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Think Rod is Friday. And typically on a Friday, you know, I'm

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in a good mood. And today we've got some beautiful weather on the outside.

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I think we hit eighty degrees today out at the airports, winds blowing

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a little bit, but it's really a nice day. So you think,

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come on, Rod, it's Friday, end of the week. You're always

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happy on a Friday, and I'm happy today. But the one thing that

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just just kind of ruined the day today, and I bet a lot of

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you are going to be going through this over the next couple of days,

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because what Monday is tax day. I had to pay my taxes today.

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I hate sending the Internal Revenue Service and the federal government of ours, which

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is absolutely a joke anymore in my opinion, more money. And that's what

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I had to do today. And I know a lot of you are probably

1:11

going through the same thing. And it just bugs me to think that here,

1:15

I am giving them a good amount of money back to the federal government

1:19

today for them to waste it, for them to waste it on stupid programs

1:23

and not getting anything done to helping the American people. So you can see

1:27

why today is kind of a bittersweet day. Sweet in the fact that it's

1:32

Friday. It's nice and sunny on the outside, feeling more and more like

1:36

spring each and every day, and then the bitter part of it, I

1:38

had to send a check to the government just drives me nuts. How are

1:42

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him all right. I always have a Friday favorite story. I like to

3:04

start the show off on Friday. And I don't know how this one got

3:07

past me, and I don't recall a lot of news about this, but

3:12

this is a pretty amazing story. This speaks to American's desire to own a

3:17

gun to protect themselves, and this is a case that is a classic example

3:23

of what that really really means. It happened to an eighty five year old

3:27

woman. She lives up in southeast Dadaho, somewhere in the Blackfoot Rugby Shelley

3:31

area up there, and she's been hailed for her heroic actions. I haven't

3:37

heard this story. It's a story that's not getting a lot of coverage at

3:39

leads that I know maybe you had before. But she was the victim of

3:44

a brutal and I mean a brutal home invasion. Here's what happened. Authorities

3:50

were called to her home. They found a man there deceased dead from gunshot

3:54

wounds, and the elderly woman was also injured. Here's what happened. According

4:00

to police, they say a home invasion began around two o'clock in the morning

4:09

when the man who was killed. The home invader, his name is thirty

4:12

nine year old Derek Ephraim Condon, Partile about a mile away, broke into

4:16

the home through a window with a screwdriver. According to the county prosecutor,

4:21

he was wearing a military jacket and a black ski mask. Well, the

4:28

woman or the intruder, I should say, awoke the woman. Her name

4:33

is Christine Jenniahan, I believe is how it's pronounced, bashed her head in

4:39

with a gun. Pelisse found blood on the pillow to substantiate that claim.

4:44

The man then dragged the woman Christine to the living room, and that's where

4:49

he handed her cuffed to a wooden chair. He demanded that she'd tell him

4:55

where her valuables were located, and grew angry when she said, I just

5:00

don't have much, you know, I'm eighty five years old. For crying al lot, she said that he put his gun to her head. At

5:06

that point, she told him there were two safes downstairs, and he and

5:11

he left her handcuffed to rummage around those safe downstairs. That's when he discovered

5:18

that her disabled son was also in the home. He grew angry that she

5:24

didn't tell him about her son. Well, he left again. According to

5:28

the story, that's when Christine was able to drag her chair over. I

5:33

mean this, an eighty five year old woman drag her chair over to her

5:36

pillow and retieve a three point fifty seven magnum revolver. She hid the gun

5:42

and waited to see what he would do next. Jo prosecutors then say that

5:48

the man threatened to kill Christine while burglarizing the home, so she decided to

5:54

take a chance. She shot at him. The man was struck. Trice

5:59

was able to shoot back at the woman, striking her several times. She's

6:02

okay. The man made his way to the commission the kitchen, where he

6:06

fell and died of his wounds. The woman. When police finally arrived,

6:13

I don't know how they got the attention of this. They found her still

6:15

handcuffed to the chair and remained on the floor for ten hours before her son

6:23

was able to bring her a phone so she could call the police. She

6:26

was given life saving treatment, taken to a hospital and doing well. Now.

6:30

Police say they determined and really that this was a classic case of justifiable

6:35

homicide. Really, and the prosecutor said it is one of the most heroic

6:43

acts of self preservation that he has ever seen. He said, her grit,

6:48

her determination and will to appear to be what saved her that night.

6:54

Christine was justified in taking all and any means to defend herself and her sun

7:00

that night and that's exactly that's exactly what she did. So when you hear

7:04

you know, you don't you always hear stories about, you know, mass

7:09

shootings, you know, but you never hear a story it's rare you hear

7:13

a story of someone using a gun to protect themselves. Eighty five years old.

7:19

Eighty five years old. Can you believe that eighty five years old she

7:24

managed to polar wouldn't share with her whether it's intruder in her house. She

7:28

shot and killed the man. So when you hear people, and we'll talk

7:30

about this. Clark Composion is going to join us a little bit later on

7:33

the show because the administration, in all this great wisdom, has now issued

7:38

some new background check rules, and Clark will join us. We'll get reaction

7:42

to those rules from Clark coming up. But you know, whenever you hear

7:45

people who defend themselves using a gun, you never hear it in the news.

7:49

Now, I maybe this story was reported, I don't remember seeing it,

7:53

and I'm checking the news twenty four to seven, you know, here,

7:57

just to do this show every day. This one got passed me.

7:59

But when I say, all that story is, I was putting the show

8:01

together this morning, looking for ideas and things to talk about. I was

8:05

impressed with this story because it's tied into what the administration did yesterday with his

8:09

new rules on background checks. This administration no doubt wants universal background checks,

8:16

red flag laws, a ban on assault weapons. This is where they're headed.

8:22

And this is why people who own guns, and I'm a gun owner need to protect their rights, their Second Amendment rights. And when you have

8:28

a story like this of what happened to this woman eighty five years old facing

8:35

a home intruder who is already beating her, it's pretty amazing story something we

8:39

should not forget. All right, Still to come a lot to come tonight

8:43

here on the rod Arcutcho on this Thank Rod, it's Friday. We're going

8:46

to be talking about the modern presidency. Is the president now a uniter or

8:50

a divider? And I'm not talking just about Joe Biden, but the position

8:54

itself has the position of an individual being president of the United States now more

9:01

of a divider that he ends a united And also there is a term that

9:05

you're starting to hear, this is directed right of people who support Donald Trump.

9:09

Those of you who do who live in rural America, you have white

9:15

rural rage. There's a new book out talking about that. We'll talk to

9:18

somebody who's looked at that book and said, that's a bunch of baloney that's

9:22

coming up on The Rod ar Kens Show. As I said, always great to be with you on this Thank Rod is Friday. If you want to

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10:24

Boy the rough week for the president again. You know the inflation numbers

10:28

come out, you know the numbers are showing this new poll from the Wall

10:33

Street Journal is showing that the black men in this country are abandoning the Democratic

10:39

Party. Maybe they've finally gotten the message that the Democratic Party has done absolutely

10:43

nothing to improve their lives and they're now looking at Donald Trump. There was

10:48

a Greg and I talked about this on Wednesday where on MSNBC Morning Joe,

10:54

there was a exercise done a portion of the program where they had nine different

10:58

independent voter on the screen all at once, one of those multi screen things

11:03

that you can see, and the question was asked who would be better on

11:05

the economy, Joe Biden or Donald Trump. All nine of the independents raised

11:11

their hands to Donald Trump. Pretty amazing. There's another part of that story,

11:16

and we'll let you hear that a little bit later on in the show. Well, speaking of the president, the modern presidency, is the president

11:24

of the United States now a united or a divider? It's become maybe the

11:31

offensive president has become way too powerful anymore to be anything else than a divider.

11:37

Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that right now is Jeen

11:41

Healey. He is a senior vice president for policy at the Cato Institute.

11:45

He wrote about the culture warrior in chief. Jeen, great to have you

11:48

on the show. Gene, I can't recall, and I've been on this

11:52

good old Earth for a long long time now where a president in his inaugural

11:56

address does not say he's there to unite the country. How many of them

12:01

have actually united the country? Gene, Well, that's it's you know,

12:05

we've been hearing that long before it started to feel like the country was coming

12:09

apart. I think I say the piece, you know, kinder, gentler

12:13

nation from hw Bush, We're going to kumbai everyone into one America from Barack

12:20

Obama, so on and so forth. That seems like one of the more

12:28

ridiculous promises among many ridiculous promises that presidents are making these days. And one

12:35

thing that's happened is as the country has become more polarized, the American presidents

12:41

of both parties have intervened more directly with the pen and the phone and the

12:48

weapons of executive power into the kinds of issues that they used to stay out

12:52

of and the kinds of issues that divide us the most. I think this

12:56

is really very dangerous given where we are. Is that what the fold of

13:00

Congress for not stepping in and trying to take some of that power back.

13:03

I know, I've had conversation with lawmakers over time, and they basically said,

13:07

Gene, that the you know, the balance of government, the three branches of government almost don't exist anymore because the White House, the president has

13:15

become so powerful. Is that what's happening, Gene? It is, you

13:20

know, Congress is dependably pretty feckless, and Congress has over the decades seated

13:26

an enormous amount of power. But because of past fecklessness in some ways,

13:31

it's very hard in Congress to take charge of some of these issues. The

13:37

president has at this point so much power through the administrative state that he can

13:45

actually settle questions like which kid gets to go to which bathroom, who gets

13:50

access to the girls' locker room, and whether the entire force of the federal

13:54

government should be directed against combating systemic races. And that's actually very hard for

14:03

a congressional majority to overturn, given the power that past Congress has succeeded to

14:09

the executive branch. Gene. It wasn't set up this way in the beginning,

14:13

was it, Gene? That was not the idea behind all of this

14:16

was it not at all? The president was supposed to be not even in

14:24

any sense the national leader. Congress was supposed to be in the driver's seat

14:30

on a limited numbers of number of truly national issues. The notion that the

14:37

federal government would be involved in educational matters down to what books go on local

14:46

school, middle school library shelves, would have been anathema to anyone at the

14:54

time of the founding. But that's increasingly where we are. Gene. Of

14:58

course, we've got the election coming up on November fifth, and you'll hear

15:01

this time and time again that this is the most important election in the history

15:05

of the country. In the past, Americans haven't paid much attention to that.

