In a wide-ranging four-part series looking at the state of rugby in New Zealand, Scotty Stevenson asks where the sport is at, where is it going and how will we get there?

In the third part of a full and frank discussion about the state of rugby in New Zealand, Scotty Stevenson and a panel of insiders discuss how best to grow and promote the game. With guests Sarah Hirini, TJ Perenara, Conrad Smith and Simon Porter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices