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to oppose the Durbin-Marshall credit

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card bill. Ronna

0:31

McDaniel, former head of the RNC, apparently

0:33

was hired by NBC. I

0:35

don't know if she's going to keep her job or not, but

0:38

apparently their heads were blowing off yesterday. This

0:41

is a little bit of what happened on Meet

0:43

the Press and then Morning Joe a bit earlier

0:45

today. I have

0:47

no idea whether any answer she gave to you was

0:50

because she didn't want to mess up her contract.

0:53

She has credibility issues that she still has to

0:55

deal with. Is she speaking for herself

0:57

or is she speaking on behalf of who's paying her? We

1:00

weren't asked our opinion of the hiring, but

1:02

if we were, we would have strongly objected to it

1:04

for several reasons. We hope NBC

1:07

will reconsider its decision. It

1:09

goes without saying that she will not

1:12

be a guest on Morning Joe in her capacity

1:14

as a paid contributor. Ladies

1:21

and gentlemen, your attention

1:23

please. Just a catch of strays

1:26

over here. You're

1:28

in for a hell of a show. Keep the faith.

1:30

Hold the line and own the libs. It's time

1:33

for our main event. Welcome

1:37

back to a good week here

1:39

at the Ruthless Variety Program, where

1:41

Sans One Ashbrook is doing spring

1:44

break things. Yeah, he's

1:46

on vacation, but that's just Ashbrook.

1:52

I mean, it feels like it's an every other week

1:54

thing. We're just like violent. Guy

1:56

likes his vacation. Just violent. is

2:00

the Cold War, the variety program right now. I

2:02

love it. Every episode it's a new jab. It

2:06

really is. Yeah. It really is. So what

2:09

you heard off top was

2:11

NBC's decision to make Ronna

2:13

McDaniel, the former chair of

2:16

the RNC, a paid

2:19

contributor to their program. And

2:22

apparently that has ruffled all kinds of feathers and you

2:25

saw you heard a couple

2:27

clips, Chuck Todd and

2:29

everyone else where I

2:31

mean they have a they have

2:34

a huge problem, a credibility problem.

2:37

We're gonna get into all of that because

2:39

I think we've got a lot to say. Yeah,

2:41

absolutely. But I just

2:44

want some initial react from you guys.

2:46

I mean I think to

2:48

me the most striking part was seeing Joe

2:51

and Mika flip out about this and

2:53

it said like the headline at the bottom of the screen

2:55

was like the GOP in the

2:57

age of Donald Trump and I'm actually old enough

3:00

to remember when Donald Trump was running

3:02

in 2016 and anytime he

3:04

wanted to call in he could have just free reign

3:06

on Morning Joe and Mika would be like giggling like

3:08

a schoolgirl the whole way through. Yeah.

3:11

These people believe in nothing. They're also nihilists is

3:14

the thing and so they think oh you know

3:16

if we take a principled stand we're not gonna

3:18

allow any conservative. They have Jen Saki. They

3:20

handed her her own show like the day

3:22

after she left the podium at the White

3:25

House. These people believe in nothing. But also

3:27

wasn't Chuck Todd a dem staffer? He still

3:29

is. And Tim Russer

3:31

and George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos had to

3:33

lie on behalf of Bill

3:36

Clinton when Bill Clinton was attacking women so

3:38

he's got a lot of credibility. Yeah but

3:40

you hire like a Republican. The chairwoman of

3:43

the RNC. No,

3:45

can't do it. Well to act

3:47

like she's got nothing to provide

3:49

is really something. Yeah. Really something. Anyway

3:51

we're gonna get into all of that and

3:53

a lot more. We wanted

3:56

to start with a special topic. Yeah.

3:58

One that we've discussed. on

4:01

this program for months

4:03

and months and months, although we've done it,

4:06

we've tried to do it respectfully.

4:10

I think that we're not gonna do it respectfully. No,

4:13

I don't think we can do

4:15

it respectfully. And the only reason

4:17

why, dear listener, is I think

4:19

it's an existential crisis for the

4:21

Republican Party and the people who are

4:23

sitting here on this show would like to win. And in

4:27

order to win, we have to tell you some

4:29

hard truths about what's happening right now in

4:33

an area that I don't think is getting a lot

4:35

of coverage in conservative

4:37

circles in media. Everyone's obsessed with

4:39

Trump trials and all these sort

4:41

of stuff, but like there is

4:43

blocking and tackling of elections that

4:46

determine the winner that we're screwing

4:48

up right now. So

4:50

the beauty of conservative politics, as

4:53

you all believe in free market

4:55

policy, you all believe in capitalism,

4:57

and everything else. The

5:00

downside of that is that you get a whole

5:02

bunch of free market of capitalists who

5:05

think a good pitch makes

5:07

more than a good

5:10

outcome. And we've seen this

5:13

for a number of years, and what I'm

5:15

talking about specifically is a massive grift that's

5:17

happened within the conservative

5:19

movement that has

5:21

had well-meaning donors and well-meaning

5:24

participants in a process come to

5:26

believe things that people say bring

5:31

them a little bit closer to victory. And basically

5:34

what they do is they criticize

5:36

anything that's been quote-unquote establishment. And

5:40

in their

5:42

alternative version, everything is new,

5:44

brand new, and interesting, and

5:46

fun. What we need

5:49

to do is play you the

5:51

audio of something that

5:53

we heard over the weekend. Yeah,

5:56

this is a video put

5:58

out by Turning Point Action. And

6:01

just for the background for our listeners,

6:03

Turning Point Action has been

6:05

putting together a what

6:07

they say is going to be

6:10

$100 million get out the vote

6:12

operation, the backdrop being

6:14

there that Republicans have

6:16

failed to motivate people

6:18

to vote through a variety

6:21

of ways and that Turning Point is going to

6:23

step in and take over this process to make

6:25

sure Republicans win in 2024. So

6:28

let's play that clip. Democrats

6:30

have expanded early voting for one

6:32

reason, one reason alone. It gives

6:34

them more opportunity to chase down

6:36

more ballot. If you vote too

6:38

early, you're basically telling Democrats how

6:40

many votes they need to win.

6:42

We are huge advocates for day

6:44

of returning back to single day,

6:46

holy election day promise, right? Not

6:49

trying to encourage more people to get all the early

6:51

voting lists. Yarn C has said that. We think that's

6:53

wrong. Turning Point Action team right now are

6:55

helping people to say, okay, you're an early voter.

6:58

Let's make you a day of voter. Our

7:00

focus is people who don't vote. So

7:02

chase the vote is focused on let's

7:04

make people who don't vote that are

7:06

already registered. Let's get their ballot in

7:09

and then teach them to become the

7:11

vote and the reason why that's important.

7:14

Right. So I need to

7:16

specify one thing, all those weird jump cuts

7:19

that you heard. That's

7:21

not us. That's them. They put

7:23

this video out. They

7:26

put this video out. That's like an

7:28

online thing, especially like on TikTok where

7:30

any second that might have like a

7:33

pause gets edited. They edit that out.

7:35

It's just so weird to put out

7:37

that video with 10 jump

7:39

cuts and be like, yep, this is a banger.

7:44

So hold on. Who is this

7:46

dude that's talking? I

7:49

think that's Tyler. Tyler Boyer?

7:52

Boyer? I think so. want

8:00

to take, we talked about this earlier on

8:02

this year. Turning Point

8:04

USA has said they're going to put together

8:06

a $150 million

8:08

operation that deals with

8:11

early vote, that deals

8:13

with registration, that

8:15

deals with- Absentee by mail.

8:17

Absentee, it also deals with

8:20

like vote hauling, right? Like a full,

8:24

where it's legal. Well, yeah, the

8:26

point was, I think, like

8:29

the Democrats made these rules,

8:32

we got to play their own game in order to

8:34

win. And that's what they said that

8:36

they wanted to do, was that

8:38

they created all these rules, and so we need

8:40

to go out and play by their rules in

8:42

order to win. Okay. All right.

8:45

Yeah, I actually love that. Like, I mean, that

8:48

makes total sense. That sounds great. And then you

8:50

fast forward a year. I mean, again, I remember

8:52

after 2020, there was all this talk among conservatives

8:54

online, like, we should put

8:56

drop boxes outside of like every

8:58

church, every country. You know what I

9:00

mean? Like, yes. And

9:03

I would point out that Mike Garcia and

9:05

Young Kim wouldn't be Republicans

9:07

in the House of Representatives, if not for

9:09

the way that they did this in California.

9:11

They played by the rules as the Democrats-

9:13

They did, so all the Democrats cried about

9:15

it. Right. But like, remember the fact that

9:17

they went to the mat saying, if Democrats

9:19

are going to ballot harvest, we

9:22

need to ballot harvest too. And that was

9:24

the whole- It makes sense.

9:26

Fight, fire, fire. That was the whole

9:28

impetus behind this operation. Right. None of

9:30

any of these people, by the way,

9:32

have won so much as a dog

9:35

catcher context. At any point,

9:37

like, they're entertainers. They do a nice

9:41

sort of conservative- Pitch.

9:43

In convention, where they bring people in, they put

9:46

it together a show, and there's lasers and it's

9:48

great. Whatever. That's terrific. None

9:51

of them have actually won anything

9:53

to speak of. But now

9:55

that they have you, and I don't know

9:58

how much they've raised towards their hundred- But

10:01

what they're talking about was if

10:03

Democrats are going to ballot harvest, we're going to

10:05

ballot harvest. Wait, what? No.

10:08

What was that? What was that?

10:10

Well, so now what, what did he

10:12

just say? Now what they're saying is

10:14

if you vote by mail or vote

10:16

early, you're letting the Democrats know

10:19

how many Republicans have voted.

10:21

And then that's going to be,

10:23

that's going to tell them how many votes

10:25

they have to steal or something. I don't

10:27

know. It's not going to be editorial, but the

10:30

thing that I found most upsetting about that

10:32

entire video was the idea that someone would

10:34

be a person who regularly votes early and

10:36

you tell them, don't do that. You know,

10:38

don't do that. That was going to be the

10:40

most disturbing thing. It like only vote on election

10:42

day. I mean, can you figure out- We're

10:44

trying to convert- That's trying to lose. That

10:47

is trying to lose an election. Can we,

10:49

can we, just because the jump cuts and

10:51

the shitty production value of that thing was

10:54

so fucking bad. I need everyone

10:56

to hear it twice just

10:58

to internalize the dumb

11:00

fuckery that is involved in what it

11:02

is that they're telling people. Yeah. Crats

11:06

have expanded early voting for one

11:08

reason and one reason alone. It

11:10

gives them more opportunity to chase

11:12

down more ballot. If you vote

11:14

too early, you're basically telling Democrats

11:16

how many votes they need to win.

11:19

We are huge advocates for day

11:21

of, returning back to single day,

11:23

holy election day, promise, right? We're

11:26

trying to encourage more people to get all the early voting lists. Oh my God. The

11:28

RMP has said that. We think that's wrong. The

11:30

Greenpoint Action team right now are helping people to

11:32

say, okay, you're an early voter. Let's make you

11:34

a day of voter. Our focus

11:37

is people who don't vote. Right.

11:39

So chase the vote is focused on, let's

11:42

make people who don't vote that are already

11:44

registered. Let's get their ballot in and then

11:46

teach them to become day of voters and

11:49

the reason why that's important. Right. Hold on,

11:51

hold on. I'm so fucking confused. Let's get

11:53

their ballot in. Yeah. But

11:55

then teach them to be day of voters.

11:58

Right. Isn't that seem isn't that. You're

12:00

going to convince people to vote early,

12:03

and then you're going to tell them,

12:05

actually, that's the bad process, and now

12:07

you have to be an election day

12:09

voter. I mean, the rhetorical pretzels these

12:11

people have to twist themselves into rather

12:13

than just having a good absentee

12:15

and early vote program. It's absurd. It's,

12:17

it's, it's patently absurd. And what I

12:19

find most absurd about it is that

12:21

turning point action, all these folks came

12:23

up in Arizona politics, where the bread

12:25

and butter of the Republican party has

12:28

been the permanent early voter list. The

12:30

people who vote early is how Republicans won

12:32

in that state. And then Kelly

12:34

Ward came in and all these dipshits, and

12:36

we haven't been able to win statewide in

12:39

the state ever since. I mean, let's

12:41

put up, put up, put up, uh, put up the

12:43

2016 graphic one, 2016

12:46

vote method in Arizona. Okay.

12:49

So there you see early ballots. And what

12:51

Arizona does is they roll up absentee by

12:53

mail and, and in person early vote. And

12:56

if you look at the early

12:58

ballots there, you

13:00

see Republicans won early

13:02

ballots. They won by 20, 20,000 votes, 20,000 votes.

13:07

And then you know what? We have a

13:09

strong election day turnout. We always do.

13:13

And those two things in concert means

13:15

you win the state by three and a half

13:17

points. And Donald Trump is

13:19

president of the United States because of programs like

13:21

that. Okay. So let's

13:23

flash forward to 2020. Let's

13:26

put that graphic on the screen. Oh,

13:28

look, we lost early ballots by 140,000 votes.

13:32

Holy shit. 140,000

13:35

vote deficit walking into election

13:37

day. Yeah.

