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Welcome , oh my gosh . On the

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show today I have

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with me Marie Ruzicka . She

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is a dear friend

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of mine . She calls

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herself a catalyst for joy

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Gosh . I just love that

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, and she's normally

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like upgrading the conversation

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around wealth monetarily

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speaking . But on today's show

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, because we don't talk about money

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per se but we do talk about wealth

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in , like emotional wealth

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, sexual wealth , all

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the yummy , sensual type wealths

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, and

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she definitely has something to say about this . So

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today we are talking about , among

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other things , how her single life

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was affected when she applied what I teach

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. So thank you , marie , for

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joining me today .

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Oh my gosh , I'm so glad I'm here

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, it's so good to reconnect with you we

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haven't talked in so long and that

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last conversation we had and you're

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saying you're good to have this podcast

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, so I thought we got

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to tell the story of what happened between us

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, you know , and yeah , yes

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, we do , absolutely so

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.

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Marie's been my friend for a number of years

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now and I

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guess how our how this

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story begins and please

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fill in the blanks as as we go

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here but I'm thinking it begins

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when and maybe this is I'm

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picturing us at Mission Beach about to go

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in the water boogie boarding . And I think this

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is where this conversation started

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, where you were asking me about

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my beta group . I had just launched my

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program and you

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were like you know how's it going ? You

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know normal conversations that friends have

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finding out what our friend is into

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and how it's going . And I'm

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telling you and , and at one point

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you said , well , why

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is it you've never invited me

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to be part of your beta group ? And

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I was kind of embarrassed at

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the time because I'm like , oh

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, that wasn't a very nice friend thing

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to do to be talking about my

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program and oh , wow , you know these ladies are

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having all this success , but I didn't

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invite my friend to be part of my program

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. But the reason okay , in my defense

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, you , it's a good defense , it's a good defense

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, you , it's a good defense . I

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think A

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you were single . B

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I

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had nothing to fix with you . Like

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, you had a beautiful sex

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life . Even your first time was

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beautiful and considerate , and your

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partner was lovely and you've

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already always had really great experiences

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. And here I am wanting to help

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people and wanting to fix women's

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sex lives , and you didn't have anything

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to fix . So I thought , oh

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well , that would just be like

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I'd have nothing to teach you . So

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that's why I never asked you to

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be part of my . So

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that's why I never asked you to be part of my , my beta group , when I launched it

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, and so I do apologize . I think I've apologized before , but I'm going to apologize

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publicly , very publicly again , that

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that I I never , you know , I just assumed

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that you knew everything

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there was to know and didn't have

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anything else to learn from

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little old me . Apologize

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for that assumption .

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Oh , you know I

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, you know it's . It's so interesting when sometimes

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, when you bring up a story , you think , oh my gosh

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, I'm going to tell that story again . But this I just

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love the joy in in what

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happened . Right after that we had just

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done a full boogie boarding session . It was so

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much fun . We met every Monday

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and we were at the restaurant

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and that's when you were sharing , and outside

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in California . I mean , come on , it was just gorgeous

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and really

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the conversation just

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led to if

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I don't . For me it was

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just

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led to . You know , if I don't . For me it was like , why wouldn't I want to know a skill that would better

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my experience ? And so

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it was so easy . And then the just conversation

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just got so easy . You got me the link

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, I started to do the course

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and it was so

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fun . It

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was fun to think because to me

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, I just don't want any

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type of sexual experience , I want a connection

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.

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Right , right , not so much a wham bam

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, thank you , ma'am , like just for

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the sake of sex . But

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I'm with you there , like it's kind of hollow

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for me without a deep emotional

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connection and just like yeah . But

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I want to back up just a little bit and

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expand on what you said , unpack this a little

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bit , because you said you

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had touched on I can't remember exactly what you just said

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, but you had said something about wanting

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to learn more because I find you

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know , we think we know

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a lot about what

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we know , and some people think , oh , yeah , yeah , yeah

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, yeah , I'm good , we're good , we're good in

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the bedroom , it's all good . Or my sex

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life's fine . I always have a great sex life

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, it's fine , so I don't need

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to learn anything else , and so it's

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interesting that you said you

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know this would be something else for me to

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learn . I

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think that's important to have a mind that is always exploring and humble

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enough to know that we don't know everything about

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anything .

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Well , I knew how much , I didn't know

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. But

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isn't it interesting how we make assumptions

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? We make assumptions even with people who

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know each other , and so

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that's I love . I love this idea

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of awakening to something new

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. And that's really

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you're you . You have talked

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about this , for you had talked about this

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idea for really

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as as long as I have known you . So

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it's always this intriguing little thing

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like what would this be ? What would this look

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like it ? Because it was a beta test . Like I love

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beta tests , because I love

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coming in and going . You know what about ? You tried this and

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what do you try ? Yeah , I just , you know to me , yummy

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, beta test , yay and so

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, but and here , an awesome

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subject . So , yeah

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, right , yeah , it was . It was

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really the shift

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was so lovely and it was so easy

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, and I certainly never I

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mean , they never took

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offense . It was really like are

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you considering single people , because

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they're a large part of the population

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?

