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the red hook daily catch

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is not just the local news site it's

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hyper local one it serves exactly

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three zip codes in town of red hook

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in the new york hudson valley the net limited

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scope gives it freedom to go deep on

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the town board the school board profiles

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local farmers a restaurant opening

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it's doors so if you scroll through

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the website you might find headline

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her field for rhinebeck park inches

1:10

closer to spring construction but

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then this one ,

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inch closer daily catch correspondent

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declares quote i need to

1:20

find a weapon weapon wait

1:22

a minute new high school performing

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arts center springs to life with first

1:26

full production through the

1:28

darkness of war or ukrainian

1:31

correspondent exalts and holiday

1:33

flowers

1:33

for women

1:36

how did the red hook daily catch have

1:38

ukraine correspondent

1:39

gas from war has now arrived

1:42

at his doorstep or ukrainian president

1:47

right the station platform

1:49

to be raised to train level

1:52

why did the red hook daily catch need

1:54

a ukraine correspondents and how

1:56

did readers feel about these words dispatches

1:59

tucked in and train platform

2:02

that bees were not even

2:04

the most interesting questions to ask but

2:07

it is where our story begins

2:11

though you posted

2:13

a jar mean such just yet tell me the story

2:15

so in december of twenty twenty one

2:18

feeling overwhelmed with

2:20

the mayor was placing on myself in building

2:23

this newspaper i decided that i wanted

2:25

an editor

2:26

amelie sack are launched the daily catch in

2:28

june of twenty twenty one and by that

2:30

december she says she had more than one thousand

2:32

subscribers and she needed help

2:35

and i put an ad on journalism jobs

2:37

dot com and incomes

2:39

to my email and application

2:41

from a man in russia or

2:44

i thought it was russia did

2:45

get a bunch international

2:47

applications

2:48

know if we got know

2:50

international applications in fact

2:53

specifically asked for people who knew

2:55

the hudson valley

2:56

he opens his application

2:59

from a certain cabo cool yolk the forty

3:01

four year old journalists living not in russia

3:04

as she first thought but city of claim a tourist

3:06

in eastern ukraine the qualifications

3:09

were doubtful for the editor role

3:11

he been to the hudson nor to the

3:13

u s he didn't break or speak english

3:16

very well and it never

3:18

been an editor

3:19

it he said he'd love to

3:21

be the editor that i looking for

3:24

not , edit the stories of

3:27

american journalist but because he

3:29

could generate interesting stories

3:31

for us us his example

3:35

of what he could offer was

3:37

the could offer gone through the red sox

3:39

town board

3:40

a database

3:42

i don't even know where he found this

3:44

and he proposed a story with

3:46

data on how revenue from

3:49

dog permit licenses was down

3:52

and he thought that would be a perfect story

3:54

for the daily catch

3:57

yourself right

4:02

this guy in ukraine seem to care more about

4:04

the microtrends of red hook in

4:06

a lot of red hook local seem to

4:08

i send him and know and i said thank

4:10

you for the idea i don't think dog

4:12

permits or

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i'm great interest to me right now

