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Welcome everyone to the Rp shrink pond.

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Guess I am next shot joined by

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Dr. Mike. what's up man it's arctic.

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would you say some ascent make I

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sound? I kind of slurred my speech

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and it sounded like around my called

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you the D word definitely didn't say

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hey in human errors start not violent

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riots and wow And we also have

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on a third guess a hey This

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is our second threesome now listen I

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felt dirty after a last one but

0:30

in a sense cleansed at first. The

0:32

first one was. This. Talked

0:35

him out Harrison We dove into

0:37

basically what suck to more? What

0:39

sucks More endurance or bodybuilding. Talked

0:43

about that one time but we have on

0:45

a long time. Rp Coach Doctor Nathan Jenkins.

0:47

what up? Hey guys, thanks

0:49

for having me! I'm glad the. My

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sloppy seconds s that he

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did he is sit on.

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Will. Know maybe I would be sloppy seconds if I like.

1:00

Got. It out on different park. As with

1:02

Alex everything that six yes there are couple

1:04

ways you could be sloppy seconds. they are

1:07

towards a right now years a guy that

1:09

like showed up to the or be like

1:11

five minutes after it ended and everyone's kind

1:13

of make it into shovel and they're like

1:15

oh what's up and like sorry guys are

1:17

took a wrong turn always to do with

1:19

as though it or we can like give

1:21

us a fifteen minutes and drink some O

1:23

j and we could just be right back

1:25

out of your heart aren't aren't sounds good?

1:27

undergo fluff up in the bathroom. Do have

1:29

five like five seconds into those. I'm realizing.

1:31

I need to be very very so Gg

1:33

with wanna take steps of my computer games

1:35

that as a spirit all over the keyboard

1:37

all over my fucking lotsa I've just never

1:40

know that reminds me of i have an

1:42

old school when i when he the he

1:44

walks in and he realized I was going

1:46

on and then he opens the door and

1:49

them forget the guy's name or and everybody's

1:51

I I can help you figure here for

1:53

the gaming. That big

1:55

a deal. The first: The first time

1:58

I watched that movie. I

2:00

watched it with my parents. I forget how

2:02

old I was. I don't know, seven? God.

2:04

Something like that? Because it probably came out

2:06

mid-2000s? Yeah.

2:09

Oh, God. I think I was

2:11

in college. Oh, man. God. Definitely

2:13

a parent. Bro. You

2:16

know what, though? I will say, man. So

2:18

my dad is very kind of straight-laced, but

2:20

there's only three times I recall in my

2:22

lifetime that I've just seen him almost die

2:25

of laughter. One

2:27

of those times was in American Pie

2:29

2. I happened to be watching

2:31

it with him, and Stiffler's getting peed

2:34

on off the upstairs balcony. I thought my dad

2:36

was going to die. I was like, I'm going

2:38

to have to revive him here. He was laughing

2:40

so hard. I'm pretty sure he

2:42

laughed a lot in old school, too, when- Thank God.

2:45

... maybe it's like, you know, when the old

2:47

guy, something happens to him, it's just like, such

2:49

a hilarious movie, though. Oh,

2:52

that's great. You dodged a fucking bullet on

2:54

that one, man. That could have gone like

2:56

really- I watched Magic

2:58

Mike with just my dad

3:01

start to finish. And

3:03

we were both like, that was interesting.

3:07

And believe it or not, my dad's pretty old

3:09

school, but he was like, oh, that was a

3:11

nice movie. And I was like, whoa, okay. Is

3:13

there male nudity in that? Oh,

3:15

I mean, like, yeah, hell yeah, there

3:17

is not. I don't think it's explicit nudity,

3:19

but there's just a lot of dudes dancing.

3:21

I would much- like, real talk, I would

3:23

much rather see a dude's cock just for

3:26

like a second or two on the screen

3:28

than I would an entire movie about dudes

3:30

dancing seductively. You know

3:32

what I'm saying, man? All

3:35

of a sudden, we're just going to see Nathan. He just gets

3:38

off the screen. He's like, yep, nope, not worth it. Hey,

3:41

I'm here for this. I'm wondering if this

3:43

is the episode where the RFP podcast finally

3:46

actually does get canceled. Because I listened to

3:49

pretty much every episode. And there's always this

3:51

like kind of like question in the air,

3:53

like this kind of tension. You guys

3:55

are like toeing the fucking line of like, this might be

3:57

the day that we get canceled. If it's my episode. Our

4:01

i don't bother my them for the

4:03

soon as i can solve these are

4:05

people exist or know my my cancelled

4:07

out by my glasses of our their

4:09

a death. Or

4:13

it's a half men. This again be a

4:15

great transition. Yeah six six assists so so

4:17

speak of a magic makes it nice and

4:19

are really into to smoking meets. Can you

4:22

elaborate a little? Bam Were on this. Okay,

4:25

we're sorry they're on aug the pass

4:27

and. I

4:30

mean this. a. I'm just like dollars

4:32

and every day is. Eileen hard into the

4:34

stereotype I'm embracing where I'm at, my life.

4:36

I'm a I'm forty. I'm.

4:38

A homeowner of got a yard and loved

4:40

the fucking low It. I

4:43

wouldn't. writings and writer or how to

4:46

push. For. All types of getting

4:48

an erection that's a real man

4:50

is. Yet. I've been any

4:52

more like a my bit My most recent major

4:54

birch sexy but I upgraded my mower this past

4:56

weekend de los a spent I will not say

4:58

how much money spent a hundred more but I

5:01

felt like says you know I'm I don't pay

5:03

somebody to do a form I do myself so

5:05

side you know. How likely are

5:07

you know fitness equipment visit and that same kind

5:09

of realm for me he didn't do is show

5:11

up the cash for the things you're actually going

5:13

to use the that's where I'm at on some.

5:17

And ah like the at for me they

5:19

to these are going back to your question

5:21

Nick the barbecue thing. Falls. Under

5:23

this general umbrella of like a just

5:25

like embracing this like stereotypical four year

5:27

old man, Dad lives cloud life says

5:30

that his cousin pointed questions to see

5:32

how deep into Dad my she really

5:34

gotten herself access to you were flannel.

5:36

I don't slam and don't ask me

5:39

I live in Georgia too hot sun

5:41

rises In his words that I live

5:43

in Michigan as I have a lot

5:45

of cinema. Okay, so you're back. And

5:47

six months. When

5:50

other stuff to moves do

5:52

you sip? On craft beers

5:54

as you smoke you're a

5:56

bourbon. Costs still well and

5:58

dad territory. stupid. I don't know. I

6:01

don't know. Beer makes me feel fat. Like

6:03

I get too bloated from it, but bourbon is like...

6:05

I hate that. Yeah. But bourbon

6:07

is a... Yeah. So that's my

6:09

alcohol choice. You know, once in a

6:11

while. Are you like a bourbon snob? Because I

6:13

know like a lot of people into that. They're

6:15

like very peculiar about stuff. Well, honestly, I try

6:17

to be. But here's the thing. I cannot tell

6:20

the difference. A $25 bottle of bourbon and a $150 or $200

6:22

bottle. I've

6:26

tried it. It all tastes... Honestly,

6:28

it tastes like... To me, I've acquired... I

6:30

enjoy it. Like, but I can't distinguish. Like,

6:33

if I did a blind taste test, I couldn't tell. I

6:36

got a question on that. Okay. Because here's

6:38

the thing. I don't like... People ask me,

6:40

they're like, oh, do you drink? I'm like, no. I

6:42

honestly never drink. But it's because I hate the

6:45

taste of it. I'm like, this is fucking awful.

6:47

Like, why do people do this to themselves? So

6:49

my question is, how long does it take you

6:51

to get that acquired taste of like, you actually

6:53

enjoy it? Like you look forward to it. Yeah.

6:56

I've been to the rest of my pre-RP days, honestly, where

6:58

I drank probably too much. There's a whole... Like,

7:02

I acquired the taste by drinking to

7:04

excess. That's

7:06

like... So, but

7:08

now, I mean, it's one of those things where I have

7:11

to like regulate it and like, you know,

7:13

do it in moderation and occasionally and all that

7:15

kind of stuff. But

7:17

for whatever reason, I don't know how long

7:19

it takes. Like when you... If you were to

7:21

do it, like I think both of you guys from talking with you and like you

7:23

guys have been open about this on social media. You drink

7:25

like once a year maybe or maybe, I think maybe

7:27

you said recently, you might never just do it again.

7:30

At this point, Nick and I are like completely

7:32

independently with no communication about it,

7:35

arrived at exactly the same trajectory

7:37

of drinking. We tried to do it in college. We got drunk a

7:39

few times. It was fun, but then I

7:41

get really, really sick. Fuck this, I'm never drinking

7:43

again. And then eventually you just drink less

7:45

and less and less. Right. And then you're like, oh, I'm going

7:47

to drink this holiday season. It's going to be fun. You drink

7:50

it. It tastes like fucking shit.

7:52

All alcohol, drinking... Rubbing alcohol to us. I

7:55

can just be sucking a fucking alcohol pad for

7:57

all I can tell. in

8:00

our RV world because I think a lot of

8:02

our clients and our, you know, the client

8:04

base, the customers struggle with this or like, or have questions

8:06

about this is one of the most frequent questions I get,

8:08

I know over the years, you guys, like, how do you

8:10

balance alcohol with all this? It's a weird place

8:12

to be where, you know, if you

8:14

enjoy it and how do you balance it

8:16

once in a while, well,

8:19

like, for you guys, like, you guys are like a

8:21

little bit different, I think, than most of the clientele.

