0:05

And so a couple of the staff members had

0:08

gone to sleep as well. A few of us

0:10

were still awake and we were just kind of

0:12

BSing and chit-chat with the kids that were on

0:14

Firewatch hanging around the campfire. And

0:17

we started hearing the sounds coming from

0:19

the woods coming out of the tree

0:21

line. And there were wild thunks, which

0:24

I know now to

0:26

be tree knocking, which

0:28

I had no idea what that was.

0:30

I mean, I didn't believe it in

0:32

Sasquatch or anything like that at the

0:34

time. So I never really dug too

0:36

deep into the lore or anything. It

0:39

sounded like logs, man, like

0:42

the circumference of it was

0:44

like a smaller tree had fallen

0:47

and like it had picked up a

0:49

thinner tree and was hitting

0:51

a bigger one because they weren't cracks

0:54

like sticks. They were deep thunks.

1:00

I mean, they were they were deliberate. And

1:03

this loud, chilling,

1:06

otherworldly scream,

1:09

this loud yell came

1:13

bellowing through the camp. It

1:17

was paralyzing. We're

1:19

all frozen and we're

1:21

looking around. The vocalization

1:24

ends and we are all looking at

1:26

each other like what what what the hell

1:28

are we going to have? We're standing around

1:30

the campfire like what is going on? Right.

1:32

So we're talking, but we're trying to scan

1:34

and look and see. And

1:37

and a rock comes flying

1:39

in to the camp. Like I

1:41

didn't know what it was. I heard the thought in my

1:43

body goes, whoa, dude, that's a rock. Something just threw a

1:45

rock at us. Yeah,

1:57

it Looks like somebody was. Dance

2:00

over and had their head in the

2:02

window the nearby in and it either

2:04

heard me or smell mean he pulls

2:07

his at out of it said stood

2:09

straight up and. That

2:11

that shocked me. They

2:18

don't make people that that begs.

2:25

The way of her. Almost.

2:29

As if it were flying across the things.

2:32

I've never seen anything like that in my

2:35

life. While. Off

2:38

with screaming as interfering

2:40

zipper is. It

2:43

sounds like a language and with

2:45

some friends might come forward. Forward

2:48

forward. And

2:51

I was a band of flight and there's no

2:53

way on this comment for what I thought bad,

3:21

For her. glass

3:35

house The

4:04

Marines, America's Boogie Man.

4:08

Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being

4:10

here tonight. It's got a great show planned

4:12

for you. We'll be chatting with

4:14

John. And John actually

4:16

had an encounter in Tainano, Washington.

4:19

And Tainano is notorious

4:21

for sightings. It's

4:24

an area where it's shocking

4:26

how many sightings come out of that area because

4:28

there's not a lot of people that live there.

4:31

But he took these kids out on this camping

4:34

trip. I'll kind of let John go into it.

4:36

And they had a very, very long night. But

4:39

again, I'll let John go into it. If you've

4:41

had an encounter and he'd like to be on

4:43

the show, shoot me an email. My

4:46

email address is Wes

4:48

at sasquatchchronicles.com. And

4:50

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4:54

You can become a member and get

4:56

additional shows. Let's

4:58

jump into it tonight. I want

5:00

to welcome to the show John. John,

5:03

thanks for coming on. Thank

5:05

you for having me. Yeah. And I wanted

5:07

to ask you, John, prior to this incident that happened

5:09

to you in 2017 out there

5:13

in Tainano, Washington, what was kind

5:15

of your thoughts about Sasquatch? What

5:17

was your feelings about the

5:19

subject if it was brought up to you? Very

5:23

tales and fun campfire

5:25

stories, ghost stories that

5:28

you tell in the dark to freak out

5:30

your friends or just when you want to

5:32

hear a creepy story, you get chill bumps.

5:37

But I never took it seriously. Not

5:39

until that night. I hear you.

5:41

Well, if you would, take me back to

5:43

2017. What were you doing? And

5:48

walk us into what happened. So

5:51

yeah, I'm a veteran of the United

5:54

States Marine Corps and I

5:56

was also a private security contractor

5:58

and became the... commander of an

6:00

ROTC unit in Washington. We

6:03

take our kids on all different types of training

6:07

modules and encampments and stuff like that.

6:09

And this particular weekend, we had taken

6:11

them out to an FTX, right, which

6:13

is a field training exercise. And

6:15

so we, one of our

6:17

staff members had a personal connection to somebody

6:20

who had a large swath of land up

6:23

in the Tainano area, Tainano,

6:25

Washington. So we took the kids

6:28

out on this camping trip. And there's

6:31

acres and acres and acres, I mean, dozens of

6:33

acres of land, huge property. And there

6:36

was forests and

6:39

there was a river that cut through it. And

6:42

so we were going to be able to do

6:44

all kinds of really cool stuff with the kids.

6:47

Fire pits and fire safety and

6:49

how to build shelters and

6:52

tarp shelters and water

6:54

filtration and stuff like that. And so we

6:57

brought some paintball guns and the kids were

6:59

going to have war games and all kinds

7:01

of fun stuff for them. And so we go

7:03

out and we set up that morning. We go

7:05

and we set up camp and

7:08

got a big bonfire pit right in

7:10

the center of camp. And then we've got the two

7:12

big GP tents,

7:16

general purpose tents, they're great

7:18

big, you know, 15 by

7:20

30 or so, you know, size tents,

7:24

big heavy green canvas tents

7:26

that are meant to be used out in the

7:28

field, you know, get rained on, snowed on and

7:30

they're really thick and durable military grade, you know,

7:33

GI issue tents. And

7:35

so we've got a couple of those for the kids.

