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going to be up on Thursday,
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Wednesday night. Shannon Gust is going
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to be live with you with
1:16
Kelly Wentworth after Survivor. And we
1:18
preview the Dondi finale with Dealer
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No Deal Island host Joe Manganiello.
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All right here on RHAP. We
1:24
know reality TV. The
1:30
smartest guys around
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are about to break it
1:35
down like it won the
1:38
game a million times. Well,
1:43
actually, they didn't really win
1:45
the game at
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all. Survivor, no it don't. Survivor,
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no it don't. Whoa!
2:15
Hollywood,
2:18
Cestinino, Back to Earth after you know,
2:20
gallivanting in the clouds. Oh well, it's
2:22
so nice to be back here with
2:24
you on a Friday. I've never seen
2:27
you dance before to the Know It
2:29
All song. Oh my God, well
2:31
listen, I gotta dance here in my home. I'm
2:33
not out celebrating. I'm not out, you know, at
2:35
the club with Dwight and Kelly and Emily. I'm
2:46
not doing that world. I'm
2:48
just here in my home. Rob, here's what
2:50
people want to know. Who was hooking up
2:52
with who? Oh,
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okay, well, that, okay. In a
2:57
sexual way. We'll talk about it a while later, but it's
2:59
not in a sexual way. You know Sam Moore, right? Oh,
3:02
oh yes. Yeah, and then, oh, you know, that's not, that's
3:04
all right. I don't want to speak out of school. All
3:08
right, so, Steven, okay, I got a lot. Here's
3:10
a real question for you though. Who did you
3:12
like the most and the least of the people
3:14
you met? Of the
3:16
fans or the players? Players,
3:20
players. You know, Steven,
3:22
you know, rankings
3:24
are reductive and arbitrary, so I don't know
3:26
if I can get into that here with
3:29
you. That's fair. Well,
3:32
okay, okay. TBD. Yeah,
3:34
okay. How are you doing? I'm
3:37
good, Rob. It's a pleasure. You know, I
3:39
got like, yesterday I felt like I was
3:41
so aimless. I mean, I structured my Thursdays
3:43
around our chats and I just felt like,
3:45
you know, it was like drifting from place
3:47
to place, sad and alone. Okay, well, exciting.
3:49
I was probably like, coming down off the
3:51
ecstasy or something. Yeah, you're playing a major
3:53
asset. The hardest part of, you know, the
3:56
come down. But yeah, we
3:58
were actually a jack box. games
4:01
that headquarters yeah that was very fun
4:03
at a big fun afternoon there and
4:05
then flew back from Chicago last night
4:07
ready to get into it here with
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you also I want to shout out
4:12
thanks to not only everybody that came
4:14
out to see us in Chicago it
4:16
really was a Stephen
4:19
Kennedy test that a incredible couple
4:21
of days everybody was super nice
4:23
appreciate all the survivors who came
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out that podcast is up also
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hang in there audio is rough
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for about the first two or three minutes it gets
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better in case you turned it off after two minutes
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and I'm not listening to this crap it
4:36
kills me when we have technical issues
4:39
let me just say so thank you
4:41
so much for your patience bearing with
4:43
that and then Stephen
4:46
on Wednesday night Kelly Wentworth and
4:48
Shannon Gus got into it oh
4:50
great podcast there was listening to
4:52
that earlier before we came on
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so check that out and then
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on Monday Chappelle and I will be doing
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Club Condo and I'll have the patron call-in
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show page feedback show 11 a.m. Eastern on
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Saturday all right with light
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foam oh I don't get FOMO very much but
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this one look really fun I mean like they
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all look really fun and I regret missing all
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them but like for some reason this one I
5:14
like I looked through all the pictures Joshua Spalding
5:16
who all six amazing pictures like really like great
5:18
pics of every single person really seems like capture
5:20
the joy and the fun of it I was
5:23
so annoyed that I wasn't there mm-hmm yeah and
5:25
I wish you would invite me again I
5:29
forgot to invite you to the
5:32
event anyway so excited
5:35
to talk about this and
5:37
so I saw you tweeting a lot
5:39
about the episode well it
5:41
was it I mean you know I again like
5:43
I just missed miss talking about survivor I didn't
5:45
get my you know you get a spot to do
5:48
it but you happen to see that last week
5:50
we were able to send
5:52
out the fishy award
5:56
Maria and so later on today we
5:58
will announce this week's winner for
6:01
the fishy war. I'm sure there's a
6:03
lot of drama around that. Yeah,
6:06
we got to figure it out. Now there's a
6:08
lot of drama. It's a big honor. Maria retweeted
6:10
it. She expressed how honored she was better than
6:12
being player of the week. So I'm glad it's
6:14
finally getting the recognition that it's deserved. Finally. Yeah.
6:17
Yeah. Better than being on Survivor, better than the
6:19
million dollars she said, which she didn't win, she
6:21
claimed. But we'll see. Okay. All right. She didn't
6:23
say that. She didn't say that. She didn't say
6:26
that. She wouldn't violate her NDA like that. All
6:28
right. So we will award that later
6:30
on here in the show. And of
6:32
course, they'll take your questions as well.
6:34
So, Steven, you seem that you have
6:36
been very taken with Charlie.
6:38
I would love to start there with you
6:41
and talk a little bit about what
6:43
you're seeing from Charlie. I
6:46
mean, who isn't seeing it from Charlie? I feel
6:48
like Charlie is, first of all, he's in this
6:50
incredible spot. He seems to be like best friends
6:52
with everyone. Everyone seems to like he's even ever
6:55
since the merge, really, he seemed to have been
6:57
everyone's confidant. And I even remember like, you know,
6:59
when he and Maria were in sort of
7:01
that middle spot and look, you know, he was
7:03
not a part of the six, although he did
7:05
later get inducted into it. But he was
7:07
always the one, you know, he would be the one like, Oh,
7:10
let me go talk to Kenzie. Let me go talk to Venus.
7:12
Let me go talk to this person. Like he was always the
7:14
one kind of like going off and
7:16
sort of like making those
7:18
deals or kind of finalizing those deals and
7:20
seeing where everybody was more than Maria was.
7:22
And we talked consistently throughout the season about
7:25
how we see their their relationship much more
7:27
from his perspective. So again, like she might
7:29
have these relationships that we're not seeing. He's
7:32
one to immunity challenges. He
7:34
seems so like strategic and
7:36
thoughtful in everything he says.
7:38
And that conversation that he
7:40
had with Venus was so emblematic of that,
7:42
where, you know, he picks up on her
7:45
slip up about having some advantage and then
7:47
pushes it almost too far, you know, where
7:49
he was like, No, but really,
7:51
like, what's in your pocket, you know, but pushes
7:53
it to the point where he feels, you
7:56
know, he basically gets her to tacitly
7:58
admit that she has something although she doesn't ever
8:00
come out and say that. And then
8:02
it can take that information back. You know,
8:04
we'll discuss whether he made the right decision
8:07
or not, but it really feels like he
8:09
is able to thread that needle of
8:11
being like companionate and friendly and best friends
8:13
with everyone, while also being really tactical in
8:15
every one of those conversations, which just takes
8:18
like a tremendous amount of self control, especially
8:20
when you're surrounded by such crazies. And
8:23
the thing that is like most surprising and interesting
8:25
to me, Rob, I want your perspective on this,
8:27
why is Charlie not considered a
8:29
threat? You know, we heard Kenzie say
8:31
like, he's the sidekick or
8:33
whatever, right? He's Maria sidekick.