15:09

Are they paying more attention to that now? Because the presidency has become

15:11

so powerful they are And you know, yeah, it's true that we always

15:18

hear that whatever the next election is is the most important election in history.

15:22

We didn't used to take it that seriously. The polls show that the polsters

15:28

who have attracted you know, about forty five percent of people around the two

15:33

thousand, the two thousand election thought it really mattered who became president. That's

15:41

up I think above seventy five percent now. And maybe one of the reasons

15:45

that people think it matters is it increasingly does matter because presidents from both sides

15:54

of the isle have intervened in a very local, hotly contested culture war issues.

16:03

As I said, even down to you know, whether certain books go

16:07

on local school library shelves. And I think that's that's incredibly dangerous because if

16:15

you want to discourage this idea that all is lost if somebody from the other

16:21

team takes the presidency, the last thing you want to do is raise the

16:26

stakes of all these local cultural differences that could be settled closer to home.

16:33

If everything from what books go on your kids school library shelves to you know,

16:38

what bathroom the kid gets to use, becomes a matter of presidential politics,

16:45

then a lot of people are going to think every election is the so

16:48

called Flight ninety three election, where everything depends on winning the election, and

16:56

a lot fewer people are going to be willing to take a loss and strive.

17:00

We're talking right now with Jean Healey. Jean, let's talk about what

17:03

is it going to take to dial this back. I mean, the elections

17:07

a beer to be so close anymore, and you don't have one party dominating

17:11

another party is pretty well evenly divided. Is it going to take a dominant

17:15

party to try and dial this back or will it get worse if you have

17:18

like the Republicans or the Democrats controlling all three branches of government. Well,

17:25

I think what happens is you each side has lined up to war, to

17:33

pursue war to the knife once they seize the presidency. I think what would

17:40

be would benefit the country more is getting power out of the presidency and that

17:47

are possible out of the federal government, so that a lot of these issues

17:52

disputes over white privilege and transgender identity, other things that where Americans are deeply

17:59

divided, get settled closer to home where there's more common ground. And right

18:06

now I don't see either party pursuing that with any vigor. The dominant dominique

18:17

ethos seems to be more you know, winner take af Geene Heally joining us

18:22

genius from the Cato Institute talking about the president. The role of the president

18:26

now not so much a united in chief but a divider in chief. You

18:30

know, I'm trying to remember the last time that most Americans felt good about

18:37

the president that we have. It's you know, maybe Reagan, but you

18:41

know a lot of people like Ronald Reagan. I mean, look at his

18:44

victory in nineteen eighty four over Walter Mondale. What a joke that was for

18:48

that guy to even run against Ronald Reagan. But he has an opportunity to

18:52

do so. But I'm term they of the last time. Maybe you didn't

18:55

think about it the last time that America, you know, and most of

19:00

Americans felt good about the president. We certainly don't have that debate today,

19:04

the way the country is divided. I feel good, I'm fine with Donald

19:07

Trump, support the president, the former president. But you know how many

19:11

Democrats are feel good about Donald Trump. They hate the guy. They have

19:17

Trump derangement syndrome. They can't get him out of his head. And certainly

19:21

we on the conservative side look at Joe Biden as a joke, someone who

19:23

is just not not capable to do the job anymore. Kind of an interesting

19:27

thought from Geene Heally. All right, more coming out here on the Rod

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nine. Knrs. All right, welcome back to the Rod urchinscha with you

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on this thank rod Is Friday. The Biden administration has released a brand new

20:14

set of rules on background checks and the purchase of guns. Clark Oposion,

20:18

the head of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, will join us coming up at

20:21

five oh five. He'll explain what that all means, and we'll get some

20:25

of your reaction to that coming up as well in the five o'clock Cower.

20:29

You know, it has been interesting to UH over the years since Donald Trump

20:33

came onto the scene back in what twenty fifteen with his announcement that he was

20:37

going to run for president and then of course beating Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen,

20:41

how the media in this country and Democrats have tried to figure out what

20:45

Donald Trump's appeal is. Well, there's a brand new book out there that

20:49

is circulating around and a lot of Democrats and the media are reading it saying,

20:55

oh, we now know the answer to Trump's success. It is white

21:00

rural rage. That's right, white woral rage. And this book claims that

21:06

white world rage is a threat to the world's oldest constitutional democracy, that,

21:12

of course, is the United States of America. It is not a constitutional

21:17

democracy. It is a constitutional republic. Just to set the record straight,

21:22

but this book is feeding those minds. Well, what about this book and

21:25

how accurate is it? Well? Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now

21:29

is Nicholas Jacobs. He is a political science professor at Colby College and he

21:33

wrote about this book. Nicholas. Thanks for joining us on the show tonight.

21:36

Let me ask you, Nicholas, to start off, I mean, where do they get these ideas in this idea of white rural rage. Well,

21:42

they're coming to it from the fact that if you take a bunch of

21:47

different public opinion polls that are cherry picked and appear across a a wide variety

21:52

of different sources, some of which only have a few dozen rural people in

21:56

them, you can find numbers to support whatever conclusion you want. I mean,

22:03

this book has the telltale signs of writing a catchy title that no doubt

22:10

is going to grab the attention of some folks in DC and members of a

22:15

certain political persuasion, and then you go through it and try to back it

22:18

up with facts. And uh was I surprised when one of the facts or

22:23

one of the academic studies that they tried to use to support this claim of

22:29

rage was mine. So that's what led me to start digging and digging.

22:32

I went through every source and every study that sided throughout this book, and

22:37

I walked away more convinced than ever that rage. You know, there's there's

22:41

a little bit in certain pockets, but it's no more than what you find

22:45

in suburban America, no more than urban America. It's not the definitive feature

22:48

of rural America. How do these how do these authors characterize people who have

22:55

white rural rage? How do they how do they characterize it? Nick,

23:00

It's very clear, and if you were to go and listen to any interview

23:03

that they've given, it is essentially real. People are the most racist,

23:07

most xenophobic, most conspiracist, most whatever value that they don't like, that's

23:15

what rural That's what work people or white rural people exemplify. As simple as

23:22

that. I mean, this book, in some ways, it's really a

23:26

shame. In some ways, it confirms and a lot of people, unfortunately

23:30

think about what intellectuals think about rural America with a lot of inside DC that

23:37

way people think about rural America. I assure you it's not all of us,

23:41

but in some ways they're the ones typifying the stereotype. Nick, does

23:48

a book like this even further divide the country? I mean, is this

23:52

helpful in uniting the country at all? Do you think, Nick? No,

23:57

I don't know, Like this isn't but this isn't an academic debate,

24:03

This is not a professional tealousy. I've never met the two gentlemen that wrote

24:07

this book. I have no personal, real royal or animosity towards them.

24:12

But I care deeply about this country's future. It is why I'm a political

24:17

scientist. That's why I have dedicated myself to teaching young people about how our

24:22

democracy works and the problems that confronts it. And it's ultimately why I find

24:27

this book to be, in and of itself, a threat to American democracy

24:33

because I see no honest effort to celebrate, emphasize, and show people in

24:42

rural and urban areas what does unite them? And you know, I find

24:48

that to be incredibly problematic. In your opinion, Nick, and you've done

24:52

a lot of research. You mentioned you're a political scientist. What unites rural

24:56

America? Right now? Is it still America itself? And the idea within

25:03

rural America and among rural Americans. You know, I think most rural Americans

25:10

are thinking about politics and issues in a much more local sense, you know.

25:15

And here's the thing. This is the thing I wish we would emphasize

25:19

in the book. My research and my studies show, and so do many

25:23

other scholars, that patriots right, people that love this country are found throughout

25:29

rural and urban America. People that are committed to work, ethic, hard

25:37

work, and entrepreneurship are found throughout rural and urban America. Although I do

25:44

focus on rural politics and rural peoples, I often find that the differences between

25:49

rural and urban people are less than what we tend to think. Let me

25:55

ask you this, Nick. You know, I often talk about on my

25:59

radio show what I describe as Americans who are use common sense and are fair

26:03

minded, and they all have that that theme through them. They want to

26:07

look at an issue in this country and use their common sense and make sure

26:11

it's fair minded. Does that describe rural Americans? Do you think, Nick?

26:15

I think it describes a lot of Americans. Yeah, regardless of where

26:22

they live, you know, it was the you know, so I wrote

26:27

it. I just wrote an article about white rural rage and focused on all

26:32

Americans. But I'll tell you the overwhelming response came from people living everywhere across

26:40

this country and rural communities I heard from them, but also in urban communities,

26:42

just saying, you know how refreshing it was to think about politics in

26:48

the slag. They right, The conversation we should be having and that I

26:52

think most Americans want to have is not who to blame, who's who's the

26:56

evil side and who's the good side? And I want my party is better

27:00

than your party high Honest to god. That sounds optimistic, and I know

27:06

that we've got a whole bunch of challenges in front of this country. But

27:10

overwhelmingly people wrote me and just said, you know, talking about what we

27:14

have in common and thinking about these issues rationally and not just trying to blame

27:18

people, that's what we need to do. Do you see white world?

27:22

You know, they characterize it, and I think you mentioned this a moment

27:26

ago, that white rural Americans are a threat to democracy. Do you see

27:30

any evidence of at at all? Nick? So, their argument, as

27:36

I understand it, is based on two interrelated ideas. The first is that

27:42

as they're writing the book, it's the chapter of one of the titles,

27:45

or the titles one of their chapters. Excuse me that rural Americans have been

27:49

given the greatest political hand ever. Doubt that's a quote, And that's because

27:55

rural America has some political advantage its institutions like the Electoral College and the Senate.

