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hiring the

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Nation of Japan. It's

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offering families eight

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thousand dollars to move

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out of the city of Tokyo.

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There's eight thousand comes on top of a previous

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seven thousand that was already on the table, for a

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total of about fifteen thousand dollars to get

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your asked to funk out this over populated

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part of the country. Makes

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sense. Over population in Tokyo

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is taken over, so they were already offering people

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eight thousand get the funk out. But if you got a kid,

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you know what with throw another seven on top of

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that dollar. Based on where you all

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live. Now, how much money would you need to be

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paid? I don't think eight thousand dollars is enough to

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move just out of town, Like

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how far? That's the

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question. You gotta

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be out of town? I mean I take that

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deal, okay, but that out of town could be

1:01

East Tokyo, like across the river some

1:03

ship, like you know, exactly eight thousand

1:05

dollars And to throw some bullshot,

1:08

I'll take a free eight gs to switch your apartments.

1:10

Now, if I ran Japan, If

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I ran Japan, I would say y'all. Nigg has got

1:14

to go to Korea. Damn

1:19

Korea, God, damn leave

1:24

whichever how much you want, I'll pay you. I'll double

1:26

up if you go to North Got'll

1:32

be glad that you're talking about Beijing goes

1:34

China would just get to push your ads

1:36

out in the city and

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take eight g's from you.

1:43

They do so much funked up ship over

1:45

there, and we just don't say nothing.

2:07

My name is Roy, this is my

2:09

foreign conspiracy democracy fair

2:15

Chap in his absence, happy

2:20

to you. It is a new year. It is a new

2:22

time where you look back on everything

2:25

that you've done, everything that you've did, and

2:29

realize what a complete failure you are.

2:31

You reset the clock and reinspire

2:33

yourself. You went out here forget

2:36

this point in the new year. You're halfway through that box

2:38

of nutritional cereal that you promise

2:40

you're gonna get two bowls of every day, but

2:43

you ain't that ship and switched

2:45

back over to them sucking cereal bars special

2:49

Okay with the strawberror, isn't it everybody

2:54

everybody has picked up about Yeah, I'm gonna do i'mnna

2:56

eat this, replace two meals with these never

3:00

happens, get him and get a punch bowl

3:02

full of lucky jarbs.

3:03

Mon. We're little all

3:06

over the place today. Uh that will

3:08

be by design. Got a number

3:10

of guests from a couple

3:12

of different quadrants of employment,

3:14

and UM, I think we're gonna

3:17

do an impromptu relationship fan.

3:20

First, we're gonna speak with the HR executive to

3:22

talk about the mistakes that you make

3:24

during job interviews that could keep you from getting

3:26

a job and the fact that you know what

3:29

he's done to fire people. J G. You'll be happy

3:31

to know that the brother Patrick, who we're gonna talk to in

3:33

a second, Uh, Patrick

3:35

wants fired a hundred people in eight hours total.

3:39

Job. That's

3:43

not that

3:48

that. Remember

3:53

the Two Time Club is gonna be back on the show today,

3:55

brother Roster Root, and we're gonna

3:57

talk with him about the process of what it's like

4:00

to produce a rap album

4:03

posthumously. Is that the word that I nail them?

4:05

Post humous? When your partner has

4:07

already passed away and we're talking about you

4:09

know, wonderful fife dollar from a trip called Quests.

4:13

Roster was showed it with the responsibility

4:15

of figuring out which tracks to put together

4:18

for that album Fife Doll Forever. So we're gonna

4:20

talk to him and we're gonna even listen to some of the tracks.

4:23

Shout out to the legal team, Shout out

4:26

who helped us through this

4:28

process to make sure that we could give you as

4:30

much of a listening experience as possible.

4:34

UM. And then we're also going to talk a little

4:36

bit today about burnout, which is where I want to

4:38

start right now. We're gonna have a brother

4:40

on a little later today and he's gonna

4:42

talk to us about recognizing the

4:44

signs of burnout and what you should do

4:47

before you quit your job. If you burnt out

4:49

and you sick at a ship, don't just quit right

4:51

away. Is one more thing you should do.

4:54

And when we talk about burnout in ways to

4:56

avoid it, ain't no software to say

4:58

it. This will be the last up, So the

5:00

Royce job fair for a little while while

5:03

I figure out what the funk to do

5:05

in the world of late night. And

5:08

this is not It was not an easy decision

5:11

to come to. UM. You know,

5:13

the team, I've spoken with you all about

5:15

it, but the listeners, you

5:17

know, I kind of went back and forth. You know, I don't know,

5:19

do you pull a Trevor know and say what

5:21

you're gonna do beforehand or do you just

5:23

do it on the last episode? And I figured we'd do

5:26

it on the last episode. Um,

5:28

I don't want to be in a situation where I find

5:30

myself burnt out, you know, and seeing

5:34

burnt out co workers a little bit more close.

5:36

As much as I love this podcast and

5:38

j gu with all people know what a labor

5:41

love this has been from the

5:43

beginning to

5:46

in the morning talking to people

5:48

on Twitter, Ralph,

5:51

where you still twitter with this ship? I

5:55

just know, just fuck

5:57

it? Whoever come up in the zoom boxing next,

6:00

that's what we're talking to. Remember I was a follower

6:02

back then, Chaos. I

6:05

remember Chaos.

6:09

My future at the Daily Show is not promised

6:12

in terms of hosting. If we just be in

6:14

one hunted right, Do I want to be

6:16

in consideration for hosting? Absolutely? Am

6:18

I in the Hopera is one of the many guests hosts

6:20

that will be coming up in the next couple of months. Absolutely,

6:23

But in the interim, not knowing

6:26

how that's going to go. I gotta put

6:28

a couple other pots on the stove, man, and I gotta

6:30

make sure that one of them bets pays off taking

6:32

over for James Cord. But

6:38

there was a report that they're gonna cut the budget

6:40

for Late Night from sixty million to thirty

6:42

five million for

6:44

cording. So you know, it's television is

6:47

changing, Like if we're talking

6:49

about the bigger scope of

6:51

the industry in which I really pay my bills,

6:54

it is changing. Paramount

6:57

cut their unscripted in reality

6:59

show was last year. That's how

7:01

much people are trying to save money. Damn.

7:04

Because those things are basically free. You make

7:06

them holes for three dollars an episode.

7:10

Also, cutting the budget of a late night

7:13

show I have does sound like they're about to give it

7:15

to a black person. So

7:22

also, and I don't know if y'all care about

7:24

this ship, this will be a good episode to have at some point.

7:27

Um, there is a potential writer

7:29

strike looming this summer, and

7:32

when that writer strike hits, as it

7:34

is believed to hit that it will hit, television

7:38

production is gonna stop for

7:41

an unknown amount of time. So

7:43

uh, if I'm a smart squirrel

7:46

now in January, then I need

7:48

to start getting my acorns together. But

7:50

that being said, Philadelphia, I'll be coming your

7:52

way to the French Line Comedy close. I

7:57

wanna. I want to center very sincere

7:59

thank it to everybody that's invested their

8:01

time in this podcast and listening to it

8:03

and being, you know, people

8:06

who spread the gospel. This was

8:09

by intention, the people's

8:11

podcast. I wanted it to be about talking

8:13

to regular people. I did not want to talk to

8:15

celebrities. And I just hope

8:17

that on the other side of everything that is

8:19

figuring out the next phase of my life,

8:22

then I'm able to come back and get

8:25

this podcast back cracking again. You

8:27

know. Uh Rod, I say thank

8:29

you to you because I knew the streets would

8:31

appreciate it. I knew people would funk with you. Ralph.

8:35

I'm happy we met that night, um

8:38

in New Brunswick, New Jersey at the

8:40

Comedy Club, and UM, I appreciate

8:42

your and dying late night sacrifices

8:45

editing this program. Jacqueline, UM,

8:48

I'll see your ass in a week. Well

8:53

wait a minute, you really think I'm

8:55

gonna let you say all that and not say

8:58

that I am so proud

9:00

of you for taking time

9:02

for yourself and that I

9:04

am so proud of you for saying

9:07

no, and I'm so proud of you

9:09

for saying yes. You have spared

9:12

so many people a well deserved

9:15

throat punch by choosing

9:17

choosing grace and no

9:20

matter the project, your beautiful

9:22

heart is always on display.

9:25

Roy Wood Jr. It

9:27

is my honor, I know, but I have

9:29

much more to say, And you really think I'm gonna

9:31

stop, but I'm not. I'm not gonna

9:33

let you drag this out because you wanting to make

9:35

the saint the funeral for the show. I'm taking a break

9:38

so and lose my fucking mind while

9:40

I try to figure out what late night TV show

9:42

I can create or take over. Well,

9:45

I'm still going to tell you more. So

9:47

it's my honor. Dad. I

9:50

still have to go out and work on your stand up

9:52

because I want to get back on the road. You know, we're doing tribulations.

9:55

Tribulations is coming back in marsh is the time

9:57

of the therapy show. And somewhere in the middle of all

9:59

of that, ship still have to be a father. Yes,

10:01

it's still a six year old that I

10:03

don't know. He wants to hang out a

10:05

lot, so I guess I've got to do that too. They

10:09

don't really go away, they don't really go away. And

10:11

you also have to let me finish saying these nice

10:14

things about you that you don't want to hear, you

10:19

can finish. Thank you show.

10:22

Okay, So I was saying that your

10:24

beautiful heart is always those emotional

10:31

if you're making me laughing,

10:33

okay, okay,

10:36

So you know that it's my

10:38

honor to pray for you daily, to

10:41

walk alongside of you on the days

10:43

that go well and the days you tell

10:45

me not to cry. Trust

10:47

is our currency. Thank you

10:50

for taking my name into rooms I never

10:52

imagined. Thank you for always

10:54

encouraging me to follow the paths that

10:56

make me different. And now as you

10:58

go forth and a comp wish even more

11:00

than you can imagine, know the

11:03

best is yet to come. And then

11:05

I have one small sidebar. Yes

11:08

I'm going to ring your phone at sixty

11:10

minutes to every call time and thirty minutes

11:12

before every other call time, respectively.

11:15

And yes I'm always going to ugly cry

11:18

at every milestone. And yes

11:20

I'm gonna blow my nose on your handkerchief.

11:23

I am who I am, and I thank you

11:25

Roy with JR. Well,

11:27

thank you JJ very much.

11:30

We also have to send a shout out to, of course a

11:32

yacht who is dutifully

11:34

helped me with bookings and save me god damn

11:36

migrains Um as well

11:39

as Tierra Tierra. We don't talk too often

11:41

on the show. She checks in now and then, but she

11:44

hannels a lot of the back producing of the show

11:46

to get it ready for a satellite radio and ultimately

11:49

what I want for terrestrial

11:51

radio as well, which I still want to do.

11:54

And of course old Rhonda you don't

11:57

know those out the blue. She was just like, hey,

11:59

I like, I'll need some help

12:01

with anything. She

12:06

is a true engineer with a side hustle. Bro

12:09

That's really what it is. She is. She's

12:11

an amazing person, man, amazing. So

12:14

you know, I'm very I'm very

12:16

appreciative. So with

12:20

that, with that, with

12:22

that being said, happy

12:25

birthday, Ralph, dear,

12:27

thanks

12:31

sorry that this is happy on

12:34

your birthday. It's

12:37

MCD. It's McDonald's all over version,

12:40

best version, version, best

12:43

friend fires you, and

12:45

that it's like happy birthday,

12:52

your late night help. Let y'all know that this thing is

12:54

available, This is remain

12:58

steadfast, that this is a

13:00

hiatus. It is not an ending

13:02

conclusion. But I need bandwidth

13:06

to figure out this other ship first.