8:36
And like, you know, I've heard
8:38
people compare Maria and Charlie to me and
8:40
JT, you know, that she is the one
8:42
getting the strategic credit while he's there in
8:44
the background doing the work. But like, Charlie
8:46
is the one with all the relationships. Charlie
8:48
is the one, you know, who's winning the
8:50
immunities, like, on all
8:52
of the metrics that we're seeing, you
8:55
know, Charlie is the guy. And it's true that
8:57
like, you know, sometimes
8:59
it just doesn't translate through the screen,
9:01
like who the like, you know, the
9:03
meta microcosm of the contestants, like who
9:05
they think is the is the you
9:07
know, the anointed winner. I remember like,
9:10
Mark saying, you know, if Brandon Hance got to
9:12
the end of South Pacific, he
9:14
would have won. And like, you know, we
9:16
don't we didn't see that at all. But
9:19
like, why? Why, Rob? Why don't they respect
9:21
Charlie more? Okay, I think that this is
9:23
a really great analysis. So top
9:26
tier work here so far. Yeah, out
9:28
of the gate from Steven Fishback. Yeah,
9:30
I definitely I co signed everything that
9:32
you're saying that I do think that
9:34
Maria is seen as the person who
9:37
is out in front. I think that's
9:39
very intentional from Charlie. And I
9:41
think that he has done such a
9:43
good job. I love hearing his insight
9:46
on the game. I guess to
9:48
start, I'd love to talk a
9:50
little bit about like, why? Why is Maria getting
9:54
the Accolades from people as
9:56
opposed to Charlie? Why Is she writing as
9:58
this and I kind. The feel like
10:00
bad to see on had sort of
10:03
the of the vibe of being that
10:05
person and then now she's finally has
10:07
this move under her belt of that
10:09
I've been talking about this a little
10:11
bit of like okay the new Era
10:13
you have to have done at least
10:15
one thing to run Cj Spinal like
10:17
the jury the kind of they want
10:19
to look at you and say last
10:22
I arrived at the yeah that one
10:24
thing okay I murray as she got
10:26
that last week. Okay so now she
10:28
has sort of the vibe. And
10:30
then she made this move last week
10:32
and I think that's in for. What
10:34
it seems to me about Maria is
10:36
that her presence I think and especially
10:38
like in comparison with Venus a little
10:40
bit. we talked a little bit about
10:42
how is in the episodes. As a
10:45
hub Venus is a little friend at
10:47
actually goes from person to proceed to
10:49
proceed and ned Maria. I. Think
10:51
when you watch her: Maria
10:53
is very stoics. Maria is
10:55
still. Maria. Is
10:58
just like so you look at her
11:00
and she solid. And you know
11:02
I even didn't like the decision that
11:04
she made. Oh god she just like
11:06
was I just. Stood.
11:08
There and like was like processing but
11:10
she wasn't like all over the place
11:13
in her eyes of it too much
11:15
on and I don't know I just
11:17
think that that is sort of like
11:20
really look. Upon. Fondly by
11:22
the other on survivor players and then
11:24
she stands with a confidence and Charlie
11:27
is just like a little bit more
11:29
in the shadows were that nobody looks
11:31
at Charlie as being the leader he
11:33
wasn't considered to be a big part
11:36
of you know vr what was going
11:38
on at See Guys. He was brought
11:40
in as sort of like though. Fourth
11:43
he was are you know okay the
11:45
women are together. Let's let's bring in
11:47
Charlie and it's Charlie. Maria have this
11:50
secret thing but on. i like everybody
11:52
or price judge or teams hold maria
11:54
they were number one so i think
11:56
that he sort of just been what's
11:58
sad is sort of like an also
12:00
ran Kind of like a nothing and
12:02
even though he's won these challenges He
12:04
kind of won them as underdogs of
12:06
sort of like okay that his he
12:08
won challenges so that we could beat
12:11
We could get out hunter we could get out Tiffany But
12:14
it was never like so much like that He
12:16
was the favorite going in to one
12:18
of these challenges that he's won And
12:20
so I think that that's interesting maybe they
12:22
never felt like the dominant challenge guy like
12:25
winning the challenge Mm-hmm. Yeah, and you know of
12:27
course you know perception is reality We had Venus
12:29
did well in the challenge like oh well Venus
12:31
is a big threat to win the challenge So
12:33
we have to go after her But I think
12:35
that Charlie has done such a really
12:38
good job so far and something
12:40
else that's interesting I thought was
12:43
that Charlie is one of the few players
12:45
that we've ever seen on survivor giving
12:48
credit for something that he did
12:50
and maybe it was because that he was
12:52
a witness to what happened with Venus
12:55
and Tevin about Who
12:57
got the credit for the soda blindside and
12:59
then saw Liz was upset that she didn't
13:01
get the credit When it
13:03
came down to it Charlie
13:06
and Maria both were involved with
13:08
the Tiffany blindside and Charlie
13:10
told multiple people hey I
13:13
was not cruise director last night. Yeah, that
13:15
was you know that was I shouldn't
13:17
be getting in credit for that And I said that
13:19
was so interesting Where credit?
13:22
Makes you a target. It's a double-edged sword Yes,
13:26
I mean and and it was really interesting
13:28
too to me how Charlie you know all
13:30
episodes like gosh that Q and Maria are
13:32
such A duo gosh, that's such a tight
13:34
duo. It's all scary that tight duo over
13:36
there You know just that way of taking
13:38
this thing that obviously Could
13:40
apply to him and like making like like
13:42
through force like sheer force of will the
13:45
narrative make it more about about Q and
13:47
Maria I wonder if um you
13:49
know Heather Cannon had suggested this like weeks and weeks ago
13:51
that Coming out of the gate
13:53
and making his whole personality basically Taylor Swift, which
13:55
you know many people derided at the time Not
13:57
to write about like okay. We get a tail
13:59
of like, I wonder if that ended up potentially
14:02
helping him slash hurting him in the other
14:04
people's perception of him, because he's not the
14:06
like, you know, sharky Harvard educated lawyer, he's
14:08
the like, quirky Taylor Swift guy. And I
14:10
mean, that was something I leaned into aggressively
14:12
and token chains of like, Oh, I'm the
14:14
fish out of water. And I was, but
14:16
you know, you don't want to be the
14:18
like, um, you know, I'm the
14:20
strategy, you know, like people like are so quick, especially
14:22
in those early days of like, which one are you,
14:24
you know, who are you and like, how do I
14:26
need to like, think about you, that for him to
14:29
come out with that as like, Oh, I'm the guy
14:31
who's like, you know, knows every single thing, like
14:33
suddenly, like, that's who he is, you know,
14:35
and I think that might have helped him,
14:37
you know, against, you know, Maria as this
14:39
sort of like, you're right, like her presence
14:41
is so like thoughtful and contemplative and like,
14:45
direct, you're like, you know, but
14:48
could hurt him in the end, right, which is like, which
14:50
would be so crazy. I can't like wrap my head around
14:52
the idea that Charlie will be a losing finalist, because I
14:54
think that it would be, um, I
14:57
think like the viewers minds would be blown. Like
15:00
we've gotten so much of his perspective that I
15:02
just, I can see him winning or like not
15:04
make or like not make finals, but like losing
15:06
finals, I just don't do it. But like, yeah,
15:08
from what Kenzie saying, like, that's a that's a
15:11
viable outcome. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about that. I
15:13
just do want to bring in one other thing
15:15
that was a discussion that you were having on
15:17
social media. Shannon Gus said, It's
15:20
dawning on me how specifically well Charlie
15:22
is set up. I feel like everyone
15:24
else is a loud target Maria Q
15:26
or lesson control and running out of
15:29
runway like Ben or Kenzie a testament
15:31
to his social game threat management, considered
15:33
timing and stellar positioning.