28:03

Now, now to every small state that's overrepresented in those institutions, is

28:07

rural by any stretch of the imagination. Think of Rhode Island, think of

28:12

Hawaii. There's a lot of urban people in those small states, and small

28:15

does not mean rural. But because of this, I don't deny that there's

28:21

a small advantage. Because of this, They then go on to say,

28:26

because rural America allegedly has a higher percentage of people that endorse political violence,

28:32

or because rural America has a higher percentage of people that you name it,

28:36

that that's where the threat comes from. What I don't understand, and when

28:41

I think anybody looking at the landscape of American politics can't understand, is how

28:49

so much force can be attributed to sixteen percent of the American electorate. That's

28:56

how much white rural Americans make up of given that very small institutional advantage,

29:04

you know, it's laughable to attribute any amount of power to that small group

29:11

of people. A group of people, by the way, who are poorer

29:15

than average, don't have the same level of access to political and elite institutions

29:21

like higher education, all these other things that we know lead to unequal political

29:26

influence. Rural Americans have in drugs, but because of some small institutional advantages,

29:33

apparently they're the ones that are the threats. I don't buy it,

29:37

neither do I. Nicholas, Thank you, Nicholas Jacobs. He's a political

29:40

scientist. They're at Colby College talking about this idea of white rural rage.

29:45

It is a book that's making its rounds, of course, in the media

29:48

and the liberal circles progressive circles of this country. As it tries to paint

29:53

white rural Americans is being angry and being a threat to democracy. Really,

29:59

we may tal talk about that with you in the five o'clock hour as well.

30:02

All right, more coming up right here on the Rod Arcat Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrest time now for a news update.

30:14

All right, welcome, back to the rod Ar Kit Show on this Thank Rodas Friday, before we hit the news update at the top of the

30:18

hour, I want to squeeze in this audio sound bite. Now. Earlier

30:21

this week, Greg and I were talking about this exercise they did on MSNBC,

30:26

I think The Morning Show with Joe and in which they were interviewing a

30:30

group of independent voters and they were asked, They're about nine of them on

30:33

the screen, and they were asked, in fact, you know who would

30:37

handle the economy better? Joe Biden, no hand went up, Donald Trump.

30:41

All nine hands went up. But there was a follow up question to

30:44

that as well. Listen to this. Is there anything Joe Biden could do

30:47

or say between now and the tiny vote that would make you feel differently about

30:52

feeling that his policies would not be as good for your family on the economy

30:56

or you pretty much decided that Trump's policy would be better for the economy.

31:00

I mean, I feel like he doesn't even take accountability through us at all

31:03

with what's going on in the accounty, and not even accountability like he's in

31:07

denial that it's happening. The point is Biden needs to hear the people because

31:11

when he's talking about the economy doing instellar, he's talking about the stock market.

31:15

He's not looking at homelessness or joblessness. He's not AG's point and thinking

31:18

about how much it costs go to the grocery store. And he's gas lading

31:22

literally everyone in the process. And omer you voted for Joe Biden last time,

31:26

right, yeah, yeah, he's gaslighting everybody. And now there's this

31:29

report today that Biden reportedly a word coming out of the White House today is

31:33

that he has absolutely no plans whatsoever to address inflation with any apology policy changes

31:41

heading into the election in November. The issue of inflation how Biden is handling

31:45

it has resurfaced. Of course, the CPI came out increasing three point five

31:49

percent in March alone, while a lot of people are saying, you know,

31:53

they just don't have confidence in Joe Biden anymore to do about anything about

31:57

the economy. And then you've got the word that apparently the White House doesn't

32:00

care about it. The White House is going to be running against Donald Trump,

32:05

attacking Trump. Now they've got the abortion issue. That's what they're going

32:07

to be running out because I think most Americans now feel there's not a whole

32:12

lot that Joe Biden wants to do or will do about the economy, and

32:15

this is an indication that he has no plans to do so kind of interesting

32:20

to watch that. All right, our number two of the rod Arcetcho coming

32:22

your way. Thank Rod. It's Friday, new rules on background checks for

32:27

you gun owners. So our composition will to join us and we'll take your

32:30

calls on. Thank Rod, It's Friday. Stay with us another full hours

32:34

on its way. It is our number two, the rod Arcetcho with you

32:51

on this, Thank Rodis Friddy right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five

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nine, Kate and rs live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. And of course

33:00

you can catch our podcast. We upload it when the show is done every

33:04

every night right at seven o'clock, and you can find that at Kanars dot

33:08

com. All right, we'll open up the phones to you. We've got

33:10

a lot to talk to you about today. But before we do that,

33:13

I want to talk about what the Biden administration announced yesterday. They in fact

33:17

announced that all gun dealers now must conduct background checks, no matter where or

33:24

how they sell their merchandise. This is a first step toward what eventually they

33:30

want to do is I think take our guns away? You know, they

33:34

say, well, we respect guns and gun owners, but they want to

33:37

make it so restrictive. Joining us before we talk to Clark Opposion, and

33:40

Clark's waiting. I'll get with Clark in just a minute. I want to

33:43

hear the announcement that was made yesterday by President Joe Biden. Folks, I

33:47

spent hours of families who've lost loved ones to gun violence. They'll have the

33:52

same message, do shop there. Well, today, my administration is taking

33:58

action to make sure the futter guns are sold without background checks. This is

34:02

going to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and felons. And

34:06

my administration can continue to do everything we possibly can to save lives. Congress

34:12

needs to finish the job the past universal background check President Session. Now,

34:17

well, that's the next step they like. But first of all, an

34:20

update on the background checks. Joining us on our Newsmaker line is our good

34:23

friend Clark Opposion, the host of Gun Radio Utah that you'll hear tomorrow afternoon

34:28

here on talk radio one oh five nine canterrests. He's also the president of

34:30

the Utah Shooting Sports Council. Clark, thanks for joining us. Any surprise

34:35

here with us now with this announcement from the administration yesterday, Well, no,

34:38

I mean with that bs Act the uh and I say that the bs

34:44

Act, the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, Uh huh, that with anything but

34:47

bipartisan unless you count met Romney voting for it and in Corning and tell us

34:53

in that. But you know, they had they basically expanded the definition of

35:00

engaged in the business of selling guns and they've all the ATF has always had

35:07

that ability engaging. If you're engaged in the business selling guns, get an

35:10

FFL. That's what you're supposed to do. That's you know, we've always

35:14

played. Now they're expanding that to say if you make a profit, if

35:19

you buy a gun for three hundred dollars and sell it for three hundred and

35:22

twenty dollars, you're now in the business regardless of if you sold one or

35:29

two. It doesn't have there's no metric to determine exactly what's in there other

35:35

than if you made a profit. So it's you know, they've been trying

35:40

this kind of stuff before, and they figure they've got the ability in the

35:45

law with this BSCA Act that they passed. You want to know the numbers

35:52

over five years there was supposedly they were able to track sixty eight thousand ille

36:00

trafficked guns. And I don't know exactly what illegally trafficked means, but they

36:05

were able to trace those to three hundred and seventy shootings. Do the math

36:09

zero point zero zero five percent? Yeah, you know, I mean,

36:13

yeah, it's pretty it's pretty miniscule, Clerk. I was going to ask you how often are guns sold between individuals you know who aren't it a gun

36:22

show? They just you know, guy says I want to sell a gun, A guy says, hey, I want to buy the gun. How

36:27

often does that happen? And do these new rules now take coverage or take

36:31

over on that something like that transaction? Clerk? It absolutely will if you

36:37

sell it for more than you bought it for, so you're making a profit.

36:40

But my question, Rod is and so what happens all the time?

36:45

And my question is are they literally going to be looking over your shoulder now

36:51

when you sell a gun or when you buy a gun? And I mean

36:54

think of that, How are they going to know if you made a profit

36:58

on it? That means they're going to now have to ask for your records

37:02

of when you bought the gun. This is going to tie into the credit

37:07

card merchant category codes. It's going to tie into all that kind of stuff.

37:10

What about a collector who's just looking to you know, he collects,

37:15

you know, certain times of guns, ad buys one, he makes a

37:17

few dollars on it. So, once again, this is the Biden administration,

37:22

the Blue states, the liberal handwringing bedwetters, that they have a law

37:29

that's only going to affect the law abiding, doing nothing to the criminals in

37:35

which they say they want to. And I say this, no more laws,

37:38

no more gun laws until they start enforcing the existing gun laws, and

37:45

tell these blue state attorney generals to start prosecuting, putting these folks in jail

37:51

where we want them to be. Well, I don't know about you, Clark. Criminals, Yeah, yeah, I don't know about you, clerk,

37:55

but I see criminals all the time. I'll buying guns and gun shows.

37:59

Don't you see that as well? Clark? You know exactly exactly.

38:04

It is ridiculous, It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. But that's who

38:07

they're looking at. Yeah, yeah, Clark, let's talk about you know,

38:10

this is obviously another step toward their desire to have universal background checks,

38:15

to have red flag laws, to ban assault weapons. I mean, this

38:20

is this is just another step toward their ultimate goal, isn't it Clark? Oh, of course it is. Yeah. Do you really think they're going

38:27

to stop now that they have this this BS Act? And I call the

38:30

bs the Bipartisan Safety Community Act. Of course not because now think about it.

38:37

You you probably are going to have to get the IRS involved to see

38:40

if you're making a profit, and then they can prosecute you. It's and

38:46

you're right, universal background checks that is the next step, because if they're

38:52

going to say, hey, look, the American public has a stomach for

38:54

background checks, now let's make it universal, even though it will never universal,

39:00

but just just folks like you and I will we'll submit to that.

39:04

And then think about this, If they all have to be have to go

39:08

through a background check, then how are you gonna know unless you register those

39:13

guns all the news sales, How will you know you didn't buy it before

39:16

unless you register all your old guns too. It's and that's exactly what they're

39:22

gonna say it's just it's as obvious as can be. Yeah, just more

39:25

intrusion into the lives of everyday law biding American citizens. Clerk. All right,

39:30

we've got Gun Radio Utah coming up on this Saturday tomorrow. You've got

39:34

a great show lined up. Given a snell layas to what you'll be talking

39:37

about and who you'll be talking to. Hey, you know what, it's

39:40

it's campaign season right now, and some of the most important campaigns besides governor

39:45

and Attorney General are the United States Senate replacing Mitt Romney seat. We have

39:51

former Speaker of the House Brad Wilson on Gun Radio Utah. We're gonna hit

39:54

him with some questions. We're going to hit him with you know, what

39:58

are you going to do to stop government overreach, especially with the ATF,

40:01

but with other agencies as well. What are you going to do, Brad

40:06

to stop that? And how would you have voted on the Bipartisan Saber Communities

40:12

Act. All right, Clark oppose Jaw. It's great to have Clark on

40:14

the show. President of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, also co host of

40:17

Gun Radio Utah. You'll hear it tomorrow afternoon at three, Right, here

40:22

on Talk Radio one oh five to nine K and R as all right,

40:25

when we come back, the phones are open to you, beautiful Friday.