8:25

If you just only try to drink, like, try

8:27

to be like socially, maybe you're in a social setting where

8:30

it's like normal to do it. Oh,

8:32

I drink alone. I drink alone. If

8:34

you used to do it like once every

8:37

six, 12 months or something, yeah, it's gonna be terrible. I

8:40

gotta train up to this hobby. This is nuts, it's

8:42

like working out. Like, historically

8:45

for me, like, I had that, like,

8:47

lifestyle. I enjoyed that time.

8:49

More of a social thing. Social

8:51

thing, but like now, to this day,

8:53

like, from 2017 when I started

8:55

RP, similar to what you

8:57

guys, made this, like, came to this conclusion, like, for

8:59

me, I don't get, I rarely,

9:02

and I can't remember last time, I don't get drunk

9:04

anymore. Like, that's where

9:06

I'll talk. Like, I'm not gonna drink. Because you drink so much,

9:08

it's impossible to get drunk. That's

9:11

what that sounded like. No, that's not,

9:13

I'm kidding. Like,

9:15

I don't seek that out. Like, I will never take a

9:18

shot again. Like, people are doing shots to keep it out

9:20

of their mouth. But

9:22

like, I'll sip something while I'm going back to the

9:24

original question. Like, while I'm sitting there waiting on my

9:26

meat to smoke, which takes me eight,

9:28

12 hours sometimes, I'll have a glass of

9:30

bourbon sitting on my back porch or whatever. And

9:34

also, it's even better if it's like, just with friends having

9:36

a good conversation, there's some like, good music playing in the

9:38

background, some Post Malone or some. Oh,

9:40

God, what the fuck? I think he said good

9:43

music. You don't like Post Malone? Come on, dude.

9:45

No, I've not enough Xanax to like Post Malone.

9:48

Well, maybe, I think Post Malone

9:50

is my Xanax. I don't have

9:52

Xanax. Like, the

9:54

sound of his voice just like, pokes Xanax into

9:56

your body. My call. Hey,

9:59

listen to the light. trance electronic music. Hey, shut up,

10:01

Nick. You're not going to make fun of me for

10:03

my weird nerd music. Mike,

10:06

don't you not listen to any music when you

10:08

train? Usually I don't, correct. I'm

10:10

getting into that. And this is not a

10:12

derail what we're on. Don't worry. There's no

10:14

rails to this conversation, my friend. It's

10:17

like a blind child in a go kart going around

10:19

in circles, hitting things. Perfect. I have a two-year-old son,

10:21

and that's exactly what that says. So

10:24

I'm getting more and more into endurance

10:26

training right now. That's my current like.

10:28

Oh, my man. I

10:30

still crossfit four to six days a week, usually five, six

10:32

days a week. But three

10:34

or four sessions a week are focused on endurance running.

10:37

And I'm training for a 10K, and I want to

10:39

do well with it. I'm not just going to do

10:41

the 10K. I've got like a

10:43

pace goal. What do you consider well? What would

10:45

be your pace? For me, it's about 50 minutes for the 10K.

10:48

50, 5-0. 5-0, yeah. OK.

10:51

For the 10K. Gotcha. And at the interval, like the pace

10:53

that I'm hitting on my intervals right now, this is three

10:55

months out. I'm like well on track.

10:57

I might adjust like obviously a little bit more aggressive.

11:01

But to expect the music thing, like

11:03

I'm doing a couple workouts a week

11:05

now with no headphones. Just

11:08

like suffering on the

11:10

hill repeats like with nothing. And I actually really

11:12

like it. Sadistically, you know,

11:14

like amathagistically, I'm really enjoying that. And

11:17

I thought if you might, when I

11:20

thought maybe somebody else would suggest that to me. Like that

11:22

makes you mentally tougher to just take your. It was a

11:24

situation where I was texting with a friend who's like

11:26

I said, oh, shit. They're not charged. And I've

11:28

got to go run now. Otherwise, I'm not going to get in. And

11:31

she was like suck it up. And

11:33

so many words like suck it up. You

11:36

can swear on this. She didn't say that. But

11:38

like yeah. And that's basically it. And I was

11:40

like you're right. I need to do that. I

11:42

think it's very much with what Alex Harrison was

11:44

kind of getting at on the

11:46

last episode where like there's a little bit of just

11:51

mellowness of just like you just kind of embrace it and

11:53

you just lean into it. And then here's like. And that's

11:55

like a cave and you just hang out there. And

11:58

yeah, it was any kind of train. That's like a sweet

12:00

spot. Where it's not like soul crushing to the

12:03

point where you just like are

12:05

discouraged and don't want to go back to it. But

12:07

it's like I'm hurting right now, but I know that I can

12:09

do – I can – if I just like drum

12:14

up the fortitude, have some function, right? So

12:16

I've actually gotten to the point. So here's

12:18

how I use music. I don't – I

12:21

would enjoy some type of music on, but like I'll post

12:23

videos and there's random music on in the background. People

12:27

are like, what are you listening to? I'm like, I don't

12:29

actually know. It's just kind of – it's noise. It's usually

12:31

like country music for the most part, which is just like

12:33

super mellow and chill. And

12:35

I know like Mike and especially Scott, the YouTube guy

12:37

just absolutely loves it. They're such big country music fans.

12:39

It's so crazy, dude. Actually, they love it. Actually, they

12:42

used to be a country musician. I don't talk

12:44

about that too often that I had a country

12:46

music career. I'm right there with you and Scott,

12:48

Mike, on the country music. Oh, you hate it

12:50

too? You live in Georgia, dude. Georgia's like the

12:52

birthplace of country music. I'm born and raised in

12:54

Georgia and I cannot stand country music. Okay. So

12:58

there's some new kind of more modern country

13:00

music. It's kind of like totally in the

13:02

line with like pop. Yeah, sure. And if

13:05

I can tolerate it – You

13:07

tell real country music fans that you

13:09

like pop country, you're getting stabbed at

13:11

a fucking bar for that shit. Yeah.

13:13

Yeah, no, it's not for me. Garth

13:16

Brooks hasn't been in country music since 1992, god damn

13:18

it. I

13:20

went to a Garth Brooks concert last summer.

13:23

I was amazed at how good he was,

13:25

man. I bet it's a good show. Oh

13:27

my god, it was amazing. This guy is

13:29

like, I don't know, 50, maybe over 50?

13:32

50 over 50. He comes out in a light blue shirt that

13:34

like I'm wearing here. 30 minutes

13:36

in, it was dark blue because he was just drenched

13:38

in sweat. Yeah. And summertime in Charlotte,

13:40

it's so humid. I was like, oh my god, this guy's going

13:43

to have a heart attack. But dude, just –

13:45

I mean, he's been – I mean, we

13:47

just recorded an episode about what it takes to be

13:49

successful. Dude, holy shit, that guy's been putting on concerts

13:51

for 30 years. It's like

13:53

a walk in the park for him. Yeah, yeah.

13:55

But sorry, the reason I talked about music was

13:58

real quick to bring this back. is

14:00

it's just kind of there. And to

14:03

me, if I need a little boost, then I

14:05

might kick on something that's going to be, you

14:07

know, like your jam, you're kind of like go

14:09

to maybe some M&M. And then I'm almost like

14:11

psychologically gives me a little boost during peak week

14:13

or like something where I need to get riled

14:15

up. But like if you're always riled up, right?

14:17

It's that physical psychological stimulus, it's like

14:19

it loses its effect. So if you can just

14:22

chill out a little bit, like the no music

14:24

thing, oh man, when you kick it on, eventually,

14:26

you need a little something like you're going to

14:28

get a little more out of it. Same

14:30

with caffeine kind of. I was just thinking that

14:32

like, I was just going to say exactly that,

14:34

like just like caffeine or some kind of, yeah,

14:36

once in a while. That brings me to a

14:38

question I have for you, Nathan. Okay, good. We

14:40

can like, there's no rails, but we

14:42

can bring it back maybe on some semblance of a

14:44

track. So yes, yes, yes. Yes,

14:46

our metaphorical kid is currently upside down in

14:48

a pool still stepping on the gas. So

14:50

we're going to get a

14:52

rig to get them out and put them on some grass. So you

14:57

are one of our RP superstar coaches. In

14:59

front of seen amount of money, people can

15:01

hire you even when those

15:04

things. Yes.

15:07

Yes. Paying money. Yes, exactly.

15:09

Do you ever have? I know

15:11

you do. So tell us a story about

15:13

clients you've had before that hit

15:15

you up asking for motivation

15:18

or inspiration or a spark. Do you

15:20

have a go to way you think

15:23

about that? Because

15:26

I have some go to things that I think about when people

15:28

ask me like, how do I get motivated? I have some clever

15:30

shit to say. How do you deal

15:32

with that as a coach? Because it's easy to deal

15:34

with technical requests. Like how many? But oh, fucking we

15:36

used I do my mental cycle again, a problem. But

15:38

what if they're like, dude, I'm really struggling. And I'm

15:40

kind of just like, do you have anything to kind

15:42

of say to push me along? We ever

15:44

had that happen? And how would you do? How do you deal with

15:48

them? Couple times a week, probably a couple times

15:50

a day. Holy shit.

15:52

Yeah. All right. Good question, Mike.

15:55

Great question. Dr. Mike. Don't

15:58

call me Dr. Mike. Jesus Christ. The

16:00

people claim him as a true fuck.

16:02

You stand on that. The fact that,

16:04

ah, But ah

16:06

no wasn't It happens all the time

16:08

and is my response. I'll say this

16:10

first and foremost it varies based on

16:12

hopefully I know the client to some

16:15

degree so I can be the more

16:17

the rather might be couple different ways.