13:39

You go from winning it to 140,000 votes. And

13:45

I don't care how good your turnout operation

13:47

is for election day. When you have a

13:49

hill that's steep to climb, you can't

13:52

get there. That's how we've lost Arizona

13:54

in 2020. We

13:56

banked all on election day and we had a

13:58

great turnout on election day. But it's

14:00

not enough if the Democrats are banking

14:02

all of those votes in absentee by

14:04

mail and early vote. It just doesn't

14:06

fucking work. And I don't understand how

14:09

people who came up in Arizona politics

14:11

who've seen how this operation is supposed

14:13

to work can be on there in

14:15

that video talking about taking people who

14:17

vote early that we have in

14:19

their voter file That that is

14:22

how they vote and trying to get them

14:24

to change their behavior and not bank their

14:26

vote. It is patently fucking absurd. Help

14:29

me understand one

14:32

aspect of this because I I'm

14:34

I'm frankly I

14:36

don't get it. I like I literally just don't I mean that's

14:38

the thing is To me

14:40

the most completely offensive part is

14:43

saying we get people who Would

14:45

vote early and we tell them don't do that

14:47

right to show up on election day. Here's the

14:49

thing is When someone when

14:52

you get a Republican to vote early when you have

14:54

that vote in hand It's like, you know with one

14:56

in hands with two in the bush I mean everyone's

14:59

known this saying for time immemorial, you know, you've got

15:01

that vote But you want to say no, I

15:03

want to roll the dice and see if election day works

15:05

for you I don't know if your kid's

15:07

gonna get sick. I don't know if there's gonna be a

15:09

blizzard I don't know if you're gonna get into

15:11

a car accident I don't know if a

15:13

nine million things that everyone faces on their

15:16

daily lives and smud happened and smugs Think

15:18

about the misallocation of resources that you have

15:20

somebody who's a proven early voter And now

15:22

you're going to have to turn them out

15:25

for election day So now you've

15:27

changed your entire go tv budget as

15:29

a political campaign and instead of being

15:31

able to save resources Knowing

15:33

that you have both in the fucking bank It's

15:35

a lot more expensive to get voters out on

15:38

election day than to get their ballot So instead

15:40

of instead of having to send p2p text messages

15:42

to people who are election day only voters Now

15:44

you have to spend even more money on election

15:46

day Convincing people who you should have

15:48

banked their vote already and you got to turn them

15:51

out on election day Well, I think arizona is a

15:53

perfect example, right because they have an incredible reporting structure

15:55

Yes in which by the end of I don't think

15:57

it's is it every week or is it every day?

16:00

In person, it's every day. So it's

16:03

every day. So the ballot gets returned.

16:05

You're a registered voter in the state

16:07

of Arizona. If a ballot

16:09

gets returned, you know the registration of the

16:11

participant. Right. And

16:13

you actually see whether or not it is

16:16

in the bank or not in the bank. And

16:19

so it takes the subjectivity

16:21

out of what you're

16:23

marketing to try to get people out.

16:25

The GOTV budget, as we call it,

16:27

it's called get out the vote budget

16:30

shrinks based upon who it is that

16:32

you know that's already voted. So

16:34

it's, I don't know, I mean you don't have

16:36

to be fucking Einstein to figure out if your

16:39

people have already voted in a certain segment. You

16:41

don't need to actually advertise to those people. Right.

16:43

You save a lot of money. You can save

16:45

a lot of money. You can figure out how

16:47

to winnow the field and figure out how

16:49

to suppress your advertising budget right

16:52

to the point where it matters

16:54

where you're getting straight down to

16:56

people for election day, low propensity

16:58

voters. And

17:00

these guys are saying, no, no, no, no, no,

17:03

no. Let's make things a lot harder.

17:05

What we'd like to do is a Rube Goldberg

17:07

experiment. It's an

17:09

election that we're being outspent six to

17:12

fucking one. I'd

17:14

like to figure out how to spend all of our

17:16

money maintaining

17:18

what we already had

17:21

just paying for it all. Yeah.

17:23

Push it all to election day. Not trying

17:25

to do the persuasion element. And he was

17:27

talking about voters that don't vote at all.

17:30

Voters don't vote. Wouldn't it

17:32

be nice to focus on voters that don't vote at all? It

17:34

would be great. You know when you can do that? After

17:37

you get the permanent absentee. Your

17:39

mail-in vote? Yeah, your mail-in vote. Your mail-in

17:41

vote. It's already in. Right. Dude,

17:44

this is what we've been talking about the

17:46

whole time with these people. They have no

17:48

fucking idea what it is that they're talking

17:50

about. There's no idea how to win an

17:52

actual election. The only way that you get

17:55

to the point where you're turning out voters

17:57

that don't vote at all is when you've

17:59

already voted. with

18:01

your five of five, four of five, three

18:03

of five Republican voters. And the thing is

18:05

you learn all of this the

18:07

first, and for sure by the second, campaign

18:10

you work on. You can be

18:12

the most junior dude, junior

18:14

person on the totem pole. You can be the

18:17

intern, or you know, interns who got to your

18:19

work, managing the volunteers, taking care of them, making

18:21

sure the phones are ringing. That's great stuff. But

18:24

you learn these kind of basics of blocking

18:26

and tackling on like the first or second

18:28

campaign that you work. These are basics. These

18:30

are fundamentals. If you're listening to this

18:32

right now, and I don't blame you if this is you,

18:34

I totally understand it. And

18:36

you're wondering like why are the guys

18:38

like so hot on this thing? You

18:41

know, maybe you've never worked on a political

18:44

campaign. But like this is the equivalent of

18:46

like, you know, the discovery

18:48

of the wheel. And the

18:51

wheel works, and the wheel

18:53

has always worked, and the wheel gets

18:55

you places. And then people coming along

18:57

and being like, those people selling the

18:59

wheel are wrong. The

19:02

wheel should be triangles. The triangles

19:04

will get us there faster. It's

19:07

just like that is the basic level of

19:09

ignorance here in this entire thing. And

19:12

that's why we're so hot is because this isn't

19:14

just like, look, I don't have a fucking thing

19:16

to sell. I'm telling you, don't fund

19:18

that. I'm telling you, if you

19:20

are like a conservative billionaire, and like you're

19:23

giving this money, I hope

19:25

your kids baker act your ass and

19:28

put you in a fucking home and

19:30

put your estate in a conservatorship. I'm

19:32

telling you what you just said makes

19:34

it – if you find your grandparents

19:37

or parents funding an operation

19:39

like that, you should

19:41

put their estate into a conservatorship. Because

19:43

that is like the decision-making

19:46

process that leads you to

19:48

ruin. Like, I don't understand

19:50

for the life of me how anyone

19:52

can come to the conclusion that that

19:55

is what you're buying. If you want to

19:58

win an election, that is precisely – Precisely

20:00

what you do not buy. Precisely

20:03

what you do not buy.

20:05

That is the reason we are in the situation

20:08

that we're in. Do you ever sit back and

20:10

wonder how it is that you won, I don't

20:12

know, four or

20:14

six presidential elections in

20:16

a row? How you had massive

20:19

majorities in 2014? How

20:24

Republican party politics figured

20:27

itself out and was emergent in

20:29

2016 with the rise of

20:32

Donald Trump? How it is lost in 2018,

20:34

2020, 2022, 2023, and now we're entering in 2024? Does

20:43

that ever occur to anybody? Does

20:46

anybody think about that? That's the thing.

20:49

With things like permanent

20:52

absentee lists, that was something I

20:54

was always extremely competent at,

20:56

always laser focused on because of the important stuff.

20:59

The thing is that permanent absentee

21:02

lists, going after early voters, chasing

21:04

ballots, it's not sexy because

21:06

there's no money in it. There's no money to be made

21:08

in there because it's like, okay, well, we're going to put

21:10

the list of permanent absentee voters on the phone so the

21:12

volunteers are going to call them and be like, hey, have

21:14

you put the ballot in the mail? There's

21:16

no money to be made there, but if you can

21:18

be like, I've got the secret sauce and it's the

21:20

exact opposite of what you think, I'm the only truth

21:22

teller out here, there's a fortune to be made. I've

21:25

got the triangle. That's it. I've got

21:27

the triangle. You tried the wheel, I have

21:29

the secret triangle. That's a disgusting reality. That's

21:32

the thing. You'll be like, I'm the only

21:34

one. You think it's stupid, but that's the reason

21:36

why I know I'm trying to. Can

21:39

we talk about the psychology of the solution? He

21:42

said at one point, we're

21:44

encouraging people not to

21:47

early register because then

21:49

Democrats know how many

21:51

ballots you need to win. What

21:54

is it about that logic

21:57

that makes you ... Do

22:00

you think the entire thing was going to be

22:02

rigged? What makes election day voting sacrosanct? That's

22:04

the thing. You know, like if you

22:06

really believe that the entire thing is

22:09

going to be rigged soup to nuts, but it's

22:11

not going to be on election day, on election

22:13

day, it's like, it's all good. Everything

22:16

else is absolutely rigged. Not to mention

22:18

the fact that like you conceal that

22:20

absentee by mail ballot

22:22

and you can track it online all the way

22:25

through processing into vote counting. No, that's going to

22:27

be rigged too. No, you got to show up

22:29

on election day and then it's going to be perfect.

22:31

It doesn't fucking work, dude. I just showed you the

22:33

numbers. 2020, we got vote raised. We

22:35

got fucking vote raised in early vote and absentee

22:38

by mail. And that's how we lost Arizona.

22:40

And we'll lose it again if people don't go back to the

22:42

bread and butter of the Republican party. I'm

22:44

going to go blue in the fucking face talking about this,

22:46

but it's true. And I know people don't want to hear

22:48

it and people don't want to hear all the yelling and screaming

22:50

about what's wrong with the Republican party. I get it. You

22:53

watch this or you listen to this because you want to

22:55

be entertained. But like there are some truths that need to

22:57

be told. And if they're not told, they're going to be

22:59

sweep, sleepwalking to losing again in November.

23:02

It's just reality. Like the reason you listen to ruthless is

23:04

we're going to tell you because we don't have a fucking

23:07

horse in the race. We got nothing to sell you on

23:09

it. Go donate to the campaigns you want to win. Go

23:11

do whatever you want to do. But there's no one else

23:13

that's going to actually tell you. We've

23:15

been practitioners in the field for 20 years.

23:18

I mean, we've known it. We know how this

23:20

works. The important thing is like, I mean,

23:22

Duncan breaks down the data. You see it right there

23:24

on the screen in front of you. The reason President

23:27

Trump got elected in 2016 is because they

23:29

had that operation in Arizona and now it's

23:31

getting to the point that Georgia's

23:33

a swing state. At some

23:35

point, if you're fed up with it, it's time

23:38

to get back to basics, block and tackle.

23:40

Yeah, you don't even need to look at the

23:42

numbers necessarily. Just look at what's happened. Right?

23:46

Let me give you one last stat

23:48

because it's not Arizona specific.

23:50

It's all these states. Any

23:53

state that allows mail-in or

23:55

early ballot has got the same

23:57

situation going. Nevada,

24:00

a state that we're familiar with in

24:02

2022, a total turnout of 54.7% despite

24:04

the fact

24:09

that there is a 100% universal mail-out

24:11

ballot available. So this is every

24:13

single voter in the state that's

24:16

registered gets a ballot sent to

24:18

their house. They're

24:20

like, oh, that's interesting. So

24:23

the total turnout was 54.7%. It's

24:26

just over half of those people actually figured

24:29

it out. Election day, 21%. Early,

24:34

27.8%. So

24:37

28%. Mail,

24:39

51%. Anybody

24:44

want to know, like, you gathered

24:46

a guess for any

24:48

extended period of time what it was that

24:51

the mail looked like at the end? Well,

24:54

it was roughly 70,000

24:57

vote margin for Democrats. Yeah.

25:01

Yeah, so if you don't find

25:03

a way to get people to vote

25:05

by mail as a Republican, you're giving

25:08

up a 30% turnout advantage through that

25:10

vote method. And we've talked about this

25:12

before, but you know what happened in

25:14

Nevada, Northern Nevada on election day in

25:16

2022? Snowstorm. A

25:18

fucking snowstorm. How

25:21

do you think that helps? With

25:23

your, oh, no, I can't. Let's

25:25

make sure they only vote on election day. Let's

25:28

make sure, I want to turn

25:30

early voters into election day voters. A

25:32

ballot that would have arrived a month

25:35

ago and counted from Northern Nevada.

25:37

So now daycare is canceled, school is

25:39

canceled, work

25:41

is tenable, and you've

25:44

got to figure out how

25:46

to vote in maybe one

25:48

of two windows of your

25:50

day. And through a snowstorm. With

25:53

kids. I mean, a lot

25:55

of people are going to say someone else is going

25:57

to vote. Let's be honest, if you're in a situation.

26:00

The kids are home from school. There's a snowstorm outside.

26:02

You don't want to risk driving through that. You know,

26:04

it's something else though I just think we have to

26:06

operate in the world as it exists. I mean I

26:09

Think you're being too kind, you know too kind.