7:38

We've got the staff

7:40

tents also kind of surrounding those and

7:42

then some on the other side of

7:44

the campfire, right? So

7:46

the staff tents are kind of

7:49

encircled around the entire campsite. So

7:52

we take the kids out and

7:54

we have a full day of training and, you

7:57

know, all kinds of fun stuff and we let

7:59

them. After today's training,

8:01

we went and hung out down at

8:03

the river and everyone was splashing and

8:05

playing. We had a great time. We

8:07

came back to camp and we grilled

8:10

out and all that stuff. The

8:13

kids went to bed, they hit the rack and the

8:15

staff members, we stayed up for a little while

8:18

and we were instructing the kids with

8:20

fire watch. So fire watch for anybody

8:22

who's unfamiliar with the term is a

8:25

standard practice in the

8:28

military for guard

8:30

duty, right? Your standing post. It's

8:32

called fire watch in case there's a fire

8:34

on post or there's a fire within

8:38

your camp or they can sound

8:40

the alarm. Somebody stays awake at

8:42

night. Generally, it's either depending on the

8:44

size of your unit,

8:47

it's between two and four

8:49

Marines or two or

8:51

four guys that patrol around and keep

8:54

an eye out on everything. That was to

8:56

prevent the enemy also from sneaking in in

8:58

the middle of the night and cutting the

9:00

throats of your squad mates who are asleep,

9:02

right? So somebody's always awake at night. All

9:05

the kids had gone and hit

9:08

the rack, they're all in their

9:10

tents and so

9:12

a couple of the staff members had

9:14

gone to sleep as well. A few of us were

9:17

still awake and we were just kind of BSing and

9:19

chit-chatting with the kids that were on fire watch hanging

9:21

around the campfire and

9:23

we started hearing these sounds coming from the woods

9:25

coming out of the tree line, right? And there

9:28

were loud thunks which I know

9:30

now to be

9:33

tree knocking which I

9:35

had no idea what that was.

9:37

I mean, I didn't believe in Sasquatch

9:40

or anything like that at the time. So I never

9:42

really dug too deep into the lore

9:44

or anything. The

9:46

knocks, right? It didn't sound like

9:48

two sticks. It didn't sound like

9:50

sticks smacking together. It

9:53

sounded like logs, man. Like the

9:55

circumference of it was like a

9:57

smaller tree had fallen. And.

10:00

Like it had com a

10:03

spinner. three I was hitting

10:05

a better way to. They

10:07

weren't quacks like sticks. they

10:09

would beep thanks to. Soon.

10:13

As I mean, they were. They. Were

10:15

deliver it. But. The circumference of

10:17

it. Like I said it was. he

10:19

was like a smaller tree trunk. Being.

10:23

Black against a. Standing.

10:25

Tree trunk. And

10:28

so we ended up. Really?

10:30

Ignoring it you know is kind of our what

10:32

the heck is that anything you know and owners

10:34

animals out here in these woods and all and.

10:37

So. We just let it. So

10:39

the next morning we get up and we we

10:41

have another full day and get our doing. Star

10:44

Chart navigation in. You

10:47

know, paintball, war games, and and

10:49

all that stuff, right? That

10:51

I'm out. All. Over the

10:53

property or hundred or five or six

10:55

mile hike you know, with their rucksacks.

10:57

really talk right about. And

10:59

then again, same thing with in a little play

11:01

in the river you know, Have.

11:03

A lot of military customs in courtesies

11:05

in survival training and stuff like that.

11:07

but also the same side. their kids.

11:09

You know they're not soldiers, they're not

11:11

marines. You know we're not turning them

11:13

into little warriors. You know? sister? give

11:15

them everything. That. They need in order

11:18

to be successful in life, right? Give them all the

11:20

tools so that they can. Taste,

11:22

personal, excellence and. You.

11:24

Know where had a whatever it is

11:26

that the endeavor to pursue and life

11:29

they'll have the confidence and love. You.

11:31

Know the forty two to go after

11:33

it with. We're going on with the

11:35

military tactical mindset of but. Like.

11:38

I said your kids so we want him

11:40

to have fine and you know have a

11:42

good time. Water, balloons and all that stuff

11:44

so far. On the second night we get

11:46

back to camp and everyone.emery's right, well sit

11:48

around the campfire. Haven't flawed and however was

11:51

eating. And are than and shortly after

11:53

the kids go off to bed and again

11:55

some of the staff members go to bed.

11:57

so. There. Were three or four

11:59

of us. That were. You

12:01

know, hanging around. The staff members there were,

12:03

ah, sorry for me, be more space in.

12:05

There were four of us that were. Around

12:08

the campfire with a bar watch. And.

12:12

So we. Feel.

12:14

Told Fi watch. Here's your post right? And

12:16

so Fire Watch! There's. A

12:19

Generally it's a one hour watch

12:21

so you got to the kids.

12:23

That. Are on watch and then

12:25

there's a roster. So. The two

12:28

kids do their do their watch and

12:30

then an hour later. They. Wake up

12:32

the next set and then they get up

12:34

to do their fire watch and then the

12:36

previous. Kids. Were on watch.

12:39

They hit the rock right so it is

12:41

a rotation. And

12:43

it's kind of the same thing with the adults are able

12:45

we do. We were doing a two hour watch. And.

12:48

Out and we always want to have one

12:50

adult who's awake at all times I you

12:52

know, in case of an emergency. So. Goes.

12:55

The. Adults. The. Doodle Staff members?

12:57

We? we don't. We hit the rak right?

13:00

We go to bed and it's probably around

13:02

a One Right? Zero One Zero One Fifteen.

13:04

You know to walk, walk in the morning.

13:07

And we're all getting talked in, settled

13:09

in. And. Well.

13:12

I'm starting to drift off know

13:14

mom already in that place between

13:17

a week and sleep. And.

13:22

I. Woke up. From

13:24

sheer abject terror this.

13:27

Loud. Schilling. Otherworldly.

13:31

Screen. this this google loud

13:34

yell. Came. Rolling.

13:37

Through. The. Kept an eye.

13:39

It shocked me awake and i was a got me

13:42

on my sleeping bag and opposite might as well as

13:44

on pop it out of the said. My.

13:46

Three other staff member bodies who work

13:48

who had been awake. Get. Up

13:50

out of their tents and we're looking at each other

13:53

and we did. You hear that? I your that oh

13:55

okay you heard at you right where I was dreaming.

13:58

That. everyone's trying to figure out like what is. going

14:00

on, right? And then there's

14:02

a moment of silence. And as we're trying

14:04

to figure out, dude, what in the world

14:06

was there's a second vocalization.

14:09

And that one got us back into our

14:11

tents. And so you

14:14

got to realize because we are taking

14:17

kids out into the field, right? There's Cougar

14:19

and Bear, we're out in the middle of

14:21

nowhere, we bring our

14:23

firearms, because the safety

14:25

of our cadets is

14:28

the primary consideration of the

14:30

utmost importance is the safety

14:32

of those kids. So two

14:35

of my other staff member buddies have

14:37

their ARs. Another one only had his

14:39

sidearm. I've got my sidearm,

14:41

but I've got my Mossberg 500

14:43

tactical combat shotgun.

14:47

I've got it loaded with six shells

14:50

in the weapon itself, and then six shells

14:52

on a rack on the buttstock. And

14:54

I've got double lot buck, as well

14:57

as PDX

14:59

personal defense shredder rounds, big

15:02

one ounce deer slug with some

15:05

double lot buck ball bearing rounds in there

15:08

as well. So I've got some heavy hitting

15:11

ammo. I didn't want to use birdshot or anything, God forbid

15:13

there's a bear, you know, or a mountain lion or something

15:15

like that, right? I need something that's gonna hit. So

15:18

we pop up out of our tents, right? And

15:20

I've got my shotgun up, I've got, I've

15:23

got the weapon, you know, shouldered at the ready.

15:25

My other two buddies with their ARs

15:27

pop out. And we're all looking at each

15:29

other. And we're in, we're

15:32

in the tent, draw our weapons, get back out

15:34

of the tent, and we're looking around, and the

15:37

vocalization is still going. This

15:40

was a sustained yell. It

15:43

had to be a good 25, maybe 30

15:45

seconds in one breath. It

15:48

was it was paralyzing. I

15:51

now I'm a hunter and a

15:53

fisherman, right? I'm an avid, I'm

15:55

an avid outdoorsman. I Spend a lot

15:57

of time in nature, right? Well, at least. Use

16:00

it. Or. Her.

16:03

Ever since this encounter, I have not

16:05

gone out into the field by myself.

16:07

Because. There's something in those woods. Ah,

16:10

but I haven't gone camping by myself

16:12

for fishing your auntie by myself since

16:14

this encounter. But

16:16

I've been. I've spent a lot of time out

16:19

the field and I have never heard anything like

16:21

that ever in my life. The. I've

16:23

heard elk and the old, or all

16:25

different kinds of wildlife. And.

16:29

This. Sustained. Yell.

16:31

It was like it was so weird.

16:33

It was like a scream. And

16:36

a growl and he yelled all in

16:38

one was like. He was.

16:40

It was like multiple two or three

16:42

sets of vocal cords that were. Overweight,

16:46

On each other rate as they were

16:48

all different pitch and octave doing different

16:50

things, what all wrapped up together with

16:52

one voice was very unsettling. Ah,

16:55

it was like two or three voices

16:57

all together at one time. And

17:00

the duration. Of. How long it

17:02

lasted? There's nothing that I

17:04

know of that has a lung capacity.

17:07

That. Size. Which. Made

17:09

me people out. House

17:12

huge deal with whatever this thing

17:14

is. How. Gargantuan to

17:16

be right now. But

17:19

I. Never saw, I hadn't seen anything

17:21

right? All all all we heard was yell.

17:25

What? It was weird. It was like

17:27

an instinctual. He. Was instinct I

17:29

knew that whatever this thing is

17:31

is. Is. Massive. And.

17:36

It really gave me goosebumps in my hair.

17:38

Stood up. When. There

17:41

was some kind of low

17:43

frequency bellowing that accompanied the

17:45

vocalization. Ratings are reverberation. Of.

17:48

Like sound waves I I feel to pass

17:50

through my vital organs, right? It was like

17:52

infrasound, right? Like like a lion. You know,

17:54

like a lion or tiger was. And.

17:57

You get that? Where

18:01

you can feel. The. Airwaves moving

18:03

around you write and and I

18:05

don't the sound waves. Ripple.

18:08

Through my body was vibrating my

18:10

guts. And I

18:12

looked down because I felt my. I

18:15

felt my gosh vibrating and when

18:17

I look down I remember looking

18:19

out my shotgun. And.

18:21

For the first time, I felt I had no

18:23

confidence in my weapon or. Does

18:25

the shotgun even have the stopping

18:27

power? To stop.

18:29

whatever. this whatever this thing

18:32

is is gargantuan. With. A

18:34

long capacities out large to

18:36

sustain a vocalization that long.

18:39

Got. The multiple vocal I was.

18:42

It was terrified. At. The.

18:44

Biggest fear that I had was. I

18:47

didn't know of my weapon. Like. I said

18:49

I had no. Confidence in it. And.

18:52

I've got about thirty five to forty two

18:54

deaths. Would I need to protect? Their.

18:56

Their my first priority. So.

18:59

We're We're all frozen. And

19:01

and were looking around. The.

19:04

Vocalization as and we're all looking at each

19:06

other like what? What? What the hell are

19:08

we going and were standing around the campfire

19:10

like what is going on. Brakes worked, We're

19:13

talking, but we're We're trying to stand and

19:15

look and see. Air.

19:17

And a rock comes flying

19:20

in. So. The can't like I,

19:22

you know what was her the thought of my

19:24

body goes won't do that A rock solid just

19:26

arrived at us. And.

19:28

Almost. Instantaneously, There.

19:31

Were three knox that came from the

19:33

opposite free light so. I'm

19:35

silent. Let me back up a second here. Are.