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here here

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. Right , I just figured . Well , you know , my techniques are erotic massage , where you have

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to actually roll up your sleeves literally and get your hands in oil

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and put them on a man's body . And

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you were single at the time and

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I just assumed that I would

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not be serving a single

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women population . I

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always thought , well , you know , if you don't

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have someone to practice on , you're not going to want

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to learn these techniques . That

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I was totally dumb back then and

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I didn't realize . I didn't

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realize , oh well , those are the ladies who actually need

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the confidence and the skillset

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to go out and , you know , get themselves

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a guy and rock it . Yeah

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, it didn't even occur to me to serve a

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single demographic at

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all . So I'm so glad you are instrumental

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in me changing who

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I thought I would be helping and

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, re , you know , changing my messaging

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just a little bit to include the single ladies

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out there . So thank you for that . Yeah

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, that , yeah , yeah you were ground zero

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single person . You , you were , you

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were the number one , you were it . I

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didn't choose any other single ladies , you

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were , you were the first person . So

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I really appreciate that . Okay , so

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you don't . You jumped in . Yep , you

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looked at some training videos and

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I do want to mention to the listeners

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who I'm sure most of the listeners

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who are listening to this haven't

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been through my program and they're like what are they talking

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about ? And so I don't

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demonstrate anything on a cucumber . I

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don't have drawings and like just

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graphics , it's all video

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, it's all like um

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, camera is pointed

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at my hands and a guy's privates

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and I'm actually

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showing and teaching on

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a male body , a live male

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body , not a , not a dummy , not a

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, not a cucumber , not a

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dildo . Um , I

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cause , I figure , I can't figure , I can't show all

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these things in detail without having

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the real thing , and I wanted it

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to feel educational and very

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step-by-step , instructional , not

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like , you

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know , raunchy or all

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embarrassed that , oh , we can't show a real penis

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, because that's a bad thing . I'm trying to , you know

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, change the education around

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the private parts . They're

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normal , they're lovely parts and

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they are to be respected and understood

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, and so I had to show on

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a real live guy . That's

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why you have to be an adult to watch my stuff

10:05

. Yeah

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, this isn't like the Joy of sex book or anything

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. This is , this is all video . So

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you jumped in , you

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watch some videos and

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then , and then what ? What happened

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? What was , what was the journey for you

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?

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Yeah , so so you know , people

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say that knowledge is power , but knowledge , knowledge

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, knowledge is not power . Knowledge

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is potential power , right ? So

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the idea of I have all this knowledge and I'm walking

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around with this brazen knowledge of

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you know , like , oh my gosh , who is

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the guy who's going to be have

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this possibility and opportunity to

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practice with me

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? Right ? Who's the lucky guy

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? Who's the lucky guy

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out there ? And isn't it fun to just consider

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that , wait , wait , I have , I have skills

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, I have knowledge . Now , and that's what made it

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so fun . So , literally , I

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, you know , I

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want to make because most of

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your listeners won't know me I

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went into what who would

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I want to choose ? I wanted to choose a man

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that I already knew . I wanted

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to choose someone who's a friend . I

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wanted to choose someone who I

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could trust . I mean , my gosh , you're doing something

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very privately . So I want to

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make sure , in this scenario

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, I want to be really clear that it

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just wasn't any guy on the street . I want

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to be really clear that I just wasn't any guy on the street or any guy that I was

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, you know , had had , you know , wanted to have

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a relationship with . That

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wasn't it at all it's just literally

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wanted to practice , and so you know , I just it was a really

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cool conversation . I

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was really a part

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of this ecstatic dance community

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and so we had this wonderful gentleman . We'd

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known each other for a couple of years . After

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the dances we would , as

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a whole group , go out to lunch and

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our conversations were just fun and a little bit flirty

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, and so it was a fun relationship right . I really saw

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it as a fun friend

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relationship . And just one

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day it just so happened

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that we were on a motorcycle ride together

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and I thought , hmm

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, can I ask him now

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? And I thought , first

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of all , let me wait till he's on a straightaway

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.

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Right , because that could be jolting

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and take

12:35

him off guard just a little bit .

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And you know , to me the whole

12:39

fun factor of this , you know , and the fact

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that I said , hey , my

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friend Lee is doing this wonderful beta test

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about erotic massage

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, and I paused , I

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thought yeah , let it sink , let

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it land , did he hear ?

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me , you know , like this long pause

12:58

Because you're commenting on

13:00

the bike right , so you can't see his

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facial expression .