26:11

You're being too kind What you're

26:13

what you're saying is though that they're

26:16

you're giving them the benefit of the doubt

26:18

by saying What

26:20

they're doing here is giving

26:23

you our preferential way

26:25

of voting, right? That's not

26:27

what they're doing. That's not what they're doing But

26:29

I what i'm saying is for the listener's sake

26:32

like I get it as a listener that you

26:34

could think Well shit, I

26:37

voted on election day every other election Why

26:39

isn't that the way the world can work

26:41

and it that'd be great if that's the

26:44

way the world worked But

26:46

why cut off your nose to spite your

26:48

face? It's like the world exists as it

26:50

is and there's absentee by mail. There's early

26:52

voting and if we lose those then we

26:54

lose We just lose let me

26:56

just say this concisely in my point

26:59

of view If

27:01

you are really into this and you actually

27:03

believe as I believe that

27:05

the future of our country Rests

27:09

upon its voters on

27:11

a biannual basis

27:15

And that we are not too far

27:17

away from losing our country altogether because

27:20

of The insanity

27:22

of our political process right now

27:25

If you believe that You

27:30

need to not Trust

27:33

hucksters and fucking idiots who

27:35

have never done anything I

27:38

mean literally nothing to put a vote

27:40

in the box and send your

27:42

money and send your effort and send your volunteers

27:44

and send your emotions

27:47

to try to empower

27:50

people like this Who

27:53

claim to have a conservative?

27:57

Turnout operation that doesn't exist It

27:59

does This does not exist.

28:02

It does not exist. Like

28:05

get involved in your local party.

28:07

I understand that those are fucked up,

28:09

too. I understand that.

28:12

Like I get it. But the reason they're fucked

28:14

up is because maybe you sent like your

28:16

money to this organization that's

28:19

telling a whole bunch of people to stop voting. Bro,

28:22

don't vote. What are you doing? Like a turn-

28:24

Right now, throw the dice and see what's happening

28:26

on the left. What? Are you

28:28

kidding? They're rational. It's like

28:30

don't let them know that you're registered

28:32

to vote because then they'll find out

28:34

how many votes. All right, so to

28:36

show up at like, you

28:38

know, if you show up at 5 p.m. They were spending $159 to send

28:41

out people to your mailbox. So

28:45

if we think you're dropping off the ballot like no, bro.

28:47

This is a bad idea. No, we

28:50

don't want to get this on the scoreboard. Yeah.

28:52

Why don't we roll the dice on the left?

28:54

Yeah, you have to vote. They're trying to see

28:56

where things are going. Unless unless you wait to

28:58

the last 30 minutes the polls

29:00

are open. You are a cuck rhino. Yeah.

29:03

Only true conservatives vote in the last 30

29:05

minute window so that no one knows how

29:07

many votes there are. But you're like, this

29:09

is where we are. If you remain in

29:11

line to vote, they'll know how many votes

29:13

they got to steal. So like- Unless

29:17

you were in danger of being caught

29:19

off at the voting line on

29:22

election day, cuck. Yeah. Cuck.

29:24

Cuck. Hey, uh, Wolf,

29:26

can you get me more verb? And I'm getting so

29:28

fucking depressed by this whole thing. I just- Dude, the

29:32

reason you listen to Ruthless is because we-

29:34

the only ones that give you this. Nobody

29:36

else does. I'll tell you what, if Jeff

29:39

Yass, if you're listening and you don't- if you don't

29:41

send me the TikTok money, I'm

29:44

gonna start selling the triangle wheel, bro. The

29:46

triangle wheel. I'm gonna be like, why

29:49

risk voting? The

29:51

triangle wheel! You

29:54

know, it turns out don't vote because

29:56

it won't count anyway was not an

29:58

awesome closing message in Georgia. in

30:00

2020 and I'm guessing it probably isn't gonna work

30:02

for us in 2024. Anyway, wrap

30:06

your head around some serious stuff. If you're

30:08

gonna contribute to get out the vote operations,

30:12

do some homework. Do some homework.

30:14

Make sure these are people who have done it

30:16

before. Anyway, coming up

30:18

on Ruthless, we're, we got

30:20

to talk a little bit about Hack Madness.

30:22

That's right. We do. We do. So, I

30:24

mean, we've got over a hundred thousand people

30:26

have already voted in Hack

30:28

Madness this year. I've got it pinned

30:31

to my Twitter profile at comfortably smug.

30:33

Folks, go out there and vote. I mean, this is

30:36

vicious. So, we've already had journalists. Have

30:38

you seen the journalists? Journal tweets? Journal's

30:40

are mad. Yeah, they're mad. Journal's are

30:42

like, I'm not a hack. I'm for

30:45

it all. That's the best. It's literally

30:47

the best part of it. The best?

30:49

Okay. So, a bump untagged himself. Oh.

30:54

And here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing

30:56

is, so he hasn't tweeted since. It's a one-sick.

30:58

It like, hurt his feelings, bro. But it's a

31:00

one-sick. Yeah, it hurt his feelings. And the thing

31:02

is that, like, if you, like, if someone said

31:04

that, you know, the sky is purple, you don't

31:06

care. But if someone tells you something that's true, you

31:09

don't want to hear, it hurts your feelings. And

31:11

the dude de-tagged himself and hasn't tweeted since. I mean,

31:13

how much do you get? Do you get a lot

31:15

of that? Dude, the amount of anger.

31:18

Remember, if you want to vote, you got to get on Twitter, and

31:20

you got to go to Comptably Smug. And

31:22

he posts all the polls. You vote

31:24

right there. This

31:26

is, we're airing Tuesday morning.

31:29

Is the first round done? The first round is

31:32

ending. Yeah. There's a lot of close matches. Like,

31:34

the voting continues, because this is a turning. This

31:36

is hack madness. Yeah. But the

31:38

amount of angry journals and journal

31:41

tears, I mean, that's why this

31:43

is the greatest tradition of all. Oh, God, it's

31:45

so good. I love every minute

31:47

of it. So we're going to pick back up on

31:49

the NBC thing with Rana, because I think that's just,

31:51

like, fun. So it's very

31:53

fun. It's just fun. We got to talk

31:55

about that. The Trump case is, you hurt.

31:59

One thing I observed, on the way into the studio is,

32:02

you know, there's a ruling on the Trump cases that,

32:06

where he didn't have to pay the whole 450, he had

32:08

to pay 150 or whatever. And like,

32:11

CNN, this is wall to wall. Yeah, they've

32:13

lost their minds. Like, never mind the fact

32:15

that, like, you got a Russia situation with

32:18

this terrorist attack and everything else. Yeah, like a

32:20

whole bunch of global news going on.

32:22

This is the only thing that they're caring about. But

32:24

we're going to give you a little update from that

32:27

standpoint. And then we've got

32:29

a ton of awesome variety

32:32

today. Yeah, I mean, really

32:34

good stuff, including some from your home

32:36

state, which should be good. I'm not

32:38

sure you're gonna love it. We'll get

32:40

to all of that right

32:42

after this. Americans

32:45

for Prosperity has done it again. You're gonna love

32:47

this. Know how Biden's been

32:50

running around the country bragging about Bidenomics? And

32:52

the media is doing stories on how the

32:55

president has embraced the term. Well, guess what?

32:57

Americans for Prosperity just bought

32:59

the bidenomics.com domain name. I

33:02

can't believe the White House didn't get this first. This

33:05

would be like Pepsi buying Coca

33:07

cola.com. It's hilarious. bidenomics.com

33:09

sets the record straight on the

33:12

failures of Joe Biden's economy, his

33:14

horrible record on cost of living,

33:16

wages, debt, deficits, energy

33:18

and more. I've been to the site. I

33:21

can tell you it's not what Joe Biden wants

33:23

Americans to see. AFP takes

33:25

Biden's own words and compares them to

33:28

the reality of everyday Americans. It's

33:30

packed with facts and stories that

33:32

prove Bidenomics is a costly failure.

33:35

Americans for Prosperity deserves a lot, a lot

33:37

of credit for this coup. Visit

33:40

bidenomics.com soon. The website Joe Biden doesn't

33:42

want you to see. All

33:45

right. So coming back with

33:47

the NBC situation. So

33:52

Politico has a headline,

33:54

The Elephant in the Room. NBC's

33:56

McDaniel hiring sparks on-air

33:59

criticism. from what of its

34:01

own. And what they're picking

34:03

up on was Chuck

34:05

Todd in particular, but apparently this

34:07

runs deep within the MSNBC orbit

34:11

of people concerned about the

34:13

fact that they've hired Ronna McDaniel to

34:16

be an animal. Here's the thing, if

34:18

we're being completely honest, they

34:20

have an issue with the Republican being hired. And

34:22

this is the thing that we've seen since the

34:25

beginning of time is that the

34:28

media, before it was quiet, where they were like,

34:30

we don't want to hire Republicans, we don't want

34:32

to allow any kind of

34:34

Republican to have a voice in major

34:37

publications. You've seen conservatives get

34:39

driven out of like the New York Times,

34:41

Barry Weiss, like there's many famous examples. Tom

34:43

Cotton writes an op-ed about sending the troops

34:45

during the summer of 2020 riots

34:48

and like heads rolled at the New York

34:50

Times for allowing him to be able to

34:52

say that. And then now we have the

34:55

governor of New York sending the National Guard

34:57

into the subways to search people's purses because

34:59

that's the problem. But anyways, they just do

35:01

not want a conservative to have a voice.

35:03

This is, it could be Ronna McDaniel, it

35:05

could be any conservative. They think it should

35:07

be like, this is an existential threat.

35:09

People, that's why they like created this whole thing

35:11

of this is harmful. Yeah. Because there's no real

35:14

harm being committed. They want you to connect, it's

35:16

like people could die. There's no

35:18

harm here. Yeah. Like it's ridiculous. That's what

35:20

this is. The evolution of it, Smuggin, I'm

35:22

so glad you gave the history there of

35:24

2020 and Tom Cotton, the

35:27

op-ed in the New York Times. The evolution

35:29

is I think is absolutely fascinating. I think

35:32

like by omission they kept Republicans

35:34

out of these organizations for the

35:36

longest time. But in 2020 we started to

35:38

see this like uprising of the

35:40

Slack channel. The junior employees were taking,

35:42

the inmates were running the asylum. Right?

35:44

And a lot of these liberal publications.

35:47

But now we have

35:49

like a public gatekeeping

35:52

of media as an

35:54

institution at places

35:56

like MSNBC. I mean think about the

35:58

facts, Smug. that your mere

36:00

presence on CNN a month ago led

36:03

to broad consternations from within CNN,

36:07

enough that they put it in their newsletter. Did they

36:09

really? Oh, yeah. To bad

36:11

talk Dana for having

36:13

us- Stay mad,

36:15

stay mad. Stay mad. I

36:18

love you. It's like

36:21

you always say, stay mad in the face of our

36:23

success. That's it. But I think that

36:25

is an evolution of the

36:27

entire thing that now you have on-air personality

36:29

and now with these shit talking their own

36:31

organization, it feels like it's a real escalation.

36:33

But that's the thing is like- This is

36:35

a public struggle session because Chuck

36:37

Todd knows that like the kids in the

36:40

Slack channel will fucking kill him. He doesn't

36:42

like publicly bow down and say- No, I

36:44

mean he's like building chits from within. Totally.

36:47

Let's give clip two just to give you a little sense of what we're

36:49

talking about here. The elephant in the room.

36:51

Yeah. I think our bosses owe you an apology

36:53

for putting you in this situation because

36:56

I don't know what to believe. She is now

36:58

a paid contributor by NBC News. Well, I have

37:00

no idea whether any answer she gave to you

37:03

was because she didn't want to mess up her

37:05

contract. She

37:08

wants us to believe that she was speaking for the RNC

37:10

when the RNC was made. So

37:13

she has credibility issues that she still has

37:15

to deal with. Is she speaking

37:18

for herself or is she speaking on behalf of who's

37:20

paying her? Once

37:22

at the RNC she did say that, hey, I'm speaking for the

37:24

party. I get that. I'm

37:26

part of the job. So what

37:30

about here? I will say this. I

37:32

think your interview did a good job

37:34

of exposing, I think, many of the contradictions. And

37:37

look, there's a reason why there's a lot of journalists

37:39

at NBC News uncomfortable with this because many

37:42

of our professional dealings with the RNC over the last six

37:44

years have been met with gaslighting, have

37:47

been met with character assassination. Okay.

37:50

They act like they just hired Attila the Hun. I

37:55

think our bosses should apologize you for putting you

37:57

in that dangerous position. Get the fuck out of

37:59

here, bro. So dangerous. I mean, you're doing

38:01

an interview. Doing their job is

38:03

the greatest threat a journal

38:05

faces on a daily basis. Imagine

38:08

a national network

38:11

television audience being

38:13

subjected to the hiring of

38:16

a serious operative on

38:18

one side or the other. I mean, I don't

38:20

know what they would do with themselves. Can we

38:22

put up graphic three real quick? Oh, wow. I

38:25

think that's Jen Saki. Oh, my God. Talking

38:27

to Chuck Todd and then like

38:29

a month later, the co-workers. Oh,

38:32

it's crazy. I

38:34

can't. Did you

38:36

guys remember him? Do you get to about that? I

38:38

want to apologize on behalf of embassy bosses for forcing

38:40

Chuck Todd in this dangerous situation. The

38:43

thing is that like, this is

38:45

all such bullshit. This is all

38:47

just like, the covert of like,

38:49

we don't hire conservatives has now

38:51

become overt because of the struggle

38:53

session. The young people will come

38:55

after them. So like, if they're not over of

38:57

like, I want to apologize to all the kids

38:59

in slack for allowing this person on the air.

