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Yeah. That's

2:27

right, everybody. It's the patrol

2:30

here on mole Mondays here

2:32

on Rob has a podcast

2:34

talking about the final two episodes

2:37

of the first season of Netflix's The

2:39

Mall. We found The Mall and

2:41

we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about everything that

2:43

happened in these last two episodes. We'll talk about the season

2:46

as a whole. We've got a whole

2:48

mess of feedback from all of you

2:50

out there about the mall season

2:52

one. We're gonna have a party tonight on

2:54

Monday. Maybe special surprises. Who

2:56

knows? We'll see surprises to me,

2:58

prizes to you. It's gonna be a great

3:00

time. Very excited to be here. Of course, I am Josh

3:02

Wiggler. I am not alone here on the

3:04

snowy mountains of Moll. Monday,

3:07

first and foremost, Brooklyn's Ed. How are you

3:09

doing, Ed? Hello. I'm I'm great.

3:11

I'm excited to be here. I'm excited that the

3:13

mold has garnered so much attention.

3:16

on Netflix and on the James garnered

3:18

so much attention. It's neither

3:20

here nor there. It's kinda like the mall.

3:22

Yeah. Yeah. alias is very similar to the mall. alias

3:24

is like the dramatized. of them all.

3:26

Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, garnered

3:28

lots of attention. Incredible. Yes.

3:30

I did.

3:31

Lee's, Jess, It's over

3:34

another season of the mall in the books.

3:36

Another one bites the dust. Is

3:38

there a continuum so like

3:41

It's like a continuum of prestige. We're

3:43

on one end. You've got a bunch of people playing among

3:45

us, and then you have the bowl, and then

3:47

you have alias.

3:48

Aelise is, like, the far

3:50

prestigious end of this spectrum. Is

3:52

that something or something on the other side of

3:54

that? There's definitely like, there's, like, probably,

3:56

like, one of those, like, Tinker Taylor soldiers

3:59

spies. Yeah. And that's probably

4:01

where you're gonna go, which I believe may have

4:03

even been a reference point for the mall

4:05

this season based some of the interviews. I've been reading

4:07

lots of great interviews out there. And now

4:09

that the bowl contestants can speak, it's pretty

4:11

fun time out there on social media if you're

4:13

a fan of the bowl right now. Of

4:16

course, the mole patrol, we

4:18

got together for the very first time

4:20

back when we were talking about season

4:22

one. In twenty twenty, it had

4:24

been my first time going through the mall.

4:26

Jeff and said, you were veterans

4:28

of the mall. You had seen it all the way

4:30

through top to bottom. I had

4:32

never seen it before.

4:34

I shot called the mole on the

4:36

first episode of that season, and I

4:38

felt very

4:38

good about it. And I bragged about

4:41

it all the way through season two.

4:43

I did not get the mall this season,

4:45

but the newest member of the mall

4:47

patrol. Go. Pop

4:50

them out of the sky on episode

4:52

one, bring them in, rub

4:54

Cassie Ternino. Yes.

4:56

Yes. Okay. Well,

4:58

you

4:58

guys figured out that I'm be here today,

5:01

everybody, because there was a clue.

5:04

There was a clue

5:05

on the website

5:07

Rob has a website dot com.

5:10

If you look at the first three letters

5:12

of the URL, it spells

5:14

out my name, R0B

5:18

which was the

5:20

clue that I was gonna be here. Which is

5:22

very strange. I thought that we were supposed to

5:24

rob hasa website. Now we're supposed

5:26

to run a heist on hasa website

5:28

dot com. Hasa website is my

5:30

maiden name. Yes.

5:34

Will do again? Yeah.

5:36

Oh my god. Got me.

5:38

fooled me. We have

5:41

a a panel here to talk about all things

5:43

the mole. We must have a very

5:45

excited person in Rob's

5:47

history. You know, who does indeed have

5:49

a podcast that you all should be subscribed to. If

5:51

you are not already subscribed, make sure you're

5:53

subscribed to rhJP, reality TV, were halfups,

5:55

the mobile patrol feed, just in case

5:57

there's any more moral surprises along the

5:59

way here in the post season. And of course,

6:01

you should be watching along live. Hopefully,

6:03

you are. You're with us on mobile Mondays. We

6:05

are live on RHAP's YouTube

6:07

page with a really fun group of people

6:09

who are gonna be commenting live. It's gonna be a

6:11

good time. Rob,

6:12

you just gotta be really feeling it. You

6:14

got the mall. You got the mall podcasts.

6:17

Mhmm. What time to be alive? Yeah.

6:19

Look You know, I think we all

6:21

had reached the same conclusion

6:23

by the end of week two.

6:26

And I think we went into the last two digits

6:28

of, like, okay. Well, let's see if, you

6:30

know, they they shock the world, but

6:32

the final two episodes did go pretty much

6:35

according to 4II guess, the the

6:37

surprise is ultimately that

6:39

Will is the winner and not Jordan?

6:42

Yes. Or

6:42

even Avery, probably That's

6:45

something. Big Jack. for me. Yeah. So

6:47

just to do the headlines supremely

6:49

quickly. Will is the winner?

6:51

Joy is the runner up?

6:53

Kathy is the mall.

6:56

Jacob has gone in the first episode of

6:58

this last batch of the mall. Avery

7:00

has gone shortly after was very surprised by that

7:02

and also to get an elimination in an episode.

7:04

And then I think the biggest shock of them

7:06

all said that the finale was

7:08

like a half hour. is, like,

7:10

thirty five minutes. You're like, here's a here's

7:12

a final attempt to put money in the pot,

7:14

which, of course, you're gonna do about as well as you've

7:16

done the whole time. At the

7:18

end, Yeah. Jess, how do we

7:20

only have two episodes this past

7:22

week and one of them is thirty five minutes?

7:24

How does how does this how does anyone get away

7:26

with this? Well, I

7:27

think we were saying last week that

7:29

it's Netflix, they could make them as long as they

7:31

want, but apparently

7:34

Netflix took this to heart the

7:35

wrong way. Yeah. They sabotaged to

7:37

themselves, they think. Yes. Mhmm. Netflix

7:39

is the bowl.

7:40

Rob, is this through your nothing

7:42

but Netflix Connect? actions that you

7:44

said Netflix don't worry. Give us a shorter

7:46

episode. Multitrol will have your

7:48

back on Monday night. We will extend

7:50

this thing so much further than you

7:52

could possibly imagine. You know, honestly,

7:56

this is the least of my issues with

7:58

Netflix this week. Chappell and

8:00

I just covered the easy bake

8:02

battle on Redneck Netflix. So

8:04

I bet. By by comparison, we

8:06

have no qualms. We have no qualms

8:08

with what's going on on the mall.

8:10

Yeah. only scraping the bottom of the barrel

8:12

there, Rob. Well, no. Nothing but Netflix.

8:15

Yeah. That's where you have to

8:17

go. Just if I told you that

8:19

an Easy Bay oven is nowhere to

8:21

be found on this show. You'd

8:23

be surprised. Right? You know, my

8:25

suggestion goes to Chappell every week.

8:27

And he's like, Rob's not gonna watch that. Rob's not

8:29

gonna watch that. And yet, you will watch We

8:32

shouldn't know. We shouldn't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

8:34

It's a bait and switch. So

8:36

the goal, best thing you saw in Netflix this

8:38

past weekend, you would say, Rob. Far no

8:40

way. Yeah. Yes. Barn away. Okay. Well, we got a

8:42

lot to talk about here. I think that doing

8:44

sort of the straight recap that we've done these

8:46

past few weeks is probably pretty

8:48

boring. Maybe my high take is

8:50

like, you know, other than

8:52

Avery getting eliminated in

8:54

that second and last episode,

8:56

this all plays pretty straight down

8:58

the line. I think we left last week's

9:00

mall Monday saying, whoever

9:03

goes of Joy and Jacob, if Jacob

9:05

if Jacob sticks around, then maybe

9:07

he is indeed still the mall, but the second

9:09

that he leaves, we could feel pretty good

9:11

that Cassie is the mall just at

9:13

any point through

9:14

these final four. Like, the final four people that

9:17

we've got, Did you wave her? Did the show

9:19

do anything to put you on the path

9:21

of joy, of will?

9:23

Was anything there at all of Avery

9:25

while she was around, or was it pretty much Kasey

9:27

all the way down the line for you. I

9:28

think if anything, it was more and

9:31

more Kasey. It was like it

9:33

was like towards the end of

9:35

a game where you're supposed to figure out the

9:37

answer, and they just start,

9:39

like, they just start feeding you the

9:41

answer. It's like they wanted us to guess.

9:43

They wanted us to know and they wanted us to

9:45

be so sure of it by the end that

9:47

they were all but, like, pointing

9:49

big arrows on

9:50

Kazi saying, Momo Momo

9:52

Momo. Mhmm. And

9:54

Yep.

9:54

Sure. No. For Moe.

9:56

I kinda liked it. I

9:58

kinda liked it. Oh, Moe.

10:03

I really liked it. I really liked

10:05

it. I did. I thought it was fun.

10:07

But I do think that those final

10:09

couple of episodes, Rob. Probably pretty obvious.

10:11

I don't know how much it would have been if we were just, you know, not

10:13

picking this apart every week, but I feel like everyone

10:15

out there too that we've been in contact with. It's

10:17

like, yeah, the show is letting us know. It's constantly

10:19

pretty much demoed. I mean, when

10:20

you when you get to dumping

10:23

all of the ice blocks off of the

10:25

sled -- No, ma'am. Mhmm. --

10:27

very visibly obligated to do it at

10:29

that point. Yeah. Yeah. I I think that

10:31

there were definitely, like, highs and lows.

10:33

I think that one of the things that might have

10:35

been a little disappointing was

10:37

just how obvious it

10:39

was that Kashi

10:42

was the mold. But to us, but I

10:44

think that there was, like, a little bit of a disconnect

10:46

because to

10:48

the other players, and I guess, based off of,

10:50

like, you know, in some of the exit

10:52

interviews, it sounds like that maybe

10:54

that maybe there was more suspicion

10:56

of Cassie. that the the players

10:58

all seemed like, you

11:00

know, pretty surprised. It seemed like the Cassie had

11:02

a lot of people faked out along

11:04

the way. I I think that Cassie was actually

11:06

probably a pretty good mole to

11:08

the other players in the game. I think the

11:11

disconnect was that I don't know

11:13

if Cassie was such a

11:15

great mole to us,

11:17

the viewers, in selling

11:19

her molliness to us.

11:21

her holiness. That sounds like a, like,

11:23

a title that's supposed to be her

11:26

holiness. Her race. Her

11:28

holiness. How much of that is really

11:30

on causey though? I

11:31

feel like

11:32

if Netflix wants us to have a harder

11:35

time guessing, Netflix could

11:37

do a better job. And I

11:39

mean, Rob, you know better than anybody on

11:41

this panel. When you

11:42

are in the middle of a show

11:45

being filmed,

11:46

your reality is very different from the

11:49

reality that -- Sure. -- will end up watching in

11:51

the end. And I

11:53

think it is testament to

11:55

exactly how

11:58

true that is that there

11:59

were people in the end of this game that

12:02

still did not know who the mole

12:04

was. That that floored me

12:06

because I think and

12:08

now, zed, Josh,

12:10

you guys can correct me on this.

12:12

But as we were

12:14

watching the o g moles,

12:15

the Cooper moles, as it

12:17

as it were, it seemed

12:19

like by the end Everybody

12:21

left in the game knew who the mole was,

12:23

who was not the mole themselves. And

12:26

it was just down to, like, who was doing the quiz

12:28

the fastest, and who was you know, who was

12:30

remembering every little tiny detail. Right.

12:32

Yeah. And here, it's like literally

12:34

everybody was splitting their votes

12:36

throughout the entirety of the game. I

12:38

think part of it with

12:39

that is that the quiz was twenty

12:42

questions rather than ten. I think in

12:44

the first season of the OGMole. They were

12:46

twenty questions, and after that, it went down

12:48

to ten. But when

12:50

you have more questions, you have

12:52

that flexibility to split your answers

12:54

probability wise a

12:56

little more, whereas ten questions

12:58

are gonna be less forgiving and I think you

13:00

have to target a little more specifically.