13:08

That's just the blunt truth of the matter. If

13:11

I'm going to figure out where I fit in the

13:13

world of late night, be it as a host or a

13:15

correspondent or whatever. While they're

13:17

cutting budgets, then I need to be

13:19

thinking of the funniest, cheapest, goddamn

13:21

joke I can come up with.

13:26

Relationship Specialist coming shot

13:28

on the iPhone six listen,

13:34

Bounce TV has been waiting

13:36

on you to hit rock two

13:40

thousand dollars special sound pretty

13:42

good? So

13:51

yeah, that's that's the deal.

13:55

That's what's happening. That's why this episode

13:57

is going to be ridiculously long because I don't

14:00

want this to end. It's

14:02

time now for Cody's most Outstanding

14:05

Employee of the Week. Bill Cosby is back

14:07

on tour. Called it, called

14:10

it. I mean waiting for you to say this ship we

14:12

called it, called it a year

14:14

ago, almost to the f and day we

14:16

called it. We called it. And then the question

14:19

now is who's he riding with, Who's gonna

14:21

be the opener, who's gonna be that feature or

14:23

just Bill Cosby for three hours? Get

14:26

it? Chris Delia Jack,

14:36

do you think years old

14:38

people will still pay money because

14:41

a bunch of hurdles with this, and also Cosby

14:44

is not my CMO. But I just thought

14:46

I thought it would. It's hilarious.

14:49

Can't be the CMO that can't know j

14:52

G. My question to you was this being said,

14:56

do you think people will buy tickets

14:59

to be Bill Cosby? So are

15:01

you saying recidivism doesn't work?

15:06

I mean Cosby.

15:10

I'm just asking this

15:12

is like, this is like America.

15:15

You see what I'm going speaking blindness,

15:18

I don't. Yeah, you can see where I'm

15:20

going. I'm just asking number

15:22

one, I think people will buy tickets to see Bill Cosby.

15:26

I don't know what venue in good

15:28

faith will book Bill Cosby

15:31

full stop. That's the only place I highly

15:33

disagree with you. And please know that

15:35

I am not saying that Bill Cosby

15:38

should be someone who's out there on the road

15:41

making money, but this is the only way

15:43

that he actually has to possibly

15:45

live if he didn't save his money and

15:47

do well. So I still stand upon

15:50

maybe, yes, there's someone who's going

15:52

to book him, there's a venue that's going to

15:54

book him. But then I also think about the

15:56

fact when you serve your time, are

15:59

you clear now or can you go back out

16:01

there? It's a question. Husban's got

16:03

to hang it up. Man. Don't nobody want to see that

16:05

ship. He's too old. That's the that's

16:07

the that's the thing that's weird about it to me. First of

16:09

all, Bill Cosmy is not an edgy comedian,

16:12

so he can't go on stage to

16:14

this comeback. He's not he's not having

16:17

any jokes about what happened,

16:19

and he's in his eighties, as

16:22

is his audience. They're not coming at the house.

16:24

The only people that will be willing to buy a ticket

16:26

to see this ship it's the young dummies

16:29

who are all with the He was trying to buy NBC

16:32

and that's why he got in trouble. But

16:34

they don't like Bill Cosby's comment in

16:36

so they're just gonna come give him

16:38

a standard ovasion. Then as soon

16:40

as he started talking this nineteen forties

16:43

boyshit, they're gonna be ready to leave. You

16:45

hit the nigger lottery, Okay, you

16:47

got found gift of a crime, and

16:50

then they let you out on some technicality.

16:53

Set your ass in the house and waiting

16:56

to die. I don't go out there and ship

16:58

up. The

17:01

same day he announced he was going back

17:03

on tour, two of his victims sued

17:05

his ass hed better sit the funk

17:08

down somewhere. I just have one question.

17:10

I'm curious about which prison game

17:13

was he in, because to be in prison, you

17:15

need to be in a game to be protected. So I just

17:17

want to know which one he was in. Not not

17:19

when you're not, when you're an old man, he

17:21

does old g I always

17:23

thought it was funny that like that was gonna be like old niggas,

17:26

Like niggas in prison would be called the bill guys, old

17:28

head, ain't got a thug life tattoo,

17:32

Think Cosby pledge, gangster disciple. And

17:34

then right when

17:37

that became a crip to

17:39

back up to

17:42

talk to you about your commissary,

17:44

keep it to man, all

17:48

right, did we

17:54

for gardens cigarettes?

18:00

He puts the shave in the thing and he comes

18:02

back. And the

18:11

reason why I use Bill Cosby as

18:13

a segue into this week CMO

18:15

is what I do know for sure is

18:18

that he's going to get heckled. They're

18:21

going to be protesters who will buy

18:23

that eighty to nine dollar ticket just

18:26

to disrupt the funk out

18:28

of that show. Ralph, would you

18:30

go to a comedy show if you knew

18:32

there were people there who

18:35

only wanted to disrupt this performance?

18:38

Would I go? Yes? Would you pay if

18:40

you were a fan of whatever. I'm not

18:42

even putting Cosby on your conscious. That's whoever

18:45

you love as an entertainer live

18:47

if you knew for effect, when you go

18:49

there, someone's just gonna start screaming

18:51

out right back's right back, yeah,

18:54

and disrupt the show? Would you pay

18:57

money for that live experience?

19:00

What I pay for it knowingly going ahead

19:02

of time? Probably not because I'm too old to get caught

19:04

in that ship. But the bigger question

19:06

is what do you do if you pay for that and it happens while

19:08

you're there? And I kind of think that people

19:11

or another kind of I'm

19:14

not I don't know. I don't know if he's lost a fastball,

19:16

is what I'm saying, and people tend to forget that. The

19:18

boy did play a couple of times on film.

19:20

What if Kasby goes to prison,

19:23

he comes out and he's good? Does

19:25

that? Don't what happens

19:27

at that point? I don't doubt his stand up skill

19:29

set. I just don't know if people are going to allow him

19:31

to perform. Which brings me to

19:34

Windell Pierce. Whin

19:37

the Pierce we all know it's Detective Bunk

19:39

Moreland Um from

19:41

the wire wonderful

19:44

television show. We also know him currently

19:47

from Jack Ryan When the Pierce

19:49

is also an esteemed Broadway

19:51

actor, and in a recent performance

19:54

on Broadway of

19:56

Death of a Salesman, which he has been waiting

19:58

his entire life to do, theater

20:00

is live, theater is the pinnacle to shut

20:02

the funk up, and a heckler

20:05

disrupted the show to the point that

20:07

he had to break character in

20:10

the middle of the show, and he told the

20:12

heckler quote, I've been waiting my whole

20:15

life for this, begging

20:17

the man, begging the man to

20:20

stop disrupting the show so

20:22

that people could enjoy the performance. They

20:24

had to raise the outslights and escort the

20:27

person out of the fucking venue, and

20:30

it literally took everybody out

20:32

of the show. He offered him his money back

20:34

as well. He said, I will give

20:36

you your money back. I will

20:38

do it. I will do it. And

20:40

as a Thesbian and someone with a degree

20:43

in theater, I was appalled so

20:47

for not coming off that stage and

20:50

not beating the ship out of this motherfucker.

20:54

For that. The wonderful

20:57

wind of Pierce, who can go it a barbecue

20:59

brill the professional. I had some of his ribs

21:02

one time in Atlanta. That's a story for another

21:04

day. For

21:07

that when appears you are Cody's most

21:09

outstanding employee of the weekend. Yes,

21:12

so last ride for a little while with the

21:14

job fair. So let's get into this. First guest,

21:16

let's experience the world of hr

21:19

j G. Who do we have on the learn

21:21

It's Patrick Colvin and Patrick

21:24

has two roles. First,

21:26

he's the cheap, Diversity, Equity

21:29

and Inclusion Officer for the company

21:31

that he works for. Second,

21:34

he's the head of Talent for

21:36

this French based financial

21:38

company. And in those roles,

21:41

he is tasked with building

21:43

and fostering a diverse and

21:45

inclusive culture across the

21:47

company, along with overseeing

21:50

initiatives that attract,

21:53

develop, and retain diverse

21:55

staff. And so today Patrick

21:58

will be sharing with you Roy a

22:00

few stories from his more than fifteen

22:03

year career in h R. Hello

22:06

Patrick, Hello, thank you for

22:08

having me. Noll

22:11

I hear for your worship. First, urge

22:13

us to fire a lot of motherfucker's you

22:18

mean appropriating companies. Do

22:20

the right there. Tell the people you sit

22:22

home, Patrick the truth right now.

22:25

That is certainly a part of it, right That was

22:27

a certainly part of my job for a long time.

22:30

Um, you know, letting people, letting people

22:32

go. But I think for the most part,

22:35

I guess that's that's probably a myth of HR two.

22:38

Most people that get into human resources

22:41

they want to be a partner. They want to

22:43

create a positive environment that's productive

22:46

and all those other good things. Right. But

22:48

what people don't understand is HR a lot of time

22:50

is the messenger. A lot of times HR

22:53

personnel, they don't have any authority. We

22:55

make recommendations off of things, and

22:57

based off of that, the managers,

22:59

the the leadership, the executive team, they can

23:01

either heat that recommendation or not. You

23:04

know, I've had situations where I'm letting

23:06

people go and I've done mass layoffs,

23:08

mass reductions force. Uh you know

23:11

one stuff like that defined

23:14

mass that hundred people in eight hours.

23:19

Yes, and it was across time

23:21

zones. Jacqueline, did you just say yes

23:23

in a celebratory tone? Absolutely?

23:27

You are so confusing. So were

23:30

you doing so? Then let's just stay right in that pocket

23:32

mass firings. What are we doing this? So

23:34

we're doing this over zoom face to face? Is it an

23:36

email? What's to move? Phone call? How

23:39

do you handle this? You're trying to do as many face

23:41

to face as possible, because you want to have

23:44

outplacement on site. You want to be

23:46

able to give people, you know, all the

23:48

information necessary. You want to help set

23:50

them up for success in terms of what's going to happen

23:52

next for them. And a lot of times

23:54

these were industries in which people didn't

23:57

have transferable skills to go do something else.

23:59

Right, So, if you did one thing your whole

24:02

life for thirty years, and now I'm telling you you

24:04

can't do that, how are

24:06

you gonna right? Right? I got

24:08

two kids in college. You know That's what they would tell me. I

24:10

got two kids in college. How am I supposed to do this? Right? So

24:13

I always tell people, if you get

24:15

to a point in which laying

24:17

off people becomes very transactional for

24:19

you and you don't

24:22

feel anything from it, that you need to get

24:24

out of HR And look, people

24:26

have called me on my name, people have thrown

24:28

things at me. I've had people cry, I've

24:30

had people begged me on their knees for

24:32

a job. I've had all types of

24:34

stuff happened. Right, who's easier to fire

24:37

black employees and white employees? Oh?

24:43

Man, that's a great question.

24:45

I mean, I've i've,

24:47

i've, I'll give you two stories. So

24:51

I was I was letting, I was letting go of this

24:53

uh, this black woman and

24:55

uh, you know, she was calling me all

24:57

out my name and everything else, and it

25:00

was real fiery, and then it got real

25:02

emotional, and then she wanted to pray

25:04

with me. Right, and so that was

25:06

a weird, unique type of thing. Right.

25:09

It was, it'll give you everything. And

25:11

then I had a situation where I let go of of

25:13

a white male and he wasn't

25:15

trying to hear anything that I was trying to say. The

25:17

company was offering him severance and all

25:19

these other things, and I was trying to explain those things

25:21

to him. And he must have called me a bit

25:24

about fifteen times. And

25:26

I let it go every single time because I

25:28

know you just lost your job. You highly

25:31

emotional. I'm not the guy that's

25:33

taking your opportunity away. I'm just a messenger.

