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going to be up on Thursday,

1:11

Wednesday night. Shannon Gust is going

1:13

to be live with you with

1:16

Kelly Wentworth after Survivor. And we

1:18

preview the Dondi finale with Dealer

1:20

No Deal Island host Joe Manganiello.

1:22

All right here on RHAP. We

1:24

know reality TV. The

1:30

smartest guys around

1:33

are about to break it

1:35

down like it won the

1:38

game a million times. Well,

1:43

actually, they didn't really win

1:45

the game at

1:48

all. Survivor, no it don't. Survivor,

1:55

no it don't. Whoa!

2:15

Hollywood,

2:18

Cestinino, Back to Earth after you know,

2:20

gallivanting in the clouds. Oh well, it's

2:22

so nice to be back here with

2:24

you on a Friday. I've never seen

2:27

you dance before to the Know It

2:29

All song. Oh my God, well

2:31

listen, I gotta dance here in my home. I'm

2:33

not out celebrating. I'm not out, you know, at

2:35

the club with Dwight and Kelly and Emily. I'm

2:46

not doing that world. I'm

2:48

just here in my home. Rob, here's what

2:50

people want to know. Who was hooking up

2:52

with who? Oh,

2:54

okay, well, that, okay. In a

2:57

sexual way. We'll talk about it a while later, but it's

2:59

not in a sexual way. You know Sam Moore, right? Oh,

3:02

oh yes. Yeah, and then, oh, you know, that's not, that's

3:04

all right. I don't want to speak out of school. All

3:08

right, so, Steven, okay, I got a lot. Here's

3:10

a real question for you though. Who did you

3:12

like the most and the least of the people

3:14

you met? Of the

3:16

fans or the players? Players,

3:20

players. You know, Steven,

3:22

you know, rankings

3:24

are reductive and arbitrary, so I don't know

3:26

if I can get into that here with

3:29

you. That's fair. Well,

3:32

okay, okay. TBD. Yeah,

3:34

okay. How are you doing? I'm

3:37

good, Rob. It's a pleasure. You know, I

3:39

got like, yesterday I felt like I was

3:41

so aimless. I mean, I structured my Thursdays

3:43

around our chats and I just felt like,

3:45

you know, it was like drifting from place

3:47

to place, sad and alone. Okay, well, exciting.

3:49

I was probably like, coming down off the

3:51

ecstasy or something. Yeah, you're playing a major

3:53

asset. The hardest part of, you know, the

3:56

come down. But yeah, we

3:58

were actually a jack box. games

4:01

that headquarters yeah that was very fun

4:03

at a big fun afternoon there and

4:05

then flew back from Chicago last night

4:07

ready to get into it here with

4:09

you also I want to shout out

4:12

thanks to not only everybody that came

4:14

out to see us in Chicago it

4:16

really was a Stephen

4:19

Kennedy test that a incredible couple

4:21

of days everybody was super nice

4:23

appreciate all the survivors who came

4:25

out that podcast is up also

4:27

hang in there audio is rough

4:30

for about the first two or three minutes it gets

4:32

better in case you turned it off after two minutes

4:34

and I'm not listening to this crap it

4:36

kills me when we have technical issues

4:39

let me just say so thank you

4:41

so much for your patience bearing with

4:43

that and then Stephen

4:46

on Wednesday night Kelly Wentworth and

4:48

Shannon Gus got into it oh

4:50

great podcast there was listening to

4:52

that earlier before we came on

4:54

so check that out and then

4:57

on Monday Chappelle and I will be doing

5:00

Club Condo and I'll have the patron call-in

5:02

show page feedback show 11 a.m. Eastern on

5:04

Saturday all right with light

5:06

foam oh I don't get FOMO very much but

5:08

this one look really fun I mean like they

5:10

all look really fun and I regret missing all

5:12

them but like for some reason this one I

5:14

like I looked through all the pictures Joshua Spalding

5:16

who all six amazing pictures like really like great

5:18

pics of every single person really seems like capture

5:20

the joy and the fun of it I was

5:23

so annoyed that I wasn't there mm-hmm yeah and

5:25

I wish you would invite me again I

5:29

forgot to invite you to the

5:32

event anyway so excited

5:35

to talk about this and

5:37

so I saw you tweeting a lot

5:39

about the episode well it

5:41

was it I mean you know I again like

5:43

I just missed miss talking about survivor I didn't

5:45

get my you know you get a spot to do

5:48

it but you happen to see that last week

5:50

we were able to send

5:52

out the fishy award

5:56

Maria and so later on today we

5:58

will announce this week's winner for

6:01

the fishy war. I'm sure there's a

6:03

lot of drama around that. Yeah,

6:06

we got to figure it out. Now there's a

6:08

lot of drama. It's a big honor. Maria retweeted

6:10

it. She expressed how honored she was better than

6:12

being player of the week. So I'm glad it's

6:14

finally getting the recognition that it's deserved. Finally. Yeah.

6:17

Yeah. Better than being on Survivor, better than the

6:19

million dollars she said, which she didn't win, she

6:21

claimed. But we'll see. Okay. All right. She didn't

6:23

say that. She didn't say that. She didn't say

6:26

that. She wouldn't violate her NDA like that. All

6:28

right. So we will award that later

6:30

on here in the show. And of

6:32

course, they'll take your questions as well.

6:34

So, Steven, you seem that you have

6:36

been very taken with Charlie.

6:38

I would love to start there with you

6:41

and talk a little bit about what

6:43

you're seeing from Charlie. I

6:46

mean, who isn't seeing it from Charlie? I feel

6:48

like Charlie is, first of all, he's in this

6:50

incredible spot. He seems to be like best friends

6:52

with everyone. Everyone seems to like he's even ever

6:55

since the merge, really, he seemed to have been

6:57

everyone's confidant. And I even remember like, you know,

6:59

when he and Maria were in sort of

7:01

that middle spot and look, you know, he was

7:03

not a part of the six, although he did

7:05

later get inducted into it. But he was

7:07

always the one, you know, he would be the one like, Oh,

7:10

let me go talk to Kenzie. Let me go talk to Venus.

7:12

Let me go talk to this person. Like he was always the

7:14

one kind of like going off and

7:16

sort of like making those

7:18

deals or kind of finalizing those deals and

7:20

seeing where everybody was more than Maria was.

7:22

And we talked consistently throughout the season about

7:25

how we see their their relationship much more

7:27

from his perspective. So again, like she might

7:29

have these relationships that we're not seeing. He's

7:32

one to immunity challenges. He

7:34

seems so like strategic and

7:36

thoughtful in everything he says.

