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Listen and you will know. First of all, if you haven't heard this

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yet, I love this Rod Arcat on Talk Radio one oh five nine o

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kN rs. Now, before I forget to do this, I want to

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make sure that I mentioned this as we start off the show today. But

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did you know what today is? Anybody know what today is? There are

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all kinds of days on particular day, right, but today is National Working

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Mom's Dead, National Working Mom's Debt. So for all you working moms out

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there, and I think every mom is a working mom, but maybe those

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who work outside the home and then come home and run the home, this

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is the day in which we honor you. So congratulations to all your working

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moms today. It is National Working Mom's Day today, and it's a day

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that we recognize all you women who are out there working every day. My

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wife works at home. I mean, she's run the family ever since we've

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been married, so I consider her a working mom. And I know a

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lot of you work outside the home and how you do it, how you

1:10

make it all work. I couldn't do it, I mean, but you

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do it. And congratulations to you as we recognize you today on National Working

1:18

Mom's Day. All Right, here's the problem for Joe Biden in the White

1:23

House. It is Joe Biden's memory and this is an issue that is not

1:30

going to go away. The American people, people like you who are listening

1:34

this afternoon, realize that Joe Biden has a memory problem and it is caused

1:41

by age. There's no drug, there's nothing you can do about it.

1:46

It is the progression of age. Some people age faster than others. Some

1:51

people their memory. I mean, I'm to the point I'll forget the name occasionally, it does happen, right, But that's the issue that the White

1:57

House is trying to deal with, and it was emphasized again today with five

2:02

hours of testimony from Robert Hurt, who is a special counsel who investigated all

2:08

the document issues concerning Joe Biden and his election, his time as a senator,

2:15

a vice president of private citizen, and now President of the United States.

2:19

But it is an issue that is not going to go away. And

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no matter what the Democrats do, you know, the American people in their

2:28

minds realize that Joe Biden has a memory problem. Joe Biden is aging,

2:32

and are we willing to put Joe Biden, who has already been impacted by

2:37

this in the White House for another four years. That's the question I think

2:40

the American people are going to have to decide come November. How are you

2:45

every Budy, Hello, Utah, Welcome to the rod Arcanco. Great to

2:47

be with you on this Tuesday afternoon. For casters are saying the wins are

2:52

coming, folks, and I live up in Davis County. I think many of you know that I'm right up there in the wind tunnel and this is

2:58

the time of year where in March General you'll get a strong eastern wind coming

3:01

out of those easterly wind coming out of those mountains in those canyons, and

3:06

it blows like crazy. And apparently it's going to show up on Thursday and

3:08

Friday. So we'll batten down the hatches in David's County and get ready for

3:13

that this week. A lot to get to today here in a minute, we'll spend some time with you on Robert Hurt's testimony today. Kind of an

3:20

interesting story we'll talk about. You know, Nicki Hailey after Super Tuesday announced

3:27

that you know, she's suspending her campaign, and now the debate is where

3:31

are Nicki Hiley supporters going to go. Will they go with Donald Trump?

3:37

Will they go with Joe Biden. Joe Biden has reached out to him said

3:39

love to have you as part of my party. Hopefully they won't do that.

3:44

But where are they going to go? We're going to be talking about

3:46

that. Mike Lee will join us at the bottom of the hour, coming

3:49

up at four thirty five today. He's got a real interesting idea, a

3:53

question that I'm going to pose to you as well for people who fly,

3:57

people who take airlines to travel, real interesting question, Michael Lasts. We

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got a lot of other things to get to today as well, so as

4:03

always, we invite you to be a part of the program today. Eight

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eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero

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one zero. Are on your cell phone. All you do is have to

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dial pound two fifty and simply say hey, Rod. All right, let's

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get into Robert Hurd's testimony today. There is no doubt that Joe Biden's memory,

4:23

which was highlighted in Robert Hurt's report today, is an issue that is

4:27

simply not going to weigh. The Democrats are mad because how her characterized Joe

4:31

Biden in his special Counsel report. Republicans are mad that Robert Hurd did not

4:38

charge Joe Biden because he is not mentally capable to remember everything, and if

4:43

he was put on trial, a jury would look at a very sympathetic man

4:46

who is losing his memory and they would therefore not convict him. So nobody

4:51

came away with that today very very happy. But there were two issues that

4:56

the testimony focused on today. The first and four and the most important is

5:02

whether Joe Biden willfully retained classified information when he was out of office. The

5:09

answer is these Robert Hurr found yes, although her was careful to note that

5:15

for a variety of reasons, including the state of Joe Biden's memory, her

5:21

did not have enough evidence to convince a jury. But the thing to remember

5:26

is that her or that Biden mishandled classified information. Now, the second issue

5:31

goes to the age question. As we began this morning, it was clear

5:39

that the Democrats and their allies in the media were furious with Robert Hurr to

5:44

bring up in his report the age issue. I mean even listening to MSNBC

5:49

and Joe Scarlborough today as he went off on Robert Hurr Special Counsel Robert hur

5:55

is expected to testify later this morning before the Republican led House Judicial Recommended.

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I wonder what pastor he will walk off into. I don't know, just

6:04

kind of wander off and so well, you know, and Joe Biden,

6:08

I noticed he didn't really tie his tie. Well that ty not suggested that

6:15

maybe he has arthritis in his left thumb. Where are you going with this?

6:19

I'm just saying, this guy says such random about us his Oh stop,

6:26

he's a kindly old man who could not remember his son. Like he

6:31

wandered off into a pastor here, and you know, maybe Arnold let him

6:36

there. I don't know. No, you should apologize for her because shouldn't

6:41

have asked. I don't know exactly. Like does he hope he gets a

6:45

judge ship? I think he does. I think he hopes he gets a

6:47

judge ship. If Donald Trump gets elected again, he's trying out because he

6:53

humiliated himself. Okay with that, you have seen the video that because once

6:59

he dropped the s bomb, all of a sudden, maker's trying to cover up his wealth. Shut up, you can't say that. You can't say

7:04

that. I mean, it was hilarious. But that's how delirious and deranged

7:09

people like Joe Scarborough and Minka Berzhinski and those on the left are about this

7:13

testimony from Robert hurt today. Now it was five hours. I understand nobody

7:17

has five hours in their day to sit and watch this on television. So

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here's little montage of what happened. You'll hear James Comer first. A little

7:25

bit later on you'll hear questions from Jim Jordan and also from Matt Gates.

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Here's some highlights from the hearing today with Special Counsel Robert Hurr. The White

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House has refused to be transparent with the American people about the President's mishandling have

7:38

classified documents, and worse, they have appeared to have lied about the timeline,

7:44

about who handled the documents, and even about the contents of President Biden's

7:48

interview with Special Council her. I did not sanitize my explanation, nor did

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I disparage the president unfairly. I explained to the Attorney General my decision and

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the reasons for it. That's what I was required to do. My team

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and I conducted a thorough, independent investigation. We identified evidence that the President

8:11

wilfully retained classified materials after the end of his vice presidency when he was a

8:15

private citizen. Pride and money is why he knowingly violated the rules, the

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oldest motives in the book pride in money. You agree with that, mister

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Herr. You wrote it in your report that language, and it does appear

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in the report, and we did identify evidence supporting those assessments. February eighth,

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the White House question, mister President, why did you share classified information

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with your ghostwriter? The President? I did not share classified information. I

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did not share it. I guarantee I did not. That's not true,

8:50

is it, mister her That is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence

8:54

in my report. So I can assure you, and I can tell you

8:58

that partisan politics had no place whatsoever in my work. It had no place

9:03

in the investigative steps that I took, it had no place in the decision

9:05

that I made, and it had no place in a single word of my

9:09

report. Those are just a few of the audio highlights the sound bites from

9:11

the hearing today. Now there are a lot of exchanges between her and the

9:15

Democrats, who are furious that her would characterize Joe Biden is an elderly man

9:20

who does have much of a memory anymore. The most classic exchange came between

9:26

Adam schiff All shiftless added again, who is running for the US and in

9:30

California against Steve Harvey, by the way, former Dodger baseball player. He

9:33

threw a hitsy fit going after her for daring to tell the truth about Joe

9:37

Biden's memory. I need to address something that you said in your prior question

9:41

of what you were suggesting is that I needed to provide a different version of

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my report that would be fit for public release. That is nowhere in the

9:50

rules. I was to prepare a confidential report that was comprehensive and thorough of

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ante. What is in the rules, mister Herr. What is in the

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rules is you don't gratuitously do things to prejudice this subject of an investigation where

10:05

you're declining to prosecute. You don't gratuitously add language that you'll know will be

10:11

useful in a political campaign. You were not born yesterday. You understood exactly

10:16

what you were doing. It was a choice. You certainly didn't have to

10:20

include that language. You could have said vis a vis the documents that were

10:24

found in the university. The president did not recall. There is nothing more

10:28

common. You know this, I know this. There is nothing more common

10:31

with a witness of any age when asked about events that are years old,

10:35

to say I do not recall. Indeed, they're instructed by their attorney to

10:39

do that if they have any question about it. You understood that you made

10:43

a choice that was a political choice. It was the wrong choice, mister

10:46

Chairman, I yel back, tellmen yields back, jemen fer Arizona. Did

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a special council wish to respond to that final question? Yes, Congressman.

10:54

What you are suggesting is that I shape, sanitize, omit portions of my

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reasoning and explanation of the Attorney general for political reasons. No, I suggest

11:05

that you do not shape your for political reasons. It would not have a

11:09

spons when that did not happen. I think the term they used on the

11:11

Big Bang theory was bazinga. I thought that was a Bazinger drop on Adam

11:16

Schiff. By the way, you know, the Biden age problem is real. It is not going to go away, becoming more intense. If he

11:22

becomes president for another four years, he will end his term at the age

11:26

of eighty six. And yes, he looked, you know, all healthy

11:28

and energetic during the State of the Union last week. But the American people

11:33

know differently, and they see Geo by nearly every day looking and sounding like

11:37

a man who is not up to the riggers of running this country. All

11:41

right, More coming up on the rod Archanhow and Utah's Talk Radio one oh

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We'll talk to Mike about that coming up with the bottom of the hour and

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get your reaction to it coming up as well right here on the rod or

12:24

Kenshow. You know. One of my favorite movies a Western movie is Butch

12:28

Casting and the Sundance Kid, the movie with Paul Newman and Robert Redford,

12:31

and there's that famous line where they're being chased by these guys and they keep

12:35

on asking the question who are those guys? Well, I think the same

12:39

question can be posed about people who support Nicki Haley. Who are these people?

12:43

Why are they supporting or why did they support Niki Haley? But the

12:46

bigger question now is the fact that she suspended her campaign. Where will her

12:52

voters go and what could she do for Donald Trump in the campaign against Joe

12:56

Biden. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that is Paul Gotfrey.

13:01

Paul is a historian, a philosopher, and associated scholar. He's joining

13:03

us on our Newsmaker line. Paul, how are you welcome back to the

13:05

rod Arcachew. Thanks for joining us, Paul. I am doing fine,

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all right, Paul. First of all, who are the Nikky Hailey supporters?