19:38

Camp was in the middle of appeal. And

19:40

there was. Thought. That

19:42

it probably about twenty meters. To.

19:45

The tree line to our north. Said.

19:47

About. Another fifteen

19:49

to. Twenty meters or

19:51

so, little bit less to the free lying

19:53

to ourselves. The. vocalizations

19:55

that we had heard that redux of we

19:58

had heard were coming from the doors We're

20:01

standing around trying to total

20:03

bewilderment befuddled. Like what the hell is this?

20:05

What are we going to do? We've got

20:07

kids to protect. What have you ever

20:09

heard anything like this in your life? Ever. Did

20:12

you know what this is? And we've got guys

20:14

that have multiple, you

20:16

know, combat tours. We've got guys that have

20:19

been deployed to other countries and, you know,

20:21

different areas. We've got national guardsmen that have

20:23

been out, you know, helping with, you

20:26

know, flooding or natural disasters and

20:28

stuff. So I mean, we've got

20:30

decades of military experience that is

20:32

in this huddle and none

20:35

of us have ever heard anything like this

20:37

before. And then all of a sudden to

20:39

the south, there's tree knocking and

20:41

then a vocalization coming from the south. So

20:43

now our attention's to the south. Now we're

20:45

split. It was... It

20:48

was... We couldn't

20:50

figure out, right? My mind started racing. Oh

20:53

my God, is there more than one? How

20:56

many of them are out there? Right?

20:58

What is going on? What is going

21:00

on? And in my mind, like

21:03

instinctually, I'm like, dude, it can't be.

21:06

There's no way that this is, you

21:08

know, this can't be what I think

21:10

it is, right? Like you're crazy. But

21:13

then I, you know, I'm trying to rationalize

21:15

what I'm hearing and what I'm feeling because

21:17

the air is strange too, right? Like the

21:20

air density got thicker. It was strange. It

21:23

was almost like the

21:26

air was palpable, right? It seemed thicker

21:28

than normal. Like it was really thick

21:30

and humid. There wasn't a lot of

21:32

humidity, you know, it's not like, you know,

21:34

like in Miami, right? You got 95% humidity. It's

21:37

harder to breathe because there's so much moisture in the air. It

21:40

didn't feel like moisture, but

21:42

the air was thicker than I had noticed.

21:45

I'm not going to say it was harder to breathe, but

21:48

it didn't feel normal. So

21:51

I'm trying to rationalize what's going on. While

21:53

all this is going, you know, now

21:56

I'm hearing vocalization and tree knocks coming

21:58

from the tree lines. Shop. So

22:01

now I'm. Trying. To figure

22:04

out. Okay, Is. This

22:06

the same one as it moved

22:08

or there are multiple. Are we

22:10

surrounded? Work is this thing is

22:12

circling? Are camped? move? repositioning? Either

22:15

way, Either. Way as you know,

22:17

I'm feeling sick to my stomach because if

22:19

there's more than one. What?

22:21

Are we gonna do? If it's the

22:23

same one, why is it moving around us in

22:25

a circle? And so.

22:29

Trying to figure out what's going on, If

22:31

it's more than one or the communicating

22:33

with each other, something going to happen. And.

22:37

Two of my buddies are facing down to the south.

22:39

The. To the south for like. One.

22:41

My car and and I still. Facing.

22:44

The. North. Treeline right

22:46

and we're looking out. And.

22:49

As we're hearing street auctions or glazer a

22:51

book was a sense what kind of strafing

22:53

the area like we're trying to figure it

22:55

out. And. I'm.

22:58

Like dude, we're. We're. Kind

23:00

of split between aiming and looking.

23:03

To the north, tree lined the south tree

23:05

line, the other to the east and west.

23:07

the darkness in the field. We.

23:10

Are. Completely. Exposed.

23:13

So. We've. Got. Our

23:16

focus and attention split between the North in

23:18

the south for you on. And.

23:21

We were in the middle of our

23:23

camp around our campfire. And.

23:25

We. Got an. All.

23:27

Around us and so we can.

23:31

We gotta weapons off. but I mean if

23:33

something happened we can't. We can start

23:35

firing jump fire into the chance. To.

23:38

We gotta push out. So.

23:40

We realized how can we gotta get outside the

23:42

perimeter. And as we're getting

23:44

outside the perimeter, I'm thinking oh My. God.

23:47

We're. Illuminated. We're.

23:50

In the middle of this campfire? Whatever.

23:53

Is out there to see us? And.

23:55

We can't see it. And

23:57

I'm sliding the herds. I know, I've got a

23:59

stuff. Outside the perimeter and my other bodies

24:02

are was fighting the instinct i'm not have

24:04

to go up, we gotta like kids to

24:06

protect. We got older adults. Stop number you

24:08

got other people there we don't fire watch.

24:11

Sit down, don't you move you say right

24:13

here. Do Not Move. And so

24:15

we push out right. And so will Push Push

24:17

push push the we move between the chance to

24:19

the outside of the perimeter, right to the outer

24:21

part of the glow of the camp. And so

24:24

we got. The. The campfire

24:26

behind us at our backs. And

24:29

where? I don't know. Maybe. Three.

24:31

To five feet outside the tent.

24:33

Boy. Said. I.

24:36

Just imagine what it must be seeing. If.

24:39

We are little black silhouette. So

24:41

we're We're illuminated and I'm trying

24:43

to focus my eyes out into

24:45

this pitch black darkness west. There.

24:48

Was no moon, no stars.

24:51

Just. From the edge of the glow. Of

24:54

our camp. Fire beyond. Beyond.

24:56

Where. The the white had extended from

24:59

the bonfire. Also.

25:01

That sense the Gp Ten getting in

25:03

the way of that. White.

