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me today are two very special guests. We

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have 190 pounds of pure muscle and

1:00

talent. Blaine Gibson. This is a trap. This is

1:02

a trap. I just realized when he said that

1:04

I was like, I've been trapped. And

1:08

soaking wet 15 pounds. We have

1:11

Chris Damaris. Wet 15 pounds of pure talent. Pure

1:16

unadulterated talent. What

1:18

does unadulterated mean? It means

1:21

that there's no adults to tell you that you can't

1:23

do it to the max. Raw. Yeah. OK.

1:26

Like, well, no, I guess because

1:28

adulterated would be raw,

1:31

but like unadulterated would be protected.

1:34

Protected talent? I'm protected. I don't know. See,

1:36

I hear that all the time. Everyone uses

1:39

it. I don't think anyone truly knows what

1:41

it means, though. I don't think you need

1:43

to. Yeah, I think it just means what

1:45

it yeah, what it needs to mean. Wow.

1:47

That's English language, baby. That's messed up. Is

1:51

it adulterated then

1:53

comes from diluted in some

1:56

ways? In some way, I think it's because when

1:58

you become an adult, you become. diluted

2:00

with so much bullshit when

2:02

you're a child like if it was childlike

2:04

uh-huh you would just be pure pure Yeah,

2:07

pure and happy and unadulterated makes sense I'm

2:10

looking for root words like this is the

2:12

SAT and I'm trying to get to the

2:14

bottom of what Yeah, so

2:16

is adult he say like it's a

2:20

Crying that's got I'm trying to get the bottom of this unadulterated

2:25

Yeah, hello boys hello, how

2:27

are you good? Yeah tired

2:30

really? Yeah? Yeah, it's well.

2:32

It's It's Christmas.

2:34

It's Christmas. Well. It's technically Is

2:38

that a Christmas song? Chris

2:40

does kind of give like a haunting Christmas boy

2:42

vibe like a like a mix of it like

2:44

a tiny Tim But a little

2:46

bit of evidence are screwed you do you look

2:49

like you draw on your facial hair to trick

2:51

us into I want them to know I'm unadulterated

2:56

Sulturated What's

3:01

the vibe for Christmas I like Christmas I think

3:03

it's cool I I I

3:06

don't really Do anything

3:08

special I think when I was a kid I

3:10

would go like open presents and stuff I

3:13

had one of those sick ass divorced parents

3:17

I would get like a little Christmas. Yeah, but it

3:19

was they were poor so it was like half a

3:22

Christmas total I Don't

3:24

know I think Christmas is cool. I never

3:26

really did the big family thing all my

3:28

family was too spread out and I Really

3:32

just as an adult have used Christmas as

3:34

an excuse to go see like my mom

3:36

and hang out Yeah, everybody gives time off

3:38

and stuff you know to deal with holiday

3:41

traffic But I have

3:43

parts of my family are so poor that I remember they

3:45

used to do this thing where they would Tell

3:47

their kids and their youth that Christmas was on

3:50

the 20 I want to see the 27th mm-hmm

3:52

because they would go out on the 25th and

3:54

by Count

3:58

and then they would wrap them in 27th. It's a I Christmas

4:01

not doing Christmas is the best Christmas

4:03

you'll ever have not during Christmas Christmas

4:06

Christmas if you celebrate the holidays

4:08

like off date, huh?

4:10

It's so much better because

4:13

you're able to like skip it's easier to

4:15

schedule. It's easier to fly in and out

4:17

Uh-huh, not busy. Do you have

4:19

a specific date? Like you're not time you just

4:21

do like a week before or week after okay?

4:23

Yeah, you like offshoot it all sudden. It's

4:26

way more like easier to schedule your

4:28

going I would argue that week after

4:30

is the move week before actually feels

4:32

more stressful and well It

4:34

could be I don't know but but the benefit of it

4:37

also that people have like partners and stuff and they have

4:39

to split Christmas, you know like oh they can't come to

4:41

Christmas I can always go the

4:43

week before the the week after I also

4:45

feel like you lose that spirit what like

4:47

yeah the worst day Of the holiday season

4:49

for me is Christmas because at

4:52

that point the Thing

4:54

in like the next day, but the high yeah,

4:56

no cuz then you get there for your your

4:58

in your fucking Xbox There's no expectation you're still

5:00

from school 25th

5:03

though, it's like you open on your presence. You don't

5:05

get to enjoy them cuz you got all these other traditions

5:07

You got a hit okay? Nothing's fucking open first friends

5:10

you have You

5:12

have stupid tradition. Yeah You

5:15

ever had to worry about going to school

5:17

tomorrow in 40 years I

5:22

don't know if you guys do this

5:25

it sounds like you don't but I

5:27

kind of loop in the whole like

5:29

two week period of any Holiday is

5:31

just that holiday like two weeks Half

5:35

of it before half of it after Halloween for

5:38

me. That's just Halloween Thanksgiving same

5:40

thing Christmas especially

5:42

is just like sort of a season

5:44

and I want to be clear I

5:47

fucking hate like Christmas songs like I

5:49

hate that the whole world celebrates like

5:51

a Christmas together I just mean that

5:53

like for two weeks. I don't do

5:55

shit. I go visit my mom we

5:57

watch TV and movies and then Like

6:00

make a bunch of food. I love Christmas

6:02

music because I used to enjoy it because

6:04

I was like, yeah, it's the Holy Spirit

6:06

and I'm super into this and all this

6:08

stuff. Now I like it because I feel

6:10

like every time a Christmas song is on

6:12

my radio, I'm so fucking stressed out. And

6:14

there's just something about the emotions and

6:19

the thing I'm experiencing while listening to

6:21

it. It's cinematic. It's like the end

6:23

to this. I love that

6:26

shit. I feel like if you've ever worked

6:28

in retail, you fucking hate it. You fucking,

6:30

that and Maroon 5. No,

6:32

no, but I also worked at an

6:34

ice cream store. So like, that

6:36

was a slow time. That's when you're just chilling. Oh, Christmas time

6:38

is a slow time? Yeah, yeah. I don't know what's in the

6:40

ice cream store. I just cream it cold. Yeah. You

6:43

just chill and like make waffle cones. Yeah.

6:46

You working at an ice cream store is

6:48

maybe the most fitting job I've ever heard

6:50

in my entire life. I used to work

6:53

at a fucking toy store. It was KB

6:55

Toys back in the day when Baker was

6:57

out. Dude, that was the worst Christmas time.

6:59

I worked two Christmases at KB and my

7:02

God, like just the worst parts of

7:04

humanity. I worked at a Jimmy John's

7:06

and Christmas was just kind of normal

7:08

actually. No real difference. No

7:10

big change. They had that seasonal

7:12

like Thanksgiving turkey one though, did they

7:14

not? I don't think so. Oh, okay. They

7:16

might've, but not really. I think that might've

7:19

been like a different sandwich place. We did

7:22

have pumpkin spice Italian

7:24

subs, which is when I would

7:26

joke. Yeah, it's not

7:28

real. It's when I would

7:30

make an Italian sandwich and then pour a

7:33

Starbucks pumpkin spice latte over it. Like

7:36

a French dip. Yeah.

7:39

No. It tastes terrible.

7:41

What's the broth of a friendship? Is it just beef broth?

7:43

Yeah, it's beef broth. Hey, you know what I have for

7:45

my salad dressing? Beef juice? Nah,

7:49

yeah, actually kind of. No chicken juice. Chicken

7:52

stock is like a salad dressing. That

7:55

sounds healthy though. What do you mean on accident? the

8:00

other day I went to HUB and

8:02

I walked in and got a salad mm-hmm but

8:04

I pre you know they don't come with dressing but

8:07

I bought a thing of dressing to leave at the office

8:09

Kim I came walked all the

8:11

stage for no dressing they cleaned out

8:14

the fridge including dressing yeah they made

8:16

a big deal about doing that too

8:18

by the way well cuz a lot

8:20

of people had been

8:22

leaving food in there for months dressing

8:25

no I'm just saying there's

8:27

a lot of dressing oh I'm sorry okay I actually

8:30

you know what I am on Chris's

8:32

side there's stuff like dressing mustard etc

8:34

like stuff that you just have in

8:36

the like condiment yeah they

8:38

should have touched check the expiration dates but I'm

8:40

sorry I think I know exactly what happened here

8:42

but go anyway they cleaned it out and I

8:44

was like oh that stinks but I

8:46

wasn't like that's why they threw it out because

8:49

it fucking just like it was like

8:51

some vinaigrette man those like never go

8:54

bad anyway so I was like dang

8:56

so then I was like and I didn't have time

8:58

to go back and get dressing and so I like maybe there's

9:00

some in stage two there

9:03

wasn't but you know what there wasn't stage

9:05

two chicken stock well I had

9:07

some leftover soup

9:10

no and I just poured the

9:12

the broth into the soup and I gave you

9:15

to shake shake shake honestly not

9:17

bad Chris there's a reason they call

9:19

it soup or salad you're

9:22

not allowed to do both how

9:24

was it honestly wasn't that bad if

9:27

it was refrigerated is refrigerated bad yeah

9:29

kind of like a healthy was it

9:31

like a chicken noodle it was a

9:33

ramen okay okay

9:35

less yeah like

9:38

not noodle ramen well all

9:41

noodle like ramen

9:43

that you buy at a ramen place like out

9:45

yeah I guess what you're saying it's not like

9:48

top ramen it's like ramen from a ramen spot

9:50

yeah so it was like good bra I assumed

9:52

but I

9:54

assumed that was the case I think everyone

9:57

assumed that was the case I think it

9:59

would be weird if you made

10:01

ramen on a stove and

10:04

then said, you know what, this 89 cents

10:08

has to go in the fridge because I got to

10:10

eat this later. Okay,

10:13

and it was pork ramen, it was chicken ramen, is

10:15

what you said, and it was good. It was good.

10:17

Did you put the noodles in there too or just

10:19

the broth? I dumped everything. There

10:21

wasn't much noodles left. I kind of saved the broth

10:24

for my own... Like, do you

10:26

guys save broth? If

10:29

it depends. I typically, I was raised to

10:31

finish my plate, so I very rarely take

10:33

home leftovers. Well, so I had eaten all,

10:35

most of the noodles out of it is

10:37

mostly just some broth, and

10:39

I was like, two things. One, I'm

10:41

gonna go home and cook my own noodles in

10:44

this broth. It's just

10:46

like, it's like new ramen, you throw an egg

10:48

in there, maybe some vegetables. Yeah. And

10:50

then you save that broth, and then you do

10:52

it again. Yes, yes, yes. Infinite ramen dish. It

10:54

is infinite ramen, I'm not kidding you. There's

10:58

made ramen like four

11:00

times out of normal ramen. Have you

11:02

heard about this? There's like some places that they have like 120

11:04

year old soup, because

11:08

they just have this, they have a pot,

11:10

and it's the same broth, and they've just

11:12

been adding to it. As they take it

11:14

out, they add more to it. And it's

11:16

just fine to eat? Apparently. Like, it's been

11:18

going on since like the fucking middle ages.

11:20

Check, come to my house. I

11:23

don't want your... I got a... ...diver anything. I got a

11:25

soup in there that's been in my fridge for 25 years.

11:28

I feel like there's a place in like Boston or

11:31

something on the East Coast that they have one of

11:33

these places. Japan definitely has a few of them, but

11:35

it's just like they just constantly refresh. And then they'll

11:37

transfer it over, and then they'll clean the pot. So

11:40

like that's still clean, but like... Is it like

11:42

tiered, do you think? Like because the different... Like

11:44

the bottom is all... Yeah, like do you go...

