0:00

Now I've been happy lately,

0:03

thinking about the good things to come

0:06

And I believe it could

0:09

be something good has begun

0:12

Oh, I've been smiling lately,

0:15

dreaming about the world at one And

0:19

I believe it could be

0:21

someday it's going to come Cause

0:25

out on the air they dance,

0:27

their eyes the peace train Oh,

0:30

peace train take this country,

0:33

come take me home again Now

0:36

I've been smiling lately, thinking

0:39

about the good things to come And

0:42

I believe it could be

0:45

something good has begun Peace

0:48

train sounding louder,

0:51

ride on the peace train Oh,

0:55

ride on

0:57

the peace train Peace

1:00

train, holy moly,

1:02

everyone up on the peace train And

1:06

then

1:06

of course that's the great Cat Stevens

1:09

singing Peace Train A

1:11

song I grew up with as a teenager

1:15

Now I don't know how

1:17

the song, how it feels

1:20

What it means to those of you, some of you maybe

1:22

are hearing it for the first time This

1:25

is Michael Moore by the way You're

1:28

listening to Rumble with Michael Moore and A

1:32

few days ago, part one, we

1:34

were at a big demonstration

1:37

at Grand Central Station In

1:39

New York City, where a thousand

1:42

plus Jewish Americans

1:45

Essentially took over this huge,

1:48

iconic train station during

1:50

rush hour last Friday night To

1:55

insist that President Biden

1:57

push for a ceasefire that

2:00

all the killings stop on both sides and

2:02

that we figure this out. Jewish

2:05

Voice for Peace organized this thing.

2:07

About three to four hundred of them sat

2:09

down on the floor in the middle

2:11

of this massive train station

2:15

to non-violently, peacefully protest

2:19

the killing of any Palestinians

2:22

as revenge for what Hamas did

2:25

and its horrific butchering

2:27

of human beings there on October 7th in

2:30

Israel. The New

2:33

York police came in and

2:35

put the zip ties on three or

2:37

four hundred mostly Jews and

2:40

their allies. A lot

2:42

of people willing to risk being arrested

2:44

and maybe taken away and nobody

2:47

wants to stay in a New York City jail

2:50

over the weekend. But

2:52

thank you for all the response from all of you who

2:55

wrote to me about the comments that

2:57

were made, the different things

2:59

that these Jewish activists were

3:01

saying to try and stop this madness

3:04

and to protect the people of Palestine

3:06

and the children of Palestine.

3:08

A lot of great comments for all of you. It's so heartening

3:11

and very little hate mail from

3:14

people. So it's very

3:16

powerful. I promised you at

3:18

the end of that, part two would

3:20

happen and here it is, part

3:22

two of this episode called War No

3:25

More of my podcast here. The

3:28

next day what happened is my team,

3:31

Basil Hamden, the original executive

3:33

producer and co-founder of this endeavor

3:37

and Angie Vargos, who

3:39

is the current executive producer and

3:42

editor of this.

3:45

The next day, this will be this past Saturday,

3:47

went out to Brooklyn where another

3:50

mass demonstration had been called, this

3:52

time led by Palestinian Americans.