7:38

And that conversation that he

7:40

had with Venus was so emblematic of that,

7:42

where, you know, he picks up on her

7:45

slip up about having some advantage and then

7:47

pushes it almost too far, you know, where

7:49

he was like, No, but really,

7:51

like, what's in your pocket, you know, but pushes

7:53

it to the point where he feels, you

7:56

know, he basically gets her to tacitly

7:58

admit that she has something although she doesn't ever

8:00

come out and say that. And then

8:02

it can take that information back. You know,

8:04

we'll discuss whether he made the right decision

8:07

or not, but it really feels like he

8:09

is able to thread that needle of

8:11

being like companionate and friendly and best friends

8:13

with everyone, while also being really tactical in

8:15

every one of those conversations, which just takes

8:18

like a tremendous amount of self control, especially

8:20

when you're surrounded by such crazies. And

8:23

the thing that is like most surprising and interesting

8:25

to me, Rob, I want your perspective on this,

8:27

why is Charlie not considered a

8:29

threat? You know, we heard Kenzie say

8:31

like, he's the sidekick or

8:33

whatever, right? He's Maria sidekick.

8:36

And like, you know, I've heard

8:38

people compare Maria and Charlie to me and

8:40

JT, you know, that she is the one

8:42

getting the strategic credit while he's there in

8:44

the background doing the work. But like, Charlie

8:46

is the one with all the relationships. Charlie

8:48

is the one, you know, who's winning the

8:50

immunities, like, on all

8:52

of the metrics that we're seeing, you

8:55

know, Charlie is the guy. And it's true that

8:57

like, you know, sometimes

8:59

it just doesn't translate through the screen,

9:01

like who the like, you know, the

9:03

meta microcosm of the contestants, like who

9:05

they think is the is the you

9:07

know, the anointed winner. I remember like,

9:10

Mark saying, you know, if Brandon Hance got to

9:12

the end of South Pacific, he

9:14

would have won. And like, you know, we

9:16

don't we didn't see that at all. But

9:19

like, why? Why, Rob? Why don't they respect

9:21

Charlie more? Okay, I think that this is

9:23

a really great analysis. So top

9:26

tier work here so far. Yeah, out

9:28

of the gate from Steven Fishback. Yeah,

9:30

I definitely I co signed everything that

9:32

you're saying that I do think that

9:34

Maria is seen as the person who

9:37

is out in front. I think that's

9:39

very intentional from Charlie. And I

9:41

think that he has done such a

9:43

good job. I love hearing his insight

9:46

on the game. I guess to

9:48

start, I'd love to talk a

9:50

little bit about like, why? Why is Maria getting

9:54

the Accolades from people as

9:56

opposed to Charlie? Why Is she writing as

9:58

this and I kind. The feel like

10:00

bad to see on had sort of

10:03

the of the vibe of being that

10:05

person and then now she's finally has

10:07

this move under her belt of that

10:09

I've been talking about this a little

10:11

bit of like okay the new Era

10:13

you have to have done at least

10:15

one thing to run Cj Spinal like

10:17

the jury the kind of they want

10:19

to look at you and say last

10:22

I arrived at the yeah that one

10:24

thing okay I murray as she got

10:26

that last week. Okay so now she

10:28

has sort of the vibe. And

10:30

then she made this move last week

10:32

and I think that's in for. What

10:34

it seems to me about Maria is

10:36

that her presence I think and especially

10:38

like in comparison with Venus a little

10:40

bit. we talked a little bit about

10:42

how is in the episodes. As a

10:45

hub Venus is a little friend at

10:47

actually goes from person to proceed to

10:49

proceed and ned Maria. I. Think

10:51

when you watch her: Maria

10:53

is very stoics. Maria is

10:55

still. Maria. Is

10:58

just like so you look at her

11:00

and she solid. And you know

11:02

I even didn't like the decision that

11:04

she made. Oh god she just like

11:06

was I just. Stood.

11:08

There and like was like processing but

11:10

she wasn't like all over the place

11:13

in her eyes of it too much

11:15

on and I don't know I just

11:17

think that that is sort of like

11:20

really look. Upon. Fondly by

11:22

the other on survivor players and then

11:24

she stands with a confidence and Charlie

11:27

is just like a little bit more

11:29

in the shadows were that nobody looks

11:31

at Charlie as being the leader he

11:33

wasn't considered to be a big part

11:36

of you know vr what was going

11:38

on at See Guys. He was brought

11:40

in as sort of like though. Fourth

11:43

he was are you know okay the

11:45

women are together. Let's let's bring in

11:47

Charlie and it's Charlie. Maria have this

11:50

secret thing but on. i like everybody

11:52

or price judge or teams hold maria

11:54

they were number one so i think

11:56

that he sort of just been what's

11:58

sad is sort of like an also

12:00

ran Kind of like a nothing and

12:02

even though he's won these challenges He

12:04

kind of won them as underdogs of

12:06

sort of like okay that his he

12:08

won challenges so that we could beat

12:11

We could get out hunter we could get out Tiffany But

12:14

it was never like so much like that He

12:16

was the favorite going in to one

12:18

of these challenges that he's won And

12:20

so I think that that's interesting maybe they

12:22

never felt like the dominant challenge guy like

12:25

winning the challenge Mm-hmm. Yeah, and you know of

12:27

course you know perception is reality We had Venus

12:29

did well in the challenge like oh well Venus

12:31

is a big threat to win the challenge So

12:33

we have to go after her But I think

12:35

that Charlie has done such a really

12:38

good job so far and something

12:40

else that's interesting I thought was

12:43

that Charlie is one of the few players

12:45

that we've ever seen on survivor giving

12:48

credit for something that he did

12:50

and maybe it was because that he was

12:52

a witness to what happened with Venus

12:55

and Tevin about Who

12:57

got the credit for the soda blindside and

12:59

then saw Liz was upset that she didn't

13:01

get the credit When it

13:03

came down to it Charlie

13:06

and Maria both were involved with

13:08

the Tiffany blindside and Charlie

13:10

told multiple people hey I

13:13

was not cruise director last night. Yeah, that

13:15

was you know that was I shouldn't

13:17

be getting in credit for that And I said that

13:19

was so interesting Where credit?

13:22

Makes you a target. It's a double-edged sword Yes,

13:26

I mean and and it was really interesting

13:28

too to me how Charlie you know all

13:30

episodes like gosh that Q and Maria are

13:32

such A duo gosh, that's such a tight

13:34

duo. It's all scary that tight duo over

13:36

there You know just that way of taking

13:38

this thing that obviously Could

13:40

apply to him and like making like like

13:42

through force like sheer force of will the

13:45

narrative make it more about about Q and

13:47

Maria I wonder if um you

13:49

know Heather Cannon had suggested this like weeks and weeks ago

13:51

that Coming out of the gate

13:53

and making his whole personality basically Taylor Swift, which

13:55

you know many people derided at the time Not

13:57

to write about like okay. We get a tail

13:59

of like, I wonder if that ended up potentially

14:02

helping him slash hurting him in the other

14:04

people's perception of him, because he's not the

14:06

like, you know, sharky Harvard educated lawyer, he's

14:08

the like, quirky Taylor Swift guy. And I

14:10

mean, that was something I leaned into aggressively

14:12

and token chains of like, Oh, I'm the

14:14

fish out of water. And I was, but

14:16

you know, you don't want to be the

14:18

like, um, you know, I'm the

14:20

strategy, you know, like people like are so quick, especially

14:22

in those early days of like, which one are you,

14:24

you know, who are you and like, how do I

14:26

need to like, think about you, that for him to

14:29

come out with that as like, Oh, I'm the guy

14:31

who's like, you know, knows every single thing, like

14:33

suddenly, like, that's who he is, you know,

14:35

and I think that might have helped him,

14:37

you know, against, you know, Maria as this

14:39

sort of like, you're right, like her presence

14:41

is so like thoughtful and contemplative and like,

14:45

direct, you're like, you know, but

14:48

could hurt him in the end, right, which is like, which

14:50

would be so crazy. I can't like wrap my head around

14:52

the idea that Charlie will be a losing finalist, because I

14:54

think that it would be, um, I

14:57

think like the viewers minds would be blown. Like

15:00

we've gotten so much of his perspective that I

15:02

just, I can see him winning or like not

15:04

make or like not make finals, but like losing

15:06

finals, I just don't do it. But like, yeah,

15:08

from what Kenzie saying, like, that's a that's a

15:11

viable outcome. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about that. I