11:46

Can you go in there and get me go

11:48

like a... Let

11:50

me get some of that Reagan broth. Yeah. They

11:52

go real deep in there. They bring out the

11:54

Reagan ladle. It's melon plated.

11:58

Well, at that point they put the pot... up

12:00

pop and it trickles down. Oh yeah,

12:02

that'd be a good novel. I'm so

12:05

sorry. That's great. That's fucking stupid.

12:07

That's a good joke. That's good. Can

12:10

I tell you guys about one of the dumbest things?

12:12

Speaking of H.E.B. and Chicken, I

12:14

did an Instacart order the other day because I

12:18

do this thing where when I record like

12:20

Colt Podcast, the other show that I do,

12:22

I'll like order... Paige Wesley. Yeah,

12:25

with Paige Wesley. I order groceries

12:27

from Instacart so that while I'm

12:29

recording, the grocery shopping is getting done

12:31

and then I feel good about ordering it

12:33

because then I'm getting two things done at

12:35

once. Whatever you gotta do, yeah.

12:37

Yeah, it's fine. It makes me feel better, whatever.

12:40

There's a meme online which

12:42

is that dudes are the worst shoppers

12:44

ever because I think dudes, even for

12:46

themselves when they're not Instacart shoppers, are

12:48

just fucking terrible. Yeah, that's why I

12:51

hate grocery shopping. Yeah. I'm

12:53

bad at it. I can't find something. I just

12:55

replace it with the closest thing ever. When

12:59

I was in New York, I was shopping with my

13:01

partner and... Well, actually, my partner sent

13:03

me shopping for dinner and I was

13:05

supposed to get bell peppers and I

13:07

couldn't find them and I just got

13:10

cayenne pepper ground. Yeah, yeah. And you

13:12

failed it. I failed. I failed. I

13:15

got everything else right. Anyway, this

13:17

is a similar version of it

13:19

where recently Andrew Rosas put

13:21

me onto H.E.B.'s rotisserie chicken,

13:23

the lemon pepper rotisserie chicken. Oh, yeah.

13:26

Yeah, yeah. Which is so good. It's

13:28

so cheap. Rotisserie chicken, great thing.

13:30

I ordered it. They didn't have it. They were sold

13:32

out of rotisserie chickens. Do you want to guess? I

13:34

was gonna say, can we play a game with this?

13:36

What they were playing? I

13:39

love when they do this because it's always like, how did they

13:41

end up here? I want to say that

13:43

they gave you deli meat chicken,

13:46

like the refrigerated rotisserie... Interesting. I

13:48

bet they gave deli canned chicken.

13:50

Canned chicken, interesting. Blaine

13:53

Gibson, you are correct. What

13:55

they did was they went to

13:57

the deli and made it. them

14:00

slice turkey not chicken turkey

14:02

so I got a package

14:05

of I got two pounds

14:08

that's a lot of meat dude are you

14:10

shitting me Kelly turkey no so I guess

14:12

what I'm asking here is do you want

14:14

some turkey so

14:16

much fucking dirty you don't put that in

14:18

your soup that'll

14:21

be good it's true though anytime anytime

14:23

you find out that your Instacart guy

14:26

is a guy then it's like expect

14:28

these the most out-of-left field replacements

14:31

yeah things that are missing none of it

14:33

makes sense that's why it's like I'll get

14:35

in any shopper I'm fine with and then

14:37

you like it pops up and it's like

14:39

Randy and you're like oh fuck god damn

14:41

it okay well I guess

14:43

I'm going to H-E-B again yeah

14:45

fortunately we have one right by the office so it's not

14:47

the hardest but man I feel like during the holidays

14:50

once November hits that place is like a madhouse

14:52

oh yeah I don't even like going over there

14:54

I was just talking with Sammy

14:56

from BFT I feel like

14:59

I keep name-dropping but names

15:01

that don't matter that's not

15:03

on Sammy that's everyone that's

15:06

a blanket insult I

15:09

was talking with Sammy about Sammy likes going

15:12

to malls like to like okay public places

15:14

you know I was here about that to

15:16

hang out and shop just to hang out

15:19

and shop shopping I

15:21

fucking hate shopping too it's the worst I

15:23

hate going to places where people are buying

15:25

stuff I feel like I get residual stress

15:27

from them doing stuff I hate trying on

15:30

clothes I also I like

15:32

it but here's the thing I've

15:35

never or since

15:37

high school onward I have not been

15:39

able to buy clothing from like regular

15:42

retail stores because

15:44

it needs to be tall everything I

15:46

need needs to be tall size otherwise

15:49

it's just too short so

15:51

I can't go to malls because the shopping

15:53

doesn't matter I don't do that I don't

15:55

like any I don't like buying things that

15:58

aren't utilitarian like I love clothing I

16:00

can wear it but like collectibles toys,

16:02

etc. Not a really big fan of

16:04

it music and books is different But

16:06

again utilitarian I can use it. Yeah.

16:08

Yeah. Yeah, like he doesn't have like

16:11

technology from Well,

16:19

no, no I collect like like I

16:21

collect like cassette players and retro TVs

16:23

and retro radios TV

16:25

made the call sign for

16:27

this podcast, you know that right? Utilitarian

16:30

utilitarian when at the beginning of this

16:32

podcast when it's the the roosterteeth logo

16:34

comes in and is like CRT Andrew

16:37

roses Made that in after

16:40

effects really quickly and then went to your

16:42

house and filmed it on your CRT TV

16:44

I put on my CRT and then did

16:46

some funky editing with it. Now. That's our call.

16:48

Yeah executive produced by Blaine Gibson Well,

16:52

so but I don't like like I don't like Funko

16:54

pops. I don't like that kind of shit Yeah, like

16:57

I I I have action figures But they were

16:59

like when I bought them in Japan because like

17:01

they had like cool action figures Sure, but like

17:03

you like collectibles that are like actually cool Collect

17:06

I collect things that I wanted in my

17:09

youth but couldn't get I feel

17:11

like everything that you collect has a story

17:13

Attached to it rather than just like wanting

17:15

to collect things because you're a fan of

17:17

XY or Z Yeah,

17:20

yes and no cuz like like this watch is

17:22

like that's the watch that Arnold wears and Predator

17:24

So like typically I have like a reason behind

17:26

it. I don't just that's also utilitarian. That's what

17:28

I'm saying I would say anything

17:30

that you have that isn't utilitarian like all

17:32

that other stuff and even like the CRT

17:34

cameras the tape cassettes and Stuff like you

17:37

make that part of your setup

17:39

you use it You know you incorporate it

17:41

into what my office fucking rocks Like I

17:43

just like I've always wanted like a cool

17:45

little nerdy like cyberpunk man

17:47

cave shit And it's I love

17:49

my office got like old tape

17:52

Shit everywhere. Yeah, you don't really have a

17:54

lot of collectibles at home. I've been to

17:56

your house Yeah

18:00

But again, you feel it here. Yeah, yeah,

18:02

yeah, of course. I

18:04

have a lot of, like, to me it's like stuff that I

18:06

like. I mean, I have a ton of

18:08

stuff on like little toys and stuff. They're all

18:10

just like little knick-knack things that I think are

18:12

cool. And I just have them on shelves and stuff.

18:16

I have some, but I've never bought

18:18

any. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.

18:21

I've been gifted stuff that I

18:23

then will keep. But I very rarely

18:25

will buy anything that is just for

18:27

the sake of looking at it. I

18:29

hate, like, Chachkes, like shit, like, not

18:33

to disparage any brands, but like

18:35

a loot-sending thing where they send

18:38

you, like, a Funko Pop and

18:41

some branded chopsticks or something. It's just like

18:43

I don't want any of this stuff, and it's

18:45

just now just going to pile up in my house. You sent me junk.

18:48

Yeah, I'm going to ask for the future. But

18:50

also, that's, to piggyback

18:52

what you were saying, that's just us. Like,

18:55

if you like it, the more power to

18:57

you. A hundred percent. Yeah, I have so

18:59

much, I have endless amounts

19:01

of vinyl and CDs,

19:04

and I like physical media. You

19:07

probably have like a ton of movies I would

19:09

wager. A pretty good amount of Blu-rays and DVDs,

19:11

yeah. And like some VHS and cassettes

19:13

and stuff. And you could make the argument that, like,

19:16

that stuff's really stupid when you can stream everything. The

19:18

reason we keep it is because, like, you know, you

19:20

never know when shit's going to go obsolete. Well, Sony

19:22

just released a thing where I think that they had,

19:24

it was like an older streaming platform of theirs, and

19:26

then they just said, hey, if you ever bought anything

19:29

or rented anything, it's gone. Mm-hmm. It's

19:31

just like they have the right to do that because

19:33

it's not physical media, and they, at the front of

19:35

when you buy this, they're like, well, you're not owning

19:37

it, owning it. Like, we can take this away. Yeah.

19:40

So physical media is important because it's like you actually

19:42

get it. You get to keep it. It's also very

19:44

strange to me that, like, even owning something on a

19:46

Blu-ray, like, eventually that Blu-ray is going to fuck up

19:48

and die. You know what I mean? Yeah.

19:53

the internet connected Blu-ray ones? No, no,

19:55

no, no. I just mean like as

19:57

a physical item, the Blu-ray will eventually

20:00

cease to... work probably not for a

20:02

really long time but it eventually will

20:04

I was listening

20:06

to this really great video essay recently

20:09

Jacob Geller another name drop oh

20:12

yeah anyone

20:16

who watches YouTube on their lunch

20:18

break is freaking out right now

20:20

yeah but there's this idea

20:22

of like how do you save stuff

20:26

like video games and shit you

20:28

know when like you can the majority

20:30

of older games are stored on devices

20:34

that break down like Game Boy cartridges

20:36

yeah are known for just like once

20:38

the battery dies out your pokemons just

20:40

fucking gone yeah so like so many

20:42

old games because we can't because it's

20:44

sort of illegal to like port or

20:46

emulate them into modern technologies some

20:49

of that code and some of those games and

20:52

other games to the like anything pre

20:54

2002 because the only way to play

20:56

it is with the physical media that

20:58

requires different things like a ps2 or

21:00

stuff like even

21:02

like cassettes you know like you would

21:04

have to keep your cassette player keep it

21:07

top-notch like able to work and then make

21:09

sure that you're storing your cassettes properly so

21:11

that you can have them I

21:14

just think it's interesting that like we keep

21:17

this physical media but eventually you know it'll

21:19

die out too but it'll die out at a

21:21

slower rate than if you have it on a digital

21:23

library yeah then if you have it on Sony wipe

21:26

it I actually

21:28

have this thing because

21:31

I have this the whole kick on retro stuff can't

21:33

Griff always claims that I'm a time traveler and I'm

21:35

traveling from the 80s and now I'm just enjoying all

21:37

of the whatever but

21:40

there's this thing called a analog

21:42

pocket and it's basically like a souped-up Game Boy

21:44

and you can put on emulators and play like

21:46

basically any Game Boy game from history on her

21:48

and I've been doing that because like I do

21:51

have a bunch of Game Boy games that I

21:53

saved but the batteries are all dead and I

21:55

don't know how to solder and stuff so I'm just like

21:57

now just get this thing oh really yeah I can teach

21:59

you That's something I could actually teach you.