13:03

But I would agree with you that I

13:05

think the edit did not do as favors

13:07

as viewers trying to solve

13:09

a mystery because there wasn't really

13:11

a mystery to solve. Yeah. I mean,

13:13

I do appreciate that we end up

13:15

in a final three where two

13:17

of the the non bowl competitors

13:20

are, you know, split on

13:22

who the mall is. So I think,

13:24

like, the dramatizing the quiz

13:26

has always been the weak point for the

13:28

mall as far as been concerned with the with

13:30

the seasons of the show that I've watched, but I

13:32

think that when you have it at the end of

13:34

the line where you have will and

13:36

joy who are split on who the mole

13:38

is and you have them answer that

13:40

question of who is the mole differently?

13:42

I think it's fun to

13:44

convey it that way, but I don't

13:46

really I mean, I I think if it came down

13:48

to like they both thought it was Cassie. I feel

13:50

like, to some extent, this is played

13:52

rather differently. But joy

13:54

thinking its will in the end is is

13:56

is still a little bit babbling.

13:59

thing. So, I mean, I

14:01

think and I'm not sure if this is,

14:03

like, corroborated by the

14:05

exit press. I think that Joy

14:07

and Cassie had a

14:09

pretty good relationship. And I think

14:11

it also speaks to Cassie's

14:14

strength in her social

14:16

game. that I think that she might have

14:18

just had joy so

14:20

snowed and that it could it couldn't be

14:22

her because of the noise. something

14:24

joy snow. Yeah. That she

14:27

really just Sorry. My head's in another

14:29

universe. So I wouldn't say that anymore.

14:31

The the dragons on Sunday

14:33

night and the snowy mountains of the

14:35

mall. It truly was a song of ice and

14:37

fire. You

14:37

know, Josh, you keep saying that you're

14:39

punchy and you're

14:39

tired, but this really

14:42

does not you do not seem any different

14:44

from how you usually see. Exactly

14:46

as you will. That's the secret

14:48

app. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah.

14:50

Yeah. Sorry. I didn't get you off.

14:53

Oh, no. Go ahead, Rob. No. That's I was

14:55

done.

14:55

I think

14:58

to that point, we see

15:00

in the either last or an

15:01

ultimate episode, Joy

15:04

saying, well, Kashi, you know,

15:06

screwed

15:06

all this up with the mountain, and

15:08

I've been suspicious of her from the pigeon

15:10

pizzas. And I am

15:12

confused about final

15:14

announcement from Alex that each

15:15

of the three of them voted for

15:17

a different person as the mall.

15:20

Like, didn't Cassie didn't

15:22

vote for herself? What's -- Yeah. --

15:24

what I'm doing? What's happening? Did

15:26

Cassie take the quiz for real

15:29

Indian? Or was it just

15:31

like her, like,

15:32

doodling on her iPad or whatever?

15:35

You know, it's like filling in the blanks. to was just

15:37

confused as to why they were, like, Cassie

15:39

voted for joy. Like, no. She

15:41

didn't. That's

15:41

exactly but that's exactly

15:44

why, you know, we were saying that people

15:46

if two people had said this that,

15:48

you know, if they both said that Kazi was the

15:50

mole, we would know right away. This was for

15:52

dramatic tension. So they just had Kazi name

15:54

somebody. Right. because it

15:56

was setting it up. And I think it was

15:58

pretty transparent, honestly.

15:59

But I

16:01

still I'm still kinda

16:04

stuck on you could get all the

16:06

way to the end of the game and be

16:07

wrong about the mole. Yeah.

16:09

Going into the final episode, I was

16:11

like, oh, whoever, whichever of the

16:13

women is still there, has it the easiest

16:15

because there's no way Will is the mall.

16:17

So whoever you're left with with

16:19

Cassie you know it's

16:21

Kasei. Will has the harder time of

16:23

determining between Kasei and

16:25

Joy, I think. You know, the thing that

16:27

really got me in terms of like these quizzes

16:29

down the stretch, and stop me if I have

16:31

anything wrong. But

16:33

so joy is feeling like that

16:35

will is the mall. And

16:37

Avery is feeling like

16:39

Joy is the mall. Correct?

16:41

That's where Avery went out. She felt like

16:43

the Joy was the mall. I would feel like

16:46

If Joy is answering questions about who

16:48

is the mole, talking about things that Will

16:50

is doing, wouldn't it

16:52

be that, like like, even if you

16:54

were wrong, because

16:56

that joy and causey were

16:58

partners on so many of the last few

17:00

missions that I feel like even

17:02

by answering questions wrong,

17:04

thinking that you're vote that you're voting for joy,

17:06

wouldn't you get closer to the

17:08

Mulvee and Cassie then

17:10

by answering that the Mole is Will?

17:13

Yeah. If you're saying,

17:14

like, which team -- which

17:16

part of the

17:17

mission did the

17:17

mall do and you say the

17:20

pigeons, and which team was the mall

17:22

on for

17:22

the mountains, the red team or whichever team

17:24

it was. Both times, you're gonna get

17:26

the correct answer even if you're voting

17:28

for joy rather than voting for Cassie. I

17:31

don't get How did do worse at the quiz?

17:33

Then then Joy did in that spot.

17:35

Yeah. I was really surprised when when

17:37

her name came up. Again, I thought,

17:39

like, we would have, like, some sort of cliffhanger

17:41

going into the finale. It was the first and

17:43

foremost piece of it. But then when it was Avery,

17:45

goes red, it was, like, oh, All bets

17:47

are off. That was a that was a real surprise. It

17:50

really had felt like so much of the season was

17:52

Avery's journey. Although I guess when you

17:54

review it now in hindsight,

17:56

so much of it is just an exasperated

17:59

will being furious that people are stealing

18:01

his money. Yep.

18:04

It's kind of a great arc actually.

18:06

Yeah. He was here for the right reasons, Josh.

18:09

Yeah. Lots

18:12

of fun stories in the exit press. Right? Now

18:14

there's a bun a few fun interviews out

18:16

there. Our friend Mike Blum over at

18:18

parade has a bunch with with

18:21

three finalists as well. Andy Denhart at Reality

18:23

blurred as well. I think one of the things

18:25

that I've enjoyed is hearing how these

18:27

people got cast on the show.

18:30

Lots of Instagram DM

18:32

sliding has been

18:34

occurring. It would seem to to get these people

18:36

on board. sense. But also

18:38

in the recruitment process on

18:40

the other side of it, I think

18:42

that we got some, like, people who

18:44

would go and deep dive the

18:46

mole a little it. It seems like Will

18:48

did his research and went back and

18:50

watched the Anderson Cooper seasons.

18:52

That's fun. If nothing else came from

18:54

this, there was more mall awareness

18:56

that occurred? And I didn't even more to the Vopetrol

18:59

podcast? Well, you

19:01

can

19:01

Tell us, Rob. You've got the numbers.

19:03

Well, Rob says, you know, hard

19:06

rock coke. I I don't I don't get the names of the

19:08

listeners. the word, you know, for the rest of

19:10

them. Let us know. Are you asking My question and

19:12

I didn't mean it didn't even occur to me. Did they

19:14

listen to

19:14

MOLP Patrol? I was just thinking, like,

19:17

did any of them read the

19:19

memoir by the contestant

19:21

on season two? because your hopes of

19:23

my book sales really gives us a spike.

19:27

An old

19:27

ancient impression. So I feel like there's

19:29

a lot of There's a lot of

19:31

mole information to be gleaned from that one. That's where I

19:34

would go. I think Kashi

19:36

even said that she had some

19:38

of the Belgian editions of of the mall.

19:40

Yeah. Somebody in the comments said, be

19:42

careful with her exit press because she spoils

19:44

something from

19:45

a season of the Belgian mall. Oh, drive for

19:47

bid. Alright. Well, if you're really looking to

19:49

do the deep dive genuinely, like, maybe you've

19:51

been bit by the mall bug,

19:54

And now you wanna go in. We're trying to keep it clean here as

19:56

far as other seasons of the mall. So

19:58

there will be no Belgian

19:59

mall spoilers on this

20:02

episode. of

20:03

the Mall patrol. We're gonna keep

20:04

it very tight as far as

20:07

Belgian old spoilers, Rob. You never

20:09

know when things get desperate,

20:11

Content gets lean again. You

20:13

might not throw an delta mode. Oh my god.

20:16

Well, you can't watch the US

20:18

mall anymore. So What are you doing? celebrities.

20:20

I don't know what happened to the Anderson's Celebrities

20:22

aren't they didn't want

20:24

their new season to be up

20:27

again. greatness. Yes. Is

20:29

it new, the Belgian mall?

20:31

No. Is it gonna happen? It's gonna

20:33

be the Belgian mall. It's No. It's it's

20:35

been new. You know?

20:37

Alright. Too much on the Belgian mall already.

20:40

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22:13

We

22:43

have a

22:44

lot of feedback from people. We put

22:46

out the call for feedback

22:48

from everybody out there in mall patrol nation. Let

22:50

us know what you think of the Netflix's

22:53

first season of

22:55

the mall. what questions do you have

22:57

about the way it ended, things that could have

22:59

been changed along the way, questions that are

23:01

still lingering as far as what happened

23:03

out there. So we got a bunch

23:05

to to get through. I think that that can guide a

23:07

lot of the conversation here

23:09

moving forward. And of course, if you've got anything you

23:11

wanna add and you're watching live and you wanna have it

23:13

in the chat, monitoring any

23:15

gold that shows up there.

23:17

Gold we can bring into the

23:20

conversation as Well, let's take this

23:22

first from from John who

23:24

had written in

23:24

and said, did you suspect Kashi

23:27

was the mole As soon as she using

23:29

Avery's strategy of adding

23:32

suspicion to herself in the ice block

23:34

challenge, it felt like the editing of

23:36

the show change. I

23:38

feel like we were already on the case for Cassie,

23:40

but that definitely was the moment where it's like

23:42

there's no longer a third option. There's like no

23:45

second option. No third option. It's just

23:47

Cassie for sure. Yeah. Definitely.

23:50

The Cassie

23:51

confessionals, I I

23:53

feel like is the biggest issue

23:55

that I have with the show.

23:58

because that I felt like that a lot of times, like,

24:00

she was saying things like, oh, hold on. What

24:02

what is she saying? Like, does that

24:04

make any sense? what -- Yeah. -- what

24:06

what she's saying and towards the end

24:09

of the show, she starts

24:11

saying like, yeah, I'm I'm trying to

24:13

make people think on the

24:15

mall. Well, especially

24:16

we know you are them all. Why

24:18

did it not make any sense? Now,

24:20

I know that we need to be careful of Cassie's

24:23

exit press so as not to spoil the

24:25

Belgian bowl, but I do

24:27

believe in one of Cassie's interviews. I

24:29

don't know if this is with Andy or

24:31

with Mike. read both of them today and they're blurring together. The

24:33

reality is blurring. But

24:35

one of the takeaways from that

24:37

is none of the producers

24:38

that she was doing

24:40

her confessionals with knew that she

24:42

was the mole is is what she

24:44

has said. So she was making it up. She

24:46

was being the mole to the

24:48

producers producing the conventional as

24:51

well, I feel like maybe in the

24:53

future dedicated

24:54

bowl producer somehow,

24:56

some way, they need to find a way to

24:58

do that in some clandestine type of operation

25:00

that the other people aren't catching on to. I

25:02

know that that's a risk. But I

25:04

think for the sake of generating, like, authentic

25:07

confessionals from the mall, because it did. I think, Rob,

25:09

you're right. I think that there was something

25:11

kind of stilted about the way that Cassie was

25:13

trying to sell a fiction to us that

25:15

didn't quite make sense. I think someone needed to

25:17

be working with her on that. That's not entirely

25:20

her fault. more production might. Mhmm. I'll add I

25:23

for the first block of

25:23

episodes, I took pretty detailed notes

25:26

on every time one of the players said they

25:28

suspected another player. And

25:30

causey almost never said who she

25:33

thought the mole was. And I feel

25:35

like that's a pretty big issue as

25:37

well. If everybody else is gonna say

25:39

who they think the mole is. And one

25:41

person is not saying who they think the mole

25:43

is. That's that's a

25:44

red flag. That person's

25:45

the mole. That person's the mole.

25:47

then the person's, like, who do you think the ball? Because

25:49

it's, like, hit me. Yeah.

25:52

I don't know. Jai. Everybody seems to think it's

25:54

Jai. So maybe it's Jai. Yeah.

25:57

Mhmm. Yeah. And and they

25:57

could've that was, again, that was an editing

25:59

choice because I think they could've

26:01

put in they could've been put

26:03

in causey saying, well, I thought that was us.