13:03

And it was . You know , it's just so playful and

13:05

so fun and we just got into this conversation

13:08

of that sounds awesome

13:10

. What does

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that look like ? You know , I'm

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sure I mean I

13:17

haven't talked to him in you know like what

13:19

? I don't remember what that felt like

13:21

because that was a couple of years ago , so more

13:23

than a couple of years ago . Oh my gosh .

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Yeah , it was a few years ago .

13:26

Yeah , yeah . So anyway , we

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made a date for that , and

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what was really clear is that we had such

13:33

good communication . So

13:36

, and I knew that this would

13:38

be an ace in the hole for him

13:40

. I mean , it was like so fun for him , right

13:42

, but for me , he , we , I wanted

13:44

to make sure that if at any point that

13:46

I was feeling uncomfortable , that I wanted

13:49

out that I had that I

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had . You know that we talked about

13:53

that , yeah , and that was , oh

13:55

my gosh , that was so wonderful just to have

13:57

that in play , and so

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it was just

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such a fun evening

14:05

and really I was almost

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seeing it and I know this seems strange , I

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was almost seeing as a science project , right

14:11

. I'm always seeing like I have to do

14:13

these things . You know , you've given me what

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I love is you use food . You

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use food as the premise of each

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of the moves that you do , right

14:23

, yeah , and uh , you know the , the

14:25

, the easy ones , and I'm sure you

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know I the easy ones , and I'm sure you know butter and

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powdered sugar and orange

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juice , and you know those

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sweet , wonderful , and

14:37

I would , literally we were . He's

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just having a conversation , right , and

14:42

I'm telling him all of this , so but

14:44

it ends up like we're getting into more

14:47

than just here's what I'm doing and all of a sudden

14:49

we're having this really wonderful conversation

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about like why

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don't more couples have this kind of

14:56

playful fun

15:07

? You know it . Just , it ended up being an evening of . It was really cool . It was cool to go through

15:09

everyone that I had learned and I did it . You're so wonderful

15:11

about saying make sure don't look at them all

15:13

. Go step by step .

15:15

Right .

15:16

And um , yeah , it was . It was a wonderful

15:18

evening with a person that I totally

15:21

trusted and that I had

15:23

my out if there was any uncomfortability

15:26

and it just it really

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ended up being a wonderful

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evening .

15:32

Yeah , and I

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mean I'm glad it ended so well . I

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actually I haven't heard any stories of

15:38

where it ends really bad . It's

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usually pretty juicy and

15:43

leads to other very juicy things , but

15:45

so , um . But . So let's

15:48

be clear here you had not been

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intimate with this guy prior

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to this evening that you , or this day

15:56

that you decided to do these techniques on him

15:58

for the first time , correct ?

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That is very correct .

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Right and so so I

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would imagine I mean , yes , it went really

16:06

well , but before you

16:09

actually like he lays down

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on the bed and you actually

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put the oil on your hands and put your

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hands on his body and his

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privates that you've never seen nor

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touched before , what was

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your state of mind ? I can imagine you would

16:23

be a little nervous the first time

16:26

.

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Yeah , but before getting to that point

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, you know we had a long conversation

16:30

that ended up being you know , I love that we laughed

16:33

. I love that you know that we came up with the idea

16:35

of at any point , if you want out

16:37

, we're going to . We're going to do that

16:39

, you know , because you know , gosh , you

16:41

know I wasn't looking for a relationship

16:44

, I was looking for someone to practice with , and

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that isn't my MO . I go

16:48

in and I want to have a relationship

16:51

with someone , and so , because it wasn't my MO

16:53

, I felt that that kind of offness

16:56

to it . And , um

16:58

, I guess I remember texting you and going

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do you put water in the the

17:02

? The thing with the washcloth

17:04

on the crock pot ? No , don't

17:07

put the water in there . I

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remember that and

17:12

it was so funny before he got there . And

17:14

, um , so I felt like I also had

17:16

you , you coaching

17:18

me all the way through , just without

17:21

you being there . But just because

17:24

, because you're so clear , you were

17:26

so super duper clear on

17:28

what these techniques do , what they

17:30

mean , how it feels

17:32

like everything . You just

17:34

so it really felt like there

17:37

was . No , it's not like I

17:39

didn't know what it looked like , it's not like I didn't

17:41

have fun with it before , but it's

17:43

just , it just it was such a newness and

17:46

it was so fun and joyous

17:48

and so yeah , and

17:50

for our listeners who who

17:53

don't really know what she's

17:55

talking about .

17:56

Marie , you mentioned the the hot towel thing

17:58

with a crock pot in the water and stuff . So

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I have a . I have a module where I show

18:02

you how to make hot towels if you

18:04

don't have a towel warmer , and there's

18:06

a few different ways you can go about doing that . But

18:09

it's sort of like the cherry on the top at the

18:11

end of this massage to give them , wipe

18:13

them down with some hot towels . It's just

18:15

really yummy . So that's what that was about

18:17

. So if you have a crock pot , you can .

