, if you're the

19:44

hot athletic type, and when you

19:46

go on vacation, you continue

19:49

to exercise. I've learned this when

19:51

traveling with hot athletic types.

19:53

Who you traveling with, who's hot athletic? You

19:56

know? All right,

19:58

Well, I've heard it from

20:01

people. Well, this gym happened to

20:03

be directly across the street from

20:05

the Klamath First Federal

20:07

Bank, So Nova

20:10

and Craig would lift weights while they

20:12

watched people come and go from the bank,

20:14

and they learned the traffic patterns. Also

20:17

something you've got to be already an athletic

20:19

person to do. That's true. Because I'm standing there

20:21

and I'm like three pumps in, I'm like, okay,

20:24

right, I can't watch the bank anymore. You

20:28

can have like a five pounder, you know what I mean? Yeah,

20:31

right, everyone's going to be That guy's been here for six

20:33

hours. He's not even sweating, or

20:36

he's sweating, but all he's done

20:38

is like sit down and stand back up again a few

20:40

times. It's about the reps. Okay,

20:43

to weight, Yeah, I'm going

20:45

for stamina here. We all have different bests.

20:47

Okay, no

20:50

judgment right there on the wall

20:52

right there. Not at Golds. That's plenty of it.

20:55

Yeah, Golds, just like, please judge me.

20:58

A few days before they hit a bank,

21:00

they would go out and buy a police scanner

21:02

and a couple of walkie talkies and

21:05

they would either steal or buy cheap

21:07

cars to drive to the bank, and then

21:09

they had another car ready to swap too

21:12

for after the robbery. So they wouldn't show up

21:14

and leave in the same car. Gotcha now.

21:16

Nova would stay outside in the car

21:18

and act as a lookout while Craig went

21:20

inside. And I'll say that it's been referenced

21:23

that Craig was sometimes with another male

21:25

who was never identified, probably

21:27

not the same guy every time though, So he would he

21:30

would just hire someone to kind of come in and help. He

21:33

would wear gauze on his face or a mask

21:35

to hide his identity, and he was

21:37

very aggressive in his approach. Like

21:39

I said, no slipping notes. He would.

21:42

He would walk in, pull out his gun

21:44

right away and point it straight at the bank teller's

21:46

face. He would tell everyone to get down,

21:49

and then they go around and tie everyone

21:51

up at the wrists and ankles with

21:53

either duct tape or zip ties. Nova

21:57

would stay with him on the two way radio

21:59

and she would alert him if anyone approaching

22:01

the bank or any other signs of trouble while

22:04

she listened to the police scanner for the

22:06

code to eleven, which meant

22:08

robbery in progress. But

22:11

Craig he would bust in with

22:13

such force and terror that

22:15

the bank employees were usually too startled

22:17

to strip the alarm. Bank manager

22:19

Bill Olsen told reader's Digest

22:21

quote. I thought it was a joke at first.