15:36
And you added
15:38
on best game of
15:41
the new era so far. And
15:43
then I you know, contextualize that modified
15:45
that by saying, um, you know, if
15:47
he wins, and I of course, like,
15:49
you know, in my head, I'm like, you know, D jam
15:52
jam, like, I don't know how
15:54
I'm actually curious, like, because it's fun to say
15:56
the more inflammatory thing, like, you know, you say
15:58
the superlative and then like people,
16:00
people respond to that. You
16:03
know, the more the more moderate, you
16:05
know, perspectives never get as much, you know, not anymore.
16:07
Yeah, you gotta be exactly. But I mean, you know,
16:12
Jam Jam played an amazing game, D obviously played
16:14
a great game. Like, where are all the yeah,
16:18
Marianne, I mean, Erica, very interesting game. And then
16:20
and then Gabler, they both played great games. Um,
16:23
you know, all the players played great
16:25
games. But who plays the best game,
16:27
like, I think like Jam Jam
16:29
and D played, you know, D played a good
16:31
dominant game, right? She was in the dominant alliance.
16:33
She like one challenges, she like, moved
16:36
very well from a position of strength, Jam
16:38
Jam kind of the opposite having to dodge
16:40
and weave. He like brought his people together.
16:42
Charlie. Um, I don't know, like, who
16:45
do you think played like, I mean, it's such so
16:47
hard, like best as you know, yeah, I don't know.
16:49
Okay, but who do you think? Well, who
16:51
I think has played the best? I mean, if
16:53
Charlie wins, like with those three, I mean, again, like it's
16:55
so much as how you how you play it. So it's
16:57
so hard to, to say,
16:59
and again, the rankings so so
17:02
arbitrary, so reductive. Let's let's
17:04
table that conversation. Let's have it in two
17:06
weeks if Charlie, because I really I feel
17:08
like that Charlie and I've
17:10
really loved the game
17:12
that Charlie has put
17:14
together so far as well. To
17:16
me, it's sort of like, in
17:18
some ways, like, I
17:21
find it very relatable in terms of the
17:23
way that Charlie plays the game, I think
17:25
that like, he's almost like, if Todd could
17:28
win challenges that he's really
17:30
been very, very strong so far.
17:32
But I'm wondering, Stephen, is
17:34
Charlie in between a rock
17:36
and hard place where I'm wondering,
17:38
and I want to go back
17:41
to Jesse and what happened with
17:43
Jesse and Cody, and I'm starting
17:45
to wonder, was the Jesse and Cody,
17:47
the Jesse blindside of Cody, was that
17:49
the most important thing that's happened in
17:51
the new era, because I do feel
17:53
like and we're heading into this situation
17:55
here at the final six,
17:58
and I certainly could see where
18:00
Charlie does take the shot at
18:03
Maria, the shot that's probably going
18:05
to be necessary for him to
18:07
win the game and then ultimately
18:10
ends up everybody says oh wow
18:12
now Charlie he's got got
18:14
we gotta take him out or maybe
18:17
like Jesse gets through one more vote
18:19
and then ends up losing in a
18:21
firemaking situation. I almost feel
18:23
like it's gonna be very hard
18:26
for Charlie to take the shot against
18:28
Maria and I also want to
18:30
say I don't think he made the wrong decision this
18:32
week I'm just saying that I think that he really
18:34
needs to thread a very
18:36
tiny needle here with a large
18:39
piece of rope how's that for
18:41
a metaphor? Yeah
18:44
I mean I think you know in terms of Jesse voting
18:46
out Cody I think that's like one one
18:48
of the two most significant things that happen in
18:50
the new era and the other is sort of
18:53
the counterpoint to that which is Carolyn losing to
18:55
Jam Jam I think a lot of people point
18:57
to that as being like a really significant thing
18:59
for contestants playing today because they see what happens
19:01
if you're Carolyn and you played a really great
19:03
game but you go to the finals with like
19:05
your friend who played you know
19:07
certainly was better liked whether he played a better game
19:09
like I thought so but like some don't don't
19:12
want to go into that but like the point is like
19:14
she didn't you know Jam Jam was there next to her
19:16
and she ends up losing in spite of the fact that
19:18
maybe there's a world where she where she wins that final
19:20
so um you know it's sort of a damn if you
19:23
do damn if you don't situation you know if you take
19:25
the shot and you vote out your ally then you're extremely
19:27
vulnerable if you don't take the shot then you could lose
19:29
to that person yeah um so the
19:32
I mean you know a lot of people
19:34
said Jesse should have waited and let Cody go into
19:36
fire Cody was such a dominant you know people everyone
19:38
assumes that Cody would have won that firemaking of course
19:40
you know we don't know with
19:42
with with with Gabler there
19:44
but um we
19:48
what what about Maria like do we know anything
19:50
about her firemaking skills like maybe the move Charlie
19:52
is to just sort of like a Tony and
19:54
Sarah yeah you ride that to the
19:56
end you don't even you know and you send someone
19:58
against her for fire and like do it
20:00
there. Yeah. So why I
20:03
liked this decision for Charlie this week
20:05
is that I feel like it was
20:07
not a clean move that
20:09
he could have made against Maria. He
20:11
could have like if Maria says I
20:13
want to keep Q and Charlie rounds
20:15
up the votes to take out
20:18
Q this week then now okay
20:20
his cover is blown. Maria could
20:23
well turn everybody against Charlie this
20:25
week and now somebody's going after
20:27
Charlie at this at
20:29
this next vote and now
20:31
it's at the final six. It's
20:33
not as ideal as being able
20:35
to get the clean blind side
20:38
on Maria. But Steven is the
20:40
way to do it perhaps to
20:43
be able to either
20:46
get somebody else to do it or
20:49
do it in a way that
20:51
it does not look like that you
20:54
were the person responsible for it and
20:56
then take credit for it at final
20:58
tribal council. I think that
21:00
it's so tricky to take credit for things at
21:03
final tribal that people don't like think you deserve
21:05
credit for and I think Cassidy ran into that
21:07
problem right where like you know even
21:09
if you in your head were the mastermind for a
21:11
thing like if the narrative among the contestants is that
21:13
you know you were the sidekick you weren't driving that
21:15
there's you can't go in there again at the end
21:17
go in at the end and say that was really
21:20
me unless you have the receipts in the way that
21:22
kind of the DJ to a certain degree with Austin
21:25
but but yeah it's it's
21:27
it's interesting like you
21:29
know the question I've gotten the most from
21:31
people on the street in the last two days is
21:34
why on earth would anybody vote out Venus
21:36
because everyone I assumed like this was like
21:38
the most shocking vote of the season for
21:40
me because I assume she and we've talked
21:42
about oh yeah Venus final three like whatever
21:45
she's making it no one's voting out Venus
21:47
and so many people have been saying to me you
21:49
know why what earth would you vote out Venus she
21:52
you know why would you vote out someone
21:54
who is not going to take votes away from you
21:56
the jury hates her tell
21:59
me Rob why Venus Why did they choose Venus
22:01
instead of Q? Because I would
22:04
think that according to Venus, that one,
22:07
Charlie went back and started to talk
22:09
about her advantage. And I think it
22:11
also tied back to Maria and Q,
22:14
I think, also had had it with
22:16
Venus. And so this was their
22:18
move. And so Charlie was able to have
22:21
some deference and able to continue to give
22:24
Maria and Charlie what they want
22:26
to sort of like continue to
22:28
lull them into a false sense
22:30
of security and then her just
22:32
being the wild card in terms
22:34
of having some kind of advantage
22:36
that would have been used maybe
22:38
in some way that maybe would
22:40
not have been beneficial, I think,
22:42
was ultimately the nail in the
22:44
coffin for Venus. So you're saying like
22:46
the rationale from Maria and Q's perspective was just
22:48
that like if they had had it with her,
22:50
you know, there's six days left in this game.