22:01

I would love to do that in welding. I...

22:03

welding, I don't know, but soldering, I had

22:05

to learn when I worked at LEGO. We

22:08

had to... You were at LEGO? You don't know,

22:10

you just moved to Master Builder. Yeah, I was a Master Mono

22:12

Builder. So

22:15

my job was to build buildings

22:18

and stuff out of LEGO for like LEGO

22:20

lands across the world. Wow.

22:23

Are you fucking with snow? That was so disjunior.

22:25

No, that was genuine. Wow. That

22:30

seems like one of those jobs where it's

22:32

like, why would you ever leave? But I'm

22:34

sure there's some very valid reasons for why

22:36

you left. I don't know the legality of

22:39

whether or not, like what I can mention,

22:41

but what I can say

22:43

is that what I

22:45

think is very funny is that I worked

22:47

for LEGO land, not for LEGO. I worked

22:49

for LEGO land, which is owned by a

22:51

British company called Merlin Magic Making. I

22:54

was a Master Mono Builder. I got

22:56

the job purely

22:58

because I think people who are

23:00

really good with LEGO are really

23:03

bad at talking to people. And

23:05

I was like decent at LEGO

23:07

and also had a pretty good

23:10

portfolio as like an artist. And

23:13

I am like, this

23:15

straight up, this isn't like an

23:17

exaggeration. If I get an

23:20

interview for a job, I'm getting that

23:22

job. I've never not interviewed and gotten

23:24

a job offer. I'm very

23:26

personable and very likable in that setting,

23:28

especially when I only have to be

23:30

there for like 15 minutes. If

23:33

you get 15 minutes with Armando Torres, you leave

23:35

going like, I like that guy. That guy, he's

23:37

OK with me. If you get like two years

23:39

like Blaine got with Armando Torres, you're like, I

23:41

never want to go hang out with that guy

23:43

again. Did you have

23:45

to like speed LEGO? So

23:47

yeah, and I sucked at it. When

23:50

I went to the interview process, it

23:52

was a group interview where they was

23:54

like 30 people, right? And

23:57

they asked you to build something that showed

23:59

your personality. And this

24:01

guy was like, oh, I'm

24:03

gonna build the rocket that won me the Lego building competition

24:05

of 2014 down in st Louis

24:08

and I was like, that's when I graduated high

24:10

school. Fuck, you know, like I'm He's

24:13

building this rocket other people are building transformers

24:15

the guy that's in the same like mini

24:17

group within our group is like a 52

24:20

year old dude from Denmark with an engineering degree

24:22

and I'm just sitting here. I'm 19

24:25

I'm a little high right now going

24:28

like oh fuck I mean I

24:30

may have been too deep building like I built I built

24:32

a plate of spaghetti Because

24:36

that's what I found I built a blue plate and

24:38

then I found a bunch of the like the

24:40

beige Like strips of different lengths

24:43

and I put them down and then I built a like

24:45

a thing of red and all Yeah,

24:47

and I just built that cuz I was like fuck

24:49

it. I'm not winning. I might as well get a

24:51

laugh out of it Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I

24:53

was like I built this place spaghetti because I'm like

24:55

80% spaghetti at any

24:58

given time 5%

25:01

meatball by volume And

25:04

they loved it And then the reason they

25:06

told me they liked it is because like

25:08

everyone builds something that like shows how impressive

25:10

your building is but it's

25:12

actually more important to build something that

25:14

like Is fun or

25:17

tell a story? Yeah, then it is to

25:19

do any of that They

25:21

did say build something that shows your personality and you

25:24

Liver you did and you do and your

25:27

personality isn't the That's

25:40

just what happens when you become a billionaire you want to build

25:42

a giant dick and go to the space yeah Yeah,

25:45

I so I I worked for I worked there for

25:48

a really long time my job eventually though because I

25:50

was so such a slow Builder I'm not I don't

25:52

want you to think I was good at the job

25:54

or anything And

25:59

so my job mostly became working with like

26:01

I would do press stuff. I would go

26:03

do the like make a

26:05

wish stuff and

26:08

I would I would like just kind of

26:10

be one of the face people for They

26:15

probably needed that because they probably just didn't have any

26:17

like camera trained folks that were like Okay,

26:23

I understand why they would get mad but

26:25

like part of what would happen is They

26:28

wanted it to seem like any master

26:30

model model builder was just synonymous with

26:33

the job So like if you were

26:35

talking about something that was

26:37

built By

26:39

your office you would have

26:41

to in front of the public

26:43

Talk like you built the whole

26:46

thing so that it seems more

26:48

magical to the children, right? But

26:50

then people who actually worked at the

26:53

office feel like hey feel like you're

26:55

taking fucking credit. Yeah, absolutely So

26:58

it cuz it's you know, these things are

27:00

giant fucking monstrosities that that

27:02

are that take the person teams too Probably

27:04

right. Oh, yeah, like we built I had

27:07

just imagining that people at Lego office

27:10

Take still taking credit for them. Also

27:12

sick kids. They're staring through a window

27:14

a Lego window at Armando saying so

27:16

when I built the dinosaur Look

27:20

I would turn and look at them in the eye and go

27:22

when I built We

27:26

built and I I'm still doing it because

27:28

I actually really had to do with it

27:34

Taking credit for it when we quote

27:37

unquote they when they built the the

27:39

Burj Khalifa, which is you know The

27:41

tallest building in the world. Yeah, they were

27:43

trying to build like the tallest Lego structure

27:45

in the world as a replica of the

27:47

Burj Khalifa one

27:50

of my favorite little bits of Information

27:52

is that like that's in Dubai. Yeah,

27:54

we sent that to Dubai. It's a giant

27:58

And then Like took it

28:00

apart. So we build it in

28:02

sectors Do you yeah like they build

28:05

any and then you install it? Yeah, like yeah,

28:07

yeah true like any building So so do you

28:09

like glue them when you do it? It's

28:13

not glue it's actually a Mixture

28:16

of like this weird acidic solution

28:18

and the ABS plastic that the

28:20

Legos are built out Oh, so

28:22

kind of like it molds it

28:24

essentially it's not glue it melts

28:26

enough of the Lego that when

28:28

it dries It just actually becomes

28:30

one giant piece of Lego and

28:32

at that point pipers on them

28:34

We also put like metal piping within

28:36

it when we're installing or to frame

28:39

it It says there's a I'm sorry

28:41

There is a rule that if a

28:43

child can pick it they will fucking

28:45

destroy it So you we make

28:47

those things as sturdy as humanly possible. There

28:49

is like metal rebar and shit in there

28:52

We really like reinforce it towards the bottom

28:54

hurt the child as much Yeah The

28:58

job of the lego that's why they hurt to step on

29:01

so then once it's built then those Legos

29:03

You can't like recover those right there like

29:05

stuck at that thing. They are they are

29:08

stuck is that thing and like sometimes?

29:12

while I was working there we had to renovate the

29:15

The Southern California Lego land the

29:18

White House They actually took it out

29:20

of the park and brought it in and we

29:22

had to like take part you renovated the White

29:24

House Yeah, yeah, you get to tell your kids

29:27

and the cool thing about it is it's

29:29

like a one-for-one recreation So I actually know

29:31

the escape routes like we're yeah, we're buying

29:33

this yeah Do

29:37

like perfect shots, what's the scale they?

29:42

Did they build that I

29:46

Don't know but it's not one for one. That's

29:48

kind of the fuck. Well. Yeah, obviously you didn't

29:50

build them The whatever the

29:52

burst of a one-for-one one I

29:56

feel like 16 to one is a standard

29:58

size of things like right that sounds about Right.

30:00

I think you don't want to still be like the size

30:02

of this V room the the the

30:04

the Person like the Lego people the mini

30:06

landers as they call them which is different

30:09

than a minifigure mini figure is like the

30:11

the tiny Lego dudes a

30:14

mini lander is the one where it's like made

30:16

out of multiple Lego pieces and they're about this

30:18

tall So a person is

30:20

this tall versus however tall a regular

30:22

person is if that makes sense. That's

30:24

the the scale the scale Okay,

30:28

so that's like if they're this tall It's

30:31

also that's like six inches the

30:33

person the mini landers are actually buildings

30:35

eight inches Like

30:38

if you that's one of the funky parts is

30:40

like if you actually look at it The mini

30:42

landers are too big for like the cars and

30:45

the cars are too small for the buildings and

30:47

like it's it's all It's like

30:49

you fuck around with that's like one to

30:51

twelve then one to twelve to one to

30:53

sixteen Cuz there's six inches and like say

30:55

like an average person if not, but six

30:57

foot then I would say

30:59

if one to twelve If the White House if

31:01

the building that we did if it had started

31:04

at this table, it was about this high You

31:07

should you should lower your hand down because that's a

31:09

weird gesture Yeah,

31:17

it was it was a fun job, but it

31:19

was I forgot how we got into this I

31:21

didn't know that you such a job exists. I don't know

31:24

I fucking love like oh, I'm getting back into them Like

31:26

it's they have like the old people. Yeah, no, no, I

31:28

bet you do because you're like I just wanted everything I

31:30

could have as a kid Well,

31:33

it sucks though cuz like once I built I just want to build

31:35

it. I don't want to display it I don't want a house filled

31:37

with Lego shit. I have friends that have that and that's fine That's

31:40

just like not my aesthetic. So I just like I break them

31:42

apart and I throw them in a closet That's

31:44

what me and my partner were talking about is

31:46

like we want to build the Lego, but after

31:48

that Yeah, I don't want it anymore. No, I

31:51

don't want it. I might just

31:53

start being the cool uncle and just giving it

31:55

to my niece Yeah, why don't you do that?

31:57

I did all of my childhood Legos are of

31:59

my My niece nephew. Oh, yeah, so

32:02

like and I'm starting from scratch and eventually it's

32:04

gonna make get critical math I'm gonna need to move

32:06

and then I'm just gonna be like fuck get here's

32:08

some Legos kids You know like I don't know

32:10

I Actually, this is a pretty

32:12

good segue into this some of the stuff that I

32:14

wanted to talk about Speaking of

32:17

like you want to relay using your

32:19

creativity and mixing it with your childhood

32:21

You both just made a show about

32:24

puppets. That's right with Of

32:27

puppets yeah, I guess it's technically

32:29

not about puppets It's about the

32:31

adventures of a Dungeons and Dragons crew

32:33

as they sort of traverse this strange world and

32:35

it's brought to life Through puppets and

32:37

come to think that we don't even really call attention

32:40

the fact that they are puppets not even one No

32:42

in their world. They're just people just our

32:44

people. Yeah, I will say that there was a

32:46

funny story where Chris And I were like sitting

32:48

down to work through an episode one

32:50

day and when we were writing it

32:52

Yeah, and you brought up a

32:54

video from your childhood and Then

32:58

I went into my closet and I fished out of

33:00

VHS. We both used to make Videos

33:02

basically what we're doing now, but like

33:04

with action figures and the same scale

33:06

just not as well. Yeah Yeah,

33:10

Chris was using the fucking unity

33:12

one to like make the background

33:14

work That's actually

33:16

a reference to the fact that you guys were using

33:18

some of the like Mandalorian Techniques

33:21

of like having the The

33:23

background be like video games. Yeah, we even got like

33:25

Unreal Engine Like we go in legit with it because

33:28

before we were using like just stock images and something

33:30

throw up on the screen but like we

33:32

actually like made digital settings

33:35

and environments and then Extended

33:37

them into physical sets and built the sets

33:39

to match the digital ones Yeah, blend it

33:41

because you can't yeah some some a lot

33:43

of our sets are like entirely built but

33:46

a lot of them Yeah, you can't build

33:48

all the skies sure And so

33:50

like we yeah like our main village in

33:52

the show is yeah, we found an

33:56

Unreal environment and then

33:58

had the houses built to match That

34:00

environment so that you ended very originally we

34:02

were thinking about doing Lego, but But

34:06

you couldn't make it to 116. No, it just

34:08

wouldn't work I guess let's start at the beginning

34:10

so in case you're unfamiliar I don't know how

34:12

you are as a audience viewer, but you

34:15

both work on a show a D&D

34:18

real play podcast called tales

34:20

from the stinky dragon, right? You're

34:23

wearing a shirt of it right now And

34:26

you are wearing venture brothers. Yeah, it's

34:29

a Warner property I thought about that

34:31

no warning when I was gonna wear it is

34:33

a Warner property I want to support venture brothers,

34:35

but not more than my puppet show So

34:48

yeah, y'all made this this

34:51

this this real play D&D

34:53

podcast where you It's

34:55

you you Barbara

34:59

and John Reisinger are the

35:01

players and Gus is the

35:03

DM. That's all yeah Yeah,

35:05

and then the story is

35:07

written with or by

35:09

Micah Reisinger, right? Mm-hmm and then

35:12

DMed by Gus and then Micah

35:15

sort of makes the entire score and like

35:17

sort of the Would

35:19

you call it the fully work and makes

35:21

it feel like a real audio drama? Yeah.