25:05

Right nurse. The shadows are playing tricks on you

25:07

and you know the flickering of the flame and

25:10

a dirt good my I got. Our eyes are

25:12

trying to adjust to the darkness, And

25:15

and I was so frustrated at that moment

25:17

because I read that we didn't have any

25:19

and Bee Gees, I didn't have any Flir,

25:21

you know, thermal sites or anything. We

25:24

we were just going camping with the kids. Why? why

25:26

would we need a disease, right? So I didn't even

25:29

think about grabbing my Bushnell. Ah, which

25:31

I'll never make that mistake again. I

25:34

learned that lesson any time we we ever

25:36

go out into the field. In.

25:40

Our in our and my version and or something

25:42

else to. I've always wondered about which we come

25:44

circle back to at a later time. I

25:47

wonder if they're able to see in

25:49

the infrared spectrum? Be.

25:51

A really are able

25:53

to vocalize in the

25:55

infrasound spectrum. A

25:58

wonder if their vision. An

26:01

infrared spectrum would be if I checked

26:03

on my night vision. Would.

26:06

It be able to see. You. Know

26:08

got the glow of the I are so

26:10

what an Ak? Sorry I'm. You.

26:12

Know the mind rambles and thanks. So.

26:16

My. Eyes you're trying to adjust to the darkness.

26:19

And I'm working out. I've got no night vision.

26:21

And. On yoga rock comes

26:24

flying again over my body's ideals

26:26

and we all have. And then

26:28

it hit. The. Center of

26:30

a retail. And.

26:33

Exhausted, offering a great life

26:35

and cinders. smoke going up

26:37

an illuminated everything for a

26:39

moment. A. Man,

26:41

I'm trembling, right? I am not

26:43

able. To control how my

26:45

body is. A journalism on dumping

26:47

adrenaline into my body. and I'd

26:50

never been. Man. Are all

26:52

my experience everything I've been through I

26:54

have never felt that kind of fear.

26:56

I mean it was is literally felt

26:59

like wife and gas. And

27:01

not my life and death about just me.

27:03

It's the people and the kids that

27:05

we after cortex. And. I.

27:08

Remember standing at the edge of the

27:10

glow, looking out into the darkness? Terrified

27:13

might might my shotgun it for.

27:15

my hands are shaking. The.

27:17

Weapons wobbling and my hands on trying to

27:20

pull my shit together. And.

27:23

It all of a sudden. Gets. Completely

27:25

silent. For. I think is

27:27

already been silenced. What? I just

27:30

noticed good at that point. So

27:32

I'm looking out into the darkness. I got

27:34

no in the geez, I've got no vision

27:37

beyond. You. Know. Maybe.

27:39

Five meters past where I am. It's

27:43

pitch black. And. Is dead

27:45

silent. Know. Crickets.

27:48

No. Free frogs. Nothing.

27:51

There's. No owl hoots. There is no sound

27:54

of animal life whatsoever. It was kind

27:56

of showing. like it with blood curdling

27:58

and away right my blood radical. I'm

28:00

like god it's at were in the middle of

28:02

the woods and it dead silent. So.

28:05

We're spread out where out

28:07

where outside got the perimeter

28:09

of our. Campsite. Just.

28:12

Beyond the glow of the campfire, so

28:15

that. You. Are I can adjust to

28:17

the darkness and were standing out there for

28:19

a few minutes. And.and then I

28:21

hear the infamous.in for of. The.

28:24

Infrasound. again. There was no

28:26

yell. This. Time there was no

28:28

yell know screen the wow there was

28:30

no vocalization of anyway. Hour of

28:32

work. Have any guide. When.

28:36

I shall to reverb. In my

28:38

ducks again. With. Out. Cheering.

28:40

The yell. And.

28:43

What? move? In that

28:45

moment, what really freaks me out with.

28:49

Was. Whatever.

28:51

This thing is is massive. You.

28:54

Sit wanted to. It

28:56

it'll it'll It tore through our camp like a locomotive

28:59

and there's nothing we could have done to stop it.

29:01

I. Don't I don't. I remember thinking

29:03

that. I. Got twelve shots.

29:06

right? I got twelve shells in a

29:08

shotgun. And. Auto know it's going

29:10

do a damn thing. And

29:13

it's dead silent. And this, this was the

29:15

scariest part because nothing had happened right? Workable.

29:18

Iraq's got the road. There.

29:20

Was loud, Intimidating. Orderly.

29:23

Intimidating vocalizations, the

29:25

tree knocking, For.

29:28

There was nothing. Get. All on

29:30

we never saw it. So. He

29:32

was just sound, but he was close. Wherever

29:34

it was, it was entirely too close that

29:36

it was. You. Know if it's

29:38

it's right. There is danger

29:41

close. And.

29:43

You. Try to focus is dead

29:45

silent and and I remember

29:47

thinking. You. Know it's gonna

29:50

care if you are tail and. Part

29:52

of the reason why we had to push

29:54

out beyond. The. Line was good. I wish.