22:53
Is that bad? How many guys do Maria
22:55
need? She feels like, hey, I found
22:57
I found a stable goat that for
22:59
everybody else. Q, he's unpredictable.
23:02
He's Maria has been the
23:04
Q whisperer this whole season. And I
23:06
think it speaks to that she is
23:08
a straight shooter. I think that Q,
23:10
for the most part, is a straight
23:13
shooter. I think that really and maybe
23:15
people other people would feel differently. But
23:18
Maria and Q, that has been a
23:20
good match all season long. They've been
23:22
on the same page. And so I
23:24
think Maria feels like, OK, I'll go to
23:26
the end with Charlie. He's clearly my number
23:28
two. And Q, who's a
23:31
goat? That's a winning combination
23:33
for Maria, even if that she
23:35
brought Ben to the final three.
23:37
So Maria is probably the person
23:39
who can beat anybody, probably just
23:41
wants to take wild cards, specifically
23:43
wild cards with advantages out of
23:46
the game if we can. Yeah,
23:48
I agree with you. I don't think it was a
23:50
bad move for Maria and for Q, certainly, like, you
23:53
know, they've got their four and it's a good four.
23:55
They're at the final seven. They've got their four. You
23:57
know, they probably both see like a path to winning
23:59
that. for so it makes sense to try to
24:01
preserve that as much as possible Venus being sort
24:04
of I mean but here's the here's the next
24:06
question okay like apart from the uh you know
24:08
the potential of an advantage or an idol which
24:10
only was like emerged later in the game not
24:12
later in the game but like later in the
24:14
in the discussion why not
24:16
target Kenzie like why target Venus over
24:18
Kenzie? That's a great question um I
24:21
think that this wild card with an
24:23
advantage I think is probably uh the
24:25
ultimate decider but it seems like that
24:27
Kenzie did a really good job of
24:29
slipping back under the radar I really
24:31
felt like at the start of the
24:33
episode she seemed like a person she
24:36
was Tiffany's closest uh number one and
24:38
that it seemed like that she would be
24:40
the next natural person to be able to
24:43
go out of the game but
24:45
ultimately they felt like Venus
24:47
was the bigger person to target. I mean
24:49
the other thing they said was that Venus
24:51
was more competitive in immunity challenges which like
24:53
PS this has got to be one of the
24:56
all-time close calls especially for her to be
24:58
eliminated like there have been close call immunity
25:00
losses um but this has got
25:02
to be like one of the closest where the
25:04
person actually goes home after and there have been
25:06
some that are probably equally close but like this
25:08
is up there. It was wild because Venus got
25:10
to that same point like it was three different
25:12
times uh before ultimately the ball dropped and that
25:15
was a great challenge to watch in
25:17
the theater with the live audience because
25:19
every time like the ball falls off
25:23
uh so it was that
25:25
was really really intense so how
25:27
do you think Charlie needs to
25:29
play this that the next because
25:31
we're running out of time here
25:33
also where it's the final six
25:36
that presumably he
25:38
needs to take out Maria
25:41
what do you do with Q? I
25:44
think the move is to go to the end and
25:46
and beat win the final four I mean like Q
25:49
is competitive for the final four is he like Q
25:51
has not done well in the challenges I mean like
25:53
he's a strong guy but he's not done well in
25:55
the post-merge challenges according to Venus take this for what
25:57
you will Venus said that you know with Q And
26:00
the big game that he has played, Venus
26:03
felt like that if
26:05
Q got to the final three, Q
26:08
certainly has a story to tell. Yes.
26:12
A Q winning would be such a great end to this season. I
26:15
mean, it would be like, you know, he was, he has
26:17
been the character of the season, right? Yeah. Which
26:19
is, you know, it's been a season rich with characters. Yeah. And
26:22
he has had his wacky moments for
26:25
sure. And he has had
26:27
his unpredictable moments for sure. But
26:29
I believe you also commented on
26:31
the Liz and Q secret scene
26:33
from this episode, right? Yeah.
26:35
And I think like if Q won, you would think
26:38
that scene would make the actual show. Oh, you never
26:40
can tell though. Yeah.
26:43
Oh, I don't know. I mean, that's so
26:45
hard to like gauge those things. There's a
26:47
beautiful scene where basically Q approaches Liz, who we
26:49
saw this episode was extremely mad at him,
26:51
you know, was cursing his name to his
26:53
face. And then
26:55
in this beautiful secret scene, like Q goes to her
26:57
and tries to find common ground, you
26:59
know, shows a lot of empathy to her
27:01
perspective and you know, what she might be
27:04
feeling. Yeah. And seems to leave that
27:06
scene with some, you know, reproach more.
27:08
Yeah. If I could add
27:10
some backstory to that secret scene, in case you
27:12
didn't see it, Q and Liz
27:15
have this interesting, similar background.
27:18
They both have told us that they
27:20
grew up in very
27:23
poor environments. Food
27:25
scarcity was an issue for both of
27:28
them as young people. And
27:30
also both self admittedly
27:33
are the two wealthiest
27:35
people now in this cast.
27:38
So they share this like rags to
27:40
riches background based off of what both
27:42
of them have told us of Q
27:45
being a very successful real estate agent.
27:47
That was before he had the thriving
27:49
QMeo business. Forget it,
27:52
Steven. That is,
27:54
you know, billionaire at this point.