4:15

but tell me more about

4:18

your database skills

4:20

emily had bigger plans for bottle than

4:22

a story about dog permits long before

4:25

she moved to red hook and launched the daily catch

4:27

to spend fourteen years as a reporter it

4:29

newsday she won an award for analyzing

4:31

patterns of the year of new york city subway delays

4:34

in college to study calculus and

4:36

advanced differential equations just for fun

4:38

the she wanted the daily catch to do more work

4:41

with data at the time she was working on

4:43

investigative feature about the twenty largest

4:45

landlords in red

4:46

i sent him a link to

4:48

the excel spreadsheet that i had and

4:50

i asked him if he could

4:52

queen three things to me that

4:54

could not make sense of the spreadsheet

4:56

said them more fifty thousand data fields

4:58

and less three hours

5:01

he had the entire thing figured out

5:03

he was filling in these really important

5:05

holes in the data

5:07

she paid for his work and look for other data

5:09

stories he could help decode

5:11

the problem self to a puzzle

5:13

i was trying to untangle who

5:15

he was

5:23

and disrupt inflation and

5:25

gregory warner

5:28

emily wondered why this

5:30

ukrainian guys he can set an interest

5:32

in this little town in the new york hudson valley

5:35

but a couple months later when russia invaded

5:37

ukraine was emily's turns

5:39

get curious about cobblestones

5:41

house

5:42

and i sent a note a powerful and inches

5:44

said

5:45

more about where

5:47

you live in ukraine so began

5:49

a partnership that would change both emily

5:52

and pavle and this community news sites

5:54

as emily would learn what topple was

5:56

really looking for when he reached out

5:58

to read

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just adds up that while

6:04

this is a surprisingly peaceful story

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about war there is one act of violence

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than his briefly described

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we're back with rough translation of gregory

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warner is ever spent time in the

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section of a news article you might recognize

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this comment why should i

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care or just sometimes who cares

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any newsrooms reporters often have to

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answer that question implicit the

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justifying the story or that story choice

7:23

the thing about local journalism

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if you care because it's there

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and your their the geography is the justification

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my role is not just that it is

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in nice if codes it's that it affects

7:36

the zip codes

7:37

hyper local stories for hyperlocal audience

7:39

that was emily's formula but public curiosity

7:42

the to challenge

7:44

he went to the trouble

7:45

the looking up this little

7:48

town of ninety hundred and six

7:50

people five hundred miles

7:52

away from his home town was so

7:54

endearing

7:56

i just

7:57

i wanted to know him i wanted to have tea with

7:59

him

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at least you to interview him that his neck

8:02

of the woods

8:03

right now it was cobbled turn to be suspicious

8:06

i ask

8:06

can i call you can i watch sap

8:09

you know he says we cannot why

8:12

because he doesn't feel he english well to

8:14

which i say no problem i'll get

8:16

translators to with us

8:18

no no he doesn't want to do that then

8:21

it becomes clear he's nervous

8:23

eventually they worked out a system emily email

8:26

questions

8:27

where exactly are you

8:30

harbor would answer in russian his mother tongue

8:32

amador

8:34

school bus to clay and then

8:38

he would run it through google translate and email

8:40

it back we hired a actor to

8:42

represent papa in english who are you? where

8:45

i live with my wife she's

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a very patient and hard working woman