29:57

We. Had be able to adjust to the darkness

29:59

and see what. Whatever this thing is,

30:01

if there was multiple, if

30:03

they ran fact through the camp, if

30:05

they came bounding in, what

30:08

if it snatched somebody? They

30:10

came out of the darkness, jumped into the light,

30:12

grabbed someone and jumped and disappeared back into

30:14

the darkness. They would have been

30:16

erased, right? They would have gone, now what

30:19

are we going to do? How are we going to track,

30:21

trace anybody down? The

30:23

last thing that I, there

30:26

is no possible way that

30:28

I could go back to town and

30:31

have to tell a parent that

30:34

a Sasquatch ran off with their kid. How

30:38

do you explain something like that to

30:40

somebody? The psychosis

30:43

of how crazy that sounds. So

30:46

in that moment, right, I knew, okay, we got

30:48

to push with every, we have to protect

30:50

these kids, we got to get outside the perimeter of

30:52

the tents. So that's when we

30:54

pushed out into the darkness was because whatever

30:56

is coming, if anything is

30:58

coming, because whatever it is, sounds

31:01

aggressive. But there hasn't

31:03

been any moves made yet. It has not encroached far

31:05

enough into the light for us to see it. But

31:08

I would rather die than lose

31:10

a kid and have to go back to

31:12

town and try to convince a parent that

31:15

a damn Bigfoot snatched

31:17

their kid and ran off into the forest. So

31:20

I figured, you know, it's

31:22

got, it's got to, it's going to get through me before

31:24

it gets to any of these kids. So

31:27

we pushed out outside the fence line. So

31:30

or I'm sorry, outside the outside the

31:32

tents, right outside the perimeter. So in

31:36

my mind, the safety of

31:38

the kids is top priority. Whatever

31:42

it is has to get through me first, and I'm

31:44

going to do everything I can, everything possible to protect

31:46

these kids. But if it's going to snatch somebody and

31:48

yank someone into the woods, it's got to be me

31:50

before any of these kids. Or it's got to be

31:52

one of the other staff members. It's got to be

31:54

an adult, the kids take top priority. So

31:58

we push out a little bit further. further and I'm right at the

32:01

edge of the glow of the

32:03

bonfire and I hear

32:06

the reverb again and

32:09

there was no more train knocks. I

32:12

just felt the vibration in my chest. So

32:18

we stayed. We had our weapons up,

32:21

trained out, trying

32:25

to keep the

32:27

camp to our backs as much as possible

32:30

but the scary thing though on top

32:32

of it is in all of

32:34

this, right? Your body is adrenalizing.

32:36

You're trying to figure out exactly

32:39

what the hell is going on. You're

32:41

trying to justify what you're hearing. You're

32:43

trying to make sense of it all and

32:45

as we were scanning, right? There's nothing.

32:48

You can't see anything. It's pitch black and we're just kind

32:51

of, you know, we're training our weapon,

32:53

right? We're

32:55

creating manageable sections of fire. So

32:59

as I'm, you know, strafing from left

33:01

to right, my eyes are struggling. I

33:03

mean struggling, trying to see the tree

33:05

line. I can't see the trees. I

33:07

can't see anything. It's pitch black like

33:11

a dark blanket was thrown over

33:13

the entire area. I couldn't even see the

33:15

top of the tree line up against the

33:17

sky. I don't know what

33:19

happened. I can't explain why I couldn't

33:21

see the top of the trees. It

33:24

was just pitch black. And

33:26

as I'm strafing and I'm scanning, I don't

33:29

see anything. I'm not hearing anything. And

33:33

then I'm wondering, oh my

33:35

God, if something happens, we start firing and we

33:37

start dumping. Are

33:40

there any houses on the

33:42

other side of this tree line that we're not aware

33:44

of? The owner of the property, what direction is their

33:46

house in? If we start firing, how

33:48

far, you know, a couple of these guys got

33:50

ARs. How far are these rounds going to

33:52

go? Where's the nearest road?

33:55

We start firing. God forbid, is a round going

33:57

to impact the vehicle pass away? And

33:59

so now we're thinking. thinking, oh my God, I don't want to fire because

34:02

I can't see where the rounds are going. I don't

34:04

have a natural burn. And

34:06

so then I realized, okay, this

34:09

is whatever is going to happen.

34:11

It has to be up close. You

34:13

can't and obviously you

34:16

can't just go firing into the darkness, right?

34:18

You have to have target acquisition. You can't

34:20

squeeze your trigger until you've properly identified your

34:22

target and verify that it's a threat. But

34:26

we realized that it had to be danger close.

34:30

I yelled over the other guys. I'm like, hey, tuck in,

34:32

pull in, right? And so we pulled back in a little

34:34

bit so that this way, whatever it

34:36

was, it would have to come into

34:38

the light in order for us to see

34:40

it and get sights on it.

34:43

So all that

34:45

to span the time from

34:47

like 0130 till

34:50

about, I don't know, 0200 somewhere.

34:53

I mean, it was about 30 minutes, maybe 40

34:55

minutes, all of it. But it seemed like it

34:57

was just rapid so fast, one thing after another

35:00

after another. Because when you're when you're adrenalizing time,

35:02

man, time just zips by. A

35:05

lot of people say, oh, time slows down.

35:07

Bullshit. It speeds up.

35:09

And in that moment, do you crumble

35:11

or do you get up and do your job? And

35:15

so you forget

35:17

everything in that moment when

35:19

your body has you had a full adrenaline

35:21

dump, and you're not able to control the

35:25

rate at which you are adrenalized, you're not able

35:27

to control the stages of

35:29

moving into flow state. And

35:32

when that happens, that's a dangerous spot because

35:34

now your vision is

35:36

impaired, your thought processes are not

35:39

what they should be, right? You're not able to make smooth

35:42

calculated decisions. Time

35:45

there's like a time dilation, it shifts.

35:48

And so all that you have to take a second, pull,

35:51

you know, you got to pull your shit together, take

35:53

a deep breath, exhale,

35:58

and then execute, right? work

36:00

and you understand that whatever

36:03

is going to happen is going to happen but

36:05

these are the hazards of my chosen profession. So

36:08

I'm not a school teacher, I'm not

36:11

an insurance salesman. This is what

36:13

we're here for and now that once

36:17

again, we've got that feeling while

36:21

on a camping trip, needing

36:23

to protect a group of kids, I

36:26

had never felt fear like that ever in my life.

36:29

So we pulled in and

36:31

we obviously, none of us were going to be able

36:33

to go back to sleep. So

36:35

we tucked in, we got a little

36:37

bit closer, we kind of stayed inside

36:41

up against the tents, right between

36:43

the tents. So we weren't outside the wire

36:46

anymore. We pulled in, we were between the

36:48

tents, the glow from the bonfire had reached

36:50

out, I don't know, 5 to 10 meters

36:52

or something like that. So we

36:54

were able to see anything that would have came in

36:57

to breach our perimeter. But

37:00

nothing ever happened. Sometime

37:03

I guess around 0400 maybe, it was weird.