18:19

You can do the hot towel thing but

18:22

there's other ways to make the hot towels but

18:24

that's what she was referring to .

18:26

Yeah , so

18:29

okay . So what was his

18:31

reaction ? The first time you

18:34

started doing butter

18:36

and powdered sugar and you

18:39

know all the techniques that you tried that

18:41

first time what was

18:43

his initial reaction ?

18:48

It was so interesting because I stayed clothed too

18:51

. I wanted to make sure that this was this , was

18:53

that I ? You know , that's a really

18:55

important part right , we're

18:57

clothed . He was naked yeah , because

18:59

I didn't . The thing is , if you get that

19:01

kind of you know that tension

19:03

, that sexual tension , then it

19:05

I'm not doing

19:08

it for that . I I am really doing it for

19:10

practice . And it just you

19:13

know what are you going to do , right and

19:16

anyway .

19:18

And I had encouraged you to

19:20

insist

19:22

that he just receive and not

19:25

be reaching for you and trying to pleasure

19:27

you .

19:28

I forgot this part . Oh yeah , I forgot this part . Oh yeah

19:30

, I forgot this part . Okay , so , so I , because we

19:32

are on a bed , you know , you , I , we

19:34

didn't have a massage table , because he was

19:36

on a bed , I was straddling his leg

19:39

and and he

19:41

started moving his leg

19:43

and I

19:45

went nope , nope

19:48

, nope , nope , nope , nope , nope , nope .

19:50

Thanks , but no , yeah , thank you

19:52

Awesome . Because I mean in

19:54

his defense he's thinking okay

19:56

, I'm feeling so good , I want to reciprocate

19:59

, I know I know .

20:00

But and it was very playful on my no , I

20:02

said no , sir , this is our

20:04

agreement . And I said

20:06

this is only for you to receive . And

20:08

literally in that moment I just

20:11

felt all the tension go out

20:13

of him that he fully

20:15

received and it was , you

20:18

know . I know that he has mentioned that sense

20:21

and it was really so lovely to

20:23

, because the stress

20:26

of them on a , on both parties

20:28

to , you know , when you're first getting to

20:30

know each other and all this kind of craziness , um

20:33

but why ? Why leave the stress

20:35

? Like I love , the idea

20:37

of what you promote

20:39

is that this is your

20:41

time , your time

20:43

, me practice , you

20:46

enjoy .

20:47

Right , the guy just receiving , and guys

20:50

aren't used to receiving , they're used to giving

20:52

. Which gosh , God

20:54

love you . I love that you guys

20:56

are givers and providers and all that . I

20:58

love , love , love , love , love , love that . So

21:02

it's it's kind of nice

21:04

to turn those tables a little bit and let

21:06

the guy receive it's . It's

21:09

a new thing for a lot of guys .

21:11

Oh , that was so nice to just feel

21:14

his body , just go like

21:16

oh my gosh , are you flipping ? Kidding me ? No

21:18

stress , like okay , go yeah

21:20

. And and the

21:22

fact that we just kept the conversation going

21:25

you know we already had that playful

21:27

banter about each

21:29

with each other , so that's

21:32

that's what I felt is like I trust

21:34

this guy , I like really like

21:36

being in the presence of this man and

21:39

he understood what , what

21:41

the context was for me , that

21:43

he didn't have to be anything

21:45

but just a person enjoying

21:48

pleasure .

21:53

Right , and , and I want , I want to just address like I love that you said that you guys had

21:56

this conversation during

21:58

this whole play session , let's call it

22:00

. There's so

22:02

many people out

22:04

there who are not comfortable with

22:06

talking in the bedroom , so much so that

22:08

they would say , oh well , that that would ruin

22:10

the mood . If we're talking the whole time like

22:13

, shut up and let me concentrate on the orgasm

22:15

, you know , what would you say

22:17

to that ?

22:19

You know that we're all unique , we're

22:22

a unique point of nature

22:24

. And if you get two people who don't want to talk and

22:26

have that kind of that kind of an intimacy thing

22:28

, hey , and you're having a great sex

22:30

life . More power to you . I love

22:32

it . I , on the other hand

22:34

, once that kind of playfulness

22:36

, you know , I , I am a quality time . If

22:38

you're talking about the five love languages , quality time

22:41

is high . I just don't want

22:43

to sit in front of a TV watching

22:45

, you know , a show or a

22:47

game . I want that quality

22:49

time . So this is totally

22:51

works in my favor to have quality

22:53

time with someone . And what

22:56

I liked is that , because you , each

22:58

of the , each of the moves has a name to

23:00

it , I wanted to make sure that he knew what

23:02

I was doing , that I wasn't just moving

23:05

from one thing to the other . I said , now

23:07

, this is called butter . Moving

23:10

from one thing to the other , I said , now , this is called

23:13

butter , and

23:16

then that cause , that was , you know , that's the first

23:18

move , and just to do this idea of what butter was . And

23:20

is that , wow , okay , awesome , Feels good , all right , go , okay , yeah , it was

23:22

really , it was really really fun and

23:24

and and you know , powdered sugar is obvious

23:27

.