22:24

He got my attention when he cocked the gun

22:26

and threatened to blow my head off. Every

22:29

other word was an obscenity. He

22:31

knew how to terrorize. Yeah,

22:34

Craig would order the tellers to pull

22:36

the shade on the drive up window. Then

22:38

he'd bring employees back to the vault and

22:40

make one of them stuffed deffelbacks full

22:43

of cash. Then he would tie that

22:45

employee up last before escaping

22:47

to the car, Nova keep

22:49

a bucket of water in the car. Craig

22:51

would dump all their loot to destroy

22:53

any tracking devices that had been hidden

22:55

inside. Then the two of them would

22:57

drive to a predesignated location and

23:00

swap cars. It was over in

23:02

minutes, fast, efficient,

23:05

and ruthless. After

23:07

the Klamath robbery in Bend, they

23:10

went back to their condo and counted

23:12

one hundred and twenty thousand

23:14

dollars in cash. Wow,

23:17

which again, for the record, is worth almost

23:19

twice that year. Yeah, like over two hundred thousand,

23:22

my goodness. Then Craig

23:24

would burn the mask that he wore, whatever

23:27

zip ties or duct tape he had left over,

23:29

even the jacket that he wore to the robbery,

23:32

got burned, and the next day he

23:34

would dispose of the walkie talkies and

23:36

the police scanner. Now before

23:38

they left town after the Bend robbery,

23:41

Reader's Digest says that they gifted

23:43

the title of their first car, the

23:46

Subaru, to the cocktail waitress

23:48

that they met, Carrie Black. Oh. They

23:50

were like, you were a real friendly kid. Here's a

23:52

car for you. He gave us some really

23:54

good information. Couldn't have done it without

23:56

yet, and it's just like, do I keep this

23:59

hoops. After that they left

24:01

town, including the Bend,

24:03

Oregon robbery, Craig and Nova

24:05

went on a spree, hitting banks all

24:08

across the west, from Oregon, Washington,

24:11

Colorado, New Mexico, and even

24:13

back in Arizona. Tom van

24:15

Meter, a robbery detective with the Scottsdale

24:17

Police, said, quote I consider

24:20

Craig one of the more intelligent bank

24:22

robbers, and Detective Don

24:24

Vogel said that what separated them from other

24:27

bank robbers was their planning. He

24:29

said, quote they were not impulsive,

24:31

They did their homework, They

24:34

did surveillance. Detective

24:37

Don Vogel straight from nineteen twenty.

24:39

Yeah, yeah, he's

24:41

been around. He's kind I've seen some

24:43

things I worked on Capome. No,

24:47

they really do seem to think of everything. Yeah,

24:49

I mean they got it all worked

24:51

out again. You got a whole system going. You

24:53

know. Somebody said, oh, I got caught because

24:55

I drove away in the same car I showed up with. You

24:58

know. Another guy's like, you know what, they always get

25:00

me. They put a little electronic tracking

25:02

device in the bag there. That's right. If

25:04

I just thought to soak it in some water.

25:07

And Craig's like, okay, taking notes, taking

25:09

notes? Yes, man, this crime conference

25:11

is great. I'm learning so much.

25:14

It's really about the community. They should

25:16

charge me. Oh wait, they do. They

25:18

did charge me right here with

25:22

crime now.

25:25

Craig was as adept at hiding

25:27

from the law as he was at breaking

25:29

it. He and Nova used

25:32

fake names and fake ideas. They

25:34

charmed locals. They never acted

25:36

suspiciously. In between

25:38

robberies, they took luxurious trips.

25:41

They would go skiing in the mountains or

25:43

fly to the tropics to go snorkel and surf.

25:46

They blew their money quickly. Craig

25:49

loved expensive clothes, fancy watches,

25:51

and top shelf booze, so they kept

25:54

kind of a permanent vacation, going Robin

25:56

Banks, spending cash, and a crazy

25:59

cycle of luxury and larceny.

26:03

I don't hate it, I

26:05

know, I mean, sounds pretty great. American

26:07

dream hostess crime doesn't pay it sound sounds

26:09

like it's paying really well. I mean,

26:12

isn't that. The problem is that, like we

26:14

tried saying that and then it turned out to be alive.

26:17

Now, by the late nineties, they had stolen

26:19

and estimated half million dollars,

26:23

and they had been featured multiple times

26:25

on America's Most Wanted, so

26:27

people were starting to recognize

26:29

them wrong kind of fame. Yeah,

26:33

and tips started flowing into the FBI,

26:35

and they came close to being caught a few times,

26:37

but they always stayed a few

26:40

steps ahead. Then, after

26:42

two years of criming, everything

26:45

changed. Nova really wanted

26:47

to visit her family back in Phoenix.