13:15

Yeah, as far as far as I can determine, they're not regular

13:18

Republicans. I mean, I keep hearing every time I turn on Fox News,

13:22

someone is explaining that she is going to Trump has to win over the

13:28

Nikki Hayley voters because they represent thirty percent of the Republican Party that are not

13:33

with them. I see no evidence that they represent thirty percent of the Republican

13:37

Party. I don't question there's some Republicans who may in fact have voted for

13:43

her, but the vast majority seem to be Democratic leaning independents and Democrats who

13:50

cross party lines where they could in order to vote for Nicki. And when

13:56

people in New Hampshire are being interviewed, I heard this interview in which they

14:01

were asked, whom did you vote for Nikki Haley? Whom do you intend

14:05

to vote for in November and the answer was Joe Biden. So a lot

14:11

of these people are Democrats who just want to knock Trump out of the race.

14:16

I certainly can see that there are differences in style, differences in position

14:22

between the two of them. I just questioned whether she's holding on to a

14:28

large Republican block that Trump needs to win. I'm also questioning whether she could

14:35

deliver her voters to Trump, because many of these people who are supporting her

14:39

are never Trump fanatics. Paul, Is she as powerful as the media likes

14:45

to make her out to be within the Republican Party. Absolutely not. Once

14:50

you get beyond the Murdoch media empire, the Wall Street journals, some of

14:54

the people writing for the New York Post, and some of the people on

15:01

I really don't see her having that much support within the Republican Party. I

15:07

mean, the most of most of the people I know who are supporting n.

15:11

Gheley are not Republicans. They're liberal Democrats who like her because she's good

15:16

on Israel or because she is moderate supposedly moderate on abortion. I'm not quite

15:22

sure what her position there is right now. Yeah, I mean, so

15:28

I don't think she commands much support in the Republican Party from what I can

15:31

see, the Republicans who did imfect support her during this campaign, will they

15:37

go over and vote for Donald Trump or will they think about either voting for

15:39

Joe Biden or not participating at all? Do we know that yet? Yeah,

15:43

good question. It seems that the vast majority of her supporters are not

15:50

to say they're not going to vote for Trump. Now. I don't know

15:52

how many of those people are Republicans who are never Trumpers, but I suspect

15:58

a lot of them, as I said, are Democrats or Democratic leaning independence

16:03

who would never have voted for Trump in any case. So I don't think

16:06

she's holding on to a large number of a persuadable Republicans whom she could bring

16:14

over to Trump. Trump has to earn their support well, I mean,

16:18

whether he tries to earn it or not, there's absolutely no reason me to

16:22

believe that, you know, she can deliver those people, or that they're

16:26

even winnable in most cases. Well, what if she comes out and says,

16:30

after careful consideration? I always love that line. You know, I

16:33

really think those of you who supported me on the Republican side need to support

16:38

Donald Trump. I mean, will they if she asks them to? Well,

16:45

some of them will. I mean there may be a minority of her

16:48

supporters who were Republicans who will lean one way or the other, and I've

16:52

heard some of them interviewed. She might be able to bring them over,

16:56

But I don't think these people represent anything even approaching you know, approaching majority

17:03

of her of her constituency. So I don't think she matters very much.

17:10

Do you think? Yeah? Do you think she's even been thought about as a VP candidate? I don't think she's being thought of any more. I

17:18

can't imagine why Trump would would would nominate her. He'd have to sort of

17:22

watch his back to be sure. No. Dad would went into it.

17:27

The relationship between those two, how would you describe it now? Well,

17:33

I think it's uh it's it's probably mutually venomous. I can't imagine it that

17:41

either one likes the other at this point. Although Trump has certainly been more

17:47

uh what you say, more outspoken and his hatred and kept calling her bird

17:52

brain and so forth. Of course she did come back. Yeah, yes,

17:56

he was too old for his office and you know it is probably going

18:00

to spend time in jail or this kind of you know, so that that

18:04

although her language against him wasn't as blunt as his was against her, she

18:10

certainly went after him as being you know, unfit for his office. Yeah,

18:12

final question for you, Paul. Of course, there are a lot

18:15

of the pundits out there who've said she can appeal to the suburban women,

18:18

and Donald Trump needs suburban women if he wants to beat Joe Biden. Is

18:22

that true in your opinion? Well, she does. I would guess that

18:26

she has more appealed to suburban women. But what I'm questioning is whether she

18:30

could deliver their votes to Donald Trump. And I see no reason to believe

18:34

that she can. Paula Zoyd, Yeah, go ahead, No, I

18:40

mean it's I mean, you know, they really have to prove their case,

18:44

because what I'm arguing is most of these suburban women are not Republicans or

18:48

leaning Republicans. They're leaning Democratic, and they like Hailey because either they're trying

18:55

to knock Trump out of the election or because she has a soft, nice

18:59

way of speaking. Then she does she has in deal too harshly with certain

19:04

social issues. On the other hand, I don't think their fondest for Haley

19:10

is transferable to Trump. Well, I'll see what happens. As always,

19:12

Paul, great chatting with you. Thank you for your analysis, and I

19:15

know we'll be talking more down the road. Thanks Paul, Thank you.

19:18

All right on our newsmaker line. That's Paul Godfrey and historian Philosopher, also

19:22

a contributor at the Blade dot com, talking about what Nikki Haley can do

19:26

for Donald Trump right now, if anything, and what about the Hailey voters

19:30

if there are that many out there, where will they go come November Mare

19:34

Coming up right here on the Roderketcho Mike Lee will join us after a news

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update on Talk Radio one oh five nine, can Ars let me Out,

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Bells Day, a dirt Road begin play Long in the Long the rod our

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Cat Show on Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS. We have Welcome back

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to the rod Our Cat Show. By the way, you the monitors that

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we have here in the studio, we have several news channels up. I was just watching Bred Bayer on Special Report and their camera switched to a picture

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of the beach in Florida right now, Pensacola, Florida, Sunshine water,

20:32

the beach. It looks so darn good it's coming. I know, I

20:36

know, but we can dream right all right, uh Utah Center. Mike

20:40

Lee is joining us on our newsmaker line right now. It's always great to

20:42

talk with the Center. A lot to talk to Mike about today. But

20:45

Mike, I want to ask you, first of all, I saw this

20:48

tweet or x whatever you call it anymore that you put out yesterday talking about

20:53

possibly considering getting red of the TSA. That's the organization that makes sure worse

21:00

cure when we get on an airplane in this country today. Mike, thanks

21:03

for joining us again. Why the TSA? Why did you tweet out?

21:07

You know, your questions about the TSA and what is your big concern?

21:15

I raised the question in response to a complaints from a friend like unto literally

21:22

dozens, if not hundreds of complaints I've gotten from friends and constituents over the

21:27

years somebody had just gotten groped while going through TSA. I get these complaints

21:36

constantly, and it occurred to me as it has at times in the past.

21:41

You know, this is a federal agency. That federal agency. As

21:45

a federal agency, isn't really subject to real competition in theory, and airport

21:51

can choose to opt out of TSA, as San Francisco International Airport does,

21:56

but the Department of Homeland Security makes it very difficult to opt out. So

22:00

in effect, they're operating without meaningful competition, and that in turn leads to

22:07

thoughts about the Fourth Amendment. You've got government agents subjecting you to a non

22:14

consensual search, not backed by reasonable suspicion, and we don't need it.

22:21

There there are entities, the same entities that own the airplane, have the

22:26

greatest incentive, the best natural concern for the well being of the aircraft and

22:33

its occupants and its crew. Why not have them do it? Keep the

22:37

government out of it, and each airline can offer up its own services to

22:45

keep its airplanes safe. That gets the Fourth Amendment question out of the way.

22:48

Because the Fourth Amendment applies to governments and not to people or businesses.

22:55

And it also, I believe would result in innovation of the sort that you

23:00

don't see from government, and it would end on long lines of the airport

23:03

hopefully. Mike. Would you get all tired of as well? Mike?

23:06

Do you think the public would go along with this idea? Are they open to a discussion like this? Mike? Do you think only those who have

23:14

ever been through TSA? And I think most Americans have, And you know,

23:18

almost every American has their own horror story if they have been through TSA,

23:25

as most of us have, They've got their own horror story about either

23:30

themselves or family member, a wife or sister, a daughter who has gone

23:37

through these horrifically invasive screening measures, usually under circumstances that don't make any sense

23:45

at all. And so yes, I do think Americans are ready or some

23:48

type of change. Instinctively, they know something is wrong. You know something's

23:52

wrong anytime government officials are allowed you to subject you to a warrantless, suspicionless

24:02

search and seizure. Like I want to change topics. Let's talk about TikTok

24:07

right now, because I know there's a lot of discussion in Washington about doing

24:10

something about TikTok. There is a bill in the House that would force the site away from Beijing's control. What are your thoughts on TikTok and what can

24:17

we do about it if we need to do anything. Look, obviously we

24:22

need to take threats posed by our adversaries very seriously. And it's clear that

24:26

the Chinese government does what it can and exercises what leverage it has to try

24:33

to gather intelligence on US citizens through various means, including possibly through social media

24:41

platforms. So the issue of Chinese surveillance is real, that threats posed by

24:48

the Chinese Communist Party to the United States are real. We've got to make

24:52

sure that we have all the information, that we weigh all the options.

