0:00

I feel like at this point of

0:02

the season, like, doesn't matter

0:04

how you win, you just gotta win.

0:06

No one really remembers how ugly the

0:08

game was. They just remember that either you won or you lost.

0:16

What's up, everybody?

0:40

And welcome to another episode of

0:42

the Roommates of Playmaker original, where

0:44

the vibes and my introductions are

0:46

always immaculate. Today we have the

0:48

NBA Hall of Famer, seven-time all-star,

0:50

two-time champion with the Knicks, jerseys,

0:54

hanging in the rafters. Y'all

0:56

hear him observing and preserving on

0:59

a nightly basis on the broadcast.

1:01

The legend, Walt Clyfrazier, we appreciate

1:03

you coming on to the

1:05

podcast. My pleasure, man. On behalf of the

1:08

former players, I'd like to

1:10

say thanks for what you guys are doing for us.

1:12

We're very proud of you, your success, and

1:15

obviously good luck in the playoffs. Thank

1:18

you, thank you. I appreciate it. Def,

1:21

Clyde, I have one question for you. So we

1:23

were talking offset before they came, and you said

1:25

that there were some similarities between

1:27

this team and your championship team in

1:29

the 70s. What are some of those similarities?

1:31

Well, starting with the coach, very

1:34

defensive-oriented, like Red Holzman, no nonsense

1:36

holding you accountable for what you

1:38

do. The camaraderie of

1:40

the players, the unselfishness, the way the

1:43

ball moves around, helping out on offense,

1:45

on defense. And

1:47

you know, they seem to like each other, so very

1:50

similar. Yeah. To an

1:52

extent, yeah, we like each other. I

1:55

got a question, since you guys always, no,

1:57

next to the court, do you guys ever hear Tibbs holding

1:59

us accountable? Yeah, we hear

2:02

him yelling. I just

2:04

wanted to make sure because it's always

2:06

hard. I know some people on the TV, they

2:09

can't hear it, but he

2:11

definitely holds us accountable. They do a good

2:13

job cutting it out on the broadcast. Yeah, they

2:16

got to. It's like every game. Every... You

2:18

can hear on the broadcast. You can hear it?

2:20

Yeah, you can definitely hear on the broadcast.

2:23

Remember, we used to be adjacent to

2:25

you guys when they moved us back

2:27

to the other side. We

2:30

hear tears all the time, man. A

2:32

gruff voice, yelling, screaming. But

2:35

he stands in front of us. So

2:37

the whole game, we're

2:40

watching him. When you're

2:42

doing the game, are you watching the monitor

2:44

or are you watching the court? I

2:46

watched the monitor the whole time. Really? Yeah.

2:51

It's just easier to take everything in or what?

2:53

Yeah, you can... The

2:56

TV is showing you everything. I

2:58

don't know. I

3:01

think I'll be trying to go

3:04

back and forth. I

3:06

probably wouldn't be good doing it. Do you feel like

3:08

you guys could focus? If you had

3:10

to go in the booth and call a game right now. No.

3:14

No. No. That's

3:17

a difficult time. Is it a

3:19

tough transition for you? Going

3:21

from being a player? Yeah, it's like learning to

3:23

talk all over again. You

3:26

got to have the teamwork with the other guy.

3:28

But TV is easy because it's like we're just

3:30

sitting talking. But I started on radio. So

3:33

radio, they're nuances. The play-by-play guy does

3:36

all the talking. Oh, yeah. So you

3:38

only talk if there's a foul or

3:40

a turnover. And that's how

3:42

I started rhyming. The guy I used

3:44

to work with never let me say anything. I'd

3:47

be talking and he'd go, Excuse me, Walt. Just

3:50

talk right over me. So if you guys

3:52

were doing something, moving the ball, I

3:55

knew he had to catch his breath. I'd go, The

3:57

addition is swishing. They're pounding in the sky. That

4:00

was all I could get in, man. So

4:03

that's how the rhyme started. I

4:05

never really thought about that. Radio, obviously, people can't see

4:08

what's going on, so you have to tell them everything

4:10

that happens. Or the TV, it's more like it's

4:12

entertaining. Yeah, it's like we're talking now. It's easy.

4:16

Yeah, I couldn't do radio. I'm

4:18

not mature enough to do that yet. No. Not

4:20

mature enough. Would you guys ever want to transition into that

4:22

when you're done playing? I

4:24

thought about it. I mean, you don't

4:28

know. I for sure would think

4:30

about it. He's not doing

4:32

it. I don't think so. I

4:35

think once I'm done hooping,

4:37

unless my kids want to play, bro, I

4:39

don't think I'm doing anything basketball related. Bro,

4:42

this is a start, man. Yeah, I

4:44

can do this. I'm going

4:46

to do a podcast, keep the podcast going. I can

4:48

like, you know. Yeah, but you

4:51

might get the bug from this. Like

4:53

with me, I used to be quiet

4:55

and shy. So when

4:57

I got into broadcasting, I go, man, I like

4:59

this. I've got to get over my shyness. But

5:04

dinner was talking into the mic. And usually

5:06

come down at halftime, they started playing out

5:08

loud music. They got to project

5:10

your voice over the music. People

5:12

yelling, Clyde, give me an autographed Clyde. It

5:15

was like total chaos, man. So

5:18

this guy, Marty Glickman, used

5:20

to critique me after every game. And

5:23

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Mike. Earlier this week and I'll ever

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considering the injuries when we

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that and so were you guys. picked

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it up air been elevated their game

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in this would you have to do.