8:50

she bakes breads at home we

8:52

, a small of domesticated quails

8:55

four cats and the yard dog

8:57

what is going on for two days

8:59

i was food and managed to by almost

9:02

fifty kilos kilos is a curious

9:05

to puzzles answers gillis

9:07

every item that shortened supply and

9:09

com and tourist there's a shortage

9:12

breadth toilet paper potatoes

9:14

clean water meat eggs

9:16

milk the detail told

9:18

the numbers and data points

9:20

in two days i walked almost forty miles

9:23

are you trying to get out know we

9:25

will not evacuate are homeless

9:27

here what sounds do you hear

9:30

now the city's quiet the

9:34

the most terrible sound and war

9:40

but silence is the most terrible

9:42

sound and war

9:48

reddit

9:50

can i have i read it out loud

9:52

to my husband i called a few people

9:54

and i said my imagining things

9:56

or is this really great thing

9:58

is you know

10:00

everyone loved but

10:03

what be hurt

10:07

not everyone

10:10

family published part of the interviewee to served

10:12

on february twenty six the third

10:14

day of the war

10:16

right away i had readers

10:19

writing in to us

10:21

letters

10:22

why is the daily catch covering

10:24

this story in ukraine

10:26

the to the new york times leave it npr

10:29

don't need to be in ukraine you need

10:31

to be down at the for meeting to find

10:33

out why the local donut shop is having so much

10:35

trouble getting their permit

10:37

emily new she continued to interview paavo

10:39

for a paper she may threaten the very

10:42

hyper local mission that she was trying to

10:44

achieve

10:44

a couple people said i'm not the subscribe

10:47

any more and one person one

10:48

we find to her recurring monthly

10:51

five dollar donation

10:52

on the other hand she couldn't help be

10:54

moved at this ukrainian guy is shown

10:57

such an interest in red life

10:59

what emily did not know

11:01

the getting under the skin of place with

11:03

something that pavle had done that

11:05

once or twice many

11:08

many times before and you look

11:11

at salonika to remove it so them someone who

11:13

loves solitude and i like being home

11:15

most of the time and put them in

11:17

my job as a journalist allows me to find

11:19

myself in places long

11:22

before he met emily hobble skill

11:24

with data analysis had landed him jobs

11:27

with media outlets ukraine and russia

11:29

kazakhstan and belarus he

11:31

analyze data about real estate in housing

11:34

trends the prevalence of hackers and u

11:36

f o sightings happy people seem

11:38

to be in one place for says another and

11:40

another does it to these deep dives into

11:42

places he the ming yan

11:44

they will have room for me the preferred way

11:46

to travel to have this virtual

11:50

so when i in this virtual

11:52

way traveled to new cd i opened

11:55

their website and i just look at how

11:57

people leave their whether it's a trip

11:59

the stock sweden would say you the

12:01

thong okay and what is that for town in california

12:04

alice geauga such a beautiful little

12:06

bitty town pick redone of english deport

12:09

you ten minutes and committee reports

12:11

and trail maps and look at their photos

12:14

find information about their daily life

12:16

start with their farmers market study the records

12:19

each data points of some paint a picture

12:22

that can inhabit followed same

12:24

time thing invisible our

12:26

, item is three point one one

12:30

of retirements and imagine

12:32

myself being one of the residence their it

12:36

gets a little

12:37

the in dublin subway happens

12:40

when it's windy

12:42

hi i'm out and

12:44

is it magical apps

12:47

colbert

12:51

was move the internet makes it possible to

12:53

travel around the world is and you can

12:55

notice things that even the local sometimes

12:57

don't see similar see similar

13:00

catching saints the locals miss

13:09

i've never spoken directly

13:11

with pavel we've been interviewing him over the last

13:13

few months sending him questions by email

13:16

which he answers with voice memos that

13:18

he makes and a cellphone and

13:20

, a little a policy is the news which

13:22

city of the puzzle pieces

13:25

wood when it's recordings are interrupted by sirens

13:27

ringing by sirens background to relocate

13:30

find a quiet place continue

13:34

other times he goes out just to record

13:36

the church bells in town and

13:42

then second home making tea with

13:44

his wife for

13:46

running a cold shower while his village this

13:48

village this water hobble

13:52

also captures the small moments of daily

13:55

life in his answers to emily's questions

13:57

and so a day after she published that

13:59

first the interview with pavel family

14:01

decided to publish a second and then the third

14:04

i just couldn't imagine a newspaper

14:07

even a hyper local one focused

14:09

on screen zip codes that has nothing

14:11

to say

14:12

about ukraine crisis she figured

14:15

you'd get a few more sights and sounds of

14:17