3:55

It started out at the Brooklyn Museum

3:59

and they marched across. the Borough

4:01

of Brooklyn to the Barclays Center, the

4:03

big arena where the Brooklyn Nets and

4:05

the New York Liberty WNBA teams

4:08

play and also lots

4:10

of concerts and things there. And

4:13

then from the Barclays Center they picked up more people

4:15

who were rallying there and then they

4:18

walked over to the Brooklyn Bridge and they decided

4:20

to cross the bridge which I don't

4:22

know if the police were ready for that but it basically

4:24

shut down the bridge for hours on

4:27

a Saturday night. But there

4:29

are very few arrests, everybody

4:31

was peaceful but everybody was insistent

4:35

that the slaughter stop and

4:37

they went across the Brooklyn Bridge and ended up in

4:39

lower Manhattan and finally at Union

4:42

Square. And again

4:45

Basil and Angie did some

4:48

incredible interviews and basically did

4:50

what I what I'm going to do again

4:52

here is to turn the microphone over to

4:56

not just Palestinians this time who

4:58

had so many important things to say but also

5:00

their allies. What was striking about

5:03

this demonstration which is probably three times

5:05

as large as the one led

5:08

by the Jewish groups at Grand Central. It's

5:10

also probably the largest pro- Palestinian

5:13

demonstration in New York City for

5:15

since I don't know forever and all

5:19

the demonstrations that are going on I mean you have the people

5:22

that support Benjamin Netanyahu

5:24

and support what Israel is doing

5:27

right now. They've had their also

5:29

their protests but these

5:32

protests the pro-peace protests

5:35

again are twice three times

5:37

as large as the others and this one on Saturday

5:40

was probably four

5:42

or five times as large as anything I've seen

5:44

that's out there supporting Netanyahu

5:46

and his gang of fellow

5:50

Indites who've been indicted in Israel

5:53

before this event happened and

5:56

are up for trial for their

5:58

breaking the law there in Israel. And of

6:01

course, the other thing that they've been doing is trying

6:03

to destroy their own Supreme Court so

6:05

that they could get away with what they want to get

6:07

away with in their government, the very right-wing

6:10

government, a very autocratic

6:12

pro, I would call it fascist in a

6:14

sense that

6:18

they don't really believe in, I think, what a

6:20

lot of people in Israel had

6:22

believed in the past in terms of trying to form

6:24

a democracy. Of course, it's been

6:27

a somewhat failed attempt

6:29

over these 75 years because they

6:32

can't quite figure out how to have a, how

6:35

to be a democracy and a theocracy. To

6:38

call something a Jewish state when it's a democracy,

6:40

which means everybody lives there, as the equals say,

6:43

that's been a difficult act to pull

6:46

off. And so, like in

6:48

America, you have a two-tier,

6:50

three-tier system of

6:52

those who are the ones who really get to be

6:55

in charge and have full rights and

6:57

the others who have lesser rights and

6:59

are struggling to be recognized

7:02

and to be seen as equal human beings by

7:04

those in charge. So, nothing

7:07

we don't know anything about as Americans.

7:09

We remember oftentimes

7:12

the OG of whether it's

7:15

the genocide that we did to the Native

7:17

peoples here in this country, to

7:19

building our country with enslaved human beings,

7:21

kidnapped. What about kidnapping

7:24

hostages? I mean, I don't know what

7:26

the numbers are for how many hundreds of thousands

7:28

or millions of Africans

7:31

that were kidnapped by white people that

7:33

were, quote, hounding this country of ours.

7:36

But they built it with these kidnapped human beings

7:39

that they tortured, that they put in chains, that

7:41

they lynched, raped, brutal

7:45

torture. And that's the story they don't want to tell

7:47

our children in school anymore as they try to

7:50

prohibit history being taught. Anyway,

7:53

so this Palestinian-led demonstration,

7:55

Palestinian-Americans, Arab-Americans,

7:57

Muslim-Americans, But

8:00

once Basil and Angie arrived

8:02

there, they could see how

8:05

broad the scope

8:07

and the diversity was of the people who

8:09

showed up to support the people of Gaza.

8:12

And it was not just Arabs and Palestinians.

8:15

It was all groups,

8:17

all ethnicities. He had

8:19

the sense of Basil, whose, you know, his

8:21

parents are ones from Palestine,

8:24

the others from Syria. He

8:27

said to me, he said, I've never, all these years here, I've

8:29

never been here. I've never seen so

8:32

many different groups of people show

8:34

up to support us, to recognize us. And

8:38

that sense you have, if you belong

8:40

to a certain ethnic group in this country over

8:43

the years, and how many years your parents

8:45

or grandparents try to just get by, but

8:47

not seen, being

8:49

invisible almost, and not

8:52

really getting to participate in the American dream

8:54

in the way that, say, others have

8:57

been able to do that. And on

8:59

Saturday, he and others

9:02

who grew up here, grew up in New York City and

9:04

in the areas around New York City, here

9:07

were all these other people. Here were white

9:09

people,

9:10

showing them to support

9:12

them

9:14

and to support their relatives

9:16

in Gaza. And also

9:18

you'll hear from when you hear these voices in a minute,

9:22

how the majority really of the crowd,

9:24

of the marchers, the protesters, were

9:27

women. This was like a

9:29

female majority demonstration.

9:34

It was uplifting. And you're about to hear

9:36

from them. And listen,

9:38

let me tell you, some of them are going to say things

9:40

that are going to be hard to hear. And

9:42

I just ask that, obviously,

9:44

if you're not of them and you haven't lived their lives,

9:47

please listen. Please listen.

9:50

Even to the stuff where you might disagree with it, or you don't feel good

9:52

about it, or whatever. But if we don't

9:54

listen to, all of us don't listen

9:57

to each other, we're not going to make it. You're

9:59

going to. to hear from some

10:01

of the, the marchers, their

10:04

feelings about Joe Biden, and it will crush

10:06

some of you. And you're going

10:08

to say, Mike, why

10:11

are you running this? Why are you writing these voices?

10:14

This is not what we need to hear right now. We don't need

10:16

Trump to come back. We can't have Trump come back.

10:19

We have to stop Trump. And

10:22

they're just asking at what expense. And

10:26

they're kind of asking us to not say at

10:29

any expense, because

10:31

you, you can't have somebody in the

10:34

Oval Office that

10:38

suddenly is not acting on

10:40

the values that we thought

10:42

he had or that we believe that he had. And

10:45

I'm not saying I agree with it. I don't know if

10:47

I will go this far, but,

10:51

but I thought I left it in here because I want you

10:53

to hear it. I want you to hear what young people are thinking.

10:56

We can't lose a single vote here. If

10:59

you really want to stop Trump from coming back.

11:02

And it's a little scary to

11:04

hear how depressed, how full of despair

11:07

they feel right now

11:09

regarding him and the things that he's, he

11:12

said, I don't know if you saw this in the news this

11:14

week, but, uh, he mentioned

11:16

how he'd seen the photographs of the beheaded babies

11:21

and then his, his White House made him

11:23

walk that back the next day

11:25

cause well,

11:27

because he, he didn't. And

11:31

yet he added to the, he contributed to this sort

11:33

of this utter crazed

11:36

feeling everybody has right now because of the horror

11:38

of October 7th, you know, you

11:41

understand it, but now you don't

11:43

know what is being said and who's doing what. And

11:46

I want you to listen to this, my friends, and I'm

11:48

talking really to people in my generation,

11:50

boomers, Gen Xers.