7:32

So like to see you guys have

7:34

enough enough to do. Overs is

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always the next them in town that we have.

7:38

V O is a. Try

7:40

and find a way. It's this. Is.

7:43

Vital for like every. I'm

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every team be always go through adversity.

7:47

A mean. Nausea. About

7:49

were what this is com that will

7:52

plant. Philippe has no. Injuries.

7:55

Throughout. The whole see the way to well and

7:57

now. but. No. For when you were

7:59

playing. You know, it's like your championship years

8:01

like what was like some like the biggest

8:03

like ever situation Do you

8:06

guys face you my most famous

8:08

game game seven? Mm-hmm? Willis

8:10

Reed went down. He was injured. Mm-hmm So

8:12

we didn't know if he would play or

8:14

not and when he came on the court,

8:16

he gave us so much motivation You

8:19

know and I had the 36 forms 19 assists 7 rebounds 4 steals

8:25

so hot dogs that have Search

8:28

that line. Yeah, so that was

8:31

Catapulted us to our first championship, but

8:34

you know, you guys still don't know the

8:36

the advantage of the Garden crowd You've felt

8:38

it a little bit. You've never seen them

8:40

blow the roof off that place Like

8:43

it's coming now. Really? That's crazy then

8:45

because we've had we've had some some

8:47

game They've been bumping so that's not

8:50

If that's not blowing the roof off You

8:53

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8:55

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What's been like the what's what's

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9:02

either playing or or broadcasting

9:05

career Lynn sanity we had It

9:08

was crazy They had

9:10

him for two two months when he ran

9:12

a muck, you know doing what he was

9:14

doing Never

9:17

experienced that says Bill Bradley came to the

9:19

team We signed

9:21

Bill Bradley When

9:24

the Knicks first started to sell out they

9:26

never been selling we used to have double-header

9:28

you guys You should

9:30

play two games like the Celtics and his

9:32

Pistons would play and then the Knicks would

9:34

play So the Garden

9:37

always had double headers to try to draw the

9:39

crowd college

9:41

basketball dominated then Mm-hmm,

9:44

same John I own all the different

9:47

colleges They were they used to draw

9:49

sell-out crowds all the time But the

9:51

pro game was struggling until

9:53

we started winning in the 70s and it

9:55

started to get become popular The

10:00

I Know that are. What?

10:02

Are your thoughts on a plan? Because I was we're

10:04

watching last night were like get a league. They knew

10:06

they were up to something. they knew their daughters. Do

10:09

you feel like it's been a net positive? It's been

10:11

like a really exciting oh yeah, because you can listen,

10:13

wrestle your laurels fair to come out and compete. So

10:17

some pride so I like

10:19

what they've done. Their. Thing.

10:24

Going to the hate the plane. Ah, the wonders and

10:26

the plan. Goes. Is

10:28

more games. But. As I watch

10:30

in the plane. It's.

10:34

Now know like that. And if I

10:36

if made the whole. New

10:39

last month. That a season like.

10:41

Some. Was more competitive. Can

10:43

see the time and not in, I didn't

10:45

turn out to be in a plane into

10:48

trying to get in the plan to try

10:50

to get home corridor plan. The

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Relate to them. This. A Cargo game.

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The last week I've gained a we played

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11:04

I'll think I'll either gone in a lot of

11:06

times in a team's gonna have played or guys

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a little bit and then this rest them. And.

11:12

They were like now what I would like we're the plane

11:14

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13:18

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13:20

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13:23

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13:25

it. To. Like. The.

13:28

Game becomes wow they yell on Kia

13:30

the hear your take a lousy you

13:32

know. That. The physicality

13:34

that you played in, you know what

13:36

was. Was. Different by like.

13:39

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everyone's slaving could like they weren't gonna

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the raza gonna start kind of prepping

14:00

some of these games, we don't have to like, you

14:02

know, take, you

14:04

know, two, three quarters and get adjusted to it. Do

14:07

you typically notice like a shift

14:09

in the way games are called when it goes from the

14:11

regular season to playoffs, or is it just depend year to

14:13

year? Have

14:16

you ever been in too many playoffs? Oh, oh.

14:20

Historically, they

14:22

let you play. Yeah, yeah, it's

14:24

a lot more physical in the

14:26

playoffs. It's definitely, I would say it's definitely more

14:28

physical, but like it's, there's

14:31

really no like transition period to

14:33

it. It's just like, all right, this

14:36

is how it's going to be. And then we got to set the tone from the

14:38

beginning. I

14:41

don't know, I'm curious, because I felt like this

14:43

year, like post All-Star, it was actually,

14:45

yeah, I'll take that. It was totally different.