16:19

I answer that by a products big

16:21

that's really important as good as actually

16:23

made up another thing to talk about

16:25

but for the large swaths of the

16:27

population probably say eighty to ninety percent

16:29

of the. People who ask me that question

16:31

my answer is probably not what they really

16:33

want to hear because I'm not going to

16:35

try to get their try to get the

16:37

motivate them help them shit their mindset away

16:39

from seeking out motivation while also a son

16:42

of behind the scenes like below the radar

16:44

motivated and a little bit of just from

16:46

my feedback but really what they're seeking is

16:48

not because I mean you guys talk about

16:50

this, I'm not going to say it's you

16:52

that seat if you've ever heard. Of.

16:54

Probably muscle listeners here have heard this

16:56

before but reporters Molson our listeners are

16:58

totally just degenerates. There's nothing better to

17:00

do them as nor podcast the have

17:03

no hope they have no friends. they

17:05

barely or stand language or speaking on

17:07

aug of are actually bought that we

17:09

hire out of Russia to protest listens

17:11

that will yourself speak freely sir at

17:13

well okay else that sets the hits

17:15

well as you're seeing business as he

17:17

consults erotic this oh no they know

17:19

they have it out. Innovate yet there

17:21

they and then we hopefully they realize

17:24

I'm kidding. If not they sure as

17:26

is probably my destined to be our

17:28

audience would say of people are so

17:30

listening to this point there's no more

17:32

fitting that know we've heard on our

17:34

from i said they expect nothing less

17:36

as he was a compliment them he

17:38

would they would probably be quite surprised

17:40

and review egregious is weird or know

17:42

it is to shift the mindset away

17:44

from commitment more toward are far away

17:46

from motivation a more towards commitment season

17:48

on. Aaron. And it is

17:50

like listen Motivation I just like

17:52

we need the finer terms here

17:54

like motivation I'd I'd define it

17:56

as like and as an emotional

17:58

state prison. are feeling

18:01

like fired up, railed towards something

18:03

100% like ready to just like

18:05

charge through a

18:07

brick wall because you're just like really

18:09

intensely excited about want it you desire

18:12

it want it you desire your your your

18:14

in pursuit of a goal right here right

18:16

now you want it yesterday. So let

18:19

me like charge a heart today. That's wonderful.

18:21

And like I'm not going to say like throttle

18:23

back on that necessarily. But we need to understand it

18:25

for what it is. Because it's as

18:28

just like with anything that is felt,

18:32

believes with

18:34

any like that level of intensity, by definition

18:36

is fleeting. I mean, there's lots of parallels

18:38

here you like you push the gas pedal

18:40

on your vehicle really, really hard guess what's

18:42

gonna happen. You're gonna burn the gas

18:44

in the tank really quickly, as opposed to

18:46

just like a more gentle like pressing the on

18:48

the pedal. Same thing

18:50

with it. Like I'm I were I live in

18:52

the CrossFit world. We talk all the time and

18:55

cross it about pacing workouts. You go out

18:58

and you got a five round workout and you

19:00

go out at full tilt. And that first round,

19:02

well guess what around three, four, you're gonna be

19:04

like have a come to Jesus moment like I

19:07

made a mistake, right? Can

19:09

can really trip people up. So what

19:11

I was like, let me just finish

19:13

the thought real quick. Just shut

19:15

up. Just to close the loop here just quickly. What

19:18

I want to do is like, that's not really

19:20

what you want for the long term trajectory, but

19:23

the long term goal. You're like I go back

19:25

to what the client told me on their intake

19:27

questionnaire about what their goals are for the three,

19:29

six, 12 months, whatever timeframe that is that they're

19:31

working with me and say, let's talk about this

19:34

goal. That's a six month goal. What

19:37

do you need to do today to propel

19:39

you towards that goal at an

19:42

appropriate pace? It's not

19:44

necessarily motivation. It's commitment. It's having a

19:46

two things commitment to that goal

19:49

that's going to keep you on track regardless

19:51

of how you feel, whether you're motivated or

19:53

not. And two is consistency in

19:55

execution of your plan. Those

19:58

are the two biggest lessons. think any client

20:00

of mine can ever learn is focus on

20:03

commitment rather than motivation and think about consistency

20:05

over perfection. These are just RP mantras, you

20:07

know, like I'm preaching to the choir right

20:09

now. So anyway, I love to hear that

20:11

need to cut you off, but like that's,

20:15

uh, you have a few things to answer, uh, Mike's

20:17

question. So I think this might be, I

20:20

bet you've probably had some similar experiences with working

20:23

with like beginners because I think this is a common

20:25

thing, but the springs of mind cause that

20:27

my son's track meet on Saturday and he's running the 800

20:30

meter. I saw your post on that. That's

20:32

awesome. What is he running? The what, what 800 meters,

20:34

a sixth grader. What the fuck? There's

20:36

a middle school meet and I watch the

20:38

run. I want my thunder crazy. I watched

20:41

the first heat go out. Here's on the

20:43

second heat and there was like,

20:45

cause weirdly there was some fifth graders here. So the middle school

20:47

meet, I don't know how that works, but there are some fifth

20:49

graders. It's 12th grade. Sixth

20:54

grade. Okay. Mm hmm. But

20:57

I distinctly after about five seconds of

20:59

watching these little kids at

21:02

the start when the gun went off, I said, Oh, they're

21:05

not pacing themselves. Yep. And you just

21:07

turn the rocket on. Yeah. Cause

21:10

I'm like, this is 800 meters, man. This

21:12

is two laps. Good news,

21:14

bad news kid. 300 meters in everyone starts

21:16

to everyone starts catching

21:19

them. And I kind of felt bad for him, but

21:21

man, it is a hell of a lesson to learn

21:23

when you're that age. Cause I had like the first

21:25

thing I told my son, he was like, you know,

21:27

he was going to start running cross country. I'm like,

21:30

you're going to have this urge when the gun goes off

21:32

because you're filled with that adrenaline, just like clients

21:35

are filled with that motivation. They want to

21:37

run through that fucking wall. Right. On day

21:39

one, right? I was like, resist that urge,

21:41

resist, resist that urge. Because if you do,

21:43

quarter mile down, you're going to be gassed. I

21:47

personally made that mistake my senior year

21:49

at, um, cross country

21:51

state final. I hate this story. It's

21:53

tragic. Fuck you, Mike. But

21:56

like, no, I'm, I'm being supportive. Nick, I had

21:58

a I wish I could turn

22:00

back time, right? But

22:04

I... That's the real seminal moment you lost

22:06

the success trajectory in your life, Nick. You

22:09

really lost it at states and fucking... Anyway, sorry,

22:11

go on. Dude, no, man. You learn valuable lessons

22:13

through sports and all that stuff, but you gotta

22:16

make a bunch of failures and mistakes to learn

22:18

from. Hopefully not redo them later on in life,

22:20

but I went out like a bat out of

22:22

hell because I was so fired up and I

22:24

was like, I'm gonna run

22:27

this certain time. And dude, I was...

22:29

Did you long? Did you hit the wall? Oh

22:31

yeah. Oh yeah. Well,

22:33

you probably... You more than that,

22:35

you probably just blew up, like exploded lactic acid

22:37

and all that kind of stuff. Just

22:39

like... Yeah, no, I didn't even run anywhere close

22:42

to a PR. I was probably like 30 seconds

22:44

off PR because I just... You

22:47

probably PR'd your 200. And

22:50

then... Yay! Right? Like,

22:54

you just go out so fast. You PR'd the first 200,

22:56

400 and... There you

22:58

go. But Nathan, how about clients that wanna

23:00

do that though? Yeah, so I actually got

23:02

two groups. I got two groups who do

23:04

that. Like you said, one is the beginners.

23:07

Actually sometimes I see it... Like, I've been doing this a

23:09

little while now. It's very

23:11

interesting to me to see the people who come back to

23:13

me after like maybe

23:15

multiple cuts. Like I've got multiple...

23:17

At this point, I've got clients who come back to me

23:20

in 2023, 2024 after having first worked

23:22

with me in 2018, 2019. And

23:25

maybe... You know, coming facing in and out of coaching since

23:27

then. And a lot of these folks in

23:30

that third or fourth round of coaching... God, I...

23:32

And I love... I mean, I can't... It's hard

23:34

to pick a favorite group of clients, but I have

23:37

a particularly like soft spot or like I'm

23:39

really interested in working with this group. The

23:41

ones that pay you the most, right? Well,

23:44

I make the most money up of them for

23:46

sure. But like actually truly as a coach, like

23:48

my... Very sincerely, my thing

23:50

with a lot of these folks is like, hey, look, I'm gonna...

23:52

Well, if this is your fourth time working with me, let's make

23:54

this the last one. Yeah. Damn,

23:57

you're firing these motherfuckers. Well,

24:00

I mean, I think there's plenty of there's plenty of

24:02

fish in the sea or whatever. Like I can show

24:04

you like I need to I need the new people

24:06

I don't need you guys to come keep coming back.

24:09

I need you to like move on and find a

24:11

sustainable approach. And like I will

24:13

say this, I don't know, I can't put a number

24:15

to it. But a large

24:17

percentage, I would say a majority of people after like

24:19

maybe one or two rounds, they're like, okay, this is

24:21

the way I live now. This way, eat now. You

24:24

know that like we're masters

24:26

of sustainability in

24:29

the long term approach, but I get there's a there's

24:31

a sizable minority of people who like kind of keep

24:33

coming back. And I'm sure you all on the app

24:35

side of things see it too. Like you got these

24:37

like lifelong subscribers to the app. And maybe there's doing

24:40

maintenance or whatever, but like people who like keep cutting

24:42

over and over and over again, like let's get past this.