26:05

So I think this person is the mole.

26:07

And she's clearly, like, they've she probably

26:09

gave them enough to do that. But what they

26:12

aired of her really did

26:15

not help her case against her being

26:17

the mall.

26:17

Mhmm. And again, she did

26:20

a really good job of being the

26:22

mall other players. The other players,

26:24

like, all -- Mhmm. -- all bought it.

26:26

Now that people did not have a

26:28

lot of suspicion of her seemingly

26:30

throughout the show, but

26:33

she just was

26:36

devoid of of almost

26:38

any emotion in talking about what

26:40

was happening and the mole would do something And

26:42

she slept her so flat that

26:44

I it was like a really big towel.

26:46

Yeah. Yeah. I think so. You really you

26:49

could really feel like the the authenticity of

26:51

the people who were, like, confused in the

26:53

situation or frustrated and

26:55

mad. Yes. Yeah.

26:57

Versus the person who is, like, I'm

26:59

making them so mad. I'm

27:01

confused with them. Well, and the thing is she

27:03

wasn't for the most part. She wasn't the one

27:05

making them mad a lot of the

27:07

time because And I think in the feedback a

27:09

lot too in general. It's just

27:11

like, is it

27:11

frustrating? And the

27:12

answer is yes, that so

27:15

many people were intentionally sabotaging

27:18

missions. And I think that I like this

27:20

cast in general. I think they're interesting

27:22

people But I think

27:24

a big issue that exists with this

27:26

season is because so many people were

27:28

trying so actively to draw suspicion

27:31

onto themselves. It was difficult because you wanted to

27:33

be cheering for them to win, and they were just, like,

27:35

never accomplishing anything. Yeah. Yeah. I

27:37

have a question then about the kind of the

27:39

purity of the MOL experiment. then.

27:41

Like, maybe some of the issues with the season was

27:43

I don't wanna get, like, two Galaxy Brain about

27:45

Do it. But I

27:48

think,

27:48

like, we know now having

27:50

done

27:51

done podcasts about this show

27:53

and having read, you know,

27:56

ancillary

27:56

reading materials and whatnot.

27:58

We know

27:59

that the best mold

28:02

strategy is to cast suspicion

28:04

on yourself so that people think you are the mole. And when you

28:06

take

28:06

the quiz, you split your answers

28:08

so that you're covering the greatest number of

28:10

people with any question you're not sure about.

28:13

Yeah. I

28:14

think maybe there

28:15

were a lot of people in the early seasons

28:17

that we covered that didn't know that, that

28:19

didn't know you're supposed to do that. There's

28:21

no excuse not to know that anymore if you're gonna be cast on

28:23

the mole. I think everybody

28:25

else came in knowing that. And

28:29

so I wonder

28:31

when

28:32

everybody is employing the same

28:34

strategy, does that make it less interesting

28:36

to watch? Yes. Can

28:38

I make a pitch for maybe

28:40

a rule change to the mall? Tell me if

28:42

there are holes in this. What

28:45

if

28:47

Sometimes you take the quiz

28:49

and

28:49

the person who does the worst on the quiz is

28:52

going to go home. Other

28:54

times, you take the quiz.

28:56

And the quiz is about who is

28:58

the mall and

29:00

the person who gets the most

29:03

votes saying that they are the

29:05

mall. ends up going home. And obviously, if

29:07

there wasn't a mall, they can't go home.

29:10

So maybe it's not the best

29:12

strategy sometimes to make

29:14

yourself the most suspicious because you could

29:16

inadvertently get taken out by trying

29:18

to make yourself too suspicious. This is

29:20

sort of the Alavia rule.

29:22

Is it not? Can

29:24

you reset what that means for

29:27

Okay. I don't know. Anyone who may have forgotten.

29:29

Alright. Now Anyone who hasn't

29:31

seen the mall? this does spoil

29:32

something in season two of them

29:34

all. So, you know, give me, like, thirty

29:37

seconds, you know, skip ahead if you

29:39

really

29:39

can you change the can you protect

29:41

the identities of the people in on

29:43

the fly changed. I

29:46

already said the name of the person,

29:48

Josh. I was trying to buy a cover

29:50

that may be different. Okay? Well, anyway, I'm

29:51

just gonna I'm gonna spoil this plot

29:54

point that does not tell you who the moat

29:56

is. And I I think

29:58

I

29:58

I deserve some props for being very careful not

30:01

to spoil you on that. And

30:03

really, like, I don't wanna

30:05

anybody of the delight of season two of

30:07

the mold because it's the most perfect season of television

30:09

ever produced by any anyone.

30:11

But there was a

30:12

point where everybody had to

30:15

cast a vote on

30:17

the

30:17

person that they thought was the

30:19

most suspicious, that was it most

30:21

suspicious, most useless. They ranked who

30:23

they like the most to who they liked the least.

30:26

Yeah. And I think it

30:26

was the second time that they did a ranking.

30:29

They may have done two different categories,

30:31

but both times Olavia was either the

30:33

best or the worst depending on how you look at

30:35

it. Yeah. They liked her the

30:38

least. Yeah. And so at

30:40

at that quiz,

30:42

Anderson gets up and says,

30:45

hey,

30:45

Alavi, everybody hates you.

30:47

Here's fifty thousand dollars to

30:49

walk away from the game right now.

30:51

Yeah. Forever. Leaver.

30:53

And she twice what joy

30:55

stole for those came in and snacking home. Yeah.

30:57

And that was in two thousand one

31:00

dollars. Wow. So a lot of money. Yeah. That's like

31:02

the entire pot for this.

31:05

Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Then

31:07

so she took it. Like, I would take

31:10

it. Oh, yeah. No question. It's

31:12

like, oh, thank you

31:12

for having me on your television. I'll now

31:14

go with fifty thousand dollars in my

31:16

pocket. No doubt. I do think that maybe

31:19

more incentives to walk away or

31:21

just like some social disruptive

31:24

incentives. I think the, like, you know, cheat

31:26

everybody out for an exemption. I don't

31:27

know about any of you, but I feel like, you

31:30

know, by the, like, the last time they were doing that,

31:32

it's like, we could probably innovate this a

31:34

little bit more. Mhmm. We need fewer of

31:36

those. Yeah. Yeah. Because,

31:38

you know, that if you did something where

31:40

the person who was the most SUSK goes home,

31:42

you don't wanna, like, any sort

31:44

of collusion of, like, people basically, like, voting out a

31:47

person who's unpopular. So

31:49

there there would be things that would

31:51

be challenges to doing it that way. But if

31:53

you could just, like, mix it up somehow

31:56

where, like, actually doing that

31:58

in the challenges, I had some sort of, like,

32:00

negative effect also to

32:02

make people not try to be throwing

32:04

the like, if everybody's throwing the

32:06

challenges, the ball doesn't have to do

32:08

anything. Sure. Yeah. I

32:10

think that made Cassie's life a lot

32:12

easier, especially in the early going when

32:14

there's so many people and so

32:16

many people are doing crazy.

32:19

things, like betting twenty

32:20

five thousand dollars out of a

32:22

thirty thousand dollar pot. Mhmm.

32:25

But she didn't have work that hard in the beginning. And

32:27

by the end, it was like, okay. Whoa. Who

32:30

cares? I mean, I've always

32:30

said if I'm the mole, I'm just

32:33

gonna be myself and

32:35

play the games the way I would normally play

32:37

them. And I'm

32:37

probably gonna screw enough stuff up on

32:39

my own. Yeah.

32:41

Yeah. I'm the mall. I'm just gonna be like, God, I

32:44

was nervous. I can't believe it picked me to

32:46

be the mall. Probably, guys have

32:48

the ball. As it's me.

32:50

This is what I would do. This is

32:52

from Caitlin. Caitlin had asked, so how would

32:54

you rate Cassie's performance as the mole?

32:57

And why do you think it fell apart

32:59

at the end? Do we feel like it fell

33:01

apart at the end? I think we're talking a bit about how it

33:03

fell apart on screen, but I think in

33:05

the reality of it, it feels like it was

33:07

actually did really well. She did she did

33:09

quite well. You know what, like,

33:11

scale we're rating on, but Yeah.

33:13

This would have been the

33:15

most fun

33:15

game to play.

33:18

But I

33:18

think I think, like, the game itself

33:21

as it is being played is

33:23

a different thing from the show that we got

33:25

to

33:25

watch. Yeah. And

33:27

I think in the game, she did a fabulous

33:30

job. And in the show that we are

33:32

watching, III think we all have

33:34

some notes. Can I I wanna

33:36

ask this one from from Mark. I think

33:38

that this is an interesting one to

33:40

to get into. Mark wrote

33:42

in and asked, what does the

33:44

mole get out of being the

33:46

mall. Do they get any money they

33:48

keep out of the pot? What is

33:50

their motivation? This is a

33:52

great question that I'm sure

33:54

the the direct of the fictional

33:56

spy thriller of this would

33:58

would be asking their actors. So what's

33:59

your motivation in this

34:02

scene? Right? Like, what does the

34:04

mall get all of it? the

34:06

mall. Back in the day, it was

34:08

dissatisfaction of a job well done.

34:10

I believe it was was

34:12

famously what they received,

34:14

which in I think today's

34:16

climate is probably, like, a hard

34:18

thumbstand of,

34:20

like, no. Like, being paid in exposure. It works on the Great

34:22

Finish Baking Show. Yes.

34:24

I guess. They went

34:27

a plate Right. Sorry. You don't even get a plate for being

34:29

the mole. You get a hodgepodge.

34:32

What does the

34:32

mole get out of being the mole? Do they

34:34

should they be getting an Alex Wagner

34:37

hand? shake moving

34:39

forward. A a private

34:42

dinner? Should there be some, you know, form

34:44

of, like, transparency on this so that

34:47

we kind of know what the mole is

34:49

acting toward other than, you know,

34:51

just the general sabotage

34:54

conceit. Like, Is there something in the game structure you think Rob

34:56

that should be introduced

34:58

or cards up as far as, like,

35:01

Is the mole competing for something other than just

35:03

being the tip of the spear of

35:06

production? I mean, I don't know why

35:08

and maybe that you all who have

35:10

gone back and watched

35:12

the older seasons, like, know

35:14

why this isn't the case, but it should be,

35:16

alright, that that there was thirty thousand

35:18

dollars up for grabs. You got the

35:20

moles now. Yeah. Yeah. You you got twenty

35:22

thousand dollars. The moles added ten

35:24

thousand dollars to their

35:26

pot. Yeah.

35:26

yeah Yeah. Other

35:28

than, like, production is like, well, I don't want

35:30

to give it away. You know? So usually,

35:32

like, the bowl, your job is to save

35:34

us money. You know, we'll get you a

35:36

flat order. As do it. Yeah. Don't ask the question

35:38

you don't want the answer to. Don't put up

35:40

money that they can win if you're not willing to

35:42

give it away. Mhmm. And if it's already if

35:45

it's just part of the budget that ostensibly all

35:47

of this money could be won, either

35:49

it's going to the winner or it's going

35:51

to the mall. I've always thought the mall should win

35:53

the money that they managed to keep up. pot.

35:56

Yeah. Or it's like,

35:58

hey, we are

35:59

very stingy here at this production, but we have

36:02

the mole working for us. And that's why

36:04

we told the mall that they can keep

36:06

fifty percent of the money we don't have

36:08

to pay you. So that's it. That's

36:10

how we're keeping the mall motivated.

36:12

and we're saving a lot of money. Yeah. I think

36:14

that that's good. I think

36:16

that there's no reason to not be,

36:18

like, like,

36:20

steal your money, like, and, like, you know,

36:22

the mold didn't just, like, destroy your money.

36:24

The mold took your money. The mold has

36:26

pocketed your money and is devoting that towards

36:29

their, like, upcoming Cayman Islands getaway. Yeah.

36:31

You know? And then

36:33

there should be final scene at

36:35

the end of every season with the mole on the Cayman Islands.

36:38

Alright. We're here with luxury. Mhmm. Just

36:40

rolling in

36:42

the cast. you just get caught on with that island and you and you

36:44

stick

36:44

around until there's enough people to start up your

36:46

own game. Yeah. I don't know.

36:47

Maybe it's like some sort of like part of the

36:50

game show

36:52

log where the mole is kinda it looked like not on the same playing field.

36:54

Is everybody? because it's like, why wouldn't they do

36:56

this? I mean, it's like the most obvious thing.