the opening days the war but her conversations

14:19

with bible were about to take a deep

14:22

right away he mentioned that he

14:24

and his wife would like to have children and

14:27

i'm trying to have a baby is shared

14:29

a lot of personal things with emily including

14:31

him pretty traumatic stuff that he went through the

14:34

tells her that when he a kid the father

14:36

attacked his mother with a knife that

14:38

are multiple times pobal

14:40

witness the whole thing the mother

14:42

lived but his dad went to prison

14:44

and papa grew up without him the

14:46

bullets from disagree with a stuck

14:49

on was the last year the bulk of to

14:51

knock on i mean and it was shortly after i

14:53

turned ten what happened up

14:55

a wall separated me from

14:57

others i stopped trusting anyone

14:59

trusting this distress created loneliness

15:02

after his family fell apart though the

15:04

country the soviet union

15:06

collapsed at the end of ninety ninety one

15:09

when kabul was a teenager he supported

15:11

himself by cigarettes and bulk reselling

15:13

them he could not afford to finish college

15:17

sure for some with will also i want to be my

15:19

best because as a child no one

15:21

told what as good and smart boy

15:23

you are now i have tried

15:25

to prove that i am on

15:28

a to myself the

15:30

experience is shaped pavel in ways that he

15:32

is still processing he describes himself

15:34

as a person with a limited range of emotions

15:37

he doesn't like crowds are big cities he

15:39

yelled deserves for the last fifteen years

15:41

i have practically never left com adults

15:44

and lead in my house and take

15:46

care of my garden center which

15:48

emily

15:52

was learning more and more about hobbles life

15:55

she was also dealing with some disgruntled readers

15:57

to don't about that's going

15:59

on

15:59

ukraine a day care a lot

16:02

what's happening

16:03

the amtrak station

16:05

and i responded we

16:08

will do folks we

16:10

are not gonna ignore any

16:12

stink locally and never

16:14

gonna turn my back on the three

16:16

zip codes

16:19

emery wondered how could she get her readers

16:21

to care about far away pavle

16:24

hi for had we're

16:26

going to tell the story about the in if

16:28

people don't want to read it does skip it and

16:30

i'll go back to the story about the local town board

16:32

meeting

16:42

i learned immediately

16:44

this is this walking every third

16:47

day six , each

16:49

direction to the dot shock

16:51

to see this cat cat

16:55

as possible to record this journey for us to

16:57

his daughter is country holes in the village

17:00

of military com which emily

17:02

following bible says with the russian pronunciation

17:04

mother to mother any weight

17:06

is cat dora lives

17:08

there alone because he says dora

17:11

did not get along with the other three cats that

17:13

live in their house is all boys

17:16

school my morning

17:18

sort of us morning

17:20

was upset with anything like that

17:23

i would accept that there's this cat

17:25

living in motor neuron

17:27

who

17:30

he apparently cares about the who is

17:32

living with no human beings and doesn't

17:34

see a human for three days at a time

17:39

how about this badge about feeding his cat

17:41

was published on march third a week into

17:44

the the headline was as

17:46

russians approaches town the cadmus

17:48

still be said

17:51

it was a leap of faith on my part

17:53

that it would either feel relevant

17:55

right away or it would become relevant

17:58

and it became relevant very

18:00

quickly because we got feedback from readers the

18:02

were really interested in what gonna

18:04

happen to the can

18:05

the

18:07

they write a messages the

18:09

remains concerned about the welfare of his cat

18:11

speaks of his humanity is

18:12

any way to get free and take preventative

18:15

to pavel

18:16

i speechless by this man's vivid

18:18

heartfelt accounts over the next

18:20

few weeks readers retreated to more dispatches

18:22

from daily routine the

18:24

morning exercise out in the garden with

18:27

his dog and his other cats i was

18:29

learning that he spends

18:31

a nunchucks is

18:34

, for a weapon to protect

18:36

himself from bandits he ends up with a toy

18:38

gun and a screwdriver his concerns

18:41

about explosions missile strikes

18:43

power outages good luck purple

18:46

and may your heart stay warm despite

18:48

your cold showers and argument

18:50

was scared to his wife and admission

18:52

of frayed nerves here resilience

18:54

is amazing pavel as

18:56

as best as i wonder about your

18:58

wife and your country often to

19:01

the reader is the answer their questions bush

19:04

a civil me up a level most the well i like

19:06

answering their questions about my garden

19:10

have of garden is really important

19:13

to has he does some form

19:15

of that's just a spiraling which also

19:17

a topic of great interest here and redhawks

19:19

so that's another connective piece of connective ensure

19:24