24:44

Like let's not let's like what if you never have to

24:46

cut again unless you want to for like, yeah,

24:48

I mean the world you guys live in, which

24:50

is probably. There's purely aesthetic reasons kind of sharp

24:53

enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, cut mass

24:55

cut repeat, but not like, oh, I gained 20

24:57

pounds again. Fuck my life. Like,

25:00

let's move on like, like one example that comes to

25:02

mind. This is a few years ago. So like I

25:05

can I feel like I can talk about it. And

25:07

I don't think this individual here. Oh, they're gonna hear

25:09

man. We're gonna contact us. This

25:12

is this is a person who's like,

25:14

she wanted to get into any

25:16

names. No, no, of course, and it's

25:19

but wanted to get like ready for

25:22

to be in a bridesmaid stress. And

25:24

this I've often put on by domain stresses. So

25:27

I can relate. Yes. Yes. Next

25:30

time you're in a bridesmaid. Right. But

25:32

she's like in her mid 30s at this point, and

25:34

was like, I've been doing this for 10 years with

25:37

all the ways that she'd ever been in. And it's

25:39

like, hey, listen, what if we could get you to

25:41

a place where the next time you're asked to be

25:43

in a wedding, you just walk to the wedding naked.

25:47

Such good shape that address doesn't disservice to

25:49

your dress. Right. But you know, saying like,

25:51

oh, yeah, it's like, wake up that day

25:53

and put on the bridesmaid dress and you're

25:55

ready to go. That to me is a

25:58

successful maintenance phase. That's what are like that's

26:00

your life, right? And that's what

26:02

I'm super passionate about getting like these people who come back to me

26:04

over and over again. How

26:06

do you how do you how do you how do

26:08

you try to help get them there? Like, do you

26:10

do? Well, do you talk to them specifically? Like, how

26:13

do you how do you well, like, when it comes

26:15

to like, so again, for the for the

26:17

clients who come back for like a third or

26:19

fourth time, it's like, I'm so glad to see

26:21

your name come through my inbox, which is super,

26:24

you know, sincere and everything. I

26:27

love, you know, I've loved working with you the last

26:29

couple times, like, let's talk about goals for this time

26:31

around. And then they tell me their goals. And then

26:33

it's my response to that, whatever they

26:35

say their goals like, what is usually something kind of

26:38

generic, like the same kind of goals that they have

26:40

before, like, you know, what last time I worked with

26:42

you, I got to this weight, I've gone on maintenance,

26:44

which is not the appropriate term for what they've done.

26:47

Yes, yes. And maintenance,

26:49

realistic masking. Yeah, like

26:51

accidental massing 1520 pounds

26:54

or whatever it's been. I just want to lose back

26:57

to that. And I'm like, okay, yes, let's do that.

26:59

For these three, six months, whatever it is. Yes,

27:01

let's do that. But I want you to think and this

27:03

goes back to my coaching philosophy, which I've

27:05

shared with you guys, I want you guys to think about

27:08

if you send up for this next three month

27:10

term, where you will be in six

27:12

months. Now where you would be in 12 months, where you

27:14

want to be 24 months, what do you want to be

27:16

in fucking five years, project out like what do you want

27:18

to be here at 70s? You know, let's have those

27:21

dead kind of vision naked. Yes,

27:23

70s still make it. Don't

27:26

make it and dead. Yeah, really

27:28

both. Right. So anyway, that's the

27:30

kind of mindset that I challenged

27:32

them and that those early conversations

27:34

back and forth to start thinking more long

27:36

term because more often than not, if they're

27:38

back with me, for the third

27:40

or fourth time, it's a failure of thinking long term.

27:43

Yeah, it's focusing on short term time and

27:46

time again. And maybe it's on

27:48

me, and I'll own it. But maybe I haven't emphasized

27:50

this enough in the first two or three

27:52

terms. For sure, like, I try

27:54

to do that all the time. But like, there are

27:56

some people who need to hear it more. And

27:58

so if something's come back to me, three or four times like

28:00

oh gosh this is why I didn't do double down on with this line.

28:02

100% dude you know what sort of

28:05

trivia is have you found that especially

28:08

in those first couple of times some

28:10

people are really ready to hear it and when

28:12

you're telling them hey it's all about maintenance it's

28:14

all about getting there and staying in there and

28:16

getting those lifelong habits built some

28:18

people are there for it and they hear you and

28:20

they're listening and they're like yes yes yes and they

28:22

kind of process it and sometimes they get it right

28:24

sometimes they get it wrong but you find that some

28:27

other people they're like giving you that shit was like

28:29

yeah totally so anyway got that wedding in October still

28:31

got on track for that right and they just kind

28:33

of clearly do not give a shit yeah I don't

28:35

want life anything they just want to get fucking lean

28:37

for this wedding and they're gonna be back when they

28:39

regain the weight but it takes a couple of cycles

28:41

from the kind of get it like I

28:43

wasn't joking when I said it's all about

28:45

maintenance. 100% and you know I have a

28:47

couple of signs when I for

28:50

me to know that that's where somebody's at. Ooh

28:52

tell us tell us I love this kind of shit. Usually

28:54

they'll follow it like it'll be a sometimes it'll be

28:56

like the next email or it'll be like a week

28:58

or two or a month later I'll get questions like

29:01

hey Nathan what do you think about like what if

29:03

I just fasted this week? Fuck! Terrible

29:05

terrible sign. That's what it tells me is

29:07

where they're at. Yeah

29:11

and that's where I put on my art of coaching

29:13

hat you know like you guys we talk about this

29:15

all the time like the biggest part of this job

29:17

for me is reading the eat like reading the clients

29:20

it's all by email mostly just

29:22

like you can tell a lot just by

29:24

reading you know. Oh yeah. You can tell

29:26

a lot of them. You can even get

29:28

a tone from reading and you're like yeah

29:30

you want out. It was really interesting on

29:32

the fasting thing when a Trevor Fulbright our

29:34

head of team Fulram he

29:36

was answering a question someone asked him there.

29:38

He's like oh don't you think I noticed that shirt

29:40

I was looking at my whip. Should it have been

29:43

my testicles in there and someone refused

29:45

to draw them in but

29:47

they said they were too microscopic to draw

29:49

it which was accurate but someone

29:51

was like someone have a question again a totally

29:54

well-meaning question not making fun of the question after

29:56

at all. This is exactly what people run

29:58

before is asking any of our questions. getting your

30:01

answers really pretty quickly. And

30:03

he was like, hey, how do I incorporate

30:06

a 48 hour fast until like where in

30:08

my microcycle or where in my mesocycle is

30:10

a good idea? And

30:12

Trevor's answer was something effective like fasting

30:14

and mesocycles don't really mix. Mesocycles

30:18

are a long term progression of

30:20

stable introduction and reintroduction of nutrients.

30:23

Fasting is like cool because it's like health shit and

30:25

it's cool for like non-mistake kind of like meditation type

30:27

shit. But as far as like enhancing

30:29

sport performance and altering body

30:32

composition, this is just just ain't it?

30:35

It's kind of like you dress up in

30:37

a pack jacket with like bulletproof fast and

30:39

night vision goggles and all the other Navy

30:41

seals are like, all right, let's do this.

30:44

You're like, guys, where's the holder

30:46

for my paintbrush? I'm like, what the fuck are

30:48

you talking about? What? And

30:51

I'm like, yeah, like where does fasting fit into

30:53

periodization? Like I feel like there's kind of slightly

30:55

different worlds there. Yeah, I

30:57

mean, maybe experiment with it some

30:59

time if you want to, but

31:01

like. We gave some actually decent

31:03

answers after we excoriated this person

31:05

for insulting our grand architecture of

31:07

periodization. How dare you? I

31:10

mean, yeah, or insert extreme

31:13

maneuver here, like whether fasting

31:15

or some I get questions

31:17

that would surprisingly to me sometimes, although I

31:19

shouldn't be surprised, like your questions about cleanses

31:21

in like kind of. Oh, yeah. No,

31:24

and to the client's

31:26

credit, they are coming from a place

31:28

of like they're just consuming information like

31:31

for like general pop does on social

31:33

media, on YouTube, TikTok, whatever. It's

31:35

difficult for them to filter like what's useful. If

31:38

not, I get questions from my neighbors about this

31:40

kind of stuff. Dude, this

31:42

is a limit. Let me give people that a lot of

31:44

us here listen to podcaster and the fitness is tough for

31:46

us to relate. Like, how can you not know?

31:48

We guys are perfect. Good example for my own life. But

31:51

it was only a little while ago that I talked to

31:53

some computer security friends of mine. And I

31:55

realized that in the modern

31:57

definitely Apple and now Windows.

32:00

landscape, any kind of like

32:03

aftermarket anti-virus system

32:05

you install like McAfee is just completely superfluous and

32:07

fucking pointless. Like Windows Defender has got you covered.

32:09

Any realistic threats are going to kibosh. Any threats

32:11

that they can't kibosh, you're just fucking that's it.

32:14

The Chinese government owns your computer. Like McAfee is

32:16

not going to catch it. And I was like,

32:18

what? What it says anti-virus is

32:20

only $9.99 for the year. That's

32:23

$15 a month. It has huge savings. And then

32:25

they're just like, you fucking idiot. I

32:28

don't think I was an idiot, but it turns out I don't know anything.