35:23

Yeah And then there's a

35:26

lot of the NPCs that are really voiced

35:28

by Gus are then re-recorded with actual. Yeah

35:31

Like voice actors like you like myself. Yeah,

35:33

those are all people that we brought back

35:35

to the show, too That is true. Your

35:37

character doesn't make an appearance, but we gave

35:39

you a different character You did do that

35:41

does my the big character that I voiced

35:43

well isn't in the show yet. Not yet.

35:46

Okay, so to kind

35:48

of like the podcast

35:50

is you know, it's Over

35:53

a hundred hours right that storyline and

35:56

we were we initially made

35:58

videos with the puppets like We'll just snippets one

36:01

minute like kind of essentially animated

36:03

best of clips but using puppets sure

36:06

after those Well, they're

36:08

the most common comment man I wish I could

36:10

watch the whole podcast like this and I was

36:12

like that was like a Comment

36:14

all the time man. I where can I watch

36:17

the whole show? Yeah, that's not possible It's not

36:19

possible first do a one-to-one an adaptation. We'd still

36:21

be on episode one right now. Yeah that were

36:23

the case But we

36:25

were like well we could

36:27

adapt the story in the same

36:30

way that you know a movie or a

36:32

show is based off of a book or

36:34

something and so we Took

36:37

the characters in the world and then made it

36:39

in a new series with new

36:41

storyline I mean, it's using the same

36:43

characters and the same kind of plot

36:45

point, but we basically it's an

36:47

adaptation We don't think you drag

36:50

into adventures because they're off on different adventures. Sure.

36:52

I Actually, really like

36:54

that. One of the things that I wanted to Sort

36:57

of praise you guys for is that the show

36:59

itself think that Tales from the Stinky Dragon has

37:01

always sort of been more

37:04

focused on being a show than

37:06

other sort of real play podcasts that I've

37:08

heard of in the past like I Think

37:12

what's so interesting is Making

37:14

it feel like an audio drama Having

37:16

voice actors come in to play sort

37:19

of these NPC characters Not that it's

37:21

necessarily a novel or completely unique thing

37:23

to your show not even to our

37:25

like us because we did Good Morning

37:27

from Hell exactly entire premise. Yeah, but

37:29

it's sort of I don't know it

37:31

elevates it to a new level where

37:33

it does feel like I

37:37

guess it feels like what it

37:42

Listening to your show feels like

37:44

what D&D feels like When I'm

37:46

playing it with my friends Like

37:51

in my head the imagination like yeah that

37:53

character Sure, my DM can't do

37:55

a fucking Scottish accent to save his fucking

37:57

life, but in my head Nailing

38:00

yeah, yeah, so like I really applaud

38:02

that your show really goes above and

38:04

beyond and then This

38:07

show is such a fun creative way to

38:09

do it Like I guess doing it with

38:11

puppets instead of just doing it because you

38:13

also do an animated version of the show

38:17

Tales from the sea dragon animated right

38:19

yeah, cuz we were like At

38:22

one point we were gonna divide and conquer and be

38:24

like okay We'll do puppets and the other person does

38:26

animated and then we'll just kind of off and on

38:28

do that And then puppets just took off and we

38:31

were having so much fun puppets We're just like we'll just

38:33

do puppets so then we're gonna have to make the full

38:35

show We're like well in the meantime. We still want to

38:37

release content. Let's do some animated stuff So our

38:39

animation team started doing those and we're like yeah

38:41

puppets This is great the animation

38:43

like doubling the views that our puppet

38:45

videos were it was like shit. Maybe

38:48

we should But

38:52

yeah our animated stuff is awesome, and if that's all

38:54

of our animation team they do like RTA Oh,

38:57

yeah, they do an incredible job of I

39:00

mean I just we got done You

39:03

know making new episode or we are in the process.

39:05

I should say of making more episodes of camp camp.

39:07

Yeah Which

39:09

is a show that I got to work on and I actually got

39:11

to see An episode

39:13

that I helped write on be animated

39:15

like I saw it go from an

39:17

animatic to You know like

39:19

early animation and then recently I was talking with

39:22

Ariel Again another name

39:24

drop and watching the episode the

39:26

first one that means anything though Watching

39:28

the episode fully come to life

39:31

and be like really a

39:33

great animated project I don't know. It's

39:35

just so watching those people work is

39:38

incredible. Yeah, it's awesome. They're very good at what they do so

39:42

Why puppets for for tales from the stinky

39:45

drag? I mean it doesn't really have anything

39:47

to do with I think they aren't puppets.

39:49

Yeah, they were so I mean

39:51

the story happened at all You

39:55

know John and Micah are brothers

39:57

yeah both work on the show And

40:00

their mom- Patty. Yeah,

40:02

Patty for fun. And

40:05

just like, you know, to support them,

40:07

made dolls of the characters. So the

40:09

whole family's a bunch of fucking nerds.

40:12

Yeah. Interesting. And then sent

40:14

them to us, and they was like, oh,

40:16

these are awesome. Well, she started with Mudd's

40:18

doll, or John's doll, which is Mudd, and

40:20

he's on the far left. And then

40:22

she was like, well, I just might as well make the whole

40:24

crew. And then, yeah, she sent them to him as gifts. So

40:26

we all got them in the office, and Gus has one as

40:28

well. And it was like, that was cool.

40:31

And then, we were talking

40:33

about ways to promote the show and get it out

40:36

there. Because it was one of the things where we

40:38

knew the show was really good, but

40:40

it's just like getting it discovered is

40:43

always a challenge. Oh, yeah. And

40:47

we had those dolls. I think it was Barbara who

40:49

was a fan of Potter puppets. Potter

40:52

pals, yeah. Potter pals. Potter puppet pals. Yeah,

40:54

and then mentioned, oh, we should

40:56

do a video like that. Well, she made

40:59

one, and then she hated it. She

41:01

made like there was a curtain and everything,

41:03

and she tried puppeting it. And it was

41:05

very minimalist, no set builds, no fancy camera

41:08

work. And she was like, I fucking hate

41:10

this. That's what it is. But

41:13

then, me and Blaine

41:15

were there film degrees. We're

41:17

going to make it. We're going to plus this

41:19

stuff. We're going to make these kids stars. And we

41:22

just shot it like a movie. We

41:24

started shooting them like shit, as

41:27

cinematically as possible. And

41:32

adapting into a full show, we like

41:35

upped it even more. Oh, yeah. We

41:37

were like, well, we got to make it good. It's weird how

41:39

it went full circle, too, because the team that

41:42

works on RTAA did the animations because the puppet

41:44

videos were doing so well, and we continued to

41:46

do that stuff. But back when I

41:48

was an intern, I made a puppet

41:51

video with bobbleheads that we were selling in the

41:53

store. And he was like, Brandon, you

41:55

and Brandon were like, we need to sell bobbleheads. Can you

41:57

come up with a way to make a video for these

41:59

dumbass And I was like, okay sure so

42:01

I made an RTA a but with puppets and

42:04

then now it's like going full circle They're making game.

42:06

I don't know. Anyways, I thought that was like animated

42:09

out of the puppets. Yeah, kinda I don't know is

42:11

like a weird how it started that

42:13

way but the I think the

42:15

the what's fun about it to me is

42:17

I I From

42:19

a just like Storytelling it's like

42:21

you can kind of tell whatever story you want

42:24

because it's also such a small scale and

42:26

you can make it as big and epic as

42:28

you want and It's

42:31

writing wise you can kind of do whatever.

42:33

No But

42:35

like you're a lot you have a lot more freedom than Then

42:38

you might just if you're gonna shoot a live

42:40

action. Yeah, but you can't say like oh this

42:42

character does like Because

42:45

the fist fights them just going no It's

42:50

I think that there's let's just say there's an

42:52

element of we have to think about how the

42:55

puppets can be puppeted When we're writing a scene

42:57

like I think that there's like limitations in the

42:59

way that we physically portray some of the action

43:02

But yeah, I think it's interesting. Yeah that

43:04

like you said because one

43:07

of the one of the key

43:09

components of D&D is a game is

43:11

the combat, you know And

43:13

you really can't do combat have Combat

43:16

can't be the central focus of your show or

43:18

it can it just has to be interesting the

43:21

way that you display Dodie

43:23

was the first episode half

43:26

that there was a good like four

43:28

five minute Combat acting

43:31

sequence Yeah But that took forever to film and

43:33

shoot and edit like you couldn't do all of

43:35

it like that And it was very had to

43:37

be very like kind of it was

43:39

just hard to challenge it All right It was funny though

43:41

because once you release that episode I think someone in the

43:43

comments was like I like how they treated this as if

43:45

it was a combat situation in D&D Because each character has

43:47

their own individual like turn and I

43:50

was like Just

43:53

the way that it has to go. Yeah. Yeah. Well

43:55

that so I mean that's really cool and

43:57

all it does kind of shut down my idea for puppet

44:00

Jason Bourne. Thank you. Oh

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46:11

you were making the show, the puppet

46:13

show obviously, do you feel like

46:15

you had to, because

46:18

the Tales from the Stinky Dragon itself

46:21

is not necessarily like

46:24

a super explicit adult oriented show

46:26

all the time? Like there's some

46:29

adult jokes with that, but

46:31

it's not like you're not saying fuck every other word.