lasagna one of which norway me norway

19:27

slumps and sixty three

19:29

wish i could send you a hug

19:31

the have several in our yard with

19:33

you by the me up provoked i and

19:36

i still use watering can

19:39

at it is

19:47

the first story i read apostles was the one

19:49

about him walking six miles to the doctor defeatist

19:52

cat brent julia the lives in

19:54

red hook tell me about this this is the

19:56

first week of the war everybody i knew

19:58

was talking about ukraine writing

19:59

ukraine and during with the implications

20:02

of this conflict could be

20:03

and that headline

20:06

as russians approaches town the

20:08

cat was still be said that's

20:10

so bravely small officer

20:12

universal the same time like you could

20:14

sub any international crisis into the

20:16

front of their phrase that would still work as

20:19

cove a death surpass one million the

20:21

cat was study said the

20:23

planet reels from climate change the

20:25

cat must still be said hubble's

20:28

early from the war are all

20:30

in the same writing about the war

20:32

by writing about the everyday the routine

20:35

like this dispatch for march fourteenth

20:38

today i went to the city centre

20:40

again and i saw the paving slabs

20:43

have been next to the new car wash

20:46

and

20:48

an old town of com a force clothing

20:50

store has opened mix of the train station

20:53

one , the owners the house next to us is

20:56

painting two cents in read read

20:59

our neighbors are preparing

21:01

swigs desperate for

21:03

all of us it is time for garden

21:10

we don't want war at all

21:14

the up in i also dream of peace

21:17

and we want a

21:19

baby so very much i

21:22

wish you happiness to you and

21:24

your children no huddle

21:27

, is the sign else hoping that

21:29

you will never have to endure the miseries of

21:31

war with respect and sincerity

21:34

by the as long as the gardens and you

21:36

are with me i'm afraid

21:40

i love you americans yours

21:43

the bible could look with gratitude

21:45

to readers of the red hook daily catch

21:48

by though advice watch

21:50

the war on tv not from

21:52

the window a house like me sincerely

22:03

the ukrainian says they dream

22:05

of peace

22:06

that can be a euphemism for saying they support

22:09

seating land to russia apple

22:11

is pretty open in his dispatches that

22:14

he blames both ukraine and russia for the

22:16

war those views on this a fairly

22:18

common where he lives in eastern ukraine

22:21

bordering russia and it's worth remembering

22:23

that the war between ukraine and russia began

22:26

there in twenty fourteen and never

22:28

let up thousands of ukrainian soldiers

22:30

died in that long before

22:32

the russian invasion it's way twenty two hobble

22:35

that volunteering for the ukrainian army he

22:37

says has a medical exemption because of

22:39

the trauma experience as a kid the

22:42

says he doesn't want to fight said on

22:44

regular war is going on anyway suppose

22:46

that you gonna do you know what i'm probably just trying

22:48

to ignore it to show my contempt

22:51

it

22:52

i he'd like every day to be he gets off

22:55

he walks to fedora

22:57

come back or he works in the garden

22:59

molly's out there he sees have his peas are doing

23:01

he comes home and set lot of make

23:03

dinner for him i mean i think that's the life he

23:05

wants to live during this war

23:08

in late march as russia shifted

23:10

it's war strategy concentrated forces

23:12

in the east and started capturing territory

23:15

moving closer to puzzles home outside

23:17

from a tourist

23:18

the album daily routine it didn't

23:21

how many stories can we do about

23:23

the height of panels beans like

23:25

they've broken the soil great now

23:28

they're six inches tall

23:29

we do another story now the he's harvesting

23:32

the been to we do have now because some kind

23:34

of fun this

23:35

we report that we have to make some

23:37

determination that at some point

23:40

that's enough is enough on the beans

23:42

the all the problems that emily expected to have

23:45

she gave pavle a regular column in her new

23:47

site the last thing she expected

23:49

was at the portrait of life in a war zone

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would be too dull the daily catch

23:54

one of our board of advisors

23:56

and numbers

23:58

often says to me t m the on

24:00

the stories too information

24:02

if you like in these moments there's a gap between

24:04

a you see the job and how he sees the job

24:06

he sees the job as

24:08

calling the story where his day to day life

24:11

like through war

24:13

reporting

24:14

from the ground

24:16

the journal

24:18

what his life is like

24:19

that group a vision that he has of israel

24:22

what's your vision to that

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was his original role the report

24:27

on the daily life the cat

24:29

the you

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he did such a good job at what he was doing