27:56
Plus then Liz, who has, you
27:59
know, you know, has all these
28:01
businesses and you know, has really is
28:03
not here for the money that
28:06
she's told us that as well. So
28:08
both of them have this background of
28:10
that being, you know, very successful business
28:12
people who came from nothing and that
28:15
Q like where Liz has this issue
28:17
with Q and she like
28:19
a sort of like started to try
28:21
to hash it out with him and
28:23
you know Q said, is it
28:26
because we both grew up poor and now
28:28
you're looking at me as I'm the guy
28:30
who gets everything because I went to Applebee's
28:32
and I had pizza like we're both business
28:34
owners. Right, right, right and is able
28:36
to like put like that you know, to
28:39
be able to inhabit her perspective like judging him and
28:41
in a way that was and like that really clearly
28:43
resonated for her was
28:46
really awesome. We don't get that in the
28:48
show. We don't give that in the show.
28:50
We get Q is pouting or Q is
28:52
like often like by himself laughing at them
28:54
and so and again and maybe this is
28:56
like to go back to something that you
28:58
said about how you know these
29:01
you know moderate takes don't necessarily like
29:03
move the needle you know in terms
29:05
of like okay well is is
29:08
you know the are these characters not
29:10
as colorful if we include this scene
29:12
in the episode. I don't know I thought it
29:14
was such a great scene and I honestly like I think
29:16
everybody should watch it was like you know this show is
29:18
all about like at least you know when the show talks
29:20
about itself it's all about like cross-cultural connections and how you
29:22
know this group of disparate people coming from different
29:25
backgrounds from around the country you know and
29:27
also from Canada they
29:29
all can come together and play this game where
29:32
they have to find common ground and also have
29:34
to build each other out and it is such
29:36
a fascinating premise but like that kind of scene
29:38
is exactly what's cool about it. You know, it's
29:40
the kind of stuff Steven that we you used
29:42
to have in the show instead of a flashback
29:45
to one person sort of like
29:47
monologuing about like what their backstory
29:49
is to see two people have
29:51
that type of interaction that you
29:53
get their backstory from them talking about
29:56
it. I mean I do think that that's
29:58
probably the more articulate way to. to be
30:00
able to paint these characters. Well,
30:02
I do like the flashback backstories, and especially
30:04
in this season and the last season, I
30:06
think they've found a nice spot where you
30:08
don't feel like we're not being hammered by
30:10
it. These are kind of like one-note flashbacks,
30:12
but I do feel like we're getting more,
30:15
we do get richness and depth from them, but
30:17
this did seem, I mean, who knows, right? Maybe,
30:19
oh, how could we lose whatever,
30:22
whatever other thing that we could see? But
30:26
I did think it was a really cool moment. And
30:28
they obviously thought so too, right? Usually the secret scenes
30:30
are things that did almost make the episode. They're usually
30:32
think, I mean, it's an edited cut scene. They obviously
30:35
put the time and care into making this a scene
30:37
because they believed in it. It probably was cut from
30:39
the episode late, and there was probably a good reason
30:41
for it that we're not seeing. Yeah. How about Maria's
30:44
decision to take
30:47
the people, to take
30:49
Ben and Q to go have pizza
30:51
after winning the challenge? So
30:53
I have a slightly disparate take, from
30:56
what I've seen. Most people are like, oh my gosh,
30:58
this is so bad of Maria. Here's the thing about
31:00
these challenge decisions. No matter what you do, no matter
31:02
how you do it, people are gonna complain. Like if
31:04
Maria had had a snap, they're like, oh my gosh,
31:06
she took so much time to make us, if she
31:08
had a snap judgment, hey, it's gonna be these two,
31:10
people would have been pissed about that. How could she
31:12
be so dismissive of us? How could she do it
31:15
so quickly when she knows it means so much to
31:17
us? No matter what you do,
31:19
there's always gonna be a reason about how you
31:21
did it wrong. It's like a breakup, you're never gonna
31:23
do it right. The person you broke up with is never gonna
31:25
say, thank you, you handled that so beautifully. They're
31:28
always gonna be like, how could you have done it in
31:30
that precise way? That was exactly the wrong way. Yeah. I
31:32
don't think, I mean, there's an argument to be made that
31:34
the Rock Paper Scissors is good. It does take it out
31:36
of her hands. Obviously,
31:40
the contestants didn't feel that way. I just think that people
31:42
left behind were never going to be happy with how she
31:45
did it. If she had just said like, Q, you're
31:48
an important ally for me, like would they have been happy
31:50
with that? No, and also like people were like, why take
31:52
Q at all? And I have been in
31:54
a situation where you do have to placate people. Part
31:57
of winning a reward is not just like... She
32:00
said the thing about like I'm I'm I want to do
32:02
the most do this in the most saintly way And now
32:04
is I agree with I agree with venus there like that
32:06
was probably not a useful gloss to put on it when
32:08
she Listed there when q was one
32:10
of the two people but you know in terms of like
32:12
picking q like She her game
32:15
is dependent on keeping him happy. Her game is
32:17
not dependent on keeping venus happy. So yes, bring
32:19
q All right. I want to start
32:21
off with uh, some grace for maria in this
32:24
Situation because first off this this
32:27
was not a reward challenge. This
32:29
was right an immunity challenge And
32:31
this was as we saw a
32:33
long tough challenge So if I'm coming
32:35
to need to win, yes And she needed to
32:37
win and if I'm coming into an immunity challenge,
32:39
I don't know if I necessarily have in my
32:41
head Who are the people like
32:44
you don't know what the reward is? You
32:46
don't know necessarily that there will be a
32:48
reward attached to the immunity challenge. Maria is
32:50
coming in Okay, like hey, I just made
32:52
this big move maybe I gotta like really
32:54
either I need another win
32:56
or I gotta make sure this person doesn't
32:58
win. And so then jeff springs on you
33:00
Okay, you are also going to get to
33:02
have pizza And
33:04
so I don't know if maria has
33:06
thought through the people that she is
33:08
taking with her for the pizza reward
33:11
And then you know now cut to
33:13
maybe an hour later the challenge is
33:15
over Adrenaline is like coursing
33:17
through your body of like you just did
33:20
this you have the russia Dailies just like
33:22
all right now. I need a decision And
33:25
so I do think that you know
33:27
maria then tried to talk it through and
33:29
I think that what her intention was
33:31
probably to I want to give everybody
33:33
consideration That i'm thinking of
33:35
thinking of this But you know
33:37
when we go back to like monica
33:39
kolpepper in survivor blood versus water whereas
33:41
like tyson and jervis We're very much
33:44
like okay. This is what the alliance
33:46
is like. Okay, we're not doing this
33:48
Monica would always like hear out the other side
33:50
and would like all right. Let me think about
33:52
it. Let me okay Let me think about it.