15:13

just do want to bring in one other thing

15:15

that was a discussion that you were having on

15:17

social media. Shannon Gus said, It's

15:20

dawning on me how specifically well Charlie

15:22

is set up. I feel like everyone

15:24

else is a loud target Maria Q

15:26

or lesson control and running out of

15:29

runway like Ben or Kenzie a testament

15:31

to his social game threat management, considered

15:33

timing and stellar positioning.

15:36

And you added

15:38

on best game of

15:41

the new era so far. And

15:43

then I you know, contextualize that modified

15:45

that by saying, um, you know, if

15:47

he wins, and I of course, like,

15:49

you know, in my head, I'm like, you know, D jam

15:52

jam, like, I don't know how

15:54

I'm actually curious, like, because it's fun to say

15:56

the more inflammatory thing, like, you know, you say

15:58

the superlative and then like people,

16:00

people respond to that. You

16:03

know, the more the more moderate, you

16:05

know, perspectives never get as much, you know, not anymore.

16:07

Yeah, you gotta be exactly. But I mean, you know,

16:12

Jam Jam played an amazing game, D obviously played

16:14

a great game. Like, where are all the yeah,

16:18

Marianne, I mean, Erica, very interesting game. And then

16:20

and then Gabler, they both played great games. Um,

16:23

you know, all the players played great

16:25

games. But who plays the best game,

16:27

like, I think like Jam Jam

16:29

and D played, you know, D played a good

16:31

dominant game, right? She was in the dominant alliance.

16:33

She like one challenges, she like, moved

16:36

very well from a position of strength, Jam

16:38

Jam kind of the opposite having to dodge

16:40

and weave. He like brought his people together.

16:42

Charlie. Um, I don't know, like, who

16:45

do you think played like, I mean, it's such so

16:47

hard, like best as you know, yeah, I don't know.

16:49

Okay, but who do you think? Well, who

16:51

I think has played the best? I mean, if

16:53

Charlie wins, like with those three, I mean, again, like it's

16:55

so much as how you how you play it. So it's

16:57

so hard to, to say,

16:59

and again, the rankings so so

17:02

arbitrary, so reductive. Let's let's

17:04

table that conversation. Let's have it in two

17:06

weeks if Charlie, because I really I feel

17:08

like that Charlie and I've

17:10

really loved the game

17:12

that Charlie has put

17:14

together so far as well. To

17:16

me, it's sort of like, in

17:18

some ways, like, I

17:21

find it very relatable in terms of the

17:23

way that Charlie plays the game, I think

17:25

that like, he's almost like, if Todd could

17:28

win challenges that he's really

17:30

been very, very strong so far.