36:58

And in twenty years, they know, and they

37:02

never got to this. I think I think that the mole probably

37:04

actually does need to be like

37:06

guaranteed some sort of

37:08

flat rate. do think that they need

37:10

to be guaranteed some amount of

37:12

money. Some, like, some incentive

37:14

that's just not particularly sexy to

37:16

put on television. because let's

37:18

say the Moles only incentive

37:20

is the money they are taking away from

37:22

the players on the show and

37:24

they're just a kind of like, you

37:26

know, crappy the bed or they're just

37:28

not accumulating nearly enough. At

37:30

some point, what

37:31

if a mole goes rogue?

37:33

and decides, like, well, I'm going on

37:35

strike. I'm striking Netflix until you

37:37

pay me better. I really do

37:39

them for breach. Mhmm. Yeah. But they'll just ruin the whole show, and it'll

37:41

all just be a total disaster. And then what happens?

37:44

Like, you have to get a new mole. How do you

37:46

do that? It's in the five million

37:48

dollar contract, Josh. They're gonna get sued for Did

37:50

it on b b twelve.

37:52

Okay. This comes our

37:55

way from Lauren. Lauren

37:57

asked us, wouldn't it be great to see

37:59

flashback content showing how each

38:02

losing player approached their

38:04

final quiz and how

38:06

surviving players fared, I'm interested

38:08

in how the strategies of quiz masters like

38:10

Will and Avery worked to get them so far

38:12

in the game heard a bit about this, but there's more to be explored sure.

38:14

Thanks, Mall Patrol. Thank you,

38:16

Lauren. Did we feel like there were not enough, you

38:18

know, sort

38:20

of flashbacks to kind of turn the cards over as

38:22

to how some of these people were thinking throughout

38:24

the game once all the information was

38:26

out there. I think that thirty five minute

38:29

episode only has, what, like, ten minutes

38:32

at most of really

38:34

diving into any of this wasn't

38:36

exactly status And even most

38:38

of

38:38

that was replaying stuff Cassie did

38:40

that we'd already seen. Right. Yeah. I

38:42

think what was really lacking this season

38:46

was more of the moments like we had very early on. One moment

38:48

between, I wanna say, Pronav and

38:49

Jacob, talking about being

38:52

sure that

38:52

Samara wasn't the mall, so

38:55

they wanted to it's suspicion on her to throw

38:57

other people off. We really didn't get

39:00

moments of the players

39:02

interacting out side of the mission

39:04

or strategizing together or forming their

39:06

not alliances, coalitions, or

39:09

any sort of relationships

39:12

and strategic thinking between

39:14

players, which I think helps make

39:16

the show more dynamic rather than

39:18

these just like cold

39:21

isolated identical professionals about

39:23

what was happening in the game. And

39:25

I think somebody in the chat said that players have

39:27

said an exit press. Those were all done

39:29

after the game was over.

39:31

I can't verify that back, but that is

39:33

a flaw in the system, I think.

39:35

Mhmm. For sure.

39:38

III wanted to say, okay, this is citation

39:40

needed because I was, like, kinda clicking

39:42

through Reddit and reading, like, summaries

39:44

of exit press.

39:47

in a few minutes before we

39:49

got on here. But Joyce

39:50

said that she and Jacob actually

39:53

staged the shit holehole fight --

39:54

Yes.

39:55

-- if Drew is hilarious, And

39:57

I

39:57

so And she'd given Jacob a

39:58

heads up, apparently -- Yeah. -- that she and

40:00

Jacob were actually a lot tighter than it looked

40:04

like. And I think Jacob posted something of a receipt

40:06

of, like, a photo of them hugging out on location

40:08

or something like that. Yeah.

40:11

And so what

40:11

a fun thing we could have seen in

40:14

congressional after the fact? This is

40:16

my point with

40:18

that knowledge. Like like, give

40:19

us two seasons for each game. Give us the

40:21

season where nobody

40:22

knows who the mole is. Then give us

40:24

the season where we know who the mole

40:28

is. It's like the Anchorman two of it all or the Anchorman

40:30

one point. You lost me when

40:31

you said let's do the Anchorman two of

40:33

the mole. That feels like probable

40:36

Okay, Josh. Okay.

40:38

Give us Newsboys would just

40:40

December, Jenny. They would

40:42

re air

40:42

the lost the previous week's lost

40:44

episodes before the new episodes with

40:47

little, like, pop ups on the bottom. Sure. Explaining all

40:49

the context that you needed for some of your time

40:51

in my life. Four seasons ago that you didn't remember.

40:53

No. It was that way. the

40:56

chronologically lost -- Yes.

40:58

-- approach. Sure. Now we're

41:00

talking the same language. Yes. I

41:03

like I like it as an episode. I don't think you

41:05

need a full season of it, but I do think

41:07

I would've really liked an episode that went in

41:09

on that. Yes.

41:11

three last week. Right? Was we've only got

41:13

two more episodes and we still have five

41:15

people. They're talking to give us a

41:17

full reunion breakdown behind the

41:19

scenes thing, which is one of my favorite parts, is getting

41:21

to the end and seeing all

41:22

the stuff that we didn't know. Yeah.

41:24

You know, you have this on

41:26

Netflix where yeah. Sure. If this is

41:28

on, like, ADC. Like, how many people

41:31

are gonna, like, tune in, like, the a

41:33

week after the next the following

41:35

Tuesday to, like, watch some sort of, like,

41:37

a re edited version of show, but you you could

41:39

that you have it on Netflix, that that there's no reason

41:41

why you can't show us any of this

41:43

stuff after the

41:46

fact. Yeah.

41:46

There's also no expiration date on this. I do feel like I mean, I

41:49

think that, you know, there's there's I I can

41:51

imagine the world where they don't wanna put

41:53

the effort in on thing

41:55

like this if they don't know how this is

41:57

gonna go anyway. Right? Like, they don't know that people

41:59

are gonna pop for the mall. Like, no one knows if

42:01

this is gonna be a show that hits or if

42:03

this is just gonna be yet another Netflix show that is devoured by the

42:05

ominous algorithm and never to be

42:08

seen again. And

42:10

instead, our, you know, whatever data we have

42:12

available, it certainly seems like, hey, you

42:14

all out there, Mobile Patrol Monday. You

42:17

haven't done right now. let

42:19

us know, say, I'm having fun. If you're

42:21

watching this live, there's gonna be a lot of people

42:23

who suddenly start, like, spamming the

42:26

chat of saying, I'm

42:28

having fun. like a lot of people are watching this, and I think

42:30

that I have to imagine Netflix is

42:32

seeing that, and I think that there is a world where

42:34

even if it were, you know, a couple of weeks

42:36

from now, I think that

42:38

they could see, I'm having fun. Winnie's having

42:40

fun. Like, I think that they could still

42:42

cobble this together. I do think that

42:44

they could still they

42:46

could still do some sort of bonus episode, some sort of bonus

42:48

content. That is one of the things of

42:50

the streaming era. A lot of people are

42:52

having fun. Yeah. They're having fun. There's

42:56

video proof. Yes. We've got proof

42:58

Netflix, tune in, mall

43:00

Monday. Give us the

43:02

mall cut.

43:03

Five hundred and ninety four

43:05

souls are watching this according to

43:08

Danny from the Bay. I've got

43:10

six forty. Be

43:11

careful. Whoa. I have a secret behind the scenes. Mhmm. Yeah. Those are

43:13

the incognito profiles. Right. What

43:16

else are you watching? You know what

43:18

don't answer? that. Yeah. I don't

43:20

wanna people that don't want everybody to

43:22

know that they're watching this. Yeah. I'm

43:25

having fun. Okay. Let's keep the party

43:27

going. We've got more questions here that we wanna

43:30

get into. This was

43:32

from Mike. Mike says, do you think Netflix

43:36

Should Netflix returns with another season, should

43:38

Netflix stick with US based contestants or

43:40

cast a wider net? Rob, do you think

43:42

we need to be looking towards Belgium?

43:45

for the cash -- Sure. -- season two of

43:47

the next fall. Yes. That

43:50

much like the imported Belgian

43:52

beer that I enjoy. Import some

43:55

Belgian mall contestants. I love the

43:58

waffles. Let's get them in. Oh, man.

44:00

I think this could be good. Mhmm. Think it could

44:02

be good. Sure. the

44:03

genius in the Netherlands right now? Yes. That's true. Folks

44:05

from the Netherlands. I

44:07

think more than, you know, I like, I

44:09

don't need to necessarily look

44:12

at side of the US for the US mall. I'm certainly not against

44:14

it. I do think, like, maybe let's bring

44:16

in some people in a future season that we're

44:18

just not, like, sliding into their dams

44:21

because they've, like, pretty faces on Instagram. And not to say I

44:23

didn't like the cast of the season. I quite liked the

44:25

cast of the season, but give me,

44:28

like, a

44:30

few old ass mall detectives. You know, I want, like,

44:32

a couple of crusty people in the

44:34

show. Like, I wanna just, like, branch

44:37

out. I do think that there was a little samey samey

44:39

-- I retired from the force back

44:41

in eighty two. -- you have no

44:43

idea, Rob. You are speaking, like,

44:45

in a very serious way.

44:48

Yes. The thing

44:48

that was missing for me from this season

44:50

was there was no crotchy old guy

44:52

for Wiggler to glom onto. I know.

44:54

So I I do think

44:56

that III would to we can

44:58

open this up. Now that we know

45:00

that the bowl is is a

45:02

thing that Netflix is doing, Maybe

45:05

there was a little bit of just like sort

45:08

of like a keep that on the hush

45:10

hush quality about casting up the show

45:12

even though it had been

45:14

reported about a year before the show arrived. I think

45:16

that now that the show is

45:18

announced as it were, like it's

45:20

public now, they've docked

45:22

themselves, and I guess that's not a good

45:24

way of describing they just released the episodes. You

45:26

can, like, release the cast and call

45:28

for them. Cast a wider net, I

45:30

think, is is a way to

45:33

to go. Do

45:34

we have, like, any kind of, like,

45:36

archetype we wish we had seen than

45:38

the retired special forces agent that

45:40

Rob just pitched to is clearly the answer

45:42

for me as well. Well,

45:45

I'm anti all cap all caps all the

45:47

time on everything. Yeah. But Unless they're

45:50

compelling reality

45:52

TV contestants. twenty years ago. Yeah. It's

45:54

just one time. You

45:56

wanna wait with it back then? Yes. Right.

45:58

Yes. What I would say though is

45:59

I though is i think think

46:02

yes,

46:02

we want age diversity as well as the other kinds

46:04

of diversity that we had on the show.

46:06

But I think you also could have

46:09

presented

46:09

these people more holistically and more interestingly. Part

46:12

of how I started talking to some of the

46:14

contestants on Twitter was

46:16

that that Pranav posted a

46:18

video of

46:20

him dancing because he is a cofounder of this Afro

46:22

desi dance company. And

46:24

that's really interesting. Yeah. Like,

46:26

sure he's a

46:28

lawyer. That's fine. But he does this cool dance stuff

46:30

as well, and I think you can show

46:32

the dynamics in these people in a

46:34

really

46:34

cool way that would have helped

46:37

a little bit too.

46:39

Yeah. Danny, for the basis, Joe Del

46:42

Campo for next season -- Yeah. --

46:44

of the mall. Yeah. And then

46:46

I have from Sarah Karadine. The

46:48

great saying, Harry is an excellent dancer,

46:50

but I don't know if she's talking about

46:52

Jo Del Campo. Yeah. In my

46:55

Sarah in mind, she is. Sarah went

46:57

to the pizza place. Yes. She saw that.

46:59

That was amazing. That was

47:02

amazing. Incredible. committed to

47:04

the bit, Sarah Charity, and we love to

47:06

see it. Let's keep going with some

47:08

more questions here.

47:10

This came our way from John John

47:12

wrote in and said, do you think playing dumb is a

47:14

compelling strategy from a mall? Do

47:16

you think the challenges made it

47:19

possible to sabotage without playing dumb

47:21

is the only excuse? And how can

47:23

they fix this moving

47:26

forward? as a mall, I would have no choice but to play

47:28

Zed. But is this a good strategy

47:30

from a mall, do you think?

