Amy Heilshorn joins me in the studio for the 2nd part of our series, on our journey into and out of some devastating church situations. 

We talk about 

- Our move to Columbus, Ohio

- Living together for over a year

- College ministry 

-Community groups 

- Our homeless friends

- Francis Chan and the e-mail that wrecked us

- The anxiety that came with it

- Asking questions

- John Piper

- Authoritative pastors

- She Has A Name

- A possible move to Atlanta

- Back to Fort Wayne

Our lives have quite a rollercoaster… so many hard memories but also so much good that has come out of it. 

Amy was somewhat of a “reluctant” guest. I had to really talk her into doing this. And… she did great! I know there are more stories to tell, so we will have to do it again sometime. Right, Aims???

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