40:29

On the outside, We've talked a lot about a lot of things this week.

40:32

We talked about the crumb Leeds, the sentencing of the couple of Michigan

40:36

sentenced to ten years in prison after being convicted of involuntary manslaughter for basically not

40:42

doing anything from stopping their son to go on a mass school shooting in which

40:45

four students were killed and six others were injured. We talked about that,

40:50

got a lot of reaction to that. We got a lot of reaction to

40:53

an interview we did about a new survey that shows there are a lot of

40:59

young women in this country who would consider themselves conservative, but they're afraid to

41:04

speak out. You know, we can talk about that. We can talk

41:07

a course about Ojay and that decision yesterday, or the announcement yesterday that he's

41:13

dead at the age of seventy six, and the impact he's had a lot of other things to go over tonight as well. So it is thank Rod

41:17

it's Friday chance for you to weigh in on the key issues of the day.

41:22

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42:00

because we're thanking you, not me, you for listening to the show each

42:04

and every week, each and every day, and we give you an opportunity

42:07

to share your opinion, maybe on something that we've talked about, something that

42:10

you have seen in the news that you'd like to comment on. That's why

42:14

we open up the phones to you eight eight eight five seven eight zero one

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zero or on your cell phone. All you do is have to dial pound

42:20

two fifteen simply say hey, run a couple of things. We've got a

42:22

lot of response on this weekend or this past week was first of all,

42:27

the sentencing of the Crumbleys. Now this these are the parents of Ethan Crumbley,

42:32

remember a couple of years ago, it was in Michigan where he killed

42:37

four students and injured six others. And there, you know, the word

42:43

came out that this boy was a troubled boy. As a matter of fact,

42:46

the day of the shooting, school officials got a hold of some art

42:51

work that he had done, a sketch that he had made, called the

42:54

parents to the school said, you know, you need to be aware of

42:58

this. They did not ask the parents to take home their son. They

43:02

didn't, but they did give the parents a list of mental health services that

43:07

he could certainly use. And they went home, and just a short time

43:12

later, Ethan Crumbley, you know, pulled out a gun shot and killed

43:16

four students and injured six others. And a precedent setting trial was held in

43:22

which the parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter. Basically, they were charged for

43:30

not stopping a crime. That's what it comes down to. And a lot

43:34

of people are very worried about this. We had a lot of reactions,

43:36

some people saying, you know, the school should take part in this. The legal experts were saying this probably more of a civil case than a criminal

43:43

case. But there was a lot of discussion about that. This week, we talked about that. We also talked about young women in America today.

43:52

There was a survey out that basically showed young women in America today have very

43:59

conservative views. Maybe, as Greg pointed out, we did this on Wednesday

44:01

when Greg was here. Greg Hughes, my wingman, talked about the fact

44:06

that a lot of the common sense issues that we have in America today are

44:10

now classified as conservative, even though they're just simply common sense. But there

44:15

are a lot of young conservative women in this country today, common sense women

44:19

who share those same common sense values, but because they do, their labeled

44:22

conservatives and therefore they're afraid to express their opinions. And we took some calls

44:28

from people about, you know, life with as a young woman in this

44:30

state, or maybe they have daughters, even granddaughters who are afraid to express

44:35

their opinion. We also got reaction yesterday to OJ Simpson his death yesterday and

44:39

how this changed to America. So we've got a lot to talk to you

44:43

about tonight. That's why the phone lines are open eight eight eight five seven

44:45

eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero or on

44:50

your cell phone all you do is have to dial pound two fifty and say,

44:52

hey, Rod, let's go to the phones. Let's begin with Steve

44:55

in Mapleton tonight here on thank Rod as Friday. Steve, how are you

44:59

thanks for joining us Friday? Well, thank you so much. It's good

45:02

to be on a Friday. It's just about time, right at any rate?

45:08

Yeah? But no, Hey, I was calling in because I'm really

45:13

concerned about uh, you know Trump. I'm concerned in the sense that I

45:19

want him to win. But yet, as we all know, Biden stole

45:25

the election, right, so what's preventing him from doing it now? Because

45:29

there's so many illegals he's allowed to cross over into our country that they he

45:36

and he's also giving them citizenship. That's totally illegal and he should be thrown

45:43

in jail, you know, Yeah, that that'll ever happen, you know.

45:46

Yeah, Well, Steve, where where do you hear he's giving him

45:50

citizenship? They will be counted in the census, but I'm not aware of

45:52

any place where they've been given citizenship as of yet. Are you aware of

45:58

steps like that? I've heard it, yeah, oh yeah, I heard

46:00

it about a month ago. I'm going when somebody brought it up to me.

46:05

They said, well, he's doing it. It was the Venezuelan guys that were coming in and all of those people that are just evil, you

46:12

know, that are not up to any good with us. And we're members

46:17

of our great country and we want it to be great again. That's why

46:22

I believe that Trump is going to be good for our country, providing he

46:29

doesn't get the election stole the election stole out from under him, like it's

46:32

like what happened the last time. Yeah, I see where you're coming from,

46:37

Steve. Let me tell you what. There are a couple of things I want to add to that. Trump and Mike Johnson, Speaker of the

46:42

House, announced an election integrity law today that Mike Johnson is going to introduce

46:45

on the floor. Probably go nowhere, but I hope you know. We

46:50

had a story on yesterday if you were listening yesterday at all, about an

46:53

investigation as to how democrats and progresses in this country today are using charitable organizations

47:01

and even federal government agencies. This under the direction of the Biden administration to

47:07

register people to vote and to get them out to vote, and they're doing

47:12

so. Now. The Republican Party is aware of this, you know,

47:15

and they're working to defend this. But what are we doing in that regard

47:20

the Republican Party and Conservatives to get out the vote. I'm with you,

47:22

Steve, and I think with many of our listeners here, I am very

47:28

concerned about the integrity of this election, the bureaucratic mess that we have in

47:35

this country today. The Democrats, the progressives are so afraid of what Donald

47:42

Trump will do, so afraid of what he'll do if he is re elected.

47:46

Because what Donald Trump wants to do is he wants to change Washington.

47:51

He didn't do it his first time. He didn't have any help his first time. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, you know, they didn't like the

47:58

guy to begin with, as they don't now, did nothing to help him

48:01

get his agenda underway. Plus he had, you know, all these investigations

48:06

going on with Russian collusion and everything else. This time is a little bit

48:09

different. And if you aren't aware of this, there are some major conservative

48:14

groups in this country, including I think being head headed up by the Heritage

48:19

Foundation. It's called Project twenty twenty five. They've got a group of very

48:23

conservative, strongly conservative groups in this country today who are looking at plans to

48:30

how we transform government, to shrink the size of government to make it more

48:35

effective and responsive to the American people. There was an article today, I

48:39

think it was in CNN where they are expressing their concern. Let me see,

48:45

I didn't grab it here and I should have. I apologize that.

48:49

And I'm trying to remember the title of it if I can, real fans,

48:53

Yeah, here it is, and let me just read this to you

48:57

real quick. I'll just give you a headline if I've got the right stack.

49:00

I have so much stacks and stuff that you have here it is.

49:05

This is an analysis by a writer at CNN. Donald Trump is creating his

49:10

web of chaos at home and abroad in a preview of what a second term

49:16

could look like. So are you ready? I mean, I know there

49:21

are a lot of supporters of Donald Trump out there, and I support Donald

49:24

Trump as well. With what he wants to do, it is going to

49:30

create chaos. He's doing the right things. I mean, if they shrink

49:35

the size of government, have the bureaucrats work for the American people and not

49:39

for the Democratic Party and their own self preservation, it will cause chaos.

49:45

But isn't it about time we create a little chaos in Washington for crying out

49:51

loud. We spend, we spend, we spend, and what are the

49:55

results the amount of money we're paying. I told you a start of the

50:00

show today. You know, I always enjoy Friday's, but this one was

50:04

a little tough because I had to pay my taxes. I just hate doing

50:07

that, sending money to the federal government who will abuse it, waste it,

50:12

and not use it effectively. And I think there is a feeling among

50:15

the American people, many of you out there, you may agree or disagree

50:19

with me on this one, that we have got to do something to shake

50:22

up Washington. If we have to shake up Congress and kick them all out,

50:27

fine, we've got to do something about it. And now the media

50:30

is gonna, you know, the sky is falling. This guy is falling.

50:34

Look what Donald Trump is doing. He's gonna you know, he's going

50:37

to create chaos. Why not, why not get in there and shake things

50:42

up? And That's what I'm hoping. You know, all these you know,

50:45

you've got a candidates running for the US Senate to replace Mitt Romney here,

50:49

You've got candidates running for the US House. I hope that they do

50:53

have the courage to shake things up. I hope they have the courage and

51:00

realize, and you talk to every economist out there, inflation is running rampant

51:04

because of too much government spending, that they have the guts to reduce government

51:10

spending and to do what needs to be done to correct the financial house of

51:15

this country, because if we don't, we are going down a very,

51:20

very dangerous path. I think many of you would do agree, But that's

51:22

what we're talking about. We have got to find people who are willing to

51:28

shake things up. And it scares the daylights out of the Democrats and progressive

51:31

in the legacy media because all their buddies could be infected impacted by this.

51:37

But I think that's what needs to happen. Don't you and are you ready

51:42

for it? Because you know you don't have people that you can't get rid

51:45

of this program? Do you know how good this program is doing? Show

51:50

me where it is. There's a tremendous audit released in California earlier this week.

51:55

California spent billions of dollars on the homeless. They have thirty different programs

52:00

to help the homeless and they can't show one area where a dollar has been

52:06

spent that has been effective in treating it. I'd like to see the same

52:08

thing done here in Utah. We've spent millions of dollars. Okay, but

52:14

has anybody done an audit as anybody? Can anybody step up and say,

52:17

we have taken fifteen families off the streets. They have a place to live,

52:22

they have a job. We've taken this many people off the streets who

52:27

are mentally ill. We've taken this many people off the streets who are addicted

52:30

to drugs or something else alcohol, We've helped them. Here are the real

52:35

numbers. Look, the money and the intentions that we have to help the

52:37

homeless are working. I've never seen anything like that. Wouldn't that be interesting

52:42

to know? All right, more of your calls and comments coming up.