23:27

It's my favorite cause there's a lovely story

23:29

about powdered sugar that we can talk about

23:31

now or later that

23:52

I've expanded on it in my program since you experienced it and incorporate a lot more communication

23:54

so that it opens up . Like there's so many silent

23:56

conversations we're having in our head like

23:58

, oh , I wish he would do this . Or

24:01

oh yeah , he's so close but he's

24:03

not quite there , but we don't actually say

24:05

the words . You know , move a little bit to the right

24:07

, we don't say those words . And

24:09

so to kind of crack the door open

24:12

to communication in the bedroom , everybody

24:16

wins in that scenario . And

24:20

so I kind of bake it into the training

24:22

of the program now where I'm

24:25

saying , okay , ask these either , or questions

24:27

to find out how to get those techniques just right

24:30

for him . Like if you're doing butter on

24:32

your guy , maybe you're doing it a

24:34

tad fast and you need to slow

24:36

it down , and you won't know until you

24:38

ask him , because your hands are

24:40

on his body . He's just happy . But

24:43

if you try to make it even better , then

24:46

okay , that changes

24:48

the whole environment . It's like , oh

24:50

, she's not just trying to get something over

24:52

with , she's

24:54

basking in this , she's enjoying

24:57

this and she wants to get it just right

24:59

for me we're all good and she

25:01

wants to even make it better . That

25:04

does a lot for just a relationship in general

25:06

, to know that your partner wants to do

25:08

better . And

25:11

so I love the communication

25:13

. And also if

25:16

you , if you

25:18

try one thing with a partner and

25:21

it works , and then you try

25:24

that same thing with a different partner , it

25:26

may not work . So it's

25:28

good to have the lines of communication open

25:30

so that there can be a course

25:32

correction , because he may be thinking

25:35

, oh yeah , this , this has worked every

25:37

time I've done this on a woman , but maybe it doesn't

25:39

work on you . So it's good to

25:41

be able to say hey , a for

25:43

effort , but hey , can we try something different kind

25:46

of thing or whatever words are . But

25:48

communication is important

25:50

because we can't just assume that

25:52

we know that person's body , because we can't

25:54

read their mind , so we

25:56

don't really know what's going on .

25:57

I love that you promote that in the in the course

26:00

too . I it is so cool to say

26:02

I'm doing this , this

26:04

move , and

26:06

do you want it ? Do you want it fast

26:08

? Do you want to slow , is it ? Did

26:11

you like it ? Random , right

26:13

, whatever it is , you know , just for

26:16

the feel good factor , Because

26:18

you know what , when I'm in a partnership

26:21

, I want to make sure that the same

26:23

thing is happening on the other end

26:26

when he is pleasuring

26:28

me .

26:29

Exactly , you kind of set the stage

26:31

for this is how it's going to go

26:33

, like I'm demonstrating

26:36

for you how

26:39

we can make our sex life like through

26:41

the roof . So when he gets

26:43

to feel , oh , oh , yeah , that

26:45

, ooh , she just whoo , she

26:48

just took that to Saturn , like

26:50

I thought I was on the moon , but we just

26:52

went around the rings of Saturn just now . Wow

26:55

, holy cow . So when he

26:57

sees the benefit to a little bit more communication

26:59

, then he's more likely to

27:02

be open to communication when it comes

27:04

to pleasuring you . Yes , yeah

27:06

, you got to show him how it's done .

27:08

Hello , hello . Why wouldn't you want

27:10

to do that ? When you talked about the people ? Yeah

27:12

, you got to show them how it's done . Hello , hello . Why wouldn't you want

27:14

to do that ? When you , when you talked about the people who don't

27:16

like to talk in the bedroom , if

27:19

you said , like , where could you take it ? If you did ask , like , maybe if you have

27:21

one session where you say , could we just do

27:23

this so we can and we can even stay , one

27:26

of us can stay clothed and we can just like

27:28

, like loving on one person

27:31

, how do you like it ? Do

27:39

you like it hard , fast , slow , soft , you know what , whatever it is ? And and how do you feel today

27:41

? Because today may not be the same thing as yesterday

27:43

, just like you said . So

27:45

, Exactly .

27:47

Preferences do change . Yeah , yeah

27:49

, so to to just

27:51

be open . Open to that , that's so good . Okay

27:54

, tell me , your your powdered sugar story .