33:54
Uh, it's close. It's close But then always would
33:56
end up siding with jervis and tyson and
33:58
then at the end of the day The jury
34:00
was bitter with Monica of like hey you
34:02
let us on you let us write that
34:05
there was a chance and then you just
34:07
Went ahead and did what you had to
34:09
do so I think on the one hand
34:11
is like oh, I'll make it seem like
34:13
okay Everybody I'm thinking of everybody there's
34:15
a chance But then
34:17
ultimately it ended up like being like
34:19
more of a tease right I think
34:21
that it was probably was Ben was
34:23
a good Pick I think that Liz
34:25
was probably the the better especially considering
34:27
from a strategic point of view I
34:29
know Maria is very close with Q But Q
34:31
himself even says like I just went to Applebee's like
34:34
like with the one thing we know that Q's he's
34:36
an erratic player Okay, and he could be like oh
34:38
my gosh. You didn't take us one of the six
34:40
on the reward You know big and
34:42
I took you to Applebee's right Yeah, I
34:45
think like you I don't know if I think picking Q was the
34:47
right choice I agree that like some of the context she made it
34:49
she put around it I would have picked you in that in that
34:51
spot because like Q is one of her
34:53
number like she needs to keep that for it
34:55
It's the final seven. Yeah, it is the final
34:57
seven and that basically that she's taking Ben She
34:59
knows she's not worried about Charlie, and maybe she should
35:01
be But okay I
35:04
think it probably especially because Liz was like the
35:06
extra person on that last vote that maybe there
35:08
is a chance to shore that Up also that
35:10
like hey Liz you voted with us last night.
35:12
Let's like you know continue
35:14
to build that relationship and so then
35:18
Especially when she started with well, I need to
35:20
talk about who needs it the most That
35:23
was probably that was a mistake I mean it but like you
35:25
know she didn't like like you're saying in this moment of you
35:27
know And ultimately it didn't
35:29
end up mattering for anything because I mean
35:32
and maybe it's a different story of Maria
35:34
isn't immune But I think that people
35:36
were coming from Maria whether she gave
35:39
the reward away or not But it
35:41
was just another it to have these
35:43
two episodes back-to-back where reward decisions Turned
35:46
out to be so controversial. I
35:48
mean what us what us throwback
35:50
to old-school survivors truly It's really
35:52
fun this season and you know
35:54
kudos to Charlie too for removing
35:57
himself from the decision You know both
35:59
as a way to kind of put the heat up on Maria
36:01
a little bit more and as a
36:03
way to stay back with the losers. I
36:05
could not have done that. I think that is probably
36:07
the correct strategic decision here. A,
36:10
you're sort of nominally making it easier for Maria, but
36:12
you're also kind of making it harder for her. But
36:14
B, you get to stay back with the losers who
36:17
are always bitter. They're always like, we gotta get those
36:19
people out. And you know there's gonna be
36:21
four losers and three winners this time. I
36:24
don't think I could have done it. You're really hungry on
36:26
a survivor. And
36:28
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36:30
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take some of the questions that we got from
37:40
the listeners. And so, let
37:43
me start with Kristen who says, is
37:45
Venus the fifth person this season to
37:47
go home with an idol in her
37:49
pocket? What is making people so comfortable
37:51
that they feel like they don't need
37:53
to play the idol? And how could
37:55
they possibly still feel so comfortable when
37:57
so many people before them have been
37:59
blindsided? So this is such an
38:01
interesting question and it's so interesting that three
38:04
in a row basically the exact same story
38:07
Q is definitely going home. We know it's Q. I'm
38:09
sure it's Q. Oops You're blindside with an idol in
38:11
your pocket three times in a row. So great. Hope
38:13
it happens of course But
38:15
but I think I'll put the idol back out there.
38:17
Oh, yeah. Yeah. They got are you kidding with this
38:19
with this run? Of course, but they're probably idols in
38:21
every tree. Um But
38:24
you know so Jeff's addressed this on his
38:26
podcast Which you know, I listened to the
38:28
clip and he said that the the thing
38:31
that is making this happen is great gameplay
38:33
Is that your readout Rob is is that
38:35
what's happening here great gameplay? Um,
38:38
I will could you expand on that? What way
38:40
he said that the trend of people
38:43
going out with idols in their pockets
38:45
is great gameplay Hmm. His
38:48
point was that it takes a lot
38:50
of great gameplay to convince someone that
38:52
they are safe Even as they seem
38:54
the exact same thing happen Yeah I
38:57
Was being somewhat good because like, you know the
38:59
idea that the game plays
39:01
that's such a high level that's that's three
39:03
people in a row Made the exact same
39:06
boneheaded blunder. I think the overthinking is at
39:08
an all-time high. So Cuz
39:12
I you know when I when I recry says Jeff I feel like someone
39:14
some guilt about that because you know, give me one of the most amazing
39:16
experiences in my life. Um It
39:20
does it is true that it takes a lot
39:22
of great gameplay to actually pull the wool over
39:24
someone's eyes because they are Asking themselves the same
39:26
question. They are aware. Hey, this just happened to
39:28
this person So to be able to so thoroughly
39:30
convince them like that. I do think there is
39:32
some great gameplay there Yeah, okay so I was
39:35
thinking about this earlier today as I was
39:37
getting ready for the podcast and I was
39:39
thinking like okay So in the meta of
39:41
where we are now like is
39:43
the move to sort of like Allah
39:46
of Venus? imply okay,
39:48
like I've got you know, I've got
39:50
something like maybe we could use it
39:52
and then Actually
39:55
use it where it's almost like Taking
39:59
the shot on you you by setting by
40:01
it was sort of like like letting
40:03
it slip out that you have it
40:05
it's almost kind of like a reverse
40:07
like Parvati and Amanda right you know
40:09
sort of like okay well cuz that
40:11
the player because everybody is like salivating
40:13
oh it's like oh we'll blindside them
40:15
they have an idol we'll get them
40:17
tonight we'll put the votes on them
40:19
they're never gonna expect it and
40:22
then you as the idol holder now get
40:24
to have this moment where the thing about
40:26
the idol is you never know when or
40:29
how the votes are coming at you but
40:32
what if you leaked that you had
40:35
the idol to sort of bluff
40:37
them into thinking like oh I like me oh
40:39
no maybe I don't just kidding and
40:42
then you know now that they're going to
40:44
come for you and then you do play
40:46
the idol correctly dang and
40:48
then next week they vote you out but you had
40:50
such a big move last week yeah but then I
40:54
started thinking about okay but why
40:56
did it work for Tiffany the one
40:58
time or maybe that sort of like
41:01
the the tipping point of like okay
41:03
we're just gonna go for these people
41:06
because if they say they have an
41:08
idol and they're gonna play it they're
41:10
probably trying to keep it for another
41:13
round how did Tiffany earlier this season
41:15
pull it off successfully where then hunter
41:17
Tiffany herself and Venus all
41:19
failed well I mean with
41:21
Tiffany there was also hunter right I mean Tiffany
41:24
you know you had hunter in that exact same
41:26
tribal council who was you know
41:28
also had an idol so if it wasn't it you know one
41:30
of them was gonna be able to last that that tribal council
41:32
with their idol but but that
41:34
was the trouble console hunter was voted out at so they
41:37
people knew he had an idol which he has alluded
41:39
to and he also
41:41
was this huge immunity threat that they
41:43
felt they needed to get out immediately
41:45
okay all right Lorenzo
41:47
in the chat says does Charlie have
41:50
fishback downside at final tribal council doing
41:52
a good job getting and
41:56
making moves in the shadows that the jury will not be
41:58
able to identify and pinpoint as easily Yeah,
42:01
I mean, I do think there is that
42:03
risk for Charlie. I would just be so
42:05
sure. I mean, just from like, again,
42:08
I have certainly misread the edit basically
42:10
consistently in the last six seasons. But,
42:12
um, that being said, I do
42:15
think that I would,
42:18
Charlie has been such the dominant strategic narrator, certainly of
42:21
like the recent part of the game, that I would
42:23
be so surprised if he made it to the end.