39:02

I know if I don't do this, you're all

39:04

going to call me a boomer and try to

39:06

get me fired. Like this is absolutely sad. It's

39:08

pathetic. If you're a serious person

39:10

going out there like this and letting those

39:12

zoomers bully you into this shit. What

39:16

pathetic honestly, there was a

39:18

time when I feel like

39:20

a million years old when I say stuff like

39:22

this, but there was a time

39:24

when we started where you knew like

39:26

everything skewed left. Now

39:29

it's fine. But

39:31

in the host's point

39:33

of view and in the producer's point of

39:35

view and the executive's point of view, they're

39:37

going to ask you some tough questions, but

39:39

they ultimately trusted their audience. They

39:42

trusted their audience to

39:44

give their verdict

39:47

ultimately on what the

39:49

content of the interview might be. No

39:51

matter if it was Dick Cheney

39:54

or George W. Bush

39:56

or Chuck Grassley or, you know,

39:59

whomever. I mean, it

40:01

was incumbent upon the audience

40:05

to hear the questions

40:07

and the answers and make a verdict

40:09

about whether they thought the questions were

40:11

unfair or whether the

40:14

interviewer responded or whether

40:16

they were, I mean, it was like

40:19

part of the process was just

40:21

providing the audience. It

40:23

was actually just, it was about the

40:25

audience. Now it's not about the audience.

40:27

And I think part of that is because legacy

40:30

media has lost a significant amount of

40:32

their credibility in audience. And so their

40:34

decision at that point is not how

40:37

do we regain credibility to

40:39

regain audience. Their point is how

40:42

can we have such strict

40:44

control on what this audience

40:46

is served so they're completely

40:48

dependent on us and we

40:50

can scare them that if you listen to

40:52

anyone other than us in our viewpoint, it's

40:54

dangerous. Which is amazing, but it's a perfect

40:56

segue. Perfect segue to

40:58

clip three. Spagat, if we can line

41:01

up clip three here, I think that

41:03

illustrates his point perfectly. Daniel.

41:06

Well, she was on Sunday's

41:08

Meet the Press. It was her first

41:10

appearance since NBC News hired her as

41:13

a political analyst. I

41:15

know you won't be surprised to know

41:17

that we've been inundated with calls this

41:19

weekend, as have most

41:22

people connected with this network about

41:24

NBC's decision to hire her. We

41:27

learned about the hiring when we read about it

41:29

in the press on Friday. We

41:31

weren't asked our opinion of the hiring, but if we

41:34

were, we would have strongly objected to it. Brother,

41:40

what would you have done? What would you have done?

41:42

That's the thing is that what we have done, Joe.

41:44

Here's the thing is, Joe, if you had any poll,

41:46

if you had any poll, you could stop them right

41:48

now, dude. Yeah.

41:51

The point is the

41:53

same people who day

41:56

in and day out had

41:59

this fun. little struggle session with Donald

42:01

Trump where they talked about all the things

42:03

that were wrong with the Republican Party.

42:05

Meekle was giggling, dude, the whole way through. Trump

42:08

was patting her on the head and they were doing...

42:11

The only thing they lived for was

42:13

the day-to-day Donald Trump calling in 2016. All

42:17

of a sudden, politics

42:20

changed on that, guys. And

42:22

now, Ronald McDaniel, who was in

42:24

charge of running a

42:26

political party that they object to, oh

42:30

my gosh, if they'd asked our opinion. If

42:33

they'd only asked our opinion. That's also funny he

42:35

admits that. He's like, so here's the thing is,

42:37

no one here gives a shit what I think,

42:39

guys. I mean, dude.

42:43

Morning Joe. That should have been

42:45

the car on the TV. Morning Joe. No one

42:47

gives a shit what I think here. Well, quite

42:50

obviously. I mean, listen. Sounds like they got a

42:52

good point. I'll give the executives great credit in

42:54

this regard. That's right. They

42:57

have actually. Shout

43:00

out to the executives in not

43:02

consulting Joe and Meekle on your

43:04

hiring decisions of a Republican. I

43:06

mean, I can't get over Morning

43:08

Joe's like, I walk around

43:10

the offices of NBC and everyone better ask

43:13

me my opinion on shit or not make

43:15

a move with... He's like, Morning Joe was

43:17

not consulted, bro. I mean,

43:20

what's so funny about this. They're

43:25

going to say, we hire Republicans.

43:28

We hire Republicans, we try to provide a balanced point

43:30

of view. Okay. All

43:33

right. What Republicans see hired? They're like, well, we've

43:36

hired a former RNC

43:38

chairperson himself. Michael Steele,

43:41

right? Michael Steele. Sure.

43:43

Oh, okay. All right. There's

43:45

precedent in that. There's a difference between McDaniel

43:48

and Michael Steele. Well,

43:51

I don't know. How did they vote

43:53

in 2020? Michael

43:55

Steele endorsed Joe

43:58

Biden. October.

44:02

Of twenty twenty year. Think

44:05

about. That for a thats the

44:07

republican, that's the Republicans. Saturday built

44:09

the lane steadily put out the

44:11

only voices they want allowed. Is.

44:15

What? They can control and push their

44:17

audience of like yes only Only We

44:19

can provide you with this information. Journalists

44:21

Outside voices, Trust in Us Trusted Joe

44:24

Biden. Just don't listen to anyone else.

44:26

Like that's the thing is. what do they think

44:28

is? So dangerous about hearing

44:30

something from someone. That.

44:33

Disagrees where I think that's a problem.

44:35

I think it goes to a broader

44:37

point in that is like legacy media

44:40

corporate media only accept Republican this been

44:42

totally cowed vs like will look at

44:44

look at look at all that contributors

44:46

who likes Washington Post New York Times

44:49

yeah he has it room and so

44:51

like a complete and writer for one

44:53

N B C news all the legacy

44:56

organizations just look at the Republican side.

44:59

I'm a new make a decision whether or not

45:01

you think that like if if. Ten

45:03

to fifteen percent of those people

45:05

actually voted for Donald Trump. Or.

45:08

The bone away idea. For. Own

45:10

away the it's It's why I think

45:12

on the show we've had such like

45:14

and like a. Criticism

45:16

of the Never Trump movement

45:19

is I think. Like.

45:21

The media exposes it for what it

45:23

is in so many ways, and if

45:26

you want to disagree with Donald Trump,

45:28

I have no problem with that at

45:30

all. Birds in the context of the

45:33

media, exposes itself as just it greste

45:35

where Republicans. just use the

45:37

political capital that they had being

45:39

republicans and turncoat on everything we've

45:41

believed in our entire lives in

45:43

order to get a contract at

45:45

a place like msnbc and that

45:48

is really the rump bike like

45:50

that's the only sort of republican

45:52

dog sat is somebody who will

45:54

go into that struggle session smog

45:56

and say i give up all

45:58

the beliefs i pretended to for

46:00

my entire career, I will go on your

46:02

station every night and talk about how Republicans

46:05

are wrong. That's it. That's

46:07

it. And that's the way that they operate,

46:09

which is incredible that we're

46:11

in a situation where they actually are doing this

46:14

out loud. They're doing it out loud.

46:16

They're telling us, like, you know

46:18

what, 50, at this point, like 54% of

46:21

the American public, we don't need to hear it.

46:23

No, write them off. Write them off completely. We

46:25

don't need to hear from you. It's

46:27

all good. It's all good. Anyway,

46:31

the whole thing has been absolutely

46:34

hysterical from my perspective, because it

46:36

is yet another example of how

46:38

they're unmasking themselves. The

46:42

media is great at distracting you

46:44

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46:46

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46:48

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46:51

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46:53

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a gold. Aren't

48:05

so good? The trump thing? That

48:08

Trump saying is very interesting.

48:10

Report: a four hundred and

48:12

fifty four million dollar judgment.

48:14

Against him. last month's the

48:17

bond was slashed his by

48:19

more than half. In the

48:21

appeals court ruling yesterday, appeals

48:23

court. And.

48:26

I'm sorry, don't have that the

48:28

source on this, but I know

48:30

to be true so you can

48:32

count on us for this dressing

48:34

room. Yeah, you just keep a

48:36

views around us and I was

48:38

originally from the others must pay

48:40

a hundred and seventy five million

48:42

dollars within the next ten days.

48:44

Now that may sound like an

48:46

absolutely ridiculous judgment in of itself,

48:48

but compared to Born in Sixty

48:50

four million dollars videoed. Yesterday.

48:55

It's a pretty good deal for him. Yeah,

48:57

and what it means is that he

48:59

can actually put that bond forward and

49:01

actually appeal the hearing in the hopes

49:03

of overturning it, Not have to pay

49:06

the whole summary judgment. And

49:08

so to me this is interesting for numbers.

49:10

And first off this is that the original

49:13

amount was more than the costs of the

49:15

Louisiana Purchase. It's more than Bernie made off

49:17

who ran the greatest ponzi scheme of all

49:19

time rod from people. With.

49:21

Arch meanwhile Donald Trump who all

49:24

the banks he borrowed from, agreed

49:26

with his valuations and he paid

49:28

back every penny and they said.

49:31

In. Any documentation cel submitted it to the

49:33

court the banks are they want to do

49:35

more business with Trump as as he paid

49:37

us back we were completely co this we

49:39

have no issue. The.

49:41

Craziest part of this is there. Like

49:44

will he? Ah have. Decided.

49:47

The amounts on his properties. They

49:49

were fraudulent. They're not worth that

49:51

much. And then. When.

49:53

The time comes for them to try to take

49:55

for her fifty million from him. They

49:58

want to take those properties because I like that. We're.

50:00

For. Fifty years earlier and exit like

50:03

the New York Times itself puts out

50:05

this like notification I got this morning

50:07

was like Donald Trump was pay for

50:09

him. Fifty four million can a first

50:11

for to say the will be like

50:13

experts say ah assigns Isis properties is

50:15

almost impossible. Oh. Is

50:18

it because as as a citizen of a

50:20

court date up your i mean have any

50:22

worse. In the judge said that moral Others

50:24

was eighteen million. Set. Against

50:26

I don't care. What you think about down from.

50:28

This. Yeah, I don't care if you're

50:30

gonna vote for Donald Trump. Were talking

50:33

about the most ridiculous thing of all

50:35

time. since I've won a report definitively

50:37

saying that is overvalued his estate and

50:39

the other you've got a mainstream media.

50:42

Everybody else being like Alamo is where

50:44

the law but we can't possibly. Yeah,

50:46

we can't possibly come to a conclusion.

50:48

but was there one hundred percent sure

50:50

of is that four hundred and sixty

50:53

four million dollars is the correct amount

50:55

of coins on this may think about

50:57

how absurd that is and. I've watched

50:59

so much of the cover to this

51:01

and you know what shocked me in

51:03

it? Is. The. Good.

51:06

We with which. The

51:08

liberal commentators enjoy talking about it. Yeah,

51:10

knowing it's it's bullshit. Like knowing that

51:13

that amount of money advertising same thing

51:15

and and they relish the fact that

51:17

the rape of the pub like punish

51:19

the political become. That's the thing In

51:22

a way that is that is. It

51:24

is before dinner parties united by a

51:26

single ideology and you're wondering, why is

51:29

it that you see these protesters that

51:31

say like you know, queers for Palestine

51:33

or whatever Their party has no belief

51:35

system other than uniting to punish our

51:38

enemies. Using the government's authority that they're

51:40

like we votes. Like the recently Tisa

51:42

James. Won. The elections with us

51:44

he said. point blank i will use this

51:46

office to go after donald trump's like they

51:48

can actually defend it on it's merits by

51:51

august just punishment at all one hundred percent

51:53

they cannot do that but they enjoy it

51:55

so much that they don't care and that's

51:57

the thing i think everybody should be Very

52:00

nervous about that like that is law in

52:02

this country right now and I've been like

52:04

as a person on this podcast Go

52:07

back and check the receipts I've been very critical

52:09

of Donald Trump and a number of issues with

52:11

these court cases and everything But this one I

52:14

feel like it's pretty cut and dry that

52:16

they've they went way way way too far

52:18

Well, I look I think we've been you

52:20

and I at least have been united on

52:22

one point Which is like we have to

52:24

deal with all this shit Yeah, like

52:27

what why are we dealing with as it

52:29

like you you believe in a right of

52:31

center country or you don't and

52:34

What makes it easier to make

52:37

a right of center country and

52:39

this has always made it harder but

52:43

this is a real thing like that's

52:45

happening in our country and

52:47

like There's no question. This

52:49

New York thing is completely insane. It's insanity

52:51

It's complete insane and the thing is that

52:54

this is the model that the

52:56

Democrats always See what

52:58

they can use and they never

53:00

quit using it like this is going forward

53:02

any Republican that they can sue and try

53:04

to take every penny from for having the

53:06

gall of Disagreeing with them.