24:56

It's not clear to me that this bill would solve the problem, nor is

25:00

it clear to me that it's appropriate to pass it bill banning one and only

25:04

one social media operation in the United States, especially when, according to some

25:11

now this is disputed. I hear different accounts from different people depending on who

25:15

I'm talking to. It will claim that TikTok as it operates in the United

25:22

States is no different than and in some respects is better than the US based

25:29

social media companies in terms of accessibility to personal information, despying information that could

25:37

itself be obtained by the Chinese Communist Party, that TikTok has actually taken more

25:42

precautions that the other socials have it. There is some dispute on that,

25:47

and I'm still tracking down the details to figure out whether to what extent that's

25:52

true. I'm told that there is a classified briefing that members of the House

25:55

representatives are getting today. I'm going to look forward to getting that in the Senate whenever it arrives on our son of the Capitol, Mike. Wouldn't it

26:00

be a nightmare to try and control this or do something about this? I

26:03

mean, people are going to find ways around it to get access to tech

26:07

talk, won't they. Well, yes, I am virtually certain that they

26:11

will. And that's one of the problems that I've got with it. It

26:15

would be rather ironic in a land like ours, where we're very appropriately judgmental

26:23

of China, that China severely limits people's access to different social media platforms,

26:30

different websites, sources of news and information. If we then went around and

26:37

started doing the exact same thing that they did, and as it is in

26:41

China, it would also be the case here that people would figure out ways

26:45

to get around it. This is an enormously popular social media platform. It's

26:49

not one that I personally use because of the security and privacy concerns that people

26:55

have mentioned. US Senator has been strongly encouraged not to use it. Nonetheless,

27:00

it's something that's really important to a lot of people, including a lot

27:03

of people in Utah. Speaking of security, a number of intelligence officials appeared

27:08

before a Senate committee yesterday talking about threats to the United States. Very concerned

27:12

about it. I think the FBI director very concerned about what's happening on the

27:15

border. Mike. Yet we now have the president who's out there saying,

27:19

you know, the idea of using executive action to control the border, you

27:22

know, it may not work. I think we'll just, you know,

27:26

let Congress or somebody else take care of this. I mean, Joe Biden

27:29

has basically abandoned the idea of doing anything on the border right now. Would

27:33

you agree, Mike, Yes, I would agree that he has, and

27:37

I would also agree it was absolutely insane what we saw just the other day

27:45

when he gave a stint of the Union address. So many things about that

27:48

address were insane, but one of the oddest things that occurred during them was

27:52

he he referred to illegal immigrants during that speech, and that day or two

27:56

later he did interviews apologizing for calling the legal immigrants, saying that I should

28:00

have referred to them as undocumented individuals. I number one, I'm not really

28:07

sure what the difference is. It's a technical distinction at best, but it's

28:12

also one that sort of dismisses the illegality of what's going on and the illegality

28:17

of the international criminal cartels that Joe Biden himself, through his own defiant non

28:23

refusal of our immigration laws and of our border, he's been reaching those cartels

28:30

to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year. Meanwhile, we've

28:33

got ten million people illegally coming into the United States since he became president,

28:40

as many have estimated, and enough sentinel has come through every year that it's

28:44

killed one hundred thousand people or so each year. And potentially there's enough that's

28:48

been brought in that, if administered to enough people in the right dose,

28:52

could kill every American. This is serious business and he's not taking it serious,

28:56

you tell sender. Mike Lee joining us on our news when in the

29:00

five o'clock hour, I want to talk to you about this idea that Mike

29:03

kicked around as we began our conversation about the TSA. Would you feel safe

29:07

flying if there wasn't a TSA around today? Would you, you know,

29:14

would you feel comfortable if the airlines took over security or private interests took over

29:18

security. They don't accept it in San Francisco. I didn't know that.

29:21

I've been in San Francisco in a long long time. Most other airports have

29:23

the TSA. But what about the idea of abolishing it and allowing the private

29:29

sector, the airlines or a private company to come forth and take care of

29:33

airline security? And if we didn't have it, would you still feel safe

29:37

to fly today? We'll get into that with you coming up right here on

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one oh five nine k and rs. All right, another interesting story.

31:00

I remember I think it was back in January. It is that we told

31:06

you about. The only in and out Burger location in Oakland announced it was

31:10

closing permanently. Been there for about eighteen years, but a recent spike in

31:15

robberies and concerns over the safety of workers led the decision to close right then

31:21

a few days later, a Denny's in Oakland also cited safety concerns when it

31:26

announced it would be closing two down. Now another one, Taco Bell,

31:32

seems to be taking a slightly different approach. Instead of closing stores, it's

31:37

closing its dining rooms. The restaurants are still serving food, but only to

31:41

people who order in the drive through line. Why well, they no longer

31:45

can dine inside because they are concerned about security and safety. So that is

31:52

what's going on in the progressive cities around the country. Sooner or later,

31:55

someone's going to say to these crazy city leaders, the prosecutors, the city

32:00

councils, do you realize what you're doing to our communities? So they shut

32:05

down an in and out burger at Denny's, Taco Bell is going to drive

32:07

through only. Robberies grew thirty eight percent in Oakland last year. Burglaries increased

32:14

twenty three percent. Motor vehicle theft jump forty four percent in Oakland last year.

32:21

Roughly one in every thirty Oakland resident has had a car stolen last year,

32:25

according to some analysis done by the San Francisco Chronicles. So you Democratic

32:30

Party leaders, you soft on crime prosecutors, just keep it up. And

32:35

that's apparently what they're doing in Oakland and in cities like San Francisco, even

32:38

in Washington, DC. Keep up with your very liberal policies and watch your

32:44

cities die on the vine. And I think that's what we're starting to see

32:46

all around the country. It is catching up to them, all right.

32:51

Coming up our number five, we're talking about Mike leeds suggestion to possibly consider

32:57

getting rid of the TSA. Would you feel safe to fly if we didn't

33:00

have it. We'll get your calls to your comments coming up right here on

33:04

the Rod Arquet Show. All right, welcome back to the Rod Arcuit Show

33:31

on this Tuesday. Let's stick go waking outside. Clouds coming in. Looks

33:37

like we're going to get some rain and snow and strong winds in the next

33:39

couple of days. Great to be with you, all right. I want

33:45

to take some time this hour. We were speaking with Mike Lee in the last hour, and Mike yesterday tweeted out a thought he wanted to start a

33:52

discussion, and his discussion is all about the TSA and security at the airport.

34:00

And Mike tweet basically said, do we do we need the TSA anymore?

34:05

Is it time to abolish the TSA and either not have it at all

34:10

or turn it over to private industry. Maybe let the airlines handle safety on

34:16

our air on our airplanes. You know, I've always thought about that.

34:22

First of all, the idea of the government running this thing I've never been

34:29

happy with, you know. I I think there shouldn't be a problem in

34:32

turning it over to the private sector and let a let a private company.

34:38

Maybe it's the airlines who get together and say we're going to make sure that

34:43

our planes are safe. Uh. And you know, by the way,

34:49

last year we took a trip to Israel. I think you all are aware

34:52

of that, and as we were coming back, we had to catch a

34:57

connecting flight as we came through ja K, which by the way, may

35:00

be the world's worst airport, but coming through JFK and we missed our connection.

35:06

The people were with had it because they had that pre check TSA thing,

35:12

which we didn't have at the time. We have since spent a whole

35:15

lot of money. It's only like seventy eight dollars for five years to do

35:19

the PreCheck, so we can get through the line a little bit faster now.

35:22

We just flew last week down to southern California. I didn't see a

35:24

real difference if we wont my honor's opinion, but apparently it made us feel

35:29

good. And I don't think we had to take off our shoes, which I think is a just downright ridiculous idea. But I'm not involved in security,

35:36

I'm not in law enforcement, so maybe there's a reason that we continued

35:38

to do this. Wasn't that the guy or was it he had the explosive

35:43

material stuffed in a sneaker on a flight in Detroit many many years ago,

35:47

and that's the reason why we take our shoes off. Something like that.

35:51

But Mike's idea is this. He says, you know, every time you

35:54

go through TSA, TSA is violating the Fourth Amendment doing an illegal search and

36:00

seizure. They will pat you down, they will grope you. In some

36:07

cases. People see it differently. In our recent trip that we just took.

36:12

I noticed when I opened up my luggage there's that little pamphlet in there

36:15

saying, oh, by the way, the TSA just went through all your luggage just to check and make sure you aren't doing anything illegal. You know,

36:22

you've seen one of those signs. I go, why did they do that? I mean, why do they have to do that to begin with?

36:27

But you know, and we've had airports now like the new one here,

36:31

it's all Lake International, Great Airport, even though apparently they have a

36:35

leak somewhere. You know, they are designed to have that intense security system

36:42

that we now have, so you can't go anywhere unless you go through that

36:45

security. You know, you know, remember the old days. I remember

36:49

the old days where you could go right to the gate, you know,

36:52

no security, go right to the gate, say goodbye to people, welcome

36:54

people getting off planes. You know, that would be kind of fun.

36:58

But we cannot do that any more. You have to have a ticket, you have to have a boarding pass to get through all of that. But

37:04

Mike's idea is, he says, look, he's constantly hearing from people,

37:07

and as a senator, you know you would expect this. People complain to

37:12

lawmakers all the time, and they get they get all kinds of complaints.

37:15

But Mike says, you know, and he said in the interview that we

37:19

had with him just a short time ago, that this may be the one

37:22

issue that keeps on coming up when he interacts with voters here in the state

37:27

of Utah or people are all around the country, that you're going to be

37:32

checked by the TSA. And the question would be, you know, do

37:37

we in fact in your opinion? I want to open up the phones to

37:40

you right now eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight

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five seven o eight zero one zero or on your cell phone dial pound two

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fifteen. Just all you do is have to say hey, Rod and they'll

37:52

put you into the show. But your thoughts on the TSA and what are

37:58

we now? Was two thousand one or twenty three years a past, you

38:04

know, nine to eleven and it all started because of nine to eleven and

38:07

what these guys were able to get away from it get away with. And

38:10

my question would be, do you know, would you feel safe in flying?

38:16

And I know we've got a lot of free a lot of flyers out

38:19

here. I hear you know, they call into the show. Would you

38:23

feel safe in flye uh if there either wasn't a TSA at all, if

38:30

there was no security whatsoever at airports or a minimal amount at the airports,

38:36

not as invasive as you could argue the TSA is today. Or would you

38:42

feel comfortable if we turned the entire operation, we got the federal government out

38:46

of it, and we allowed a private company to handle You know, these

38:53

companies would bid and they would have to show a performance review to be able

39:00

to win a contract to handle airport. Now. I didn't realize this Mike brought this up. I didn't realize that airports can opt out of this and

39:10

not have TSA. Apparently they do this in San Francisco. I like I

39:15

said earlier, I have not been to San Francisco for a long long time and I haven't flown into there forever. So I'm not sure what it's like

39:22

in San Francisco at the international airport there. But what is that experience like?

39:25

Who handles their security there? And are you comfortable the way it works?

39:31

So my question to you tonight several angles that we could take on this

39:36

tonight, is we break this all down. But the TSA, you know,

39:39

you'll get reports every year from the TSA. I think we had one

39:44

recently from the Salt Lake International Airports about the number of weapons that were seized

39:51

during a TSA pre check. You know, they've tried to make things maybe

39:55

a little bit easier for four p with the TSA PreCheck thing, which I

40:02

now have. I don't know really a bunch of a difference, but apparently

40:05

it's supposed to speed things up. But I want to get your take.

40:08

Would you feel safe in flying today without the TSA, because let's be honest,

40:15

probably ninety nine point nine percent of us all complain about the TSA.

40:22

Yeah, I have go through those body scans, and you know, in some cases take off your shoes, you know, you gotta you know,

40:29

used to be almost had to undress. That's not the case so much anymore.

40:34

But what about getting you know, what about those those different thoughts on

40:37

the TSA. Mike says, maybe it's time to have a discussion. I

40:40

think it is doesn't hurt to have discussions all the time about this. Eight

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eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o eight

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zero one zero, or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say

40:51

Hey, rod let's go to the phones tonight and we begin with Jeff I Reverenson tonight here on the rod Or Catch Show. Jeff, how are you?

40:57

Thanks for joining us tonight, Hey, thanks for having me. Just

41:01

wanted to I hate big government, big brother, I hate people looking over

41:07

my shoulder. The one exception I might have is the TSA because we just

41:12

let three million illegal immigrants and we know that there's terraces among them that they

41:16

haven't stopped. And how easy would it be for them to take another plane

41:21

and slam it into a building. So let's have a discussion and maybe we

41:24

can tailor back. But that's the one part I kind of think we might

41:29

still need some security of because that can cause a lot of damage real quick.