27:56

Well , so it ended

27:58

up . It ended up . It ended up

28:00

that we had , you know , a two year

28:03

wonderful relationship and

28:05

, uh , so appreciate

28:08

the fact that . You know the first

28:10

of all , he's such a playful man anyway

28:12

, and it's so fun to be with

28:14

him and

28:16

it was so cool as I was learning this technique

28:18

. He was also , you know , learning

28:21

other things , so he could pleasure me more

28:23

, and that was so fun to

28:25

have this back and forth . It was very

28:27

balanced and harmonious

28:29

. So there

28:32

was just one day because we often

28:34

, often , didn't see each other all the time and

28:37

we were on the phone with each other and he said

28:39

I'm touching

28:41

myself and I said , oh , can

28:45

I see ? And

28:47

he pulls the phone for

28:50

me to see him and he's powder

28:53

flippin' sugaring himself

28:55

and this , you know

28:58

, the idea of whoa

29:01

it was a huge

29:03

like boom , like

29:06

I wasn't just doing this for myself

29:08

, it was , it

29:12

shook me . It shook me

29:14

. Yes , it was really cool . Yes

29:16

, it was awesome to watch . But

29:18

, and that that gave

29:20

him pleasure , that so much though , that he was doing

29:23

it for himself , and , um

29:25

, that that was a big

29:27

aha moment for me . Yes

29:30

, that what , what ? am I doing for

29:32

him that is going to leave him

29:34

? I want to leave people better than how

29:37

I found them , right , and

29:39

we've stayed friends In fact

29:41

, I'm going to have a conversation with him tonight and

29:44

we've stayed friends and this

29:46

idea of I've

29:48

left him better than how I found him

29:50

Wow , I want to leave everybody that

29:53

way , that this idea of having

29:55

this wonderful conversations and

29:57

this . That's why I call myself a catalyst

29:59

for joy . I'm the catalyst

30:01

, like I did you , you

30:03

do whatever you want to do with it , but

30:06

that I want to be the catalyst

30:08

and the joy factor of people's

30:10

lives , so that

30:12

I want to be the catalyst and the joy factor of people's lives

30:14

.

30:14

So , yeah

30:17

, I would definitely say you're a magnifier of joy too . You'll , you'll take joy and you'll just

30:19

magnify it . That's been my experience . So , yeah , yeah

30:21

, catalyst and magnifier Good to add that

30:25

I do like that , hello .

30:27

Thank you

30:29

.

30:29

Yeah , and I love that you made a difference

30:31

for him in how he pleasures

30:33

himself , like how he wants . He's changing

30:36

how he touches himself Because

30:38

a lot of guys , you know , they , like

30:40

I , teach women how to

30:44

outdo a guy

30:46

when it comes to touching a guy's body

30:48

. No , men don't believe

30:50

that you could touch them in a better way than

30:52

they know how to touch themselves . But they've

30:55

never touched themselves in these ways . They've

30:57

never been taught all these ways . And I have like

31:00

well over 69 different techniques

31:02

is my tagline to

31:04

, to , to touch a guy's

31:07

private . Guys don't know 69

31:09

different techniques . They know

31:11

a few . You know , mostly up

31:13

and down , but

31:15

it , you know , it's . It's

31:17

wonderful that women can come along and

31:19

go oh , you , just , you just lay

31:21

there , lay there , I , I

31:23

just , I got this , I

31:26

got this . You're gonna want to take notes

31:28

later , but for now , you , just , you

31:30

just close your eyes and relax , because

31:32

I'm going to , I'm going to take you

31:34

to town here . Like this is going to be

31:36

something you've never experienced before and

31:39

I I take great pride in

31:41

making women

31:44

that powerful , like . I had a coaching

31:46

call last night and one of the ladies

31:49

on the call she said , yeah , the power

31:51

I feel like

31:53

I'm powerful now I

31:56

have . I have like 10

31:59

magic wands here that I can just wave

32:01

around and magic happens

32:03

. So

32:05

I just love that how we

32:07

can educate guys on

32:10

how to up-level their own self-pleasure

32:13

Although I will say it's

32:16

also a great way to make yourself indispensable , because

32:18

a lot of the techniques they can't really do

32:20

on themselves because

32:23

they can't get at

32:25

their parts from that angle

32:27

you know , yeah no

32:30

. So it kind of makes you a hot

32:33

commodity . You

32:37

got this magic hands and

32:39

can't do for himself what you

32:41

can do for him . Oh my gosh Right

32:44

, that's , that's power .

32:46

That is power . You know

32:48

when I kept saying the word brazen when

32:50

I first , how many times I told

32:52

you that brazen , this brazen

32:55

power that you

32:57

know . The idea of taking shame

33:00

out of the bedroom and to put power

33:02

back in , and this coming

33:05

into the bedroom as equals and unique

33:08

and yet equal , and

33:10

it is there . There is such

33:12

a loveliness about it , uh

33:15

, and I your , your course is

33:17

is just absolutely tremendous

33:19

. I can't recommend it high enough . When

33:22

somebody is coming into a new relationship , I say

33:24

, hey , here's

33:27

the link , go for it . You

33:29

know .