37:07

It was like the density and the air

37:09

changed. The

37:11

quality of air shifted. The

37:14

activity had ceased. It had been quiet for

37:16

maybe 90 minutes, 2 hours and

37:18

then the air density

37:20

changed. And then we

37:22

just stayed up on watch for the rest of the

37:25

night until the dawn, the sun started to crack and

37:27

come up over the horizon. And

37:31

we didn't even wait to have

37:34

breakfast or anything. As soon

37:36

as light came up, we got everybody

37:38

up and we had everybody starting to

37:40

break down. We

37:43

broke camp and packed

37:45

up and left. And

37:49

yeah, I don't know. I know

37:51

my story is not as sexy as others because we never

37:53

saw it. I never saw anything. But

37:58

the sounds, I'll never forget. at

38:00

those sounds, man, I almost filled my diaper

38:02

when I heard that yell and

38:04

the reverberation. Whatever

38:07

we experienced, it was not

38:11

something in the normal natural

38:13

world that you experienced on

38:16

a day-to-day basis. So we

38:18

just couldn't wait to get out of there. So we

38:20

pulled up 10 pegs, packed everybody up and we got

38:22

out. And I

38:24

don't know, if nothing else, I think

38:27

that was its

38:30

polite way of negotiating with

38:32

us, saying, you're

38:34

not welcome, don't come back. That

38:37

was a kind way of saying, get off my lawn. Yeah,

38:41

that's a scary night, John. I

38:43

always say, it's almost worse when

38:45

you don't see it as

38:47

opposed to when you do see it. Because at

38:49

least when you see it, you

38:51

can anticipate what it's going to do,

38:54

its movement and what it's going

38:56

to do next. When you don't see it, that

38:59

fear becomes like 10 times as bad.

39:02

And the vocalization that you guys heard,

39:04

I know this was back a couple

39:06

of years ago, and you've been

39:09

looking into it since then, had you

39:11

found any vocalization that kind of matches

39:13

what you guys heard that night? Not

39:18

really. I've

39:21

heard some recordings,

39:24

but a lot of stuff that

39:26

I've heard are like whoops and howls. And

39:29

I've heard a couple of yells. There

39:32

was one that sounded sort

39:34

of like it. It

39:36

sounded masculine, sounded very masculine, but

39:39

it didn't have the other layers

39:42

on it. Now I don't

39:45

know if that's because it was a recording. And

39:51

not really. I've only heard one

39:53

thing that sounded similar, but it was

39:56

missing. the

40:00

other like two

40:02

or you know the other sets of vocal

40:05

chords or pitches and octaves on it. But

40:09

now only one yell but it wasn't

40:11

the same. I haven't heard anything in

40:14

any other recordings that sounded like it. Yeah

40:16

I know what you mean about

40:18

the multiple vocal chords. They

40:21

have a weird way of vocalizing

40:23

and I know Jim Sherman he

40:26

captured one on a Michigan property

40:29

and when you look at it well when I

40:31

hear it I hear multiple vocal chords but when

40:33

you look at it under a spectrograph it's

40:36

not a normal it's

40:39

not like any animal I've ever heard

40:41

and it's not human whatever this thing

40:43

is vocalizing. But I

40:45

almost wonder if you guys heard

40:47

have you ever heard the Ohio howl?

40:51

Um I'm sorry I can't

40:53

recall offhand. I'm still I've

40:55

been doing research and trying to make

40:58

sense of what had happened. Yeah

41:01

and I respect that very much Sean.

41:04

The Ohio howl was captured I believe in

41:06

94 by Matt

41:09

Moneymaker but I've had

41:11

this weird vocalization sent to me from

41:13

many different states. I'll play it for

41:15

you here in a second. This

41:18

one I'll play comes from Maine. A

41:20

listener sent this to me and

41:22

if my memory is right this was

41:24

going on on his property. Let's take

41:27

a listen. There

42:01

And again, that was from Maine. This

42:04

next one is the actual Ohio

42:07

howl. That's

42:38

the one that I was referring to, yes. It

42:41

sounded masculine, it was long and drawn out, but

42:44

the one that I heard, the one

42:46

that we heard was sustained about

42:49

25 seconds. It

42:51

wasn't one voice that kind of went up and

42:53

then came down and it went back up. It

42:56

was sustained. It

42:59

was like, it felt like it was letting

43:01

us know, this is

43:03

my territory, it was just, and

43:07

it sustained it in

43:10

one breath. And

43:13

it did it, we heard that multiple

43:15

times and it was the same each time.

43:20

But I think that's the

43:22

one that I was referring to, sounded

43:24

masculine, but it only sounds

43:26

like one voice, right? It kind of sounds

43:28

human, but it's

43:31

not. It's

43:33

not human. Humans don't

43:36

get that big. It's

43:38

impossible for a human to sustain the length

43:40

of a yell that long. The

43:42

lung capacity is just not that large, physically

43:45

impossible. Yeah, and

43:47

I was telling you off the air,

43:49

John, that Tana Washington has a notorious

43:52

reputation for these things. I mean,

43:56

there are so many encounters that come out of

43:58

there and it's not a very big There's

44:00

not a lot of people there. If

44:02

you're going up and down I-5, if

44:05

you blink, you'll miss it. So

44:08

much comes out of there. You

44:10

know, you're talking 20 meters away out

44:12

there in the dark, which is what,

44:14

about 60, 65

44:16

feet. It's pretty close. When

44:20

it was vocalizing, was it that close to you?

44:22

I mean, do you think it was relatively

44:25

in that range? I

44:29

couldn't tell you. I wasn't sure. Whatever

44:32

it was, it was

44:34

too close for comfort. I can tell you that.