41:32

Yeah, And let me ask you this though, Jeff, how much

41:35

of an imposition it is on you when you fly to have to go through

41:37

TSA. Have you just grown accustomed to it now and it doesn't bother you

41:42

that much? Uh? No? I hate it? All right? All

41:47

right, I see what you're saying. Jeff. All right, thank you

41:51

appreciate your phone call. Let's go to Jack, who's in South Jordan tonight

41:53

here on the rod Ar Ketcho, Jack, how are you thanks for joining

41:57

us tonight? Hello Jack? Yeah, go ahead, Jack? Hey hey

42:05

there, Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, I totally would be all for getting rid of TSA. It's just let the government save some money.

42:12

It really doesn't do anything extra that the rest of the world does, the

42:15

President has been said worldwide outside of the US, where they have very efficient

42:20

security services screening passengers, and at the end of the day, law enforcement

42:24

is still present overtly and covertly in an airport anyway, So I don't really

42:30

see a big difference. I could care less about them. So your third

42:36

party contracting company again could do the same. Yeah, but you would feel

42:39

safe if TSA or any security wasn't around. Would you feel safe if there

42:44

was no security? Yeah? Sure, why not? I mean I've flown

42:47

all over around the world. You have to What does TSA do differently than

42:52

the rest of the world. Not much, if anything. Granted, maybe

42:55

the only accession would be that they would have databases that they're ready to the

43:01

liaise or connect to other law enforcement databases to get extra information about passengers.

43:07

But aside from that, a lot of your flights, at least international fights,

43:13

you're going to get information on the passengers anyway through law enforcement. So

43:16

I don't really understand what they would be what PSA could do beyond a third

43:22

party contacting company. Now, now I'm with you. I'm not opposed to

43:25

turning the over to the private sector, and let's see what they could do

43:29

with it. All right, Let's get in one more call before we break, and we'll get to the other calls as well. Let's go to Terry,

43:34

who's in Salt Lake City tonight on the rod Ark Kent Show. Terry

43:36

the fate of the TSA yeay or nay? Well, rod that's a tough

43:42

question. First of all, I would say I would not feel safe flying

43:45

without some type of security measure in place. Okay, Now I'm not a

43:50

constitutional I'm not a constitutional expert, but my guess is with flying is not

43:54

a ride, it's a privilege. And I think by us flying, we

43:59

agree to those types of you know, searches just to be able to fly.

44:04

But what I would like is more consistency from airport to airport where you

44:07

fly. It's like some people make you do this, and other people make you do that. And then maybe get some TSA agents who smile and treat

44:13

you as a human, see would be would be all great for me. But I'm not a posed I'm not. I'm not opposed to looking at it.

44:21

But all it takes is somebody decide I'm gonna take some people down with

44:25

me, and the imposition is on our families who have to clean up the

44:29

mess we leave behind. Yeah. Have you had a bad experience with TSA

44:32

at any time? Terry? Have you ever had a bad experience with many?

44:37

Oh many times? Just just recently a couple weeks ago, we're flying

44:40

and this little old lady was trying to help her husband who could hardly walk,

44:44

and they were doing some dogs sniffing procedures and she tried to grab them

44:47

and they yelled at her, and I was I was so angry at these

44:52

people for treating her like so poorly. But yes, I've been treated poorly

44:55

with scowls and just as if I'm an imposition for me there, and I

45:00

don't appreciate that. Yeah, I wouldn't either, All right, Terry, thank you? All right, more of your phone calls coming up here on

45:05

the rodar Kenchew. We're talking about the TSA like lee throughout the idea today

45:09

of possibly doing away with the TSA. Maybe it's time we have a discussion

45:13

about that. I'm not sure how much money the federal government spends each and

45:16

every year on airport security. I can imagine it's a lot of money.

45:21

But would you feel safe if it was turned over to a private contractor or

45:24

if we didn't have it at all? Eight eight eight five seven eight zero

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45:58

Cat Show there if you want to catch up on what we've been talking about.

46:01

Some breaking news for you tonight. Joe Biden is now the predumptive,

46:05

not presumptive predumptive now that fits too. Presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party holding

46:12

today indicates there are what three or four states holding primary elections today and Joe

46:16

Biden has now secured enough delegates to become the Democratic nominee to be president of

46:22

the United States. We'll see how the summer goes. Donald Trump could also

46:25

wrap things up tonight. We'll keep our eye on that when that comes across

46:29

as well. If you're just joining us on your way home tonight, lines are open to you at eighty eight eight five seven eight zero one zero,

46:35

triple eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone dial

46:37

pound two fifty and say hey Rod. In our discussion at the at four

46:42

point thirty, we were talking with Mike Lee. Mike yesterday, Utah Senator

46:45

Republican Senator xed out or tweeted out. I don't know what you call it

46:50

anymore. This thought about is it time to consider abolishing the TSA. And

46:55

he says he gets complaints all the time from people who are complaining about being

47:00

groped or you know, the TSA violating their Fourth Amendment, you know,

47:05

subject to illegal searches. And he says, maybe it's time we take a

47:08

look at things now. There are some people who agreed with him, others

47:12

who didn't. I want to hear what you have to say. Height eight

47:15

eight five seven eight zero one zero again on your cell phone dial pound two

47:19

fifteen. Say hey, Rod, do the phones we go, Let's go

47:21

back and let's hear from Renee. Who's in Draper tonight on the Rod or

47:24

catcho Renee? Thanks for holding. What are your thoughts on this? Hi?

47:30

Rod? Hey, I don't travel that much. I don't buy any

47:32

airplanes, but I think that the government in anything is a lot less effective

47:38

than the airlines could hire, you know, something way more efficient and safe

47:45

for us. But what I thought was so funny is that when you mentioned

47:50

the shoe bomber, you know you had to take your shoes offul you know,

47:52

if I remember correctly, there was an under rear bomber too. Oh,

47:58

don't bring that up, Renee. I ain't taking my underwear off.

48:01

Yeah, I'm not taking my underwear off. I know, I think,

48:07

yeah, I know, that's kind of funny. But you know, I think the government out of as much as possible, especially now they're overtaking everything.

48:14

I think if we can try to minimize or get rid of them completely,

48:17

we would be a lot better off. All right, Renne, thank

48:21

you? Letska, I ain't taking my underwear off. Let's go to ed In Lehi tonight you're on the right or catch ed? How are you?

48:27

Thanks for joining us. I'm doing good, Rod, how are you?

48:30

I'm great? Thank you your thoughts on this, Ed, Well, I

48:35

think they could they could update the TSA a little bit. I don't mind

48:38

the security check so much, but I think they ought to updated some I

48:45

just traveled to California a few weeks ago. I pulled out my passport uses

48:50

my d My passport expired a month a month ago, and I had to

48:54

I had to dig out my driver's license so that I had proof that it

48:59

was me with of course I had to have the gold star on it,

49:02

uh huh. And then I had to take my shoes off, I had

49:05

to take my belt off. I went to security thing. My knees set

49:12

off the middle to check the thing because I have fake knees. Uh you

49:15

know it's And the question I have is is the undocumented people that the country

49:22

seems to be flying all around, how are they getting past TSA without a

49:27

driver's license or a passport? S Ballad, Well, I can tell you

49:30

what's going on with them, Ed. They're putting They're being put on a

49:34

flight by Joe Biden and Joe Biden's got a special plane for him. They

49:37

don't have to go through security. He just puts them on a plane and sends sends them to some airport here in the United States. They don't go

49:43

through security checks. That's how they're getting on. I think I think they

49:46

could do away with with you know, your shoes. There was a guy

49:51

behind me in the line. He had sandals on right and you see his

49:54

coast. He had to take the shoes off and put them in the car.

49:58

You know, it was kind of it was kind of overcool. Yeah,

50:01

it's a little ridiculous at times. All right, Dad, let's go

50:04

to Sarah, who's at Ogden the night listening to the rod Arkacho. Hi,

50:07

Sarah, how are you? I'm well, thank you. I think

50:13

that anytime you get the government involved in any type of corporation, that you're

50:19

going to get overhead and blows. It's unnecessary. I think that if you

50:22

are leaving that up to the airlines, and I think if you're empowering the

50:28

American people, you're going to be ending up a lot better off every single

50:32

time. Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you. The less government we have,

50:36

I think our lives will be a whole lot easier, Sarah, one

50:39

more call. Let's go to Ryan and Harriman right now before we break.

50:43

See what Ryan has to say. Hi Ryan, how are you welcome to

50:45

the rod Arquacho. Hey Rob Banks for having me just a click story.

50:52

My wife and I traveled from Salt Lake to Phoenix and then back from Phoenix

50:57

to Salt Lake last week. She'd been working on an art project and had

51:02

accidentally put a box cutter. Well, she put a box cutter in her

51:07

purse so she have it available, and we traveled to Phoenix and back.

51:14

Her purse went through scanning and all of that stuff and was never detected.

51:19

Really, So we had a conversation. Yeah, we had a conversation about

51:23

how much of this stuff really doesn't get detected or people really aren't being vigilant.

51:30

And so my thought is, you know, maybe it's time to modernize

51:35

the security process where rather than worrying about scanning everything, making us take our

51:40

belts off and and put everything in a tray, just using face recognition several

51:49

times during the check in process to make sure that you know the person checking

51:53

on the plane is who they say they are, don't they don't they have

51:57

face recognition now at the Sally International Airport. I thought when I went through

52:00

the other day they did do they. I know they have it in Europe

52:04

because when we traveled in Europe last year they had face recognition in Rome and

52:07

it seemed to work just fine. They do. It helps you get through

52:13

the check in process faster. You voluntarily sign up for it. It's called

52:15

clear yeah yeah, and it's it's actually contracted out to an external company.

52:22

There we go. So it's like that's where it makes sense. Get rid

52:27

of the get rid of the government and contract things like that out. All

52:31

right, Ryan, thank you appreciate your call. All Right, you got

52:34

a lot of people who want to weigh in on this. Wre'll take a break at a news update for you, and then more your phone calls about

52:38

the TSA. Mike Lee says, maybe it's time to abolish You agree or

52:43

disagree, We're your calls coming up right here on the rod ar Cat Show,

52:53

The rod Arcut Show on Talk Radio one five nine kN rs. It

53:02

is the rod Arketcher with you. It is Tuesday, all righty, what

53:06

is day? Twelfth day of March. We're halfway through March already. Point

53:09

time is flying. Great to be with you tonight if you're joining us now.