25:35

So I let it go and I

25:38

had to walk this young man off the premises.

25:40

I had to walk into the elevator and I remember

25:42

in the elevator, the elevator door opening.

25:45

He stepped into the elevator with security

25:48

and as the elevator doors were closing.

25:51

He said, if you weren't in this office,

25:54

I kick your ass. So immediately.

25:57

That was the one day in my career in

26:00

which I saw red. So the doors

26:02

closed and I instantly was pressing

26:04

that button to open those doors. I

26:06

went downstairs to find

26:09

him on eighth half in

26:11

front of the subway, and he

26:13

wasn't about that action, and he ran down and

26:15

caught that train. What

26:19

that's a beer from me? I don't care. So

26:21

that was the one day in which I did not think

26:23

about my career. I did not think about my

26:25

family. It was just you just

26:28

disrespected me. Yes, don't

26:30

let this sweater fool you. I'm coming down stairs.

26:33

What are some mistakes that people make during

26:35

job interviews that

26:38

helped them late? We damn people

26:44

show up late. People show up unprepared.

26:46

People don't do their homework on the organization.

26:49

People can articulate, you know, what their

26:51

experiences is, what they've

26:53

done, how that transfers to the role that

26:55

they're looking to, you know, acquire from the

26:57

new organization. And last,

27:00

but not least, people do not negotiate. People

27:02

do not talk about money. People and when

27:04

I say people, I mean specifically black and brown

27:06

communities. We have been taught to put our

27:08

head down, just do the work, and somebody's gonna tap us

27:10

on the shoulder and tell us we did a great job and promote

27:13

us. And that is not how it goes right.

27:15

You gotta advocate for yourself, and in the very

27:17

beginning, you gotta negotiate. You gotta understand

27:19

when you start that job, you have

27:21

the most leverage that you will ever have

27:24

at that organization. At that time, they

27:26

have basically said we want you. You

27:28

are number one choice. Everybody knows that there's

27:30

a drop off between your number one and your number

27:32

two. So a company is not gonna

27:34

lose you for five thousand dollars more, ten

27:37

thousand dollars more because it's costing them

27:39

money every single day to keep that position vacant,

27:41

and they gotta worry about their staff that's

27:43

doing all the extra work until

27:46

they feel that position. So I tell people,

27:48

you gotta ask for it. You gotta know your

27:50

value, you gotta know all those

27:52

things, and you gotta be open

27:54

for that. And on the flip side, as an

27:57

organization, as an HR, we're expecting

27:59

you to negotiate. We know that there's room

28:01

in our range. You think we're just gonna offer you

28:03

the top of the range just because right, don't

28:05

work that way, Right, I wanted

28:07

I want you to come back to the table and tell me

28:10

that you deserve more money, because that's confirmation

28:12

that you're the right person for the job, because you believe

28:14

that you can come delivered from me, even

28:17

if it's not monetary. You need to be asking

28:19

for more. You think that a company really

28:21

is going to care if they their policy

28:23

is two weeks vacation and you say I would like three

28:25

weeks of vacation, You just think gonna lose you for that. No,

28:27

they're not. Or the fact that you

28:29

know there's commutation,

28:32

there's there's you know, Jim stipends,

28:34

there's clothing allowances. There's so

28:36

many different things that you can ask for and you

28:38

can negotiate. You can negotiate when

28:41

you get your first performance evaluation,

28:43

right, because if you're coming into the organization

28:45

at the end of the year they're doing

28:47

their performance evaluation, you don't get evaluated.

28:49

So now you gotta wait a whole year, maybe sometimes eighteen

28:52

months before somebody evaluates you and you get an

28:54

opportunity to get a raise. Right. So there's

28:56

so many things that people can ask for um

28:59

to to make sure that they're setting themselves up for success.

29:02

So I got a company car and

29:04

lived around the corner. Who cared, do

29:06

you be scamming sign on bonus?

29:13

HR is for the company. I'd like a car, Please

29:16

make sure And they said, yet they

29:19

all your value And they said, if

29:21

if if it takes a car to get

29:23

hurt, then that's what we're gonna do. Okay,

29:25

I'm curious. You've been in the HR game

29:27

for fifteen years. Can you

29:30

share your thoughts about

29:32

or how it's done. When HR

29:35

has to interview people, let's

29:37

just say who are qualified

29:40

per se, even though they already know

29:42

who they really want to hire. That's

29:44

the nice about

29:46

the NFL. No,

29:49

No, I'm saying when corporations come

29:51

knocking on my door because they're trying to

29:54

feel a senior VP role

29:57

and candidacy

30:00

has to include people of

30:02

color, people that are qualified.

30:04

However, we already know they're going to hire

30:06

the cousins, nephews, uncle,

30:09

or however that's gonna go. Can you shed

30:11

a little light on that or don't touch it

30:13

if you don't want to, But we know it's real.

30:16

It's very real. I mean, I think. You have organizations

30:19

that are very performative,

30:21

you know what I mean. They will advertise a

30:23

job, they will say that we need a

30:25

diverse slate of women

30:27

and minority candidates to be

30:29

interviewed and consider for this role,

30:32

and you'll have situations in which that role doesn't even

30:34

exist. Right. They're just using that to

30:36

kind of pipeline or keep their talent

30:38

warm, or to have fresh resumes, things

30:40

of that nature. Right, But really what they're doing

30:43

is they are killing their name

30:45

in the street and you're giving a horrible candidate

30:47

experience. You're either intentional about

30:49

it and you're serious about it or you're not. Because

30:52

a lot of organizations will say that our

30:54

numbers are this, we are moving towards that

30:56

we've made x amount of progress and x amount

30:59

of time. But what they won't tell you

31:01

is how they did it, you know what I mean.

31:03

And you can fudge numbers, you can manipulate

31:06

data any way that you wanted to. I

31:08

can tell you that we've done this and it might be

31:11

accurate if I look at it from a six month

31:13

you know projection, But if I pull that out for

31:15

twelve months is going to be completely different.

31:17

I was just gonna share that I had a

31:19

head hunter major company.

31:23

The first time I sat down with this

31:25

person, we had an amazing

31:28

conversation. Of course, it was over food,

31:30

so that meant I was getting even closer. So

31:33

I just went ahead and asked him. I said, why are we playing

31:35

this game? The company that

31:37

you're representing, they already know who they want

31:39

to hire. I even know who they want to hire.

31:42

This man on the spot offered

31:44

me eight hundred dollars an interview

31:47

if I would just keep doing these things the

31:49

sturdy pool. Whoa

31:56

sturdy pool? And

31:59

I've since stop taking those head hunter

32:01

calls. But yeah, well it

32:03

sounds like you leave money on the table. There's

32:09

someone out there who really wants that job,

32:11

and I'm not gonna play their game. Patrick, I need you

32:13

to hang around now. We're gonna talk to Rod. We're gonna talk

32:15

to Roster Root about five dollars album, But

32:17

then we gotta come back to you to

32:20

talk about the world of diversity, equity

32:22

and inclusion and how companies

32:24

be scamming it a little bit. And I mean j G

32:27

got a story about some scam she'd be running

32:29

it. J G, you be scamming It's

32:31

the job Fair. We'll be right back, job

32:41

Fair. We got Patrick standing by for scam

32:43

of a week. We're gonna talk about diversity, equity

32:45

and inclusion and uh gonna get

32:47

to Rod. But first I got a two

32:49

time about to step up in the end um

32:52

talk about what it's like, because I've

32:54

always wondered that third like, what is

32:57

that journey like? Creatively? When

32:59

a musician passes and

33:01

they have unreleased music, what

33:04

is the process of putting that music out? What

33:06

is your process of developing that

33:09

music and getting all that together? And

33:11

we all know fife Dog from a tribe

33:13

called quest j G. Who do we have on a lot?

33:15

It's Dion Roster Roots Liverpool

33:18

back for a second time on the job

33:20

there to discuss the process he

33:23

went through in creating and crafting

33:25

the album Fife Forever.

33:27

He also allowed us to use some of the music

33:30

from the album to illustrate the final

33:32

results. Yes,

33:35

yes, this is a job there. First,

33:38

You'll never understand the battles we

33:40

go through to play music on

33:42

this Most music you hear is produced

33:45

and owned by Viacom.

33:47

I got an email once a week, Hey, what's

33:49

the name of the theme song? I should would like to

33:51

download it and

33:56

upstairs and they don't want it in

33:58

the streets. Yeah,

34:00

but if you eat me still, I still send that ship out

34:03

though. What

34:05

I'm saying, you know what, man, this this I'm

34:07

excited man, because we get to use music

34:09

like we get to use actual y'all

34:12

don't understand how hard

34:14

it is to get music on a podcast,

34:17

but we got this. We have actual tracks

34:19

from Fife Dogs album Fife

34:22

Dog Forever that was produced

34:24

by wonderful wonderful guests. This is this

34:26

is what's this from Ralph Forever?

34:37

But Dion first and foremost, Um,

34:39

we know you make these shells as well, So talk

34:42

to us a little bit about smoking shells. Yes,

34:44

definitely. So I have a company called Smoking Shuttle.

34:47

I developed these a few years ago.

34:49

Now okay, well this is what I know. I know he developed

34:51

is a while ago, and it makes them very unique

34:53

as he can personalize them to eat DJ to

34:55

have your own name, your own DJ name, I know Jazz

34:58

Jeff or a couple of hats have the shells right,

35:01

and and also he also did a good job on

35:03

the sound quality of the shows too. On some nerdy

35:05

audio ship Roy third, I was listening

35:07

to this album before we got on can we can we

35:09

play freak Kiss? Just? I know they

35:12

ain't got another scratches in it, but I'm

35:14

sorry. Good music just that's

35:16

just that.

35:22

Just you

35:32

know, it's weird. Third, like, you don't know when you're

35:34

listening to a bad sound, do you hear a good sound

35:39

like audios like like because you can hear a

35:41

song and sometimes the song sounds

35:43

underwater or

35:45

it doesn't have quite

35:47

the right mix to it, but you

35:50

want to hear all the highs sometimes, like you want

35:52

to hear like James tells us all the time when

35:54

men can't hear very high things. But when

35:56

a song is mixed badly, you

35:58

don't hear the high had so of the drum

36:01

kit, you don't hear the symbols. You don't hear

36:03

all this stuff to round out the sounds

36:05

or the song sounds complete. Which is why I like about

36:07

the needles. They are very clear about that. I

36:10

want you to talk about making that album

36:13

with somebody who wasn't here. Man,

36:16

it's so crazy, like I'll

36:18

show you right now, like this is this

36:20

is the hard drive right here that has he

36:23

wrote that himself, sin his fife. It's probably backwards

36:25

on there, but this hard drive contains

36:28

all the music or pieces or

36:30

acapella's beats ideas was

36:32

all on here, and luckily, you

36:34

know, somehow another I ended up with it in us

36:36

working back and forth. So I always

36:39

like to say he left us with the blueprint of

36:41

what he wanted because we started working it together

36:43

when we were recording the Tribe album

36:45

in fifteen. He and I were

36:47

like heavy working on his own stuff while

36:50

he was at Tip's house at night recording. We come

36:52

on in the afternoon to do things for his album, so he

36:54

was well on his way. It just was completely

36:56

probably complete. So we

36:59

had to take those says and everything we had

37:01

and it's like a big puzzle on the table and

37:03

had to put the pieces together with

37:06

a red gym say them to sell

37:08

it for the crack and sons of men who

37:10

want to find a lot of Grammys and flax with

37:13

the higher rest of the back the misspanish

37:15

life, but still managed to miss strike damn

37:17

on, How did you? How

37:20

did you take those concepts?