52:44

It is think Rod is Friday eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero

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53:15

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53:35

Jeremy in Brigham City tonight here on thank Rod, It's Friday. Jeremy,

53:38

how are you? Thanks for calling in? Thanks Rod, I appreciate all

53:44

you do. Thank you, and I'm glad you played Joe Walsh because it brought my blood pressure down. Oh good. I just wanted to say we

53:52

need to rally behind people who are not going to spend. Are the representative

54:00

are spending way too much? As we know, Blake Moore is repeat offender.

54:04

He votes for every spending package there is, and he continually violates the

54:12

Stock Act making him money. And we just need to put a real conservative

54:17

in. How do we convince these lawmakers in your opinion, Jeremy, other

54:24

than replacing them, And replacing them is hard to do, I mean,

54:27

but we do have an election coming up, and we have an opportunity to

54:30

do that. But for the politicians who say, you know, they want

54:34

to reduce the government or they want to reduce spending, you know, they're

54:37

concerned about the debt, but they don't seem to do anything about it.

54:40

How do we convince them they need to do something about it other than kicking

54:45

them out of office. That's a difficult question. That's a good question.

54:51

I'm not sure we see through their actions. They can tell us one thing

54:54

and they always do to get into office, but then they turn around and

54:59

spend. It's a double standard. It's two faced, and it happens all

55:02

the time. We need someone like Mike Lee. And that's how I can

55:07

say, as far as getting them, voting them out, looking for other

55:10

candidates that aren't influenced by big money, that's the only way to do it.

55:15

Thank you very much for your call, Jeremy. You're right, folks,

55:19

you know it is it is time, I think for a lot of

55:22

politicians and for voters especially. The rubber needs to meet the road here,

55:27

I think, and we do need to look at, you know, the

55:30

politicians who are willing to have the courage to cut so that going to be

55:35

easy. You know, if you've ever and I have over the years when

55:38

it comes to budgets and you're looking at budgets and you're looking, wait a

55:42

minute, this isn't going to fly. We're going to have to make some

55:44

changes. Sometimes those are very ugly changes that you have to do. But

55:47

why is it that we have lawmakers who are not willing to do that?

55:55

Uh? And Jeremy raised another point. You know some of these politicians are

56:00

going back there and they're making bank I mean on the insider trading. They

56:05

get tips on stock deals. Some of these people have made millions of dollars.

56:08

Glenn Bick, I think, did his show on Wednesday night on all

56:12

of this, and it is frightening to see how members of Congress are enriching

56:16

themselves thanks to the American people and thanks to that insider information. One thing

56:22

I want to bring up we've been talking about the election. There was a

56:25

new poll out by the New York Times in Siena College. This was from

56:30

February, so it's a couple of months old, but it found that nineteen

56:35

percent of voters held a very unfavorable view of both Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

56:39

Not a surprise. Twenty nine percent believe that neither candidate would be a

56:45

good president. Now that's according to a poll in Gallop back in March.

56:50

But then they were asked, you know, people were asked, and I'm

56:52

going to ask you tonight as well, give me one word, one word

57:00

that would describe your feelings about this upcoming election. One word that would describe

57:07

your feelings about this upcoming election. Now, apparently the survey asked, and

57:14

they got a lot of different responses. But here are some of the responses

57:17

from more than nine hundred registered voters around the country. Anxious, apprehensive,

57:28

concerned, worried. Some labeled it scared, others called it excited and hopeful,

57:37

some happy, some disappointed, annoyed, and frustrated. About a third

57:43

of the voters gave responses including anger, disappointment, or resignation. This may

57:49

go back to that whole white world rage thing. And nearly as many respondents,

57:52

thirty percent of them replied with words indicating that they were scared or apprehensive.

58:01

Boy, I could address a lot of those words, and I bet

58:04

many of you could as well. Scared, yes, because I don't,

58:07

you know, I really worry that the Democrats are so oh, they're just

58:13

consumed by power. In America today, the progressives in the Democratic Party.

58:17

And I don't hate every Democrat. I have some good friends who are Democrats,

58:22

get along with them, well, I don't consider them that regard.

58:24

But there are those the progressives, and I think it's the people who run

58:28

Washington right now, the bureaucrats who are so consumed to keep the power,

58:34

they will do anything to win this election and to keep Joe Biden in office

58:37

because they know Joe Biden is going to become less and less responsive as he

58:43

ages, and they'll be able to pass things by him and he may not

58:46

even know what's going on, and that's what they're hoping to be able to

58:50

do. So that's why I'm scared of it, anxious about it, sure,

58:54

anxious about what this country may go through if Donald Trump is elected,

58:59

because you know, those on the left will not take it sitting down.

59:02

And I hope we can calm down, but I worry about that as well.

59:07

But I'm also excited because are we is our focus here in America starting

59:13

to change that we realized, wait a minute, you guys Washington, you

59:15

aren't doing anything to help us. It's time we're going to make some changes

59:20

here. And get this done and get this country on a right footing yet

59:23

again. And that's what I think we need. But I'd love to hear

59:28

one word you would use to describe your feeling. I know it's early,

59:30

we're still a couple hundred days out as you head into this election, happy,

59:36

excited, anxious, scared eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero,

59:39

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pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, more your calls and comments coming up on the Rodarcut Show, Rod Friday, Same right Friday. It is

1:00:07

Thank Rod. It's Friday. Lines are open to you tonight. Triple eight five seven zero eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifty

1:00:14

and say hey Rod. We're just mentioning this story today as to how voters

1:00:19

are describing the upcoming twenty twenty four election in one word. Some of the

1:00:24

words they use to describe it, so it's kind of fun, anxious,

1:00:29

apprehensive, concerned, worried. Some labeled they're scared. Some also labeled that

1:00:37

they're excited, and they're hopeful. About a third of the voters gave the

1:00:40

responses indicating anger, disappointment, or resignation. You know, the one thing

1:00:45

that those on the left, the progressives, want us to do is simply

1:00:52

to just give up. That's why that term resignation is so important. They

1:00:55

want us to just give up, not get involved. You know, say

1:01:00

the heck with it. You know, we don't care, We're just going to live our own lives. We can't do that. We have got to

1:01:05

be involved. And I talk about this a lot about engagement and getting involved,

1:01:09

and that's what we really, really, in fact do need to do.

1:01:13

But I love these words. Disappointed, annoyed, frustrated could be also

1:01:19

classified as being angry. But as you go into this election, like I

1:01:22

said, I think the one thing that sits here in front of me is

1:01:28

opportunity. And hopefully you're thinking the same way, because if we have opportunity,

1:01:35

that's what this election is going to give us. We have an opportunity

1:01:39

every two years, every four years to make changes. Now, Unfortunately,

1:01:44

in America today, what it's the number I've seen somewhere eighty six eighty seven.

1:01:50

Ninety percent of the incumbents are re elected year after year. Why is

1:01:54

that? You know, if we want changes in America, kid today,

1:02:00

you know, sending the same people back to Washington time and time again.

1:02:05

You go, what are we trying to achieve here? Nothing's going to change

1:02:09

now. Sending some people back good thing, sending like a Mike Lee back

1:02:14

good thing, Sending someone like Burgess Owens back good thing. But there are

1:02:19

others that you go, Okay, you know, if we want change,

1:02:23

we keep on doing the same thing over and over again. It's not going

1:02:27

to bring about change. And I think that's what America is looking for.

1:02:30

All we want in this country today is to get things done, and most

1:02:38

importantly right now, the things that all the polls are indicating now, the

1:02:44

things that we want to get done if someone do something about this economy.

1:02:51

You know, it is tough for a lot of people out there who are

1:02:54

struggling. I mean, you look at the prices. It's amazing of what

1:03:00

people are paying for certain items anymore. Go to a grocery store, go

1:03:05

to one of those big box stores, I guess Sam's Club or a Costco. Lookqut your pain for things? Now. Go to a gas station right

1:03:12

now. Mentioned the other day, I'm at four to sixteen a gallon now

1:03:15

and it's going to go higher. That's where people want to see if things

1:03:20

can be done to get inflation back under control the way it was under Donald

1:03:24

Trump. And that's why I think people have faith in Donald Trump. When

1:03:29

people are asked who could handle the economy better, Joe Biden or Donald Trump,

1:03:32

about ninety percent of them raise their end in favor of Donald Trump.

1:03:37

So that's what we want fixed. We want to see something being done.

1:03:39

And then we have word today that Joe Biden, who one of the biggest

1:03:45

issues for his campaign other than his age is inflation, has no plans to

1:03:50

do anything about it, no plan that he'll unveil prior to the election.

1:03:54

He hasn't appointed. It's interesting there's a there's not a inflation fighter in the

1:04:01

White House today. Doesn't exist out there today, you know. And the

1:04:06

other issue is immigration. Joe Biden says, well, I'm examining things we

1:04:12

can do. Donald Trump didn't wait to examine anything. He acted. That's

1:04:15

what America is all about. We don't wait, We act eight eight eight

1:04:20

five seven eight zero one zero, triple eight five seven oh eight zero one

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zero. Or on your cell phone, all you do is have to dial

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pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, back to the phones. We

1:04:30

go on Thank Roud, it's Friday. Let's talk with Aaron in Smithfield tonight,

1:04:33

eron how are you welcome back to the show? Hi Rod, work

1:04:39

working hard, working hard as the county doll. Yet working hard. Good

1:04:43

for you, Good for you, Good for you. Some concerns I have.

1:04:47

I'm going to give you my word. My word's going to be fatal.

1:04:50

Ah, good work. And I know we talked about this before.

1:04:55

I think this is going to be the most violent period of time that we've

1:04:58

had since the Civil War, because regardless of who wins, uh, there's

1:05:02

going to be pushed from both sides. I think that if Biden wins,

1:05:05

there's going to be pushed to Uh. I'll say, as we were just

1:05:10

talking earlier, uh, taking our guns, taking our freedom. Uh.