32:30

And so when people like intelligent people, lawyers, doctors,

32:32

like we think about detox and cleanses, you're like,

32:34

you fucking moron. But in reality, like how the

32:36

fuck are they supposed to know that shit doesn't

32:38

work? That's a great

32:40

analogy for sure. And

32:43

so that ties in. The other thing

32:45

of this, like one of my

32:47

actually my first what I say is like

32:50

my first pillar like cornerstone

32:52

of my philosophy of coaching is coaching

32:55

and teaching our synonyms. I've

32:57

done that on my on my Instagram a few

32:59

times. And I see that. Well,

33:02

it comes from my background. Like I was a college professor as

33:05

are you, Mike, for

33:08

I'm still adjunct at University of Georgia, but

33:11

I was full time there for nine years.

33:15

And before that, I was in the academic space

33:17

for the previous like 12 or

33:19

some years. So basically two decades in the university

33:21

environment. And I'm really, really passionate

33:23

about like education just in general. And

33:27

that parlays 1000% into

33:30

my role as a coach, my relationship with my

33:32

clients is one where I'm teaching some things. And

33:34

it's just it's actually the same. I think about this a

33:37

lot too. Like I've trained it across the gym where my

33:39

coaches teach me how to move better,

33:42

right? And you have to keep that with you

33:44

for the rest of your life. 100%

33:46

Yeah, like I spent I spent two like right now I'm focusing

33:48

and I don't have a coach for this, but I'm focusing on

33:50

the endurance stuff as we just talked about. But

33:52

for a couple years, I would double down on like the

33:54

Olympic lifting and I had two or

33:57

three days a week I would work in either one or

34:00

one or small group with an Olympic lifting coach. And

34:02

man, that guy shout out to him cord if you

34:04

listen to this cord gun and he

34:07

taught me how to not anyone's real name. What's that

34:09

name again? Or gun and it's a

34:11

word on a G U N N I

34:13

N. Yeah, he's like action heroes name. Great.

34:15

Core. Or cord. C R

34:18

R E or C or or he cord

34:20

like a cord gun and yeah, he's a

34:22

badass. Oh, guys, the guy you're supposed to

34:24

wrestle in the state finals and just shake

34:26

your pants and run away. He's actually gotten

34:28

into jujitsu. Don't let him get into jujitsu.

34:30

He's gonna kill us all. He's a badass.

34:33

I mean, his parents know he was going to

34:35

be a badass and thus named him that. I

34:37

think they did. I think I've met his time.

34:39

Then they're wonderful people. I didn't mean

34:42

to like, I love this shout out because he's a dear friend

34:44

and that's awesome. Gonna love him.

34:47

But like that guy taught me how to

34:49

move honestly, like he taught me how to

34:51

like, bait like basically air squat and that

34:53

and all the Olympic lifts and that is

34:56

something to your back to the point like, I take

34:58

that with me to like every

35:00

workout that I ever do. And he

35:03

taught me a lot. Right. So coaching and teaching

35:05

again, there's their sentence. He's like, and I've

35:08

had a lot only in take like, there's a lot of coaches that I've

35:10

had that I could name, but that was just one that tend to mine

35:12

just now for that example. And he's your favorite

35:14

person I get it. Yeah, we get it. Yeah,

35:16

he actually is on the short list for sure.

35:18

But like, whenever a client tells me, hey, like,

35:21

like, for example, I get to close out like

35:23

the last couple of emails is we're like closing

35:25

out there because like they're going on on maintenance

35:27

on their own for Nathan, I've learned so much

35:29

from you. Yeah, that's awesome. That's the best. That's

35:32

like that. That means I've done my job, right?

35:34

You've taught me so much you check or you

35:37

get a lot of those like you change my view on food,

35:39

like you've changed my way of looking at nutrition

35:41

and fitness. Those mean a ton too.

35:43

But when somebody tells me that I

35:45

have learned so much, you have taught

35:47

me so much. That's it like, dude,

35:50

hell yeah, that's how you know you've done your job.

35:52

Yeah, for sure. That's that's what I don't

35:54

necessarily like. Off that from people, but

35:56

the people like I get that so much and it's amazing. I

35:58

Love it. I can't get enough. Awesome! The arrived me

36:01

of a one of my favorite quotes. Give.

36:03

A man a fish and he eats

36:06

for a day for the teach a

36:08

man to fish and he can eat

36:10

for a very extended amount of time.

36:12

Give a man a coupon to get

36:15

a Mcdonalds fish fillet sandwich meal. Have

36:17

memories for a lifetime. He said that

36:19

unless your doctor James Hoffman also Rp

36:22

Coach you cannot eat. Those fucking memories

36:24

can spark that whole goddamn sandwich hidden.

36:26

never get all when he goes off

36:29

like I'm just waiting for that find.

36:31

Plans for that. It is any. He

36:34

gives you and I guess somewhere

36:36

serious cognac. Oh no. Oh and

36:38

there's man be just. Bt

36:41

over that with at at the and a scientist

36:43

or laugh at as soon as he said reminds

36:46

me of caught On Oh god where we don't

36:48

have been around long enough the as soon as

36:50

I said I'll give you the start laughing you're

36:52

rolling your eyes and my way for mostly rolls

36:54

her eyes which is at this point result was

36:56

I the law on that earlier talk to gave

36:58

about like you know I can that desire versus

37:00

commitment listen marriage all back room and there's no

37:02

desire left between voice. I mean he never was

37:04

in Alex out without a day in our

37:06

are just like both her and I just

37:08

check our fucking watches all the time like

37:10

Wins is going to be overrun by this.

37:12

know me, the date, when hims the relations

37:14

spill drags on. Or

37:19

to get a while I'll you know

37:21

the robot my son bought my aside

37:23

I soon you know last gods got

37:25

that sometimes aroma that I thousand and

37:27

we live in an island end of

37:29

February. I wish it was and that

37:31

was the first time in like a

37:33

year more. We. Up my out wearing

37:36

like I'm we saw any other for five

37:38

minutes and then I were married. Record again

37:40

videos a day. I'm a cynic it adds

37:42

and I was off of dead Guy we'd

37:44

we'd have me like that Omran mic told

37:46

us to beginning of the trip I say

37:48

as don't overdo it your shit did. The

37:50

money and recorded with be a half a years

37:52

worth of fucking you to either you you as

37:54

printed out for sure I was only there for

37:57

like three days of the month that you guys

37:59

with a while and. That near really etti a

38:01

lot of good food and then trip from

38:03

school all the way. That motherfucker you did.

38:05

I didn't do shit. hey listen Roka can

38:07

we do like a like I like a

38:09

rapid fire is anything either. But I got.

38:11

I got like two more things on us.

38:13

Nathan. I'll

38:15

just south of we can do We can

38:17

actually does rapid fire. Ah shit certain rapid

38:19

fire. Yeah yeah I like that when you

38:21

know your another bad guess they they did

38:23

data do that I'm but at this I

38:25

think this ties into a lot of it

38:27

isn't it? And you can cut of a

38:29

long time. When you first started coaching how

38:31

long does it take you to come to

38:33

figure out the you to meet people where

38:35

they were. Because. I think there's maybe

38:37

a temptation. When he first started coaching. Or.

38:40

You just want to be people over the head

38:42

with was just get on their this is how

38:44

you selected There's no other way to do it's

38:46

there's no in between because like I know me

38:48

personally took me a long time. Figure that out.

38:51

I just thought you know everything's

38:53

all birds It added benefit of

38:55

having a pretty solid background it

38:57

in education. Law.

38:59

At practice in that exact lightens.

39:02

Sites Science. Of

39:05

with coaching. There was definitely

39:08

warning when sales said perfect edit the

39:10

like. It just took. I

39:12

remember was like spring of twenty eighteen when

39:14

I got my first like caught ten or

39:16

so clients. And it

39:18

was within his for center so clients that I

39:21

realized that that. Was. The essence

39:23

of this gig? Ah

39:25

to to you and I mean uses aren't

39:27

super early them Well I was like either

39:29

you get and you'll be like as you

39:31

get an email, the subtext wall and. You.