53:14

We're just talking about this idea that Utah Center Mike Lee is kicking around

53:21

today, and the idea is to uh, let's take a look at the

53:24

TSA. Do we need it for airport security anymore? Would it be better

53:30

to turn it over to either the airlines or the private sector? I guess

53:34

that's one and the same. Or do we continue with it or do we

53:37

do weigh with completely? Are we to the point that you would feel comfortable

53:40

flying today without a security check? I'm not sure if I'm there yet,

53:45

but I'm willing to think about it and have a discussion with you about it

53:47

tonight eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven

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o eight zero one zero or on now on your cell phone, all you

53:54

do is have to dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rob back to

53:58

the phones we go. Let's talk with great. Who's in Salt Lake City tonight? Greg? How are you welcome to the rod Ar cat Show?

54:05

Thanks? Rod. It just makes me mad to turn us into the CCP

54:08

surveillance state. I had to go to California, have about a month to

54:13

go for a funeral, and then when you check in, the usually lead

54:16

your driver's license match with a ticket to make sure matter. Yeah, yeah,

54:20

well now they're scant. Now they're scanning your driver's license and they're taking

54:25

your pictures. So now they have facial recognition, but I don't know how

54:29

many hundred thousands of tough travelers. Now, well, that's true, that's

54:34

true, and they and uh, it's kind of uncomfortable, isn't it.

54:37

Greg. I'm not a big fan of it. No, I define,

54:43

but they don't. They don't need facial recognition on me. Now, all right, Greg, thank you. Let's go to Jason, who's in Lehigh

54:49

tonight on the rod or Ketcho. Hi, Jason, how are you good?

54:53

Are you tonight? I'm doing well. Thank you. Your thoughts on

54:55

this, Jason? Yeah, I think the thing is it kind of reminds

55:00

me of is you know. Benjamin Franklin said that those who would trade,

55:05

I'm going to paraphrase, trade security for freedom will end up with neither.

55:09

And we need some level of safety and some level of security. And if

55:13

I owned an airline, I'd want to screen people, but I think it is better in a private sector. Do we need to screen people flying from

55:20

New York to California the same way we screened someone flying from Montana down to

55:23

the Las Vegas, for example. There would be market solutions and it wouldn't

55:28

be a one size fits all. The airlines would probably be more creative with

55:30

it, and you'd have different levels of security depending on the flight. I

55:34

think it would just be a better choice and then we would get the government

55:37

out of it and the airlines the free market kid decide what's best. Well,

55:40

you know, I'm with you on that, Jason. My only problem

55:44

is that it's expensive to fly now. If they had to take over,

55:47

security would have become even more expensive. It definitely would be today. Everyone

55:53

who doesn't fly pays taxes that pay for that, so they'd probably come up

55:57

with some type of a solution. The governm would have to chip in. At the end of the day. We're all going to pay one way or

56:01

another, that's for sure, all right, Jason, thank you, thanks

56:04

for calling in. Let's go to Utah County and hear what Ira has to

56:07

say tonight here on the road or cantcho Hi, Ira, how are you hey? Good? I love your show. That's great, Thank you.

56:15

I'll quickly cast my vote for private security. But I have a couple of

56:20

funny stories. I was running late for a flight and my baggage had I

56:25

can't remember what was wrong with it. It was on the lock, and

56:28

I knew I had to unlock it or put it on the plane on lock. So I go into my shop and I grab a big screwdriver and I

56:36

break the walk off. I had to be airport. I'm running late.

56:38

I'm like breaking a sweat running down the concourse and and but I went through

56:45

security, and I got up to the up to the gate, and I'm

56:51

finally like, you know, put my suitcase down and put my hands in my pocket, and my coat has a hole in the pocket. And the

56:58

screwdriver the whole time was in my coat, and somehow I got through security.

57:02

But then they started setting up security at the gate, so I kind

57:06

of got nervous there, but I did get through it. I was just

57:09

like, what do I do with a screwdriver? You know? But story

57:14

it's a little bit worse. It's not an airport, it's an air force

57:16

base. I went to the Hill Air Force Base show and I had handicapped

57:23

parking and I couldn't walk in a distance, so I got permission to get

57:28

onto the base, but it was a pretty big, you know, regular

57:30

role. I get too, and I get parked, and you go into

57:34

the back and I get my camera putting out, and I'm looking and there's

57:36

my walk in the back of my car, and I'm going, oh my

57:40

god, the rules there, Oh yeah, yeah, And I don't think

57:45

I have any rights when I'm on an Air Force base civilian race. No,

57:51

no, I got a funny story by China, but I'll save it for another time. All right, Thank you, appreciate your thoughts. Appreciate

57:55

you listening to the show. Let's go to Roy and hear from Dane tonight

57:59

here on the road Archehow Dane, how are you? From the projected?

58:02

Go ahead, Dana, Thank you. I've just been hearing a lot as

58:07

I've been listening, several people have mentioned, almost as though they weren't necessarily

58:14

against keeping the TSA, but time to modernize or update or somehow improve on

58:21

the TSA. And my issue with that really is that whe does it take

58:29

for government to improve on any system they've got going. It takes an Act

58:34

of Congress. Generally it's ten years late, and by the time they do

58:37

it, they've got to modernize again, I think. I mean, my

58:40

personal feeling is that if you need to modernized, that probably already would have

58:45

been done along the way with the privatized system. I wonder what they would

58:52

I wonder what they would change, Dane, I mean, could they speak.

58:55

I wish somehow they could speed up the process. Maybe there's a way

59:00

to do it. I'm not sure if there's a way to do it, but maybe that would be their number one goal is that we will get you

59:05

through security. It would be thorough security, and we will guarantee it will

59:10

take less than this time. I mean, if they could do something like

59:13

that, I'd be very interested in hearing how they would do it. Absolutely,

59:17

any any privatized system, that's their whole goal is that, you know,

59:22

we're better than the next guy because we can go faster and after Yeah,

59:27

I mean, there's in any government setup, there's always fodder and fluff

59:35

and excess things that don't need to be done, that are being done because

59:39

they were told they were supposed to do them. There's no you know,

59:44

it's a little bit like a union. Whether you can't have an input that

59:47

gets up the chain and actually makes any change. It just keeps rolling and

59:52

rolling along, and it takes an act of God basically to change it.

59:55

That's true, that's true. All right, Dane, thank you. All

59:58

right, more of your calls coming up here on the right, Kenchil.

1:00:00

We're talking about the TSA. I know we've got some people who want to weigh in, listeners who want to share their opinion. We ask you to

1:00:06

stay on the line and we'll take a news update and get caught up on a few things, and then we'll get back to your phone calls right here

1:00:10

on the rod Ar kenchol And Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. Well,

1:00:22

there's some no information coming out tonight. As a matter of fact,

1:00:27

you came out late Friday. I believe on the information that the committee investigating

1:00:30

what happened on January sixth left out a whole lot of critical information. It

1:00:37

is startling what they ignored to tell the American people about what they found and

1:00:42

what their investigation discovered. We'll talk about that coming up at six oh five

1:00:46

after our news update at the top of the hour. If you're just do

1:00:49

any this now, we're taking your phone calls tonight on this idea that Mike

1:00:52

Lee shared with us earlier in the show today about the TSA possibly getting rid

1:00:57

of it or turning it over privatization, and what about flying today? Would

1:01:01

you still feel comfortable flying if there wasn't a TSA or if it was all

1:01:07

handled by a private security firm that did things a little bit differently, maybe

1:01:10

a little bit quicker eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,

1:01:15

or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod, back

1:01:17

to the phones we go last week with Brett in Riverton designed here on the

1:01:21

rod Ar kitchen. Hi Brett, how are you? Hey? Good Rod?

1:01:23

How are you? I'm doing well. You have some thoughts on this?

1:01:28

Yeah, I do. And as a matter of fact, just to

1:01:30

let you know, I have about twenty years with the major airline and work directly with security at the time, both prior prior to nine to eleven and

1:01:37

a after. And a couple of points is that security cannot be in the

1:01:40

hands of the airline because it will always go to the lowest bidder because they're

1:01:45

trying to make the profit. Yeah, ye, privatize. Privatizing it I

1:01:49

think is a great idea getting out of the government. However, there should

1:01:52

probably be under the airport or something like that, and not the airline.

1:01:55

They've always had a vested interest in it. But security actually is far better

1:02:02

than it used to be. Is it more efficient, I don't know,

1:02:06

but it is far better. Public confidence is absolutely critical for the airline.

1:02:09

If people aren't confident they'll get there, they're not going to fly. The

1:02:14

impact on the economy is huge. But so anyway, those are my thoughts.

1:02:21

What bre let me ask you this, what if you turned it over to the local police department in which the airport is located yet or a local

1:02:28

county sheriff and let them handle the security. I don't see that as a

1:02:35

problem as a matter of fact, when it was in the hands of the

1:02:38

airline prior to nine to eleven, because that's how it used to be.

1:02:43

The dominant the dominant airline at any airport was the one responsible for security.

1:02:47

If there were issues, it was always what they call the l e oh,

1:02:51

the local law enforcement that was called to handle it. So I don't

1:02:55

see that as as an issue. But I think whenever it's you know,

1:03:01

government, it's going to be less efficient. I don't know how you incentify

1:03:07

a private corporation to you know, do it better, do it more efficiently.

1:03:15

But I do know prior to nine to eleven it went to the lowest

1:03:17

bidder, And I could tell you stories that would probably scare you. Let

1:03:22

me ask you. Could the process be sped up a little bit? Is

1:03:28

there a way to make it quicker, because you know, it just seems

1:03:30

to really bog down sometimes, especially during the busy travel season. Is there

1:03:35

way to make the process faster? I think so. I think the technology

1:03:43

is out there to be less intrusive upon the individual, upon the passenger that

1:03:47

I don't think is being utilized. I think in some regard we kind of

1:03:52

see the you know, the the mall top sort of attitude of some of

1:03:55

the TSA, which I think is an issue. I think, you know,

1:04:01

I hate to use the word profiling, but I think it's pretty obvious

1:04:04

there are a lot of people who probably are not a threat, you know,

1:04:10

like for example, uh, I had a daughter that was or have

1:04:15

a daughter that was in a wheelchair. I mean, why subject herding extra,

1:04:19

you know? And like gentlemen said with the with the knee replacements,

1:04:23

I have a I have metal in my in my body, and every time

1:04:26

I go through I get I get beat and I'm like, I have a

1:04:29

metal in my leg while the guy is kind of getting a little personal.

1:04:32

You know. But uh I you know, I I I think it's probably

1:04:39

technology that's going to be the answer. Yeah, but I don't know the

1:04:45

solution because, uh, it's it's a unique situation. And uh, as

1:04:49

soon as people feel like they're not safe on a plane, it changes everything.