17:32

But I'm wondering, Stephen, is

17:34

Charlie in between a rock

17:36

and hard place where I'm wondering,

17:38

and I want to go back

17:41

to Jesse and what happened with

17:43

Jesse and Cody, and I'm starting

17:45

to wonder, was the Jesse and Cody,

17:47

the Jesse blindside of Cody, was that

17:49

the most important thing that's happened in

17:51

the new era, because I do feel

17:53

like and we're heading into this situation

17:55

here at the final six,

17:58

and I certainly could see where

18:00

Charlie does take the shot at

18:03

Maria, the shot that's probably going

18:05

to be necessary for him to

18:07

win the game and then ultimately

18:10

ends up everybody says oh wow

18:12

now Charlie he's got got

18:14

we gotta take him out or maybe

18:17

like Jesse gets through one more vote

18:19

and then ends up losing in a

18:21

firemaking situation. I almost feel

18:23

like it's gonna be very hard

18:26

for Charlie to take the shot against

18:28

Maria and I also want to

18:30

say I don't think he made the wrong decision this

18:32

week I'm just saying that I think that he really

18:34

needs to thread a very

18:36

tiny needle here with a large

18:39

piece of rope how's that for

18:41

a metaphor? Yeah

18:44

I mean I think you know in terms of Jesse voting

18:46

out Cody I think that's like one one

18:48

of the two most significant things that happen in

18:50

the new era and the other is sort of

18:53

the counterpoint to that which is Carolyn losing to

18:55

Jam Jam I think a lot of people point

18:57

to that as being like a really significant thing

18:59

for contestants playing today because they see what happens

19:01

if you're Carolyn and you played a really great

19:03

game but you go to the finals with like

19:05

your friend who played you know

19:07

certainly was better liked whether he played a better game

19:09

like I thought so but like some don't don't

19:12

want to go into that but like the point is like

19:14

she didn't you know Jam Jam was there next to her

19:16

and she ends up losing in spite of the fact that

19:18

maybe there's a world where she where she wins that final

19:20

so um you know it's sort of a damn if you

19:23

do damn if you don't situation you know if you take

19:25

the shot and you vote out your ally then you're extremely

19:27

vulnerable if you don't take the shot then you could lose

19:29

to that person yeah um so the

19:32

I mean you know a lot of people

19:34

said Jesse should have waited and let Cody go into

19:36

fire Cody was such a dominant you know people everyone

19:38

assumes that Cody would have won that firemaking of course

19:40

you know we don't know with

19:42

with with with Gabler there

19:44

but um we

19:48

what what about Maria like do we know anything

19:50

about her firemaking skills like maybe the move Charlie

19:52

is to just sort of like a Tony and

19:54

Sarah yeah you ride that to the

19:56

end you don't even you know and you send someone

19:58

against her for fire and like do it

20:00

there. Yeah. So why I

20:03

liked this decision for Charlie this week

20:05

is that I feel like it was

20:07

not a clean move that

20:09

he could have made against Maria. He

20:11

could have like if Maria says I

20:13

want to keep Q and Charlie rounds

20:15

up the votes to take out

20:18

Q this week then now okay

20:20

his cover is blown. Maria could

20:23

well turn everybody against Charlie this

20:25

week and now somebody's going after

20:27

Charlie at this at

20:29

this next vote and now

20:31

it's at the final six. It's

20:33

not as ideal as being able

20:35

to get the clean blind side

20:38

on Maria. But Steven is the

20:40

way to do it perhaps to

20:43

be able to either

20:46

get somebody else to do it or

20:49

do it in a way that

20:51

it does not look like that you

20:54

were the person responsible for it and

20:56

then take credit for it at final

20:58

tribal council. I think that

21:00

it's so tricky to take credit for things at

21:03

final tribal that people don't like think you deserve

21:05

credit for and I think Cassidy ran into that

21:07

problem right where like you know even

21:09

if you in your head were the mastermind for a

21:11

thing like if the narrative among the contestants is that

21:13

you know you were the sidekick you weren't driving that

21:15

there's you can't go in there again at the end

21:17

go in at the end and say that was really

21:20

me unless you have the receipts in the way that

21:22

kind of the DJ to a certain degree with Austin

21:25

but but yeah it's it's

21:27

it's interesting like you

21:29

know the question I've gotten the most from

21:31

people on the street in the last two days is

21:34

why on earth would anybody vote out Venus

21:36

because everyone I assumed like this was like

21:38

the most shocking vote of the season for

21:40

me because I assume she and we've talked

21:42

about oh yeah Venus final three like whatever

21:45

she's making it no one's voting out Venus

21:47

and so many people have been saying to me you

21:49

know why what earth would you vote out Venus she

21:52

you know why would you vote out someone

21:54

who is not going to take votes away from you

21:56

the jury hates her tell

21:59

me Rob why Venus Why did they choose Venus

22:01

instead of Q? Because I would

22:04

think that according to Venus, that one,

22:07

Charlie went back and started to talk

22:09

about her advantage. And I think it

22:11

also tied back to Maria and Q,

22:14

I think, also had had it with

22:16

Venus. And so this was their

22:18

move. And so Charlie was able to have

22:21

some deference and able to continue to give

22:24

Maria and Charlie what they want

22:26

to sort of like continue to

22:28

lull them into a false sense

22:30

of security and then her just

22:32

being the wild card in terms

22:34

of having some kind of advantage

22:36

that would have been used maybe

22:38

in some way that maybe would

22:40

not have been beneficial, I think,

22:42

was ultimately the nail in the

22:44

coffin for Venus. So you're saying like

22:46

the rationale from Maria and Q's perspective was just

22:48

that like if they had had it with her,

22:50

you know, there's six days left in this game.

22:53

Is that bad? How many guys do Maria

22:55

need? She feels like, hey, I found

22:57

I found a stable goat that for

22:59

everybody else. Q, he's unpredictable.

23:02

He's Maria has been the

23:04

Q whisperer this whole season. And I

23:06

think it speaks to that she is

23:08

a straight shooter. I think that Q,

23:10

for the most part, is a straight

23:13

shooter. I think that really and maybe

23:15

people other people would feel differently. But

23:18

Maria and Q, that has been a

23:20

good match all season long. They've been

23:22

on the same page. And so I

23:24

think Maria feels like, OK, I'll go to

23:26

the end with Charlie. He's clearly my number

23:28

two. And Q, who's a

23:31

goat? That's a winning combination

23:33

for Maria, even if that she

23:35

brought Ben to the final three.

23:37

So Maria is probably the person

23:39

who can beat anybody, probably just

23:41

wants to take wild cards, specifically

23:43

wild cards with advantages out of

23:46

the game if we can. Yeah,

23:48

I agree with you. I don't think it was a

23:50

bad move for Maria and for Q, certainly, like, you

23:53

know, they've got their four and it's a good four.

23:55

They're at the final seven. They've got their four. You

23:57

know, they probably both see like a path to winning

23:59

that. for so it makes sense to try to

24:01

preserve that as much as possible Venus being sort

24:04

of I mean but here's the here's the next

24:06

question okay like apart from the uh you know

24:08

the potential of an advantage or an idol which

24:10

only was like emerged later in the game not

24:12

later in the game but like later in the

24:14

in the discussion why not

24:16

target Kenzie like why target Venus over

24:18

Kenzie? That's a great question um I

24:21

think that this wild card with an

24:23

advantage I think is probably uh the

24:25

ultimate decider but it seems like that

24:27

Kenzie did a really good job of

24:29

slipping back under the radar I really

24:31

felt like at the start of the

24:33

episode she seemed like a person she

24:36

was Tiffany's closest uh number one and

24:38

that it seemed like that she would be

24:40

the next natural person to be able to

24:43

go out of the game but

24:45

ultimately they felt like Venus

24:47

was the bigger person to target. I mean

24:49

the other thing they said was that Venus

24:51

was more competitive in immunity challenges which like

24:53

PS this has got to be one of the

24:56

all-time close calls especially for her to be

24:58

eliminated like there have been close call immunity

25:00

losses um but this has got

25:02

to be like one of the closest where the

25:04

person actually goes home after and there have been

25:06

some that are probably equally close but like this

25:08

is up there. It was wild because Venus got

25:10

to that same point like it was three different

25:12

times uh before ultimately the ball dropped and that

25:15

was a great challenge to watch in

25:17

the theater with the live audience because

25:19

every time like the ball falls off

25:23

uh so it was that

25:25

was really really intense so how

25:27

do you think Charlie needs to

25:29

play this that the next because

25:31

we're running out of time here

25:33

also where it's the final six

25:36

that presumably he

25:38

needs to take out Maria

25:41

what do you do with Q? I

25:44

think the move is to go to the end and

25:46

and beat win the final four I mean like Q

25:49

is competitive for the final four is he like Q

25:51

has not done well in the challenges I mean like

25:53

he's a strong guy but he's not done well in

25:55

the post-merge challenges according to Venus take this for what

25:57

you will Venus said that you know with Q And

26:00

the big game that he has played, Venus

26:03

felt like that if

26:05

Q got to the final three, Q

26:08

certainly has a story to tell. Yes.

26:12

A Q winning would be such a great end to this season. I

26:15

mean, it would be like, you know, he was, he has

26:17

been the character of the season, right? Yeah. Which

26:19

is, you know, it's been a season rich with characters. Yeah. And

26:22

he has had his wacky moments for

26:25

sure. And he has had

26:27

his unpredictable moments for sure. But

26:29

I believe you also commented on

26:31

the Liz and Q secret scene

26:33

from this episode, right? Yeah.

26:35

And I think like if Q won, you would think

26:38

that scene would make the actual show. Oh, you never

26:40

can tell though. Yeah.

26:43

Oh, I don't know. I mean, that's so

26:45

hard to like gauge those things. There's a

26:47

beautiful scene where basically Q approaches Liz, who we

26:49

saw this episode was extremely mad at him,

26:51

you know, was cursing his name to his

26:53

face. And then

26:55

in this beautiful secret scene, like Q goes to her

26:57

and tries to find common ground, you

26:59

know, shows a lot of empathy to her

27:01

perspective and you know, what she might be

27:04

feeling. Yeah. And seems to leave that

27:06

scene with some, you know, reproach more.

27:08

Yeah. If I could add

27:10

some backstory to that secret scene, in case you

27:12

didn't see it, Q and Liz

27:15

have this interesting, similar background.