26:50

She and Craig had been fighting, and she insisted

26:53

that she'd be able to see them again, despite the risks,

26:56

Because, of course, again America's Most Wanted

26:58

Unsolved Mysteries, their faces were

27:00

out there. At the time. Nova

27:03

didn't realize though, that only Craig

27:06

was technically a wanted fugitive. The

27:08

FBI had no evidence licking

27:10

her to any crime. But

27:13

they decided that they were going to take the risk

27:15

and stop in and see her parents and siblings,

27:18

and of course they were thrilled to

27:20

see Nova, but they resented

27:22

Craig for what he'd gotten her into. So

27:25

her brother confronted Craig in

27:27

the driveway while Nova was inside, and he

27:29

told him, hey, buddy, you're gonna

27:31

get the hell out of here. You're done

27:34

with my sister. You know, I'm

27:36

gonna give you an hour head start or whatever. He

27:38

just told him to go. It's really

27:40

funny. Actually, in the Unsolved Mysteries episode,

27:42

I watched the reenactment,

27:44

they got this pretty boy playing the brother and

27:47

he says, he says, you're

27:49

gonna get out of here. You're gonna get in

27:51

your fancy little car and you're gonna

27:53

go. J I thought was such a good

27:55

like improv line, you get

27:58

me car, fancy little are fancy

28:01

little car. So Craig

28:04

left, so they knew

28:06

they were stealing all this stuff, but they didn't

28:08

turn them in. No, they were just like,

28:10

you know, I think they really

28:12

just wanted Nova back, and they were they're

28:14

very religious, so they're probably like, you

28:17

know, God's plan whatever he'll he'll he'll

28:19

get his right. But I think they

28:21

wanted Nova back, and maybe if they turned him

28:23

in a Nova could have gotten

28:25

caught if the police came right there, because

28:27

they would also know Nova was back, and

28:30

b Nova would probably resent them,

28:32

and they're like, we don't want to push her away when

28:34

she just got back. I guess I can

28:36

see that. Yeah, that's my speculation,

28:39

station. I don't really know exactly well. Nova

28:41

learned that Craig had split and she

28:43

was a little uncertain about what to

28:45

do next without him, and she

28:47

spoke with her sister, who convinced her to

28:49

at least talk with a religious

28:52

leader, the police

28:54

chaplain of the Colorado State Police,

28:56

William Faye, and he agreed

28:58

to speak with her confidential. He told

29:00

Unsolved Mysteries quote, I think

29:03

deep in her heart she wanted to

29:05

be forgiven, but she didn't know how

29:07

to go about it. Good chaplain voice,

29:10

Thank you, I thought so. I was like, I only want to get

29:12

some weight. Yeah

29:14

it now. Nova told him she

29:16

thought she was in trouble. He read scripture

29:18

to her and asked her, quote, what

29:21

do you think it is now that God

29:23

would want you to do? And

29:25

Nova said quote turn

29:28

myself in. Its yeah,

29:31

but it's not the right turn

29:35

myself in. That's probably more

29:37

like it. So Faye took her to

29:39

the police station and they agreed to speak

29:41

with the FBI. So was

29:44

this the end of the line for these criminal

29:46

cohorts? We will find out

29:49

right after this break

29:54

Welcome back Crime Conference

29:56

goers. Don't

30:00

miss don't miss

30:02

dinner tonight at the Commissary seven

30:05

pm. We'll be having a mystery

30:07

meat flavorless mashed

30:10

mush and dry

30:12

beans.

30:14

Stay out of jail kids, the food is

30:16

ter and

30:19

good luck at and a vegetarian option. I'll tell you

30:21

that for my twelve hours stint, your

30:25

hard time, hard time, Kenny

30:28

was hard, and they

30:30

were apologized to me. I wasn't supposed to be there

30:32

so much. I still

30:35

want to pay money. God, what a racket. Our

30:37

prison systems a racket. Anyway,

30:41

So Nova sat with the FBI for

30:43

a four hour interview and

30:45

she laid everything out.

30:48

She told them about all the robberies

30:50

and how they were committed, all

30:52

the details about everything, and they're probably

30:54

like, he did what, Oh my god, a

30:57

bucket of water. That's brilliant. Why didn't we

30:59

think of that? From now on,

31:01

we're putting all our tracking devices in little plastic

31:03

baggies. Well, FBI

31:06

agent Jane Munroe told Unsolved Mysteries

31:08

that they didn't arrest Nova at

31:10

that time because, quote, they hadn't

31:12

done any investigation to corroborate

31:14

her story, and they didn't have

31:16

enough probable cause to get an authorized

31:19

warrant. Plus they kind of hope

31:21

that she would just help them track down Craig.

31:23

So they were very much like, we're here to help where

31:26

you know, you're not going to get any trouble. Just give us the info

31:28

and we'll get this all sorted out. I

31:30

mean, he was bad news, but Nova seemed

31:32

to be just, you know, some young girl who got charmed

31:34

and swept up into this whole thing. Her

31:37

friend Dan Knos said that Nova

31:39

quote would have to picture herself

31:41

as a Robin Hood, not a Bonnie and Clyde.

31:44

She was always the underdog the fancy

31:46

resorts. That doesn't fit her at all. That's

31:48

a place to hide. Knowing her, she'd

31:51

be more likely to hide out under bridges

31:53

with the bums. So I wonder if

31:55

it was Novah's idea to give the car to that cocktail

31:57

waitress. Oh maybe so Yeah,

32:00

she's got a bit of charity in her. Yeah, let's

32:02

do some good with all this. But it

32:04

seems like the fancy resorts do

32:06

suit her pretty well. Yeah,

32:09

well maybe even it might have been all Craig's I

32:11

suppose, you know, plan to do that, and she's just

32:13

like, sure, I mean sounds good. You want to go to snorkeling

32:16

the tropics. I mean it. You know, I'm

32:18

not going to not have fun doing

32:21

that. Sure, sure, sure, But

32:24

maybe she was like, but I'm glad that we're supporting

32:26

all these workers, the local business,

32:28

the local business. We have to eat local

32:31

when we're there. Yeah. But

32:33

after her sudden and surprising cooperation

32:35

with the FBI, Nova made

32:37

another unexpected move. She

32:40

contacted Craig, met with him,

32:42

and together they disappeared again.