1:04:54

Yeah, I'm sure it does. All right, bro, thank you for your inside I appreciate that. You know, it's I was just thinking

1:04:59

about this. How tough of a job is it to be to be a

1:05:03

TSA worker. I mean, think about this for just a minute. And

1:05:08

you know, they're probably good ones and bad ones, just like in any

1:05:11

industry out there, they're good workers and bad workers. The mall Cup reference

1:05:15

I liked a lot. But you know, if you're a TSA worker knowing

1:05:18

you're going to work every day and you're going to tick somebody off, and

1:05:24

your job isn't necessarily to tick somebody off, but because of the measures that

1:05:29

you're required to follow and the security that you're asked to ensure that you're going

1:05:36

to go to work every day, and you know, at some point in

1:05:40

the day, you're going to make somebody mad at you. I don't know

1:05:45

if I could do that. Maybe there are people out there who can handle something like that, but it's got to be tough. And you know,

1:05:53

I love the point that Brett made a moment ago he was a security guy

1:05:57

with the airlines in saying that you know, if you leave it up to

1:06:00

the airlines, they will go with the lowest common denominator because it's all about

1:06:06

money with the airlines. And I think he makes a very very good point

1:06:11

on all of that. So turning it over to the airlines, maybe not

1:06:15

maybe letting local police handle it. Maybe that you know, you have a

1:06:17

new you have a new division within police departments. In in some airports they

1:06:24

are located within city limits. So here you would create a new department within

1:06:28

the Salt Lake City Police Department. They would handle it. You know,

1:06:31

in other areas they're like county airports, maybe the county sheriffs takes over and

1:06:36

does security there. Maybe that's a way to save money, a little bit

1:06:40

of money, because you know, if we have the airlines do it,

1:06:43

guess what the cost of a ticket is going to go up up, up,

1:06:45

and it's already becoming for some people prohibitively expensive to fly anymore. And

1:06:53

that's too bad. But that's the way way life is. But you know,

1:06:57

we'll see what happens. I thought was a real intriger interesting discussion that

1:07:01

Mike started today on this whole idea of flying today in America today in the

1:07:05

security that we deal with. All Right, new report coming out about what

1:07:11

the j sixth Committee did not tell the American voter. Startling information and we'll

1:07:16

get to it after a news update. Stay with us third hour. They

1:07:32

rode our Catcher with you on this Tuesday evening in Utah's talk radio kayn Rs.

1:07:39

Listen and you will no life everywhere. By the way, on the

1:07:42

iHeart Radio app. All right till to come this hour and the rod our

1:07:45

Ketcher, we're going to be talking about how job programmed were illegal? Did

1:07:53

they step forward amnesty in America today? Because you have sidneys all around the

1:07:59

country like Denver, Chicago, New York, LA who are offering illegal aliens

1:08:04

who are coming into this country illegally a chance for a job, and why

1:08:10

those jobs are impacting America and its cities and what it's doing to us today.

1:08:15

And it is step one in a long term plan by the Democratic Party

1:08:21

to grant amnesty to the eleven or now I would guess about twenty million illegal

1:08:27

aliens who are in this country today. We'll get into that a little bit

1:08:30

later on in the show. Barack Obama, remember hope and change. Remember

1:08:33

that famous poster of him hope and change. Well, that hope and change

1:08:39

has really been a failure and I still think it haunts the American people today.

1:08:43

We'll talk about that coming up at six forty five. But first of all, let's take some time and talk about what I think is the greatest

1:08:49

con job ever to happen in American politics. What is it? It is

1:08:55

the false January sixth insurrection narrative. The singular mission in all of this of

1:09:02

this narrative was to stop, and still exists today, to stop one Donald

1:09:09

J. Trump from ever setting foot in the Oval office again. Now,

1:09:17

one of the key components of the left propaganda about an insurrection was to distort

1:09:26

the truth, claiming that Donald Trump was behind all of it, and they

1:09:31

have proof, and the main architect. Think about this, The main architect

1:09:36

of all this misinformation was one Liz Chaining. Well, Now, all of

1:09:43

a sudden. There is a brand new report out taking a look at what

1:09:45

the Jade six Committee did not share with the American people, and it's pretty

1:09:51

startling. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that is Tristan Justice.

1:09:56

He is the Western correspondent for the Federalist. Tristan, thanks for joining

1:10:00

us tonight. You've taken a look at the report. What are some of the highlights of this report and the information that the Jay sixth Committee did not

1:10:06

tell the American people. Well, the Federals supported on Friday that the January

1:10:12

six went actually concealed a transcript interview of white House former White House to be

1:10:16

Chief of Staff under Donald Trump, Anthony Ornado, which contradicted just about everything

1:10:21

we were told by the January sixth Committee. Anthony Ornado told the committee six

1:10:27

months before. Cassidy Hudgson even testified that Donald Trump had actually moved to mobilize

1:10:31

ten thousand National Guard troops on January sixth, and before January sixth, but

1:10:36

of course they were they faced the rod box from the Department of Defense and

1:10:41

houseballmakers. So basically, Donald Trump did in fact tell people, you better

1:10:45

get the National Guard out here. But the Committee never released that information.

1:10:49

Am I am I reading that right? That's absolutely correct, and of course

1:10:54

it makes everything. It makes sense when you consider why the January six committe

1:10:59

woul depresses information because the contradicts just about every narrative to come out of the

1:11:02

committee, painting Donald Trump with some negligent commander in chief who was eager to

1:11:08

see violence erupted on January sixth, when in fact Donald Trump was pushing for

1:11:13

thousands of National Guard troops in the capital that day, but they face pushed

1:11:16

back from Housepeaker Nancy Pelosi, staff from Capitol Hill, and Action Defense Sectarry

1:11:21

christerpher Miller. Why the pushback? I mean, here you have the President

1:11:26

of the United States saying, you know there's going to be a crowd here,

1:11:30

you better get some National Guard here justin cage, and they pushed back.

1:11:33

Was there any explanation as to why they didn't accept the president's offer.

1:11:39

Well, Democrats were repeatedly concerned about quote optics around National Guard troops in the

1:11:43

Capitol that day. They had just sent the entire previous year and summer critical

1:11:48

of subtle troops in and around Washington, d C. Mayor murdered a Bowser

1:11:53

was actually posed two thousands of reinforcements in the Capital that day. She only

1:11:58

mobilized a few hundred and were assigned to rudimentary tasks and they were essentially traffic

1:12:02

cops who are unarmed and not to engage in any other early aspect of security

1:12:09

on January sixth, And of course there was clear intelligence that day and going

1:12:14

into that day that mass administrations could likely get out of hand. But DHS

1:12:18

and the FBI can feal that intelligence from Capital Police Chief Stephen Sun, who's

1:12:24

talked about this repeatedly now and talked about how deface through a box getting National

1:12:28

Guard troops capitled in the days before January six because House Speaker Nancy Ability staff

1:12:31

and everyone else working for we're concerned about optics of National Guard troops in the

1:12:39

Capital that day. Tristan, what about this bizarre story that Cassidy Hutchinson,

1:12:43

whoeverone called a star witness for the committee she worked for Mark Meadows in the

1:12:47

White House. The story about Donald Trump grabbing the steering wheel of the presidential

1:12:51

limo wanting to go back to the Capital. That is the most bizarre story.

1:12:57

And it turns out, guess what apparently is not true. Well,

1:13:01

well, you know, hoping for Cassie Hutchson to start talking about how Donald

1:13:05

Trump love the Gorilla Channel. No, I mean, the story was cyposterous

1:13:12

the moment that came out, and you know, a moments after she stepped

1:13:15

down from testifying, you had Anthony Ornado's representatives go on the record to Legacy

1:13:19

News organization saying that Ornado was prepared to go on the record under oath to

1:13:26

testify that nothing that she dead had ever happened, when in fact, to

1:13:29

January sixth Committee actually had that testimony six months before Hutcherson even testified that nothing

1:13:35

of the store ever happened in Ornado was also cooperated by four other White House

1:13:41

employees that the January sixth Committee interviewed. And so but of course the committee

1:13:45

has faled a ton of the information from House Republicans and now investigating the committee's

1:13:50

conduct. The challenge in getting this information out now to explain Tristan to the

1:13:59

American people that they got one side of the story and the other side of

1:14:01

the story is now coming out. My question would be will the public paying

1:14:05

attention to the other side of the story, which I think is extremely important

1:14:11

well, I would hope so. I mean, Jim Jordan made this point

1:14:14

on the news next moments before I went on air after him yesterday talking about

1:14:18

how the Democrats are going to use this have been using January sixth to campaign

1:14:24

in twenty twenty four, but in fact Democrats campaigned on the January sixth Committee

1:14:29

in January sixth, twenty twenty two. Remember, the January sixth contee held

1:14:32

their hearings perfectly time to coinside with the turing twenty two mctims. They held

1:14:36

their summer show trial Summer Show Trials hearings in prime time the summer of twenty

1:14:42

twenty two, and they held follow up hearings right before the election. And

1:14:45

so this has been an ongoing campaign team from the same team for the Democrats

1:14:48

to paint political dissidents as extreme as they possibly can. Wow, what does

1:14:56

this The integrity of this committee has already been called in good question. This

1:15:00

this does even more so about calling the integrity of this commission into question,

1:15:03

does it not, Tristan? Well, the committee was a Soviet style inquisition

1:15:10

from its inception. I mean, it was completely devoid of minority representation on

1:15:14

the committee. And we see why it was deployed of minority representation on the committee because there was a predetermined narrative that the committee was set out to fabricate.

1:15:23

And so of course we had we have these transcripts from Ornato that were

1:15:27

suppressed for years now that would have come to light had republicans on the committee,

1:15:32

genuine republicans on the committee actually been serving and to get that information out.

1:15:36

And so it was clear that this nine number panel violated all House ethic

1:15:42

rules or all House norms, and it is clearly a Soviet style inquisition.

1:15:46

We final question for you, Tristan, have we heard from Liz Chaney?

1:15:49

And if so, what is she saying? She keeps sitting out a couple

1:15:53

of tweets, but I think it's about time for Republicans to subpeen in her.

1:15:56

Well, you no longer remember of Congress, so she can't hide behind

1:15:59

that blanket of a meedity boy. I'm with you on that one, Tristan.

1:16:02

I mean it is time for Liz Chaney to come forward to be called

1:16:08

before a Congressional committee. I would love Jim Jordan to get after her.

1:16:12

She is no longer a member of Congress. She's a private citizen. Call

1:16:15

her before Congress and explain why she admitted or omed it. I should say

1:16:19

this critical information about the fact that Donald Trump did in fact encourage those in

1:16:27

Congress to call out the National Guard, maybe as many as ten thousand troops

1:16:31

that day to protect the Capitol from a crowd who was upset with the election

1:16:36

results. And this whole story from the key witness, this star witness that

1:16:42

the media paid so much attention to, claiming that Donald Trump tried to in

1:16:50

the limo, the presidential limo, tried to get after the driver and take

1:16:56

the steering wheel and get the car back to the Capitol is all fabrication.