37:22

Because there's some of the songs on there. For example,

37:25

there's a song called Dear Della where it's

37:28

it's Q Tip talking

37:30

with Fife talking to Jay Diller,

37:33

who's past, but in the hook is

37:35

Q Tip talking to both of them. In

37:37

Heaven Goes

37:40

By, I

37:44

Keep my Head into the Sky.

37:49

I get that cover move

37:51

out of Space Left

37:57

and it's like a heavy song. Like it's just like

37:59

the concepts on some of those songs.

38:01

Man, we're just brilliant. Can you talk

38:04

about how it's funny you say that because

38:06

Dear Dilla. I did the original Dear

38:08

Dial in fourteen with Fife, but I sampled

38:11

like everything, I'm like twelve different

38:13

samples, so we got the sample quote back. It was like

38:15

thirty seven thousand dollars to clear that the

38:18

samples on that song. So we

38:20

were kind of in the mode of saying, you know what, let's just scrap

38:22

this song. But I said, well, why don't we just reproducing

38:25

it, make a different version of it. And then I started working

38:27

on what you heard on the album

38:29

and then that feature

38:32

with um It's so weird.

38:34

I Fife did the song for j Dilla

38:36

saying I'll see you one day, and then fast

38:39

forward two years in there

38:41

you know, in the same kind of space and place, you know.

38:43

So I we

38:45

talked to cut to for two years of

38:47

of getting him as a feature, but we didn't know which song

38:50

he happened to pick, the one that I produced, which would

38:52

have been their last time on record together.

38:54

You know, symbolically, what you

38:56

hear at the beginning of this song is actually him saying

38:58

me a voice note, yo, what

39:01

course you want me to do?

39:03

You a course? At this point,

39:06

it literally sounds like he was talking to fill

39:08

that crazy man. I

39:10

can tell you that, and I

39:12

can just finish after this. Actually,

39:15

I enjoy listening to people's music,

39:18

like I'm still a huge music head, hip

39:20

hop, house, you name it. I

39:23

couldn't listen to that album from Talking to Bottom

39:25

without shedding, like the most serious

39:27

man tears because it's

39:29

like Fife is talking to you like this, dude.

39:32

It was like, and so I remember trying

39:34

to call you and tell you like, yeah, I had tears

39:36

in my eyes when I was talking to you, like dog,

39:38

this ship has got me stuck, like I

39:41

couldn't move. It was like he was talking

39:43

to you from beyond the grade. You know what I really

39:45

appreciate about this, It's just how surreal

39:48

this feels, because it's almost a different

39:51

listening experience when

39:53

you know the weight behind the

39:56

artists, right like the surreal, the surreality

39:59

the Sia sur realness to surreal

40:01

that's not a word, the surreality

40:04

of Sheryl's big son, for example, the track

40:06

just kind of floats behind you sometimes,

40:11

and I

40:15

felt like that kind of had to be a little surreal

40:18

even for you to listen to it

40:20

once it was done, because you were very close to

40:22

it. Yeah, for sure, it's my best friend. Um.

40:25

You know, when you go through working on a posture

40:28

album, nobody gives you the blueprint

40:30

of how to do it. So we were just going with what we felt

40:32

was best, what we wanted to present

40:35

as his legacy, and where we know he would want. You

40:37

know. So, as I'm working on the album and getting

40:40

towards the end of it and me meaning

40:42

us as a collective, UM, I didn't have

40:44

an expectation or worry about

40:46

where people are gonna accept it, or were people gonna

40:49

like it or hate it. I didn't think like that,

40:51

which normally releasing something into the

40:53

world you think about that. For some odd reason,

40:55

this album didn't give me that anxiety. I was

40:57

happy that it was complete. I knew that

41:00

complete. The album was a part of my morning, a part

41:02

of my grieving process. And that like

41:04

getting it out in the world. It would also free

41:06

me from you know, listen to his voice

41:08

every day for six years. You can't get from that,

41:10

you know what I mean, a person with that

41:13

profile, they're always talking about

41:15

Tribe and Fife, so you can't you can't escape

41:17

it, you know. Um. Your

41:19

your reaction to the album is

41:22

is what everybody has said. They said the

41:24

album was an emotional experience for

41:26

them, you know. Um, And I

41:28

didn't think about that either, but people we're

41:31

listening to it having these moments of

41:33

doubt, did I make the right decision that I more

41:35

in my father's death, should

41:37

I make up with my friend who? You know? If I've said

41:39

it all in an album, And like the sorry

41:42

man on the album,

41:48

it's like being a screen that come fine. I

41:52

literally got halfway through the song and had to pause

41:54

it, like I couldn't, like literally tears just

41:56

roll. That's crazy. Man. That's happy

41:58

to hear that. Man Like that means

42:01

people you know, people you

42:03

know, yeah, man, you did you did it, You did

42:05

it, You did you did them? Proud you,

42:08

man. I really really appreciate that. Seriously,

42:10

for the last time for a long time, he

42:13

comes to us from Middle

42:15

Tennessee. We call the segment breaking the ice.

42:17

It is an opportunity for you to

42:21

not read the papers and not visiting the website,

42:23

to come up with topics

42:27

that you could share with co workers

42:29

that you can't stand and

42:33

hopefully break the monotony

42:35

of a shitty ass job. To help us

42:37

do that, he is our resident white

42:39

people, Black people ologists. He

42:42

loves the peanut butter whiskey. Ladies,

42:45

if you go outside and uh put

42:47

a little bit of that on the back of your knees, you will

42:49

feel a tingling feeling moving

42:53

up your thighs because he

42:55

will have appeared his mom

42:57

and named Murado. We call him Rod for short

42:59

ride as quick as you can. How is your

43:01

holiday? I know you're normally a purveyor of juggling

43:04

multiple women, so you don't really get a couple

43:06

of variances of gifts. Uh

43:09

what did the women that the women get you anything this year

43:11

that you not want to be? You know, on the

43:13

hook for Valentine? No, I

43:15

gotta, I gotta, I got hooked up man

43:18

clothes and shoes and cash

43:21

and video games. You

43:24

know, everything you need, everything

43:26

you want. You know, it's real. While he

43:29

getting all these gifts. He getting all these

43:31

gifts, he's celibate.

43:35

That's right. That your

43:37

light shines from within. You

43:40

don't need to use your genitals. It's

43:44

such a just radiated. It's

43:47

about word. I'm just such a great

43:49

person. Okay, all right,

43:51

let's just stop right there. We bring

43:54

round this program to get some

43:56

stories. What you got for us this week? Right, let's

43:58

start the new year off. Right. Let's

44:01

start the new year off with a

44:03

story from

44:06

a recent episode we did. The

44:08

good folks at Frontier Airlines have

44:12

announced that they are giving away

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free flight vouchers for

44:18

people who adopt kittens from

44:20

a local shelter in Las Vegas.

44:23

There's three kittens, one name Frontier, one

44:25

name Delta, one named Spirit. Frontier Airlines

44:28

would give two vouchers

44:31

to two people who adopt

44:34

Spirit and Delta, and give four

44:36

flight vouchers to who have adopts

44:38

Frontier. Now the

44:41

Spirit, the Spirit kitten is dead. But

44:44

knowing what

44:53

animal at this it's like a having

44:55

a kid named Greyhound, that kid

44:58

two legs. Don't

45:05

you know about trailways before the Greyhound

45:07

merger? We're old um

45:11

Rod, speaking of speaking of airlines, Rod,

45:14

what say you to the Southwest Airlines

45:16

fiasco. I don't know if you saw where Southwest

45:18

Airlines pilot detailed twenty

45:21

years of mouthfeasance and the focus

45:24

on the corporate level on

45:26

getting passengers on board instead

45:29

of updating their system. So essentially

45:31

the systems crashed so bad that

45:34

they didn't know where their crew was, they didn't

45:36

know where the planes were, and they had to

45:38

basically control all delete

45:40

and get the reboot cd

45:43

ROM and fired

45:45

that bitch up from scratch again. A lot

45:47

of people were stranded. There was a woman that

45:49

was supposed to get married in the Belize. She

45:52

lost her deposit mr wedding because

45:55

of the Southwest fiasco. Yeah,

45:59

yeah, I mean that's

46:02

that's that's why you make sure you

46:05

don't skimp on the plane ticket

46:08

when you got to fly to their wedding and believes

46:11

you you make

46:13

sure you get the topic in line ticket. Okay,

46:17

Southwest, it's cheap, no disrespect.

46:19

I love Southwest, but your

46:22

money on the day of destination wedding.

46:24

That didn't have to take a canoe to that motherfucker

46:28

she was doing Southwest to the to

46:31

the airport that had the direct flight to

46:33

Bulli. Since not like Southwest, go all the way

46:35

to even you know, it was basically

46:37

she was gonna fly there, wait a day,

46:39

then go back to the airport, and then gone

46:42

on the next plan. Well, she

46:44

had a whole day, that's enough trying to drive somewhere

46:50

Houston to fucking believes.

46:53

No, she could have got to the other to the other airport

46:55

where the next flight was. Yeah,

46:57

I guess, but at that point you got so much

47:00

money on the day. Think it's weird that

47:02

everybody was upset that south West wouldn't

47:04

fly when it wasn't safe for them to fly, Like,

47:06

what the fund are you upset about that they

47:08

won't fly because they don't think they can

47:10

right now? It was

47:13

upset about that, like they

47:15

couldn't fly, they

47:19

had issues issues, you know what

47:21

I feel like though, I feel like every

47:24

year one airline should just go

47:26

fuck it. Then let's go since y'all

47:29

talking ship and

47:31

eventually one of those will fuck

47:34

it ben flights, it's going to crash

47:36

horrible and then nobody

47:38

will be misbehaving at the gate. Again. That's

47:41

way it takes. You need one

47:43

good tragedy to truly change American

47:45

behavior. When you see a crash, then

47:48

y'all ship and make the flight free. How

47:50

about this? All right? What

47:53

is wrong with you?

47:55

No, listen, this is literally what happened.

47:57

The pilots were like, we don't

47:59

have flight plans and the fucking computer.

48:02

I don't even know how to putting the computer where to go?

48:04

Which you mean you just got to go old school

48:06

fucking Chuck Yeager a million era.

48:10

Yeah, you can't get a complice and

48:13

sucking three degree longitude

48:15

latitude that ship. If y'll cool

48:18

with me doing that, well fuck it, dad, getting

48:20

the fucking point. We

48:23

might land, we might not. We

48:25

don't know. It's a free flight, right,

48:28

it's a free fight. Like just that's

48:31

whatever it takes to get people to chill out

48:34

and their boys. Hey, listen,

48:36

listen. I know it's Christmas

48:38

and you can stand.

48:41

You know what I'm saying. Just just get

48:43

on the fucking plane with me. And

48:45

you have to learn how to fly by instrument anyway

48:48

to get your pilot's licenses. So I

48:50

know, three degree left, three degree, But

48:53

once you get to Philly, I don't know.

48:56

If I'm in front of it, we might collide,

48:58

we might hit another bit in the air, we might

49:00

land in the corn field. Slight,

49:03

little, slight, little I don't

49:05

know how much fuel is on the plane because

49:08

I don't know how much fuel was on the previous

49:10

plane, because that information is in the fucking

49:12

computer. I don't even know if

49:14

your bags are on the plane, but if you want

49:17

to making it,

49:19

but we're gonna go. What's up. A

49:21

matter of fact, let's we fit more

49:23

niggas under the plane. There's no bags, so

49:26

come on under this. You need to snickers

49:28

fire. We

49:31

gotta played, we gotta do. We got dudes playing

49:33

dominoes right outside the time. Make

49:35

sure you can get on the last seat. So if you got you

49:37

get hit the five or fifteen, you might make it.