42:25
It didn't win. Like, I think everyone would
42:27
have a lot of trouble unless we really see like
42:29
a series of obvious boneheaded moose
42:31
room. I mean, do you agree with
42:33
that take, Rob? I agree with it.
42:36
But I do wonder just in the
42:38
meta of like where we are, and
42:40
as sort of like the most sophisticated
42:42
viewers of this television show that there
42:44
are, that is the
42:47
fact that Charlie is getting this edit, maybe
42:51
a bad signal that
42:53
Charlie will be that
42:55
Jesse type player, the you
42:58
should have one guy. Yeah.
43:00
I hope that he does win. Yeah.
43:03
Wow. You're rooting against the rest of them. Um,
43:08
Charlie in a very important draft.
43:11
No, but I really, I love, I love the, the, the
43:14
gameplay style from Charlie because to
43:16
me that is like inherently survivor
43:18
of the person who is sort
43:21
of like the more of the
43:23
underdog, you know, waiting in the
43:26
shadows to strike who is very,
43:28
you know, carefully in a
43:31
little finger esque way, manipulating what's
43:33
going on and people don't really
43:35
know it's him giving great
43:37
confessionals to the camera. He's
43:39
one challenges as well. So I
43:41
really, I'm, I'm really
43:44
just so it's such a
43:46
fan of what Charlie has been able to
43:48
do, but I'm almost worrying that we've seen
43:50
too much of what he's doing. like
44:00
an Omer, like a Jesse, like
44:03
a Carson, you
44:05
know, trying to go last season, who
44:07
it could have been. And less
44:09
so because D, you know, did play this game, but you know, maybe
44:11
Gerudo was sort of, but not really. Drew's just like more of the
44:14
archetype. He's not really, he wasn't that character in terms of like owning
44:16
the strategy of the show. But
44:18
like, yeah, I mean, last season that
44:20
person did sort of win, you know, like D kind of was
44:22
that person. So, you
44:24
know, and he had a lot of confessionals. And I
44:26
mean, honestly, that was one of the reasons I didn't
44:29
think he was going to win was 45 in the
44:31
anomaly in the new era. And that it was like
44:33
a tight alliance and not this game of like, take
44:35
out the like king of the pack. Yeah.
44:38
Yeah. I mean, that is my take
44:40
has been my take pretty consistently is that like, Charlie
44:43
has like Omer downside, really, or, you know,
44:45
or Jesse downside, that he has been such
44:47
a consistent, you know, strategic narrator that like,
44:49
we've seen like over and over again, this
44:52
season, that that person getting
44:54
get eliminated basically at the, you know,
44:56
in the finale, sort of at the
45:00
end, but, or right before the phone. But but,
45:03
um, do you think here's the real question related
45:05
to that, Rob, let's say that happens to Charlie,
45:08
you know, fire loser, or, you know, blindsided, like
45:10
Maria gets wise to him and blindsides him with
45:12
the final six, which would be a good move.
45:15
It would be a good move. Who gets a spot
45:17
on 50, Jesse or Charlie? I
45:19
personally, I think that they're different archetypes. I really,
45:21
I don't think that they're competing for the same
45:23
spot. I
45:26
think that Charlie could have a
45:28
tough road back to season 50,
45:30
because I feel like that, um,
45:33
you know, like really, when
45:35
you, when you put together this cast, now it's
45:37
more of a puzzle than it's ever been before
45:39
when you're doing these all star cast, because you
45:42
have the diversity initiative. And so, you know, you
45:44
have a lot of people that, you know, people
45:46
are talking about, okay, well, you're probably gonna have
45:48
this person, probably gonna have this person, but I
45:50
think you're going to start to run out of
45:52
spots. But I think
45:54
that Charlie would be worthy of another run,
45:56
but I think that he may have his.
46:00
Is work cut out for him in
46:02
terms of like maybe going up against
46:04
some other like maybe more colorful personalities?
46:07
Mmm, like even though the game is extremely
46:09
strong. Yeah, that's interesting. Um,
46:12
I think I think yeah I mean it's that's
46:14
you're right and also like especially like with that
46:16
sort of like strategic play archetype Like, you know,
46:18
is it you know Christian who gets that spot
46:20
instead or or devins? But anyway, that's why I
46:22
was just being I was just trying to you
46:24
know, put you in that in the hot seat.
46:26
Okay, um Yeah
46:29
But I think he's also fighting in
46:31
the same spot maybe against you know, somebody
46:34
like a Xander, uh, you know who somebody
46:36
I Who I think would
46:38
be you know a good person to bring My
46:40
gender like you've been like even since since in
46:42
his season you've been very close and her is
46:45
returning kind of who I mean Yeah, yeah Like
46:48
he was I mean, he's very, you know handsome,
46:50
but I you know, he are
46:52
they gonna cast him again? I don't know.
46:54
I think honestly it's I do
46:57
not envy the position of the person that has to
46:59
put this together But maybe we'll do
47:01
a couple of podcasts about it at some point down
47:03
the road. Let's see. Yeah, okay Um,
47:05
all right, then how
47:07
about from Sarah Sparkman? What
47:10
in the 10s ease pass forward? I think we
47:12
have three possible outcomes for this season Steven. Okay,
47:15
I think we have the possibility of a Maria
47:18
win and so that world is Maria
47:20
keeps her four together. They go to like she kind
47:23
of like maybe takes out Charlie stalwartly,
47:25
you know Charges
47:27
forward Honestly
47:32
Maria takes out Charlie. Yeah, I feel like that
47:34
she wins the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
47:36
I think that's a game-winning move for her Yeah,
47:39
and maybe that is why Charlie has been or
47:41
one of the reasons Charlie has been such a
47:43
big character is like we show It like that's
47:45
often what that happens, right? Like we see the person
47:47
who beats the big character that person ends up waiting.
47:49
Yeah I mean ultimately that's Maria's signature move of
47:51
that. We take out Charlie. Yeah I mean that was
47:53
what Gabler did taking out Jesse. We saw that I
47:56
mean, you know jam jam took out Carson, of
47:58
course, you have a lot of moves. Okay Second
48:01
scenario, Charlie takes out Maria and
48:03
Charlie wins, but I think that's
48:05
a third scenario. And I
48:07
think that this is how it would play out. Charlie
48:10
takes out Maria and then
48:13
the rest of the
48:15
people left... Vote out Charlie.