32:45

Oh. Psychologist Frank Fay

32:47

from Temple University said, quote, she

32:50

had second thoughts about going with Craig, stepped

32:52

back from the brink, then realized

32:55

it's boring back here. I'm going back to the brink.

33:00

I'm so true. Let me get back to the break. So true,

33:02

he said. The thrill of the lifestyle was just

33:05

too enticing. He

33:07

added, quote, my guess is that

33:09

after these robberies. It's into bed.

33:12

It's a thrill, it's exciting. You just want to

33:14

keep the thrill going. Yeah, Jay,

33:16

they would like, go do it afterwards. Yeah, it's like

33:18

sexual. Yeah, so full of energy.

33:21

Yeah sure, sure, Like God, you're so hot.

33:23

Yeah. When you ran in there and cocked

33:25

a gun and had purteller space, right, I

33:28

was like, Wow, what an underdog baby.

33:32

When you got in the radio and we're like I haven't heard

33:35

anyone say two eleven yet, Oh, I was

33:37

just like, man, that's the girl from me. Well,

33:40

after Nova disappeared, the FBI was

33:43

fully on this case. They poured

33:45

over her interview with all four hours

33:47

of footage, and they learned that they

33:50

almost always stayed at a Super eight

33:52

motel in between robberies, so

33:54

the detective sent their photo to

33:57

every Super eight in the country.

33:59

They sent swarms of FBI agents

34:02

to Craig's sons baseball games,

34:04

expecting maybe he'll show up for the championship

34:06

or something. But Craig never showed his

34:09

son's like I look

34:12

for him every time. Be

34:15

on the lookout for dad of the Year now, right,

34:18

But Barry Bonds comes to my if

34:22

only Laurie Polzato had married Barry Bonds.

34:24

Afterwards, He's probably thought the same thing.

34:27

Will that fall. Nineteen ninety nine, Craig

34:30

and Nova allegedly robbed a bank in Spokane,

34:32

Washington, before leaving the country.

34:35

Witnesses saw them at a hockey game

34:38

in Nova, Scotia, and Canada

34:40

before they vanished without being seen

34:42

again for years. Another

34:44

episode of Unsolved Mysteries came out about them,

34:46

as well as America's Most Wanted, but

34:49

Craig and Nova were long gone.

34:52

First, they went to Belize, and they

34:54

spent about eight months snorkeling

34:56

and fishing on the paradise island

34:59

of Amber Green, k And

35:01

I did look up pictures and I'm ready, when

35:03

you are right, go

35:05

rob a bank for this. I've considered it,

35:08

you know, It's like I want to go that

35:10

badly, but I could never pull it off. I

35:13

don't have the stamina. Clearly, I couldn't spend eight hours

35:15

at the gym watching a bank. Obviously

35:17

me neither. I would definitely like my

35:19

I would be like thinking other things and completely

35:22

like I'd

35:24

be like, oh, I forgot I was even looking at it the bank.

35:26

I've been watching the Wendy's the

35:30

sign Spinner out there is just so distracting

35:32

dreaming about those French prize. Well anyway,

35:34

their money was running thin, and Nova

35:37

would take work at local restaurants while

35:39

Craig played around in day trading,

35:41

which he had some talent for, and

35:43

they kept moving, going on to other countries

35:46

like England in Greece, but after

35:48

the September eleventh attacks in two thousand

35:50

and one, they knew that security

35:52

would be way too high to return to the United

35:54

States again, so they kept moving and

35:57

in two thousand and three they ended up in Cape

35:59

Town, South Africa, where Nova

36:02

got a job at a hot spot called the Bossanova

36:04

Club under the name Andy Brown.

36:07

Craig went by Dane, and he visited

36:09

the club frequently while he spent the day's

36:11

work in stocks online. But

36:13

their criminal days actually seemed

36:16

to be way behind them. They

36:18

blended in they had these

36:20

jobs. They drove a used Volkswagen

36:22

Beetle. Patrons and co workers

36:25

said that Andy and Dane were

36:27

pleasant, lovely people who worked

36:29

with professional diligence and helped out around

36:31

town. But then a

36:34

South African tourist was in the US

36:36

and she saw a wanted notice and

36:39

on it was a picture of

36:41

Andy the manager at

36:43

the Bossanova Club. So

36:46

she contacted the FBI and she said,

36:51

and why it's all the South Africans

36:53

just braced themselves for this accent that's

36:56

coming. I shouldn't should I it's

36:58

the hardest accent to day, really hard. Leo

37:01

in that Blood Diamond movie. I'm like, even I

37:03

don't even think he pulled it off. No, a

37:05

lot of people didn't think that I'm

37:08

channeling my Diante word.