14:49

Yeah, like, we were like, you were

14:51

able to be more

14:53

physical. They weren't calling as many like

14:55

touch fouls or, you know, stuff like

14:57

that, you know, post All-Star. And Clyde,

14:59

I'm curious to see your take on

15:02

it, because obviously, you know, you're watching

15:04

all these games and you're seeing

15:06

it, like, did you, do you feel like there's

15:08

any change in the

15:11

refereeing, like from the beginning of the year to

15:13

now, and then obviously playoffs come up?

15:15

Yeah, definitely, they let you guys play a little more.

15:17

Another part of the season. Yeah,

15:20

I guess they want more flow with the game, not

15:23

stopping it all the time with fouls. So

15:26

the playoffs are going to be that way. You've done

15:28

a tempo, whatever your reputation

15:30

is, you know, that's what you get right

15:32

with. If you were a physical guy, they'd

15:34

let you pound a little more. So

15:38

I used to like that. But my game wasn't

15:40

physical. I was more finesse the

15:42

way I played the game, but I just liked the, well,

15:45

we used to say no blood, no foul,

15:47

you know? It doesn't sound bad

15:50

at once, man. So

15:52

I used to tell the guys, man, when we play

15:55

in the playoffs, when they open the locker room, we'd

15:57

be waiting on them outside. the

16:00

door waiting on him, man. It's going to be

16:02

48 minutes. But my thing,

16:04

okay, check this out. When we were in the

16:06

playoffs, I got to go against maybe Earl the

16:08

Pearl, Oscar Roberts,

16:11

Jared West, Jojo

16:13

White, Hondo Havlicek. So I got to

16:15

go out all these, Dave Bing, all

16:17

these kinds of guys, man, to try

16:19

to hold them to their average. So

16:21

that was my philosophy. If they average

16:24

in 25, I can't

16:26

let them get 35 or 40. I got

16:28

to try to do that. So

16:31

then I got to try

16:33

to get my 24 and six rebounds, six

16:35

assists, man. It was hell getting into the

16:37

playoffs. And I always said in

16:39

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16:41

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16:43

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it, I mean, night and day in terms of, was

18:15

it noticeably more physical when you played

18:17

versus what the game was like now? You can

18:19

hand check. Hand check, man. Who were the most

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physical players that you played against? Everybody

18:24

did it, I mean, that was standard. Yeah, that's

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the way you guarded people with the hand check,

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yeah. Was it the type of thing that when

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18:37

then the play off is worse, especially when you're on the

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18:41

you're on the road, man. Yeah,

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18:50

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you're like, if there was, like, damn,

18:55

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was one that you would thought? Earl

19:00

the Peril was my nemesis. Cause

19:03

this guy was like a globe trotter, you know. He

19:06

had all this fancy style, man. You didn't want him

19:08

to score and you, you know.

19:10

And then when they played in Baltimore, hey

19:12

man, all they played was rock music, you know.

19:16

Temptations, when Earl

19:18

got the ball, the whole arena standing

19:20

up yelling, Earl, Earl, you know. And

19:23

they want him to shoot 30, 35 times a game. So,

19:27

you know, I know I'm up against that.

19:29

Like I'm saying, I can't let my ego

19:31

get involved. You know, I

19:33

just gotta tell myself, hey man, when the game's on

19:35

the line, I'm gonna stop this guy. I'm gonna stop

19:37

him. And you know, that's

19:39

where it comes out. Like,

19:41

same thing guys have to do with you. They

19:45

know you're coming. They just can't, you

19:47

know, Josh probably

19:49

doesn't believe us but I played 12 years.

19:51

I never had a technical foul called him.

19:53

Yeah, I don't believe that one, boy. Oh,

19:57

crazy concept, bro. I can't get through one. I can't

19:59

get through one. one month without a time. So

20:03

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20:05

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20:23

go hey man that's all you can do.

20:25

Yeah as long as I can look in the

20:28

mirror and say hey man I gave a hundred,

20:30

110 percent of the guy just I couldn't stop

20:32

him. I know you don't you

20:34

don't fully get that part but

20:37

you know you're a bucket

20:39

getter we need you. We need

20:42

to get a bucket. Anyway anyway let's

20:44

go back to what he just said 12 years no tech.

20:48

12 years no tech. Wow

20:52

that is well part

20:54

of it was growing up my coaches never

20:56

allowed me you know allowed

20:58

us to talk to the ref. Yeah

21:01

so I wasn't ever in the habit of contesting

21:04

calls or whatever. You

21:06

need to coach me then because I need to I need to stop.