11:54

We got to figure this out cause

11:56

there's a bigger fish here that we're dealing with

11:58

and we got to do the right thing.

12:00

So

12:01

I'll turn it over to Basil and

12:03

Angie and I'll talk to you in a few minutes after

12:06

you hear from some of these incredible

12:09

young people, mostly

12:11

women frankly. Our failure

12:14

to listen to them is

12:16

at our own peril.

12:19

Here we go. After

12:32

last night going to Grand

12:35

Central Station where

12:37

Jewish Voice for Peace

12:47

organized more than a thousand not

12:50

just Jewish New Yorkers but Jewish

12:52

New Yorkers and many allies to

12:55

fight for a ceasefire in Palestine

12:58

and in Gaza, this is Basil

13:00

Hampton here with Angie Vargos and

13:02

we're in Brooklyn New York. It is a Palestinian-American

13:06

organized protest calling

13:09

for ceasefire in Gaza and freedom

13:11

for Palestinians and calling for an

13:13

end of ethnic cleansing and genocide in

13:17

Palestine and in Gaza. We're

13:22

at the Brooklyn Museum right now where

13:24

everyone is congregating and

13:27

it looks like Susan and Travis are going to head

13:29

over to the Barclays Center and

13:31

then later to the Brooklyn Bridge. So

13:34

we're gonna walk around talk to some folks here

13:37

why they've decided to come today.

13:40

My name is Leanne. I'm from Palestine born

13:42

and raised in New York. Where in Palestine

13:44

is your family from? My family is from Batanina.

13:47

That's near Jerusalem correct? Yes,

13:50

in the West Bank. How

13:52

is your family back home doing right now?

13:55

Not good. The family

13:57

that I have back home, most of us are here.

13:59

still there and they're definitely not doing

14:02

good. There's been a lot of pressure

14:05

trying to get people fired trying to get people

14:07

canceled. I

14:08

actually almost got fired for my job for wearing this

14:10

hat right here. That's

14:11

just what? It

14:13

says 3 times. And I was wearing it every single

14:15

day for a month and they tried

14:17

to fire me for wearing this hat when I came in last week

14:20

and I made a very big deal about it and I told

14:22

them this is not something political this is something for

14:24

human rights for general human rights for everybody

14:27

not just

14:27

us. I hope you've been able to

14:29

keep your job. Oh of

14:30

course, yeah. I talked to them and my boss, both

14:33

my bosses are very nice and they understand those too.

14:35

We have somebody at my job that is from

14:38

Israel and their family lives there so they did complain

14:40

about my hat but of course I stood up because this

14:42

is for general human rights.

14:44

A lot of people have turned out today not

14:46

just Palestinians not just Arabs but

14:49

this is a very big crowd it's a very diverse

14:51

crowd. How does it feel to be in a crowd like this

14:53

today?

14:54

It feels amazing. We have all

14:56

sorts of people here because this is the root

14:57

of all oppression and if everybody stands

15:00

up for this oppression then we'll all be safe but

15:02

if we don't fight this oppression then the whole world

15:04

is in danger

15:04

of being oppressed. So

15:07

if the whole world doesn't stand up for this then we

15:09

will have no peace. Great

15:11

great great Palestine! Can

15:15

you tell me what you're saying? I saw

15:17

somebody send

15:18

Palestine as the occupation. I

15:21

organized the Brooklyn body bar resistance

15:23

and we have a condition here of over 40 people

15:25

supporting Palestine in

15:28

solidarity because all of

15:30

our struggles are interconnected from here

15:32

to recall where the US has told us

15:35

that in the last 100 years

15:37

the Palestine where

15:38

they've been living under an occupation for 75 years

15:40

we have to be in solidarity because

15:44

we're not free so we're all free. Should

15:45

I read the statement here? From China

15:48

to the US, empires must die. From

15:50

Xinjiang to Palestine. The oppressed must be free.

15:54

I'm here because I support the Palestinian

15:56

cause. I'm here because I support

15:59

the Palestinian cause. Gaza and I've

16:01

seen what the occupation looks like and it's brutal

16:03

and I think as a human being this is what I should

16:05

support. Yeah,

16:08

and I'm Chinese. There's a lot of human rights

16:10

abuse by comb as well. So I relate to

16:13

what Palestinians are going through right now.

16:16

And

16:31

a free Palestine and those two liberations

16:33

are intertwined along

16:34

with the liberation of all people under oppressive

16:37

systems. And would you mind reading your

16:39

sign for me? Sure. There's a reason

16:41

that the NAPPA and the Division of Korea

16:44

coincided in 1948. Knocked

16:46

by the same imperialist interests.

16:48

De-fire! Now! De-fire!

16:52

Now! De-fire! Now! De-fire!

16:55

Now! De-fire!

16:57

Now! My

17:02

name is Naomi Bruckle.

17:04

Born in New Jersey. I live in Brooklyn. What

17:07

brings you here today?