37:11

Oh yeah, um God, can't channel

37:13

them anymore. They sucks to love

37:15

die word. But that guy sucks, all

37:17

right. So this So the South African

37:20

woman contacted the FBI and she was

37:22

like, she

37:24

was like, she was like, hey,

37:27

I know that lady. Oh

37:31

lady, Hey,

37:33

I know that lady. She's

37:36

in District nine.

37:41

I love District nine. That's great movie.

37:43

It's such a good movie movie. An FBI

37:45

agent, Mike Sandborn, thought that this

37:47

was a long shot. I have some club, some club

37:50

manager in South Africa, like a likely

37:52

story. But he contacted a connection

37:55

that he had in South Africa to ask

37:57

what Cape Town was like, and he got

38:00

a one sentence response, quote,

38:03

Cape Town is a fugitive

38:05

haven. Oh

38:07

so, tourist

38:10

posters maybe I'll take a closer lug. Yeah,

38:13

cape down the Home of Crime

38:16

conference twenty three.

38:20

Well, Agent Sandborn went to the Boston

38:22

Nova Club's website and just started

38:25

pouring through pictures from their

38:27

parties, hundreds of photos, and

38:29

he said, quote, I got to about

38:31

picture three hundred, and there

38:34

she was, plain as day.

38:36

Damn. Now, South

38:38

Africa has an extradition treaty with the US,

38:41

so local police helped the FBI stake

38:43

out the club. They were pretty

38:45

sure that Andy, this American girl

38:47

with tattoos that matched Nova's,

38:50

was the girl they were looking for. But it

38:52

wasn't until Craig walked in and kissed

38:55

her that they knew for sure it

38:57

was them. Oh kiss of death. Kiss

38:59

of death, right the Judas kiss,

39:02

except it also got him arrested. Didn't

39:05

even know he was doing it. Now. Four nights later,

39:07

in their cheap ocean side apartment, police

39:10

arrested them without incident. There

39:13

was a pile of fake passports in the apartment,

39:16

but no weapons are cash and agents

39:18

said quote. They were living near the poverty

39:20

level, and the owner of the club, Karapidis,

39:24

had lent them money a few times, and he

39:26

was shocked when he learned the truth about them.

39:28

He said Nova had access to all the

39:30

club's bank codes and accounts and

39:33

said, quote, they could have taken close

39:35

to a half million dollars. It

39:37

seems obvious to me that they came here

39:39

to change. Yeah, I mean

39:41

it really does seem like that she was running their books.

39:44

I guess so. I mean, would you would

39:46

you steal from the the place

39:48

you worked? Well, here's the thing, I mean,

39:51

I guess not until you were ready to move on.

39:53

Well, that's like, yeah, that's part of it. I mean, first of all,

39:56

it's not like, oh, well, you're absolved of

39:58

your crimes because you stopped doing them, obviously,

40:01

But it does seem like they didn't want to do it anymore.

40:03

I mean, they'd been there for years. They

40:05

led a pretty low key lifestyle.

40:07

I think that they were just looking

40:10

for a place to live on the beach and snorkel

40:12

and kind of realized.

40:15

I think they sort of found what they wanted. They got

40:17

enough of that thrill, yeah, and they were

40:19

like, all right, well what were we getting

40:22

out of it? Once the adrenaline wore off?

40:24

You know, we were chilling beach

40:27

bums. They were just you know,

40:30

beach bums. Was hundreds of thousands of dollars,

40:32

and now they were like, well, let's let's try it with

40:34

just some easy jobs. Straight.

40:38

Yeah. I think they took some pride in their work and made

40:40

a lot of friends do again. The community loved

40:42

them right, so I could see them being like,

40:44

let's just stay here, let's quit running,

40:47

you know. Craig said that too, He said, you

40:49

know, we were we were done, We were relaxed,

40:52

we were trying to blend in. We were tired of

40:54

running, and we kind of stopped looking over our shoulders,

40:56

which is why I think Nova's picture

40:58

ended up online and that kiss

41:01

they shared was likely their last.

41:03

After extradition, Nova

41:06

got sent to Denver for arrangements and

41:08

Craig went to Phoenix, and in

41:10

May of two thousand and three, Nova

41:12

Guthrie pleaded guilty to three

41:14

counts of robbery and agreed to testify

41:16

against Craig Pritchard. As part of her plea deal,

41:19

she faced up to twenty years in

41:21

prison, but she was sentenced in September

41:23

of that year to ten years plus

41:26

two hundred and thirty one thousand dollars in restitution.