46:33

No, not like this show. Yeah, I think it's like

46:35

it's, to

46:38

me, it's like you can make it

46:41

some, we keep it

46:43

family friendly, you know? Is this the podcast

46:45

or the podcast? Both. Yeah, but we, it's

46:47

like there'll be jokes that to my head,

46:49

like even as like watching stuff

46:51

as a kid that would come like cartoons and stuff,

46:53

there'd be adult jokes in those that you didn't realize

46:55

as a kid that was like for adults,

46:58

but you just didn't, as long as it's not

47:00

explicit, if it's like subtext, then

47:02

it's like, oh, okay, a kid could watch this

47:04

and not know that they were

47:06

missing a joke. Yeah. But the adult would,

47:10

they'd catch it, but they wouldn't feel like they're exposing their

47:12

child to something gross. Yeah, it's not like explicit. We take

47:14

pride in the fact that that Stinky

47:16

Dragon Tales from Stinky Dragon and Stinky Dragon Adventures

47:18

are enjoyed by families, and we get that comment

47:20

often where it's like people are like, oh, we

47:22

loved this episode, I showed it to my kids

47:24

and stuff like that. Like, I think that that's

47:26

really fun that you can watch this with, you

47:28

know, younger generations and

47:31

stuff. But for me, whenever

47:34

we started doing Tales from the Stinky Dragon, there was a

47:36

couple of like cuss words that got slipped into like one

47:38

or two episodes. We've got since gone back and I

47:40

think like taking those out. But there

47:43

was a comment from this dad who was pissed and he's

47:45

like, bro, I wanted to listen to the show with my

47:47

kid and you keep dropping F bombs. Like what the fuck,

47:49

dude? And I was like, that struck a chord with me

47:51

and I felt so bad from then on. I was like,

47:53

I just don't want to cut. I mean,

47:55

there's I don't know. Anytime anyone brings that

47:57

up, I'm reminded of a story that. No

48:00

named up Chad James told me about

48:04

watching Jen lock with his

48:07

With his with his kids and then doing

48:09

season two and being like well You

48:12

can't watch daddy's cartoon anymore because daddy's

48:14

penis shows Well

48:17

the kids seen that No,

48:20

I'm just saying when you're you know, you're like a kid You

48:23

know what? Not

48:25

like it didn't have to be you know, like dad

48:28

will shower with their little kid You

48:30

know like and like what

48:32

living past that? I

48:36

understand what you understand. I'm saying like you're

48:38

a kid, you know, like yeah,

48:41

I do at a certain point Blaine

48:43

is wild and comfortable. Blaine is turning down his

48:45

his head phone. I'm dying right now. I do

48:47

remember Sorry, this is a cookie. I'm glad you

48:49

remember your dad. Okay. No, no, you shut up.

48:51

We're moving past that I do remember when Chad

48:54

left that recording He was white in the face

48:56

and I was like, how did it go because

48:58

we were super stoked because we both had very

49:00

minor characters And we were promised bigger parts in

49:02

season two Like

49:08

He had to record sex noises

49:10

he's like Well,

49:12

you had a similar situation you were

49:14

told me about what do you mean

49:16

when you had to record a sexy

49:18

with sensual noises, uh, you I had

49:21

a kissing scene with someone named chris

49:23

and Chris you've had sex

49:25

before right? Yeah And

49:28

when you're when you're having sex sometimes you

49:30

like you have to you know You have

49:32

to moan your partner's name. So that means

49:34

that blaine gibson had to moan his best

49:37

friend There's I

49:39

don't know if you watch season two, but there's a moment

49:41

where the my character's boyfriend

49:43

is named crit And

49:45

christian danger mortal danger and I

49:48

go chris I

49:53

remember reading that as like someone's fucking with me

49:55

right now. Oh my god. We should get your

49:57

penis in your pants

50:00

Yeah, yeah, I'm like I

50:04

Recently was having a conversation with

50:08

my partner About how

50:10

a lot of the art that I

50:12

enjoy is really dark and upsetting I

50:16

like things that are really upsetting I don't know

50:18

if you guys have been watching the curse Nathan

50:20

Fielder's new scripted show No, but I want to

50:22

I love Nathan So so

50:24

this show felt like it was made for me and I'm sure a

50:26

lot of other people feel the same way But it's it's

50:29

created and written by Benny Safdie

50:32

half of the Safdie brothers who created

50:34

uncut gems at a time dark shit

50:36

Yeah, they make really upsetting shit And

50:39

then the other half is Nathan Fielder who? Also

50:42

makes really dark and upsetting shit like most recently

50:44

the rehearsal which a lot of people were like

50:46

does this cross the fucking line super divisive and

50:48

I felt like it did I disagree

50:51

with it, but only because I Doesn't

50:54

matter point is is that like the

50:56

curse is a scripted show? Instead

50:58

of being Nathan Fielder's classic unscripted

51:00

and yes of it But

51:03

it is a meta absurdist

51:06

take on white savior complexes

51:08

especially pertaining to like reality

51:10

TV shows And

51:13

like the the need that people have to sort of

51:15

like help the community and the way that it does

51:17

that is by emphasizing the cringiness of

51:20

all of this stuff by sort of all

51:23

of the humor of that show comes through

51:25

the cringiness and It

51:28

is filmed in a way that is

51:30

extremely voyeuristic Like when you're watching the

51:32

show it feels like you're tailing somebody

51:37

Yeah, there's like a couple times

51:39

where it feels like the cameras

51:41

in a van across the street

51:43

super zoomed in There's a shot

51:45

in the pilot where you're watching

51:47

somebody through like a peephole of

51:49

a door like it feels Gross

51:52

and also there's multiple moments

51:54

where the scenes feel like they

51:56

should end like you're almost praying

51:59

like please Cut to the

52:01

next scenes keep going character will go

52:03

and another thing Dig

52:05

the fucking hole deeper. I

52:07

love that show. I have to

52:10

I have to be in the right headspace for it

52:12

There's been a couple times where I've started an episode

52:14

and go actually I have too much anxiety from the

52:16

real world to actually enjoy This right now, so I

52:18

got to press fucking pause I

52:20

like stuff that hurts to watch my

52:22

mother called uncut gems the best movie

52:25

that she never wants to see again

52:28

It felt like a two-hour long panic attack,

52:30

and I loved it. I loved every second of

52:32

it I felt completely engaged and there in the

52:34

moment the whole time I

52:36

love art that is hard to love

52:39

because I think those moments are just

52:41

I Think

52:43

when you're in fight or flight when you're in

52:45

panic. There's something so like Truly

52:49

human does that make sense so

52:51

like I love art that hurts

52:54

and a lot of other people really

52:56

like things that are Fun,

52:59

you know like I

53:01

remember my grandmother was like why would I pay why would

53:03

I go see uncut gems? Why

53:05

would I pay $23 to be upset and

53:08

I said like okay? Well sometimes art is upsetting

53:10

maybe you just go back to watching 30 Rock

53:12

for the fifth time in a row My

53:15

grandmother did not like that But

53:17

to be honest like people like that kind

53:19

of stuff people like like fun stuff and

53:21

I think it's really interesting that like I Have

53:27

a hard time finding things that

53:29

aren't troubling upsetting Super

53:32

emphasis on dramatic I have a hard time

53:34

feeling like they're like very art art You

53:36

know what I mean, but I watch your

53:39

show the and watch you guys make

53:41

this show which is essentially a puppet

53:44

Family show about a D&D podcast

53:46

and I go this is fucking

53:48

art Incredible and so

53:51

like I guess my question to you

53:53

guys is this like how do

53:55

you how do you feel about? Sort

53:58

of taking such a silly Doofy premise especially one

54:01

that started with like tiktoks and like turning it

54:03

into what I would truly call like sort of

54:05

elevated art Like you made a show. I think

54:08

like we both approached it in a way that

54:12

We're treating the characters very seriously And I

54:14

think that that's something that we've done with

54:16

the show as a whole it's like you

54:18

had these Ridiculously cute silly looking puppets, but

54:20

we want to make them like human and

54:22

have like real stories So like each episode

54:24

there's four episodes of season that

54:26

all are character based in their like Exploitions into

54:28

a person's past and like the traumas that's gone

54:30

through and just like You know like

54:32

a lot of soul searching and stuff like that

54:35

and they're like really dramatic episodes that I think

54:37

people don't Expect but I think that's way more

54:39

fun than just like silly goose the adventure Like

54:42

yeah, I mean, I think there's so much comedy to

54:44

be mined from drama. Yeah, you know like and and

54:46

if you don't have any then it's like Then

54:49

I mean you can something can be funny But it's

54:51

like you get a lot you can get

54:53

a lot more out of something that you're also

54:55

like, ooh, wow There's sure that kind

54:58

of hurts a little I guess yeah I

55:00

mean like the episode that you're

55:02

you have a big part in the episode that actually just came

55:04

out If this is Christmas that

55:07

just came out prior episode

55:09

seven It's the cardboard.

55:11

Yeah. Yeah, which actually is

55:14

really funny that you mentioned

55:16

so Andrew Rosas

55:19

Constantly says that the

55:21

that I think in

55:23

our Mondo's world The funniest thing is tragedy and

55:25

I think that's true when you we used to

55:27

make our Our sketches at the

55:29

beginning of the episode You could

55:31

tell when something was written by me because it

55:34

would involve a character that was basically

55:36

pushed to the farthest turmoil Yeah,

55:38

like about to either like they have

55:40

to kill or they are going to

55:42

be killed. It is upsetting It's awful.

55:44

I think that's so funny and the

55:47

kyborg episode or

55:49

the character that I played The

55:51

big part is like there's a you know,

55:53

like a death scene in it or maybe

55:55

not like a death scene necessarily But like

55:57

a really touching dramatic scene Where

56:00

like somebody is feeling something blame

56:02

and you actually both were there

56:04

when I was recording it was

56:07

I couldn't stop laughing every time

56:09

I will deliver this really heartbreaking

56:11

part rinsing line of like I

56:13

Give myself. There

56:18

is something funny and treads the lobby to

56:20

you yet? Also, you're doing a silly

56:22

voice. Yeah, you know what this is gonna

56:24

ultimately look like so sir. But I mean

56:27

like that's the the silly voice while

56:29

dying is what makes. That so for now

56:31

it is Yeah to the dichotomy of

56:33

a split of like this is one

56:35

it Like if you take this at

56:37

face value this is a person going

56:39

out and sacrificing themselves like doing this

56:41

thing the ultimate sacrifice and then their

56:43

voices legs I hope your eye to.

56:47

Eye out of Years in my goal to

56:49

make some people on people cry said I've

56:52

actually teared up a couple times while reviewing

56:54

seven And like other elements of the other

56:56

episodes where I'm like an says like this

56:58

and touching stuff, it's really fun but like

57:01

I mean as there's an there's it the

57:03

absent for that's based on Flower Child for.