47:33

I think it

47:33

really depends on who you're playing

47:36

with. Because if you're

47:38

playing dumb and then you keep

47:40

sticking around, people are gonna be

47:42

suspicious as to how you keep

47:44

sticking around. Whereas if

47:46

you seem really sharp and like

47:48

you're really

47:50

paying attention, and you're throwing suspicions out there, you are

47:52

more likely to feel seem like someone who is

47:54

actively playing

47:56

game than that you know, you

47:57

pegged a mole in a

47:59

season, I will say, by saying,

48:02

how is this person still here? The

48:04

only way this person could still

48:06

be here is because they're the mall.

48:08

Yes. And that's, you know,

48:09

that's a giveaway

48:09

for some

48:12

people. Yes. We

48:14

have a great question from the great the b b

48:16

press. What's up, press?

48:18

Press is in the chat. Press says, is there

48:20

a better way to eliminate contestants other

48:22

than the quiz? My answer

48:24

decisively is yes. I do not

48:26

have the answer beyond

48:28

that. But, Rob, we have to

48:29

be able to workshop something better

48:32

than a quiz. than

48:33

a test,

48:34

than a scantron -- Mhmm. -- ring your

48:36

number two pencils. Who is the

48:38

ball? Yeah. I mean, does it

48:41

have to be a quiz every

48:43

time. Could we ever do an

48:45

elimination by, like, whoever

48:48

comes in asked in this competition or, like, have

48:50

some other ways that we could

48:52

potentially do

48:53

an elimination. Yeah.

48:54

yeah, like, mix it up for

48:57

sure. I think

48:57

I like the idea, Rob, of every so

48:59

often just ask everybody to, like, write down who

49:01

they think is the mole. and the person who

49:03

gets the most votes who's not the mall gets kicked out. Mhmm. Yeah.

49:05

Yeah. Yeah. Although, I think you would probably be able

49:07

to gain that

49:10

by, like, we all voted for Josh. Right? Like,

49:12

yeah. Okay. Oh, well, he's he's still

49:14

here. So I think we know. like

49:17

like but I feel like that there's something in that,

49:20

like, neighborhood

49:22

that

49:22

they could get to. That isn't always

49:24

the same thing of who did the worst on the quits.

49:27

and

49:27

you give people, like, solitary challenges. You guys

49:29

remember solitary. Right? Mhmm. Not the only person

49:31

who watched solitary. Mhmm. Like, you give them the

49:33

kind of challenges where You don't

49:35

know how everybody else is doing, and then it's like

49:37

the last person that boughs out. And that way,

49:39

you can cover

49:40

the mole. So the mole is not the person that

49:42

loses the challenge. Yeah. Who

49:44

is Michael Smith? Is a question I have? But

49:46

also the name of somebody in the chat

49:48

right now who asked, but what

49:50

if the mole accidentally comes and last?

49:53

It's individual that we say that they

49:55

didn't. Yeah. And they're working with production. They

49:57

know what's happening. They'll be fine. I've had

49:59

this

49:59

nebulous idea for a couple of weeks since

50:02

we started talking about this and how

50:04

the quiz is not good television. Of something like

50:06

way back in old school survivor when Jeff

50:08

would tell the stories and then you'd

50:10

have to go run out

50:12

in different directions and answer questions. But what if it's

50:15

like an obstacle course? And you answer

50:17

a question and the points diverge?

50:20

each time based on your answer. And so maybe you're working with somebody and you're

50:22

all gonna follow the same path, but somebody else

50:25

is gonna go different directions. So

50:27

it's still quiz questions. but

50:30

you

50:30

may or may

50:31

not get to the end of the maze in a certain, like,

50:33

in a certain order

50:34

depending on how well you answer the question.

50:36

The whole season the whole season one

50:39

one where they had to go and knock on all the doors.

50:41

Kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

50:43

I wanna be more active, I think,

50:45

is really what is needed.

50:47

I wanna be fair to there are people out there

50:49

who are in support of the

50:52

quiz. There's JP in the chat right

50:54

now who says, I love watching

50:56

people take a test with questions I can

50:58

barely see. So so much

51:00

better. Some people definitely

51:02

don't know the answer.

51:06

None people are into it. More seriously, this is

51:08

from Ryan in the chat right now.

51:10

Ryan says I think the quiz reveal is a

51:12

great is

51:14

great TV. but the quiz

51:16

itself is boring. By episode two,

51:18

everyone knows the mechanics. So spend

51:20

more time with the characters and and

51:22

jump straight to the execution. I do think that they

51:24

ultimately end up doing

51:26

this. And I think, like,

51:28

it's it's better

51:28

than, like, if we were to linger on

51:31

every single freaking question because it's

51:33

just gonna eat up so much screen time. I still think there's just a a

51:35

better way into this. Rob

51:37

is raising his finger

51:39

over his mouth. Is

51:41

the quiz reveal

51:43

a great TV? Because

51:46

personally, I often thought I

51:48

was frustrated by it. First off,

51:50

they get they get a sound, which sounded like they

51:52

said,

51:52

like, zed. And then they get like a

51:54

like a good sound. It's like, oh, okay. Oh, good.

51:57

It's like Oh, good. And then it's a look

51:59

at the

51:59

phone. And then -- And then --

52:01

And then -- -- and then of such a like

52:04

like, you you already gave me the

52:06

nice tech message. And as you're like, give me, like, AAA

52:08

bell or a Like, you're you're

52:10

out. I don't need the phone also.

52:13

I can't articulate why I'm, like,

52:15

typing the name into the screen and then

52:17

the thumbprint coming

52:18

up better, but that's

52:20

more interesting to me than everybody sitting

52:23

there with cell phones waiting for their screen to

52:25

go red or green. And then it I

52:27

think and then showing everybody when it's

52:29

already really obvious because it's glowing on your face. The

52:31

one thing I liked about that was the visual. Like, when

52:32

they would hit the button, it would light up their

52:35

face. Yeah. Which was kinda cool.

52:36

Yeah. Absolutely. So I would like

52:38

to find a way keep that.

52:41

And I think that the solution as usual when it comes to me,

52:43

a hat. Give everybody a hat.

52:45

Put hats on everybody. and

52:47

they're hooked up with LED lights. And so when

52:49

it's like, okay, Avery. And then

52:52

Avery's hat glows green, and it was like,

52:54

oh, she's safe. I think, like, I

52:56

had a hat. To the Mario and

52:58

Luigi stuff you've got. Yeah.

53:00

Yes. Is it a it's a hot hat?

53:02

Is this a golf ball? Then there ends up

53:03

being a big swap twist

53:06

midway through the season when somebody's hat

53:08

lights up yellow and they go,

53:10

oh, and they get a

53:12

Wario hat. Oh, what

53:14

does that mean? It

53:16

means

53:16

I don't

53:18

know. Yeah. Everybody hold the flashlight under

53:20

their chin. They all turn the flashlight on

53:22

at the same time. Oh. It was one crazy.

53:25

The flashlight is red. This is a good suggestion

53:27

for I mean, this is a kind

53:29

of like creepy scarier. Somebody is

53:31

out to get you elements.

53:33

Yeah. Of the old school model that

53:35

you have that you that was missing

53:37

here. Yeah. I'm missing the on

53:39

a down laptop. with giant shorts going everywhere. was great.

53:41

There was this huge laptop that you

53:44

could absolutely, like, you could take

53:46

into war with you and use it as

53:48

a somebody

53:50

with it. pushing this. And it was like he, like, super plugged

53:52

into who knows what in the middle

53:54

of nowhere. He got, like, five

53:56

power strips Like, I don't how

53:58

that plays now on

53:59

like your your sleek Netflix that is

54:02

doing all like the cool visuals of the

54:04

circle and

54:06

such, but I do think that there would be something fun to, like, a

54:08

more throwbacky style

54:10

to to the bowl now.

54:14

They have, like, chairs where they, like, fall back, like

54:16

like, Will Farrell and Austin Powers. You

54:18

got the cane that comes in

54:21

yanks from Austin.

54:22

Maybe. Yeah. It could be good.

54:24

Can can

54:24

I also add that I wish that

54:27

they would have, like, gotten somebody, like,

54:29

on the first reveal that we didn't

54:31

get that? It was, like, I feel like it

54:33

was almost always like a fourth or fifth person. And yeah.

54:35

What a lot to, like, type in like right

54:37

away, and it's very

54:40

Alright. Yeah. Greg. Like, oh. We got

54:42

it. We got you with the first one.

54:44

Yeah. That would be

54:46

good. I think that refund I

54:49

think to

54:49

have just, like, some III think, like, to

54:52

have one person just go off right

54:54

away because I did feel, like, every single time,

54:56

like, those first two, I would never really

54:58

be holding my plan at

55:00

all. This

55:02

is not a question. This is me

55:04

just going rogue a tiny bit

55:06

and saying, I feel like we're gonna be doing the these

55:08

final two episodes of the service. If we

55:10

do not talk at all about the

55:13

fact that the final mission was the three of

55:15

them evading drones. In a fortress.

55:18

In a fortress where they were

55:20

dressed in

55:22

suits. where they had to it was, like, it was black tie mandatory

55:24

fraud -- Yes. -- to

55:26

to go out there and, like, have

55:30

to evade all of these different drones that if they stared

55:32

in the drone space for three

55:34

seconds straight, they would be eliminated.

55:38

I don't know. This was kinda whack a doo TV. I kinda again,

55:40

we keep bringing up the Benny Bill theme.

55:42

I really wanted Did drones even

55:46

get them? Like, how did the judge

55:48

not get them? I didn't understand

55:49

how they were ever going to

55:51

accomplish getting the

55:54

first canister. In

55:55

what world, you had

55:57

the two people who were trying to

55:59

do it. In

55:59

what world was that canister not falling

56:02

through the ropes to its doom so that we

56:04

had an explosion because, of course, there were a explosion. They needed

56:06

at least one guaranteed

56:08

explosion here, I think. And it

56:10

would have been great if

56:12

it's explosions. if they didn't

56:14

give, like, the suction cups to the bowl, that

56:16

would have been ideal because Kashi

56:18

was literally just like, oh, sweet. One where

56:20

I could just step off. into steam

56:22

and another explosion. It was so

56:24

ridiculous. Yes. Motion sensing floors.

56:28

Yeah. Like,

56:28

in theory, this is kind of fun, but it was a

56:31

little bit legends of the hidden temple. You know, like,

56:33

this is a little bit Nickelodeon.

56:35

But, you know, That's

56:38

my my heart lies with the global guts of

56:41

it all. I did I did enjoy

56:43

that they had, like, throw the

56:46

nuclear football in order to get out of there with some

56:48

money and catch it. Yeah. You

56:50

have to complete that pass? Yeah.

56:52

I I feel

56:54

like in the the seasons of the

56:56

ball that we have watched

56:58

as a patrol, that I don't know

57:00

how I would rank the final missions.

57:02

This would maybe just of

57:04

the first two seasons of the mold plus this one. I

57:06

think I might go with this at the top, but it's

57:08

really not saying much. Typically, the final missions

57:10

of the mold, I don't think are

57:12

terribly good. I

57:13

think we are colored by

57:15

the

57:16

commonality of escape rooms

57:18

being

57:18

a thing. Mhmm. Because I

57:21

think the season one final three challenger.

57:23

They're all in the hotel rooms trying to make each other escape. This has become this

57:25

is such a big part of the mall, but it's also

57:27

a thing you can go and do downtown for

57:29

twenty nine ninety

57:32

five.

57:32

Sure. Yeah. That's a special. Yeah. I love that

57:34

mission. And I think what it does really

57:36

well, it was also somewhat lacking this

57:40

season. is all of the players have information that the other one

57:42

needs. A lot of the missions in

57:44

this season involved splitting up into

57:47

teams and each group did their own

57:49

thing and either that group succeeded or it didn't, but it was less

57:52

all

57:52

of us have we are separated,

57:53

but we all have to

57:56

work together. It's why a lot of

57:58

people, I think, really liked the prison

57:59

escape and the bank heist. It's gonna say

58:01

that both one escape and the season

58:04

one finale mission are are very

58:06

similar. Yeah. Yeah. Really

58:08

similar. Listen,

58:10

don't accuse me of trying to introduce

58:12

a fire making twist here

58:14

into the whole format moving forward. But

58:17

I almost wonder if

58:19

the solution is

58:22

you get a final four and you eliminate the person who

58:25

goes in in fourth. And then

58:27

there isn't an additional mission and

58:29

you just get to the

58:32

alright. Here's the brass tax quiz,

58:34

and then let's do an extended this is

58:36

how the this is how the who done

58:38

it was done. You know? I think that I might even more

58:40

on board for that. I think three people,

58:42

when you only have two people who are

58:44

non moles plus one bowl, there's almost

58:47

always going to either end in

58:49

full failure or majority failure.