41:30

Craig was a suspect in about

41:32

twelve bank robberies in total, but

41:34

under his plea deal, he was charged

41:36

and pled guilty to only three.

41:39

He faced up to eighty years in

41:41

prison, but he was sentenced to twenty

41:43

two years, with over two hundred

41:45

thousand dollars in restitution and a

41:48

million dollars in fines. Oh

41:50

yeah yeah. His court appointed

41:52

lawyer, Patricia Getri, said her office

41:55

was flooded with calls from national

41:57

news outlets, TV shows, date

41:59

Line, Access, Hollywood, and more, including

42:02

Hollywood producers seeking movie rights,

42:05

but she said she was not willing to be

42:07

his entertainment agents, and

42:09

she also believed that if it weren't for the romantic

42:11

connection between him and Nova,

42:14

nobody would have even noticed this story.

42:16

It would have just been some two bit bank

42:18

robbers. We sure wouldn't be telling it. That's true.

42:21

Oh. When asked what Craig thought of the media

42:23

attention, according to the East Valley Tribune,

42:26

Getra replied, quote, she didn't

42:28

care what he thought. She

42:31

does not seem fond if this guy is her client.

42:34

Listen, the guy stole.

42:36

I'm just trying to do my job and get

42:39

him off my client list. I'm a court appointed

42:41

lawyer. I ain't trying to take up. I

42:43

love that too, that she's like. I could see

42:45

her screaming in the phone, like, listen, he's

42:47

just a bank robber. If it weren't for his girlfriend,

42:50

if they weren't attractive, if they weren't all

42:52

these things, you would not care. So

42:54

get off my case. I'm

42:57

trying to get off this case. I'm trying to get off

42:59

this case. Are you get up by the

43:01

Tribune also says that if Craig does see

43:04

any financial gains from the media attention,

43:06

like selling his rights to a movie, quote,

43:09

the courts are likely to mandate the money

43:11

be used for restitution. Right their

43:13

friends. A nightclub owner, Carapetas, said

43:16

that they should be considered for parole

43:18

because quote, they're not the same people

43:20

they were, and they never hurt anybody but

43:24

Max. Alexander of Reader's Digest cites

43:26

Craig's first wife, Lori Pulzato,

43:28

who used to be a bank teller but

43:30

quit herself after being robbed at

43:32

gunpoint in a totally separate incident.

43:35

She said, quote, the mental durest

43:37

during robbery is extreme. What

43:40

flashes through your mind is your kids,

43:42

and you're just praying, please don't kill

43:44

me. And she says their kids

43:46

together are victims as well. They

43:48

were stigmatized in school and in

43:51

sports because of their biological

43:53

fathers infamy. You know, So

43:56

it wasn't you know, it wasn't long before kids realized

43:58

who they were, right, and now they're getting

44:00

teased and her ass and probably judged, I imagine

44:03

unfairly. So she's

44:05

feeling like they did hurt people even though they did not.

44:08

Yeah, and I really see that too. And that's the hard part of

44:10

being like, Hey, this lifestyle ain't

44:12

so bad. Nobody gets hurt. They got all this money,

44:15

they're vacationing, they're snorkeling, they're going

44:17

with skiing. But people

44:19

do get hurt. I mean, this is a terrifying, traumatizing

44:22

experience. You're in a

44:25

criminal situation where you don't know if your

44:27

life is in danger. That that doesn't go away.

44:30

Yeah, And I guess at

44:32

least with Laurie, her career ended, right,

44:35

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So it's like he

44:37

was the Barry Bonds for a teller, coming

44:40

in, ruining their future, messing

44:43

up their career. Oh,

44:45

Craig, you've become the thing you hate him becomes

44:49

for bank tellers across the

44:51

West. Kapetus also

44:53

says that he spoke to Craig in prison,

44:55

who told him that he feels responsible for

44:57

what he did to Nova. That quote,

45:00

he feels he's the one who got her into

45:02

trouble. But Alexander

45:04

reports that Nova's own family does

45:06

not hold that same sympathy for her. Her

45:09

mom said, quote, had she served

45:11

the Lord and not straight from

45:13

what she knew, this would not have happened.

45:16

And her brother, who introduced Nova to Craig,

45:19

said, quote, we all follow a path, don't

45:21

we. He had a life to lead, and she

45:23

had a choice to follow. And

45:25

I mean, I kind of agree with that she should

45:27

have gotten in her fancy little cart.