39:34

Open it and it's like holy crap like what

39:36

this of this person but without more. Before you

39:38

even read the first where do see others like

39:40

this long email or really like going through some

39:42

like there's something going on this person. And

39:45

any the like that for me this is

39:47

an easy like happening again cause my back

39:49

on that in teaching mother wired I'm a

39:51

pretty sympathetic person truly. I'm

39:54

hoping for these people and so

39:57

are and had emotional honestly for

39:59

a guy. like or whatever like I

40:02

see these emails and I'm like, all right, I and

40:04

to this like every day every week I

40:06

this happens like this is one that

40:08

I need to like spend some time on. And

40:11

that happened pretty early. Like I need to like

40:14

read this carefully, think about it a little bit

40:16

before I respond and

40:18

spend some time on articulating

40:20

a response that helps them

40:23

in the best way that I can and I don't know if it's going to be

40:26

perfect, but it's definitely going to be this goes

40:28

back to like we're talking about

40:30

different aspects of our coaching philosophy and it was

40:32

in the notes that since you guys before and

40:34

it was an entire topic of one of your

40:37

podcasts on that like that five part series on

40:39

how to be an effective coach under sell over

40:41

deliver. This is how

40:43

I do that. If a client like unloads

40:46

like, you know, makes themselves vulnerable, shares what

40:48

they're really struggling with, gives

40:51

me an opportunity basically to meet them where they're at,

40:53

my response is to like, all right, I'm going to

40:55

like ratchet it up now. This is where this is

40:58

my chance like, that's your chance to make a really

41:00

like in this if you're a new coach out there,

41:02

this is this will be my biggest advice. If a

41:04

client opens up to you and even a small way,

41:06

but especially when they do it in a big way,

41:08

they dump on you. Like what I found in the

41:10

industry, a lot of people get annoyed with that. Like

41:13

coaches, they get like, Oh my god, this is

41:15

a long email job. What am I going to

41:17

do? No, this is your chance to be a

41:19

fucking professional. This is where you

41:21

set yourself apart. You deliver and and

41:23

you don't hold that like you spend

41:25

like, it may be a

41:28

thing where you need like, hey, listen, I

41:30

got your email. And I

41:32

and I and I'm actually just going to spend

41:34

another day to like, you

41:36

know, because we have a 24 hour window where

41:38

we must respond to our clients. It's like one

41:40

of our contractually obligated to do that. Within that

41:43

24 hours, sometimes I might be like, Hey, look,

41:45

I need a little more time to think

41:47

about how to best meet you where you're at. And like

41:49

you're going to hear from you by the end of the

41:51

week or something like that with like some thoughts and some

41:53

like maybe a path forward, I'm going to give you some

41:55

options, you know, that kind of thing. And

41:59

Nick, honestly, it was in the that first three months or

42:01

so that where I found like I did that and

42:03

think of a couple of examples where I did that

42:05

with some people. It was kind of like a gut

42:07

instinct thing. And

42:09

there's a couple of those people that I actually have

42:11

worked with trying to think none

42:14

of those individuals but like I've got

42:16

some clients that do I've got two

42:18

or three clients I can think of

42:20

the date back to 2019. Yeah, some

42:22

of which are continuous and some of which have

42:24

like kind of come in and out and it's

42:26

because I truly believe it's because of like that's

42:29

my I'm really excited to like have the opportunity

42:31

like on this platform to talk about this because

42:33

you know a lot there's a lot that goes

42:35

on in our inbox in our as coaches in

42:37

our in our email and our fourth option you

42:40

should see my inbox doesn't see like your your

42:42

just probably full of like your only fans subscribe

42:44

all kinds of godless shit

42:48

which I don't check because Mike doesn't check his

42:50

email. Yeah, yeah, I checked him if

42:55

anything if anything is that important I'm like

42:57

hey asshole it needs to be. No,

43:02

Nathan, that's some why shit man. It

43:04

really is a thing where you know

43:06

if you need someone to manipulate your

43:09

numbers for you and your message cycle

43:12

the RP diet coach app and

43:14

your rpi purchase the app may do that

43:16

in many cases better than most human coaches

43:18

at this point and

43:20

the AI we're going

43:22

to be leveraging over the years is going to

43:25

make the thing just fucking unreal. So at

43:27

the end of the day what separates you

43:29

as a coach from everyone else and from

43:31

all machines is your humanity

43:33

is something that I

43:35

have discussed a little bit is

43:38

design AI is on track to

43:40

be better than humans at

43:42

any given human task by about 2029 not

43:45

a joke not overhyped see

43:47

you in five years it's gonna

43:49

happen but the one thing AI

43:51

almost categorically cannot do is it

43:54

can't relate to you as a human even

43:58

if chat GPT

44:01

gives basically up

44:03

and up and until AI does

44:07

brain scans of unreal numbers of

44:09

humans to get all of their

44:12

profound experiential memories of

44:14

their triumphs and tribulations,

44:17

it won't be able to

44:19

relate to you when you

44:21

say, I've really been struggling with

44:24

sticking to my diet. Right. Do

44:26

you know what I mean? Because

44:28

if you just tell chat GPT, I'm really struggling with

44:31

my diet, can you help me? It's going to go,

44:33

yes, here are top 10 tips to help and it

44:35

really will help. And it really knows. It knows more

44:37

than most coaches. But if you say

44:39

to it, do you know what I mean? It

44:42

might on occasion say, I can't know

44:44

what you mean because I've never had

44:46

human experiences. So as a coach, you're

44:49

right. If you're rolling your eyes at

44:52

your clients who kind of brained up to you and give

44:54

you all their emotions, that is your,

44:56

like you said, that is your chance to

44:58

step up and do your very best work

45:00

of relating them as humans. And

45:02

that's something you can continue to do well past

45:05

the point of machines doing almost

45:07

all jobs better than humans. Human

45:10

to human coaching is going to be one of the

45:12

last refuge of human work until the rest of us

45:14

are retired in permanent paradise or the machines have just

45:16

killed us all. Personally I've

45:19

been dealing with a lot of personal problems lately and I kind of hope

45:21

it's the latter. But. Yes.

45:23

And relating to that, Mike, I have actually

45:25

given a lot of my experience in the

45:27

past. I have actually given a lot of

45:29

thought to that aspect and like, you know,

45:31

we've been talking internally with

45:33

our like with the RP coaching team. A

45:37

lot of us are making a strong

45:39

push on our personal social media pages

45:41

and stuff. And what

45:43

I've been posting as much as I can. And lately I've

45:45

been in a phase where I've liked. What's

45:47

your Instagram handle just so people can find you if

45:50

they're listening? At

45:52

drj.rp. And. That's

45:54

a very small handle. Hopefully it's simple

45:57

and easy for you. You're lucky. Yeah. Well,

46:01

mostly the stuff I post on there,

46:03

like, okay, I'm just gonna like, I

46:05

see a lot of people have origin,

46:07

like general ills, like, standing

46:10

on their credentials and on their like

46:12

scientific expertise, which is cool. It's

46:15

cool. And it is and no, no hate. But

46:17

like, I very rarely talk about the fact and

46:19

I really hate to come across like

46:21

I'm two men or whatever. I'm pushing 100 publications in the

46:23

literature. You're on here to toot your own horn, by the

46:25

way, and it is an express reason you're on our podcast.

46:28

Maybe it is. I never talk about that.

46:30

And I never speak on those specific like

46:32

areas that like, I've got four or five

46:34

different areas of like, concrete expertise, I can

46:36

speak with authority that are kind of like,

46:38

here's a little lesson on science that

46:41

that could help you and, you know, I'm

46:43

not gonna do that. That's not what's gonna help my

46:45

clients move the needle. Like I don't and

46:47

I don't need them like no one and also like

46:49

related to your credentials and stuff. No

46:52

one gives a shit how much you know until

46:54

you they know how much you care. And so

46:56

what I'm really doubling down on is posting on

46:59

like, the stuff you're talking about,

47:01

like the differentiates us from like the stuff that

47:03

can be put into an algorithm

47:05

or a line of code. Everything

47:07

that I know, that's like my

47:09

documented expertise, like this, the piece

47:11

of papers that well, they're there in a

47:14

box in my basement, they're not on my wall, because

47:16

I don't want to put my diplomas on my wall.

47:19

Weird flex, but I love it. Yeah,

47:21

they I'm kidding. It

47:24

is. I mean, maybe it is a little bit I have

47:26

no idea where my diplomas are, to be completely honest. I'm

47:29

on that blank white wall behind you. Just

47:32

sadness on that wall. But

47:34

like all that shit, everything that I know that people

47:37

like give me a lot of like hype for

47:39

it can be put in an algorithm

47:41

or line of code. What

47:43

actually makes me money that puts this keeps

47:45

this roof over my head, that puts food

47:47

in my son's mouth is the human element

47:50

of this coaching thing. And

47:52

that's really what I'm doubling down on, like the content that

47:55

I'm sharing on my I've got a

47:57

really small corner, like a tiny, tiny corner of

47:59

fucking social media. But if

48:01

people who see it, I hope they find value in

48:03

it because I think that's like, you can hear it.

48:05

Hopefully my voice, like I'm really passionate about it. Yeah,

48:07

I can tell man. And I can relate to the

48:09

small corner because my wife usually relegates me to a

48:11

tiny corner of a small room in our house. That's

48:14

where you put your podcast equipment up and

48:16

that chair you're sitting in. That's exactly where

48:18

I'm forced to sit. That's why we're podcasting

48:21

at this hour. We won't tell what time

48:23

it is on a winter. I

48:25

can't leave one way or another. 9

48:28

o'clock on a Wednesday night. Mike sits

48:31

in his basement in a

48:33

windowless room where his podcast

48:35

mic and computer screens are.

48:38

I've been in there before. I've walked in and

48:40

I immediately got depressed. I was like, oh my

48:42

God, I gotta leave. Who lives here? I'm like,

48:44

me? Get away from me. Bring

48:46

some caffeine or some other stimulant with you. Mike

48:49

doesn't do stimulants. I don't do stimulants. I

48:53

have plenty of stimulation for my painful

48:55

childhood memories. Nick, did you have

48:57

one more question for Nathan? Yes,

49:02

but I also want to do

49:04

rapid fire. I'll be the answer

49:06

short. We can also have

49:08

you back on because this has been

49:10

fascinating. We'd love to have you back on. We always

49:12

can, but yeah, still, I was

49:14

really just one thing I wrote down was what

49:17

are one, maybe two traits that

49:19

you see that almost every single

49:21

successful client has? Give

49:23

us one good trait. One good trait. What really

49:25

comes to mind that you want to share? They

49:28

ask a lot of questions. Okay,

49:30

that's two traits, but they're the

49:32

same. Aren't

49:35

that same? So they're like,

49:38

they really, they made

49:40

the financial investment, which is no small investment

49:42

for most people, right? Totally. Totally.

49:45

I'll call it roughly 200 bucks a month, give or take, depending

49:47

on. Hey, we're going to hear this podcast when the prices go

49:49

up. 2000 bucks a month. Some

49:53

amount of money per month. That's you know,

49:56

another freaking bill. That's not.