24:33

that now i want more i

24:35

want more of him

24:37

an example is i'll say don't

24:39

you take a walk down the road and

24:41

just talk to people about how they're

24:43

feeling and he says he'll say everybody's

24:46

fine everybody sells spring

24:48

where

24:49

just the day before

24:51

there was russian air strike five minutes

24:53

from his charles

24:55

doing journalism has become more fraught

24:57

ukraine since the war pobal

24:59

, us he was rehearsing would he might tell

25:01

russian forces if they capture the and

25:04

questioned his journalistic work emily

25:06

was trying to figure out though how much of puzzles

25:09

costs in puzzles costs to his neighbors well

25:11

advised and how much was him falling

25:13

back on old habits of putting a wall

25:15

between himself and other people

25:23

they didn't want to be greedy for

25:25

his time for his intellectual capital

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for his for , fear

25:30

i wanted to respect it but

25:33

as a journalist i felt journalist had

25:35

to push headset really sure

25:38

i comfortable with the limitations

25:40

that the

25:40

based on his storytelling without

25:43

putting public putting danger she wanted

25:46

him to do more than his daily routine is gonna

25:48

work me and

25:49

for us more for the daily catch him or for our

25:51

readers and we're paying him i'm

25:53

gonna force him out of that comfort zone

25:55

but what if the key to getting

25:58

him out of his comfort zone

26:00

maybe to make some readers

26:02

uncomfortable

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rough translation

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that after the break

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we're back with rough translation and gregory

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warner april and may were busy

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months to the red of daily catch there was there was

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race for two seats and the school board congressional

26:27

district lines were redrawn eleven

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trees are planted for earth day and

26:31

new barbershop landed it's permit but

26:33

continued to do what she promised readers she

26:35

published regular dispatches from pavle

26:38

in ukraine and problem in his

26:40

side sought ways to write about his neighbors

26:42

without having to to them

26:44

one day he said i have idea tomorrow

26:47

i'm going to out and look at all the different kinds

26:49

of ways to people are boarding their windows

26:52

the format of the story also played the powerful strands

26:55

walking many cataloguing

26:57

in observing world each choice of

26:59

window protection seeming to reveal something

27:01

about the budget and the beliefs of the people

27:03

inside

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we did a photo gallery com

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the windows of war

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the most versatile and convenient way

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to protect the window from a blast wave

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is with an ordinary piece

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of carpet this is a window that's

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safest also works to

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black out delight most cost

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effective a more economical way to

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protect windows is would soar with

27:28

a wooden boards this is a window religious

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the most way to protect windows

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is would icons and photographs