48:17
Vote out Charlie or Charlie doesn't win or
48:19
somebody beats Charlie in firemaking. Or
48:22
Kenzie beats Charlie in firemaking. Or
48:24
Kenzie beats Charlie in firemaking or Kenzie
48:26
takes out Charlie and that's her big
48:28
move. But I feel like that the
48:30
third possible scenario... I don't think you
48:33
would win even though that would be
48:35
highly entertaining and I would love it.
48:37
I don't think that Ben has a
48:40
serious shot to win. I don't think that Liz
48:42
at this point has a serious shot to win.
48:44
I think that the third possibility is a Kenzie
48:46
win. Yeah,
48:48
I agree with that. I think that's right. Okay.
48:52
So yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.
48:56
How would you feel about that? Great.
48:58
I mean, I think she's, you know, again, she's got a
49:00
great story, you know, starting at Yanu.
49:03
You know, she, you know, really influential
49:05
in the early merge. I mean, she
49:07
has kind of like taken a real
49:09
backseat easily. Yeah, but maybe ultimately... That's
49:11
the spot to be in. Maybe she
49:13
gets Q out. Maybe that's her, you
49:15
know, her payback. Yeah. I
49:18
mean, so much just matters about, you know,
49:20
what you do at the end and who
49:22
you're sitting next to. Mermaid, dragon. Okay. Yeah.
49:26
Steven, anything else on
49:28
your mind about Survivor heading into
49:30
our penultimate episode next
49:32
week? No,
49:36
no. Fishy this
49:38
week. Well, let's talk about it, Rob. Who gets
49:40
the fishy this week? I mean, I think you
49:42
have to give it to Charlie. I don't really
49:44
even know who else. But he like, I mean,
49:46
he sussed out the Venus Idol, but ultimately he
49:48
went along with Maria's plan. I
49:51
mean, you can't give it to Maria because she did seem
49:53
to squander so much, you know, so much social capital. I
49:55
mean, what was interesting to me was Charlie almost got credit
49:58
for Maria's move last week. Confessionals
50:00
from Charlie being like I gave that move
50:02
to her He felt like credit in the
50:04
confessional but not to the other players. That's
50:06
the move. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah All
50:08
right. Let's say Charlie. I don't think I made the right
50:10
choice do it But
50:13
there's a world where this is a
50:15
game losing move, you know vis-a-vis Monica
50:17
Culpepper, you know This could be Charlie's
50:19
Monica Culpepper moment where he dangles this
50:21
promise to all the other contestants and
50:24
then um And then
50:26
like is like well, I'm actually with everybody. I mean
50:28
it was Ultimately, this was a
50:30
six to one vote against Venus with the one
50:34
You know protection against the idol that then
50:36
put a vote on Kenzie Yeah,
50:38
let's talk about that because every
50:40
single episode people are doing the idol slash shot
50:42
in the dark protection and every single episode People
50:44
are like why did this person have a stray
50:46
vote? It is always the shot in the dark
50:49
or the idol protection is yeah in this case
50:51
I think it was the she said she had
50:53
something just in case Shannon
50:55
said something interesting. Well, I think more maybe well,
50:57
I guess maybe more shot in the dark though
50:59
because like I know you know She's voting. Oh,
51:02
they said she thought she was part of a four
51:04
against the three I don't think she would do the
51:06
shot in the dark and that's bad But I'm just
51:08
saying like if you know she's voting and not voting
51:10
for you You don't need to spend your vote on
51:13
her if she's playing an idol because I don't take
51:15
away your vote The extra of hinky vote is shot
51:17
in the dark protection because that person doesn't vote
51:20
The extra hinky vote is shot in the dark protection Theoretically,
51:23
right if it's just an idol play Ben
51:25
doesn't and Ben does not believe that he's
51:27
voting for her for him I mean
51:29
you there's still a world where Ben votes that way The
51:32
Kenzie vote but like then you're out in the optimal
51:34
Posit move if you believe that Venus is not voting
51:36
for you is not to put Kenzie's name out there
51:39
because that puts You do
51:41
want to do that? Oh, go ahead. Okay, can I put
51:43
Shannon's? Idea I want
51:45
to get your take on this that
51:47
okay so that Ben put one vote
51:49
on Kenzie and Shannon was Speculating
51:52
that okay the vote Hypothetically Venus
51:54
plays her idol all the votes
51:56
against Venus get canceled now. The
51:58
vote is vote Q one
52:00
vote Kenzie that's good. I like that.
52:03
Shannon had said that she thought on
52:05
the revote they take out Q. That's
52:07
good. That or take out Kenzie. That
52:10
Shannon's Shannon's was positing that
52:12
on the revote they would
52:15
take out Q. But
52:17
why if the point of Ben putting Kenzie's
52:19
name out there would be to take out
52:21
Kenzie on the revote because well here's name
52:23
is already out there from Venus's vote. I
52:26
mean you wouldn't need well you could but
52:28
this could be a sneaky way to take
52:30
out Q. Ben is no fan of Q.
52:33
That he felt like that Venus was
52:35
more of a poser but
52:37
he Ben has been you know pretty
52:39
adamant he is not a fan of
52:41
Q and that potentially you
52:44
know Q could have gone home on
52:46
the revote. I'm gonna get stuck
52:48
on this because it doesn't make sense right. He wouldn't
52:50
you wouldn't put the Kenzie name out there because Q's
52:53
name is already out there. If your goal is to
52:55
get Q out then all you need is the idle play
52:57
and the Q vote. You don't need his like Kenzie
52:59
vote for a revote. That's what we get rid of
53:01
Kenzie. Okay so that basically you would just leave
53:03
it in the hands of six to one. Yeah well
53:05
because like him voting Kenzie doesn't facilitate Q getting
53:08
voted out if facilitate Kenzie getting voted out. Yeah that's
53:10
a good point. Maybe
53:12
she was saying that? No
53:15
that was not what she was saying. I'm telling you
53:17
what she said and
53:20
then you punch the hole in it. Okay. Well
53:22
maybe the plan was Kenzie if Venus plays her
53:25
idle. I mean honestly that's a great that's a
53:27
great read. She just you know that's just the
53:29
end getting used to just get slightly tweaked. Okay.
53:32
Stephen what else is coming up for you? I'm
53:35
just waiting till next week you know it's gonna
53:37
be pacing my apartment again waiting waiting waiting. Okay
53:40
waiting for the next episode of
53:42
Survivor? Yeah okay. The big one.
53:45
All right well congratulations to Charlie
53:47
winner of the coveted fishy award.
53:49
Well get our crack social media
53:52
team on it to award him
53:54
as soon as possible. Thank you
53:57
so much for joining us. Patrons.
54:00
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54:02
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54:04
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54:06
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54:08
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54:11
with the patrons. They called in, have
54:13
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54:15
been a real fun part
54:17
of this season to get all of
54:19
the additional questions and takes. And again,
54:21
thanks to everybody who came out and
54:23
said hello on our live show on
54:25
Wednesday in Chicago. It was truly a
54:28
great time. And so we only missed
54:30
Steven. That was the only thing. Yeah. Just send
54:32
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54:34
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