49:39

But other than that, I said, you go all away. I

49:41

mayn't compete for it because phase game, whatever

49:43

you need to do to compete. I support

49:45

this. I'm glad to see y'all changing your

49:47

tune from the last time we talked about airplanes

49:50

and airports and airlines and y'all was all up

49:52

their answers. Oh no, there's still you

49:55

come around and be like, yeah, let's crash the plane

49:57

to get people in order. There's

50:00

still terrible people. There's still terrible people

50:02

that exploit passengers for profit, and they sacrifice

50:04

safety. I was

50:08

in support of Southwest

50:10

not flying for the last two weeks due

50:12

to the storm and then all the rest of the ship that came

50:15

along with it. I get

50:17

it. If McDonald's was like all

50:20

I meet smoiled, I wouldn't stand outside

50:22

for playing. I'd be like, thank you for not sucking feeding

50:27

fair. I

50:31

was screaming about how how why you

50:33

go give some meat and I won't you just go to burg

50:36

game to shut the funk up. Everybody

50:40

can't jump from Southwest. Oh it's a delta.

50:42

They don't have that kind of money, and they were price,

50:45

Yeah, they're gonna give you a refund,

50:48

spin Christmas at the house and just they won't

50:50

give as much out. They will

50:52

not give as much of a refund

50:54

as you imagine because you actually have to

50:56

do paperwork. A lot of people who

50:58

have to do that will be doing it. All

51:03

that is better than die.

51:07

The podcast is Uncle Rod Story CORNERAD.

51:10

As always, we thank you. I can't wait

51:12

for us to be able to do this again. Um,

51:16

let's get back to it and I'll scam it a week time.

51:19

Let's get back into this d E and I conversation

51:23

here. Now, you know how

51:25

do you how do you how do you keep black

51:28

folks at your job?

51:30

You know what I'm saying, Like when a D E

51:32

and I employee decides

51:35

to leave your company, Listen,

51:37

Jaquelin, I'm trying to check all these boxes, too many

51:39

boxes to mention I was impress

51:42

reach stuff, please continue to indigenous

51:46

south have not

51:49

been able

51:52

and it's also but still

51:54

a very good person and body positive

51:56

when that employee decides to leave the company.

52:00

Are when employees who decide

52:02

to leave your company, who check any of those various

52:04

boxes decide to leave? Patrick, what is the process

52:06

and attempting to retain them or do you just let them go?

52:09

Well, I think once you get to a point where

52:11

someone is actually actively looking

52:14

to leave your organization, it's

52:16

pretty much over at that point, right,

52:18

So I think you have to have mechanisms

52:21

in place to be able to identify talent very

52:23

early. Right, whether it's a black and brown

52:25

employee, uh, someone from a marginalions

52:28

population or a

52:30

white employee as well, Right, you need to be

52:34

in place to be able to recognize

52:36

that talent. And then most of all, you've got to cultivate

52:39

that talent. You've got to be developing that talent. You

52:41

need to be having career conversations with that talent.

52:44

You need to be showing that person where they

52:46

can go, what their potential is, things

52:48

of that nature. If you're not doing that,

52:50

then what's going to happen is you're going

52:52

to have holes in your bucket because

52:54

you're gonna be trying to attract and bring

52:57

in diverse talent into your organization. But that

52:59

diverse when they get into your organization,

53:01

they don't see anybody who looks like them

53:03

at higher levels in their organization. And

53:06

over the course of you know, whatever months or

53:08

years that they're at the organization, if they don't see

53:10

an investment in them, then they're

53:13

going to look elsewhere for that. So once

53:15

that happens, there's nothing you can do about it.

53:17

So you have to be from the very beginning

53:19

you got in. This ain't

53:21

something that's gonna happen overnight. It's

53:24

gonna take time for you to do this

53:26

right. A lot of these organizations are large

53:28

organizations historically, um

53:31

you know, great organizations, things

53:33

of that nature. You can't just turn

53:35

a titanic like a speedboat,

53:37

right if most of these organizations, if you want

53:39

to shift in a different direction, you gotta

53:41

do it now to be able to feel the effect

53:43

ten years from now. And I think you also have

53:45

to make sure that you're your

53:49

your employee population understands the benefit

53:51

of diversity, right, because a lot

53:53

of times people think it's a zero sum game. Well,

53:55

for this person to win or that group to win,

53:58

I have to lose. And it's not that way.

54:00

Now. There are strategies in place that

54:02

when you start diversity work and you start

54:05

to have some success in it, there's gonna be some

54:07

marginalized populations and some target populations

54:09

that see some immediate results and some media changes.

54:12

That's a that's a fact. But overall, diversity

54:14

is great for the organization, right. Diversity

54:17

increases not only your productivity, your

54:19

innovation, your ideation, your stakeholder

54:21

returns. You know, your shareholder returns

54:24

things of that nature. Right. So that's

54:27

just how it is, you know what I mean. So it's not

54:29

a situation in which I'm giving something to

54:31

someone else and for me to give that to somebody else,

54:33

I have to take away from from you. It's

54:35

not that way. What are the retention

54:38

strategies when it comes to retaining

54:40

uh to maintaining to basically

54:43

creating and maintaining a diverse

54:46

workforce. Well, I think there's

54:49

so much conversation about diversity, right,

54:51

and not to say that diversity is not important. You need

54:53

diversity, right. You need diversity of ethnic background,

54:56

gender, disability status, diversity

54:59

of thought, experience, hans, education background, all

55:01

that other stuff. You need that, But most

55:03

importantly, diversity is really nothing

55:05

without inclusion. So you've got to get to

55:07

a point where you're creating environment in which it's

55:09

conducive to setting everybody up for success.

55:12

Right, And to your earlier point, it's

55:14

about thinking beyond just

55:17

equality and getting to a point of

55:19

equity right, understanding that there's

55:21

going to be different groups, different marginalized populations

55:23

in your bank, and every single one of those

55:26

groups is going to need something different. The starting

55:28

line is not the same for everybody.

55:30

Right. From a racial and ethnic perspective,

55:32

we know that there are systemic things that are

55:34

in place that have kept marginalized

55:37

groups from achieving certain things, especially

55:39

within corporate America, and then when you drill down

55:41

to financial services and investment

55:44

banking, it's it's even more narrow

55:47

right. Um, So it's really about

55:49

creating that environment that's conducive

55:51

you have to constantly cultivate your culture.

55:54

You have to be mindful of the people

55:56

in your organization. You've gotta have a pulse to

55:58

it, and you've got to get to a point where you're creating

56:00

a sense of belonging. Right, Because

56:02

to your point, Roy, I've worked in organizations

56:05

where I was the only black person

56:07

at that organization, but I didn't feel

56:09

like the only black person at that organization

56:11

because of the culture there and how

56:13

inclusive it was and vice verse.

56:15

I've worked in places where there was a lot

56:17

of minorities, there are a lot of people that look

56:20

like me, and it still felt like we were

56:22

being singled out and things of that nature.

56:24

Right, So it's not just a diversity

56:26

piece of it. That's one component of it, it's

56:28

an important component of it. But it's

56:30

that culture. It's that sense of belonging. It's

56:33

having people understand

56:36

that you know, there is education,

56:38

there's awareness, there's a level and a

56:40

foundation of respect here for everything.

56:43

Right, we gotta be able to celebrate each

56:45

other's differences. We are all unique

56:47

in a number of different ways and we need

56:50

to celebrate those things. But I think when you start

56:52

to build a culture that celebrates people's

56:54

differences. What happens is people

56:56

start coming together. How can people

56:59

get into this field of d E and I

57:01

and HR like, you know, look

57:03

a lot of people fall into HR right.

57:06

For me, it was very intentional. You know, I knew

57:08

what I wanted to do, and I went about

57:10

it in a in a very methodical way to kind of get

57:12

into the field. But you know, I think it's about

57:14

transferable skills. You know, HR is very

57:16

people focused, right, So you

57:19

know, you have to find a way to highlight the fact

57:21

that you are a team player, that you're willing to

57:23

collapse, that you have, you know, various

57:25

soft skills, You've got leadership skills, things of

57:27

that nature. If you can do that, then you can find

57:29

your way into HR right. And

57:32

I tell people, you know, some of those entry level positions,

57:34

whether it's an HR assistant, whether

57:36

it's a recruiter, it's very easy to get into HR

57:38

as a recruiter learned the organization,

57:41

learned, the profession itself, various

57:43

centers of excellence in which you can go down

57:45

whether it's benefits or camp or immigration

57:48

or total rewards, whatever the case may be, and

57:51

be able to figure out, you know, where you want to

57:53

go what interests you and things of that nature. Right, So

57:56

it's not hard to get into HR.

57:58

I think, you know, when you're talking about getting

58:00

into diversity work, I think it all starts

58:02

with you know, aligning your passion

58:04

and getting involved with certain organisms, uh, certain

58:07

employee organizations, right, So that

58:09

can be employee resource groups in your organization,

58:11

that can be business resource groups, that can

58:13

be UM, getting involved outside of

58:15

your organization in grassroots or social

58:17

justice or things of that nature. Right. Continuously

58:20

to educate yourself and continue

58:22

learning about you know, how diversity

58:25

works, the various components to it, UM,

58:27

how you can turn that into strategy, things

58:30

of that nature. So you can get into diversity

58:32

a number of different ways, the same way as HR.

58:34

It's really about what's

58:37

going to be your plan? How are you going

58:39

to be intentional? How are you going to move

58:41

this organization forward? And if you

58:43

can articulate that to anybody

58:46

you get an opportunity to do so. Patrick,

58:48

you've made HR sound

58:51

like a heavenly place. I

58:53

never want people to walk away from

58:55

here thinking that that is

58:57

the case HR for the company.

59:00

When people tell you things, you

59:03

have to report. If there's something

59:05

in particular that's going to impact

59:09

that company and that company's bottom

59:11

line. So if you could just say

59:13

a little bit about that, because I don't want anyone

59:15

with me. They can come crying to

59:18

HR about whatever, and

59:20

that's gonna stay in HR's office becausein

59:22

no you sitting up the typing it right

59:24

up, boom, it's going right out the door. I

59:26

think you you know, you gotta you gotta feel

59:29

the person out right, You gotta be willing

59:31

to to you know, have

59:34

a relationship or or see what that's about.

59:36

Right. You can't go run into everybody because to your point,

59:39

you know, your first priority is to the organization.

59:41

But I think I'm

59:43

different in that the people who brought

59:45

me up and kind of poured into me, they were different in

59:47

that right, they had a humanistic element to it.

59:50

And look, there are some things and I tell

59:52

people, look, I'm gonna have to you know, report

59:54

this. I'm gonna have to let somebody know, right if it's a danger

59:57

to the organization, or you find out somebody

59:59

is about to be a dang you to themselves. Okay,

1:00:01

I gotta save you from yourself. And I need to get the

1:00:03

right people involved to make sure that no harm

1:00:05

comes to you, right, But there's

1:00:08

been plenty of times throughout my career I stuck

1:00:10

my neck out for people. It could have been

1:00:12

me on the chopping board and I was telling

1:00:14

people, Look, your

1:00:16

attitude is this, or your behavior is this?

1:00:18

Or do you know they're about to put you on you know,

1:00:20

written warning and things of this nature. Right,

1:00:22

Like, you need to get yourself together, especially when

1:00:24

it's it's young black and brown people. You

1:00:27

know, you pull them to the side, you give them some game. Right.