17:09

It's the only time that I don't feel miserable

17:11

is when I'm with other people who

17:13

are protesting about this horrible process

17:15

that's going on. Of thousands of people

17:18

being murdered by the Israeli

17:20

military with our money.

17:22

With the support of all of the western

17:25

nations

17:26

to commit a genocide. It's

17:29

horrific. I

17:31

don't know if you read the media about this rally

17:33

and other pro-Palestinian

17:35

rallies. What I have seen them say

17:38

is that

17:38

the Hamas attack

17:41

on the Israelis was

17:43

horrific. And it was horrific.

17:46

And then they don't really

17:48

say

17:49

why this type

17:51

of an attack took place. They

17:53

don't say what the actual

17:56

roots of this problem are. And

17:58

they don't really focus.

17:59

happening with Palestinian people.

18:02

They're just not doing that. You might

18:04

say, oh yeah, a lot of people, they're

18:07

mourning because their children and mothers

18:09

and fathers and grandfathers have been killed

18:12

and their houses have been crashed down on top

18:14

of them and also there's people buried

18:16

in the rubble who's the enemies you can't even get

18:18

to. I mean, that's what they don't

18:21

talk about on the moral,

18:23

you know, mainstream, so to speak, the

18:25

medium. And that's,

18:28

in the end, as you would say, it's a shandar. It's disgusting.

18:31

It's a shame. It's shameful on

18:33

those so-called journalists that are

18:35

not really talking about the truth.

18:37

You just used the phrase a

18:39

shandar. Are you a Jewish American? I am a

18:41

Jew. Yes. They say this is

18:44

a pro-Hamas rally, a pro-terrorist

18:46

rally. Well, because

18:48

they're not distinguishing between Hamas

18:50

and the Palestinian people, they're

18:53

not talking about how Hamas actually

18:55

developed as a force. They're not talking

18:57

about the actual history of what's gone

19:00

on there for the last hundred

19:01

years. They're not talking about

19:03

it. Hopefully, Michael Morris.

19:06

But, you know, this is a disaster. And

19:10

that's the reason why they're not going

19:12

to have to do that in the Palestinian people. They've

19:15

suffered too much. They're suffering

19:18

now. It has

19:20

to stop.

19:59

U.S.A.

20:07

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20:15

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20:25

U.S.A. U.S.A.

20:35

U.S.A. U.S.A.

20:40

U.S.A.

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20:56

U.S.A. U.S.A.

21:04

U.S. U.S.

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21:40

U.S. U.S.

21:47

U.S.

21:55

U.S.

21:59

They've actually had misrooms the past

22:02

week and it's been really tough to just sit down

22:04

and focus when this is happening in

22:06

the world right now and nobody is doing anything. You

22:08

know what I mean? Also, I want to add in... Yeah,

22:10

of course. Can we just hit your first name? Zana. Thank

22:14

you. As a CUNY college student, thousands of students

22:16

have gotten the same email from the Chancellor

22:18

of the New York State. They showed

22:21

their remorse and everything for Israelis.

22:25

And as a Muslim... You

22:28

look at the motion.

22:33

They really just don't focus on the mental health of Muslims.

22:36

They haven't spoken anything about the past 75

22:38

years that Palestinians have been going through

22:41

and I just think it's very inconsiderate just

22:44

to focus on one mental health group

22:46

rather than all their students, you know?

22:49

I talked to some teachers that were from

22:51

CUNY here today that were also protesting and they

22:54

said that the administration was pushing back on students

22:56

that would support Palestine. Did you find that? I

22:59

did and I also noticed that a lot of Polish students

23:01

have been either getting expelled or suspended just

23:03

for simply showing up to protest. A

23:06

day before this war broke out, I was writing my

23:09

essay about Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is in

23:11

Jerusalem, which the next

23:13

day got attacked. Muslims are not

23:15

even allowed to step foot in there without putting a

23:18

gun to their head.

23:19

And

23:20

I was honestly worried about even writing my essay just

23:23

knowing that the fact that me speaking my

23:25

voice could basically decide

23:27

if I can even continue my education or not. But that's exactly

23:30

what they want us to do. They want to stay quiet. They

23:32

want us to not speak out. They already started shadow

23:34

banning everybody's Instagram stories. The amount

23:36

of stories of mine that got deleted for nudity

23:40

and for... Yeah, which has absolutely nothing to do with it. It

23:42

has nothing to do with anything that we've been posting.

23:45

They're just trying to silence everybody. I think it's disgusting, honestly. It's

23:49

a political tactic because when you make the

23:51

other side seem less banned, you make them

23:53

seem like animals, like terrorists, then nobody

23:55

has any humanity left for them. And

23:58

then it creates us versus them. And

24:00

that's just a horrific situation because

24:02

it forces people to choose sides when in fact

24:04

we should be choosing human life. Can

24:06

I ask how old you guys are? I'm 18, 19.

24:09

Despite all of the fear that there

24:11

is in speaking out in the pressure, you

24:14

guys still showed up today. So that

24:16

says something about how much this means

24:18

to you.

24:19

And part of my belief system is that if you see

24:21

something wrong and you don't stand up and fight,

24:24

you're worse than the oppressors. Violence

24:27

is violence. There's two types

24:29

of people in the world. If somebody sees something

24:31

wrong and they go with the flow, they're scared of getting

24:33

attacked

24:34

or

24:35

judged or anything,

24:37

they're the oppressors as well. But if you stand up

24:39

for what's right, and we believe that God will reward

24:41

us at the end of the day for standing up for what's right in our

24:43

hearts.