27:18

They both have told us that they

27:20

grew up in very

27:23

poor environments. Food

27:25

scarcity was an issue for both of

27:28

them as young people. And

27:30

also both self admittedly

27:33

are the two wealthiest

27:35

people now in this cast.

27:38

So they share this like rags to

27:40

riches background based off of what both

27:42

of them have told us of Q

27:45

being a very successful real estate agent.

27:47

That was before he had the thriving

27:49

QMeo business. Forget it,

27:52

Steven. That is,

27:54

you know, billionaire at this point.

27:56

Plus then Liz, who has, you

27:59

know, you know, has all these

28:01

businesses and you know, has really is

28:03

not here for the money that

28:06

she's told us that as well. So

28:08

both of them have this background of

28:10

that being, you know, very successful business

28:12

people who came from nothing and that

28:15

Q like where Liz has this issue

28:17

with Q and she like

28:19

a sort of like started to try

28:21

to hash it out with him and

28:23

you know Q said, is it

28:26

because we both grew up poor and now

28:28

you're looking at me as I'm the guy

28:30

who gets everything because I went to Applebee's

28:32

and I had pizza like we're both business

28:34

owners. Right, right, right and is able

28:36

to like put like that you know, to

28:39

be able to inhabit her perspective like judging him and

28:41

in a way that was and like that really clearly

28:43

resonated for her was

28:46

really awesome. We don't get that in the

28:48

show. We don't give that in the show.

28:50

We get Q is pouting or Q is

28:52

like often like by himself laughing at them

28:54

and so and again and maybe this is

28:56

like to go back to something that you

28:58

said about how you know these

29:01

you know moderate takes don't necessarily like

29:03

move the needle you know in terms

29:05

of like okay well is is

29:08

you know the are these characters not

29:10

as colorful if we include this scene

29:12

in the episode. I don't know I thought it

29:14

was such a great scene and I honestly like I think

29:16

everybody should watch it was like you know this show is

29:18

all about like at least you know when the show talks

29:20

about itself it's all about like cross-cultural connections and how you

29:22

know this group of disparate people coming from different

29:25

backgrounds from around the country you know and

29:27

also from Canada they

29:29

all can come together and play this game where

29:32

they have to find common ground and also have

29:34

to build each other out and it is such

29:36

a fascinating premise but like that kind of scene

29:38

is exactly what's cool about it. You know, it's

29:40

the kind of stuff Steven that we you used

29:42

to have in the show instead of a flashback

29:45

to one person sort of like

29:47

monologuing about like what their backstory

29:49

is to see two people have

29:51

that type of interaction that you

29:53

get their backstory from them talking about

29:56

it. I mean I do think that that's

29:58

probably the more articulate way to. to be

30:00

able to paint these characters. Well,

30:02

I do like the flashback backstories, and especially

30:04

in this season and the last season, I

30:06

think they've found a nice spot where you

30:08

don't feel like we're not being hammered by

30:10

it. These are kind of like one-note flashbacks,

30:12

but I do feel like we're getting more,

30:15

we do get richness and depth from them, but

30:17

this did seem, I mean, who knows, right? Maybe,

30:19

oh, how could we lose whatever,

30:22

whatever other thing that we could see? But

30:26

I did think it was a really cool moment. And

30:28

they obviously thought so too, right? Usually the secret scenes

30:30

are things that did almost make the episode. They're usually

30:32

think, I mean, it's an edited cut scene. They obviously

30:35

put the time and care into making this a scene

30:37

because they believed in it. It probably was cut from

30:39

the episode late, and there was probably a good reason

30:41

for it that we're not seeing. Yeah. How about Maria's

30:44

decision to take

30:47

the people, to take

30:49

Ben and Q to go have pizza

30:51

after winning the challenge? So

30:53

I have a slightly disparate take, from

30:56

what I've seen. Most people are like, oh my gosh,

30:58

this is so bad of Maria. Here's the thing about

31:00

these challenge decisions. No matter what you do, no matter

31:02

how you do it, people are gonna complain. Like if

31:04

Maria had had a snap, they're like, oh my gosh,

31:06

she took so much time to make us, if she

31:08

had a snap judgment, hey, it's gonna be these two,

31:10

people would have been pissed about that. How could she

31:12

be so dismissive of us? How could she do it

31:15

so quickly when she knows it means so much to

31:17

us? No matter what you do,

31:19

there's always gonna be a reason about how you

31:21

did it wrong. It's like a breakup, you're never gonna

31:23

do it right. The person you broke up with is never gonna

31:25

say, thank you, you handled that so beautifully. They're

31:28

always gonna be like, how could you have done it in

31:30

that precise way? That was exactly the wrong way. Yeah. I

31:32

don't think, I mean, there's an argument to be made that

31:34

the Rock Paper Scissors is good. It does take it out

31:36

of her hands. Obviously,

31:40

the contestants didn't feel that way. I just think that people

31:42

left behind were never going to be happy with how she

31:45

did it. If she had just said like, Q, you're

31:48

an important ally for me, like would they have been happy

31:50

with that? No, and also like people were like, why take

31:52

Q at all? And I have been in

31:54

a situation where you do have to placate people. Part

31:57

of winning a reward is not just like... She

32:00

said the thing about like I'm I'm I want to do

32:02

the most do this in the most saintly way And now

32:04

is I agree with I agree with venus there like that

32:06

was probably not a useful gloss to put on it when

32:08

she Listed there when q was one

32:10

of the two people but you know in terms of like

32:12

picking q like She her game

32:15

is dependent on keeping him happy. Her game is

32:17

not dependent on keeping venus happy. So yes, bring

32:19

q All right. I want to start

32:21

off with uh, some grace for maria in this

32:24

Situation because first off this this

32:27

was not a reward challenge. This

32:29

was right an immunity challenge And

32:31

this was as we saw a

32:33

long tough challenge So if I'm coming

32:35

to need to win, yes And she needed to

32:37

win and if I'm coming into an immunity challenge,

32:39

I don't know if I necessarily have in my

32:41

head Who are the people like

32:44

you don't know what the reward is? You

32:46

don't know necessarily that there will be a

32:48

reward attached to the immunity challenge. Maria is

32:50

coming in Okay, like hey, I just made

32:52

this big move maybe I gotta like really

32:54

either I need another win

32:56

or I gotta make sure this person doesn't

32:58

win. And so then jeff springs on you

33:00

Okay, you are also going to get to

33:02

have pizza And

33:04

so I don't know if maria has

33:06

thought through the people that she is

33:08

taking with her for the pizza reward

33:11

And then you know now cut to

33:13

maybe an hour later the challenge is

33:15

over Adrenaline is like coursing

33:17

through your body of like you just did

33:20

this you have the russia Dailies just like

33:22

all right now. I need a decision And

33:25

so I do think that you know

33:27

maria then tried to talk it through and

33:29

I think that what her intention was

33:31

probably to I want to give everybody

33:33

consideration That i'm thinking of

33:35

thinking of this But you know

33:37

when we go back to like monica

33:39

kolpepper in survivor blood versus water whereas

33:41

like tyson and jervis We're very much

33:44

like okay. This is what the alliance

33:46

is like. Okay, we're not doing this

33:48

Monica would always like hear out the other side

33:50

and would like all right. Let me think about

33:52

it. Let me okay Let me think about it.