1:00:29

If there's no playbook or no no no

1:00:31

book for how to operate in

1:00:33

corporate spaces and dominantly

1:00:36

white spaces, right, they don't teach you that in college

1:00:38

or nothing. Talk about that ship, right.

1:00:41

You gotta help people navigate their way through that,

1:00:43

and you gotta be be willing to give

1:00:46

them some game. And if you want to continue doing that behavior,

1:00:48

then you get what comes to you. But I

1:00:50

have a responsibility to give you some game. I need

1:00:52

you to settle hr debate form. Patrick

1:00:55

said, we're gonna take it home. Let's

1:00:58

say you and a friend and show up

1:01:00

to a company party, a company you don't work

1:01:03

at, but y'all just at the party, and then

1:01:05

one of the employees of that company

1:01:07

at that party where the company where

1:01:09

you don't work, one of the employees grabs

1:01:13

Jacqueline on mass. Can

1:01:15

I snitch to HR

1:01:18

of that company that their employee

1:01:20

be grabbing asses at their parties?

1:01:23

Or is that just a free ass grab? Because

1:01:25

Jacqueline won't snitch on who did it

1:01:27

because it wasn't that big of a deal and

1:01:29

she doesn't want to make a big deal of it. But I'm

1:01:31

gonna find this motherfucker that Jacqueline

1:01:37

is your girl, So yeah, you gotta

1:01:39

write and a responsibility to make sure that

1:01:42

the person that did that, you

1:01:44

know what I mean, that they're hell responsible. Even though

1:01:46

Jacqueline doesn't work at that company and I don't work

1:01:48

at that company, this is still technically an HR issue

1:01:50

because it happened at a company function, right, that

1:01:53

is an agent of that company, and even

1:01:56

if they're in a public space, they are representing

1:01:58

that organization. Can

1:02:00

we invite him to meet us down from the corner of Eighth

1:02:02

Avenue by the train station. You

1:02:07

know what I'm saying? Like Roy and Jacqueline like to be

1:02:09

real corporate about things, My corporate bug is

1:02:11

burned. I can speak it. I just don't

1:02:13

like it so much, so I will be the one

1:02:15

to be like, look y'all are doing the right thing, just telling

1:02:17

him to come down to the to the escalator right

1:02:22

in front of the metro car machine.

1:02:26

I want his fucking name. I

1:02:29

want his fucking Patrick. Thank

1:02:31

you so much for coming on the job back. We got some family

1:02:33

business tint you man. We appreciate you. Man.

1:02:36

I want to say one more thing to Patrick for the bounces.

1:02:38

Good For all those brothers that you gave

1:02:41

advice and that didn't make it, I'm gonna say

1:02:43

thank you on their behalf because one

1:02:45

thing that I do know is that when I work back then,

1:02:47

I had somebody wonderful that looked out for

1:02:49

me in HR and gave me some solid as advice.

1:02:52

Um, and a lot of times young brothers don't have

1:02:54

anybody that talks to them about like

1:02:56

doing stupid ship like Daton, or party

1:02:58

with the folks that you you know, we're quit and all

1:03:00

that kind of stuff because other people treated like, you

1:03:02

know, it's an easy thing. So one by half of them brother that

1:03:04

didn't make it, thank you, Patrick. I appreciate

1:03:06

that everybody loves you, except

1:03:10

for that white dude. They tried to fight you at the subway.

1:03:15

You didn't want you didn't want to be smoke. Thank

1:03:17

you for having me pick. Thank you Patrick. After

1:03:20

the break, we're gonna bring it home. We're

1:03:22

gonna do another double up here my

1:03:25

treat. We're gonna do an impromptu relationship

1:03:27

fair with a reverend and

1:03:29

then talk about Burnett.

1:03:32

Why are you laughing, Jackelin is a reverend.

1:03:34

A reverend. Reverends can't have sex.

1:03:36

To know

1:03:41

the only reverend on the show, you can do whatever. I

1:03:46

didn't say that would lay

1:03:50

hands on him for

1:03:53

him. Job

1:03:59

fair. We'll be right, job

1:04:07

fair. Rounding

1:04:09

third and hit it for home. Before

1:04:12

we start talking about burnout and recognizing

1:04:14

the signs of burnout. We

1:04:17

got a really long email from

1:04:21

a motherfucker that apparently got done dirty

1:04:23

by a woman. And wait a minute,

1:04:26

well maybe he kind of did a dirty and John have

1:04:30

a difference of issues on this brother Um.

1:04:33

Rather than reported this email, I figured because

1:04:35

he is a loyal Day one episode

1:04:38

one listener would

1:04:41

have him on and said, thank you, this is the people's

1:04:43

podcast, j G. Who is this sad motherfucker?

1:04:46

Let run?

1:04:46

It's

1:04:50

pastor Ian Harris who

1:04:52

made time for us. But not the person that

1:04:54

he loves. So that's what it is. What

1:04:58

I'm saying. I

1:05:01

love it past. Welcome on the show.

1:05:04

A little impromptu relationship fair

1:05:07

here as we um wrap

1:05:09

up this episode. Now, you sent

1:05:12

us a ridiculously long email that

1:05:14

read rather sad, and I'm

1:05:17

gonna let you lay out everything it's

1:05:20

best you can with this woman.

1:05:23

You know, you live in New York and

1:05:25

she lived was she and Austin

1:05:28

get where was she in Houston? Okay,

1:05:31

New York to Houston. That's a far our flight. That's

1:05:33

a long long distance relationship, right there.

1:05:36

Take it. Take it from around Christmas, however

1:05:39

you want to tell the story, but just lay it off. Oh

1:05:42

yeah, this is fresh. This is brother

1:05:45

Ian. Brother Ian was one of you can

1:05:47

talk about Southwest. This was one of the brothers

1:05:49

sleeping in the airport. He probably still ain't got his bags.

1:05:52

Take it away. Let

1:05:56

you give me your bridge version. Met a woman at

1:05:58

work years ago. We

1:06:00

got together, Ye

1:06:03

got together during the pandemic. Things

1:06:05

worked out. Um she was from Houston,

1:06:07

I'm from New York. Were both working in Atlanta.

1:06:10

Um, Atlanta started tripping, things

1:06:13

started loosening up. I had an opportunity to go

1:06:15

back home. I got back home, realized

1:06:17

ain't no reason for me to go back to Atlanta.

1:06:19

So now we had a distant relationship. She

1:06:21

realized Atlanta's trash or she moved to Houston.

1:06:24

So we're doing the New York to Houston thing for about

1:06:26

two years. Um,

1:06:29

yeah, it's crazy. Finally convinced

1:06:31

his woman to move from Houston to New

1:06:33

York without a ring. You got a woman

1:06:35

to move without. But the ring was coming

1:06:38

before she actually moved.

1:06:42

So the weekend she comes, the weekend I'm going

1:06:44

to propose. Um,

1:06:47

we get into an argument. I'm proposing that Saturday,

1:06:49

and we get into an argument that Thursday.

1:06:52

I wake up, go to work, get

1:06:54

a text message saying it's over.

1:06:58

I go speeding home. Speeding home in New York

1:07:00

City is being stuck in traffic for ninety minutes? How

1:07:03

long had she been in town? She

1:07:06

got there to night before she

1:07:08

got that Wednesday, y'all argue Thursday

1:07:11

she broke up with you Friday morning? No,

1:07:13

Thursday morning? Wow, was

1:07:20

really that argument? So I'm speeding

1:07:22

home. I walked to the crib, my keys

1:07:24

on the on the counter, and I'm blocked

1:07:27

on every things social media, phone

1:07:29

blah, blah blah blah. I reached out to a mutual

1:07:31

friends like where she's at? He was your friends

1:07:34

like, Y'a'm sorry to tell you she's at the airport.

1:07:36

What kind of argument that, y'all? It

1:07:41

was nothing you could It was

1:07:44

was together two years, she was in town for

1:07:46

twenty four hours and she left.

1:07:49

It was it was a culmination of months of that's

1:07:51

being a jerk. That's that volcano. Then

1:07:53

bubbla, that's why I don't even ask. Yeah, it was

1:07:55

a coro to the month that that's being a jerky. So

1:07:58

y'all were arguing when you came into you saw

1:08:00

the first time. Y'alls arguing too, You lie about

1:08:02

your apartment being more than five square feet

1:08:04

or some ship. So

1:08:07

she leaves town, you come home, she's

1:08:09

gone, she leaves town. How do you get

1:08:11

this woman back? All right? So what happens

1:08:13

is, I mean, I'm going to phone. I'm I'm borrowing

1:08:16

my homies phone, trying to because I'm blocking

1:08:18

on everything. So she finally, you

1:08:20

know, talks to me um and she's like, it was

1:08:22

a dub Mon story short, I'm not coming back.

1:08:25

So yeah, it's rough. It's crazy. I heard Rory

1:08:27

story about the breakup. I was like, yo, I felt it. I'm

1:08:30

like, I can't. I just ready to take that He was ready

1:08:32

to take that ring back to sails and get your seven

1:08:34

hundred dollars back, Terry.

1:08:39

Um, Kenny can't sleep, blah blah

1:08:41

blah blah. You know, my mind's everywhere. I'm I'm in

1:08:43

church thinking about it, I'm out work thinking about

1:08:45

it. It's just crazy. Um.

1:08:48

So eventually I'm like, I know Christmas is coming.

1:08:50

Because we did the distance joint, we never

1:08:52

got to spend Christmas together. Um

1:08:54

the year before me like everybody

1:08:56

else in New York City Court COVID, I was supposed

1:08:58

to go down there. It's so in my mind,

1:09:00

I know I'm going to spend Christmas. I'm

1:09:02

gonna go down there. I'm going to stange the gifts be

1:09:04

like this big gesture. So Worth

1:09:07

had to ticket the six dollars.

1:09:09

Oh all right, let me go in.

1:09:13

So I finally get to Houston and

1:09:16

I hit her up and I'm like, yeo, I really just wanted exchange

1:09:18

gifts. Like I know, if it's too much for you, um,

1:09:21

we can be here in a public place. I really just wanted exchange

1:09:23

gifts. We meet. Um. We

1:09:25

meet someday night. She brings me a plate.

1:09:27

We exchange gifts. We have like the long for our

1:09:30

conversation, all the stuff I didn't

1:09:32

say during the relationship. Oh my god,

1:09:34

I say, And she was

1:09:36

like, well, why don't you say this before? All

1:09:39

right? So she leaves like I don't want to give me a hug like that.

1:09:41

She's like thinking, it's ruminating. So

1:09:44

the next day we meet.

1:09:48

She said, the guest with her you

1:09:53

I did. It was good food

1:09:56

for sure, all right. So

1:09:59

so fast forward. So on Monday, everything everything

1:10:01

that's cool, We held much blah blah blah blah. I'm prepared to

1:10:03

go. Then the Southwest de size to cancel everybody

1:10:06

Mama's tickets.

1:10:07

So I'm suck

1:10:09

in Houston. Southwest has not booking until

1:10:12

like next Monday. Now this

1:10:14

is Monday, so not booking for and

1:10:17

now this is before they capped the prices

1:10:19

for the other fights, like Delta

1:10:22

wanted eighteen hundred all this, I

1:10:25

get an American. I get an American fight

1:10:27

that Friday for fourteen hundred dollars.

1:10:30

Mind you, I'm extending my hotel's day for another

1:10:32

five days. It works out

1:10:34

that five days is great for us. Okay,

1:10:37

so that was a good thing. But after

1:10:40

everything is said and done between the hotels,

1:10:42

the flights be waiting in the airport.