24:44

Anything else you guys wanna say? Free

24:47

Palestine. Free Palestine. Free Palestine.

24:49

Free Palestine. Free Palestine. Free Palestine.

24:52

Free Palestine. Free Palestine. Free

24:54

Palestine. Free Palestine. Free Palestine.

24:56

Free Palestine. Free

24:57

Palestine. Fida Fidahel Boyd Confh

24:59

rope Fida Fidahel Boyd Confh rope Fida

25:03

Fidahel Boyd Confh rope Fida Fidahel

25:05

Boyd Confh rope Fida Fidahel Boyd Confh rope Fida

25:08

Fidahel Boyd Confh rope Fida

25:10

Fidahel's

25:11

health Fida Fidahel's health Fida

25:14

Fidahel's life Fidahel's health Fida Fidahel's

25:16

life Fida Fidahel's life We

25:19

just want to have justice, we have

25:21

no problem, but we've been hurt when we see

25:23

the children being killed by Cutie, we

25:26

have no idea what's going on in the world, and

25:28

the problem has been hurt. My mom,

25:31

she cannot work two minutes, but

25:33

today she works for 30 minutes, and

25:36

I'm so proud about her, and I'm so happy

25:38

about her, and she's crying all the way

25:40

from the

25:41

top to the top, to

25:45

down there. We will not stop, we will keep

25:47

working, and I'm proud to have my mom with

25:49

me to be... Arabiya,

25:51

we will not stop, we will not stop.

25:56

We will not stop, we will not stop.

25:59

Netanyahu funded Hamas, and

26:02

then he quotes, whoever wants to thwart the

26:04

establishment of a Palestinian state needs

26:07

to support the strengthening and financing of

26:09

Hamas, said by Netanyahu in 2019.

26:12

My sign says settler colonies don't watch

26:14

war against indigenous peoples, they launch annihilation.

26:17

Because in all instances of occupation, specifically

26:20

in the instance of Israel occupying the

26:22

lands of Palestine, Gaza, to Jenan from the

26:24

river to the sea, they

26:27

are trying to annihilate the land. They

26:29

are not looking for a two-state solution.

26:32

They are looking for a one-state solution that

26:34

puts Israel at the forefront and demolishes

26:37

the indigenous peoples. So we are here today

26:39

to make sure that we save those

26:41

people. I'm holding a sign

26:44

with a watermelon inside a blue cage

26:47

and it symbolizes the Palestinian people

26:50

in the siege in Gaza, the open-air

26:52

prison.

26:53

And what brings you here today?

26:55

Supporting humanity

26:58

and Palestinian people having the freedom?

27:02

Here to show

27:04

off the whole scene, I think

27:06

the crowd is important and also I found protest

27:08

as being the one reprieve amidst

27:11

all of this. Just being able to march alongside people,

27:14

chant and shout

27:15

and... It makes you feel like you can do

27:17

something instead of just watching. It doesn't feel

27:20

like

27:20

the utmost that I'm actually doing something,

27:22

but at least I can be alongside people. And it has also

27:24

just felt therapeutic internally, again,

27:27

to just be able to shout and... How

27:29

have the last few weeks been

27:31

feeling, just, I guess, following the news,

27:34

talking to friends about what's happening?

27:36

How has that been going? I've been put into words how that's

27:38

been feeling. It's

27:40

like little deaths every day, internally,

27:43

just selecting what is happening in the world.