57:07

Other Earths A there's There's a whole little

57:10

more like a young I'm like the silliest,

57:12

dumbest character and showed he just like the

57:14

most serious monologue. It's like very like existential

57:17

when you're like. Jesus Christ

57:19

who said it expected republish out. I

57:21

mean that's what I that's that's what

57:23

I mean about it. were like it

57:25

is. It is a puppet show. It

57:27

is goofy. It is extremely silly, but

57:29

years aren't afraid to like. You know,

57:31

make people. As stupid

57:33

as the sounds feel something yeah, and I

57:35

know that sounds like I'm being facetious like

57:37

you did earlier with your wow. That

57:40

Legos or but I genuinely mean

57:42

it like it's you know, your

57:44

basic stuff of a flowers for

57:46

Algernon for the fuck make? Yeah,

57:48

I'm a firm belief that like

57:50

I appreciate when people consider my

57:52

time when I'm consuming, content or

57:54

watching something. out to be considerate of

57:57

people's time when they're watching ourselves so like i

57:59

want to take Seriously and like like

58:01

I want to make this look good

58:03

and elevated and stuff like that even though

58:06

it's a silly puppet show It's like basically

58:08

live-action cartoon we It's

58:10

my goal is to make it look like Yeah,

58:13

it's like we were not goofing around. We're not here to

58:15

waste your time We don't want to tell you like a

58:17

touching cool story sure I mean I

58:20

recently we had Jeff

58:22

Ramsey on the podcast about It

58:26

would have been in 2006 but Jeff

58:30

Ramsey on you can laugh at that We

58:35

had Jeff on who you know Jeff really

58:37

likes making podcasts I think he's good at

58:39

it Jeff said that in in

58:42

a perfect world. He would be the new

58:45

Howard Stern which I feel like makes the

58:47

most sense. Yeah, you know he's very having

58:49

a conversation with him is really good It

58:52

flows really well. He's got a lot of

58:54

insights and stories You know you

58:56

don't look like that without picking up a few

58:58

interesting life stories like Howard

59:00

Stern or Joe but

59:03

I Mentioned

59:05

in that episode of like I have

59:07

no real interest in fully making podcasts

59:10

like forever You know I don't I

59:12

think the podcast medium is an interesting one But

59:15

what I really love about Like

59:18

we talked about earlier like meta absurdism is

59:23

one of the techniques that

59:25

Nathan Fielder uses when he's making

59:27

shows is understanding

59:29

the rules of the show that

59:32

the show format that he's making

59:34

and Flipping those

59:36

around and turning them on its head We're

59:39

like the first project from YouTube bullies that

59:41

I ever listened to or was a part

59:43

of or was made aware of was Good

59:46

morning from hell, which was essentially

59:49

an interview podcast

59:52

But one that that took a strange

59:55

approach where you were playing a

59:57

man sent to hell and your

59:59

punishment was to create a podcast

1:00:01

where you would interview every person in

1:00:03

hell. Uh, every guest that you

1:00:06

had on would then take on the role

1:00:08

of a character and you would, uh, never

1:00:10

drop the bit, you know, it was never,

1:00:12

yeah, it was, it was interviewing these people

1:00:14

as if they were truly those people. Um,

1:00:17

and I think the interesting part of

1:00:19

an interview podcast is that you get

1:00:22

to learn about somebody, but you forego

1:00:24

that. And what you get instead is

1:00:26

this incredible like piece of improv and

1:00:29

comedy where everyone's playing a bit, everyone's

1:00:31

playing a character. You're still using the

1:00:33

rules in the format of what the

1:00:35

thing that you're, you know, parodying, but

1:00:37

you forego its intended purpose for making

1:00:39

comedy. And I always thought, I don't

1:00:42

know, it's always really

1:00:44

neat to see what you boys do because you

1:00:46

take formats and play with them. And I think

1:00:48

that's really interesting. Yeah. I

1:00:50

missed him working from hell. Yeah.

1:00:52

Yeah. Yeah. We, that was, that was, that was like,

1:00:54

that was like all pandemic. That was like our project

1:00:56

that we worked on. Um, I wish

1:00:59

it hadn't, I do wish we'd done more in person

1:01:01

because it's so fun to record. I

1:01:03

wish we could have done more live stuff because

1:01:05

we had, we had an RTX panel where it

1:01:07

was Sunday church service, but it was for good

1:01:09

morning from health. So everything again was like flip

1:01:11

on its head. The

1:01:14

gospel portion we made, we made everyone sing

1:01:16

highway to hell. I think, uh,

1:01:19

but like, yeah, that was such a fun

1:01:21

show. And that was where we met a

1:01:23

ton of people like you and page. And

1:01:25

like, uh, we, we made so many connections

1:01:27

to that show. Such a blast man. But

1:01:29

yeah, no, like good morning from hell is

1:01:31

a lot of fun, but I think that we're both having a

1:01:33

lot of fun on, uh, sure. Do

1:01:36

you ever think about like, what's next after

1:01:38

this? Yeah. I mean, I'm, I think you

1:01:40

always gotta be working on something new, right?

1:01:44

I guess I'm, you know, you, you mentioned like podcasting

1:01:47

versus like, you don't consider yourself, Oh,

1:01:49

I'm a podcaster for a life. I

1:01:52

just consider it's more like storytelling, right?

1:01:54

And it, I can do whatever format

1:01:56

or medium that I, that it

1:01:59

set the opportunity. opportunity allows. Sure.

1:02:02

And I

1:02:04

like to, in an environment

1:02:06

where you can't have an infinite budget and you're just

1:02:08

trying to, if you just want to get something made,

1:02:10

I always look at like, what do I have available

1:02:12

to me and what can I do with that? That's

1:02:16

kind of like, so to me

1:02:18

it's like, oh, good morning from hell. That came out

1:02:20

of, well, I want

1:02:24

to tell like bigger stories, like larger than life

1:02:26

stories and it's like, well, I could do that

1:02:29

on a podcast. Yeah. Cause you

1:02:31

don't have the burden of the, you know, the visual. You

1:02:34

can just do whatever as long as

1:02:36

you have a talented, you know, audio

1:02:39

format editor. And again, like that, we made those

1:02:41

into like, like the last like three episodes of

1:02:43

that are like, like, there's like a fight and

1:02:45

a bunch of other stuff, like a war. And

1:02:48

like, we like made it a full radio play. Like we worked

1:02:50

so hard on that edit to make it sound like they're

1:02:52

in the middle of the battlefield and stuff. And

1:02:55

it was just like, it was like, yeah, we,

1:02:57

it's the pandemic. We couldn't go and film anything.

1:02:59

So we're just like, let's just, if you close

1:03:01

your eyes, this sounds like you're in the middle

1:03:03

of like a movie, you know? Sure. Yeah.

1:03:06

We've, we took, you know, a lot of inspiration

1:03:08

from you both when we started doing the

1:03:10

podcast. You

1:03:13

know, when we, when we took over RTP, we were

1:03:15

told that we should make it into its own thing

1:03:17

and that we were like supposed to be spearheading this

1:03:19

change in the way that the company was making stuff.

1:03:21

We pitched a bunch of shows. I mean, you boys

1:03:23

too were in for brief amount of time. We're in

1:03:27

a pro dev with us when we were pitching

1:03:29

out all those shows. Unfortunately,

1:03:31

we were told that every show that we pitched

1:03:33

would be really good as a podcast segment. So

1:03:35

we should just do that. But

1:03:38

yeah, we took this show that,

1:03:41

you know, to

1:03:44

be completely candid at a certain point, you

1:03:46

know, people just want to stop doing. Like I think

1:03:49

that what happened with RTP is a lot of people

1:03:51

ran out of stories to tell, ran out of things

1:03:53

to do. And

1:03:55

they wanted it to, you know, sort of

1:03:58

have a refresh or allow itself to. be

1:04:01

taken over by like new blood so that

1:04:03

old blood could go live and then come

1:04:06

back and tell new stories. But what we

1:04:08

wanted to do is we wanted to like

1:04:10

make a whole new show thinking that like,

1:04:12

you know, one of the issues with like

1:04:14

shows like RTP is that they RTP

1:04:17

is one of the longest running podcasts

1:04:19

I think ever. Right? Yeah, it's it's

1:04:21

insane how fucking long it is. But

1:04:25

you have this thing where like when it started, it

1:04:27

was, hey, come hang out with

1:04:29

the guys who made Red versus Blue. And then

1:04:31

it became like, hey, come hang out with the

1:04:33

crew of Rooster Teeth, the people that make your

1:04:35

favorite stuff. But now in the

1:04:38

way that podcasts work, you can't really do

1:04:40

that. Because one, who the fuck are we,

1:04:43

you know, and then two, we've been named

1:04:45

dropping some pretty big names. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:04:47

internally. Yeah. But

1:04:50

if you you know, if you don't know who the

1:04:52

three of us are, then we have to create a

1:04:54

show that appeals to you from an outside perspective. So

1:04:56

we took that idea

1:04:58

and sort of ran with it, incorporating

1:05:01

these different shows that we wanted to make, incorporating

1:05:03

these different sketches that we wanted to make. And

1:05:07

then slowly got them stripped away as you know,

1:05:10

the company decides, you know, this isn't working, we'll

1:05:12

do this, we'll move this over there. I

1:05:14

don't know. We have

1:05:16

always tried to use

1:05:19

what we have at our availability to like

1:05:21

make this stuff. Like when we made the

1:05:23

show, we did the first cold open. It

1:05:25

was like a ripoff

1:05:27

parody of like good fellas,

1:05:30

which is something that I had always wanted to do. It

1:05:34

was just funny because the

1:05:36

opening like opening like good fellas

1:05:39

as long as I've always wanted been wanting to be a

1:05:41

gang. I've always wanted to rip off that thing. As far

1:05:45

as I can remember, I've always wanted to rip

1:05:47

off. Yeah.

1:05:52

And then what I think is really interesting is

1:05:54

they went, Oh, cool. You get some to sketch.

1:05:56

That's awesome. We can do that every so often.