49:59

Yeah. in the fucking lawn mower

50:01

died, the drain is backed up. I get

50:03

it. They're generally

50:05

speaking, there are two categories of people

50:07

who do that. They think like, I

50:10

am gonna pay somebody to fix this problem

50:12

for me. That's the less successful. Right?

50:16

Like gnarly attitude. Right,

50:19

but I get a lot of that. That's not

50:21

gonna work, man. Right. So, but the

50:23

other one is like, I've made this investment. Let me make the

50:25

most out of it by putting as much work into it as

50:27

I possibly can. That's the one to answer

50:30

the question, like who's the most successful? And

50:33

the biggest thing I see is like, if I get a

50:35

list of questions from like, Hey, Nick, and I've read like,

50:37

and I provide a lot of, you know, I

50:39

have a Q and A document and like a document on check-in

50:42

procedures and like information to include on

50:44

with your check-ins, kinds of

50:46

information that helps me help you kind

50:49

of stuff. I've read all of that and

50:51

I still have like 10 more questions. I

50:53

love that because that is the client.

50:55

I, from within the first week, I'm

50:58

like, okay, we connect, you're

51:00

gonna be successful. Like, like

51:03

nine out of 10 times, I guess somebody

51:05

was gonna be successful and

51:07

it's correct, right? At this point.

51:10

So I remember back in the day when I

51:12

used to coach people, I had a similar kind

51:14

of take. The people that would ask a bunch

51:16

of questions at the beginning, I never minded because

51:19

I was like, they care. They want to know

51:21

from the start what they're doing. And I, from

51:23

my recollection, it's been a while since I coached

51:25

people, but those people would ask a lot of

51:27

questions up front and then they wouldn't

51:30

necessarily ask a ton of questions after

51:32

that because they were more focused on

51:34

like just getting shit done and executing.

51:36

Yep. And then they go to execution mode a

51:38

lot of times. And once in a while though, I

51:41

was talking to the client this week, this guy will,

51:44

he's increased control and he was like that at

51:46

the first and then sometimes they'll like miss a

51:48

check-in and I was like, hey bro, like, and

51:50

then he sends me a check-in the next day and like, bro, that's

51:52

like kind of messing up my workflow a little bit because I'm kind

51:54

of structured with how I do stuff. And

51:57

he's like, the reason is, is that I actually thought of, I

52:00

had questions before I wanted to check

52:02

in, so I was going to send you an email

52:04

later in the day and then I would forget. And

52:06

then that's why I checked in the next day. And

52:08

it's like, okay, listen, if that's the reason, then I'm

52:10

all like, we're good. Do you just

52:12

like, and so we had this like, send me your

52:14

body weight first thing in the morning so I can

52:16

like do my job, adjust your macros if I need

52:18

to, and then send me your question later and then

52:20

we can like get into it. So

52:23

that's the other thing. I really support people, like

52:25

if somebody is like, wants

52:28

to learn more, then let's do

52:30

it. Like that's what's going to

52:32

help you be successful. So yeah, that's great.

52:34

That's awesome. That is awesome. Yeah,

52:37

I love this stuff. Well rapid

52:39

fire, Mr. Trump. Let's do

52:41

two each. That's

52:44

four total. Oh, okay. Yeah, I got one.

52:47

Give me a second here to think of another one. Okay,

52:50

I'll think of something. You go first.

52:53

How old is your son? It'll

52:57

be two on Sunday, Easter Sunday.

53:00

It's not the question, but I need to know. Let's

53:03

say your

53:05

son is six years old and

53:09

he has a favorite cartoon character and a man

53:12

dressed up as that cartoon character is at the

53:15

grocery store when you and your son are finishing

53:17

up shopping. Which was your last

53:19

step. And

53:21

he's clearly drunk and

53:25

he's just harassing the

53:28

grocery store lady, the cash

53:30

out girl. And

53:32

the harassment is like, not funny harassment. It's like

53:34

this guy needs to shut the fuck up. Do

53:39

you say something and risk having to

53:41

beat the shit out of your child's

53:43

just best friend on the TV? Or

53:46

do you just like, hopefully someone else will handle it.

53:48

I want to preserve my son's innocence for another year.

53:50

I don't want dad to have to

53:53

like drop kick Frodo the dog in

53:55

the nuts and watch a

53:57

man's head come popping out of his

53:59

suit. and throw up all over the place. This

54:02

is a tough question, Mike. It's

54:05

tough to answer projecting four years down the road because

54:07

I could answer. Nobody said these are gonna be easy

54:09

questions, Nathan. I could answer now is what I would

54:11

do as a two year old, which is like, oh

54:14

look, that's like Bugs Bunny or whatever. Let's get the

54:16

fuck out of here and I'll go, just

54:18

like put a screen, which I never do. I don't

54:20

use screens in parent's face, but I'd be like, oh,

54:22

like you saw Bugs Bunny, let's go watch Bugs Bunny

54:24

or whatever. Screen. So while he's

54:26

watching Bugs Bunny, you're like elbow dropping Bugs

54:29

Bunny. You're cracking his

54:31

mind over your head. In that scenario, we're

54:33

removing ourselves from this horrific situation. Okay, so

54:35

you're not gonna help this poor young lady

54:37

defend herself against a would-be sexual attacker. We're

54:41

at the grocery store. Hopefully there's a lot of other people around, but

54:43

I mean, shit. I gotta think of

54:45

it. Late at night, it's just you and that fucking guy

54:47

dressed up as Frodo the dog, man. Okay, okay, let me

54:49

back up, let me back up. Otherwise,

54:52

helpless? And if I'm to set the

54:54

situation, is she helpless? You

54:57

assess that there's a high probability her

55:00

next recourse is to press the alarm button so

55:02

the police show up and they're gonna be fired.

55:05

It's a balancing act, but I mean, my

55:07

son is first. So like, yeah.

55:09

So she's gonna have to put up some

55:11

bullshit. I'm holding my son as I run

55:13

out the door and calling 911. Nice. And

55:15

maybe hanging around with him at a safe distance or something, I don't know.

55:19

Not completely, just like leaving this giant dry,

55:21

getting beat up by the wasted

55:24

Bugs Bunny or Pluto or whatever the

55:26

dog is. Right. You know what,

55:28

I would handle it really similarly. I would handle

55:30

it tiny but differently if my son who I've

55:32

never had was six years old. You

55:35

know, he'd be like, daddy, are you strong? And be

55:37

like, oh, nah, I'm not that strong, blah, blah, blah.

55:39

I heard you can fight. No, you're dad, he's just

55:41

a whatever. And then as this guy's harassing this lady,

55:44

I would like walk my son and sit him

55:46

down on the bench right across from the island and

55:48

be like, so you remember you asked me if I

55:50

was strong? He's like, yeah, watch this. And

55:52

I just do things to that poor drunk man

55:55

in the suit that my friend didn't think

55:57

were anatomically possible. And then I'm your hero

55:59

forever. Also, I prevented sexual assault from occurring.

56:01

And I'm the fucking man. And who gives a shit that

56:03

the guy had a family now can't walk for the rest

56:05

of his life? It's hard for me to think about it

56:08

because it's six. I could probably do something like that. But

56:10

two. Yeah, two. It's tough. He needs to

56:12

come to attention. I'm never like in this public setting.

56:14

I'm almost like always holding him. So I'm

56:16

not sure. Yeah, you're right. Two is tough. Anyway,

56:19

OK. That was a good answer. Good answer. You thought it

56:21

through. Nick, what's your question? Oh,

56:24

man. What's

56:26

your answer to that? Actually, that was not a

56:29

period. That was rapid. If that was rapid fire,

56:31

what the fuck are we doing here for the

56:33

next 30 minutes? I

56:35

can't wait for that. I'm like rapid fire.

56:37

What the fuck? How old your son? And

56:39

then he went into this five minute diatribe.

56:43

All right. And Nick, so like in your current

56:45

state, let's say like Laurie's out of town. You're

56:48

with the kids. You take him to the store and then

56:50

the exact same thing happens. Your current children at their current

56:52

ages. What are you doing? Are

56:54

we recreating? It's late at night.

56:56

There's no one else around. No one else.

56:58

And the guy's drunk and he's being like

57:01

not cool. Like he's trying to grab at her

57:03

and shit. You don't have a car or something

57:05

like you send them somewhere safe. I

57:08

think the kids are quite spry. They don't need safety, but

57:10

also a jujitsu train. 12 and 10. So

57:13

it's one of those things where I would

57:15

have to like huddle them up for a

57:17

second. I'd be like, hey, second, Emma, hey,

57:19

like here's what's going on, right? You

57:22

understand that what's going on over there is that's not

57:24

cool. That's not all right. They would make

57:26

yes. Right. And I'm sure they'd probably start to get a

57:28

little scared and nervous. I beg you. I beg you

57:31

need to stay right here. You cannot go anywhere.

57:33

And I would maybe give them my phone. I

57:35

was like, it happens. And how to call 911.

57:37

Press record and put me on World Star. You

57:40

know, something like that. But I was like, what's going

57:43

on right now? It's not OK. Like something needs to

57:45

be done. The lady has no recourse. She cannot defend

57:47

herself. There's no other option that I have to intervene

57:49

because I would beg. And if there were other options,

57:51

I would absolutely not intervene because it's, you know, nice.

57:54

We get a moral lesson, too. But that's

57:56

I mean, that would probably be the only.