27:47

Yeah, just like breathing in mourning constantly, but how

27:49

do you put that into words? I'm

27:50

not able to really. So it feels

27:52

like an internal death every time I see

27:54

any news. And so again,

27:57

so being alongside people who are feeling the same way has felt

27:59

really important. w a

28:29

lot of the media coverage about this it seems

28:31

to have just started on October

28:33

7th they treated like history started

28:36

on that day so how challenging

28:38

has it been to follow the news since

28:40

then

28:41

as an Arab the dehumanization feels very

28:44

disappointing and very hurtful

28:46

and I was too young during 2001 and 2003

28:49

but I've heard that it's that same

28:51

level of like Islamophobia and

28:54

the humanization of Arabs and Muslims

28:56

and Palestinians specifically but

28:58

I can't say I'm surprised

29:01

journalists have a responsibility to

29:03

accurately

29:05

question and critique

29:08

superpowers

29:09

and I am not surprised that

29:11

the US media has failed to do that

29:14

because it has always failed to do that not

29:16

even fact checking their own guests who

29:18

come on and lie specifically like

29:20

Israeli officials and we've

29:22

heard the most outrageous things being said

29:25

and it's just not

29:25

being fact checked or corrected

29:28

or anything you said

29:29

you're too young to remember you

29:31

know 01, 02, 03 I unfortunately

29:34

I'm not too young to remember that there

29:36

was no social media back then there was no YouTube

29:38

there was no Instagram there was no TikTok so

29:41

it's like the mainstream

29:43

media is just doing such an awful

29:46

job but then you have to remember that

29:49

most people don't watch them

29:51

anymore or they don't have that much

29:53

credibility so it's like do

29:56

any of your friends watch cable news

29:58

or the nightly news

29:59

No, but I have family

30:02

who does, like my parents do. My mom,

30:05

who consumes all her media through

30:07

cable news, corporate news, was

30:10

completely paralyzed out of terror

30:12

and heartbreak at the way that they were covering

30:14

it. And it's been

30:17

like for her really affirming

30:19

for me to give her news that she's not seeing on

30:21

that television

30:22

to show that there is a different narrative

30:24

and that there is pushback. You

30:27

have world leaders who do care and who

30:29

are speaking out for Palestine, people

30:31

in the streets getting arrested. I don't

30:33

know if CNN reported on the Jewish Voices for Peace

30:35

protest last night, but everyone with

30:38

an Instagram saw the videos and I think

30:40

that's where people get in on most of their news and I think that's a good thing

30:42

because it brings the news back into the people

30:45

in Palestine's hands. You know what I mean? We're

30:47

hearing directly from them on the ground.

30:49

The last few weeks have been so hard on everyone,

30:52

but all of a sudden there

30:54

are thousands of people here for the last

30:56

several hours. How does that feel to you?

30:59

It feels really amazing to see

31:01

more and more people

31:02

out in the streets than previous protests

31:05

and to see more and more people being radicalized

31:07

and gaining consciousness and putting

31:10

that consciousness and that education into

31:12

action.

31:13

I think we're just getting started. People

31:15

are just starting to tune in. I think

31:17

it's about to grow exponentially and the

31:19

more that this administration and the media

31:22

lies to an educated public, the

31:24

more they make an ask out of themselves, the more that they

31:27

lose credibility

31:27

and we're shifting

31:29

the tide. You know what I mean? It's going to happen.

31:32

What brings you here today?

31:41

I

31:43

mean,

31:45

doing the right thing, standing with

31:47

people who deserve to be stood

31:48

with, standing with people who are not

31:51

being heard at all the way

31:53

we're supposed to for each other. Is

31:55

this your crew here? Did you come with this group here today?

31:57

Yes, my girlfriend. Some salad

31:59

there.

31:59

just being with your partner. Really

32:02

the only thing that I would want to say

32:04

is the

32:07

sooner we realize that

32:09

our struggles are interconnected, whether

32:11

it be the black struggle or,

32:14

you know what I'm saying, like, the

32:16

immigration struggle, the sooner we

32:18

realize that all of those things are interconnected

32:21

and that all of our oppressors are

32:22

the same people with the same agenda,

32:25

people with white supremacy on the mind

32:27

and imperialism on the mind, the

32:29

sooner we realize that all of our

32:31

oppressors are the same exact people,

32:34

the sooner we'll get free. Have

32:36

you been active in protests before today,

32:38

before this? Yeah, definitely. I mean,

32:40

the

32:41

moment that I think

32:43

radicalized me was

32:45

Mike Brown.

32:47

I was a teenager at that time. The

32:50

interesting thing about Mike Brown

32:52

and Ferguson was, it was at that time

32:55

that protesters in Palestine

32:57

and protesters in Ferguson would

33:00

start communicating, commiserating,

33:02

trading notes about what it's

33:05

like being tear gassed, about what it's like being under oppression,

33:08

about what it's like dealing with law

33:11

enforcement or military occupation. So

33:14

that seemed to be a big moment in black,

33:17

Palestinian solidarity

33:19

and relations. So it's interesting that

33:21

it's still manifesting itself now. I mean, yeah,

33:24

it has gone back for a long time

33:26

also. You know what I mean? Like, the Black

33:29

Panther Party, they were in solidarity

33:31

with the Palestinian people. Angela Davis

33:33

in solidarity with the Palestinian

33:35

people. So many of

33:37

our leaders stood with Palestinian

33:39

people. And I think if

33:42

my community looks

33:44

deeply into that and looks

33:46

deeply into a Palestinian struggle, like

33:49

we already said, we'll find a lot of commonalities

33:52

and a lot to

33:53

talk about and a lot to

33:55

figure out together. A

33:57

lot of people in D.C. are talking about

33:59

what Joe was talking about.

33:59

Joe Biden just lost a lot of support

34:02

from progressive Democrats, from young

34:05

people, from people

34:07

of color. Have you voted for Democrats

34:10

before and are you still open to voting for,

34:12

say, Biden in I've

34:15

only voted for Democrats. I will

34:17

not vote for Joe Biden, no matter what he

34:19

says, no matter what he does.

34:22

And this will sound crazy, but I would

34:24

turn this country over to

34:27

Republicans before I vote for Joe Biden. The

34:30

thing about it is, one

34:32

of them is a wolf, one of them

34:34

is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And

34:38

I hope, I hope, I hope,

34:40

I hope that people can see it and

34:43

we can find new options. Because

34:45

this, like, Joe Biden

34:47

will never get my vote again. And any

34:51

politician, any president that

34:53

doesn't stand with Palestine will

34:56

also never

34:56

get my vote. I think I might

34:58

be ready for a world where we do start getting back on

35:00

politicians back at every wrong

35:02

turn. I think I'm kind of sick of people thinking,

35:05

oh, we have a Democratic president in office.