53:08

They will do it. They want to do it.

53:11

That's the thing That's like they relish they love

53:13

it, dude That's all they want is to have

53:15

someone tell them I will punish your enemies using

53:17

the force of government if you vote for me

53:19

Because that's all they've ever wanted. These are totalitarian

53:21

and these are the people that call us fascist.

53:24

Yeah, exactly Amazing deal. Well,

53:26

I mean just to keep with that if

53:28

you want to transition back to the other

53:30

state case Which by the

53:32

way, the best thing that Trump's got going for him

53:35

is the fact that these two State

53:37

cases are going on like

53:39

the New York situation Everybody

53:42

can see through his complete catastrophe

53:44

the Georgia situation with Fannie.

53:47

Yeah If

53:50

that colors all of his legal liability, most people

53:53

are gonna come to the conclusion that like, all

53:55

right There's nothing to see here. These people are

53:57

absolute clowns. Let's hear from Fannie

54:00

Include for. All

54:03

my that we're going on. We were right, No response

54:05

it brings. we were sale doing the case in the

54:07

way that it needed to be done on out. I

54:09

feel like we've been slow down at all. Mom, I

54:11

do think that there are efforts is a slowdown, a

54:13

stream of the drain. It's coming. More.

54:15

The train is com. Unclear

54:19

of further that had to do

54:21

with a lead prosecutor Trump. My

54:29

Lord. Smokers

54:34

have preferred Chevrolet you nobody Snow I

54:36

I I heard you loud and clear

54:38

sir. Ah yeah,

54:40

I mean look cool with with which

54:42

he said james in New York She's

54:44

laid bare how political that prosecution was

54:46

by the fact that she was tweeting

54:48

out every single day like the amount

54:51

of interest owed by Donald Trump and

54:53

his judgment in that case In a

54:55

feels like she's in competition with Sandy

54:57

Willis. To be as

54:59

politically possible. Am.

55:03

You know if you if you went back. For.

55:07

Five months to all the polling on this

55:09

issue like if Donald Trump's convicted x, y

55:11

and Z on these cases and all the

55:13

sort of thing you saw like a big

55:16

drop off of Donald Trump's vote share at

55:18

it as convicted in these in these cases

55:20

and what we see now. Through.

55:22

The prosecution of the New York case

55:24

and and this Georgia case is how

55:26

those numbers have shrunk. Mean I was

55:29

to because you're watch Yandle I'm on

55:31

Tv yeah do their own worst enemy

55:33

This lady. This lady. Is.

55:35

Literally determining whether or not.

55:38

You're. Presidential nominee.

55:41

Is a capable. Nominee.

55:44

Or a criminal defendant and like you look

55:46

at that near like. are

55:49

at minute sake is workforce center thing

55:51

is is you know these cases initially

55:53

like duncan said early point on was

55:55

an independent voters like oh she's convict

55:58

of a thing on off Things

56:00

are changing. So decision desk

56:02

had a poll that's an aggregate of polls across

56:04

the country for the first time in their tracking.

56:07

Donald Trump now has a positive, a

56:10

net positive approval among voters. Yeah.

56:13

Because they're seeing the absurdity of this.

56:15

Like the Democrats, yes, they want to

56:17

use the state's power to punish their enemies,

56:19

but they find the biggest idiots they have

56:21

to try to pull it off. Now, the

56:23

other side of this coin is

56:26

that on the same day yesterday, Trump

56:29

was also given a trial date

56:31

to deal with the hush money case in New

56:34

York. Yeah. On

56:36

April 15th, which is, you recall when

56:38

you had Andrew McCarthy on the program,

56:41

he said this case is completely

56:43

ridiculous. Feds threw it out

56:45

and they wouldn't deal with it. State picked

56:47

it up. They tried to resurrect

56:50

it. They ultimately filed charges. And

56:53

we said, well, it's so ridiculous. Like, is there any

56:55

chance that it actually goes anywhere? He's like, oh, yeah,

56:57

I think they're probably going to be a conviction. Yeah.

57:00

And I mean, therein lies the goal here for

57:03

Democrats. Like, it's not about

57:05

putting Donald Trump behind bars or

57:07

any of that sort of stuff.

57:10

I think ultimately they're going, all of this is to be able to

57:12

– and I've said this previously on the show. It's like, they just

57:14

want to be able to run the ad, the

57:16

ad that says convicted felon Donald Trump.

57:20

And by hook or by crook, they're going to get one

57:22

of these trials through to conviction in

57:24

order to do that. Well, this one – so

57:26

this one, unlike everything else we've been talking about

57:28

here, has – well,

57:32

it's going to come to some kind of

57:34

a conclusion before election

57:36

day. Right. I mean,

57:38

everything in the federal issue, the

57:40

Jack Smith stuff, it's

57:43

hooked to the presidential immunity case

57:45

in the Supreme Court, likely

57:48

not to be any time

57:50

before June. Then

57:52

you get into a gray area about whether

57:54

DOJ can even proceed. And like

57:56

the most serious cases against Donald Trump

57:58

are more – than likely

58:01

can be pushed post-election. This

58:03

is probably the one opportunity that

58:05

Democrats have, right? Here's

58:08

the thing is, I think what's

58:10

really happened in the minds of a lot

58:12

of voters is once they see the absurdity

58:14

of these cases that have happened so far,

58:17

that they've seen how ridiculous in your cases

58:19

they've seen what a circus Fannie

58:21

Willis turned the case in

58:23

Georgia into, I think it's all melded

58:26

into one big joke in their heads

58:28

of they're like, well, this is just

58:30

like absolute political dumb bullshit. There's

58:32

zero merit in any of it. I think it

58:34

depends, Smug, like Hush Money case in New York

58:37

or this circus in Georgia

58:39

with Fannie Willis is one thing.

58:43

But if they get into the Jan 6

58:46

case or the Mar-a-Lago-Docs case, which I

58:48

agree, Holmes, like the timeline is not looking

58:50

super good for them to actually be able

58:52

to get to trial here, but

58:55

they are hearing that immunity claim

58:57

in April before the

58:59

United States Supreme Court. And I do expect them

59:02

to rule against Donald Trump in that case.

59:04

And you could see a scenario where they

59:06

do get to that federal Jan 6 case

59:08

or something over the summer, perhaps, maybe not.

59:11

But I only say that to say

59:15

the toughest thing with Donald Trump is he's his

59:17

own worst enemy in all these things. And if

59:21

it's in the news and they're trying to push for it, even if it

59:23

doesn't go to trial, if Donald

59:26

Trump tries to make this election a referendum on Jan

59:28

6 and all of those sorts of things,

59:30

it's a loser. It's a losing message. And

59:32

I hope his campaign realizes that. Oh, they

59:34

do. And

59:37

that's like the, I think that's the other

59:39

thing that's sort of out there. Right? Yeah.

59:42

I will also say this to my people

59:45

who, look,

59:47

have got a variety of

59:49

opinions on Donald Trump. Are

59:52

conservatives to their core and

59:55

hate Joe Biden. What

59:58

we think is

1:00:00

totally unprecedented at the moment

1:00:04

but may suit your sort of

1:00:07

pro-elections as a voter.

1:00:11

Ultimately are something that Democrats

1:00:13

build upon and what I'll say

1:00:16

is like you remember Mitt

1:00:18

Romney's Binders Full of Women? Yeah.

1:00:22

Well that was how they ran three straight

1:00:24

election cycles as trying to

1:00:26

brand men

1:00:29

with daughters women. All

1:00:32

kinds of Republican candidates are somehow

1:00:35

insufficiently committed to the rights of

1:00:37

women across this country as somehow

1:00:40

a downstream

1:00:42

effect from a binders full

1:00:45

of women which of course in retrospect

1:00:47

is hilarious given Mitt Romney is like

1:00:49

half a Democrat at this point. You

1:00:51

know what I mean? Yeah. What

1:00:54

you're dealing with is Donald Trump it may not

1:00:56

be your cup of tea, you may not have

1:00:59

voted for him in the primary, you may not

1:01:02

ultimately get there in the general, I hope you

1:01:04

do, but what

1:01:09

is happening here is

1:01:11

something that will be replicated on

1:01:14

any Republican that ever has

1:01:17

the capacity of reaching

1:01:19

the White House. It just

1:01:22

is. This is the game plan. It

1:01:24

just is and

1:01:26

like take it from a guy who's been on the

1:01:28

inside for a long time. I'm just

1:01:30

telling you you may think that

1:01:33

this is like a one-off weird

1:01:35

eight-year period of time where we're

1:01:37

dealing with some weird stuff that we'll never

1:01:40

deal with again and

1:01:43

you've got a guy who's just

1:01:46

not, he can't fit a

1:01:49

category. Yeah, but you can't put

1:01:51

the genie back in the bottle. But ultimately

1:01:53

what they're doing here is something they're going

1:01:55

to try to do throughout With

1:01:58

any Republican that's ever. Coming

1:02:00

after him. Period.

1:02:03

He already saw it a little bit in the

1:02:05

primary. When people were like the are Rhonda Santas

1:02:07

made the run the people thought they there was

1:02:09

a chance that he could beat Donald Trump in

1:02:11

there are like descent is worse than Trump generally.

1:02:14

Already started the Never that yeah. So.

1:02:16

It's so like that should give you

1:02:19

an indication of why it is it.

1:02:21

There are certain places you oughta put

1:02:23

a marker down. Go out Here says

1:02:25

guys your cup of tea or not.

1:02:28

But. You oughta know when

1:02:31

somebody is using like low lost

1:02:33

everything. Is Real. Yeah. It's

1:02:36

real. In It's Happening

1:02:38

the New York in Georgia case are

1:02:40

perfect examples of I don't know because

1:02:42

I don't even see any the evidence

1:02:44

and I don't know how that case

1:02:46

plays out on the said size when

1:02:48

it deals with a particular the documents,

1:02:50

cases what I'm talking about. I

1:02:53

think that the Jan Six passes political

1:02:55

in and of itself. But.

1:02:59

Do. State cases. A

1:03:02

perfect example of just like your

1:03:04

weaponizing law detracts from was not

1:03:06

running for president is the evening

1:03:08

putting. Really think that you be

1:03:11

facing charges? no. No.

1:03:14

Of course not. No, Like?

1:03:16

of course not. But.

1:03:18

He is. In that should

1:03:20

concern you a lot and the and

1:03:22

they would do to to everybody and

1:03:24

and just a tie it back to

1:03:26

our earlier story on on Msnbc. It

1:03:29

doesn't. Matter if Msnbc

1:03:32

hires. Bottom. Mcdaniel

1:03:34

or. Steve Bannon.

1:03:37

They would have the exact same reaction.

1:03:39

Yup yup. and that's the thing that

1:03:41

your get your alluding to there is

1:03:43

like does matter if he was Donald

1:03:45

Trump or Mitt Romney did have the

1:03:47

exact same reaction is is because it's

1:03:50

all about just gate keeping. What's allowed

1:03:52

and what's allowed. Is. only liberal

1:03:54

yep yep find it sad is

1:03:56

that that's a good way of

1:03:58

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1:05:50

segment... Oh, dude, this is for you. Yes. Can

1:05:54

we get straight to the empty thing? No, no, we're doing... Oh,

1:05:56

oh, yeah, the first one, sure. Yeah. So

1:06:01

according to New York Post,

1:06:03

Apple's green bubble Android texts

1:06:05

fuel social stigma, DOJ

1:06:08

claims in a landmark suit. The

1:06:11

Justice Department called out Apple for

1:06:13

afflicting Android smartphone users

1:06:15

with the dreaded green bubble in

1:06:18

text messages, calling it

1:06:20

a mark of social stigma, exclusion,

1:06:23

and blame as a

1:06:25

part of its landmark antitrust case against

1:06:27

the iPhone maker. I

1:06:31

want to know, because we've complained

1:06:33

about this at great length here on the

1:06:35

Variety Program, does

1:06:37

the green bubble bother you? No, so to

1:06:39

me- Is it a social stigma? I'm a

1:06:41

proud Android user. It's

1:06:43

a sign of masculinity. iPhones are

1:06:46

for women and children. That's

1:06:48

what they're designed for. That's why you can't do

1:06:50

anything serious with the thing. It's

1:06:52

a device to go on TikTok

1:06:54

and to share your kids' photos

1:06:56

on Facebook. It's

1:06:58

a child's device. So that's why

1:07:00

you get an Android. You

1:07:03

see that green bubble, it's like, uh-oh, the

1:07:05

dude has entered the chat. This guy's gonna

1:07:07

drop some hot takes, maybe the feds will come knock.

1:07:09

Is this a social justice DOJ move? I

1:07:15

think it's part of- So Apple

1:07:17

is rightly so getting a lot

1:07:19

of antitrust lawsuits because- Yeah, but

1:07:21

this one seems amazing. That's the thing.