58:00

The only way to I just really want to

58:02

beat up a mascot like oh, just just be

58:04

feel so good I mean you could just run

58:06

on the field. He'd go to Michigan game. Yeah

58:09

Run on the field. He beat up is pretty much a part of their job

58:14

Oh take that next time they play Ohio State

58:16

you guys go to the game. He's like a

58:18

not tackle that fucking Buckeye

58:22

Dumbass Buckeye. Yeah the line to

58:24

tackle the fucking Buckeye mascot is

58:26

probably miles long So you

58:29

can get to the front like yeah, that's true. I

58:31

know mr. Nick Shaw. Yeah Nick

58:33

I guess one more question for Nathan this one

58:35

maybe actually that fire but fuck it Let's just

58:37

let's do Nick We got to do this from

58:39

now on whenever we have guests We're gonna have

58:42

a rapid fire and we're always getting different like

58:44

real gnarly moral conundrum like that I

58:48

Mean the thing that I had written down was

58:50

we started off by talking about like motivated and

58:52

you know, sometimes you're just like really Really really

58:54

fired up to do something My question

58:56

would be when does it when the last time you were like really

58:58

fired up like that to really do something Doesn't

59:00

even have to be like a you know, physical event. But

59:02

why don't you just really fired up? Oh,

59:05

I was at the grocery store with my kid right and

59:07

this fucking mascot Had

59:10

to be that You

59:14

know, dude, I try to live pretty even keels

59:17

but like but like daily Somewhat

59:20

motivated to do the things that I want to

59:22

need to do, but there's an answer to this.

59:24

Let me think about it I guess

59:26

I don't have a specific Scenario,

59:29

but I get really really fired up

59:31

about about parenting Like

59:37

Whenever I like I you know, I

59:39

follow a lot of you know, social media accounts

59:41

on parenting toddlers right

59:43

now I Try

59:46

to read a good bit about parenting although

59:48

although, you know, I don't follow like the

59:50

self-help genre too much But it's like anything

59:52

I can read unlike you know, what you

59:55

know psychology of like, you know My son

59:57

is learning about you know impulse control at

59:59

two years all like that kind of stuff, you

1:00:02

know, and like the psychology, like how they're

1:00:04

like cross their emotional aspect of their brain

1:00:06

is really developing a lot. It's

1:00:08

not like an action per se on my

1:00:10

part, but like to I'm very fired up

1:00:12

and motivated to learn as much as I

1:00:14

can about that, and then filter it through

1:00:16

like my own brain and like cognitive system

1:00:18

and see okay, what is useful for

1:00:21

me and, and for him and for

1:00:23

this household and like how to like, there's things

1:00:25

that I've seen read that like I would have

1:00:27

thought of, you know, I'm

1:00:29

sure. So I get, I get pretty motivated about that. I don't know

1:00:32

if that's a good answer or not, but that's a great answer. And

1:00:34

if you can ask you something kind of

1:00:36

personal. Sure. It's okay

1:00:38

if you say no. Are

1:00:40

you a single parent? Here's

1:00:43

my next question. Where do we

1:00:46

direct the women to throw their panties

1:00:48

and requests for wedding rings at you?

1:00:50

My God. I mean, I'm

1:00:52

handsome as fuck. You're ripped. You're a professor.

1:00:54

You're fucking loaded. And you're a single father.

1:00:56

Jesus Christ. I'm getting wet and I don't

1:00:58

even have a vagina. Cancel

1:01:01

the whole material. Well,

1:01:03

who's going to cancel my phone? I was a woman

1:01:05

in the power room. I'm sure I should be

1:01:08

fucking president. Oh man. But you

1:01:10

do have an Instagram account. I've been the first time a man has ever made

1:01:12

me blush. There's that. Well, I'm not

1:01:14

so much a man, but a cyborg. Yeah.

1:01:16

We can put my fucking address in the

1:01:18

show notes. Don't give these women your address.

1:01:21

Are you out of your mind? I'm not

1:01:23

liable for that shit. Yo, come on. Social

1:01:31

media. I

1:01:33

put it all on Dr. Mike over there.

1:01:36

Oh my God. Women show up to

1:01:38

my house and crystal just shoots them

1:01:40

to death with a shotgun instantly. Oh

1:01:42

my God. Sorry. Oh God. You're a

1:01:44

nice. She runs them over with the lambos.

1:01:47

She never drives the lambos.

1:01:50

She doesn't want to. She says. Yeah.

1:01:53

She's like, if it's not a McLaren, it

1:01:55

doesn't touch this fucking body. She's. Oh

1:02:00

man. Yeah,

1:02:02

that's the life we're living here, Nathan.

1:02:04

That's what it's like. All right. I'm

1:02:06

bringing this back. I'm bringing this back.

1:02:09

Man, in between some of the just

1:02:12

really interesting tangents we hit on, Nathan,

1:02:14

man, a lot of good advice in

1:02:16

there. Definitely

1:02:19

the clients that ask a lot of questions up front.

1:02:21

I love it. I think all coaches

1:02:23

should be about it. Dude, just straight up respect

1:02:25

to you, man. You can tell you really, really

1:02:27

care about your clients, which is, I mean, that's

1:02:29

why you're an all-star P coach, man. We really

1:02:31

appreciate it, dude. I know you've helped out. I

1:02:34

don't know. Hundreds, thousands maybe? I

1:02:36

think last I looked at it, it's over a thousand

1:02:38

at this point. Whoa. That's

1:02:41

cool, man. I mean, that's making a difference in

1:02:43

a thousand people. I'm thankful to you guys for

1:02:45

the opportunity because it's been like, you

1:02:47

know, my little story is I always share this. It

1:02:50

started off as like a side thing in

1:02:52

late 2017, early 2018. And

1:02:55

I had like 10, 20 clients at a time. And then

1:02:57

I gradually progressed like 2019. It

1:02:59

became a little bit more quasi

1:03:02

full-time as in addition to my job as a

1:03:04

professor. And then it was COVID, it like blew

1:03:06

up like as, you know, kind of

1:03:08

tracked with everything else in the nutrition and fitness space.

1:03:12

And then when my son was born, when he

1:03:14

was almost, you know, going to be born, like

1:03:16

early 2022, I had

1:03:18

a choice of like, do I keep doing two

1:03:21

full-time jobs as a professor and as a nutrition

1:03:23

coach, or do I step away from one? So

1:03:25

I chose to go all in on RP and

1:03:27

nutrition coaching. And it's been the best move that

1:03:29

I've ever made. Awesome,

1:03:32

man. Yeah. You guys

1:03:34

in particular in RP as a

1:03:36

whole provide people like me and

1:03:38

my 20, whatever it is, roughly

1:03:41

20 ish other colleagues, the platform

1:03:43

and the ability to, you

1:03:45

know, make it possible. And you

1:03:48

know, and I have, you know, I

1:03:50

had a lot of autonomy as a professor and I thought I

1:03:52

did. As a nutrition coach, as you

1:03:54

know, with this role, I have a ton of it and

1:03:56

I get to spend time with my son. I get to

1:03:58

like train twice a day. times if I want to.

1:04:00

You know,

1:04:02

it's just it's just a really, really, really good

1:04:05

gig. And I'm really grateful. And

1:04:07

you guys have built this really amazing company that's getting

1:04:09

more and more mainstream,

1:04:11

I think attention now, which is

1:04:13

long overdue, as others have pointed

1:04:15

out. And I'm just like, really grateful to

1:04:18

be the small part of it. So you're

1:04:21

a very big part of very important part. And

1:04:23

you're fucking unbelievable. And we're much luckier to have

1:04:26

you than you are to have us. I

1:04:28

assure you, no one has ever described a relationship

1:04:30

with Nick and I as lucky. Never.

1:04:34

Disaster has been used. Why are you

1:04:36

guys still in my house? I told

1:04:38

you leave. Your order for Mike. Yeah,

1:04:40

yeah, we could tabulate how many RP

1:04:44

you know, restraining orders have been issued.

1:04:46

Stop counting a long

1:04:49

time ago. Well,

1:04:53

well, huge honor. Thank you so much

1:04:55

folks. Dr. j.rp,

1:04:57

right? Right. Dr. j.rp, Instagram,

1:05:00

that's where to find

1:05:04

and Nathan does put out

1:05:06

a ton of excellent content, excellent advice

1:05:08

for people in various journeys that they're

1:05:10

doing through fitness and he can be

1:05:12

consulted and asked to be a coach.

1:05:15

If you are female and you don't want to fall in

1:05:17

love with your coach, probably wouldn't hire him because he's too

1:05:19

good looking to resist. And this is me saying

1:05:21

it as a 1000% straight man.

1:05:26

Thank you. It's our pleasure. Mr. Nick Shaw,

1:05:28

do you do your usual sign off now?

1:05:32

Hey, everyone, thanks for tuning in, especially if

1:05:34

you got these last five or so minutes

1:05:36

here. Thank you for hanging in there

1:05:38

with us in general, a little

1:05:40

bit chaotic. That's been great. No,

1:05:43

seriously, we appreciate everyone that listens. It's a

1:05:45

lot of fun, man. I laugh more

1:05:47

during these episodes than I do most other

1:05:50

times. I don't really consider this work. On

1:05:53

my schedule is you know, work from seven to nine Wednesday

1:05:55

nights when Mike and I sit down record a couple

1:05:57

episodes, but just a lot of fun man, we joke

1:05:59

around We shoot the shit, we love what

1:06:01

we do. We appreciate all the view folks that are

1:06:03

listening in. We appreciate all the RP clients.

1:06:07

Appreciate Nathan for hopping on and appreciate Dr.

1:06:09

Mike for being the colorful character that he

1:06:11

is. Sorry to everyone that

1:06:13

I exist. See you guys next time. Catch you

1:06:15

on the next episode.