1:10:44

Blah blah blah, I'm down about full grand

1:10:48

Um. Southwest is like sending all the receipts at

1:10:51

the similar to j G's points. I sent all the receipts

1:10:53

for the hotel, the airline, and the

1:10:55

upgrades. I kept the food receipts. I

1:10:57

send in the receipt from Del Frisco's and they probably

1:11:00

not going to recept that, but it is what it is. Good

1:11:03

brood. At what

1:11:05

point did she hit you back? I did she get

1:11:07

back at you at all? It's a long story short.

1:11:09

Instead of flying back to the Bardia, I fly

1:11:11

back at three m the Newark and she texted

1:11:14

me, well, I'm glad you got home safely. I really enjoyed

1:11:16

my week with you. So not fast

1:11:18

forward. I'm over here and it receives her Southwest

1:11:21

calculating everything, and she's like, well,

1:11:23

when do you want to fly after Houston? I don't

1:11:25

want to see a plane anytime soon, so

1:11:28

you don't want to see her.

1:11:29

That's what I'm going to I'm

1:11:32

going to she told

1:11:34

her. He didn't want to see her when you said I don't want

1:11:36

to see a plane. Okay,

1:11:40

so you and this woman are back

1:11:42

in correspondence. Is that what I'm understanding

1:11:44

in we are all

1:11:46

right? Question one and then I'll hand it

1:11:48

over the rock. Why

1:11:51

the funk didn't you propose when you took

1:11:53

your ass down there? So the first

1:11:55

damn question? So not question when we go to

1:11:58

Del Friscos. She

1:12:00

asked me to like, you're not proposing, are you? What

1:12:08

did you think? I

1:12:11

said, no, no, no, no, I just wanted you

1:12:13

should have You should have said in the receipt

1:12:15

for the ring to the sounds like you

1:12:22

have to read

1:12:24

you you didn't want to marry

1:12:26

this moment. I

1:12:31

absolutely do

1:12:34

what you want, have asked regardless.

1:12:37

Not after she was like, you're not proposing,

1:12:39

are you? Because that ship I'm

1:12:42

thinking to know, I'm thinking I'm a boarding mission

1:12:44

on that one. Regrouping Yeah, yeah,

1:12:47

reading room, good call call.

1:12:50

She didn't want it? That

1:12:53

really damn clear, like he told me. She

1:12:56

literally said, you're not proposing? Are

1:13:00

that would be assigned to me as a single

1:13:02

man? Maybe not now? Maybe

1:13:05

not here. You're a lot of women had a

1:13:07

proposal already scripted out in the head

1:13:09

and if you're in the wrong location, they'd gone

1:13:11

signal because this is a how it's supposed to be done.

1:13:14

Now, should Ian

1:13:17

still continue to talk to this

1:13:20

woman? And if not, how should

1:13:22

he break it off? This all

1:13:24

came she

1:13:28

She left you pretty high and dry.

1:13:31

She got off the plane with attitude twitter

1:13:34

flo hours later she was broke up

1:13:36

with you and went back across

1:13:38

the country. Now, I wouldn't have I wouldn't

1:13:40

have said a word. I wouldn't have left work. I'll

1:13:43

have just text the league on the count. I

1:13:46

wouldn't even girl. I would have been like, I know

1:13:49

that you don't block me

1:13:51

on that sounds like some little school ship.

1:13:55

I would have been done with her right

1:13:57

off the room. Y'all need that. Y'all need to

1:13:59

get the away from each other. Hang

1:14:03

up now, Jacqueline on some romance fight

1:14:05

for your love type ship. Is

1:14:07

it really simping to break sixteen? Hunter?

1:14:10

Is it really simping to go full g's in the hole

1:14:12

for a woman that you really want to be with and

1:14:14

you've realized after the fact that you're

1:14:16

fucked up? I think every man,

1:14:19

there's a lot of men who meet they sold me and

1:14:21

don't realize it till after they had already

1:14:23

sucked it up up Roy

1:14:26

to think about old girl who boys worked

1:14:29

at foot. This is not

1:14:31

about your crams in Fairfield.

1:14:37

I can't even partially hold the argument

1:14:39

of the well she gave me cram, but I want to marry

1:14:41

her anyway that that ain't gonna work.

1:14:43

Yeah, I think that's some major

1:14:46

simping, mostly just because it

1:14:50

didn't end in Like everything that happened

1:14:53

in Houston could have happened over the phone.

1:14:55

If you love this woman and

1:14:57

she really is the one, and

1:15:00

it really was you fucking up and not her.

1:15:03

It wasn't you were it

1:15:05

was me. So you didn't

1:15:07

so you didn't deserve a fifteenth

1:15:10

chance, but she decided

1:15:12

to give you one, and

1:15:15

then you went through all that trouble and she's still

1:15:17

like a y'all back together, like y'all engaged.

1:15:19

Now we're

1:15:22

good, No, not engaged, but we're good. I

1:15:24

haven't asked, because remember we went to

1:15:26

before the day came out? Are you talking about a

1:15:28

different New York city of Brooklyn and the one I'm

1:15:30

thinking of? There's women there, right, I

1:15:37

mean, why are you putting up with all this ship from

1:15:39

somebody on the outside of the country. It's

1:15:42

literally me as the chicks right outside your door.

1:15:46

When you feel like you have the one, you go after the one.

1:15:49

I feel like you should

1:15:51

propose, but I feel like you should do it right.

1:15:53

I feel like you should do it right. I

1:15:57

do not propose. She

1:15:59

doesn't want you to propose. She wants

1:16:01

you to Okay, it sounds like where

1:16:03

you at now is probation

1:16:05

their period if

1:16:08

you're serious about everything you

1:16:10

apologize for, and

1:16:13

then maybe in a couple of months maybe

1:16:15

it'll be time to get a game. It's but

1:16:17

it's still it's easier for her to just

1:16:20

deal with a cat that makes her feel good. It makes

1:16:22

her feel good about herself, even if she doesn't

1:16:24

truly want to be with him. That's good

1:16:26

enough for right now, which is wasting my dogs

1:16:29

in time. So you fucking put all the chips

1:16:31

in. You go all in, like Willie B said,

1:16:33

Hooker left in the Popeye's and build out

1:16:35

quick. If it's going down, let's get this

1:16:38

ship over with. So

1:16:40

whether the funk will you, let's

1:16:42

figure it out right now. Yeah, I mean that's real.

1:16:44

I mean, y'all, y'all been y'all did a lot

1:16:47

of back and forth. There's been a lot of money

1:16:49

spent, a lot of time two years. Yeah,

1:16:52

you need to just set her down on the on

1:16:54

the phone, please

1:16:57

over the phone and hang on. Definitely,

1:16:59

don't propose over the phone. I want to

1:17:01

marry you. Do you want

1:17:03

to marry me? If you don't want to marry me, then

1:17:06

let's just cut it off right now. Ain't no,

1:17:08

Ain't I ever gonna be the right gime if she

1:17:11

don't want you to propose, So you need to

1:17:13

just listen. I'm all in. If

1:17:16

you're not all in, then we need to stop

1:17:18

talking. There's no point in continuing

1:17:21

his days. It's been thousands upon thousand

1:17:23

dollars, thousands upon thousands

1:17:25

of miles two years during

1:17:27

the pandemic. Yeah, let's just let's

1:17:29

just get a clean slate popping. Do not

1:17:32

propose to her, and let me tell

1:17:34

you why. Because the two of you do not know how

1:17:36

to communicate. All you're doing

1:17:38

is getting ready to be divorced. So

1:17:40

unless you all go sit down and learn

1:17:43

how to communicate, two years

1:17:45

of something that you're just powling

1:17:48

on top of each other, that's

1:17:50

a recipe for disaster. That's why you're

1:17:52

in a situation right now, y'all

1:17:54

have really been in a relationship. There's been long business

1:17:56

for two years and the

1:17:59

minute y'all move being together twenty

1:18:01

years later, she runs back home. And

1:18:04

when you show up on some night and shoting

1:18:06

armerships, she's like, you're not proposing all you?

1:18:09

It don't sound like she's down. It's

1:18:13

right about that, man, y'all you need to have that conversation

1:18:16

with are we doing this? Are we're not doing

1:18:18

this? We gotta get married now, but like,

1:18:20

are we trying to be together? Because they're not. Man,

1:18:23

let's just say fuck it. Well, brother,

1:18:25

Ian, we thank you so much for coming on the show.

1:18:27

Brother, we appreciate you. Thank you for being

1:18:29

a listener. Good luck, good

1:18:31

luck home. I'm pulling for you, brother. I

1:18:35

think burnout it's

1:18:37

something that we don't talk about enough because

1:18:40

we live in a society where

1:18:43

in American society. I'm not talking global,

1:18:45

but in America, if you don't do

1:18:48

all this work, then you ain't a team player

1:18:50

and you quit on me. Get damn it.

1:18:52

We've been working, hey, Jack,

1:18:55

and I know you can't feel your toes, but I need

1:18:57

you to stay two most shifts down

1:19:01

his numbers, and it's done to meet the numbers.

1:19:03

God damnit if we need your hair, no,

1:19:06

unless I'm getting the bonus, I'm not staying. We

1:19:09

ain't giving your ship, but you get the reward

1:19:11

of no one that you've cared about

1:19:14

the team and get reveal in the sacrifice.

1:19:17

I don't care about the team.

1:19:18

No. Um,

1:19:21

you an't got the nicest bosses because my bosses

1:19:23

would never say like sacrifice. They just say,

1:19:25

you know you need this job right and

1:19:27

then like you stuck. You can't go nowhere when you see

1:19:30

my daddy and my mama taught me and

1:19:33

never be in that situation. Have

1:19:36

multiple strains of income in case

1:19:38

somebody tells you they don't need you anymore.

1:19:40

I'm like, okay, I

1:19:43

like your daddy. Your daddy kept like three

1:19:45

four hustles on the side

1:19:46

that had

1:19:49

had us cleaning buildings at night. But that's a whole

1:19:51

another store. Look kind

1:19:53

of tild

1:19:56

labor chimp were you raised in

1:20:00

at all? But today they're talking about

1:20:02

beating burnout. You know what burnout is,

1:20:04

and then you didn't after that you am

1:20:06

I burnout? You know? Am

1:20:08

I burn You know? Like I think that's I think

1:20:10

that's a fair way to try to split

1:20:13

this up a little bit. But j G, who do we have

1:20:15

on the line. It's Jason and

1:20:17

he lives in the Midwest as

1:20:19

a program manager for state government

1:20:22

and he recently wrote into the job

1:20:24

there about his personal experience

1:20:27

with burnout, and today he'll be

1:20:29

talking with the roy about what burnout

1:20:31

looked like for him, steps

1:20:33

he took to address it on the job

1:20:36

and what he does now to stay

1:20:38

healthy. Hi, Jason doing.

1:20:42

I I don't know if you know a little bit about

1:20:44

me, Jason, but I work at a television show

1:20:47

where the host just I

1:20:49

was just like, yeah,

1:20:52

I think this is gonna be the end

1:20:54

for me in a little bile. Thanks for having me as

1:20:57

the hot which came as a shock

1:20:59

to a lot of people. And so there are a lot of conversations,

1:21:02

you know, around you know,

1:21:04

a lot of the different causations, you

1:21:06

know, and you know, one thing that Trevor Knowla talked

1:21:08

about was the desire

1:21:11

to do other things and to be able to sit, steal

1:21:13

and be honest with himself about

1:21:16

what he wanted. And the more he thought about

1:21:18

the things that he wanted, The Daily

1:21:20

Show did not fit into that equation anymore.