1:05:15

If Trump wins, they'll burn cities and they'll do what they always do. Do you think, little Aaron, we have got a lot of time.

1:05:21

Quick question. Do you think those of us on the right who support Donald

1:05:25

Trump if he is not elected, will will we get I don't think I

1:05:29

think we'll. We understand the rule of law. We won't get violent the

1:05:31

way I think the left will. Because I agree with you, I think

1:05:33

they'll try and burn down cities. Well, they're going to try to take

1:05:39

things from us though, always that when they take power. Yeah, that's

1:05:43

true. And and and one other point that I wanted to make about our

1:05:46

congressional representatives is earlier it was pointed out of Blake Moore, you have to

1:05:50

understand what else is in these in these uh bills that they vote on.

1:05:55

I mean that bill had abortion money for the government and the military for abortions

1:06:02

and to send troops to other states to have abortions. It opened money to

1:06:08

swallow more illegal then that led to the death of Lake and Raleigh. Yeah,

1:06:13

read the bills. Sorry to cut you off there, Aeron, but I've got to get to a break here. But the one thing he didn't

1:06:17

understand, you know, I hate these bills. Make them simple, you

1:06:20

know, but they load up the bills is Erin so aptly pointed out,

1:06:24

they loaded up these bills for crying out loud and you can't do anything about

1:06:28

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featured interviews that will include in our Listen Back Friday segment coming up at the

1:07:47

bottom of the hour. Utah taxpayers are Utah taxpayers being cheated and short changed

1:07:55

out of billions of dollars by oil and gas leasing system that some say favors

1:08:00

bad actors. Well there's a new call for some changes in all of that.

1:08:03

And joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is Dave Jenkins. David's

1:08:06

president of the Conservatives for Responsible Stewardship. And David's joining us on our Newsmaker

1:08:13

line right down. And let me ask you this first, Dave, where

1:08:15

are the problems when it comes to the oil and gas leasing system right now?

1:08:19

And why do some changes need to be made to a Dave, Well,

1:08:24

we have this huge problem nationwide, especially in the Mountain West, with

1:08:29

orphan abandoned and orphan or wells. And so what happens is these companies,

1:08:33

as a condition of their permit, they promise to plug and reclaim those that

1:08:40

those well sites once they're finished. But what's been happened. But what's been

1:08:45

happening is that they extract all the oil and the profit associated with it,

1:08:50

and then they declare bankruptcy, or they sell their company, or they find

1:08:55

ways to skip town basically without filling their obligation and cleaning up the mess that

1:09:02

they made. So so what that's resulted in is a backlog of I think

1:09:08

there's like one hundred and thirty thousand orphan wells on public lands and I think

1:09:14

EPA estimates over three million nationwide. And back in a few years ago,

1:09:19

you know the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, it included four point seven billion dollars of

1:09:26

our taxpayer money to clean up these orphan wells. That is an obligation of

1:09:30

the people who promised to clean them up in the first place, and that

1:09:33

you know, extracted the oil. And so the solution of that, in

1:09:38

our view is bonding reform, where you required the companies to post a bond

1:09:43

that's actually sufficient to cover the cleanup cost in case they do skip down.

1:09:47

And you know, to us, that's a no brainer. As a fiscal

1:09:49

conservative, I don't want as a taxpayer to be paying for an obligation that

1:09:56

somebody else, you know, promised to as a condition of the lease permit

1:09:59

of a of their drilling permit. So so that's why we really favor the

1:10:03

current oil and gas rule that for some reason the Biden administration seems that they

1:10:09

can't get finalized. It's been I think they proposed it back in July of

1:10:15

last year and we're still waiting. But to us, this is a long

1:10:19

time coming, and we need to sort of stop the bleeding, stop more

1:10:25

of than porp and wells from popping up that we have to we have to

1:10:28

pay to clean up down the road to get this approved. Is it hung

1:10:31

up in Congress? Where is this right now? David? Is that's what

1:10:33

all is? That is? That? Is that what's holding it up?

1:10:38

No, it's just the Biden administration holding it up. They're just slow.

1:10:43

So right now, that's the problem is getting them to finalize the rule. Another on the other side of the equation, when you are talking about Congress,

1:10:51

Congresswoman Lorraine Bobert recently put a bill in the House that actually passed on

1:10:58

the floor that would block all this reform. So to us, that's kind

1:11:05

of a a head scratcher, because I can't figure out why anyone who claims

1:11:12

to be a fiscal conservative can be happy to throw billions of our hardware taxpayer

1:11:15

dollars of this problem. Yet they're unwilling to stop the scam by simply requiring

1:11:21

the companies to post a bond that's sufficient to ensure, you know that they

1:11:27

people feel their obligation. Yeah, yeah, I mean, in our view,

1:11:31

her and everyone who voted for her bill are simply trying to give you

1:11:35

know, the worst actors in the industry a license to keep scamming taxpayers,

1:11:41

and then you know, it's fiscal malpractice. And if you want to look

1:11:45

at another way, it's it's it's basically like a massive subsidy that makes slendra

1:11:48

you know, tell about gam So that's that's why we're against it. Where

1:11:55

you've got to be consistent, whether it's whether it's you know, taxpayer dollars

1:12:00

going too much on the solar renewable side, or whether it's taxpayer dollars going

1:12:04

too much to the oil and gas side. Whoever's developing it should be responsible.

1:12:10

It's the free enterprise system, Dave. Does the state of Utah have

1:12:14

any recourse in this area? I mean, do they have any legal authority

1:12:17

to force this cleanup and to force these companies to do this or is this

1:12:20

completely a federal issue in the state's hands right now? Are tied the state

1:12:26

has control over it when there's drilling on state lands, Okay, yeah,

1:12:29

and they have the same problem. They are doing a slightly better job at

1:12:34

discouraging that kind of practice than the Feds are, but still it is a

1:12:40

problem statewide too. And then the other thing this rule does is it increases

1:12:45

royalty rates from twelve percent to like sixteen point six percent, which is still

1:12:53

lower than Colorado and Texas charged for drilling on their state lands. What kind

1:12:58

of damage is to the environment or to the area where this really takes place,

1:13:01

Dave? What kind of damage do we typically see? But if they

1:13:04

don't clean up, these wells can leak and that you know, well,

1:13:12

whether it's oil or other types of chemicals used to pump into the well to

1:13:18

extract the oil, they can leak out into the watersheds and plute our water.

1:13:25

Methane can leak out of the whaleheads into the atmosphere. And you know,

1:13:30

people who are concerned about climate they had to really be worried about methane

1:13:34

because it's it's far more potent than in carbon dioxide, and it it's kind

1:13:42

of the lowest hanging fruit. It's it's easy to plug these wells and stop

1:13:46

that methane from going in the atmosphere, where it's harder to do some of

1:13:50

the other things that people would want us to do to address that issue.

1:13:55

So, Dave, is your message today basically to the Biden administration to heye,

1:13:58

get up, get go on, let's get it's done, and let's

1:14:00

protect the taxpayer and the environment at the same time. Is that what the

1:14:03

message is today, Yes, that's the message for the Biden administration, and

1:14:06

it's also the message for Congress, is that don't block this thing. I

1:14:11

mean, taxpayers need relief. We can't keep going on the way we have

1:14:15

for the last fifty years and building up, you know, tons of these

1:14:18

orphan wells that we have to come behind and clean up. It's the company

1:14:23

promises as parlor permit to clean it up. So then we hold them to

1:14:27

that. I mean, I get held to my promises, you know,

1:14:30

whether it's fulfilling a loan at the bank or whatever. So they should as

1:14:34

well. On our newsmaker line, Dave Jenkins, president of the Conservatives for

1:14:38

Responsible Stewardship, talking about fixing broken oil and gas leases. All right,

1:14:44

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1:15:27

My next guest, we always have Victor on to talk about the issues of

1:15:30

the day. He is a very insightful, very thoughtful in his approach to

1:15:34

the issues of the day and what is going on in the country. But

1:15:36

Victor Davis Hanson now has a brand new book out. Many of you know

1:15:41

Victor. He is an author and a historian, and the name of the

1:15:44

book is called The End of Everything. And Victor is joining us on our

1:15:48

Newspaker line right now. Victor is always great to have you back on the

1:15:51

show. But I have to tell you the title The End of Everything,

1:15:56

it's not a very optimistic approach the things Victor, what's going on, Well,

1:16:00

it's fice to talk about what's very rare in war, and that is

1:16:04

the defeated is not just you know defeated or gives up, or has its

1:16:09

infrastructure damage or its population attack, but it's completely wiped out. And I

1:16:15

mean that in every sense of the word, language, culture, they just

1:16:18

disappear. And that happened a number of times in history, not frequently,

1:16:24

but a number of times. And I concentrated on ancient theeves at Alexander the

1:16:30

Great wiped down to the foundation, ancient Carthage, that Scipio completely wiped out

1:16:35

language, culture, people, half a million Carthaginians, Constantinople, that destroyed

1:16:43

Christian Greek civilization, an Asia Minor, as well as the Aztec city of

1:16:47

Tinochil and that Cortes absolutely destroyed down to the foundations and destroyed the culture,

1:16:54

et cetera. And then I had an epilogue that I just see if there

1:16:58

was a typology or a pattern there that would be applicable to the modern world,

1:17:01

and could it happen again? Are there peoples in the world that are

1:17:04

very vulnerable? They live in dangerous neighborhoods, So are they subject to attack

1:17:09

by aggressive powers? Are they naive about the dangers? And so it's pretty

1:17:15

predictable what happens. The targeted people think this has never happened to us.

1:17:20

They don't do this anymore. Our enemies, even if they were going to

1:17:26

be victorious, wouldn't dare think of this. We have very extensive balls who

1:17:30

are well protected and they don't realize that they're in a state of decline and

1:17:35

they're very vulnerable, and the people that they're fighting are ruthless and have existential

1:17:42

plans to get rid of them, whether it's Skippio or Alexander or Kortev.

1:17:45

Yeah, Victor, what change do you think, because I'm thinking of World

1:17:49

War I, World War two, the other wars we've had since then.