1:05:58

Then we did that every. week week Good

1:06:02

sketches they were One they

1:06:05

were the blade runner one is one of

1:06:07

my favorites and I like learned I don't

1:06:09

know that was so fucking hard learning I

1:06:11

learned after effects for that sketch to

1:06:13

put in the fucking blade runner eyes a

1:06:16

detail for no I

1:06:19

know and I appreciate that I just you

1:06:21

know It's really funny when you do like

1:06:23

there's so many little things in that sketch

1:06:25

We're like I spent an hour making a

1:06:28

realistic cracked scream for a joke It's

1:06:30

a visual joke that applies to know what the

1:06:32

bit being we did The

1:06:34

Voight comp test but we called it the vato

1:06:36

Compton test to tell if Andrew was Mexican or

1:06:39

not because he is Mexican But he's you know

1:06:41

white and so that was the bit

1:06:43

and there's so many little dog whistles where like

1:06:46

he drives the 98 Honda He

1:06:48

has a cracked iPhone 3 He's

1:06:51

dating a girl with the set that like there's all these little

1:06:53

things and so like I spent an hour Photoshopping

1:06:56

a realistic cracked iPhone screen picture so that

1:06:58

he could put it on his phone and

1:07:00

it could be seen Yeah, a visual bit

1:07:02

for half a second. Oh, well you get

1:07:04

going going back to what I was saying

1:07:06

though It's like you take something deadly serious

1:07:08

and you put a ton of effort into

1:07:10

it and like that quality shines through and

1:07:12

I Think that people appreciate that like yeah

1:07:14

like Again

1:07:16

puppets we're spending hours on one

1:07:19

stupid shot where something dumb

1:07:21

happens like There's value

1:07:23

in that I think that that's all right

1:07:25

I think watching what you guys do inspires

1:07:27

me to try to make better stuff because

1:07:29

I see What you're just

1:07:31

fuck up both? I

1:07:34

see what you do in like what you're what

1:07:36

you're able to I see what

1:07:38

you're given and what you're able to make out Of what

1:07:41

you're given and what you use is You

1:07:43

use every piece of the animal to

1:07:46

you know every part of the budget

1:07:48

You are fucking scraping pennies from the bottom

1:07:50

of the jar. You're putting ramen in from

1:07:52

five days ago You

1:07:55

got a hundred and twenty year old cartoon Tik Tok

1:07:57

and Yeah,

1:07:59

it's But you're using your like

1:08:01

incredible skill and power like of

1:08:03

both Storytelling and like know how

1:08:05

of how to like make compelling

1:08:07

stuff. Yeah And it's just so

1:08:09

fun to watch I mean the show is so fun

1:08:12

to listen to because like I said, it takes itself

1:08:14

so seriously But in a way that isn't

1:08:16

you know dumb or yeah stupid

1:08:18

in a way that you roll your eyes

1:08:20

at it cuz you're like, okay Yeah, let's

1:08:22

chill out. It's both completely self-aware of what

1:08:24

it is. It's a it's a fucking puppet

1:08:26

show for D&D But within

1:08:28

that it is I don't know It's very

1:08:31

similar to shows like a you know Adventure

1:08:33

Time that was that was when I like

1:08:35

I was like I was

1:08:37

like I came to play like hey I think we

1:08:39

should adapt it and I think it should be like

1:08:41

this format Before we even were writing Chris invited me

1:08:43

over his place and he's like, let's just watch cartoons

1:08:46

You know like we watch Adventure Time. Yeah, we're like, we

1:08:48

were like, hey, let's let's watch the kind of shows

1:08:50

that we will not make I

1:08:53

feel like Adventure Time is such a great. Yeah, it's

1:08:56

such a good comparison because it's a show that starts

1:08:58

off completely funny goofy

1:09:00

childish Etc. It's a

1:09:02

cartoons cartoon And then the more you watch it

1:09:04

the more you realize that all these pieces fit

1:09:06

together and also The fact

1:09:08

that like have you both ever read

1:09:11

the show Bible like before before they

1:09:13

started making episodes I've entered time. Yeah,

1:09:15

no, I'll send it to you if

1:09:17

you want. Yeah highly it's regarded As

1:09:21

one of the best show Bibles because you can

1:09:23

see that from the very beginning all of this

1:09:25

stuff was planned Yeah, like you can see Parts

1:09:29

of it that makes sense. One of

1:09:31

my favorite parts is the Lich King Because

1:09:34

he got me into Adventure Time I'm in

1:09:36

the thick of season four right now I

1:09:38

just do not spoil anything because I love

1:09:40

that show so much. You know who the

1:09:43

Lich. Yeah, I know who the Lich is

1:09:45

Okay, this is not a spoiler at all.

1:09:47

Okay, but the the show Bible is colorful.

1:09:49

It's bright It's like reading a children's book

1:09:51

really fun And then you turn the page

1:09:53

and the Lich King it's a white page.

1:09:55

It is scribbled on It looks like somebody

1:09:58

drew the list Evan in a match Add

1:10:00

further. That's so cool. Like, it's

1:10:02

so upsetting. It has no color, and

1:10:04

it just, the first words on it

1:10:06

is, the Lich King is not fun.

1:10:08

The Lich King is not funny, goofy.

1:10:11

There's nothing good about it. It is death incarnate.

1:10:13

It is inevitable. It will happen. It cannot be

1:10:15

stopped. That's fucking right. It just, it's the whole

1:10:17

rest of the book is such a fun, colorful

1:10:19

thing. And you have one page where it goes,

1:10:21

death is inevitable and it will happen to you

1:10:24

and everyone you love, and there's nothing that you

1:10:26

can do to stop it. The best you can

1:10:28

do is delay it, but eventually it will come

1:10:30

for you and everyone you know. And then you turn the

1:10:32

page and it's like, Prince is out of the gum. I

1:10:36

think that's such like a, I

1:10:38

don't know, I think it's fucking awesome. I think it's incredible.

1:10:40

And it shows the forethought that goes into shows like this.

1:10:43

We watched a lot of it at the end of your

1:10:45

time. We watched Regular Show, which is like Mordecai

1:10:47

and Rigby. I fucking love those shows. James you couldn't

1:10:49

tell. It's shit. I love his

1:10:51

style. And then Steven Universe is another big

1:10:53

inspiration as well. Yeah. Steven

1:10:55

Universe is one of those shows where it's like, oh, this is fun. It's

1:10:58

a team of like Power Ranger type people that are

1:11:00

based off of these magical gyms. And then you get into shit

1:11:02

where it's like, like

1:11:05

parents and interpersonal

1:11:07

relationships and friendships turning into relationships. And it's just

1:11:09

like, oh my God, this show is so heavy.

1:11:12

Like that show made me cry. Yeah. It

1:11:14

messed me up. I think it's an

1:11:16

incredible show. I remember God,

1:11:19

speaking of D&D shows, we,

1:11:22

when I worked at Funhaus, I helped launch

1:11:25

a show called Must Be Dice that was

1:11:27

supposed to be a one off season mini

1:11:29

series. Basically

1:11:33

the idea was to do, actually what's

1:11:35

really funny is Chris and I independently came

1:11:38

up with the same idea of doing

1:11:41

something that I won't say in case you

1:11:43

want to keep making it. Yeah. But

1:11:46

I pitched, I was like, hey Armando, what do you

1:11:48

think of this pitch, this idea

1:11:50

that I have? And you're like, are you messing

1:11:52

with me? Yeah. I was like,

1:11:54

what are you talking about? I was like,

1:11:56

I pitched that. I pitched almost the exact

1:11:58

same like concept. ago. Well then that

1:12:01

means you guys gotta collaborate on it. That's

1:12:03

what we said. Yeah. But yeah, I had

1:12:05

come up with an idea that tied the seasons

1:12:07

together but it didn't, you know, I was

1:12:10

told that it was too grandiose,

1:12:14

too much of an idea that maybe

1:12:16

couldn't be pulled off. I remember

1:12:18

a couple years ago I went to,

1:12:22

when I was at Funhouse, I went to Omar and I said I

1:12:24

want to do a three-part

1:12:28

horror Halloween themed

1:12:30

tabletop game and

1:12:33

I pitched an idea where it was like

1:12:35

three different stories that

1:12:37

were sort of connected but took place

1:12:40

over different generations of time and then

1:12:42

the Fierce Street fucking Goosebumps movie came

1:12:44

out on Netflix that year and I

1:12:46

went, okay never

1:12:49

mind, actually. That is the worst when

1:12:51

you see shows like that happen. I've

1:12:53

got three ideas cooking in the back

1:12:55

of my mind for movies that I

1:12:57

want to make and every time I

1:12:59

see a trailer where it's like, you

1:13:01

know, a group of teens use this

1:13:03

magical thing, fuck, fuck. I could

1:13:05

have written that two years ago and I didn't

1:13:07

and then now someone else made it. It feels

1:13:10

so fucking stupid. So I switched it. When I

1:13:12

used to, I was in this

1:13:14

program with Nickelodeon learning

1:13:16

how to do cartoon stuff and

1:13:19

I had

1:13:21

written a concept that I liked

1:13:23

so much that I actually scrapped

1:13:25

it from turning it into

1:13:27

like the Nick people so that I pitched something completely

1:13:30

different because I was like this is actually a really

1:13:32

good script. You just want to just bake on that

1:13:34

a little bit. Yeah, I don't want them to have

1:13:36

it. Also, I think it's a little more adult and

1:13:39

so I had wrote the written the show

1:13:41

which the easiest way to explain it is

1:13:43

like Stranger

1:13:46

Things, animated Stranger Things in

1:13:48

the 90s. It

1:13:50

was like the easiest way to explain it.

1:13:52

It was very different though. It didn't have

1:13:54

the same like plot structure, whatever. And I

1:13:57

did an episode that I wrote from that as

1:13:59

the three part. Thing we

1:14:01

did it we used a system called dread which

1:14:03

I really liked which is instead of rolling dice

1:14:05

You have a giant Jenga tower and every time

1:14:07

you have to do something You

1:14:09

that your character wouldn't just normally be able

1:14:11

to do or if you're doing it under

1:14:13

pressure You have to pull up Jenga block.

1:14:15

That's great And like if it's extra bad

1:14:18

you have to pull like to Jenga block

1:14:20

And you wouldn't you know when you tell

1:14:23

people this like when I told fun house

1:14:25

they went okay. Yeah Jenga sure like that

1:14:27

Okay, whatever, but then you get into it, and

1:14:30

you're like I have to jump over a

1:14:32

branch This towers about to fall fuck and

1:14:34

if the tower falls your character just dies

1:14:36

That's the end of your care. I think that's a brilliant

1:14:38

because it's like it's a dice

1:14:40

roll you know How

1:14:43

many times have you made a dice roll and it's like

1:14:45

this is something? I'm perfectly competent at and then your dice

1:14:47

roll fails, and you're like I guess I also cuz like

1:14:49

for anyone anytime You can always fail at something. I think

1:14:51

it's like that. It's like that that chance

1:14:54

like you need those stakes You can never be

1:14:56

so good that you can't totally and I understand

1:14:58

that and valid, but

1:15:00

I also feel like The

1:15:02

Jenga thing is like there's like it

1:15:04

takes physical skill And there is something

1:15:07

more involved like you're more in touch

1:15:09

with that process sure would be just

1:15:11

a dice There's also

1:15:13

like right within it You're supposed to list

1:15:15

things that your character would be both proficient

1:15:17

and it like advanced that and I'm supposed

1:15:20

to as the DM Take that

1:15:22

into like consideration so like if your

1:15:24

character Would be good at

1:15:26

this thing. I actually don't need you to

1:15:29

roll. It's not like oh you do something

1:15:31

with advantage I go Yeah,

1:15:33

you would yeah, yeah And

1:15:38

I don't know I think it's so tense

1:15:40

because there's a visual like oh fuck This

1:15:42

is getting worse and the land and so

1:15:44

like I did that it was really fun

1:15:47

and then I did must be dice this show that like Expanded

1:15:50

on the universe and did other stuff

1:15:53

and was actually based on the show

1:15:55

itself But I changed things to

1:15:57

do stuff anyway making that show

1:15:59

is so fun because it was a

1:16:01

show that we made with story

1:16:03

in mind. Comedy was always gonna

1:16:05

be a part of it, because it's fun house,

1:16:07

and those people are unbelievably funny. Yeah, funny people,

1:16:09

yeah. But the story elements of it were always

1:16:11

the part that I cared the most about. And

1:16:14

I don't know, I think there's

1:16:17

something so great about like, I

1:16:19

watched so much X-Files, I watched

1:16:21

so much horror movies, I

1:16:24

rewatched both versions of it, because

1:16:26

it has a huge sort of

1:16:28

similarities in it. And

1:16:30

then the film Curry one as well. Yeah, it was like made for TV, right?

1:16:32

Yeah, it was a mini series. Which

1:16:34

I think is great, I love that so

1:16:37

much. Anyway, yeah,

1:16:40

I think there's something like, my favorite

1:16:42

part of working on any project is the

1:16:44

intake section in like before

1:16:46

pre-production when you're watching everything that's

1:16:49

ever been done within the same

1:16:51

genre or vibe as your show.

1:16:53

That's like your base of the mountain looking up

1:16:55

at the peak and how much work you have ahead

1:16:58

of you. But it is also one of those

1:17:00

things where like, the sky's the limit and like there are so many

1:17:02

things. Yeah, you haven't, there's all these unadulterated

1:17:05

ideas. All these unfiltered

1:17:07

ideas that you can like, everything's, there's

1:17:09

so much potential. And I'm gonna adulterate

1:17:12

them. I'm gonna adulterate these ideas. And

1:17:15

then you end up dead on that breath.

1:17:17

Yeah, yeah, your red boots

1:17:19

forever. I

1:17:21

also think that's another thing that is

1:17:23

so interesting is I watched

1:17:26

an interview with Neil Gaiman recently. Yeah.