1:21:22

And he was bold enough to walk away from that.

1:21:24

Now, talk to us a little bit about

1:21:28

just how you started coming

1:21:30

to grips or the just the general

1:21:32

realization of you know what, I don't think

1:21:35

I like where I'm at right now. Sure,

1:21:37

so I'm I'm the I'm the typical overachiever.

1:21:41

I mean, I wanna I

1:21:43

want to do all the things. I want to do them. Well. I

1:21:45

don't settle for anything less than perfect

1:21:47

and excellent, which is I

1:21:50

mean, honestly, that's a that's a set up for

1:21:52

failure. As I'm realizing, Um,

1:21:55

I have that bar sets so high. So

1:21:58

um as i'm as I'm working

1:22:00

and taking on more, I just wouldn't

1:22:02

turn down a task. I wouldn't turn down an assignment.

1:22:05

Um, we need somebody do this. I'm

1:22:07

your man, I'm gonna do that. Can can we get

1:22:09

a volunteer to I'll do that, Um

1:22:12

and volunteer. Yeah,

1:22:15

when no cash associate, I

1:22:17

figure I'm working, I might as well just might as well

1:22:20

working but for a game.

1:22:24

But how many you know, how many irons can you have in

1:22:26

the fire at one time? And uh

1:22:30

yeah, and it just it just started to catch up with

1:22:32

me. Um, you know, and

1:22:34

thinking about I guess if you want, I can go

1:22:37

into the kind of talk about

1:22:39

how that how I started to realize

1:22:41

I was in burnout mode. UM.

1:22:44

And a lot of it came from just being

1:22:46

with my family and realizing that

1:22:49

I'm not as available as I should be as I

1:22:52

once was. I'm

1:22:54

focused. I've always got work in the back of

1:22:56

my mind. Even when I'm trying to relax and just

1:22:58

enjoy life, I've still

1:23:00

got projects running through my head and assignments

1:23:03

and looking at the next day. Not not

1:23:05

looking forward to the next day, but looking

1:23:09

at what I'm gonna have to do. UM.

1:23:12

I tried to not look at my phone or not look at

1:23:14

email, but it's all still in my head and I'll

1:23:16

just keep dwelling on that. UM.

1:23:20

And that was that was really the start of

1:23:22

the burnout cycle and the

1:23:26

uh, just that trajectory down were

1:23:28

you. Were you lucky enough to

1:23:31

mentally realize that you were going through burnout

1:23:34

or did something physical manifest

1:23:36

itself to say that, holy sh it, I need to call it? Is

1:23:38

both really um so

1:23:41

so I I have both things. UM.

1:23:44

You know, having been ah in therapy

1:23:46

for so many years, like we realized that that's good

1:23:48

for us. So we get into therapy. We have somebody

1:23:50

to talk to and that's important. Um.

1:23:53

And it was all of that really

1:23:55

started to pay off when I can recognize that,

1:23:58

um, I'm not doing psychologically

1:24:01

emotionally, I'm hurting.

1:24:03

Um. So so Jason, when you

1:24:05

are dealing with these different

1:24:08

feelings that are manifesting themselves

1:24:10

physically and emotionally, walk

1:24:13

us through the day you quit the job. How did you quit

1:24:15

the job? Like when you finally say you know what,

1:24:18

I'm not right. I don't know how

1:24:20

to fix it yet, but I do

1:24:22

know continuing to show up

1:24:25

here in exchange for money will

1:24:27

kill me. Fuck y'all,

1:24:30

I'm hitting the door. Walk us through

1:24:32

that day of you quitting the job? Right,

1:24:34

So, So, I actually I had a step

1:24:37

before quitting, which is I think I think it's

1:24:39

important for people to realize that, Um,

1:24:41

if you're in a if you're in if

1:24:44

your employment where you're able to access your

1:24:46

fml A and get time off, um,

1:24:49

that's a health condition that you can you

1:24:52

can receive time off for. So I Uh,

1:24:55

my initial gut reaction was to

1:24:57

take some vacation time. But

1:24:59

the more I thought about that, I realized, well,

1:25:01

should I'm not gonna do anything fun. I'm gonna sit here and be

1:25:03

miserable and try and get better. That's

1:25:05

not a vacation. So let

1:25:08

me look at the sick time I have. UM.

1:25:11

So you know, I contacted my psychiatrists

1:25:13

and we talked a little bit, and he said, you know, you can access

1:25:15

fml A, you can go. You can have up to twelve

1:25:18

weeks off if you need it. Should I don't.

1:25:21

I mean, I don't need hopefully don't need twelve

1:25:23

weeks. But I got I got sick time, So I'm gonna still

1:25:25

get paid. I'm gonna still have my job. Um,

1:25:28

but I gotta get the funk out of here before I lose it.

1:25:30

I had spent a whole year two, you know, talking

1:25:33

to my team about taking care of themselves and mental

1:25:35

health and physical health and well being, and

1:25:37

saying, you need time off, go take

1:25:40

it. If you're not doing well, go take it. So

1:25:42

every time my team would come to me and ask request

1:25:45

time off, it was always granted, Yes,

1:25:47

take care of yourself, take care of your family, do whatever you

1:25:49

need to do. We'll figure it out. Um.

1:25:51

And then I was starting to realize that I was actually

1:25:53

burned out. So when it was time for me to

1:25:56

say I need time now. Um,

1:25:58

they were more understanding of that because

1:26:01

I have been preaching that for this whole

1:26:03

year now. I don't know if if not

1:26:05

my supervisor at the time, I don't know

1:26:07

if she was this understanding. But

1:26:10

they also when you say that

1:26:12

you're gonna be off and you're gonna use F M l A, you

1:26:15

know there's you can't get fired for that.

1:26:17

Um, they can be unhappy about it, but that's

1:26:20

where you turn the phone off and stop checking

1:26:22

emails. And that's what I did for

1:26:25

the better part of two and a half

1:26:27

three months straight

1:26:31

up i've been here. I noticed, like, let's

1:26:33

look real quick at some of the job burnout symptoms.

1:26:36

Um, have you become cynical or critical

1:26:38

at work? You drag

1:26:40

yourself to work and have trouble getting started?

1:26:43

Have you become irritable or impatient with coworkers,

1:26:45

customers, and clients. Do you find it hard to

1:26:47

concentrate? You feel disillusioned

1:26:50

about your job? Are you using food,

1:26:52

drugs or alcohol to feel better or to

1:26:55

simply not feel or

1:26:57

have your sleep habits changed or have you

1:27:00

are you troubled by unexplained headache,

1:27:02

stomach all problems for

1:27:04

other physical complaints. UM,

1:27:08

let's talk a little bit about how you

1:27:10

felt. Walk us through the quitting

1:27:13

um real quick here. So

1:27:16

I couldn't quit until I had another

1:27:18

position in place. I don't. I'm not lucky enough

1:27:21

to have multiple streams of income like j

1:27:23

G has spoken about it, like I can. Maybe I can't

1:27:25

do that, So I gotta have something else lined up.

1:27:27

And I was lucky enough to be able to find something

1:27:30

within state government. So it was

1:27:32

just it was a transfer within state

1:27:34

government, UM, which

1:27:36

was a good thing. Uh. And I was I

1:27:39

was so excited I had. I

1:27:42

didn't care for my boss, my supervisor.

1:27:44

So I I put in my two weeks. And I had

1:27:48

seen a floating around on the interwebs,

1:27:51

a card that's, you know, so sorry

1:27:53

for your loss, and you open it up and you said it's me,

1:27:56

I'm I'm gone, I'm leaving or whatever in two

1:27:58

weeks. So I got got

1:28:00

one of those cars and had a little audio recorder

1:28:02

in it, and uh, there's

1:28:05

a there's an audio clip that has been just

1:28:08

going through my head for the last ship

1:28:11

I don't know, fifteen years or so. It's Uh,

1:28:15

I adnitted the mood setter who quit

1:28:17

live on the radioIO quit

1:28:22

this bitch, like that's how she ended

1:28:24

it. So she's

1:28:26

got this whole long spiel

1:28:29

that she gives and then I quit this bitch and she shuts

1:28:31

it off. I recorded that and I put

1:28:33

that in that card, so I

1:28:36

had to get my formal notice. So I give my

1:28:39

formal notice, so it's all there. But

1:28:41

I also made a card and I gave

1:28:44

that card and it was sorry for your loss, and

1:28:46

opened it up and I repeat, going

1:28:48

through that whole thing. I quit this bitch, and

1:28:50

you couldn't turn it off. You couldn't do anything

1:28:52

unless you ripped it hard. Bro. That

1:28:55

was the most wonderful thing I could think to do.

1:28:59

Ja Sen, what was your

1:29:01

wife saying during this time

1:29:04

of burnout? Did she ever pull you to

1:29:06

the side and say look at you, jay bear? She

1:29:08

she did, yees yeah, And

1:29:10

we've and we've we've walked that. We've

1:29:12

been through, you know, mental health struggles

1:29:15

before. So I was receptive

1:29:17

to that. Um. I was in a position where I could be receptive,

1:29:19

and she was like, you know, you you got to get out

1:29:21

of there. Your physical health. Um. It

1:29:23

affected my memory, which was something that

1:29:26

I I didn't know that could affect

1:29:28

that burnout could affect memory. I thought I was having

1:29:30

like early onset dementia

1:29:32

Alzheimers. I'm like you, brother,

1:29:35

I'm a hard charger. I like to go, but

1:29:37

as I've gotten older now I've learned, like you

1:29:40

know, as much as I like to go, I

1:29:42

gotta put myself on like a stop mode, like you

1:29:44

know what I'm saying it. So I I really

1:29:46

really even I know it's not really recording right now,

1:29:48

You're okay, but I really I wanted

1:29:50

you to know that I really appreciate what you're saying and what you're

1:29:53

going through. I've been there. I know what it's like. Proud

1:29:55

of you also for taking care

1:29:57

of you, taking care of your family, your

1:29:59

wife, our kids, and the two dogs

1:30:01

that you're rescued. Thank you

1:30:03

very much for sharing your journey into choosing

1:30:06

yourself and hopefully those words will be

1:30:08

ones that everybody can heed,

1:30:11

including me. That's the show. Royce

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1:30:16

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it now. Will your rate and review

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us? Please? Even

1:30:39

even even when we're getting ready to take a

1:30:41

break, I still didn't beg you every other

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fucking episode, the review review,

1:30:48

some subscribet to notifications. Make

1:30:51

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1:30:53

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1:30:55

like it, can

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can rate and review the ship. And I

1:31:00

read every last one of them.

1:31:03

Yes, Lor she does. She read them and didn't

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bring them to me. I'm like Jaqueline, I don't be

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reading autumn reviews. I just that's

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1:31:14

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1:31:16

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1:31:18

nothing but healthy

1:31:20

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1:31:23

see you all against soon. Third. It's been a pleasure,

1:31:26

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1:31:44

tell many stories. Where's

1:31:46

what's another SIMP story I can come on with. Don't

1:31:49

want your podcast right? Oh,

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I'll tell the story about the time the girl left me at

1:31:55

the movies when I want to go see die Hard for Oh

1:31:58

my God, she drove. Oh

1:32:02

she left in the middle of the movie so she'd be right

1:32:04

back. And then just like a deadly dad, my

1:32:06

fucker was gone. Just left you in the theater

1:32:08

with the popcorner. What

1:32:10

you're doing that wasn't

1:32:12

funny? This is pretty Where I had to actually

1:32:15

call a cab. I had to physically get a yellow

1:32:17

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1:32:21

the number two. She

1:32:25

hear something you gotta listen to me on

1:32:27

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1:32:34

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1:32:36

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