33:30

Oh , that's so sweet , so sweet of you . Thank you , I didn't

33:33

know you did that oh , absolutely

33:35

, absolutely that's

33:37

so lovely . Well , I just

33:39

um , actually

33:41

, I have one more question for you before

33:44

I let you go . Uh , what

33:46

would you say ? Would

33:48

be say , you're just general

33:50

confidence level

33:53

before you

33:56

had this skillset and now that you have

33:58

this skillset , like would you say that

34:00

there's enough of a

34:02

difference to notice your

34:04

level of confidence regarding

34:06

being in a relationship and and being

34:09

with men ?

34:12

That's I mean really , when you think about

34:14

the scope of what you're asking here , because

34:17

you know , like you said , I felt like I

34:19

was . You know I was living a wonderful

34:22

life and so I felt , you know

34:24

, it's like you when you don't know

34:26

that , you don't know Right

34:28

, right . But then when you know , it's

34:31

as if you the oh , don't know right , right , but then when you know , it's as if you don't know

34:33

, part goes away like I can't even remember

34:35

myself that

34:38

way . So this

34:40

, this idea of , but I , and

34:43

yet , and when I think about it , I do remember , you

34:45

know , all my other relationships prior to

34:47

, and there was that sense of , oh

34:49

, my gosh , I wish I would have had this for them

34:51

too . I wish I would have known this

34:53

for them . And but not thinking

34:56

, you know I , they , they helped get

34:58

me here . All of my other

35:00

relationships got me here . But

35:02

this idea of now that I have this

35:04

skill is still

35:07

this there's a power inside that

35:09

I don't need to ever . It's

35:11

not that I don't ever want to do it again . I want

35:13

to do it again . I want the idea

35:15

of having a partner and practicing again , and

35:17

what would that look like ? And

35:24

it's just , um , yeah , but I , I think it's this , you know , like it's almost . Is it like

35:26

a temperature gauge , where you feel like

35:28

you know , cold

35:31

is awesome , but hot

35:33

is walking around , feeling like

35:35

this , this , like

35:37

I know something you don't . With every

35:39

conversation you know , especially

35:42

when you're interested in like I

35:44

know something you don't , and there's , there's , and

35:47

you know there's . Then

35:49

all , all of a sudden , playfulness comes in , right

35:52

, and so so , um

35:54

, to me , I feel like before

35:57

I had this lovely

36:00

thing that I thought was that was the deal

36:02

, and now it's just this insert of

36:04

playfulness and insert of you know

36:06

, because I love quality time . It

36:08

just adds to me like , why

36:10

wouldn't anybody want to ? Like , why

36:13

isn't everybody running to do your course ? Well

36:17

, people don't know what they don't know , right . Well

36:20

, as I , you feel you're

36:22

right , you're right . That's

36:25

why you have this podcast and that's like get

36:27

this out into the world , right

36:30

.