58:51

I

58:51

have to say speaking from

58:53

the experience of being the only

58:55

mafia member left in a game of mafia with two

58:57

other people in managing to succeed. It is very

59:00

stressful if you are that

59:02

person in that moment

59:04

in time. try and

59:06

convince one of two innocent people that it is

59:08

the other innocent person.

59:10

Yeah. So maybe it is a matter of

59:12

figuring out how to make it

59:14

about that social dynamic

59:16

rather than

59:16

a physical challenge. Yes.

59:19

Think

59:19

it's boring. Yeah. Unless we

59:22

do take the fire making

59:24

literally, and, Rob, it's a bomb

59:26

defusal. Yeah. You have to Maybe.

59:28

Yeah. Yeah. Or I love fire.

59:30

we

59:31

had, like, a lot of, like,

59:32

bigger missions and then a lot of, like, mini

59:35

missions that, you know, I felt,

59:37

like, were very fun. Like, maybe, like,

59:39

should be instead of, going

59:41

out to, like, go with

59:44

drones and, you know,

59:46

scale the walls. Like, should it be another

59:48

thing like the like, the money in the suitcase

59:50

where, you know, it's more

59:52

of, like, not necessarily the something that a mission

59:54

to go out and do, but it's some a

59:56

group decision that needs to get made.

59:59

yeah Yeah.

1:00:00

Yeah. I think some sort of,

1:00:02

like, let's reach consensus on something.

1:00:04

But hard to do as

1:00:06

the as the narrows window down.

1:00:08

WHO MCS SAYS THAT THEY DID DO A BOM DEFUSING IN

1:00:10

SEASON five. THAT WAS THE

1:00:13

FINAL THREE

1:00:13

MISSION AS put in

1:00:15

her private chat, actually. The final remission of

1:00:18

season five was defusing a bomb.

1:00:20

Oh my gosh. And I thought it was really

1:00:22

cool. You thought it was

1:00:24

a bomb? I mean, I might have said that

1:00:26

in in two thousand one. I don't

1:00:28

think I would say

1:00:30

that now.

1:00:32

I said it. You said it.

1:00:34

I

1:00:34

wanna go back to that

1:00:35

suitcase thing for a

1:00:38

second

1:00:38

because I think

1:00:40

I think having to

1:00:41

having to bet on the outcome

1:00:42

and reach a consensus when you're

1:00:44

betting on the outcome of the next quiz,

1:00:47

I thought that was,

1:00:50

like, almost

1:00:50

meta. It was like a meta commentary. It's not just who

1:00:52

do you think is the mole. It's who do you think knows

1:00:54

the least about the mole? And the mole actually

1:00:56

has to play along too because the moles

1:01:00

try put their

1:01:00

money down on who they think is gonna get eliminated. So

1:01:02

I thought that made

1:01:03

it a lot of fun. Yeah. I I thought

1:01:05

that the whole segment was

1:01:08

wild where okay. So

1:01:10

you had where Avery is like, okay. I'm

1:01:12

gonna try to make people think I'm the mall.

1:01:14

I'm gonna say I'm checked out. And then, like, at

1:01:16

the table, because he's like, no.

1:01:18

I I got the one with zero. Yeah. Why?

1:01:20

I can't say, i can't

1:01:23

say

1:01:23

reasons. Well,

1:01:26

it's like I'll take one of

1:01:27

the smaller ones because even if I go out, I've still put more money in

1:01:29

the pot than the rest of you, so I won't feel

1:01:32

bad. How do they

1:01:34

just flip that go. How did

1:01:36

they just let that

1:01:37

happen? No.

1:01:38

I don't

1:01:39

know. Amy Tasty fist in the

1:01:42

chat says my favorite challenge of the season should have happened

1:01:44

earlier. And to that point, I will

1:01:46

say shades of the

1:01:48

very first

1:01:50

challenge of season two

1:01:52

of them all, I wanna say,

1:01:54

where they have, like, the

1:01:56

the biaathlon competition, and then there's

1:01:58

the people who have to, like, jump

1:01:59

off of some thing high,

1:02:02

and the two people in charge have put

1:02:04

money on two of the three

1:02:06

challenges and who

1:02:06

will and won't do it. And

1:02:08

I think that's an interesting dynamic of putting, as

1:02:11

we've talked about, putting bets

1:02:13

on the outcomes of

1:02:15

people succeeding or failing in

1:02:17

a mission. I think

1:02:20

while we're in this conversation, it's a good time to

1:02:22

bring in a comment from Thomas who had

1:02:24

written in earlier in the day. ideas for a

1:02:26

second season to approve on the first? I would

1:02:28

welcome more character building and chilling with

1:02:30

the contestants instead of faux action.

1:02:33

think it's that second sentence that I would wanna

1:02:35

focus on. Rob, did you feel like there

1:02:37

was enough character building

1:02:40

slash chilling with the

1:02:42

contestants? Or would you like to have more

1:02:44

chilling with the contestants?

1:02:46

I felt like character building was

1:02:48

I felt like that I really knew who most

1:02:50

of these characters were

1:02:53

other than the s

1:02:58

swim in who were back. Yeah. The

1:03:00

two people that went out back to back. But otherwise,

1:03:02

I felt like the rest of the characters

1:03:06

were pretty flesh down along the

1:03:08

way. You know, would would it have been great to see

1:03:10

more, like, hang tight? I just feel like that's not

1:03:12

like like what the vibe of the show

1:03:14

is. Yeah. I

1:03:17

disagree. I think we got the characters, yes, but we did not

1:03:19

get the relationships. And I

1:03:21

think this show has a lot

1:03:23

to do with

1:03:26

relationships and who you have, who is willing to share

1:03:28

information with you, who you are sharing

1:03:30

information with, who are you, who you

1:03:33

are trying to prevent giving information.

1:03:36

too, like who you're trying to didn't

1:03:39

really know other than

1:03:41

people like Avery saying, I'm

1:03:43

gonna be suspicious. I wasn't really

1:03:46

sure where the misdirection was coming

1:03:48

in. And I

1:03:50

I asked on Twitter, I was like, did you guys

1:03:52

have fun? Were you having fun? because

1:03:54

it just seemed like you were all mad at each other and stressed out all

1:03:56

the time. But is it fun? Is it

1:03:59

fun? You have

1:03:59

been

1:04:00

fun. Let us know. Just say I'm having fun

1:04:02

right now. Oh, we are here. that

1:04:05

bit. Yeah. Here's a here's an

1:04:07

innovation that was presented to us

1:04:09

in the chat now Danny from the Bay that I

1:04:11

thought was pretty interesting. Two moles

1:04:13

for next season. Oh

1:04:15

my god. Let the

1:04:17

moles there are to

1:04:20

halfway through a mole

1:04:22

gets x. Why do we think

1:04:24

of this? Double moles.

1:04:26

Loblawlawlawlaw. Two moles. Send it

1:04:28

to Simoa. You get one you get

1:04:31

one mole removed and surprise

1:04:33

there's still a mole. I think

1:04:35

that that might be what I would yes and is that,

1:04:37

like, yes, there's two moles, but maybe we

1:04:39

don't reveal that there's a second mole

1:04:42

until one of the moles

1:04:44

is outted. My only caveat is that

1:04:45

it's Netflix is the

1:04:48

mall season T00

1:04:51

Yeah.

1:04:56

Too small. Too furious.

1:04:58

Yeah. Too small. The molds.

1:05:00

The molds. Mhmm. With a two for the s.

1:05:03

Let's pluralize this ish. I

1:05:05

think that's good. Mhmm. I like

1:05:07

it. Two molds.

1:05:10

Mhmm. So I'm gonna

1:05:11

continue that sentence and I held her

1:05:13

back. No. Please

1:05:14

do not. Just it was where it

1:05:18

was going. It's a family

1:05:20

podcast. I'm sorry. It's a

1:05:22

family podcast here

1:05:23

on rhAP.

1:05:26

Okay. Let's keep this thing going. Which cast member

1:05:28

would you be most intrigued to see

1:05:30

play as the mole in a high

1:05:33

a pedicle all star season. This was sent our

1:05:35

way from Nick earlier

1:05:38

in the day. Who would you

1:05:40

wanna see come back

1:05:42

from this cast, Jess, and who would you want to see come back from this

1:05:44

cast specifically as one

1:05:46

of the two malls in

1:05:48

our double mall season of

1:05:50

the mall? Well, I

1:05:52

think

1:05:52

I would like to see Avery

1:05:54

come back because I

1:05:57

think she the one

1:05:59

who and maybe this is

1:05:59

Netflix and not necessarily

1:06:02

Avery, but she was the one who

1:06:04

seemed to be playing all

1:06:06

aspects of the game, the most

1:06:08

gamely.

1:06:08

Like, she was making alliances with

1:06:10

people, and she was she was

1:06:13

trying to cast suspicion

1:06:14

on herself

1:06:16

you

1:06:17

know, I think give her another chance

1:06:17

she's gonna have all of the

1:06:20

strategy on lock. And if if you watch

1:06:22

for the strategy people,

1:06:24

I think you'd like her. I

1:06:26

think Greg is another person,

1:06:28

especially the way

1:06:28

he went out. I would like

1:06:31

to see him get another chance. Mhmm. Shout

1:06:33

out to Amy Tasty

1:06:34

fist. Bring back the dom,

1:06:37

father. Yeah. Mhmm. Cruz,

1:06:40

I wanna see Don robbed. Absolutely

1:06:42

robbed of time on the show. I

1:06:44

think he's great. Literally not. He

1:06:47

was given another shot to come back in. Well yeah.

1:06:49

And it was take it was taken on him.

1:06:51

Yes. Yeah. Right Out of his

1:06:54

hands. Righteously take it from him Mhmm.

1:06:56

Mhmm. -- hilarious. Pranav

1:06:59

was saying on the Twitter

1:07:01

spaces earlier this evening,

1:07:04

that everybody ended up being an agreement about

1:07:08

it. And that it that was the

1:07:10

day after Joy

1:07:12

took twenty five thousand dollars out of the pot, and he said their

1:07:14

view was after that ten

1:07:16

thousand

1:07:16

dollars seemed to like nothing. I was

1:07:18

like, that feels like the opposite of

1:07:21

my mentality of if you only have

1:07:23

three thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars

1:07:26

seems like a lot of money to

1:07:28

me. Mhmm.

1:07:28

Awesome job.

1:07:30

The answer is obviously joy.

1:07:32

Joy will be

1:07:33

the mall for sure. Yeah. There's just --

1:07:35

Yeah. -- really

1:07:36

joy is the mall returning.

1:07:38

This is the the the prince who has promised,

1:07:40

like, we need to do this. Joyce,

1:07:43

no, for sure. Other

1:07:46

than that, ring

1:07:46

back José. Give José another girl. You know? I'd like

1:07:48

to see José. It was a great cast. The The

1:07:51

nails really fine. Really

1:07:54

was. Yeah. Very few

1:07:56

druds in the mix, and

1:07:58

a lot of people that would have been

1:07:59

fun as them

1:08:00

all. Yes. And

1:08:01

who knows? Like, maybe the people that

1:08:04

were druds they

1:08:05

just got they just got purple colored. The

1:08:07

black black is amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

1:08:10

Both Pernav and Jacob

1:08:14

in the Twitter spaces earlier today. We're saying justice for Sandy, everybody

1:08:16

was in agreement.

1:08:19

that Rob? No. everybody

1:08:22

was in agreement to to leave

1:08:25

Dom out. Pranav said he only answered the

1:08:27

question because they'd already talked about

1:08:29

it. He was trying to be diplomatic. He knew Dom

1:08:31

Hardy knew the answer to that question. And that way, he wouldn't be on

1:08:33

Dom's bad side just

1:08:35

in case, but that

1:08:38

everybody was within five minutes in agreement

1:08:40

that they were not gonna help him

1:08:42

come back into the game and that

1:08:45

was maybe just a visibility spike for Sandy before she went home that episode. Yeah. That seems

1:08:47

And it sounds

1:08:48

like she's gotten a lot

1:08:50

of hate

1:08:51

on Twitter. So, hey, Stop

1:08:54

it will be cool out there. She's

1:08:56

a real person. Yes. She's

1:08:58

just stay alone.