1:07:23

There were apps that came out

1:07:25

that allowed people on

1:07:27

Android and Apple to

1:07:30

chat without having any kind of

1:07:32

a barrier between them. I'm

1:07:35

not talking about WhatsApp. What's the one that you guys

1:07:37

use, iChat or something? I'm

1:07:40

not telling you. It's

1:07:43

very obviously not telling you. It's a child-looking

1:07:45

app, right? So I mean, I've

1:07:47

tried twice in recent years

1:07:49

to buy the iPhone and use it, and it

1:07:51

is a child's phone. It's like a Fisher Price

1:07:53

phone, essentially, right? All the logos,

1:07:56

all the icons, all of it looks like some

1:07:58

children's shit, right? some C and

1:08:00

say like you know old McDonald's you got

1:08:03

a little pig and a speaking spell yeah

1:08:05

it's a joke of a phone dude like

1:08:07

he said C and say well he

1:08:10

doesn't have kids yet but someday he's

1:08:12

going to learn but Joey Joey

1:08:14

and Henry have an old-school speaking spell like

1:08:16

for example actually you know what I gotta

1:08:18

be honest kind of sucks he

1:08:21

can spell everybody thought was great it

1:08:24

sucks it sucks compared to what

1:08:26

we have now for kids and

1:08:28

I know everyone's gonna be like

1:08:30

oh you millennial parent fuck you

1:08:33

they're soft he can sell sucks

1:08:36

every can you think of so many so many

1:08:38

greater ways to learn I I gotta correct the

1:08:40

record real quick smug though on what you said

1:08:43

originally and then

1:08:45

I think I'll say is iPhone users become iPad

1:08:47

parents it's a gateway go write it are you

1:08:50

calling me an I'm just saying iPhone users turn

1:08:52

an iPad parent using a gateway but you never

1:08:54

you're on the plane and the kids freaking out

1:08:56

and he even has the iPad and parents like

1:08:59

I don't know what to do this is a moment

1:09:01

where a parent would be needed but you already gave

1:09:03

him the iPad all my training

1:09:05

has been expended on this moment it's like

1:09:07

you've got an iPhone don't you buddy because

1:09:09

the kids got my pad okay listen here

1:09:11

Android owner is the one who's hit a

1:09:13

shut up and like asleep okay so I

1:09:16

have an iPhone do you consider me an

1:09:18

iPad parent I don't know man you

1:09:20

don't know I don't know your children

1:09:24

are very well-behaved I'm gonna tell my

1:09:26

fucking way you're never invited over the

1:09:28

house anymore we can run the record

1:09:30

wolf can play the video I bet

1:09:32

your kids are incredibly well behaved Wow

1:09:34

okay so he has been consistent now

1:09:36

he has because I send you the

1:09:38

Android text okay like the household has

1:09:40

been blessed I gotta give the listeners

1:09:42

a peek behind the curtain here and

1:09:44

that is that we have a group

1:09:46

chat obviously yeah right and so me

1:09:48

and Ashbrook and homes are all iPhone

1:09:50

users and you're an Android user and

1:09:52

and what I find most

1:09:54

disruptive to your usage of the

1:09:57

Android is the reactions I think

1:09:59

the reaction is the most

1:10:01

absurd thing that happens.

1:10:03

It's like we're having a normal conversation,

1:10:05

we're replying to each other,

1:10:07

and we're doing thumbs

1:10:09

up reactions to people as we're

1:10:12

in the text. But like when

1:10:14

you thumbs up somebody else's text,

1:10:18

I get a fucking paragraph in there

1:10:20

that says comfortably smug, liked, and then

1:10:22

it reads the whole statement of the

1:10:24

preview of that. Because here's the thing,

1:10:26

it's for free, I got a narrator

1:10:28

on my side. I

1:10:30

got a sinographer. Hold on. I'm

1:10:34

generally on your side on this, Duncan,

1:10:36

but I feel like that maybe proves

1:10:38

the DOJ's. The DOJ's

1:10:40

right. Why is the DOJ right?

1:10:42

So the iPhones are for women and

1:10:45

children. There's a stigma involved. I don't

1:10:47

think there's a stigma involved. Well, there's

1:10:49

certainly a stigma as far as I'm

1:10:51

concerned. I'm inconvenienced, but I

1:10:53

don't think there needs to be a stigma

1:10:55

on Smugs. Well, I

1:10:57

stigmatize him. He clearly

1:10:59

is not stigmatized. I stigmatize all

1:11:02

iPhone users. He's

1:11:04

instigmatizable. I'll tell you what, when

1:11:06

someone on your plane is being

1:11:08

obnoxious, 90% chance they have an

1:11:10

iPhone out. 90%, try it

1:11:13

folks, try it. Wait, are you kidding me?

1:11:15

I guarantee it. 90% chance that you're using

1:11:17

your phone. 90% chance,

1:11:19

I'm telling you. It's just bad people. Well, if

1:11:22

you're being obnoxious and you're naming not

1:11:25

comfortably smug. Unbelievable.

1:11:29

All right, so this

1:11:31

is interesting. Okay. Because you

1:11:33

recall, like when we started the show, we

1:11:37

said our biggest thing was to try to

1:11:39

put like the dorks that involve themselves in

1:11:42

the political conversation in a

1:11:44

locker. Stuff in the lockers. Because

1:11:47

that's like what needed to

1:11:49

happen. And I think we've done a

1:11:51

pretty good job, by the way. There's a lot of dorks still out

1:11:53

there. And I think we did that at the top of the show.

1:11:56

Well, in Technicolor. Yeah,

1:11:59

yeah. But it

1:12:01

turns out, according to the Guardian, playground bullies

1:12:03

do prosper. And

1:12:06

they go on to earn more in middle

1:12:08

age. Yeah. So listen to that. Children

1:12:11

who displayed aggressive behavior at school, such

1:12:13

as bullying or temper outbursts, are likely

1:12:15

to earn more in middle age, according

1:12:17

to a five decade, five decades. They

1:12:19

went through the data. That

1:12:22

up ends the maxim that bullies do

1:12:24

not prosper. They also say

1:12:26

that they're likely to have a higher job

1:12:28

satisfaction and to be more desirable in jobs,

1:12:31

say researchers from the Institute of Social

1:12:33

and Economic Research at the University of

1:12:35

Essex. Yeah. I

1:12:39

agree. Okay. So look,

1:12:43

I think at this time is incumbent upon

1:12:45

us who have advocating

1:12:48

for bullying in certain aspects to

1:12:50

qualify what we

1:12:52

mean by that. I

1:12:55

think if you're talking about kids that are just like running

1:12:57

through and just like forearming,

1:13:02

and just like being assholes generally

1:13:05

without purpose or reservation,

1:13:08

I'm not sure that this is true. And I'm

1:13:10

not sure this applies. So I have

1:13:12

a very simple rule of thumb because I've historically

1:13:15

been very pro-bullying. I

1:13:17

think it builds character. But you're going to qualify. There's always a

1:13:19

pecking order in life. So you got to teach your kids, you

1:13:21

got to be at the top of it. But

1:13:24

here's how it works. You either punch up or

1:13:26

you punch at your level, you never punch down.

1:13:29

You never punch down. And

1:13:31

also, look, you never

1:13:33

start the fight. But

1:13:35

you end it. You end it. Yeah. And

1:13:39

I think a really important part

1:13:41

of the decay of American society.

1:13:43

Yes. You're getting to me now. This is

1:13:46

my favorite thing, yes. Is this

1:13:48

idea that everybody's a victim. And

1:13:50

it doesn't matter. It's left, right, and center. Every

1:13:53

single person is like, well, look what somebody's

1:13:55

doing to me. And

1:13:57

the one thing I teach my kids is there's nothing that

1:13:59

can... be done to you if you don't

1:14:01

allow it. And

1:14:04

this strikes me as a

1:14:06

perfect example of this in that

1:14:08

what you would qualify as a

1:14:10

playground bully might just

1:14:13

be somebody who's watched somebody kick

1:14:15

somebody else's ass day in, day

1:14:17

out. I've been like, you know what? I've

1:14:19

had enough of that shit. And

1:14:21

they just go over and they maul them. Yeah.

1:14:24

And I think that

1:14:28

our view of what constitutes

1:14:32

nice and good in

1:14:35

today's world has been so

1:14:37

convoluted by today's politics in

1:14:40

that you're always a victim. You're

1:14:43

always something. It's a competition of how

1:14:45

much of a victim are you and

1:14:48

somehow by being like, I am the most

1:14:50

victimized for things that absolutely might

1:14:52

not even happen in my lifetime. You know

1:14:55

what I mean? Like in a limiting of

1:14:57

who's the biggest victim is what is considered

1:14:59

winning now. Being a victim

1:15:01

today means you didn't

1:15:03

get everything that you want. That's

1:15:06

it. Yeah. That's the

1:15:08

reality. You'll appreciate this, Holmes. I don't

1:15:10

know if you remember this, but like

1:15:12

we were over at your

1:15:14

house, gosh, back

1:15:17

in like October or November.

1:15:22

And we were watching football. It's like a Sunday

1:15:24

thing. I think you were there too, Smug. You

1:15:27

came a little bit late, but it's

1:15:30

typical Smug fashion. He

1:15:34

wore a cape. My

1:15:38

son, Joey, has a really big heart.

1:15:40

Like he's a very nice kid.

1:15:45

And he was in the trampoline with your

1:15:47

two kids. And

1:15:49

we were grilling. We were doing

1:15:52

some ribs and stuff over there, as you are

1:15:54

one to do. And you're fantastic at it. And

1:15:56

we're working over there on the grill and we're

1:15:59

watching over there. at the trampoline

1:16:01

and your two sons are sort of ganging up on

1:16:03

my son and And

1:16:07

I loved it. I loved it and and

1:16:09

and yeah, I actually felt yeah you

1:16:12

felt you felt worried which which I

1:16:15

respect and Your

1:16:17

two two boys were sort of not

1:16:19

bullying But like Joey

1:16:21

they're playing with some balls and Joey

1:16:23

was like it's time to share

1:16:26

Just share and he's like trying

1:16:28

to like be really diplomatic about it again

1:16:31

big heart. Yep and They

1:16:34

are just straight just like owning his that

1:16:37

owning my son nothing in this light. Yeah What

1:16:41

I think I made a couple runs

1:16:43

like trying to make it play right

1:16:45

nicer and what I said is like

1:16:47

don't Don't and

1:16:51

the reason why I said don't is

1:16:53

because Joey is the firstborn And

1:16:56

when you are the firstborn, I think it

1:16:58

is a good lesson early in your life

1:17:00

to learn that

1:17:03

You don't get everything you want all

1:17:05

the time. It's it's okay to lose

1:17:08

and you should feel that Sometimes very

1:17:11

early in your life. So you learn

1:17:13

to deal with not getting what you

1:17:15

want and I liked it I

1:17:18

liked seeing him get upset that he wasn't

1:17:20

getting what he wanted and I appreciated that

1:17:22

and I feel like if more parents Did

1:17:24

that and embrace that as an important

1:17:26

learning point for their young kids? They wouldn't

1:17:29

deal with this bullshit where we call everything

1:17:31

bullying because it's not bullying. I remember that

1:17:33

dude That was that I mean, I've

1:17:35

said many times there's a solid parents on

1:17:38

this show. That was like an extremely

1:17:40

quality Dude, it was a very different thing because

1:17:42

like as you imagine All

1:17:45

of us who have kids you deal with parents of

1:17:47

all kinds and the last thing

1:17:49

you want is for Parents

1:17:52

to feel like their kids aren't

1:17:54

safe in Your

1:17:56

area right? So like you go out of your way

1:17:58

to try to like pull your your kids back

1:18:00

from situations that would, and

1:18:03

so I rolled over watching

1:18:06

all this, and Duncan's like, don't,

1:18:09

don't. He's like, let the

1:18:11

boy watch. And that was, it was

1:18:13

like that, what

1:18:15

was it, like Roman generals, when they would

1:18:17

come back from victory in their chariots, that

1:18:19

have like, someone that hold the crown

1:18:21

over them, but Mento Mori, like remember, you are mortal. That's like

1:18:24

your first born, you gotta learn that. You do. Learn

1:18:26

from the Romans, man. That's a great lesson. Listen,

1:18:28

it's a big deal. All right, so North Carolina,

1:18:30

you're totally fucked. Do you know that? I don't

1:18:32

think so. No, do you see this? According to

1:18:34

UPI, North

1:18:38

Carolina officials warn residents there could

1:18:40

be bears under their homes. Kill

1:18:42

them. So that's a beautiful thing.

1:18:45

I could tell everyone that North Carolina is the best

1:18:47

state to live in, but I'm scared. There's already a

1:18:49

significant problem of New Yorkers, especially

1:18:52

post COVID, during COVID, moving to North

1:18:54

Carolina. We've had Democrat

1:18:56

governors. You may have started the bears in your

1:18:58

homes, thanks to nobody else. I mean, here's the

1:19:00

thing, is that like, to this day

1:19:03

in North Carolina, you can still have a gun,

1:19:05

you could shoot that bear, you could keep your

1:19:07

home safe, but for how long is this thing?

1:19:09

That's the worry. To me, like if the government's

1:19:12

like, yo, there

1:19:14

could be bears in your house, the good thing is

1:19:16

in North Carolina, you could shoot them. In like New

1:19:18

York, they'll arrest you and give the bear your house,

1:19:20

right? So North Carolina is still safe for now. Can

1:19:22

we have a clip of this? Spagat?