33:54

Uh, it's close. It's close But then always would

33:56

end up siding with jervis and tyson and

33:58

then at the end of the day The jury

34:00

was bitter with Monica of like hey you

34:02

let us on you let us write that

34:05

there was a chance and then you just

34:07

Went ahead and did what you had to

34:09

do so I think on the one hand

34:11

is like oh, I'll make it seem like

34:13

okay Everybody I'm thinking of everybody there's

34:15

a chance But then

34:17

ultimately it ended up like being like

34:19

more of a tease right I think

34:21

that it was probably was Ben was

34:23

a good Pick I think that Liz

34:25

was probably the the better especially considering

34:27

from a strategic point of view I

34:29

know Maria is very close with Q But Q

34:31

himself even says like I just went to Applebee's like

34:34

like with the one thing we know that Q's he's

34:36

an erratic player Okay, and he could be like oh

34:38

my gosh. You didn't take us one of the six

34:40

on the reward You know big and

34:42

I took you to Applebee's right Yeah, I

34:45

think like you I don't know if I think picking Q was the

34:47

right choice I agree that like some of the context she made it

34:49

she put around it I would have picked you in that in that

34:51

spot because like Q is one of her

34:53

number like she needs to keep that for it

34:55

It's the final seven. Yeah, it is the final

34:57

seven and that basically that she's taking Ben She

34:59

knows she's not worried about Charlie, and maybe she should

35:01

be But okay I

35:04

think it probably especially because Liz was like the

35:06

extra person on that last vote that maybe there

35:08

is a chance to shore that Up also that

35:10

like hey Liz you voted with us last night.

35:12

Let's like you know continue

35:14

to build that relationship and so then

35:18

Especially when she started with well, I need to

35:20

talk about who needs it the most That

35:23

was probably that was a mistake I mean it but like you

35:25

know she didn't like like you're saying in this moment of you

35:27

know And ultimately it didn't

35:29

end up mattering for anything because I mean

35:32

and maybe it's a different story of Maria

35:34

isn't immune But I think that people

35:36

were coming from Maria whether she gave

35:39

the reward away or not But it

35:41

was just another it to have these

35:43

two episodes back-to-back where reward decisions Turned

35:46

out to be so controversial. I

35:48

mean what us what us throwback

35:50

to old-school survivors truly It's really

35:52

fun this season and you know

35:54

kudos to Charlie too for removing

35:57

himself from the decision You know both

35:59

as a way to kind of put the heat up on Maria

36:01

a little bit more and as a

36:03

way to stay back with the losers. I

36:05

could not have done that. I think that is probably

36:07

the correct strategic decision here. A,

36:10

you're sort of nominally making it easier for Maria, but

36:12

you're also kind of making it harder for her. But

36:14

B, you get to stay back with the losers who

36:17

are always bitter. They're always like, we gotta get those

36:19

people out. And you know there's gonna be

36:21

four losers and three winners this time. I

36:24

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36:30

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take some of the questions that we got from

37:40

the listeners. And so, let

37:43

me start with Kristen who says, is

37:45

Venus the fifth person this season to

37:47

go home with an idol in her

37:49

pocket? What is making people so comfortable

37:51

that they feel like they don't need

37:53

to play the idol? And how could

37:55

they possibly still feel so comfortable when

37:57

so many people before them have been

37:59

blindsided? So this is such an

38:01

interesting question and it's so interesting that three

38:04

in a row basically the exact same story

38:07

Q is definitely going home. We know it's Q. I'm

38:09

sure it's Q. Oops You're blindside with an idol in

38:11

your pocket three times in a row. So great. Hope

38:13

it happens of course But

38:15

but I think I'll put the idol back out there.

38:17

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They got are you kidding with this