1:17:31

Somebody asked him, how

1:17:33

different does your first draft look from your last

1:17:36

draft? Oh, I saw that in the video. Yeah,

1:17:38

and he says, well,

1:17:40

your first draft is just throwing shit at the

1:17:42

wall and figuring it out and making it work.

1:17:44

And then your last draft is going back and

1:17:46

making it look like you knew what you were

1:17:48

doing the whole time. Because when you start out

1:17:50

a story, like have where you think it's gonna

1:17:53

go and then you start figuring stuff out and

1:17:55

you find out that this piece works with this

1:17:57

piece and this can actually go over here. And

1:17:59

like, boom, boom. Boom and you work that together and

1:18:01

then you have your art you guys

1:18:03

created a story together because that's what

1:18:05

D&D is same with like My guys

1:18:07

yeah same with any D&D show is

1:18:09

is the DM has a story and

1:18:11

a way that it should go and

1:18:14

Then you have these shit-ass stupid

1:18:16

fucking players with their stupid dumbass

1:18:18

decisions and choices And

1:18:21

it's it's about adapting on the fly and I am joking.

1:18:23

I don't think that you guys are stupid I don't think

1:18:25

any player is stupid. I just think that it's one of

1:18:27

those things where like you truly cannot control the story It

1:18:30

is a collaborative story I think that there's validity

1:18:32

in calling me and Chris stupid because when you

1:18:34

look at all of our D&D podcasts our two

1:18:36

characters are the ones that get the most like

1:18:40

Yeah, but a lot of fun comes from that though. I think

1:18:42

that they're necessary Story

1:18:44

points, but anyways yeah No,

1:18:46

no, no, I just think that it's so interesting of

1:18:48

like you guys What

1:18:51

you get within stinky dragon

1:18:53

adventures is the ability

1:18:55

to sort of this is

1:18:57

your last path You know what I mean

1:18:59

like your first pass was doing the D&D

1:19:01

podcast show Yeah, and now you have the

1:19:03

ability to go back and go like yeah,

1:19:05

well This was

1:19:08

a good story, but we don't need

1:19:10

these three episodes of us sort of

1:19:12

fucking around door. Yeah, huh Interesting

1:19:14

that could actually just be five seconds.

1:19:16

It turns out Interesting

1:19:21

I don't know I think that's really cool. How do you

1:19:23

guys feel about that? Well? I mean I I think it

1:19:26

Because it is different from the podcast in some ways,

1:19:28

but it's like it's a different medium. Yeah, it's like

1:19:30

you you're talking about trying

1:19:33

to get the most out

1:19:35

of a of a Medium it's

1:19:38

like all right. Well. It's a visual storytelling. What

1:19:40

can you do visually? What's the most interesting way

1:19:42

to tell the story? Yeah, it's it's it's show

1:19:44

don't tell which is like a big rule when

1:19:47

you're yeah And it's very

1:19:49

much like okay. Well. How do we adapt

1:19:51

this? How do we get it started and? And the

1:19:54

podcast starts you know like works great for a

1:19:56

podcast indeed starts. You know kind of like a

1:19:58

wagon know, kind of

1:20:01

Skyrim like right, where their group

1:20:03

of people traveling, right. That's

1:20:07

not the most interesting way to tell that

1:20:09

story on a visual medium. Like how

1:20:11

do they meet, you know, it's like, so

1:20:14

we, it's just like different things like that.

1:20:16

Like what's the better ver,

1:20:18

what's the best version of this thing? Or how

1:20:20

do you just look down or, or something that

1:20:23

became an important plot point in the podcast. How

1:20:25

do you, how do, what's the best way of

1:20:27

telling that? Seating that idea. Yeah. Right. It's like,

1:20:29

oh, it might've been an item that got purchased

1:20:32

just at a store. Right. But what

1:20:34

would be the most interesting way of

1:20:37

that becoming an important

1:20:39

part of a character? We have, we

1:20:41

have a character that it's like becomes

1:20:43

the person's, uh, what is it? Not

1:20:45

a pet. It's like they're, um, sorry

1:20:47

about that. Yeah. Yeah. It adopts like a animal

1:20:49

and it becomes a big. Yeah. It's a thing

1:20:51

in D&D. I think you're familiar or something like

1:20:53

that. I'm not sure. Well, it's not a familiar,

1:20:55

but yeah, just a pet. Anyways, uh, in the

1:20:57

show, John just buys them at

1:21:00

a pet store, but then this, this

1:21:02

pet becomes a very emotional component of

1:21:04

that character and he becomes like integral

1:21:06

to that person's story. So then

1:21:08

Chris and I were like, what's, what's a better version of that? Better

1:21:12

for this format. Sure. What's

1:21:14

a, what's a way that we can make this

1:21:16

more emotionally, uh, do you want to,

1:21:18

you want to incorporate that, that important

1:21:21

part of the character? How do you make it part

1:21:23

of that character? Yeah. So it's like, well, let's

1:21:25

tell a story about the, those,

1:21:28

those two fighting. Sure. I'd say adapting and like,

1:21:30

there was a lot of stuff that we came

1:21:32

up with from scratch, but drawing from, uh, like

1:21:35

a wealth of information and story and

1:21:37

stuff like that was super helpful. I thought this is

1:21:39

a fun writing process for me. Cause it was just

1:21:41

like, we already had a blueprint,

1:21:44

a rough blueprint, but then we could just really deviate

1:21:46

and just be like, well, I want to renovate the

1:21:48

bathroom. That's

1:21:50

what I've done with, uh, I mean, when we

1:21:52

were working for Pro-Tif, pitching out the shows, one

1:21:54

of the things that I pitched, it was, uh,

1:21:57

an animated version of, uh, must be DICE's

1:21:59

Paradise. Just because it's like yeah,

1:22:01

it's this is I have the blueprint for it

1:22:03

I see where the story goes But now I

1:22:05

can do it the way that it should have

1:22:07

been like Incorporating the choices that the players made

1:22:09

into the story and the story that they made

1:22:11

the outcome become but also like I

1:22:13

can go back and you know like I Agree

1:22:17

with what you're saying What choice is not necessarily

1:22:19

better but better for the adaptation that you're making

1:22:21

for the new medium that you're making but my

1:22:24

argument would Be that like because

1:22:26

it is collaborative storytelling Telling everyone's working on

1:22:28

the fly and you're doing what works in

1:22:30

the moment This is your chance

1:22:32

to have a second pass to go over

1:22:34

it and go this worked and it was

1:22:36

good And I'm glad that we did it,

1:22:38

but how can we get there faster tighter

1:22:40

more efficient? And that's all

1:22:42

I mean again It's not a change of better

1:22:44

because it worked because you're right it works for

1:22:46

that format a real play D&D podcast It works

1:22:49

for that format. It's perfect for that format. I

1:22:51

guess like things like I Think

1:22:53

one of the first things I pitched to Blaine was like

1:22:56

because his character in the D&D show his

1:22:58

lost an arm and has like a Robotic

1:23:02

arm yeah, and I was like I and he's an

1:23:04

archer and I was like, I don't think he

1:23:06

should have his arm I fought so hard on this. I

1:23:08

was like, well, I mean that's like that's part of his character So

1:23:10

if he did okay, maybe we go an episode without it because I

1:23:12

think that there's something there But like he should

1:23:14

get it by like episode 3 or something like that Chris is like pushing

1:23:16

No, no, he should get the whole season without an arm. So I was

1:23:18

like not until 7 Well, you

1:23:21

say that I guess well spoilers. I mean he's

1:23:23

in the he's in the trailer He has an arm

1:23:25

he eventually gets an arm But it's like it is

1:23:27

the uphill journey and I think it makes that character

1:23:30

way more interesting. Yeah, especially cuz he couldn't jerk off

1:23:35

I've had a good talk really quick. I

1:23:38

just realized when you were talking about Your

1:23:40

idea of like having them or the way that

1:23:42

it worked of like starting like a Skyrim like

1:23:44

they start in In the

1:23:47

wagon in the travel I was like, huh

1:23:49

I I don't really love that like trope

1:23:51

of starting things and then I remembered that one

1:23:53

of the last things I worked on when I was at

1:23:55

funhouse was I was writing a cyberpunk

1:24:00

one-off season of must-be

1:24:02

dice and I realized that I

1:24:04

had the most cyberpunk introduction into

1:24:06

the story which was the like...

1:24:08

were they all in pods or

1:24:10

something? no so basically

1:24:13

what happens is the way that the story starts

1:24:15

is like you get these introduction to these characters

1:24:17

and then one by one they sort of get

1:24:19

like knocked out and

1:24:21

the way that they all meet each

1:24:23

other and the story starts is they

1:24:25

come back into consciousness and EMP is

1:24:27

hit these they're in the middle of

1:24:30

a job that they don't remember

1:24:33

and they were hit with something that

1:24:35

like EMP'd broke the chip in them

1:24:38

and throughout the story they find out

1:24:40

that the chip was basically allowing their

1:24:42

bodies to be remote controlled like robots

1:24:44

and so the whole story is them

1:24:46

trying to figure out who did it

1:24:49

and the way that I wrote the series

1:24:51

was each episode was a self-contained adventure that

1:24:54

could through completing the quest they would receive

1:24:56

a lead on the next thing that they

1:24:58

had to get slowly put the pieces to

1:25:00

the bubble together it was also just like

1:25:02

I learned from doing must-be dice paradise

1:25:05

path which was just one continuous story like

1:25:07

we leave off here next episode we pick

1:25:09

up here the show that I wanted to

1:25:12

have it was like we leave

1:25:14

off here where they have their new lead okay

1:25:16

next episode like now they're in the desert this

1:25:18

character has like a sniper like we start in

1:25:20

the action yeah you know I think is a

1:25:22

better way for that story to go

1:25:24

but yeah like the cyberpunk

1:25:26

version of waking up in in

1:25:28

the way and you're holding

1:25:30

a gun going which

1:25:33

I think is perfect um we

1:25:36

do have to wrap up here I've had such a

1:25:38

fun time with you boys next

1:25:40

time we're able to hang out I'll schedule

1:25:42

another podcast yeah I brought you

1:25:44

a gift did you really it's

1:25:47

ramen is it Merry Christmas

1:25:49

oh thank you I guess

1:25:52

what what is it I want to take a

1:25:55

guess thanks it's uh it's

1:25:58

is this a This

1:26:01

is like a toilet flusher Well

1:26:04

kind of but now the handle for

1:26:06

a toilet This

1:26:08

is a doorknob looks like a doorknob for a car

1:26:10

door. This is one of your many doorknobs This is

1:26:12

a this is the car door handle from your Your

1:26:15

Hyundai in there Oh

1:26:20

you broke one no oh

1:26:22

god is that why my

1:26:28

Well it stays

1:26:32

on the set forever so I

1:26:35

think I think my car is a fire Yes,

1:26:39

which is great because the last time you had

1:26:41

a car it got set on fucking fire. That

1:26:43

was you right? Or was that right? Okay, what

1:26:45

yeah? Jesus

1:26:47

Christ you are a you are a

1:26:49

fire hazard Boys

1:26:52

been so nice hanging out with you If

1:26:55

you The audience

1:26:57

are wanting to hang out

1:26:59

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1:27:03

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1:27:06

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1:27:09

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1:27:11

closing arguments? Website

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1:27:18

no closing arguments I Submit

1:27:22

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1:27:24

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1:27:28

a starter garden with all those seeds Anyway

1:27:35

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