36:30

Yeah , exactly , I mean , that's

36:32

why I call this the non-sex sex

36:34

podcast , because when

36:36

people think of sex , they

36:38

think of intercourse , typically

36:40

close clothes off , you know

36:42

, bumping genitals together

36:44

, like we're talking full intercourse

36:47

. Intercourse is usually what comes to mind when we

36:49

hear sex and so , but

36:51

there's a huge umbrella

36:54

of bliss

36:56

that is under , you

36:58

know , the term of sex , that it can be so

37:01

many other things that have

37:03

nothing to do with penetration . And

37:06

and yet most people , when they

37:08

think of , oh , our sex life , they're

37:11

thinking they have a very

37:14

narrow view

37:16

of what that actually could be

37:18

, because this

37:20

education isn't out there Like it's

37:22

. We don't learn this in school . We

37:24

, we were . It's not talked about in polite

37:26

company , you know , like it's , it's still

37:29

fairly taboo in

37:31

most cultures . So , so

37:33

they just don't know . They just don't know

37:35

what , what the possibilities

37:38

are . Because when , like

37:40

back in the day , I used to call , I used to call

37:42

my , I branded myself as , like , the handjob

37:46

rockstar or something like that rockstar

37:48

handjob or something like that . And and

37:51

one of my ladies in my workshop

37:53

, she said , when I was doing

37:55

in-person workshops , she said you know

37:57

what , lee , I , I got

37:59

, I got to be honest with you . It's

38:02

. Stop calling yourself a handjob rockstar

38:04

, like you're going to take the word handjob out of

38:06

this , because when you , you

38:08

don't teach a handjob , you

38:14

teach connection and you teach so much more than what people

38:16

. When people think handjob , they're thinking just plain old , up and down and

38:19

and it's not

38:21

. It doesn't have a great connotation to

38:23

it and it's not very connecting . And

38:25

so she said , yeah , you , you don't . You teach

38:28

so much more than that . So just stop calling it a hand

38:30

job . Even though it's with your hands

38:32

, it's . It doesn't resemble

38:34

that at all . So I had

38:37

to go through a bit of an education

38:39

myself in trying

38:41

to define , finding a new

38:44

definition for what it is that I

38:46

teach , because I didn't

38:48

really know what

38:50

I didn't know either , like I it was . It

38:52

was a journey for me to coming into

38:54

all of this . So so

38:57

I'm I'm so glad that you're willing to come on and talk

38:59

about this and give

39:02

ladies an indication that there

39:05

are tools out there that

39:08

, even as confident as you , marie

39:10

, are you've always been a confident woman

39:12

to me in and out of the bedroom

39:15

, just confident across the board and

39:17

very put together , very articulate

39:19

, super smart , like you've got it going

39:21

on and yet

39:23

there are tools

39:26

that even a woman like that could learn to

39:28

up-level their life in some way

39:30

.

39:31

Amen to that sister .

39:34

Yeah , you are the total personification

39:36

of that . So thank you for being

39:38

so open-minded and being willing

39:41

to just be a continual

39:43

learner .

39:44

Thank you . Clearly serving well . Curiosity

39:47

is . I feel like if I had a

39:49

middle name it would be curious . I

39:51

just , I'm so curious about just

39:55

the idea of partnership

39:57

, relationship , whether it's friendship

39:59

or partnership or whatever

40:02

know it's . It's uh and

40:04

just a fountain

40:06

of curiosity like what , where

40:09

can I go there ? How can what , what

40:11

more could I take in ? It's

40:13

just , it's such a and you know , when

40:15

you talk about the handjob thing , the

40:17

idea of the crassness of

40:19

what most people think sex is , as

40:22

opposed to just like

40:24

your student has said , this

40:26

idea of connection that

40:28

is really , if you think , rock the bedroom means

40:31

that you're going to learn all these techniques just to

40:33

get somebody off . You know , I

40:36

would say don't do it for that reason

40:38

. You know this idea of

40:40

what , if you could deeper have a

40:42

communication with the

40:44

person that you love

40:47

the most or want

40:49

to be intimate with the most Maybe not love the most

40:51

, but be intimate with the most and in

40:54

that moment , for some , and

40:56

developing a full on relationship

40:59

for others and

41:05

developing a full-on relationship for others .

41:06

So , yeah , yeah , it's , it's definitely , it's an intimacy intimacy thing . It's

41:08

not a physical pleasure thing

41:11

exclusively . I mean , this

41:13

is definitely physical pleasure , for sure , but

41:15

it's let's

41:17

not negate that . But yeah

41:20

, it's all about intimacy really , cause

41:22

you can have a lot of sex that is not intimate . Yeah

41:26

, and that's not what we do here . Right

41:28

, it's fun . I don't think I'm

41:31

all about the fun and the playfulness

41:33

. Yeah , it's not fun . I

41:35

don't do it Period . I make

41:37

taxes fun , otherwise

41:39

I got to do it . So you got to make it fun

41:41

. So

41:43

, yeah , well , thank you so

41:46

much for being on the show today . So

41:49

, if people want to , if

41:51

people resonate with you and they do want

41:53

to have some kind of money conversation with you

41:55

because let me tell you people

41:58

, she's got some cool

42:00

information . We had a good money conversation

42:02

the other day and it was awesome information

42:04

that I did not know about . So , if

42:06

people resonate with you and they want to get more

42:09

of Marie , do you have a quick handle

42:11

where they can find you on on

42:13

social media ? We'll put all this in the show notes

42:16

.

42:16

Yes , You'll . As , as

42:19

Leary said , my mission is to upgrade

42:21

the conversation around wealth , and wealth in all

42:23

ways . And , like Nikola Tesla

42:25

said , if you want to know the secrets of the universe , think energy

42:28

frequency and vibration and talk about

42:30

energy frequency and vibration in this work

42:32

. So this idea of

42:34

raising this energy frequency

42:37

around money , I put a bitly

42:39

link . If you were , if you're serious about having a

42:41

conversation , there's a bitly link called

42:43

B , so B I T dot L Y

42:46

forward slash . I heart

42:48

frequency , so

42:50

I H E A R T frequency . Come

42:53

and love it , Get some time with

42:55

me .

42:56

Yeah , and you're just a fun

42:58

person to talk to anyway , so it's

43:02

always going to be a good conversation Whenever

43:04

. Whenever my phone rings and

43:06

your name pops up , I know it's going to be great conversation

43:08

. Highly recommend anyone

43:10

who's interested in having a money conversation

43:13

with Marie get in touch with her

43:15

. Thank you so much for

43:17

this for this time . I so appreciate

43:19

you and your inspiring

43:22

story . Love it Perfect

43:25

.