1:08:59

Yeah. Speaking

1:09:02

of of the Internet. Speaking of the this

1:09:04

was one that we got from Jeff. Also,

1:09:06

we are on the Internet. Jeff had

1:09:10

written in earlier in the day and says, do you feel

1:09:12

like the internet slash Reddit

1:09:14

has changed viewing of the

1:09:16

mole in

1:09:18

any way? It's so much

1:09:19

easier to talk with people online to find clues and

1:09:21

determine the mole earlier in the season,

1:09:24

conversations that would have been way

1:09:26

less likely in the Anderson Cooper

1:09:28

days Is there anything

1:09:30

you would do to adjust for that? I'll go first, destroy the Internet.

1:09:36

What is the Internet done for us

1:09:38

real? Let's try it. I This is a site from orbit. It is

1:09:40

the only

1:09:42

way to be sure. Pareteum

1:09:44

last week tweeted a thread of like

1:09:46

all of the clues that were visible

1:09:49

on the series that

1:09:51

pointed to Cassie and

1:09:54

it blew my mind that the show didn't do

1:09:56

anything with any of that. So they were very

1:09:58

clearly there. Zed, I don't know

1:09:59

if if you said this today, this. So

1:10:02

there was, like, a deleted scene. of, like, oh, and here was,

1:10:04

like and they showed, like, the a part

1:10:06

of what we saw in the finale, but then

1:10:10

also, like, Alex revealing that all of the clues that

1:10:12

Pareteum had clocked and a lot of other people

1:10:14

on the Internet had been. And so in

1:10:17

the I don't know if

1:10:19

any of you who saw this. So

1:10:21

then Alec is like, well, there were

1:10:23

clues along the way. What in the

1:10:25

thirty five minute episode

1:10:27

of You Cowart. So

1:10:30

But but so that that they went through and I took a lower third Kyrie line of clues.

1:10:32

I I forget who it

1:10:34

was the first person, like, like,

1:10:38

hey, first person who got to the plane. Did you notice there was a Columbia

1:10:40

flag? Mhmm. Yeah.

1:10:41

On the plane?

1:10:43

Yes. We did. And

1:10:48

what significance does that

1:10:50

have to anybody? Cassie?

1:10:53

I was like,

1:10:55

well, where I went to undergraduate. Oh, let me Yeah. It's like,

1:10:57

did did Kazi reveal

1:11:00

her her resume to everybody that

1:11:02

was there? And then it was

1:11:04

prom bleed the

1:11:06

dossier as they crack an acreage in. And then and then and then and then the numbers

1:11:08

on the side

1:11:11

of the plane? Never

1:11:13

noticed. 061

1:11:16

forty

1:11:17

one forty causey's

1:11:20

harvey height

1:11:21

and weight anymore. It's like, I'm sorry, I didn't weigh her

1:11:23

also. It says o six, not

1:11:28

sick Oh. Well, that would

1:11:30

be too obvious, Rob. Oh, it's her it's her height and feet

1:11:33

hide in feet and inches

1:11:35

and inches backwards. So,

1:11:38

I mean, it's not it's no portrait a of a something

1:11:39

that revealed was relevant to the Moles career.

1:11:44

in the background of one single, special,

1:11:46

one time. Right. Right. Right. Right. I can fix this though. I can fix

1:11:48

this whole problem

1:11:51

of the Internet finding

1:11:53

all the clues and

1:11:54

missing everything forever. I can fix a very lofty proposition here. No. No. No. You're coming out here, Baldy, saying

1:11:56

you can fix the Internet on here for

1:11:59

I mean, fix the integration. we

1:12:03

are gonna pack the we are gonna pack

1:12:06

the

1:12:06

background of the show full of the

1:12:09

most absolute trash

1:12:12

and garbage. that we can

1:12:14

think of.

1:12:14

So everything looks like a clue. Mhmm. Like, thousands of little

1:12:16

tiny things. Like, the claim

1:12:18

to fan control. You like a

1:12:23

clue ball. Yes. Yes. The clue ball.

1:12:25

Everything

1:12:25

is a clue ball. And

1:12:27

then,

1:12:27

like, Josh,

1:12:28

this is gonna

1:12:30

give real Season two

1:12:31

have lost Internet from

1:12:32

them back to back. Where people are,

1:12:34

like, looking at the source code

1:12:38

of websites, and running it through, like, binary decoders

1:12:40

-- Yeah. -- to find

1:12:41

a link. Like, this is some,

1:12:43

like, cicade

1:12:45

egg. Sure. Yeah. Your fourth dimensional

1:12:47

chance act Can can I can I just add food with this the and then

1:12:49

in the deleted scene, it was like

1:12:51

Alex was

1:12:52

like dragging.

1:12:55

They could test sense of and they they were we

1:12:56

feel so stupid. It was right in

1:12:58

front of a little thought. Like, don't

1:13:00

feel bad. Nobody could ever

1:13:02

figure any of these out. Like,

1:13:06

on the bomb. Did you notice the numbers? 47613

1:13:08

Cassie's

1:13:12

ZIP code?

1:13:14

Of

1:13:14

course. Oh, yeah. because I had

1:13:16

a I had a follow-up.

1:13:18

I was googling ZIP codes.

1:13:24

And III don't know how to add

1:13:26

as classic model. And on on on the pizza

1:13:28

box, that

1:13:30

did you notice that there were

1:13:33

this the bar code with

1:13:35

the numbers was Kazi's

1:13:37

birthday? Okay.

1:13:38

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1:13:40

classic mall. Yeah. And on

1:13:42

the back of her jacket on

1:13:44

the name tag, it said

1:13:46

Cassie is the mole. Yeah.

1:13:48

I

1:13:48

I think Mike in the

1:13:50

chat has a very good point. Why

1:13:52

are they why are they putting this

1:13:54

on YouTube and not hearing it on Netflix itself. They

1:13:57

know this.

1:13:58

That's

1:13:59

crazy. Nobody could

1:14:03

get these clues. They know it's

1:14:05

Except Iridium. Except Iridium. Yeah. If you can freeze, frame those

1:14:08

shelves. Yeah. All

1:14:10

of Reddit got them.

1:14:13

Yeah. Yeah. It's no superimposed zodiac

1:14:16

constellation imposed.

1:14:20

No. But And

1:14:23

that was in the days when you couldn't freeze frame every year.

1:14:25

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you had a

1:14:27

grainy VHS tape and

1:14:29

you would like you'd have to pause it and and, like,

1:14:31

look past your little staticky lines.

1:14:34

Yeah. It'd be blurry. Uh-huh.

1:14:36

Addison had asked us earlier in the

1:14:38

day, do viewer clues work in a

1:14:40

social media age. I feel like all of Twitter

1:14:42

had figured out it was Cassie based on the clues and it made the last two episodes pretty ho

1:14:44

since it was so

1:14:47

clear it was her. I think maybe

1:14:49

my real answer to all of this is like, this is sort of what

1:14:51

we opt in on when we're

1:14:51

deciding to, like, podcast about a

1:14:54

show and get into, like, podcast

1:14:56

about show and

1:14:58

get into, like, message boards about the show, you wanna know this, to extent. Like, you friends who are helping

1:15:00

you puzzle this thing out, and we wanna do

1:15:02

this together as a group, as a community.

1:15:07

And is it the show's when it's at the end?

1:15:09

If, like, we caught their clues?

1:15:12

Yes. If the

1:15:13

clues are stupid.

1:15:16

And, like, there's no suspense built

1:15:18

into the thing. But oftentimes, there's suspense built into the thing. And I think that this is why we do what we do.

1:15:20

Whether we're on the microphone

1:15:22

or we're in the headphones, and

1:15:26

this is part of it. So I don't know. I like this

1:15:28

aspect of of something like the mole. We're all

1:15:31

just trying to get together and

1:15:33

figure out what's what. At this point, I

1:15:35

want the impossible clues. That's part of the

1:15:37

experience. I want you to tell me all

1:15:39

the obvious things I definitely should

1:15:41

have seen that I didn't see I don't want you

1:15:43

to show me really obvious blatant sabotage

1:15:46

of the mall. Two

1:15:48

episodes before he show

1:15:50

me them all. But -- Yeah. -- I I almost

1:15:52

feel like that the the impossible

1:15:54

clues, like, it's, you know, and not

1:15:57

neither here nor there. Like, it's like that

1:15:59

they're so impossible that

1:15:59

there are of no use to

1:16:02

the actual players and they exist

1:16:04

only so that people on the

1:16:06

Internet can detect them and then immediately spoil your show. So I don't know

1:16:08

what you're gaining out of

1:16:10

even having them in there just

1:16:15

don't do them or do them in a way

1:16:17

that the people who are actually playing

1:16:19

the game might be able

1:16:22

to, you know, figure something

1:16:24

out and talk about it as part

1:16:26

of the show. Like, is this something? But it just is, like, oh, confirm spoiler, is

1:16:30

the mall. Look at this. Mhmm. Yeah.

1:16:32

And they talk

1:16:33

a little bit

1:16:34

about this in the in

1:16:37

the aforementioned

1:16:39

season two memoir. they

1:16:40

talk about like, there was a they

1:16:42

get a telegram and there's numbers across the bottom that spell

1:16:45

out,

1:16:45

like, blank is the

1:16:48

bowl. And

1:16:48

and it's

1:16:50

those

1:16:51

kinds of things like you would not see you

1:16:54

would not pick up on as viewer. But if

1:16:56

you just make everybody aware and especially

1:16:58

now that they've seen an They've seen a season of Anybody that

1:17:00

comes into the show now

1:17:01

is gonna be hyper aware of, like, every

1:17:03

little, like, label and

1:17:06

painting on

1:17:07

the wall and get them all

1:17:09

paranoid about everything that they're given. Like,

1:17:11

let

1:17:11

them be the person in

1:17:14

the in the escape room that's

1:17:16

like, I need to smash

1:17:18

this thing because there's a key inside of it. Yeah. I will say especially by season five,

1:17:20

like the third civilian

1:17:22

season of the original mall.

1:17:26

there were certainly a couple of players who were reading into every

1:17:29

single thing, like, oh, you're sitting in this

1:17:31

chair and that means something

1:17:33

or you got this exemption and that's doesn't seem like

1:17:35

it could have been possible. Let them have those things.

1:17:38

I think the Telegram's a really

1:17:40

great example,

1:17:41

Jess, of, like, give them little puzzles that if they

1:17:44

solve our clues and then give them things that

1:17:46

definitely are not clues, but they're gonna obsess over

1:17:49

anyway. Yeah. So, like, An actual Rubik's

1:17:52

cucumber salad is what you're

1:17:54

pitching. Yes.

1:17:54

Yeah. I'm on the

1:17:56

bread. Thumbs up. AAA

1:17:59

sharp cranberry. Yeah. That would be

1:17:59

make one of those. That's when I

1:18:02

sent that to Josh, you know. There

1:18:06

we do. Yeah.

1:18:07

Sounds great. I think the next time we get together and

1:18:09

watch the bowl in person, I'm bringing Sure

1:18:11

Cuba right now. Let's do

1:18:13

it. I don't have it in front of me

1:18:15

anymore, but I did have the the the the dinners that they ate in the end

1:18:17

written down somewhere where I lost is. And it's a relic of the past. We can leave

1:18:20

it behind. from

1:18:24

Who else do we have? This is from

1:18:26

Adam g. Adam g had written earlier in

1:18:28

the day. Which

1:18:30

challenges were hits this

1:18:32

season? and

1:18:34

which ones were misses? Do we wanna just stroll down memory lane

1:18:36

real quick and think back to some

1:18:38

of the challenges that we really enjoyed

1:18:43

If only we knew somebody that had that done all the challenges

1:18:46

-- Yeah. -- would be helpful

1:18:49

for sure. Wait

1:18:51

a minute. Is

1:18:52

that is

1:18:53

that the shit

1:18:55

hole mold? No. Blah. Wait a

1:18:59

second.

1:18:59

Are you Hello.

1:19:02

The shit hole ball.

1:19:03

Minnesota. Jacob

1:19:07

is here. Yes. Welcome

1:19:11

to the podcast, Jacob. Oh, thank you

1:19:13

guys. Sorry. I'm

1:19:13

at work right now. I don't have

1:19:16

headphones. I hope it

1:19:18

sounds okay. You're good. You're good.