45:31

I mean, I do agree with that we do

45:34

make choices, but I also

45:36

would also attribute possibly

45:39

I don't know them. Her mother is supposed to

45:41

be a lovely person who like cares for the elderly

45:43

in town and stuff like that, but also

45:45

like you know, they had very strict

45:48

rules and upbringing, and like you

45:50

know, it's one out of eight is

45:53

statistically going to act out. No, statistically

45:57

just saying people make their own choices

45:59

and they the law, but we also need to look

46:01

at, you know, where they came from. And what kind

46:03

of environment they were in and that kind

46:06

of thing too. I'm not saying there's fault there, but

46:08

maybe look inward too, and don't just brush it

46:10

off as like, well, that's your problem child

46:12

I raised. No, I get

46:14

that. I just I do hate it as

46:17

an excuse for not taking accountability

46:19

like you have. You know, Nova had a lot of

46:21

agency in this story to make her decisions,

46:24

is absolutely so. It's it's kind of

46:26

like, partly you want to be like I do

46:29

think that there's some extenuating circumstances

46:31

and this guy's very charming, and you can

46:33

get caught up and all that stuff, but

46:35

you have to still own the fact that, Like, but

46:38

I am a unique individual and I

46:40

can make my own choices, and I had my own

46:42

I had a time where I got to say yes or no, right

46:45

and I made my decision, and know what I mean, aware

46:47

of the consequences, who could be hurt

46:49

and all this stuff and whatever you did to justify

46:51

it to yourself. I think it's clear that

46:54

Nova's choices aren't Craig's

46:57

responsibility, right,

46:59

but maybe her family could

47:02

be a little more sympathetic since I think they're

47:04

partly their responsibility a little bit,

47:07

or at least they're involved in those choices.

47:09

Yeah. Well, Nova has

47:11

served her time, she has since been released,

47:14

and from what we could find, she appears

47:16

to be teaching yoga

47:19

at an upscale resort in Costa

47:21

Rica. Well, okay,

47:23

I find this website and her Nova

47:26

Guthrie, teach us here and I'm looking at this

47:28

picture. They've got her head shot and her old

47:30

pictures and I'm like, yeah,

47:32

that's her. But they

47:34

surprisingly don't mention in her

47:37

bio on the website her criminal

47:39

past. It doesn't come up. And

47:41

personally I say that we I'll

47:43

just leave Nova alone and let her get

47:45

on with her life. Yeah, but Craig

47:48

is due out of prison in twenty twenty

47:50

five, and he'll have three

47:53

years of monitored parole after that.

47:55

Now, whether they meet up again, that's anyone's

47:58

guests. But Karapede said

48:01

both of them immediately asked

48:03

about the other when he visited them in jail.

48:06

He had found an email that Craig

48:08

wrote to Nova only a few hours

48:10

before their arrest, where Craig

48:12

said, quote, thank

48:15

you princess for always taking care of

48:17

me. I don't know what I'd do without

48:19

you. La Times

48:21

writes that when asked back in

48:23

two thousand and three before they went to jail if

48:26

they would have any future contact, Craig

48:28

said, in his interview quote, that would

48:30

be up to Nova. I hope so, And

48:33

in her interview, Nova told them quote,

48:36

it's just a matter of time. Okay.

48:40

So they're still in

48:42

love and wanting to be together they

48:45

thought they would be in two thousand and three. Yeah,

48:48

it's hard to say. I mean, what twenty

48:50

two years later, will

48:52

they meant back up again? Has Nova moved

48:54

on and reconsidered like what Craig

48:57

put her through and the life he brought her into

48:59

and the choices he made, or

49:01

is she like, you know what, forget all about we'd

49:03

found a life together outside of crime,

49:06

right, and we transcended it and we

49:08

still belong together. Who knows? I want

49:10

to know part

49:13

of me. It's tough with this. This is one of those stories where

49:15

I'm like, man, this Craig sucks.

49:17

He was so awful to his first wife.

49:20

Yeah, and obviously like

49:22

terrorized quite a few people who

49:24

have lasting trauma, and

49:27

he definitely deserved to go to jail and get find

49:29

a ton of money. But dang it, if

49:31

the love lover and me doesn't just want

49:33

those kids to get back together and live happily of her

49:36

hose crazy kids, they

49:38

learned their lesson. I

49:40

mean, you hope, you hope, you hope I

49:42

and I do believe that. You know, for

49:46

all the many near infinite

49:48

problems that we have in our court

49:51

and prison system, I

49:53

do generally think that if someone gets sentenced

49:55

and they serve that sentence, and then they

49:57

can keep their ship together when they get

49:59

out, you know, all right, go

50:02

on life. I don't have to be your friend,

50:05

no, but you know, I'm not going to go protest

50:08

outside your house and throw mud at your windows or

50:10

anything like that either, right, especially for non

50:12

violent crimes or something like

50:14

this. Or again, I mean, as we

50:16

say, there's some violent elements, yeah,

50:19

because people are getting traumatized

50:21

from the gun in their face and screaming

50:24

at them and all that. But he actually

50:26

never like did physical damage

50:28

or took a life or anything. So yeah, I

50:30

would be like, well, you

50:33

did your time. You know, you paid your debt

50:35

to society.