1:17:00

She didn't know that for sure. And now we have the man who was

1:17:04

in the car at the time claiming that's a bunch of bullpucky. And that's

1:17:10

why Liz Chaney and members of that committee Adam Kissinger as well, should be

1:17:15

called before Congress and explain why they omitted this information. The American people,

1:17:20

in my opinion, certainly have a right to know. All right. When

1:17:24

we come back on the Rod ur Ken Show, we'll talk about how job

1:17:27

programmed for illegals, yes they are taking places in this country today, are

1:17:31

in fact the first step toward granted amnesty. That's all coming up right here

1:17:35

on the rod Ar Kent Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can

1:17:39

arrest. Listen and you'll know it is the rod Or Kenshaw with you on

1:17:57

this Tuesday right here on Utah's Talk. You don't want oh five nine k

1:18:00

n rs. Listen and you will no you realized that last week last Thursday

1:18:09

night, during the President's Shout at the Union address, it took him nearly

1:18:14

forty one minutes into that report to America to talk about the border and what's

1:18:20

going on on the border. And as my conversation with Mike Lee if you

1:18:24

missed it earlier, I mentioned to Mike the fact that here you had leaders

1:18:29

of our Intelligence committee appearing before a Senate committee yesterday and testifying about their concerns

1:18:33

about border security and the fact that they're real concerned about people who want to

1:18:39

do harm to this country and hurt Americans are getting through on the border.

1:18:43

And the President meantime, you know, there were rumors about a week before

1:18:46

the Shout at the Union address that he would impose some new executive actions to

1:18:53

titan border security. Well, he was quoted as saying yesterday, you know,

1:18:57

come to think of it, I don't think I'm going to do that.

1:19:00

We'll just let things go as they are right now. That's basically what

1:19:03

Joe Biden said yesterday. So what about the illegal immigration problem that we have

1:19:09

in this country today? Job programs and they're popping up all over the place

1:19:13

for illegal aliens could be creating more problems than solutions. Joining us on our

1:19:18

Newsmaker line to talk about that. As our next guest, it is Matt

1:19:21

O'Brien. He's the director of investigations with the Immigration We're for a Law Institute.

1:19:27

Matt, thanks for joining us today. I want to ask you, first of all, Matt, you know, as you read your report today

1:19:31

and you think about this, this idea of jobs programs for illegal aliens in

1:19:38

this country, is it the first step toward amnesty eventually? Sure? Well,

1:19:42

this is a clear attempt by the people who think that we should have

1:19:45

open borders, that who want an amnesty to put the framework in place for

1:19:49

that. And what they're gonna do is they're gonna set up job programs,

1:19:54

offer jobs to all these people, and then after they've been here for a

1:19:58

few years, they're going to claim that they've become part of the fabric of

1:20:00

the community, that it would be inappropriate to send them back, that it

1:20:03

would be cruel to have them leave the United States. But you have to

1:20:09

take a look at this from the perspective of every other kind of crime in

1:20:13

the world. Immigration is the only place where we consider it to be a

1:20:16

positive equity when people get away with breaking the law for a long time.

1:20:21

If I steal the Mona Lisa and hang it up above my fireplace and the

1:20:25

FBI catches up with me, I'm not going to be able to go into

1:20:28

the court and say, oh, I've grown very attached to this painting,

1:20:30

Judge, you should let me keep it. And yet that's what these types

1:20:34

of programs do, is they try and create connections within the community for people

1:20:40

who have bypassed the lawful immigration process. Man, what exactly are some mayors

1:20:45

and various cities around the country doing to stretch the laws to allow these illegal

1:20:48

aliens to work here? What are they doing? Well, basically, what

1:20:53

they're doing is they're ignoring the federal law because they don't like it. So

1:20:57

all of these programs are completely legal the federal government under the constitutional setup that

1:21:03

we have in the United States is responsible for securing the exterior border of the

1:21:08

country, which means they set the policies about who can work in the country

1:21:13

and who can't. And so this is a blatant attempt to some one's nose

1:21:18

at these federal laws because the people on the extreme anti borders left don't think

1:21:25

that any of the laws that we currently have should be in place. And

1:21:28

again, you have to take a look at this in different contexts. Can you see if Massachusetts suddenly declared itself exempt from the federal whaling laws or decided

1:21:36

to declare itself exempt from federal firearms laws, these very same people would have

1:21:41

a fit. But they seem to think that it's okay to completely ignore immigration

1:21:45

law anytime they feel like it. Why do I get a sense, Matt,

1:21:48

that the illegal aliens who are coming into this country know that if they

1:21:53

can just get into this country, there's a strong likelihood that they will find

1:21:57

a job. I mean, I've seen interviews with illegal aliens coming into the

1:22:00

country and they're asked, why are you hear and they say jobs, jobs,

1:22:03

jobs. Obviously they know that if they can get into the country,

1:22:08

there's a program out there that will give them a job. Is that fair

1:22:10

to say? Yeah, it is. And the reason they know this is

1:22:14

because it's been going on for decades. I mean, this started with the

1:22:16

amnesty in the Reagan era. The solution to a problem of people violating the

1:22:23

law is not to declare whatever they were doing suddenly lawful. The solution is

1:22:29

to enforce the laws that are on the books. But what people did was

1:22:31

when they saw the amnesty happen, they went, well, geez, there's

1:22:35

going to be another one. So if I can get to the US and

1:22:39

hang out until that amnesty takes place, then I'll be okay. And then

1:22:44

even without a formal amnesty being declared, there was a de facto amnesty because

1:22:47

we got lazy about enforcing our immigration laws and we didn't remove or punish people

1:22:53

who violated them in any way, basically from the eighty six amnesty until the

1:22:57

September eleventh attacks, and that's you know, it's set up a very bad

1:23:00

precedent for immigration. Now. One of the concerns, of course, that

1:23:04

a lot of people have, and I've heard this from my listeners. I've

1:23:08

talked about it on my show as well, on that is not only are

1:23:12

they in the country illegally, but they're putting a lot of pressure on the

1:23:15

education system, the welfare system. By getting jobs, does that pressure go

1:23:19

away or just does it just intensify even more? No, it intensifies.

1:23:24

And in fact, what happens is most of these folks will start sending a

1:23:29

significant portion of their income outside of the US economy. It's called remittance payments.

1:23:34

They send it back to the Old Country. And what a lot of

1:23:38

the people in the Old Country do is they save up this money and then

1:23:41

they come to the United States. So this is a chain of circumstances that

1:23:45

hit the American taxpayer in the teeth. Initially, it causes job competition.

1:23:50

Subsequently, it causes money to go out of the economy, and then finally

1:23:54

it causes more people that cause the first two problems to immigrate into the United

1:23:59

States. I hear from a lot of business people in this community here in

1:24:03

Utah and early around the country. You see, you know, help wanted

1:24:06

posters all over the place, and you hear from business people saying, we

1:24:10

just can't find enough people to work. Americans won't do these jobs. Are

1:24:14

these illegals taking jobs away from American workers man. Yeah, definitely. The

1:24:18

problem isn't that Americans don't want to do the jobs. The problem is that

1:24:21

emplawyers don't want to pay reasonable wages for the type of work that they want

1:24:27

done. And you know perfect example of this is agricultural labor in the United

1:24:30

States. You know, until the time of roughly the Korean War, agricultural

1:24:35

labor in the US was done by Americans. A lot of them happen to

1:24:39

be African American, but they were Americans. It's only when the farmers figured

1:24:45

out that they could make a cost savings they started importing workers from Mexico.

1:24:49

And if you look at the totality of the circumstances with that, not only

1:24:55

does but only puts those jobs in a position where they're never going to be

1:25:01

appealing to Americans, but it also delays innovation in agriculture, because why would

1:25:08

anyone invest in developing and marketing a mechanical picking machine when it's much cheaper to

1:25:14

simply hire somebody who either comes here on an agricultural worker bason or who's totally

1:25:19

illegal that you can pay under the table for about a third of which you'd

1:25:24

have to pay anyone else. That final question for you. Why do I

1:25:27

get a sense that this is an issue that can be fixed but won't be

1:25:30

fixed? Am I fair in that assessment? You are one hundred percent fare

1:25:34

That is, I was up testifying before Congress about this very issue a few

1:25:40

weeks ago. There's a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that's numbered eleven

1:25:45

eighty two F and basically what that says is whenever the President, the president

1:25:50

deems that it would not be in the interests of the American people to have

1:25:56

certain groups of migrants or all migrants in the US, can issue a proclamation

1:26:00

closing the border, and it's up to the president to determine how long that

1:26:04

lasts, what conditions are imposed, and when he or she chooses to do

1:26:11

this. So, this is something that could be eliminated by the Biden administration

1:26:14

with a smoke stroke of a pen. And for whatever reason, they simply

1:26:18

don't want to do this. They have a vested interest in trying to bring

1:26:23

these people into the United States, and it's all about MNEs. Matt,

1:26:27

thank you. Matt O'Brien, director of Investigations at the Immigration Reform Law Institute,

1:26:30

talking about jobs for illegal aliens in this country, creating more problems than

1:26:35

they solve. All right, More coming up on the roder Kenchow. We'll

1:26:38

talk about the influence of Barack Obama. Remember that famous poster of Hope and

1:26:42

Change, Well now it's still hunting the American political system. We'll talk about

1:26:46

that. And before we wrap up tonight, a great story about a boy

1:26:50

hits truck and the American flag. That's all coming up right here on the

1:26:55

rod Arqutschow, The rod Ar Catchow on Talk Radio one oh five nine kN

1:27:18

R S. Yeah, all right, welcome back, final half hour the

1:27:28

rod Or catch up with you here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine

1:27:31

K and R S live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Remember that once ubiquitous

1:27:38

Hope poster of Barack Obama. It was designed by a street artage artist.

1:27:43

The image of Obama gazing skyword, remember that and that highly contrasted shadows a

1:27:47

blue and red. You know what about hope and change? Is Obama's signature

1:27:53

failure, which was hope? Does it continue to haunt our politics today?

1:27:59

Joining us on our newsmiare line to talk about that is Peter Laughing. He's

1:28:01

a contributor to the Washington Examiner. Peter. Great to have you on the

1:28:05

show tonight. Peter, I have to admit, and I think of a

1:28:08

lot of Americans after Barack Obama was elected in two thousand and eight, beating

1:28:14

John McCain at the time, John McCain was a horrible candidate by the way,

1:28:17

you know, there was I had a moment of optimism, you know,

1:28:20

I was willing to give Barack Obama a chance. But boy did that

1:28:25

optimism disappear quickly. Did you go through the same feeling, Peter, Well,

1:28:29

I think that's the way most Americans felt at that time. I think

1:28:32

in my lifetime, certainly, that's the most goodwill goodwill I've ever seen afforded

1:28:38

a new president. Certainly President Trump wasn't afforded any goodwill upon his election.

1:28:44

And I will say also that you and Joe Biden just due to all the acrimony, there was sort of a lot of baked in hate for both of

1:28:51

those men when they began their administrations. But it wasn't like that for the

1:28:55

Obama presidency. And I'll admit to holding out hope and change a bit longer

1:29:02

than you. I voted for him, not only in two thousand and eight,

1:29:05

but in twenty twelve. And the reason I did that is because I

1:29:10

was sincerely hoping that he would be able to take that incredible goodwill, to

1:29:15

take what he was able to get in terms of the advantage with the media

1:29:20

and do something genuinely positive with it. But we know that didn't happen.