1:19:20

Perfect. A big pop in the chat

1:19:22

as this is not a prank, not a bit. We

1:19:26

have Jacob from the mall with us. Jacob, how is it now that you can

1:19:28

just talk about it? You don't have to lie

1:19:31

about anything. You could talk about what

1:19:33

your experience was. Everybody

1:19:35

knows what's up. Yeah. It's crazy. I

1:19:37

mean, it was a kept secret for so

1:19:39

long. I mean, the production

1:19:41

happened, you know, summer of twenty

1:19:44

twenty one, But

1:19:46

the

1:19:47

casting process, you know, we started that.

1:19:49

Some people started it, like, at the end

1:19:51

of twenty twenty. I got pulled in at

1:19:53

the beginning of twenty twenty one. And now

1:19:55

here we are. almost at the end of twenty twenty two.

1:19:57

It's been, like, a year and

1:19:58

a half. So Yeah. Wow. It has been such a long secret. And

1:19:59

then once

1:20:02

it dropped, Oh my goodness. The DMs and the people coming

1:20:04

at me with questions and asking

1:20:06

me all sorts of things. I'm

1:20:08

finally glad the secrets are over

1:20:11

and I can talk freely. Yeah.

1:20:12

There's a lot like, hurry up and, like, it's, like,

1:20:14

wait and hurry up because you're sitting on the secret for so long, and then it's three

1:20:17

weeks of the mall.

1:20:19

So from, like, slowest molasses

1:20:21

to as fast as humanly possible. Yeah. Absolutely. And

1:20:23

hurry up

1:20:24

and wait.

1:20:28

Exactly. Yeah. Jacob, what

1:20:29

has the reception been like from all of the people

1:20:31

that have watched the show over

1:20:33

these last couple

1:20:36

of weeks? You know, I'll

1:20:37

tell you, it has been phenomenal. I did

1:20:39

not expect the love and support

1:20:42

that I got in the fan

1:20:44

base that I acquired from

1:20:46

the show. And something that I wasn't surprised of is that there's a lot of people who I

1:20:49

was just on

1:20:52

another chant

1:20:54

I heard

1:20:55

a marathon Twitter spaces. Yes. Yes. I

1:20:57

was on

1:20:57

a Twitter space and it was

1:20:59

funny because a lot of the cast was

1:21:01

jumping in and a lot of the people

1:21:03

were Jacob, we didn't know you were this cool nice of a person. You've got some comedic

1:21:05

relief, and you're actually genuine to talk to. And I'm

1:21:07

like, I don't

1:21:09

know if I should be offended, but I'm honor that I can clear my own name, you You

1:21:12

know, towards the end

1:21:14

of the

1:21:15

show that it was

1:21:17

hard to tell if you

1:21:20

and will actually did

1:21:22

get along or if you were getting on each other's nerves. What was that relationship

1:21:28

like? Will

1:21:28

and I had the relationship of brotherly love. You know?

1:21:31

It would be like your two best friends who just

1:21:33

poke at each other and

1:21:35

give each other so much

1:21:37

crap all the time that you just say mean things to

1:21:40

each other. You

1:21:42

know how guys are. and

1:21:45

that's the exact relationship we had. We would just pick on each

1:21:47

other constantly. We loved each other. It was it

1:21:49

was we loved to

1:21:51

hate on each other. It's

1:21:53

a perfect way to put it. Now, the power of editing, so much of the

1:21:55

show was different than what actually but they did a

1:21:58

phenomenal job of

1:21:59

the show. ten

1:22:01

out of ten. And they don't show a whole lot of the relationship where me and Will picked on

1:22:03

each other. They showed him picking on me a lot, but

1:22:06

I didn't get a answer with him as

1:22:08

much. Yeah.

1:22:11

Well, now is your chance. You're live on a podcast. Hundreds of

1:22:13

people watching you live, pick on

1:22:15

will, drag him. Oh,

1:22:18

where do I begin? he's such

1:22:21

an easy target. I mean, he's such a devo

1:22:23

that I could say so many things. Yeah. We've

1:22:25

been we've

1:22:27

been standing up each other and giving

1:22:29

each other some crap on Twitter. It's quite fun. How about joy? Because it

1:22:32

seemed

1:22:32

like it got a little

1:22:34

hot with joy. There is the

1:22:36

icon Nick.

1:22:38

I think you're the shit hole maul. We've

1:22:40

we've been hearing a little bit. There's there's

1:22:42

some chatter that some of that you had

1:22:44

you had been prepared for by joy. Is that

1:22:46

right? You wanna give your side of the story? Yeah. First of all, I wanna say I'm sorry for my presentation wearing

1:22:48

a work shirt. My

1:22:49

hair looks horrible. I'm on a twenty

1:22:51

four hour shift. contrary

1:22:55

to what a lot of the Internet believes. I really am a firefighter.

1:22:57

That's my real job. Mhmm.

1:22:59

But so this was released

1:23:01

on a press

1:23:02

release that Joy did with Netflix

1:23:05

this past week. So I'm gonna go

1:23:07

ahead and talk freely about it. Joy and

1:23:09

I are

1:23:09

really upset that our relationship wasn't shown in the

1:23:12

show because Her

1:23:14

and I hadn't alliance together since episode two

1:23:17

where the big red button mission going

1:23:19

into the Great Barrier Reef.

1:23:21

Her and I were working together Now

1:23:23

throughout every episode, you know, there's a lot

1:23:25

of content that got missed where the players

1:23:27

would get together and we would talk,

1:23:29

you know, whether it be on

1:23:31

the beach or you know, in a hotel room

1:23:34

walking down the street, they would wanna see everybody's gameplay. And

1:23:36

every time that happens, when

1:23:38

we weren't in a mission, would

1:23:41

say, alright, Jacob and Joy, we need to get you

1:23:43

guys together because they knew about our alliance and they knew that we were trying to manipulate other players, get

1:23:45

other players out of

1:23:48

the game. Well, we did

1:23:50

that through the whole show. And when it came time to the infamous shit

1:23:52

hole

1:23:56

bowl, We

1:23:56

had people who were suspecting us. And she said, we

1:23:58

need to have a fight. We need to throw some

1:23:59

people

1:24:00

off

1:24:03

our trail. some of the players suspect

1:24:03

that we're working together. She's like, I'm gonna call you out at dinner

1:24:06

tonight. And I said, okay. I said, I'll call you.

1:24:08

I said,

1:24:10

we'll fight. And she's like, yep. Let's do it.

1:24:12

hard until it actually happened, so I

1:24:14

had to act very shocked and very

1:24:16

angry. And I really was because I

1:24:18

had no idea she was gonna say those

1:24:20

things scratch my head going.

1:24:22

How do I compete with this? Oh, yeah. Okay. So I came back at her and

1:24:24

afterwards, we were like, you're

1:24:26

the poop on my shoe. Yeah.

1:24:30

I was like, hey, if she's following the term

1:24:32

shit, I'm just gonna take it one more

1:24:34

one more, you know, foot length. And

1:24:36

so afterwards, we were like, oh,

1:24:39

that was awesome. Good job. We we

1:24:41

really did that good, and it was fun. It was a blast. We

1:24:43

have a question in the chat right now from Angela who

1:24:45

is asking Jacob, did

1:24:47

you did you throw

1:24:50

the car ride with joy.

1:24:53

Did you throw that challenge? What

1:24:55

really happened there? Oh, okay.

1:24:57

The car ride. So that was

1:24:59

an interesting challenge. Joy and I

1:25:01

had both come off of

1:25:03

lost missions. So

1:25:04

we both had failed in a previous

1:25:06

mission, and we already, you know,

1:25:09

we

1:25:09

wanted to work together because

1:25:11

of our alliance and because we fit

1:25:13

well together. And we decided, yeah, let's do

1:25:15

this car mission. Well,

1:25:18

Neither of us threw it. We both tried really hard

1:25:20

to bring money to the pot for our team,

1:25:23

and that's what we wanted. Unfortunately,

1:25:25

it didn't end that way. You know,

1:25:27

Joy's getting a lot of on social medias, especially, like, Twitter because

1:25:29

of her job as a pilot in

1:25:32

reading maps. Well,

1:25:35

you gotta take into consideration the maps that

1:25:37

the show gives us

1:25:38

aren't legit real maps. You know,

1:25:40

the map that we had

1:25:42

to follow for the car mission was

1:25:44

a map with a little black

1:25:46

drawing with little caricature of cars and mailboxes,

1:25:48

and it was like, hey,

1:25:51

you need to go up to

1:25:53

this house number and here's

1:25:55

your first mailbox. You know, it was completely crazy that crazy

1:25:58

that we had to look at this map that wasn't one hundred

1:26:00

percent accurate. We were under a speed restriction. I

1:26:02

mean, I wasn't allowed to go with certain

1:26:04

speed. I got yelled at

1:26:06

a lot for exceeding that. How fast

1:26:08

did you go? How how much did

1:26:11

you push it? Right.

1:26:11

Too much. I don't

1:26:13

know the terms

1:26:16

and kilometers because

1:26:18

that's how they justify their speeds over their kilometers per hour. But I remember at some point, they

1:26:24

strictly, like, production got on and

1:26:26

yelled at me and said, Jacob, you were going way too fast. You need to slow down. I might have been pushing sixty at

1:26:29

one point. And

1:26:32

they're like, Stop it. Stop it. You

1:26:34

can't. This is ridiculous. You know, drive a train. What are you supposed to do? Exactly.

1:26:36

I gotta beat

1:26:39

a train. Come on. Let

1:26:41

me I am a professional

1:26:43

driver. I'm supposed to go places fast. Let me do my job. Yeah.

1:26:48

We've

1:26:48

got this from Ryan in the chat

1:26:50

as well. Ryan says, Jacob, how

1:26:53

was the pizza pigeon

1:26:55

challenge? I was cracking up when

1:26:57

there ended up being three Pizza dudes that you had to follow. And what happened to

1:26:59

the chili? Uh-huh. Yeah. What was the

1:27:01

chili? I don't think that was

1:27:04

ever really breast

1:27:06

on the show. I you

1:27:08

know, that was such an annoying challenge. It

1:27:10

was like a circus. We walk into

1:27:12

this challenge. Will and I were working

1:27:14

together and We were told, you go to this pizzeria and you

1:27:17

gotta get to Avery. Good

1:27:19

luck. Okay. So we started

1:27:20

at the bottom. We're like, there's

1:27:22

gotta be a clue here somewhere. come

1:27:24

to find out, you know, we get the phone.

1:27:26

And so we were just kinda looking around till Avery called us. And we're like, holy cow, the phone works. And

1:27:31

that's the only thing the phone was for was to receive calls. I know a lot of people are

1:27:33

saying, why didn't you call her back and give her the phone number

1:27:35

on the box?

1:27:38

Mhmm. And Will and I are trying to clarify, it would only take incoming

1:27:40

calls.

1:27:41

We weren't allowed to call

1:27:43

Avery. And

1:27:45

and it

1:27:46

was just super confusing. It took us forever

1:27:48

to figure it out. And I'm looking at these pizza

1:27:50

boxes going, we're missing something. It's right in front of

1:27:53

our face. And Sure enough. I'm like, there's

1:27:55

a number on this. Maybe we should tell Avery

1:27:57

to place an order, and she had

1:27:59

that

1:27:59

order large

1:28:02

pepperoni pizza with chili. heck, I don't know. I'll tell you one thing, though. When that

1:28:04

pizza got there was hard as a rock and

1:28:06

black. So -- Oh. -- she left it

1:28:09

in the oven for the whole time. We were doing

1:28:11

this challenge. his available. Yeah. It's

1:28:13

incredible. I I had

1:28:16

a I had a question about

1:28:18

that actually. Were you not allowed

1:28:20

to tell Avery the number

1:28:22

on the side of the box? Yeah. So I was going to,

1:28:24

but then she hung up on me if

1:28:26

you remember in the shoes. I'm so good.

1:28:30

she goes, there's no number. I gotta call the

1:28:32

girls. Click and I look at Will and he

1:28:34

looks at me. I'm like, what the hell?

1:28:36

the hell And he's like,

1:28:38

you're the one that put her there. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I did hope for

1:28:40

her to be in that position. Okay. Whatever. But

1:28:43

and then she called and placed the order

1:28:45

and you see me and Will go. What is that? I said,

1:28:47

I bet it's Dave, we're replacing a pizza order. And then she calls

1:28:49

us and says, I just place an order. We're like,

1:28:51

oh, we're so surprised.