1:19:25

Yeah, it's in California, but it's the same thing. We

1:19:28

had a similar clip, a clip

1:19:30

five. This is

1:19:33

of a Lake Tahoe, California

1:19:35

issue. But it

1:19:37

gets crazy. One more time. There's not gonna be

1:19:39

a study bear.

1:19:42

Is that a... It's

1:19:44

a bear underneath. One more

1:19:47

time. That home. Wow. Holy

1:19:49

shit. Wow. There it is. So they set

1:19:51

off fireworks to get the bear out. That's

1:19:53

the thing, and that's a total California move,

1:19:55

because Gavin will not have a gun. In

1:19:58

North Carolina, you get a free rug. It's

1:20:00

a great deal if I found if I

1:20:02

found a bear in my house and we're

1:20:04

telling it It's dead and I finally have

1:20:06

the rug a free rug living room new

1:20:08

rug. I Don't

1:20:10

know man. I would kill him.

1:20:12

It's a tough shot. Well, apparently the whole

1:20:15

thing is like These

1:20:17

people and I want

1:20:19

you to deal with this these people that

1:20:21

that are interacting with this situation They

1:20:24

actually want the homeowners to be okay with the Bears

1:20:26

living under the home Listen

1:20:29

this quote the fun part of

1:20:31

the job is to convince a homeowner. There's okay to

1:20:33

have a bear under the house You're

1:20:35

kidding me. So so this this leads

1:20:37

into this separate thing I read about

1:20:39

where the Biden administration is Reintroducing

1:20:42

wild bears into parts of the country

1:20:44

where people live. Oh, it's to be

1:20:46

like hey, you know Like you got

1:20:48

to put up with this no,

1:20:50

dude Like no the reasons humans

1:20:52

exist is because we defeated nature Like

1:20:55

the war ended a very long time ago. So

1:20:57

we don't need to fight this What

1:21:00

you said was on Fox News

1:21:02

Biden administration accelerates plans to unleash

1:21:04

grizzly bears and rural community over

1:21:06

widespread local Yeah, what's the fuck?

1:21:08

Yeah We had

1:21:10

already done a year one. Oh, they

1:21:12

hate people so much. These are the

1:21:14

worst people in the world We

1:21:19

beat animals God

1:21:21

gave us dominion over animals and they

1:21:23

want the war. They're working it back.

1:21:26

They're working it back Oh, but I

1:21:28

mean you just put some honey on a pool and I

1:21:30

think it takes care of Think

1:21:32

about think about the life of like an

1:21:35

American citizen at this point You have bears

1:21:37

and illegals unleashed in your communities by Joe

1:21:39

Biden I'm like, how can he make things more

1:21:41

difficult at this point? Like the inflation is tough

1:21:43

and now you got a bear It's

1:21:46

so bad. It's so bad Alright,

1:21:49

so one of our favorite guests Yes,

1:21:52

then we even tease that we've ever

1:21:54

had on this program

1:21:57

is here to do the first presidential

1:22:00

recap of their own experience and

1:22:02

we just love them to death. Can't

1:22:05

wait for this. You guys are gonna enjoy every minute

1:22:07

of it. Doug Burgum, North

1:22:09

Dakota. I

1:22:12

want to welcome to the program one of

1:22:14

our all-time favorite guests. I mean this guy

1:22:16

never lets us down. We've done

1:22:19

crazy stuff with him. We've eaten snake. Ralph

1:22:21

Dink Duchess. Governor

1:22:25

Doug Burgum, welcome back, pal. It's great to

1:22:27

be back and I gotta tell you, the

1:22:29

people are just listening in. Before you come

1:22:31

on the show, they actually, these guys that

1:22:33

look like attack helicopter pilots, they do a

1:22:35

countdown three, two, one and then it's like

1:22:37

blast off. I mean you feel the energy

1:22:39

in the room, you take off and go.

1:22:42

We try to be a little bit

1:22:44

professional. I mean, I just got this

1:22:46

studio on lights. You should count down

1:22:48

from like a hundred. Just make me

1:22:50

sit through it. That

1:22:53

could be an extra clip that people could pay extra

1:22:55

to watch. That

1:22:57

would be worth paying for. No question. Well,

1:23:01

listen, you've been a busy guy.

1:23:03

The last time that the nation

1:23:05

saw you as a candidate

1:23:07

for president and then obviously you made

1:23:09

a big endorsement afterwards. You've been helping

1:23:12

out ever since, it sounds like. I

1:23:14

have and happy to be supporting

1:23:16

President Trump but before we get into that, which I'm sure

1:23:18

we'll talk about, I do for the four of you, I

1:23:20

do want in your great production team, I

1:23:22

do want to say a genuine

1:23:26

thank you. I mean gratitude. I mean, I typically

1:23:28

in my life always lead with gratitude but

1:23:31

when you're running presidential campaign and you're from

1:23:33

a small state, there are a

1:23:35

lot of people that just like, oh, he's from a small state.

1:23:37

He's from a small town in a small state and

1:23:39

I want to say genuinely of the people that I

1:23:42

met during the entire campaign, the

1:23:44

most fun I had, the most insight, the

1:23:47

most everything was with the Ruthless team. Oh,

1:23:49

thank you. I hope I was very appreciated.

1:23:51

Yeah and I'm not just saying

1:23:53

that, I mean, but part of it was, I got to tell you

1:23:56

and I'm sure all your guests feel this way, but I actually

1:23:58

felt seen, I felt heard. I

1:24:00

felt respected and I think that you folks

1:24:03

are ruthless in one area and your rules

1:24:05

in your curiosity Mmm, that's and curious curiosities

1:24:07

what drives innovation. I've always been someone with

1:24:09

my kids I'm like, hey, you know, I

1:24:11

don't care what grade you get I care

1:24:13

about are you asking good questions every day

1:24:15

at school when I drop them off I'd

1:24:17

say like hey ask good questions today and

1:24:19

then at night I'd say I

1:24:21

didn't say did you get an A on that test? I'd say tell me

1:24:23

the best question you asked. Oh, that's so

1:24:26

I mean Parenting advice. Yeah, I'm taking notes

1:24:28

over here So if you

1:24:30

kind of want to be successful, you should listen Just

1:24:34

about every facet of life that's incredible. Thank

1:24:36

you very much for all of you I

1:24:40

mean from a software's perspective you are

1:24:42

incredibly great content Governor

1:24:46

your life story itself is like a movie.

1:24:48

So yes. Well, we're happy to help. It

1:24:50

was also terrific for our numbers I Eat

1:24:54

snake. Yeah, which was delightful No, it was

1:24:57

and I and I'm and I hope that

1:24:59

we've expanded the market for all the

1:25:01

for all the free-range non-gmo organic

1:25:04

rattlesnake Ranchers

1:25:06

out there. I think we gave them a

1:25:09

boost like they've never had The

1:25:11

key is like you mix it with they have a

1:25:13

kind of a spice like a jalapeno or something to

1:25:15

it And it had the venom. Yeah, I had a

1:25:17

venom in there. Venom sauce, I think is what they

1:25:19

called that I Was

1:25:24

feeling a little weird Seventeen beers

1:25:26

we drank on the way But

1:25:31

that was fun, right I mean look you look

1:25:33

back on a presidential campaign which by the way

1:25:35

exceeded all Expectations coming

1:25:37

in everybody like you said small

1:25:40

state. I never heard of them Like

1:25:42

let's just discount this guy and

1:25:44

then all of a sudden a bunch of innovation leads

1:25:46

to you getting on a debate stage And starting to

1:25:48

post some poll numbers that are well

1:25:50

within the thick of things You

1:25:53

surprise a lot of people and like,

1:25:55

you know, the whole experience was gigantic.

1:25:57

Yeah. Well, it was an honor I

1:25:59

mean for Catherine and I, I mean,

1:26:01

when you're, you know, of course, I love

1:26:04

Theodore Roosevelt and in North Dakota, we're

1:26:06

building a presidential library for Theodore Roosevelt,

1:26:08

audacious goal, $350 million project in a

1:26:10

town of 113 people. Oh,

1:26:13

that's right. But

1:26:15

you know, I mean, TR famously talked about being in the

1:26:18

arena, but when you actually can get out of the stands

1:26:20

and you're in the arena and you're doing it out of

1:26:22

a heart of service because you care about this country and

1:26:24

the people that are here. And it was

1:26:26

very inspiring for us, the people that we met, the people

1:26:28

you talk to, the stories we heard

1:26:30

and makes, you know,

1:26:33

made me just want to, you know, work even

1:26:35

harder at trying to drive things forward. So that

1:26:37

was fantastic. And we thought, again, we did set

1:26:39

some records. It was, you

1:26:42

might know that first debate was now

1:26:44

named the best presidential debate by

1:26:46

someone standing on one leg. That

1:26:48

was a, that's in the book. Can I just

1:26:51

take, can I just go back to this? Yeah.

1:26:54

I mean, this is the story that we never got

1:26:56

the full download of. So we were obviously homers, we

1:26:58

were big fans of yours and you were courteous enough

1:27:00

to spend a lot of time with us and getting

1:27:02

to know you and your wife and everything else. And

1:27:04

so we're, we're kind of rooting this on. We're like,

1:27:06

God, he's gone to stage. Like this is great. And

1:27:09

then was it like two days before? It was less

1:27:11

than 24 hours. Less

1:27:13

than 24 hours. You're playing basketball.

1:27:16

Yes. I mean, come on. I

1:27:20

played ball my whole life and we're heading into

1:27:22

March Madness. You guys got your bracket coming up

1:27:24

here. You guys, you guys think madness. Yeah, you're

1:27:26

there. All right. So we're in Milwaukee and these

1:27:28

guys say, Hey, we got a chance to get

1:27:31

on the court at Marquette. And I'm like,

1:27:33

I'm not passing up a chance to go. Were these

1:27:35

people to stand this campaign offer? Like

1:27:38

your own friends. Yeah,

1:27:43

it was, it was that way. And

1:27:45

my eldest son was there too. He's 30. He

1:27:48

was there. Anyway, we were just, we're not going

1:27:50

to, you know, do anything. We're just

1:27:52

going to shoot around, shoot around. Then we get over there and this and

1:27:54

be like, Hey, you want to play? You pick

1:27:56

up game and I'm like, yeah, okay. And then we're playing and

1:27:58

then we're playing, you know, it's like. and two, three on

1:28:00

three and then all of a sudden we're down five and

1:28:03

I'm like I'm not losing a game. You're pushing. I'm

1:28:06

not losing to these guys the day before the bank.

1:28:10

So I tell people it was raining threes

1:28:12

and then the floor got wet and then

1:28:15

I blew my achilles.

1:28:17

I mean I can't imagine your

1:28:19

thought process as you're presumably

1:28:22

laying on the floor looking

1:28:24

at your achilles. I mean this is one

1:28:26

of the most painful injuries you can have

1:28:28

as a person. It's horrible and you're

1:28:31

like oh no because you've

1:28:33

got to know this is going to

1:28:35

impact everything. Well I knew exactly

1:28:37

partly because I played competitive

1:28:39

ball my whole life in competitive leagues.

1:28:44

Most of the guys, they started out my age and then

1:28:46

they were 10 years younger than 20 years younger than 30

1:28:48

years younger and I got a

1:28:50

great story sometime which I won't share here

1:28:52

about how we won two state titles in

1:28:55

the same weekend playing on an

1:28:57

open team and an over 30 team when

1:29:01

we only had 10 guys but we were shuffling them

1:29:03

back and forth like hockey players but between two courts

1:29:05

well the championships were going on and

1:29:08

I'm like telling a guy like you know hey how

1:29:10

many fouls do you have and he's like I don't

1:29:12

know it's either seven or eight because he's playing back

1:29:14

and forth between two games. I said well don't get

1:29:16

nine because you get nine you're going to be out

1:29:19

of one of the games. I

1:29:21

don't know which one but if you're at eight

1:29:23

stop fouling people. We were like

1:29:25

a multi-level chess game and some other dimension

1:29:27

but anyway so I've had a lot of

1:29:29

fun playing ball my whole life but three

1:29:31

times in my career I've been

1:29:33

on the court when someone's blown their Achilles.

1:29:35

Oh okay. Three times. So I know how

1:29:37

painful it is. I know and every time

1:29:39

they went down they looked around and said

1:29:42

who kicked me? Somebody kicked me. Who

1:29:44

was behind me? So when I went down.

1:29:47

You're looking backwards. And I, everyone's

1:29:49

over here laying on the floor looking up

1:29:51

and you got this extreme pain you think

1:29:53

it's blown like exploding mop head. You

1:29:56

know anyway and I said who kicked me?