21:09

I'm a great inbreath I can't I can't do that no

21:11

more. Nah there's no

21:13

stopping you. I

21:15

go I go in thinking like I'm

21:17

like I'm not gonna say nothing

21:20

and then they be

21:23

like one call I feel like they miss then it's a

21:25

wrap and then I'm and

21:28

then I'm like I'm like full

21:30

go so I don't

21:33

know maybe maybe next year I'm I feel

21:36

like I didn't have I feel like I probably had not

21:38

too many techs this year. It's

21:40

probably one of my best years

21:42

really. No technical foul wise fortunately

21:44

that's all public information can be

21:46

googled. Nah bro you had some

21:52

actually I can't even say half the stuff that

21:54

you said to get techs. What? No

21:57

you can't you can't do that. Are you looking it up? Why

22:00

can't you just go up to the ref seat? I used to

22:02

look at him I used to put

22:04

my hands on my hip and just look at me

22:06

stupid But I

22:08

don't say anything, you know Josh,

22:10

but no some like even now some of

22:13

them began Like there'd

22:15

been some that I was just like stare at This

22:18

on this side now you got the reputation don't

22:20

see they know I Just

22:24

stare at him and like they just waiting

22:27

You can't just there anymore cuz don't ever see Wallace stare

22:29

at the rest of that though No, you can't you can't

22:31

stare can't stare crazy. I'm not trying to do it When

22:35

it comes to craftsmanship, there's no brand

22:37

that doesn't better than sinola I know

22:39

there's a design brand committed to creating

22:41

lasting products from watches to leather goods

22:43

and even a hotel over the last

22:45

10 years Sinola has built

22:47

and crafted over 1.2 million watches in Detroit That's

22:52

a dedication it takes for building things that

22:54

last There are a lot of people who are driven

22:56

by a deep passion when it comes

22:58

to their craft that includes like watchmakers and hoopers

23:01

Passions really everything to them So

23:04

that client who are some of the most

23:06

passionate players you've encountered? someone

23:09

from my era and Anyone

23:11

whether you played with you watch

23:13

you? Well, I was unfortunate

23:16

enough to go up against Jerry West Big

23:19

old Pete Maravish tiny

23:22

Arch of all Earl the pearl So

23:25

Dave being all these guys are Hall of

23:27

Famers But a lot of passion for the

23:29

game and I mentioned the big guys

23:31

will Chamberlain Bill Russell So

23:34

they also had a tremendous impact on me as

23:36

well That's fire.

23:39

What about would you say you have a passion

23:41

for you? I Mean what

23:43

else could drive you to get 14 text in a

23:45

season other than just pure raw passion? Yeah,

23:49

I think I have a deep love for

23:51

the game. I think I have

23:53

a a deeper

23:56

passion for competitiveness And

23:59

I went I agree. Yeah, I

24:01

think that I love the

24:03

game of basketball. I think the

24:06

for me, like that ability

24:08

to compete against the

24:11

best field that they're craft at the highest level. That's

24:16

what that, you know, that's

24:18

what I get up for. What's

24:20

your secret to bounding you to mister

24:22

rebounder? What is the key to it?

24:27

It's funny because obviously, like you grow up

24:29

thinking like, I box

24:32

out this, that, and other. Like

24:34

I don't box out. I just like, I look at

24:36

the ball. You know, when I see guys shoot, I try

24:39

to track and think where it's going to, you know, where

24:41

it's going to go. And I just

24:43

go, you know, go pursue it. I think that's the

24:45

biggest thing for me. Because

24:48

like, like if how you're taught,

24:50

you know, someone shoots the ball, you turn, you

24:52

box out your man. Like, it's not

24:54

realistic. At some point you lose contact with the

24:56

ball and you have no idea where it's going

24:58

to go. For me, I just look

25:00

at the ball and I'm just like, I'm going

25:02

to beat whoever to this spot. So

25:05

I think that's just, you know, my

25:09

key to rebounding. I don't do like the whole ball. If you're

25:11

going to do all that, my thing, I'm going to out pursue

25:13

you, you know, to where the ball is

25:15

going to be. And I think it's going to be, you

25:18

know, it's going to land here. So

25:20

that's like my biggest thing. Jessica's mad

25:22

at me when I steal his rebounds. Nick,

25:26

then you get the ball and then you walk up

25:28

the court like, hi. Like no,

25:30

bro. We got to go. I

25:32

get the rebound. I'm near him. Speaking

25:34

of going, are you guys going to try to run

25:36

and beat? What do you

25:38

think you guys are going to try to do against the

25:41

six-section? Yeah, I mean, I think

25:44

that's one way where we,

25:46

you know, we were very successful at this

25:48

year in playing and transition. And I

25:50

feel like it's sometimes

25:54

our way to get like the easiest shots, you

25:56

know. No, we don't got, you know, Janel is

25:59

not bringing the ball. up guys picking

26:01

them up, you know, 94 feet harassing

26:03

them. You don't

26:05

have to worry about the physicality and doing, you know,

26:07

trying to get open and do those kinds of things.