35:07

I can trust that he's doing the right thing. Like, these

35:10

past few weeks have shown us our

35:12

presidents are not really going to protect us. Our

35:15

presidents are our oppressors. Biden

35:17

is not listening to us. 66% of

35:20

voters want a ceasefire and he

35:22

is not calling for a ceasefire. And like, I

35:25

think 84% of Democrats want

35:27

a ceasefire as well. Like he's not listening to those

35:29

people. He's not listening to the majority of people.

35:32

He is just enacting his own agenda. And

35:34

every president will keep enacting their own agenda.

35:37

And I think we have to realize that we need

35:39

to reform the system completely to

35:43

actually get any support

35:45

from leadership.

35:47

And I think until then, like, we just have to fight

35:49

on the ground and do it ourselves. Can

35:51

I ask you just one question? Because you mentioned that Biden

35:53

would never get your vote again. Was there a moment that

35:56

that switch happened for you that you remember? You

35:59

might not, but is there?

35:59

What was it? What was it? I do remember.

36:02

It was the beheaded babies. I

36:04

saw the photos of the beheaded babies. And

36:08

as we know, Israel has provided zero

36:10

evidence

36:10

for those beheaded babies.

36:12

He has continued to get on his podium

36:14

and lie to us. And

36:17

like I said, he lies about

36:19

things that we can see for ourselves and

36:21

like that we can fact check ourselves. And

36:24

I just can't trust somebody like that.

36:26

Yeah. Is

36:28

that the same for you guys too? Same

36:30

moment. I'm sorry. Yeah. Thank

36:33

you. Free team Palestine!

36:36

Free team Palestine! Free

36:38

team Palestine! Free team

36:40

Palestine! Free team

36:43

Palestine! Free team Palestine!

36:46

Free team Palestine!

36:48

Anything else you want to say before we wrap up?

36:51

Anyone else want to talk? I'm

36:53

from Lebanon, from Beirut. This is my second

36:55

year in the US. My grandfather was

36:57

from Palestine. And so I

37:00

was never able to go back. Neither was my father.

37:03

And so now it feels like really amazing

37:05

and historical to be able to do that and

37:07

speak on behalf of my parents and their parents.

37:10

How long have you been in the US? Two

37:12

years. Two years. Okay. So how being

37:14

in a new country and having all this happen

37:17

and having the media onslaught,

37:20

how does it feel to be an American in America

37:22

at a time like this? It's

37:24

really, you know, dissociating. It's

37:27

pretty crazy for

37:29

something as simple as the word Israel to be normalized

37:31

in the sentence here and then not

37:33

being able to say anything about it. And that was,

37:36

that's how it felt in my previous workplace where

37:38

people casually mentioned celebrities

37:40

that were supporting Israel. My co-founder

37:43

was probably Israeli and would, you know,

37:45

mention it in the workspace, asking me

37:47

where I'm born and then letting me know that he's Israeli

37:50

and kind of like expecting an answer or

37:52

some kind of response from my end. So I

37:54

feel like that's something that was always, that was never

37:57

normalized for me. So it's really, um... It

38:00

was really terrifying to be in a space where you

38:02

have no way to... I

38:04

don't know. Do

38:06

you feel that you're able to let

38:09

them know, Hey, I'm Lebanese,

38:11

I'm Palestinian. Are you able to equally

38:14

tell your story? Or are you made

38:17

to feel that you need to repress your

38:19

background or your heritage? Definitely

38:22

was made to feel repressed by... I couldn't

38:24

say anything about it, especially at work. It

38:26

was always that fear that it would cause...

38:29

I don't know. I would fear for my job, for my

38:31

security in the country. People

38:33

wouldn't understand, would directly classify

38:36

me with something that they don't understand as well.

38:39

So I was definitely silenced

38:41

a lot of times. I would meet people who would let

38:43

me know that they were from Israel. And then oftentimes

38:46

would then ask me if we could be friends.

38:49

And it was really crazy because for me,

38:52

it's like they don't see that there's already a huge power dynamic.

38:54

And them asking me if I'm comfortable being

38:56

friends with them or having a conversation with them. It

38:59

just says so much about

39:02

their comfort in the situation. This is how

39:05

disturbing it can be for anyone like

39:07

me. I'm Palestinian and

39:09

Syrian myself and Muslim myself. So

39:12

now we're even... Ordinarily,

39:14

we're already on the defensive about

39:17

our background. We have to let

39:19

them know that we're the good guys, we're the safe ones,

39:22

you know, we're not the terrorists or whatever. And

39:24

now after October 7th, you have to doubly

39:27

be on defense and let people know that, no,

39:30

I'm one of the good ones. There's a lot of

39:32

that, but at the same time, I feel like

39:34

I'm slowly... With the support of people,

39:36

I'm slowly letting go of that, needing

39:38

to justify anything. I

39:40

feel like even if I justify as much as I will

39:42

and show them history and proof, at

39:45

the end of the day, I feel

39:47

like we're always going to be portrayed as barbaric

39:49

or terrorist in their eyes. So there's

39:51

no point in like, wasting my energy

39:53

and proving my innocence to

39:55

them. You know, at the end of the day, I'm going to continue to fight and

39:57

resist. I don't think... the

40:00

battle is in justifying

40:03

our stance at this point or our innocence

40:05

because you know we're just weakening

40:07

our forces that way and said we're going to keep fighting

40:10

and if they choose to open their eyes that's when

40:12

the change will happen

40:13

you know.