50:37

I guess you're good now, right, And the

50:39

other side of it too, of course, that is

50:41

just a problem I can't solve. Is that

50:44

what level of retribution.

50:47

Can we do upon this person that

50:50

brings peace back to their victims?

50:53

You know? And I don't think there is a level.

50:55

I don't know. I don't like it.

50:58

I don't like having to worry about it. That's why I

51:00

elect other people to deal with those problems.

51:04

Well. And it's probably like if you were

51:06

one of those tellers, right, and

51:08

someone asked you, well, what do you want? Yeah,

51:11

I mean likely your answer is going to be I don't want them to

51:13

do it anymore. I just don't want anyone else to

51:15

go through what I went through. I think you know what I mean. Yeah,

51:17

that's the rise above it all the emotion answer.

51:20

Sure, sure, I mean you know, of course some

51:22

people are like I wish I could kick them off in

51:24

the nuts or something. That's

51:26

what they should let you do. Just let you kick him

51:28

in the nut the nuts. Do you feel better? I do? Actually,

51:31

traumada,

51:35

I faced my traumatizer. I

51:38

punished him in some

51:40

way. No, but I just,

51:42

uh so, I feel like if if they

51:44

really are seriously like we're done with crime,

51:47

we were trying to lead a normal straight

51:49

life in South Africa, and

51:51

we would be yoga

51:53

instructors and day traders

51:55

in Costa Rica or whatever. Um,

51:58

I mean that's kind of the best you can hope for, right

52:00

right, And then of course the upcoming book

52:03

The Heart of Novah Guthrie, The Heart of

52:05

Nova Guthrie, which Rhese Witherspoon

52:07

is adapting. Well, stay

52:10

tuned for I think we're up

52:12

to an eighteen picture deal with HBO

52:14

right now, I think so, right, several seasons

52:16

television, so this will definitely be one of

52:18

them. I kind of want to put together a

52:20

crime con. Oh man,

52:23

we got to call our friends over a ridiculous crime.

52:25

Now, yes, they should definitely be a part

52:27

and this could be a really cool sting

52:30

operation and would then make

52:32

its own great movie because it's us coming over

52:34

with a crime con. All the criminals come

52:36

my best practices ed arrected.

52:39

So you're a narc. I'm a nice what

52:41

is? But only for like bad

52:43

criminals? Only

52:45

the bad one, only the bad ones? All

52:48

right? Well, if you've ever done anything

52:50

wrong, don't trust Diana. Don't

52:52

trust me. I'm

52:55

over here. Like why didn't her parents turn her

52:57

in? Damn? Yeah?

53:00

Wow, you really are? But I do think I

53:02

do you not get in trouble for that? Like if someone

53:04

if you know someone's committing crimes, like,

53:07

yeah, the only thing she

53:10

wasn't wanted oh right at the time.

53:12

So yeah, so she was doing

53:14

stuff. I don't think that they necessarily

53:16

knew she was doing stuff. Again, there was no evidence

53:18

saying Noah ever committed a crime. All they

53:21

knew was that she was with him and he was committing

53:23

crimes. I see. Okay, so they would

53:25

just like, get away from your criminals. They really just

53:27

wanted her away from him, come back to the light,

53:30

let's start over. You're safe here with us,

53:32

I see. Just get away from that loser. Yeah.

53:35

Well this was a crazy story

53:37

about a very loving criminal

53:39

couple. Yeah yeah, you know

53:42

again weird part of me is rooting for him,

53:44

but also like this

53:47

guy sucks,

53:49

and also I want to live a life where

53:51

I'm just like get large amounts

53:53

of cash and then blow it in the tropics

53:56

and then get more cash. I know, you can see

53:59

the attraction. What's the non crime version

54:01

of that podcasting?

54:03

Right? I think it's having a job traveling

54:06

podcast show, a traveling podcast. We just

54:08

make a bunch of money and then spend a bunch of

54:10

money. That's all I need. I don't need a home. Oh

54:13

well, I mean not, I need somewhere to live, but just

54:16

temporarily while I'm in until

54:18

the next place. Yeah, all right, it's like a nomad

54:20

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