26:09

You're just running, trying to,

26:11

you know, fill the lane and space

26:14

the court. So I think that's something that we're definitely going to

26:17

do. When

26:19

Jalen gives the ball, hopefully he either

26:21

sprints up or passes to someone who's

26:23

more athletic or faster and allowed

26:25

them to get out and transition. But

26:27

for sure, I think that's something that we're definitely

26:29

going to, you know, try to

26:32

do and make a point

26:34

of emphasis. One

26:36

last question on passion. Who do you guys

26:38

think the top three most passionate fan bases

26:41

in the league are? Knicks

26:44

Lakers. Passionate

26:47

fan bases? Boston, maybe. Knicks

26:50

Lakers, Boston. One

26:53

thing about, I would say this, obviously I

26:56

saw it when Derek was the

26:59

MVP and all that stuff and there was one

27:01

seed. Chicago's an

27:04

awesome fan base. Awesome

27:06

fan base. Philly? Philly isn't

27:08

that? Philly's a relentless fan

27:11

base. They're

27:13

definitely passionate. They

27:17

were booing in the first quarter. They

27:19

went down 11 to start booing. They'll

27:23

boo and then as soon as you turn up,

27:25

they're like, we're good now. Do

27:29

we miss any? They don't care. Did

27:31

we miss any? Did we miss any? Philly,

27:34

Boston, Chicago, obviously all the

27:36

big cities. I think Portland

27:38

is up there, bro. Really?

27:42

Yeah. Because

27:45

there's, like for example, you were saying when Chicago was

27:48

good and like, Chicago now

27:51

was struggling? No, no. Even when Chicago

27:54

was like struggling, quote unquote, obviously not where

27:56

they were, like the

27:58

fans are still, they sell out. all the

28:01

time. Yeah. Their attendance is always

28:03

there. Like it's not really like, oh,

28:06

they're not that good. We're not going to go

28:08

to games. So you obviously, you can see that

28:10

sometimes there's things not going to games. Yeah. Chicago

28:12

always, always, always. Tell me

28:14

something guys. Ironically, you guys play better

28:17

on the road than

28:19

you do at home, according to

28:21

analytics. So

28:24

how do you explain that? You're the team that

28:26

guys are better at home on the road. Personally,

28:30

I've been like that since high school. All

28:32

my best games individually have been on the road.

28:34

Like I've always

28:36

been on the road. I don't know why.

28:39

I think it's a combination of like on

28:42

the road. I don't even want to

28:44

say is like, it's not even

28:46

like distractions, but like on

28:48

the road, you know, you just have to, you

28:51

have to be better. Like you have to, you know,

28:53

take it a step up, you know, just cause it's,

28:56

you know, it's really just you, the guys in

28:58

the locker room. You're going into an environment where

29:01

no one cares for you. Yeah.

29:03

So I think that's part of it. And

29:05

then, you know, playing

29:07

at MSG is great. But

29:11

the downside of playing at MSG is everyone

29:13

wants to play at MSG. Everybody wants to

29:15

play. Like dudes sit out. So,

29:17

you know, games before to play it,

29:19

you know, to play at MSG, you

29:22

know, guys go for,

29:26

you know, they have outer body experiences and they

29:28

go for like 30 and 40

29:30

in MSG. Like it's just, you

29:33

know, that's the downside of, you know, being a

29:35

Nick playing at MSG. You're going to get everyone's

29:37

best shot and

29:39

people rest and they,

29:42

you know, they

29:44

make sure when they, when they step into MSG, like

29:46

that you get their best shot. Yeah.

29:48

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her. Out. Of this

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30:36

as fave. So

30:39

we we are get the side

30:41

talk question of the day. House

30:50

me me a little more much of Allah

30:52

and he cites or what is it a

30:54

day. When you

30:56

guys got a little money flow and a

30:58

while. When

31:01

you put so much money on the a matches

31:03

your noses in the ceiling. Is

31:07

a Thursday view way and purchase.

31:12

Any second question is do you

31:14

still go back to old neighborhood?

31:20

Know you go back for.

31:25

Every. Morning, it's. Tell

31:27

The Truth. Nobody. Nobody

31:31

gets hurt and T V.

31:36

Is a lot here. Guy. A

31:38

guy. You go first. Or

31:43

there's money to the ceiling. know of any

31:45

see her as worthless. It was that when

31:47

you when you made some when you major

31:49

money was the first thing that you bought

31:51

them for. See what? Well.

31:55

you know molly passes and close i

31:57

don't smoke i don't gamble loans riga

31:59

devoted man. So the only

32:01

thing I ever bought was clothes and my

32:04

whole thing for being an

32:06

athlete was my mom. And

32:08

you know, obviously when I got money I bought

32:10

her a house. So that was that was the

32:12

thing that I did. Just quick question on the

32:15

clothes. How many suits do you have? Do you

32:17

know? Hundreds. You

32:20

know, I used to do endorsements and different things,

32:22

but the thing is I haven't gained

32:24

weight since I played. I mean,

32:26

I used to weigh 205 when

32:28

I played. Now I'm like 190. So

32:32

all of my suits that I had in the

32:34

past, I just have them tapered. You know, the

32:36

fabrics are still in style. So that's how I

32:39

accumulated so many suits. What's

32:42

your favorite? Do you have a favorite? Yeah, the

32:44

cow. There's a cow suit that I wear that

32:46

the fans like. It looks like

32:49

a cow. What about you, Bravest? Sorry, what

32:54

was the first thing you bought? That

32:56

wasn't the first. I

32:59

think the first thing I bought was a car. First

33:02

thing I bought was a car. Right?