40:14

Last question, this was a

40:17

huge turnout today and it was very

40:19

very diverse. I thought it was, I saw

40:22

all the Palestinian groups organizing

40:24

it. I thought it would be predominantly

40:26

Arab but it was extremely diverse.

40:29

What did it feel like to be in a crowd

40:31

like this today? I feel like it feels

40:33

like I'm less afraid to walk out with a kafir,

40:35

you know something as simple as that. It is

40:38

definitely nice to see people from all walks

40:40

of life and different backgrounds come in solidarity with Palestine,

40:43

something that we probably previously would not have seen. It

40:45

just creates a safer environment for us to exist

40:48

peacefully, slowly changing the status quo.

40:51

Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it.

40:53

Wow,

41:00

there's a lot of food for thought there isn't there.

41:03

Thank you Angie and Basil and

41:05

all of you who agreed to speak to

41:07

me here on my podcast. Please

41:11

share this with others. Let these

41:13

voices be heard. You will not

41:15

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41:17

media. They're not pundits. They're

41:20

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41:22

not ex-generals giving

41:24

you the way of the land there. These

41:27

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41:30

they care deeply about what's going on. Thank

41:33

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44:28

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44:31

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44:34

active in doing whatever I can do

44:36

with you and with millions of others to

44:39

bring peace here and to

44:41

stop any kind of slaughter. My

44:45

condolences to all who suffered

44:47

in Israel and in Palestine, and

44:50

especially this last week, the slaughter,

44:53

the rubble, the bombs, the rockets,

44:56

the unbelievable carnage

44:58

in Gaza perpetrated by Netanyahu

45:03

and his military wing. Wow. End

45:07

the fighting. Release

45:10

the hostages. Let's all learn

45:12

to live with each other. And

45:15

let's free the people that have been living in an

45:17

open-air prison for the last 16 years. Come

45:20

on. Enough. Really.

45:25

You know, doesn't anybody ever stop to think,

45:27

oh, we're going to pay for this someday? What

45:31

are we doing trying to create

45:34

a whole new generation of people that reach

45:37

a point where they feel like all they can do is to

45:41

kill, do other killings? It's

45:44

like, I do not want to live

45:46

in this world like this. And the fact

45:48

is I'm not going anywhere. So that

45:51

means I and you and all of us have to participate.

45:53

And I think if there's anything you get out of this, if

45:56

you've been feeling this great despair over

45:59

these last three or four weeks,

45:59

weeks.

46:01

One way to get out of that despair is to act,

46:03

get up off the couch, get

46:05

out of the house and

46:08

participate, join a group, join

46:10

a protest, make your voice heard,

46:13

just get active and be with other

46:15

people. Don't do this alone. Don't

46:18

sit there and think it's just all hopeless

46:20

now. It's all and I'm helpless and

46:22

I everything I've done to work

46:25

for the good of humanity in my life and it's like

46:27

what's the point? No, no,

46:29

do not give into that. Get

46:32

out there, be with other humans, call a

46:34

friend or two, get in the street,

46:37

be peaceful, be nonviolent,

46:40

offer your hand of love to

46:42

a person who might be surprised that you're

46:44

offering that hand. Let them

46:47

know the world you want to live in. You

46:50

will feel better at the very least honest

46:53

to God. You will feel better

46:55

being with others, other

46:58

like-minded people that want to

47:00

see a better world. Okay

47:02

that's gonna wrap

47:05

it up for us here on

47:10

Rumble with Michael Moore. I

47:12

will have more to say in the coming days both

47:14

on this podcast but also my sub stack

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and you can sign up for my sub stack. It's all

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free just like the podcast. If

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you all of you who do that many

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many things but you don't have to do that there's

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or with the podcast so please participate

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47:38

greatly appreciate it and I honor

47:40

all of you who are out there demonstrating

47:43

and protesting for peace writing your

47:45

members of Congress and

47:47

encouraging this president

47:50

to call for a ceasefire. Let's

47:53

straighten this out no more killing

47:55

this is every night every morning I wake

47:57

up hundreds of more dead children

48:00

Or what? What did they do? Stop it.

48:03

Stop it. The

48:10

world knows that this is wrong. The

48:12

world was appalled at what happened on October

48:14

7th. But this doesn't

48:17

make it right.

48:20

And we know it and they know it. So

48:23

don't just sit back. It's

48:25

that one young woman said, silence is

48:28

violence. I'm

48:30

Michael Moore. Thanks again to Basil

48:33

Hamden and Juvargos for

48:36

helping make these last two episodes

48:38

possible. And I'll talk to you

48:41

all very, very soon. This is Michael Moore

48:44

and this is Rumble.

48:44

Peace out. Now

48:47

I've been crying lately, thinking

48:50

about the world as it is. Why

48:54

must we go and hate you?

48:56

Why can't we live and live? And

48:59

I'm on the air to talk.

49:02

And there I could be straight. Now

49:04

I'm in for

49:07

the shot

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on the apron.