38:19

with this run? Of course, but they're probably idols in

38:21

every tree. Um But

38:24

you know so Jeff's addressed this on his

38:26

podcast Which you know, I listened to the

38:28

clip and he said that the the thing

38:31

that is making this happen is great gameplay

38:33

Is that your readout Rob is is that

38:35

what's happening here great gameplay? Um,

38:38

I will could you expand on that? What way

38:40

he said that the trend of people

38:43

going out with idols in their pockets

38:45

is great gameplay Hmm. His

38:48

point was that it takes a lot

38:50

of great gameplay to convince someone that

38:52

they are safe Even as they seem

38:54

the exact same thing happen Yeah I

38:57

Was being somewhat good because like, you know the

38:59

idea that the game plays

39:01

that's such a high level that's that's three

39:03

people in a row Made the exact same

39:06

boneheaded blunder. I think the overthinking is at

39:08

an all-time high. So Cuz

39:12

I you know when I when I recry says Jeff I feel like someone

39:14

some guilt about that because you know, give me one of the most amazing

39:16

experiences in my life. Um It

39:20

does it is true that it takes a lot

39:22

of great gameplay to actually pull the wool over

39:24

someone's eyes because they are Asking themselves the same

39:26

question. They are aware. Hey, this just happened to

39:28

this person So to be able to so thoroughly

39:30

convince them like that. I do think there is

39:32

some great gameplay there Yeah, okay so I was

39:35

thinking about this earlier today as I was

39:37

getting ready for the podcast and I was

39:39

thinking like okay So in the meta of

39:41

where we are now like is

39:43

the move to sort of like Allah

39:46

of Venus? imply okay,

39:48

like I've got you know, I've got

39:50

something like maybe we could use it

39:52

and then Actually

39:55

use it where it's almost like Taking

39:59

the shot on you you by setting by

40:01

it was sort of like like letting

40:03

it slip out that you have it

40:05

it's almost kind of like a reverse

40:07

like Parvati and Amanda right you know

40:09

sort of like okay well cuz that

40:11

the player because everybody is like salivating

40:13

oh it's like oh we'll blindside them

40:15

they have an idol we'll get them

40:17

tonight we'll put the votes on them

40:19

they're never gonna expect it and

40:22

then you as the idol holder now get

40:24

to have this moment where the thing about

40:26

the idol is you never know when or

40:29

how the votes are coming at you but

40:32

what if you leaked that you had

40:35

the idol to sort of bluff

40:37

them into thinking like oh I like me oh

40:39

no maybe I don't just kidding and

40:42

then you know now that they're going to

40:44

come for you and then you do play

40:46

the idol correctly dang and

40:48

then next week they vote you out but you had

40:50

such a big move last week yeah but then I

40:54

started thinking about okay but why

40:56

did it work for Tiffany the one

40:58

time or maybe that sort of like

41:01

the the tipping point of like okay

41:03

we're just gonna go for these people

41:06

because if they say they have an

41:08

idol and they're gonna play it they're

41:10

probably trying to keep it for another

41:13

round how did Tiffany earlier this season

41:15

pull it off successfully where then hunter

41:17

Tiffany herself and Venus all

41:19

failed well I mean with

41:21

Tiffany there was also hunter right I mean Tiffany

41:24

you know you had hunter in that exact same

41:26

tribal council who was you know

41:28

also had an idol so if it wasn't it you know one

41:30

of them was gonna be able to last that that tribal council

41:32

with their idol but but that

41:34

was the trouble console hunter was voted out at so they

41:37

people knew he had an idol which he has alluded

41:39

to and he also

41:41

was this huge immunity threat that they

41:43

felt they needed to get out immediately

41:45

okay all right Lorenzo

41:47

in the chat says does Charlie have

41:50

fishback downside at final tribal council doing

41:52

a good job getting and

41:56

making moves in the shadows that the jury will not be

41:58

able to identify and pinpoint as easily Yeah,

42:01

I mean, I do think there is that

42:03

risk for Charlie. I would just be so

42:05

sure. I mean, just from like, again,

42:08

I have certainly misread the edit basically

42:10

consistently in the last six seasons. But,

42:12

um, that being said, I do

42:15

think that I would,

42:18

Charlie has been such the dominant strategic narrator, certainly of

42:21

like the recent part of the game, that I would

42:23

be so surprised if he made it to the end.

42:25

It didn't win. Like, I think everyone would

42:27

have a lot of trouble unless we really see like

42:29

a series of obvious boneheaded moose

42:31

room. I mean, do you agree with

42:33

that take, Rob? I agree with it.

42:36

But I do wonder just in the

42:38

meta of like where we are, and

42:40

as sort of like the most sophisticated

42:42

viewers of this television show that there

42:44

are, that is the

42:47

fact that Charlie is getting this edit, maybe

42:51

a bad signal that

42:53

Charlie will be that

42:55

Jesse type player, the you

42:58

should have one guy. Yeah.

43:00

I hope that he does win. Yeah.

43:03

Wow. You're rooting against the rest of them. Um,

43:08

Charlie in a very important draft.

43:11

No, but I really, I love, I love the, the, the

43:14

gameplay style from Charlie because to

43:16

me that is like inherently survivor

43:18

of the person who is sort

43:21

of like the more of the

43:23

underdog, you know, waiting in the

43:26

shadows to strike who is very,

43:28

you know, carefully in a

43:31

little finger esque way, manipulating what's

43:33

going on and people don't really

43:35

know it's him giving great

43:37

confessionals to the camera. He's

43:39

one challenges as well. So I

43:41

really, I'm, I'm really

43:44

just so it's such a

43:46

fan of what Charlie has been able to

43:48

do, but I'm almost worrying that we've seen

43:50

too much of what he's doing. like

44:00

an Omer, like a Jesse, like

44:03

a Carson, you

44:05

know, trying to go last season, who

44:07

it could have been. And less

44:09

so because D, you know, did play this game, but you know, maybe

44:11

Gerudo was sort of, but not really. Drew's just like more of the

44:14

archetype. He's not really, he wasn't that character in terms of like owning

44:16

the strategy of the show. But

44:18

like, yeah, I mean, last season that

44:20

person did sort of win, you know, like D kind of was

44:22

that person. So, you

44:24

know, and he had a lot of confessionals. And I

44:26

mean, honestly, that was one of the reasons I didn't

44:29

think he was going to win was 45 in the

44:31

anomaly in the new era. And that it was like

44:33

a tight alliance and not this game of like, take

44:35

out the like king of the pack. Yeah.

44:38

Yeah. I mean, that is my take

44:40

has been my take pretty consistently is that like, Charlie

44:43

has like Omer downside, really, or, you know,

44:45

or Jesse downside, that he has been such

44:47

a consistent, you know, strategic narrator that like,

44:49

we've seen like over and over again, this

44:52

season, that that person getting

44:54

get eliminated basically at the, you know,

44:56

in the finale, sort of at the

45:00

end, but, or right before the phone. But but,

45:03

um, do you think here's the real question related

45:05

to that, Rob, let's say that happens to Charlie,

45:08

you know, fire loser, or, you know, blindsided, like

45:10

Maria gets wise to him and blindsides him with

45:12

the final six, which would be a good move.

45:15

It would be a good move. Who gets a spot

45:17

on 50, Jesse or Charlie? I

45:19

personally, I think that they're different archetypes. I really,

45:21

I don't think that they're competing for the same

45:23

spot. I

45:26

think that Charlie could have a

45:28

tough road back to season 50,

45:30

because I feel like that, um,

45:33

you know, like really, when

45:35

you, when you put together this cast, now it's

45:37

more of a puzzle than it's ever been before

45:39

when you're doing these all star cast, because you

45:42

have the diversity initiative. And so, you know, you

45:44

have a lot of people that, you know, people

45:46

are talking about, okay, well, you're probably gonna have

45:48

this person, probably gonna have this person, but I

45:50

think you're going to start to run out of

45:52

spots. But I think

45:54

that Charlie would be worthy of another run,

45:56

but I think that he may have his.

46:00

Is work cut out for him in

46:02

terms of like maybe going up against

46:04

some other like maybe more colorful personalities?

46:07

Mmm, like even though the game is extremely

46:09

strong. Yeah, that's interesting. Um,

46:12

I think I think yeah I mean it's that's

46:14

you're right and also like especially like with that

46:16

sort of like strategic play archetype Like, you know,

46:18

is it you know Christian who gets that spot

46:20

instead or or devins? But anyway, that's why I

46:22

was just being I was just trying to you

46:24

know, put you in that in the hot seat.

46:26

Okay, um Yeah

46:29

But I think he's also fighting in

46:31

the same spot maybe against you know, somebody

46:34

like a Xander, uh, you know who somebody

46:36

I Who I think would

46:38

be you know a good person to bring My

46:40

gender like you've been like even since since in

46:42

his season you've been very close and her is

46:45

returning kind of who I mean Yeah, yeah Like

46:48

he was I mean, he's very, you know handsome,

46:50

but I you know, he are

46:52

they gonna cast him again? I don't know.

46:54

I think honestly it's I do

46:57

not envy the position of the person that has to

46:59

put this together But maybe we'll do

47:01

a couple of podcasts about it at some point down

47:03

the road. Let's see. Yeah, okay Um,

47:05

all right, then how

47:07

about from Sarah Sparkman? What

47:10

in the 10s ease pass forward? I think we

47:12

have three possible outcomes for this season Steven. Okay,

47:15

I think we have the possibility of a Maria

47:18

win and so that world is Maria

47:20

keeps her four together. They go to like she kind

47:23

of like maybe takes out Charlie stalwartly,

47:25

you know Charges

47:27

forward Honestly

47:32

Maria takes out Charlie. Yeah, I feel like that

47:34

she wins the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

47:36

I think that's a game-winning move for her Yeah,

47:39

and maybe that is why Charlie has been or

47:41

one of the reasons Charlie has been such a

47:43

big character is like we show It like that's

47:45

often what that happens, right? Like we see the person

47:47

who beats the big character that person ends up waiting.