33:09

Yeah, I was, yeah, almost

33:11

positive it was a car. Do you want it? What kind of

33:13

car? It was a Range Rover. First thing I

33:15

bought was a Range Rover. Nice. What about you? I

33:20

think it was a watch. Three cars. You

33:22

bought three cars? You

33:26

have more cars than me. That's a

33:28

lie. Now? There's

33:31

a lie. How many cars do you have? Two. How

33:34

many cars do you have? I

33:36

have two. My wife has a car, but

33:41

I have two cars. I have two cars then. No,

33:44

because, never mind.

33:46

Yeah, I think I bought

33:48

a watch. I bought a Rolex. That's

33:51

my first thing I bought. And then do you guys

33:53

go back? What was the next question? Do you go

33:55

back to your hometown and do you floss? I

33:59

mean, I go back. I don't I

34:01

don't floss Yeah

34:03

floss I don't floss yeah Honestly,

34:07

I don't go back to my time more

34:10

Wow you changed no, I

34:12

don't change I'll just life,

34:14

bro You

34:16

guys feel impression man going back to Philly

34:18

to play where you play college ball People

34:22

you know a little more attention You

34:25

know now you can't more beer

34:27

more comfort honestly. Yeah more

34:30

comfort I mean you

34:32

know Got

34:34

no you know so many people there Some

34:37

of my favorite food spots are in Philly one

34:39

of my favorite barbers in Philly It's

34:43

kind of like Like a

34:45

second home kind of thing. So it's

34:48

more it's not precious more like comfort like I

34:50

like I've I Played on

34:52

the how many games here like I'm I'm cool

34:56

I You want we put

34:58

a whole season in there. Yeah, I'll play a whole

35:00

season because We're

35:03

gonna be done we had all our home games

35:05

there my last year at Wells

35:07

Fargo so no pressure at all

35:09

really it's just It's

35:12

weird mm-hmm. Yeah, I hate going

35:14

home when I have to go home to

35:16

play I ain't playing in DC Yeah,

35:19

it's fresh because you got to get

35:21

tickets mm-hmm. I got to see two

35:23

grandmothers You

35:30

staying tonight trying to get dinner for

35:32

everybody and all that I

35:41

like to go a place where nobody know me I can just

35:43

disappear No tickets

35:47

Alright so courtesy of our wonderful

35:49

producer cam we have a new

35:51

a new segment called fatty ice

35:54

The working title the working title it's

35:56

a pun on my nickname, but we're gonna talk about some

35:58

stats some fun stats

36:00

to recap an exciting season. Obviously

36:03

stats only tell half the story. We just talked for

36:05

a while about this very human element to the sport

36:07

so figure we'll talk about the rest. Summer

36:09

trivia, summer conversation starters. So obviously

36:12

there's been a lot of talk about the record with

36:14

OG. 20 and 3. There's

36:17

been comparisons to

36:19

the post trade era when they acquired

36:22

Josh Hart. This is better

36:24

than Josh Hart post trade era. Why

36:26

is the team so much better with

36:28

OG? What's up? I just

36:30

want to give some love to OG man. Even though me

36:32

and him, me and OG don't see, yeah we don't see

36:34

eye to eye all the time.

36:36

You're trying to get a clip. No,

36:38

I'm just saying because I know he's probably, he

36:41

sees some of these things. I just want to say shout out

36:43

to him because he got mad when

36:46

I didn't say his name properly on you

36:49

know the podcast. Then he got mad at me the

36:51

other day because I misspelled his

36:53

first name wrong. How do you say his

36:55

first name? How do you spell two letters?

36:58

No, it's

37:00

spelled O-H-G-E-E.

37:03

So he

37:05

was mad at me about that one but that's what I

37:07

thought. But anyways, having him, it's been made

37:09

on both sides of the ball because

37:18

obviously defensively he's someone who can

37:20

guard really

37:22

one through five. Whoever's, their

37:26

go-to guy, we were able to put him on.

37:29

Then offensively he just, he fits in very well. He's

37:31

able to space the floor. He makes smart

37:34

basketball, plays, cuts, decision making,

37:36

those kind of things. So he really

37:38

just kind of fit into what we

37:41

were building and

37:43

it was just kind of just fit so seamless. I

37:47

think you said it perfectly. That was

37:49

amazing. Thanks man. What do you think, Clyde? Well

37:51

he doesn't need the ball. So

37:54

that gave the team better continuity.

37:58

Gave Jalen a chance to create. more off

38:00

the bounce and guys just move and go

38:02

to different positions so the continuity picked up.

38:06

I would say piggyback off that I

38:08

remember like one the first games I

38:10

think I said this on TV or whatever he um

38:14

he came out of a timeout or something I was like oh if

38:16

you do this and this you guys did this he

38:19

was like yeah I don't even know what I'm doing so I'm just gonna

38:21

keep cutting. Yeah I think it was like the first game he was like

38:23

17. Yeah and like anytime I drove and like

38:26

I kind of like I pivoted and like just like

38:28

looks like an outlet mm-hmm all of a sudden he's

38:30

just like in the right spot for either a dunk

38:32

or like he's moved down to the corner or he

38:34

shook up yeah whatever he was always

38:36

like in the right place I was like this

38:39

is just I don't know just made

38:42

it natural. Have you noticed a lot

38:44

of relief for you on defense personally because I feel

38:46

like before it was every single night the

38:48

whole time you're in the game you're guarding the best perimeter player.