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of ancestors

27:39

this person thinks that the for the image of

27:41

god is facing the street them

27:43

the blast wave will not destroy

27:46

them this

27:48

thing is not to have to protect your windows

27:51

not have war

27:53

respect insincerity

28:01

there's april turn to may and is more places

28:03

in eastern ukraine sell to russian forces

28:06

the felt himself start to falter

28:08

the needed his job with the daily catch it

28:11

always dreamed of a journalism job in

28:13

the us but writing about bomb

28:15

blasts and refugees even

28:17

at this removed the overwhelming

28:19

this year is as a superbowl defensive

28:22

our third widely i try as hard as i

28:24

can to distance myself from the want to

28:26

share of and to secure for myself some

28:28

kind of a peaceful future outside

28:32

i may be in ukraine physically but spiritual

28:35

and intellectual i want to be outside

28:38

because ukraine there's

28:40

not a place now we're normal people can

28:47

introduction of them with their or whatever

28:49

midler me to save any my reaction

28:51

to current events has become sluggish

28:54

takes me much effort to force myself to

28:56

continue working as a journalist

28:59

become , heart dial up

29:01

the most of the new policy deemed of yes it

29:03

brings good money but i would not

29:05

to meet any money and not to

29:07

write about war

29:11

kabul was questioning his future in journalism

29:13

some families readers were telling her to

29:16

it quits on top of com

29:17

i'm some people still say to me this

29:19

is not what you're doing this is like your

29:21

indulging some weird thing that you back

29:23

going on

29:25

and so i guess i'm wondering

29:27

net is part of thinks okay

29:29

i may have to shut this down you

29:31

bigoted stories rights course would you feel

29:34

guilty or would you feel that you'd a

29:36

contract you the had with him

29:38

a written contract that someone

29:40

to keep listening

29:42

i want to keep him relevant

29:45

the great choked up talking about this

29:50

i

29:52

would keep him relevant

29:54

that it requires us daily cats for

29:57

his honest or paper is here

29:59

the paabo was reaching out to emily less

30:02

often

30:03

the write him off are you okay

30:05

what are you writing were you thinking about what's your

30:07

next story

30:08

one time she didn't hear from him for over a week

30:10

i think the longest ever gone then

30:12

she remembers early june an email

30:14

cancer pavel the brimming with enthusiasm

30:18

on he said i've got a really interesting one for

30:20

you there's no such as know those

30:22

with a killer bread the sigma schuster the lowest

30:24

bidder dutch but now i managed to gain

30:26

mental strength move forward again

30:28

says i want find an occupation

30:31

not related the war that

30:33

is the point cannot be related

30:36

to the war we could send this

30:38

league

30:39

an instagram feed

30:43

stock images like cyclades

30:46

to , alluring in a fight sexual

30:50

sexual woman in a look at black gown smoking

30:52

from a holder a woman

30:54

dancing and silk underwear the

30:56

title the feed was on clad

30:59

new york

30:59

am i really going to be publishing

31:01

each photo or video was cared for the

31:03

statistic or datapoint

31:05

this one about their seventy four hundred

31:07

public

31:08

the horse thirteen hundred public

31:10

bathing beaches operator new york state

31:13

or another post changes in commuting

31:15

habits are part of new pentax

31:17

reality smoking is down to

31:19

less than twelve percent of new yorkers

31:21

halfway ridership started sixty percent

31:24

of normal

31:25

hobbled told her she was published this feed to

31:27

get a job in the united states

31:34

wonder the he even though i thought yes

31:37

probably thought an escape and the war in the way he knew

31:39

best a virtual trip

31:43

the problem was if readers at put a t

31:45

m i on too much a pulse beans

31:48

this one

31:49

really may be tmr the

31:51

concern was more about somebody

31:53

imagery

31:54

and i thought it would cause leaders

31:57

charge him harshly against

31:59

world they don't understand

32:02

the breeders and warm to pavle because he

32:04

was giving them a window into war instagram

32:07

feed with it's stock images and it's

32:09

stats that had nothing to do with ukraine

32:12

it might break the spell

32:14

and yet emily also felt like after

32:16

all those of encouraging pavle to write

32:18

about a war that he not want

32:20

to observe the kind of auditory

32:23

let him have his escape

32:25

this is as close as i've gotten in

32:27

many to how powerful processes

32:30

his loneliness

32:32

this blog this is different blog

32:35

the distraction

32:37

the highest order

32:39

so and we publish this dispatch

32:41

linking to the instagram feed figuring

32:44

readers would probably not get

32:46

stand it was exactly

32:49

the opposite of what i expected people

32:51

thought for exactly what he created which

32:54

was a coping mechanism it is

32:56

hard for me they choose the

32:58

daily catch have ,

33:00

such a wonderful communicate

33:03

with someone living to this terrible

33:06

war people loved how

33:08

innovative he was they loved

33:10

it as a for escape

33:13

i am sure this communication

33:16

is a

33:17

the him during this time

33:21

let us sincerely hope that

33:23

topple set lotta dora

33:26

make , to do you arcs of day day

33:30

the past when have a would take his virtual

33:32

trips lurking , online

33:34

municipal records some small town to

33:37

imagine himself a resident there and

33:39

see the details even the locals nest

33:41

those locals never knew he was

33:44

there he was invisible basically