47:49

Yeah I mean ultimately that's Maria's signature move of

47:51

that. We take out Charlie. Yeah I mean that was

47:53

what Gabler did taking out Jesse. We saw that I

47:56

mean, you know jam jam took out Carson, of

47:58

course, you have a lot of moves. Okay Second

48:01

scenario, Charlie takes out Maria and

48:03

Charlie wins, but I think that's

48:05

a third scenario. And I

48:07

think that this is how it would play out. Charlie

48:10

takes out Maria and then

48:13

the rest of the

48:15

people left... Vote out Charlie.

48:17

Vote out Charlie or Charlie doesn't win or

48:19

somebody beats Charlie in firemaking. Or

48:22

Kenzie beats Charlie in firemaking. Or

48:24

Kenzie beats Charlie in firemaking or Kenzie

48:26

takes out Charlie and that's her big

48:28

move. But I feel like that the

48:30

third possible scenario... I don't think you

48:33

would win even though that would be

48:35

highly entertaining and I would love it.

48:37

I don't think that Ben has a

48:40

serious shot to win. I don't think that Liz

48:42

at this point has a serious shot to win.

48:44

I think that the third possibility is a Kenzie

48:46

win. Yeah,

48:48

I agree with that. I think that's right. Okay.

48:52

So yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.

48:56

How would you feel about that? Great.

48:58

I mean, I think she's, you know, again, she's got a

49:00

great story, you know, starting at Yanu.

49:03

You know, she, you know, really influential

49:05

in the early merge. I mean, she

49:07

has kind of like taken a real

49:09

backseat easily. Yeah, but maybe ultimately... That's

49:11

the spot to be in. Maybe she

49:13

gets Q out. Maybe that's her, you

49:15

know, her payback. Yeah. I

49:18

mean, so much just matters about, you know,

49:20

what you do at the end and who

49:22

you're sitting next to. Mermaid, dragon. Okay. Yeah.

49:26

Steven, anything else on

49:28

your mind about Survivor heading into

49:30

our penultimate episode next

49:32

week? No,

49:36

no. Fishy this

49:38

week. Well, let's talk about it, Rob. Who gets

49:40

the fishy this week? I mean, I think you

49:42

have to give it to Charlie. I don't really

49:44

even know who else. But he like, I mean,

49:46

he sussed out the Venus Idol, but ultimately he

49:48

went along with Maria's plan. I

49:51

mean, you can't give it to Maria because she did seem

49:53

to squander so much, you know, so much social capital. I

49:55

mean, what was interesting to me was Charlie almost got credit

49:58

for Maria's move last week. Confessionals

50:00

from Charlie being like I gave that move

50:02

to her He felt like credit in the

50:04

confessional but not to the other players. That's

50:06

the move. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah All

50:08

right. Let's say Charlie. I don't think I made the right

50:10

choice do it But

50:13

there's a world where this is a

50:15

game losing move, you know vis-a-vis Monica

50:17

Culpepper, you know This could be Charlie's

50:19

Monica Culpepper moment where he dangles this

50:21

promise to all the other contestants and

50:24

then um And then

50:26

like is like well, I'm actually with everybody. I mean

50:28

it was Ultimately, this was a

50:30

six to one vote against Venus with the one

50:34

You know protection against the idol that then

50:36

put a vote on Kenzie Yeah,

50:38

let's talk about that because every

50:40

single episode people are doing the idol slash shot

50:42

in the dark protection and every single episode People

50:44

are like why did this person have a stray

50:46

vote? It is always the shot in the dark

50:49

or the idol protection is yeah in this case

50:51

I think it was the she said she had

50:53

something just in case Shannon

50:55

said something interesting. Well, I think more maybe well,

50:57

I guess maybe more shot in the dark though

50:59

because like I know you know She's voting. Oh,

51:02

they said she thought she was part of a four

51:04

against the three I don't think she would do the

51:06

shot in the dark and that's bad But I'm just

51:08

saying like if you know she's voting and not voting

51:10

for you You don't need to spend your vote on

51:13

her if she's playing an idol because I don't take

51:15

away your vote The extra of hinky vote is shot

51:17

in the dark protection because that person doesn't vote

51:20

The extra hinky vote is shot in the dark protection Theoretically,

51:23

right if it's just an idol play Ben

51:25

doesn't and Ben does not believe that he's

51:27

voting for her for him I mean

51:29

you there's still a world where Ben votes that way The

51:32

Kenzie vote but like then you're out in the optimal

51:34

Posit move if you believe that Venus is not voting

51:36

for you is not to put Kenzie's name out there

51:39

because that puts You do

51:41

want to do that? Oh, go ahead. Okay, can I put

51:43

Shannon's? Idea I want

51:45

to get your take on this that

51:47

okay so that Ben put one vote

51:49

on Kenzie and Shannon was Speculating

51:52

that okay the vote Hypothetically Venus

51:54

plays her idol all the votes

51:56

against Venus get canceled now. The

51:58

vote is vote Q one

52:00

vote Kenzie that's good. I like that.

52:03

Shannon had said that she thought on

52:05

the revote they take out Q. That's

52:07

good. That or take out Kenzie. That

52:10

Shannon's Shannon's was positing that

52:12

on the revote they would

52:15

take out Q. But

52:17

why if the point of Ben putting Kenzie's

52:19

name out there would be to take out

52:21

Kenzie on the revote because well here's name

52:23

is already out there from Venus's vote. I

52:26

mean you wouldn't need well you could but

52:28

this could be a sneaky way to take

52:30

out Q. Ben is no fan of Q.

52:33

That he felt like that Venus was

52:35

more of a poser but

52:37

he Ben has been you know pretty

52:39

adamant he is not a fan of

52:41

Q and that potentially you

52:44

know Q could have gone home on

52:46

the revote. I'm gonna get stuck

52:48

on this because it doesn't make sense right. He wouldn't

52:50

you wouldn't put the Kenzie name out there because Q's

52:53

name is already out there. If your goal is to

52:55

get Q out then all you need is the idle play

52:57

and the Q vote. You don't need his like Kenzie

52:59

vote for a revote. That's what we get rid of

53:01

Kenzie. Okay so that basically you would just leave

53:03

it in the hands of six to one. Yeah well

53:05

because like him voting Kenzie doesn't facilitate Q getting

53:08

voted out if facilitate Kenzie getting voted out. Yeah that's

53:10

a good point. Maybe

53:12

she was saying that? No

53:15

that was not what she was saying. I'm telling you

53:17

what she said and

53:20

then you punch the hole in it. Okay. Well

53:22

maybe the plan was Kenzie if Venus plays her

53:25

idle. I mean honestly that's a great that's a

53:27

great read. She just you know that's just the

53:29

end getting used to just get slightly tweaked. Okay.

53:32

Stephen what else is coming up for you? I'm

53:35

just waiting till next week you know it's gonna

53:37

be pacing my apartment again waiting waiting waiting. Okay

53:40

waiting for the next episode of

53:42

Survivor? Yeah okay. The big one.

53:45

All right well congratulations to Charlie

53:47

winner of the coveted fishy award.

53:49

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53:52

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53:54

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53:57

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54:11

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54:15

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54:17

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54:19

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54:21

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54:23

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54:25

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54:30

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54:32

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