38:51

Um yeah I mean I don't I don't really

38:54

have to guard those guys anymore so I'm cool um

38:57

you know like there was like

38:59

there's certain guys like I

39:01

hate guarding for now I don't have to really worry about

39:03

them. Who do you hate guarding the most? Um

39:06

so you're hypocritical because if someone asked you that you'd

39:08

say oh I'm gonna wait till I retire. Yeah exactly

39:10

who do I hate guarding the most dog? You know

39:13

who just baked me this year? No.

39:16

No. Tana Williams? No.

39:19

Demar the fucking Rosa.

39:22

The Rosa? demar the Rosa?

39:24

I know it's DeRozan but I always said

39:26

DeRozan when I was a kid that's how anyways backstory

39:29

um yeah now he was he was

39:34

he baked me he baked me all

39:37

huh yeah yeah all three games

39:39

obviously we played him four times

39:42

accidentally kick somebody got thrown out

39:44

so that didn't count but accidentally

39:46

yeah accidentally I had

39:49

Bruce he's on to expire but um yeah

39:51

he when

39:54

you garden DeRozan okay

39:56

my consensus I'm a first team

39:59

all NBA Seven times. Mm-hmm.

40:02

So my philosophy when I'm guarding the guys

40:04

force him to his weakness what I think

40:06

his weakness is Mm-hmm, but I don't see

40:08

guys doing that today like

40:10

Jalen Come on, man.

40:12

Take away his left hand. They keep letting the

40:14

body I'm going all the way to the hoop

40:16

got to try to force him right man You're

40:18

gonna have a better chance of denying him. So

40:21

the same with the rosin I you know, I

40:23

rarely see him dribble left-handed. Mm-hmm. Were you trying

40:26

to force him that or does he like contact?

40:28

Can you you know a lot of guys don't

40:30

like to be? Yes close

40:32

to them or what so what's your philosophy on

40:34

guarding these guys? Um It's

40:37

tough like with with DeMar Like

40:41

I always always struggle like since I was like

40:43

a rookie and part of it like His

40:46

ability to get to his spots even like trying

40:49

to take away, you know His right hand or try

40:51

to take like trying to take away his mid-range like it's

40:54

really impossible to and it's like His

40:57

ability to shot fake footwork pivot,

40:59

you know, it's You

41:01

know, it's really like a mind game It was

41:03

like my first my first game in LA we when I

41:05

played against them It was like he

41:08

shot fakes every every possession like don't don't jump

41:10

on a shot fake that it up So

41:12

I didn't jump on a shot fake. I'm not sure

41:14

how many you know points he had but I was

41:16

like, okay I did okay, and then the

41:18

next time we play him he's in San Antonio Same

41:21

thing don't jump on a shot fake. So

41:24

I'm like, I'm not gonna jump on it And literally every

41:27

time he got the ball in

41:29

the mid in the mid post turn there was

41:31

no shopping It was just turned straight cash. So

41:33

now I'm thinking I'm like I have no idea

41:36

If he's shot faking if he's not shot faking

41:39

and he gets so much height on his

41:41

mid-range and you know Also being six six,

41:44

you know, sometimes like you just can't

41:47

contest it Sometimes that one

41:49

guy man He'd

41:56

been if you look at my career stats against him

42:00

it's not looking pretty for me. The

42:02

moral of the story is take more twos. No,

42:04

like, I would like, for

42:06

sure. I would like, the

42:08

game we played in Chicago, I

42:10

think like, OG got in foul trouble.

42:13

And I think the first half I guarded him and

42:16

he was like one for three. Also,

42:18

and so I'm like, and I, this how you know, I

42:20

was like kind of somewhat taking a personal come like, I

42:23

knew it first half one for three. I know

42:25

what he was doing. OG

42:27

picked up like his fourth foul

42:29

early and I had to go on him. D'awg.

42:33

He started baking me in

42:35

this third quarter. Two for one, hit a

42:37

three, had like three, like

42:41

three turnaround fadeaways, had a drive

42:43

and one. Drive got to

42:45

the middle on the high picker in the world

42:47

with a horns action. So

42:49

there's a certain guys, you don't play defense.

42:51

I'm just saying. I don't know why you

42:53

thought, you got baked in your matchup against

42:55

Chicago and we lost. So

42:58

I don't want to hear about it. Ayo,

43:00

Ayo, I can't remember. The

43:05

Sumu and Jevante Green

43:08

baked him. So, and

43:10

it's more excusable when people bake me because they're

43:13

supposed to be doing the baking. Okay.

43:18

You looking it up? I'm looking it up. You guys

43:20

can finish the conversation with them. All right, next set.