33:46

but this trip it was taken with red

33:48

hook readers following love

33:50

some people thought she found new information

33:53

that they don't think about on a daily basis

33:56

a found it interesting that he finds

33:58

it interesting because

33:59

that what we're really trying to learn is that

34:02

this pavel rained compelling

34:05

as he's navigating war

34:10

i've been following cobbles dispatches in the daily

34:12

catch for a few months now it

34:14

it was this dispatch about the instagram

34:16

feed in new york that made me realize that

34:18

something really different was going on here

34:21

we don't think this international story

34:24

about ukraine war playing by

34:26

local journalism rules you

34:28

care get it there because

34:30

of their

34:31

what is local

34:34

local what's happening at

34:36

the local school is local what's

34:39

happening in my street corner or

34:41

is local what i make sure what

34:44

i may come to care about in my life

34:47

the problems with mail to us that he said

34:49

just after the instagram feed was published

34:52

how pathetic a totally different person than

34:54

he sounded just a couple weeks earlier he's

34:56

full of confidence the young as

34:58

valley monitor was too i didn't expect that

35:00

they would grow working for the daily

35:03

with the didn't think i would that it has

35:05

been a challenge for me in a it's

35:09

made me grow the russian

35:11

army was now fifty miles from his home

35:13

many ukrainians fled crematory the

35:16

double had another community in

35:18

red hook people following

35:20

his offerings and imposes

35:22

for his garden so was the kind of long

35:24

distance neighbor the net active

35:26

welcome seem to have allowed to

35:29

get closer to his own neighbors shortly

35:31

after the publication of this instagram

35:33

feed pavel took a big step for

35:36

him he did a full interview with

35:38

a neighbor spend a leaner it

35:40

was the first interview of his journalism

35:42

career and he says when the

35:44

most challenging and experience as a disguise

35:47

it is working for the daily catch taught him

35:49

that empathy for people is the journalists

35:51

most important skill thing he

35:53

says he learned belatedly after all these years

35:55

in journalism and after

35:57

feeling so much empathy directed at him

36:00

yeah and you can doubling about almost of said the

36:02

my up a signal nazism with someone's into

36:04

the if i would never have thought of my everyday

36:06

life could be of interest to anyone i'm

36:08

not some kind of pop star politician

36:10

or a big businessmen but he

36:13

out that even a simple person like me

36:16

can be interesting

36:18

i mean for me working with the daily catch

36:20

has boosted my self esteem

36:22

they began to like

36:24

and respect my sophomore

36:26

suddenly that might ordinary

36:28

life

36:29

there's some generally

36:36

the bible says he's no longer afraid

36:38

to write about the suffering of war and

36:41

, up to notice notice

36:43

acts of closer to home recently

36:46

he went to the dancer to fedora any

36:49

noticed she was weak and listless

36:51

examined for and i phones hundreds

36:53

of police police climbing

36:56

indoor his eyes on for miles and

36:59

inside mills last

37:02

summer house fleece literally

37:05

are citing all the blood out

37:07

of to find him good as would

37:09

and wouldn't go let's see been spending

37:11

so much his attention and blocking out the war

37:14

it's know it's nord the cat that he thought

37:16

he was carrying for dora

37:19

dying from neglect

37:24

four days on the role i searched

37:26

for fleas on door and i managed

37:29

to cure hundred twenty of the little suckers

37:32

of corsica that each way anyhow

37:37

all this attention to her fleas must have boosted

37:39

my cat self imagine

37:42

what i kept things when a person

37:44

catches their sleeves four hours

37:47

end they're all making

37:49

attention to door a during the senseless

37:51

war i have xp

37:53

that make the

37:58

front is approaching commodores the

38:00

harder the suit the more

38:02

i will pay to suit lana dora

38:05

and my garden i think

38:08

this is the correct tactic windows of ward

38:10

that you don't need

38:14

i wish he never to be deceived by

38:19

and i wish you never to have fleas on your

38:49

this episode was produced by tessa pioli

38:51

with help from pablo are glass in nyc m

38:53

nevis in our senior producer adelina

38:55

lansing these are editor on this story

38:58

was supervising senior producer bruce auster

39:00

r translator and voice actor was eugene alper

39:04

so , people listen to this piece and made it better

39:06

thank you to julia barton brenda farrell

39:09

wojciech alexey ak miranda kennedy

39:11

lauren gonzales robert krulwich and

39:13

is always my wife's on a classic was

39:16

rough translations co-creator the

39:18

way if you enjoyed this story about ukraine check

39:20

out scientists fiction story upcoming in

39:22

the new yorker it's another surprising tale

39:24

about everyday life in war war

39:27

rough transition team includes luis chance justine

39:29

yen and bhaskar emily

39:31

vogel's or visuals editor or supervising

39:33

producers the on a symptom thanks to red

39:35

hook daily catch readers margie john f

39:38

r susan joshua gene claire

39:40

in alexandria for sharing your comments with

39:42

comments thanks of course the emily

39:44

and pavel for sharing their story by the way door

39:47

the cat has made a full recovery

39:49

powerful says she's walking a lot and eating well

39:52

thanks to greg myrie julian hate julian and

39:55

andrew sussman for us understand the situation

39:57

in ukraine thanks to tony cabin

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