1:17:53

I don't see an effort to wipe out and totally annihilate a civilization. What

1:17:58

change do you think or did it change? Change? I think we're still

1:18:01

in a very you know, I'm telling this has been one hundred years,

1:18:05

but you could easily, I'm afraid to say, envision something in the Middle

1:18:10

East, a nuclear change between Israel and Iran. You've got half of the

1:18:15

world's Jewry in one place, Israel, and it's surrounded by five hundred million

1:18:19

people who want to destroy it, and it's the only source of the spoken

1:18:26

Hebrew language today and it's really a neck if you destroyed Israel, and it

1:18:30

would just really destroyed Jewish culture as we know it. And people are saying

1:18:34

that every day and in the world of bioweapons, but nuclear weapons and what

1:18:40

Iran has been saying about Israel not to mention has the law, it's it's

1:18:44

possible to envision that. And we're looking at three million Armenians and mister Earleion

1:18:49

just ethnically cleansed one hundred thousand of them and kick in the disputed corridor on

1:18:55

its borders. And has you just said, not too long ago, we

1:18:59

haven't a solution for the Armenians. That's just like our nineteenth century grandparents,

1:19:03

which led to the genocide that almost wiped Urmia out. Mister Aridon is threatened

1:19:10

to send missiles into Greece, and Greece only has twelve million people. It's

1:19:15

got a pretty large country of fifty thousand square miles, but that is mostly

1:19:18

except for the Cypriots, and they've been threatened as well. That's the repository

1:19:24

of Hellenic culture of twenty five hundred years. And I finished the book also

1:19:30

with examining all the threats that Russians have made in Ukraine, and I was

1:19:32

really startled. It's not just putin, it's general media people and they've all

1:19:39

talked casually about using tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, and we all just say

1:19:45

they would never do that. How do we know they would never do that if they get desperate or if they feel they're going to be humiliated. So

1:19:51

I think Putin is perfectly capable of wiping out Ukraine in the way that he

1:19:57

wiped out Chech, the city of Grosney. You mentioned the Middle East,

1:20:02

and obviously that is a tinderbox right now. I mean, could you you

1:20:06

know the hatred you see from Hamas toward Israel and Hezbelah toward Israel, and

1:20:12

Iran toward Israel. I mean, would their end goal be to just wipe

1:20:16

out Israel and wipe out as many Jews as they possibly could if a war

1:20:19

came about Victor Well, that's what they say. They say they want to

1:20:24

destroy Israel. The river to the sea means there's no longer the Jewish people

1:20:28

or Israel in existence. And you saw what happened on October seventh. What

1:20:31

stopped them, I mean, got a ceasefire. But after the first five

1:20:36

hundred Jewish women and children they butchered, did they say that, Okay,

1:20:41

that's enough, We'll have a ceasefire. No, they didn't. They killed

1:20:44

another six or seven hundred more. And what stopped them wasn't because they felt

1:20:48

bad or they thought they'd done enough, but they felt the IDF had finally

1:20:53

caught on to them and was mobilizing, and it would be dangerous for them

1:20:57

to stay in Israel. Otherwise they would have as they said that in their

1:21:00

own words, and I think if you look at the charter home Moss,

1:21:04

that's what they want to do. And I think we'll see what Iran does

1:21:09

in the next week or two. But the only thing that stops him is

1:21:13

deterrens that Israel's in nuclear power. But if they get in their minds that

1:21:17

say Iran that they would be famous in the annals of Islamic history. Is

1:21:20

the only Islamic nation the Shia, the supposedly minority Shia, and the Persians

1:21:28

rather than the arab Us. But they would if they feel they would have

1:21:30

everlasting fame for being the nation that destroyed the Jewish state. I'm sure they

1:21:34

would do it. Victor, is the world in a different place now which

1:21:41

would prevent this from happening? Do you think? I mean the United States

1:21:45

the greatest military power out there? China another great military power. Is there

1:21:49

something out there that would stop an annihilation like this taking place. Oh,

1:21:55

I don't think anybody lifted a finger. And the Houtis and Potsison Rwanda,

1:22:00

they just sort of tire. I mean that was done with edged weapons and

1:22:04

muscular la force. They wasn't sophisticated. They almost killed somewhere. We're told

1:22:11

about a million people were right if you look at the number of Ukrainians and

1:22:15

Russians that have been killed, wounded or missing. We're past the battle of

1:22:19

We're done seven hundred thousand. We're getting up to the battle of some territory

1:22:25

nine hundred thousand. And I don't see somebody. I don't see a bunch

1:22:29

of people saying this is horrible, this is a slaughter. A quarter of

1:22:32

the Ukrainian population is in exile. We've got to stop that. We've got

1:22:36

to have a discussion or something that I don't know where. Nobody has any

1:22:43

idea how it's going to end. And Ukraine has limited resources, and I'm

1:22:46

sure that is not mine. Destroying Ukrainian culture and absorbing it back and relabelling

1:22:55

it Russian, and so I think it's very possible, and in fact it's

1:22:59

easier now than antiquity because the methodology is so much quicker, and there's less

1:23:04

margin of error. And we're not even talking about artificial intelligence or what we

1:23:10

saw at WU on. We're talking about nuclear weapons is scary enough, and

1:23:14

we've not to mention space age weapons, satellite technology. So it's human nature.

1:23:19

I guess rod stays constant, and the technology is just a delivery system

1:23:25

and it's delivering much more lethally and rapidly than antiquity. So I think it

1:23:30

can happen if we're not careful. On our Newsmaker line, author historian Victor

1:23:33

Davis Hanson talking this time about his brand new book called The End of Everything,

1:23:39

How Wars Descend into Annihilation? All right, our Listen Back Friday segments

1:23:43

coming you away next right here on the rod Ark Can't show. In Utah's

1:23:46

Talk Radio one oh five nine an rs. They wrought our cat show on

1:24:10

talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. It is time now for our listen

1:24:19

Back Friday segments. We do this every Friday. At the last half hour

1:24:24

of the show. We look back over the issues that we've explored and talked

1:24:28

about and the Newsmakers people we've talked to about those issues, and I think

1:24:32

we have two great interviews coming up on our Listen Back Friday, segments that

1:24:35

you may have missed this past week because we know you're busy. You can't

1:24:40

list every minute of every show. We wish you could, but we understand

1:24:43

you can, and we like to play some of these interviews back. There's no doubt that the two top issues going into the presidential election are going to

1:24:49

be the economy and immigration. Now the Democrats are also going to throw in

1:24:54

a third issue, abortion, But if you talk to people out there,

1:24:57

I don't think abortion is first and foremost on their mind. What they're trying

1:25:00

to do is pay the bills, and they're concerned about safety and what's going

1:25:02

on down at the border. Well, earlier this week, we spoke with

1:25:06

Todd Bensman. Todd is a senior National Security Fellow. He works for the

1:25:11

Center for Immigration Studies. He had a great story about America's covert border war.

1:25:15

He's talking about the cartels and what the cartels do. I had a

1:25:19

chance to talk with Todd earlier this week and I asked him, first of

1:25:23

all, he went to the border actually and dealt with the cartels. I

1:25:27

asked him what area he went to and why he decided to go there.

1:25:30

I went to Warres, to the west side of Warres, Mexico. The

1:25:35

west side of Warres is cartel control La Linea Cartel. I went over there

1:25:43

because there is a current epidemic of runners, people who got away, who

1:25:49

don't turn themselves in, who have to pay for their smuggling to get into

1:25:56

the US, as opposed to how most of them get in the States,

1:26:00

which is to just simply turn themselves into border patrol placidly, compliantly. But

1:26:05

there's an epidemic of a big upswing of runners, and that's by far the

1:26:11

most dangerous part of the border crisis that nobody ever really sees or reports about,

1:26:16

because the majority of those people must be presumed to have criminality in their

1:26:23

histories, in their backgrounds, otherwise they would be on the other side of

1:26:28

Warres turning themselves into border patrol and getting processed in. And that's the problem.

1:26:32

We've had two million runners get away into the American interior that we know

1:26:40

of in the last thirty six months, and Warres, the west side of

1:26:45

Warres, really just is emblematic of this particular part of the crisis. Todd,

1:26:49

you had a couple of encounters, as you point out in your story

1:26:51

with members of the cartel, what is that experience, like, Todd,

1:26:55

it's got to be frightening. It's a little bit scary, I'll admit,

1:27:00

because you never really want to run into those guys there, unpredictable of their

1:27:03

arm. If you run into them, you know, things can your whole

1:27:09

life can change on a dime. Get into my car right now at the

1:27:12

point of a gun and that's that. So my policy is usually to avoid

1:27:17

them at all costs, but sometimes you just can't. And that happened to

1:27:21

me a couple of times on this one. How dangerous of an area is

1:27:26

that west side of war As right down? Todd? Would you say,

1:27:28

how dangerous of an area is it? It's dangerous, you know, I

1:27:31

wouldn't recommend the you know, a normal person to go in there voluntarily.

1:27:38

The entire that whole whole side of the city and beyond into the desert is

1:27:44

completely controlled by La Linea. And and they mean business because the the the

1:27:54

amount of money that they're making off this immigration crisis is astounding huge. Five

1:28:00

thousand dollars ahead and hundreds and hundreds every single day, not five thousand dollars

1:28:05

ahead. You could do the math. They're not going to let that go.

1:28:09

They're not going to let rivals come in and take it from them.

1:28:13

They're going to defend it by force of arms. They're going to make sure

1:28:16

nobody's ripping them off and climbing over without pain, all of that sort of

1:28:20

thing. So all along that section of the old border fence, the old

1:28:27

border wall, you can see what we call halconies, which are in Spanish

1:28:33

from English is falcons and their cartel spies that are just watching that wall to

1:28:41

make sure that whoever's crossing through it or over it has paid and that there's

1:28:47

no interlopers. They are armed. They will enforce their territory if they catch

1:28:54

you or anybody else trying to move people over their territory. Todd one gets

1:29:00

through here, one of these runners, they pay up. They get through there. Now in the United States, do they owe anything more to the

1:29:05

cartel or once they're paid, once they're through, does the cartel just let

1:29:09

them go? Yeah? I mean mostly you know they want their money up.