43:24

Nick's finished number two and points

43:26

allowed on defense. Last year, number

43:28

seven. What was the biggest difference? Oh,

43:30

yeah, no. To

43:33

be frank. I don't know. And

43:35

I mean, we should talk about Isaiah because if

43:37

you look at, not to get too analytical, but

43:39

I think on the stats, he's really up there.

43:43

Up there. And we were talking about

43:45

with him off air. It

43:47

was like altered shots. It was something, some like advanced

43:50

analytic that he was like bragging with. He was like

43:52

number two on or something. Getting

43:55

dunked on maybe. Just gonna,

43:57

just real quick. What do you think the difference has been? I

44:02

think Devo has had an impact. He

44:04

does a good job getting into passing

44:06

lanes. Hardenstein as you alluded to, precious.

44:10

I was really amazed with his shot blocking

44:12

prowess. I don't think we had, yeah. So

44:15

a lot of guys elevated their defense in the

44:17

game. Deuce? I'm about to say Deuce. And

44:20

it's like with that, now

44:22

if you look at the whole team, you have

44:25

Deuce and Dante was able to

44:28

guard some of the smaller, more explosive

44:30

guards. Then you have OG,

44:33

me, and precious sometimes

44:35

on the perimeter who all can switch guard

44:38

multiple positions. And obviously you have shot blockers

44:40

like Mitch and Zay. So

44:43

I feel like right

44:46

now we have guys

44:50

defensively that fit

44:52

everything. And it's not something that we're

44:54

really lacking on. No, I was just

44:56

fine. I

44:58

have the last five games you guys played against each other.

45:02

Let's see here. Is

45:07

he a friend? No. You

45:10

do have a better 3.0% of his career. You're

45:14

a shooter. More rebounds. But

45:16

he has literally everything else. And you know what

45:18

makes me so mad about DeMar? When

45:23

I'm guarding him. He makes

45:25

it look so effortless. He

45:27

always has dope, Kobe, PEs and

45:29

all that. If you really look at

45:32

his shoes, they look like they're barely tied.

45:35

It looks like he's not really like he is. He

45:37

doesn't tie shoes. He doesn't tie them. There's no crease. It

45:40

looks like he's not. The brand new. Yeah. If

45:43

you look at some of my shoes, I got scuffs.

45:45

They're like, the tie tight.

45:47

You can tell this dude was

45:49

going through some battles. You look

45:51

at his, they all clean, smooth.

45:54

Dude was baking me without tying his shoes. So

45:57

I would say last game,

45:59

he. Uh, he

46:02

had 30 you had 12 just

46:04

comparing side by side, but it's also a

46:06

different map very different

46:09

matchup 34

46:11

to your 17 a little better Kind

46:15

of the game get kicked

46:17

out. He had 20 so doesn't like count 20

46:19

to my zero Before

46:23

that he gave you 28 you had three

46:26

before that when you're in Portland it was 2017 to 13 so

46:30

you're not doing bad

46:32

different role different role. I'm just saying like

46:35

But he definitely does He gets

46:37

hearts in his eyes when you see you do when you're

46:39

defending He's me He's

46:42

like, yeah, I got one and uh,

46:44

the percentages are pretty Pretty

46:48

positive to shooting pretty much over 50% every time

46:50

he plays you He

46:53

like that's I wanted to do

46:55

that. Just he consistently consistently basement

46:58

is Damn

47:01

thing I can do

47:03

because like he He

47:06

loves like his way

47:08

gives you mid-range shots, but he loves

47:10

tough analytics Force tough to

47:12

short, you know force turnaround jump shots and

47:14

like now like some

47:17

of these dudes especially

47:19

the mid-range game like you

47:21

know Forcing those

47:24

shots are there's like playing to

47:26

their strengths the Mar Brandon

47:28

Ingram CJ McCollum Who

47:31

else is like mid-ranges? Oh,

47:33

Katie. Yeah, Katie. I mean,

47:35

that's that's a different conversation So

47:41

Yeah That's

47:43

what so now we got og so that helps I

47:45

don't got to get baked the mix

47:48

for undefeated since the eclipse Did

47:52

you did you um, did you see

47:54

like when Phil Lewis quotes we did you when

47:56

you asked about if the glasses are necessary I'm

47:58

not do for losses. He's like He's a

48:00

reporter for Huff Post. He has like a really large Twitter

48:02

following. He's always reporting Anyway, he quote tweeted your tweets that

48:04

we're about to see the first Sports

48:06

related eclipse in there. Oh, yeah, so I got

48:08

like that. I thought I'd treat I know who the

48:11

guy was Yeah Was

48:14

the eclipse good luck for you guys? Wasn't

48:16

a little anti-climatic. Really?

48:18

Yeah, because we weren't

48:20

in the in the zone line

48:23

of the talk out. Yeah So,

48:25

yeah, it was a waste of time. So Jalen has

48:28

the third most points in Nick's single season history who

48:30

is one and two me

48:32

and Patrick One

48:36

but not you're not number two Richie

48:44

Gary. Yeah Clive

48:48

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48:50

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48:52

you Been showing

48:54

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48:56

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