1:29:26

And why exactly did the tide turn against him so severely toward the end of

1:29:31

his second term. Why did his predecessor, Hillary Clinton not get elected.

1:29:38

I think there was so much building dissatisfaction, but everybody liked him so much

1:29:44

personally that nobody really wanted to admit it, and I'll admit to being among

1:29:47

them. Peter. There were people who conservative commentators and I recall during two

1:29:53

thousand and eight, who were warning people about this guy, saying, be

1:29:56

careful. You know, he may come across as a really nice guy with

1:29:59

a nice his fans, but he's got some very progressive ideas. Nobody really

1:30:03

dug into his past to find out who he really was, did they?

1:30:09

No? And I remember I can say that at the time, I was

1:30:13

very dismissive of any talk about who he was, who he went to college

1:30:16

with, who he was friends with, in the eighties. I thought that

1:30:19

was all pretty irrelevant. And I have to say that's one that I missed

1:30:24

a lot of this we could have seen coming had we dug a little more.

1:30:28

But I think it goes to the just tremendous amount of goodwill that Obama

1:30:32

had. Nobody was willing to dig into him. I remember comedians had to

1:30:39

encourage their audiences to laugh at the guy. There's that famous clip of John

1:30:43

Stewart. I think he was doing a segment on how Barack Obama had whipped

1:30:47

on campaign financier for him, and it was a great segment. So one

1:30:51

of Stuart's more hilarious moments during the Obama presidency, and the audience was just

1:30:58

silent, and he looked at the and said, you know, it's okay

1:31:00

to laugh at this guy. And so I think there was this aura that

1:31:04

he had that was sort of impenetrable, and it prevented people from looking into

1:31:09

his past. Was that or did that or exist simply because he was black?

1:31:13

Do you think, Peter, I mean, were people afraid to dig

1:31:15

into his past for fear they would be called racist. I think it's possible.

1:31:19

I think there was a great amount of aspiration was a great amount of

1:31:24

hope that we could have a black president who we looked up to, so

1:31:30

that it would signal to us that progress has been made, that racial progress

1:31:35

not only was something that we aspired to, but something that we were seeing

1:31:39

in real time. Now we know that the left won't admit any racial progress

1:31:44

ever, and that we are it's just as bad as always. A few

1:31:47

years ago, Joe Biden saying wants to put all Republicans want to put all

1:31:53

black people back in chains. I think that that was part of it.

1:31:57

I think we really wanted to just believe we'd gotten to a better place.

1:32:01

And because of that, that was another sort of impediment for the press,

1:32:06

for comedians, for the public generally to want to criticize the guy. Peter

1:32:13

you right as well in your article that Obama didn't simply fail to instill hope

1:32:16

in America. He oversaw and managed his precipitous downfall. Explain that a little

1:32:21

bit more if you would, well, you know, we think of a

1:32:27

precipitous downfall. You're starting from a very high place. The country was sincerely

1:32:32

hopeful about Barack Obama in two thousand and eight, was sincerely rooting for him,

1:32:38

and by the end of it, by the time we got around to

1:32:41

the twenty sixteen election, Americans had never hated each other more. Remember Obama's

1:32:46

famous two thousand and four keynote address from the Democratic Convention. There's no Red

1:32:53

states and blue states, There's the United States of America. By the end

1:32:57

of his second term, where he after eight years of exerting tremendous influence on

1:33:02

American society and culture, we had more acrimony, more division than at any

1:33:09

point since the Civil War. And so you have to say, Wow,

1:33:13

that is just an unbelievable failure. And it's true that many things that he

1:33:19

did fed into that increased division, and many things on the other side as

1:33:27

well. I always thought, you know, Donald Trump's birther stuff, you

1:33:32

know, also fed into this heat without without too much backing it up.

1:33:42

Yeah, yeah, Peter, let's talk about where we are today with Barack

1:33:45

Obama. I contend to times that the Biden administration, his administration right now,

1:33:49

is just an extension of Barack Obama was four years in the White House

1:33:53

because he or eight years in the White House, because he has so many

1:33:56

people who work for Obama working for Joe Biden. Now, how much am

1:34:00

influence does Barack Obama still exert on the Democratic Party today? Well, that

1:34:04

certainly seems to be the case that he is still the most powerful Democrat in

1:34:11

America, and that includes Joe Biden. But however, if you go back

1:34:14

to two thousand and eight, one of the great criticisms from the progressive left

1:34:18

of Barack Obama was that when he came in, when he steamrolled into election

1:34:24

in two thousand and eight, he brought with him mostly guys who've been there

1:34:30

forever in his cabinet. He didn't bring any fresh spaces. You know,

1:34:33

you have Larry Summers, Tim Geitner. These were you know, Wall Street

1:34:38

guys. These weren't progressive populist. He didn't bring a team with him that

1:34:45

was suited to his rhetoric. And so you wonder just how much not he's

1:34:53

still in control, but how much the exact same people who have always been

1:34:57

in control are still in control. So it's sort of this Obama himself,

1:35:02

I don't know, he's so hard to read personally. I don't know how

1:35:06

much he truly cares about the day to day in America, except to say

1:35:13

that he truly cares about the perception people have of him. Yeah, he's

1:35:16

more concerned about his perception than the rest of America. I think he's been

1:35:19

like that even before he became President of the United States. Peter, thanks

1:35:24

for joining us, Peter laughing. He as a contributor at Washington Examiner talking

1:35:28

about hope and change and how it is still haunting America today thanks to Barack

1:35:32

Obama. More coming up on the rod arra kenciw DOC Radio one oh five

1:35:36

nine Canaris, All right, welcome back to the rod Ar Kencio with you

1:35:48

on this Thursday evening, our third day, Tuesday. There we go.

1:35:54

It's Tuesday. Vote wing Man Wednesday. By the way, coming up tomorrow,

1:35:57

Greg will be joining me for three hours tomorrow afternoon. Is we solve

1:36:00

the world's problems? That's all it coming up tomorrow right here on talk Radio

1:36:05

one oh five nine K and RF. Now, before we leave you,

1:36:09

I've wanted to share this story with you throughout the day today. You haven't

1:36:12

had time to do it. Well, we've got a few minutes today.

1:36:15

I love it when young people stand up for what they believe, and it

1:36:17

happened to a kid in a rural high school in southeastern Indiana. He has

1:36:24

forced the school to apologize after a social media posed about them asking the student

1:36:30

to take down the US national flag from his truck last Thursday on the campus.

1:36:34

The story went viral and everybody went crazy. Here's a TV report on

1:36:39

what happened to the kid. Wherever seventeen year old Cameron Blaze it goes,

1:36:45

so does old Glory. The flag itself represents this country, this beautiful country

1:36:49

that we live in. He fastened the flag to his truck this summer.

1:36:53

It's very strongly secured in there. I mean, you can't pull that out

1:36:55

if you tried. It abides by the US Flag Code. I got pulled

1:36:58

aside by my counselor and principal and they told me, hey, you got

1:37:01

to the flag off the back of your truck. And I kind of looked

1:37:04

at him and I said no, I said, it's not going to happen.

1:37:06

I said, I can't. Cameron held the line. Read through East

1:37:10

Central twenty twenty three twenty twenty four handbook and the word flag wasn't even mentioned

1:37:15

in the Parking Lotter driving section. The only section it's mentioned in is a

1:37:18

flag twirling section. Woll the next day at school. Others showed up with

1:37:23

flags of their own. There was a huge support group there that believed and

1:37:26

stood for the same thing that I did, and I was kind of shocked

1:37:29

by that. That's when the principal sent a letter to parents Friday to quote

1:37:31

address recent concerns and confusions, writing, I am pleased to inform you that

1:37:35

we are allowing the display of the US flag by students in the parking lot.

1:37:40

Principal Black clarified to WCPO in an email that there has never been a

1:37:44

complaint about the US flag, one literally hangs above the parking lot, and

1:37:47

that school administrators decided Friday they would quote prohibit other flags if they were determined

1:37:53

to be offensive. A social media post about all this went viral. I

1:37:57

was pretty surprised by that it got so many views and pretty much did he

1:38:00

got the attention it did. There are veterans in this family, and Cameron

1:38:04

himself is considering serving. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of I mean, he

1:38:08

stood his ground and stood up for what he believed in. The American flag

1:38:12

has been politicized in recent years. One pole shows eighty three percent of Republicans

1:38:16

have a very positive view of the American flag. That number drops to forty

1:38:20

nine percent for Democrats. I think everybody gets offendive over something that doesn't mean

1:38:27

what everybody says it does. This flag represents our country and the people who

1:38:30

died for it and fought for it, and I respect that with my whole heart. Old glory sparking new debate. No should old glory spark a debate

1:38:38

to begin with in this country. For crying out loud, you know,

1:38:42

good for this kid for sanding up. I mean he read through the manual

1:38:45

at the school, didn't find any reference that he couldn't do this. Told

1:38:48

the principal, you know, take a hike, buddy, I'm gonna fly

1:38:51

the flag. The next day, all these pickup trucks show up at the

1:38:55

school parking lot with the American flag on them. I absolutely have it.

1:38:59

Speaking of the flag, when I was in southern California last week, the

1:39:02

La Times had a very interesting article on the community of Hunting and Beach,

1:39:08

California, one of the coastal cities. Really nice city. I have a

1:39:13

friend who grew up there, loved to surf there. He kind of misses

1:39:15

it, but he likes being in Utah because how crazy this has been,

1:39:18

but the story was about how hunting In Beach has kind of become the conservative

1:39:25

epicenter for the conservative movement there in California. And speaking of flags, the

1:39:30

hunting In Beach City Council has now voted to approve a ban on non government

1:39:39

flags flying at government buildings, including LGBTQ flags. So the city of hunting

1:39:46

And basically has said, you know, you know, if it is a

1:39:50

social media black Lives Matter, you know, MAGA Republican flag and a Pride

1:39:59

flag can't fly in the building. They took a stand and said, ain't

1:40:01

gonna happen here. A lot of people upset. And also in Huntingdon Beach,

1:40:08

the city there has now passed a ballot measure implementing a voter ID requirement

1:40:15

for all local elections. That's a brand new one as well all local elections.

1:40:19

And one other note, I have seen this movie yet, I may

1:40:23

try and go see it. Cabrini, the film based and the true story

1:40:26

of a Catholic missionary, earned seven point five million dollars at the box office

1:40:30

this past weekend, could earn even more. It's a true story and amazing

1:40:34

story put together by Angel studios, but Cabrini opening up with seven point five

1:40:40

million dollars. I think it's on local theaters here. I'll have to check

1:40:43

it out. Maybe something you want to check out this weekend as well.

1:40:46

All right, that doesn't for us tonight. As we say each and every

1:40:49

night, head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family

1:40:54

and that great country of ours. Thanks for joining us today. Greg Hughes

1:40:57

joined me tomorrow for Wingman Way. Today we'll talk to you for