1:29:15

Yeah, yeah, then you know there's a package deal here. Once

1:29:18

they go through the wall or over it, then you know they have to

1:29:23

they part of the deal is that they arrange the cartel arranges for pickups by

1:29:28

vehicle at you know the highways. There's an Interstate ten is over there and

1:29:33

that's probably the favorite one. And then they drive them to safe houses,

1:29:38

which are also a cartel run, and then from there they may transport them

1:29:43

beyond to a bus station in another city or to the other city. But

1:29:47

sometimes there are deals made for loans where people who can't afford the whole thing

1:29:56

have to agree to pay them off over time in the United States that they're

1:30:01

from the proceeds of whatever jobs they end up with. So it's a little

1:30:06

bit of a mix, but I think they prefer to have their money up

1:30:09

front. Is the US Todd, Did you see any visibility of the US

1:30:15

and the Border Patrol trying to control this at all? Or is this an

1:30:17

area they just can't control and they don't want to go into right now because

1:30:21

it is so dangerous. There are some border patrol. You can find some

1:30:28

Border patrol vehicles driving along that wall. It's about an eight or ten mile

1:30:33

But remember this is in New Mexico, not Texas. Yeah, that is

1:30:38

New Mexico, and New Mexico has a democratic governor who loves as much illegal

1:30:44

immigration as they could get, and they have ordered border patrol off the line,

1:30:54

not border patrol, I'm sorry, state police, Yeah, off the

1:30:57

line. There are no state police there like in in Unlike in Texas,

1:31:03

you have thousands of Texans National Guard and state troopers just a little bit over.

1:31:10

And that's part of the whole appeal of that area is that the new

1:31:15

Mexican government, new Mexican state government, leaves everybody alone. Final question for

1:31:23

you, Todd, I really appreciate your insight on this story. I don't

1:31:26

think many Americans are aware of this as they should be. What happens to

1:31:31

these guys and these women after they get into the United States. You mentioned

1:31:34

safe houses, but sooner or later, if they paid their bill, they're

1:31:38

on their way to do whatever they want in the US. Is that right,

1:31:40

Todd? Yeah, they joined the you know, millions and millions of

1:31:45

people who are already living illegally in the country and working in the black labor

1:31:49

market, you know, mowing lawns or whatever, you know, getting fake

1:31:54

documents and getting jobs. And so that's the whole point is, you know,

1:31:58

everybody just wants to work and earn their paycheck and send the money back

1:32:02

to family. It's typically what that's all about. From the Center for Immigration

1:32:06

Studies, Todd Bensman's joining us. He's a National security fellow there at the

1:32:11

CIS, talking about America's covert border war. More coming up on the Rod

1:32:15

Oar Cat Show on this listen back Friday segment right here on Utah's Talk Radio

1:32:19

one oh five nine KNRS. Done. Now for a news update, final

1:32:36

segment of the Rod Oar Cat Show with you on this Thank Rod It's Friday

1:32:40

in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine K and R ass Jeffy Kelly coming

1:32:44

your way. Jeffrey will be with you starting at seven right up until ten

1:32:48

o'clock tonight on Talk Radio one oh five nine K and RS. Boy,

1:32:53

been a real, real good week for the state of Utah. I mean

1:32:57

talk about you know, we've had a good week. We had the International

1:33:00

Committee here this week taking a look at our Olympic venues if they're ready,

1:33:03

if we host the games I think in twenty thirty four. There's talk about

1:33:08

possibly an an HL team coming to this state. We'll have to see how

1:33:12

that all breaks out. And then there were two economic reports out this week

1:33:15

one in the Wall Street Journal about how Utah right now or Salt Lake City,

1:33:19

we should say, is the hottest job market in the country right now.

1:33:24

Good news for Utah. Another report, this one released by the American

1:33:27

Legislative Exchange Council, said for the seventeenth year in the row, Utah ranked

1:33:33

number one with the best economic outlook. We haited a chance to talk with

1:33:36

Jonathan Williams, the chief economents there at the American Legislative Exchange Council, about

1:33:42

this, and I asked him. Starting off for our conversation, I said,

1:33:45

Jonathan, it looks like Utah is doing very very well. Well.

1:33:48

Absolutely, we're big fans of the record of just continual success now for seventeen

1:33:54

years running in our rich states, poor states report. Congratulations to my good

1:33:58

friends sent at President Stewart Adams and Speaker Schultz and all the legislators that have

1:34:02

worked hard to get this done over the years. But I will say one

1:34:05

thing, Ronle, taking a point of personal privilege, we agree with the

1:34:09

Wall Street Journal there right on. But we were for Utah before it was

1:34:13

cool to be for Utah, seventeen years ago. And I'm proud to say

1:34:15

our projections came true, and you are leading the nation in terms of economic

1:34:18

opportunity. Boy, you were way ahead of the game for a long long

1:34:21

time. John. And then, as you point out, what, in

1:34:24

your opinion is the formula that's working in this state right now, why are

1:34:29

we doing so well? Well, it's a lot of great things. I

1:34:31

was just doing an interview here in Washington a few minutes ago and went on

1:34:34

for about ten minutes about how the Utah resume has been built over the years

1:34:39

of limited government and low taxes and respect for individual liberty and this idea that

1:34:45

we shouldn't be too beholden on the federal government. I mean financial ready Utah

1:34:48

and my good friend Ken Ivory and just leading the way to make sure that

1:34:51

Utah doesn't hitch its wag into this real disaster that's happening with the total budget.

1:34:57

But I mean this commitment to continuing to taxes, to respect the growth

1:35:01

and not grow government too a large relative to the size of the private economy,

1:35:06

and to at the end of the day, have the right incentives in

1:35:10

place when it comes to lower taxes and lower regulation for businesses of all types

1:35:15

to thrive. I mean it is an incredible success story and one that I

1:35:17

think states all across the country are looking to emulate. Because you know,

1:35:21

it's not just our ranking or other academic papers that are out there, the

1:35:26

proofs in the pudding. I mean, as you know, well, Brod, Utah one of the fastest growing states in America and one of the key

1:35:31

factors now seventeen years in a row that we measure is how much Americans vote

1:35:35

with their feet and move away from high tax states and move to states for

1:35:41

economic opportunity. And that's exactly the formula that Utah offers. Jonathan. How

1:35:45

big of a challenge is it for Utah? Because as you mentioned, we're

1:35:48

a growing state. We have a lot of people wanting to move to the

1:35:51

state. Jobs are being created in the state. Of course, that leads

1:35:55

to more pressure sometimes for more government services, larger goth How I mean,

1:36:00

what kind of pressure do we face? And in your opinion, how have

1:36:04

we been able to hold the line on this? Well, I think you've

1:36:09

had some real forethought and individuals and leaders that have gone before. I think

1:36:14

of my friend Dan william Quist to a decade plus ago thinking about things that

1:36:18

many other states hadn't even thought about. And reforming the state pension system to

1:36:21

make sure that you don't face the billions upon billions of dollars in these massive

1:36:27

unfunded liabilities that are plaguing states like California and Illinois across the country, threatening

1:36:31

bankruptcy in some municipalities. And when businesses and individuals look at where to investor

1:36:38

where to move, they're not just looking at the current trajectory or current policy.

1:36:43

They're looking at expectations of the future. And I think Utah has always

1:36:46

been forward looking. They continue a good policy mix in the current law,

1:36:51

but they're always looking for ways to a avoid over reliance on federal government be

1:36:57

avoid the disaster of unfunded liabilities. And of course, I think a trailblazing

1:37:00

law that Utah has had on the books is truth and Taxation on property taxes

1:37:04

to make sure that assessments that are hitting taxpayers. While it's hard right now

1:37:09

all across the country, are something that can be kept in check. Jonathan,

1:37:13

I don't know if you have the numbers in front of you, but

1:37:15

are other Mountain West states doing as well as Utah? Is the region in

1:37:18

the Mountain West doing very well in this regard, except for maybe Colorado,

1:37:25

that's right. I mean, the Mountain West has become very competitive. In

1:37:28

fact, in this year's Rich States Poor States, Idaho ranked number two and

1:37:32

Arizona ranked number three. So there you have it. They have a trifective

1:37:36

Mountain West states that are looking at ways to become more competitive. I mean,

1:37:42

as you probably know, Arizona's even surpassed Utah and the fact that it

1:37:45

has a flat tax that is now only two point five percent on personal income.

1:37:50

Idaho has also been creating a tax cuts, went to a flat tax

1:37:55

to match Utah. And you know, when you're at the top of these

1:37:58

standings and you look at for professional sports or anything else, all competitors eyes

1:38:02

are trained on you. And that's a good thing because Utah is leaving the

1:38:05

nation. But it's also, to your point, can be a challenge to

1:38:09

stay at number one, especially when you have the huge population. It closes

1:38:13

how do you provide those core government services without allowing government to grow too large.

1:38:17

Is there a sleeper out there, a state out there that we should

1:38:19

keep our eye on right now as they try and move up in the rankings

1:38:23

here, Jonathan, Well, you know, I think that North Carolina has

1:38:27

done a tremendous job over the years, moving from number twenty six about ten

1:38:30

years ago to number four today. So they've been one of the biggest winners

1:38:34

over the years. Indiana has been a state that's moved up tremendously and also

1:38:39

now in the top five. And so you know, I would keep our

1:38:42

eyes on Idaho, on Arizona, and North Carolina, Indiana, and of

1:38:46

course there's always the powerhouse states like Texas and Florida, very large states to

1:38:51

continue to do big things. Texas was one of the big winners in this

1:38:55

report, moving from number thirteen to number six this year due to it eighteen

1:39:00

billion dollars tax cut on property tax. Wow. So there's a lot of

1:39:03

competition out there and that's a good thing inherently On our newsmaker line and part

1:39:08

of our Listen Back Friday segment, Jonathan Williams with the American Legislative Exchange Council

1:39:12

talking about how well Utah is doing when it comes to the economy. All

1:39:16

right, that does it for us tonight and for this week, as we

1:39:19

say each and every evening, head out shoulders back, Thank God, bless

1:39:23

you and your family and this great country of ours. Enjoy the weekend,

1:39:26

everybody, We'll be back on Monday with a brand new edition of The rod

1:39:30

Rik Kentshaw. We'll talk to you Monday at four. Have a good weekend.