1:29:59

And then when I heard myself say that. The thought

1:30:01

process was, oh, nobody kicked me. I

1:30:05

just blew my Achilles. I

1:30:07

got my debut presidential debate in

1:30:09

less than 24 hours. And then

1:30:11

Christie slunk out the back door. So

1:30:16

did you have to do debate prep

1:30:18

from a hospital bed? Or what did you have

1:30:20

to do that night? Well, we

1:30:23

went to the ER to confirm what I already

1:30:25

knew. And then they said, hey, we can give

1:30:27

you these prescription painkillers, but there's nothing else we

1:30:29

can do. And I'm like, well, that would be

1:30:31

an interesting way to do the debate. You had

1:30:34

the Governor Perry how that went. So

1:30:41

we went straight ahead with the whole thing,

1:30:43

but then it's, so you

1:30:45

didn't take any painkillers. I took

1:30:47

a couple of Tylenol. Tylenol. Tylenol. Tylenol. I mean,

1:30:49

I just wanted to take the edge off it

1:30:51

a little bit. That didn't really help. And

1:30:54

then we're, and I learned something.

1:30:56

All the other candidates are coming and they're going

1:30:58

through the, they said they call it a walkthrough,

1:31:00

but you come individually. And there are like 20

1:31:02

people there in the producing crews and everybody's like,

1:31:04

where's my camera? And where do I look? And

1:31:06

where do I go during breaks? And I came

1:31:08

in, I said, I got one question. And they

1:31:10

said, what's that? I said, are

1:31:13

those podiums bolted to the

1:31:15

floor? To my surprise, they said,

1:31:17

yes, they are. You can do

1:31:19

some heavy leading on the podium. Yeah. Yeah. I was,

1:31:21

I was a three point stance, two arms and one

1:31:23

leg. But actually, but at the end, by the end,

1:31:25

my right leg, the one that was not injured was

1:31:28

actually. I

1:31:30

mean, I, I know. Have you guys ever stood on one leg for two hours?

1:31:34

No, I mean, I wouldn't recommend it. I mean, if

1:31:36

you got a podium, but three

1:31:38

months later after running

1:31:40

around on that, that, that knee rover thing I

1:31:42

had, I could, I could have stood for five

1:31:44

hours on one leg. Yeah. They got like a

1:31:47

massive left leg. If I'd have

1:31:49

been in some kind of a Monty Python one-legged

1:31:51

kicking contest, at the end

1:31:53

of that thing, I would have been awesome. But on day

1:31:55

one, I was not prepared to stand on one leg for

1:31:57

two hours. I mean, did you have to, did you have

1:31:59

to auto? on the fly in terms of what your

1:32:01

strategy was or are you just gonna go out and try to execute

1:32:03

as best you can? Well we weren't even

1:32:05

sure I could get on the stage. That's what I

1:32:07

mean. So we're like we're not sure so we went

1:32:10

there for the walkthrough and I figured out I could

1:32:12

get on the stage without crutches and get behind that

1:32:14

podium and then people leave at

1:32:16

the break and they're like hey I'm good.

1:32:18

I'm just like everybody's going to get a

1:32:20

glass of water or something. You're

1:32:25

just like dating people out there and

1:32:27

you're standing there during the break. Just

1:32:29

awkwardly staring at all of them.

1:32:33

What an experience. Obviously that was

1:32:35

I think it was the most watched debate. Yeah

1:32:37

it sure was. Of all of them and it

1:32:39

was you know we were there it was obviously

1:32:41

a huge... It was exactly half of the number

1:32:43

of people that watched the last episode of The

1:32:46

Apprentice 2015. It was

1:32:49

the most watched debate but it was not... Flippant

1:32:51

in perspective. Yeah it was and I

1:32:54

think I know who was starring in

1:32:56

The Apprentice. Speaking of The Apprentice I

1:32:58

do have a question to ask you

1:33:00

that I'm sure you're getting from every

1:33:02

single person that you talk to in

1:33:04

the media and you know this question

1:33:06

you've answered it a thousand times but

1:33:08

when you think about who President Trump

1:33:10

wants as a vice president and the

1:33:12

way he thinks about these things he

1:33:14

always thinks of central casting so

1:33:16

who better than John Wayne the rattlesnake killer

1:33:19

to be his vice president so

1:33:21

the question is is it

1:33:23

a job that you would say yes to there

1:33:26

is a job offer you'd say yes to and

1:33:28

do you think it's possible? Well

1:33:30

I think the that whole debate's

1:33:32

changed a little bit because since JFK

1:33:36

Jr. is talking about another

1:33:40

New York Jets quarterback who also blew his Achilles.

1:33:42

Yeah. So I mean it could be the blown

1:33:46

Achilles but you know who

1:33:49

would be better you know than Aaron

1:33:51

Rodgers but I think I

1:33:53

haven't seen it yet you guys could be the first to run

1:33:55

I think Mahomes has got to be on Trump's list. Got to

1:33:57

be on the left. Don't you think? I don't know. You're

1:34:00

a full punt, by the way. Yeah.

1:34:02

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A full punt.

1:34:05

And I understand that. I understand that.

1:34:07

It's probably nothing less that

1:34:10

President Trump likes when people are speculating about

1:34:12

their own candidacies for Vice President. But I

1:34:14

mean, from our perspective, it sure makes sense

1:34:16

to us. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, another businessman

1:34:18

there, when this country is in such a

1:34:20

dire situation to help turn things around, it

1:34:22

seems like a dream team. Yeah.

1:34:24

Yeah, you could do a lot worse. And I

1:34:26

mean, you said that you come from a small

1:34:28

state, and people weren't paying attention. America is made

1:34:31

up of small states and small towns. And the

1:34:33

problem with Washington is nobody gets

1:34:35

that. And I feel like

1:34:37

that would bring an awful lot to Trump's

1:34:39

ticket that people would overlook. Right.

1:34:42

Well, and this may not be a plus comparison,

1:34:44

but last time I checked, Joe Biden's from a

1:34:46

much smaller state than North Dakota. Yeah.

1:34:50

Yeah. That could be the argument against smaller. I don't

1:34:52

know. But I'd say that

1:34:54

you guys know what I ran. I wasn't running

1:34:56

for a cabinet position. I wasn't running for anything.

1:34:59

Any of that stuff. And I'd say

1:35:01

more important now than ever.

1:35:04

And I would go around the country as a

1:35:06

governor and say, having served under, I had

1:35:08

36 days under Obama, which

1:35:11

was a nightmare because of the Dakota Access

1:35:13

Pipeline protests were going on. And now in

1:35:15

federal court, we just wrapped up last week,

1:35:17

seven years later, completing this federal court, where

1:35:20

we're making the case the federal government owes North Dakota

1:35:22

$38 million for law enforcement and cleanup

1:35:24

because the White House, the Obama White

1:35:27

House, had their thumb on the scale

1:35:29

on behalf of the protesters. That's a

1:35:31

lot of work and days to make

1:35:33

people's lives miserable from the federal government

1:35:35

and Barack Obama. Yeah. And it's all

1:35:37

come out in the court documents, but

1:35:39

it's just clear. I mean, emails all

1:35:41

the way to the White House. Unbelievable.

1:35:44

FBI agents that are on video

1:35:46

depositions saying, when we're like,

1:35:48

why do those FBI guys leave? Well, they were

1:35:50

told by their boss, get out of North Dakota,

1:35:52

you're not there to help North Dakota. Unbelievable. Unreal.

1:35:54

I mean, I wish I could tell you it

1:35:56

surprises me. So that was my start.

1:35:58

I mean, welcome private sector. and then day one I got

1:36:00

10,000 people camping illegally. Right.

1:36:04

And that, so we had four years of wind at

1:36:06

our back with President Trump and

1:36:08

cabinet secretaries visiting North Dakota, the

1:36:10

vice president, the president, you know,

1:36:13

delegating power back to the states. And you guys know

1:36:15

that I'm a states rights guy. And

1:36:17

then, you know, Joe Biden takes office. My job

1:36:19

was the same. I was still governor, but then

1:36:21

everything changed because that was the beginning of the

1:36:23

onslaught, which has never quit under the red tape

1:36:25

and the regulations. And we're fighting 26 different

1:36:28

regulatory efforts right now against

1:36:30

the Biden administration. All those, we got lawyers, we're

1:36:33

staffing up. Some are in court. Some

1:36:35

are going to court. They're trying to, you

1:36:37

know, kill, you know, they're killing

1:36:39

the energy industry in our country at the same

1:36:41

time. We're empowering Iran and Russia, Venezuela

1:36:43

and helping China with our, the

1:36:46

energy policies are destabilizing

1:36:48

the world. They're killing American jobs.

1:36:50

They're raising the prices of everything

1:36:52

with inflation. So

1:36:54

that, the most important thing for this country

1:36:56

right now, if it's a binary choice, Trump

1:36:58

versus Biden, President Trump, we've seen what he's

1:37:00

been able to do. The world was safe.

1:37:02

The world was prosperous. And now

1:37:04

we've got to get him back in. And it's him plus

1:37:06

the 4,000 people that he will appoint

1:37:09

across, across that federal

1:37:12

government that will then stop the

1:37:14

madness that's going on right now under

1:37:16

the Biden administration. It's really well said.

1:37:18

I'm glad to hear that strategically speaking,

1:37:20

you've got some quibbles with being more

1:37:22

reliant on Beijing than Minot. I

1:37:25

mean, it's wise wild, right? Yeah.

1:37:30

Well, hey, and speaking of Minot, I mean, we've

1:37:33

got, it's the only base in the country

1:37:35

that's got two of the three legs

1:37:37

of the nuclear triad. You know, we've got

1:37:39

the missile wing and the bomber wing. And

1:37:42

I think I shared with you before, we're

1:37:44

trying to get the USS North Dakota relocated

1:37:46

to Lake Sakakawea. So we can have, we

1:37:48

have a submarine moving back. We have all

1:37:50

three legs of the triad in North Dakota.

1:37:52

I mean, Canada would not try that. They

1:37:55

would not. And I tell people,

1:37:57

you don't want to mess with North Dakota right

1:37:59

now. today if we seceded from the nation

1:38:01

we'd be the third largest nuclear power in the

1:38:04

world. Today, incredible. So

1:38:06

think about, well

1:38:08

in the springtime, so the Red River, you might be

1:38:10

able to just drop it in there, right? It

1:38:13

doesn't flood every year, basically, the Red

1:38:15

River. It won't this year. It won't this year.

1:38:18

I mean, this is my family's up from the area.

1:38:21

It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, and then when

1:38:23

it does, then it goes from being 100 yards

1:38:25

wide to like 10 miles wide. Have

1:38:28

you guys seen this? No, it's incredible. I haven't

1:38:30

seen it. Honestly, it's one of, everybody

1:38:32

pays attention to disaster recoveries that happen

1:38:34

in Florida with hurricanes or, you know,

1:38:36

all through the southeast. Nobody

1:38:39

pays attention because these guys just handle it,

1:38:42

but like it transforms an

1:38:44

entire land mass into one

1:38:46

big body of water once every, I don't

1:38:48

know, few years. The

1:38:51

likes of which if the rest of the

1:38:53

country had one minute dealing with it,

1:38:55

it would be like, it's all over.

1:38:59

Cancel the Constitution. You

1:39:01

know what I mean? It's for

1:39:03

real though. Yeah, well the Red River, full

1:39:05

name, Red River of the North, it's the

1:39:07

border between North Dakota and Minnesota. It flows

1:39:09

north up to Lake Winnipeg and the

1:39:11

Hudson Bay. But when it's

1:39:13

flowing north in the spring, it's still

1:39:16

frozen. It's still frozen there, so

1:39:18

all the water's coming and then the ice is

1:39:20

not going out yet. So in addition to water,

1:39:22

water everywhere, the water's about 33 degrees. So

1:39:26

you'd die if you're in it after like 60

1:39:28

seconds. So other than that, it's not a problem.

1:39:31

I mean, it's like a perpetual disaster preparedness.

1:39:33

You guys don't ever get enough credit for

1:39:35

that, probably because you're north of the Cottons.

1:39:38

And we do just handle it. Just

1:39:40

handle it. So, all right. So

1:39:43

in addition to your endorsement,

1:39:46

you haven't stopped working. I understand you're

1:39:48

traveling around doing like Lincoln

1:39:50

Day dinner type things or county meetings,

1:39:53

big Republican events. You were just in

1:39:55

Nevada not long ago? Yes. It

1:39:57

was there last Saturday, Clark County. That'll

1:39:59

be why. One of the 19 counties, it's a swing county.

1:40:02

I got to tell you, the intensity for

1:40:04

President Trump, very high. That gives

1:40:06

you a lot to feel good about. I

1:40:09

was thanking all the veterans in the room. This

1:40:12

is a group of like 500, 600 people. 30%

1:40:15

were veterans. The

1:40:19

strength and support there, you got

1:40:21

retirees, you got veterans. What

1:40:24

else is there? You got women, you got

1:40:26

some young people, you got Hispanics. There's a whole

1:40:28

group there that are all in on Trump. I

1:40:30

feel like he's winning on all demographics. But Harris

1:40:33

has been to Clark County twice in the last

1:40:35

three weeks. Biden, I think, is going there this

1:40:37

week. This could be one of

1:40:40

the counties that actually swings the election. And

1:40:42

of course, what we're up against is you've

1:40:44

got unions. And

1:40:49

we know that you guys experienced Nevada.

1:40:52

Thank you for bringing it up. Every other county

1:40:54

in Nevada is going to vote for President Trump.

1:40:59