44:36

It was loud. I mean, it

44:39

wasn't like it was ear

44:41

piercing, but it

44:44

was close. It was close enough that it

44:46

made you back up, like you

44:48

wanted to take a couple of steps back. If

44:52

I remember correctly, it made

44:54

me stumble backwards. I

44:57

felt so helpless. Now, I'm

44:59

a Marine. I've

45:02

got close quarters hand-to-hand

45:04

training, CQB training, studied

45:08

multiple disciplines of martial arts. I've got black

45:10

belts. I

45:12

felt utterly helpless. I

45:14

felt completely helpless. Even being

45:16

armed, hand-to-hand training. Man,

45:21

whatever this thing was, I had a

45:25

feeling that it would have taken

45:27

me apart. It

45:29

would have just ripped me in half. Or I mean, ripped

45:32

one of my limbs out. I don't think I would have been able

45:34

to stand up to... There's

45:36

nothing I could have done. I felt utterly

45:38

helpless. And it was entirely too close.

45:41

I don't know if it vocalized that close

45:43

or if it vocalized and then got closer

45:45

and knocked on the trees. It

45:48

couldn't have been... Well, the

45:50

third vocalization sounded a little further away, maybe

45:52

100 feet or so. Yeah.

45:57

And going back to your comment about them.

46:00

multiple vocal cords. I

46:02

know what you mean when you say that. I

46:04

mean when these things vocalize, nothing

46:06

about it sounds right. But

46:09

as this thing was vocalizing

46:11

and you're listening to its

46:13

cadence and how it's vocalizing,

46:16

do you think it was

46:18

the same one that was vocalizing? Or do you

46:20

think there was multiple of

46:22

these things around you vocalizing at

46:25

you? See,

46:27

that's why I was curious if it was repositioning

46:30

because it kind of sounded, it

46:33

sounded the same. The third

46:35

one sounded further away, so I wasn't able

46:37

to really tell. But

46:41

that one didn't sustain the full length

46:43

of time. So the first one, it

46:46

was a short, it was

46:48

a short yell, short burst, right? Maybe, I

46:51

don't know, seven to ten seconds, right? And

46:53

that's what woke us up and, or not

46:55

woke us up, but that's what got us

46:57

out of our tents, right? So that first one,

47:00

seven to ten

47:02

seconds, and we were like,

47:04

what the f... We were stumbling

47:06

to get out of our tents to find out what

47:08

is going on because it was too close. It's like,

47:10

is that in the camp? And

47:12

so that was a short burst. The

47:15

second vocalization was a long,

47:18

sustained 25 seconds or something like

47:20

that. And that's

47:22

when we were stumbling back into our tents to,

47:26

you know, draw, get out our firearms, get

47:28

back out of the tent, and

47:30

we're drawing up. We've got our weapons up

47:32

in the shoulder. We're at the ready,

47:35

and the voice is still going. It's still vocalizing.

47:39

And then the third one that

47:41

we heard from across the field

47:43

in the other tree line, that

47:46

one was another shorter, short

47:48

burst. But again, it

47:50

sounded like there were two or three sets

47:52

of voices in the

47:54

same voice. Thinking

47:57

back on it now, I don't think that it was... multiple,

48:00

I think it was the same one, just

48:03

encircling us and trying to intimidate us saying, hey, get

48:05

out of here, beat it. Hey, you're

48:07

not welcome, leave. And I think it

48:09

was moving around, you know,

48:11

just trying to shoo us away, even

48:14

in the midst of all that fear and

48:17

not knowing what's going on, trying to rationalize

48:19

what's happening, really looking back on

48:21

it. It was a

48:23

peaceful negotiator, really. I mean, it didn't

48:25

do anything. It didn't harm any of us. I

48:27

think that was just its, you

48:30

know, very intense, polite way of saying,

48:32

get off my lawn. Yeah.

48:35

And I'm grateful that no one was hurt

48:37

that night. And you

48:39

know, you talked about the air changing. You

48:42

know, when these things are around, it's like

48:44

the air felt heavy. And I

48:46

know what you mean. I mean, when

48:48

these things are around, you feel them

48:51

prior to actually seeing them. It's

48:55

hard to describe or hard to

48:58

articulate. It's almost dread,

49:01

I guess is the word. But

49:03

a lot of weird things happen, you know, like

49:05

the force takes a deep breath, all of a

49:07

sudden, everything shuts off, the insect shut off, everything

49:10

shuts off. And that

49:13

feeling that you had of the air

49:15

becoming heavy, it almost

49:17

feels like unnatural. Completely.

49:22

You know, I've been shot at, you

49:24

know, I've been shot when

49:30

all of your senses change, your

49:34

vision blurs, and then it gets

49:36

sharp, your senses are heightened.

49:39

But I had

49:42

never experienced a

49:44

shift in air density before.

49:48

Like I said, it was kind of like a blanket

49:50

got thrown over the area. It

49:52

was the air just seemed

49:54

thicker. Somehow. Like

49:57

I said, it wasn't moisture. It

50:00

wasn't humidity, it just seemed thicker.

50:04

And then around, you know, I don't

50:06

know, maybe 90 minutes or, you know, 90 minutes or

50:08

two hours or so, it lifted slowly. But

50:12

it was noticeable though. That's the thing. When

50:15

everything first started happening, it

50:17

just seemed to go super quick, right? Like one thing

50:19

after another, it was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

50:21

And it was difficult to try to, you

50:25

know, make sense of everything that was happening.

50:27

But after things got quiet and

50:30

everything had been silent, the

50:34

lifting of the air

50:36

density that were the shift in the air density, the lifting,

50:38

it's kind of weird to say, but it kind of

50:40

felt like the lifting of the veil made

50:44

it easier to breathe. I

50:47

had, you know, four

50:49

other veterans that were armed and

50:53

none of us felt secure,

50:55

none of us felt safe.

50:57

And afterwards, one of my buddies

50:59

who had, he had 90 rounds of 5.56,

51:01

he had three 30-round magazines

51:04

with him. And

51:07

he said something similar to me. He said, bro, I

51:09

don't know if I had enough. He goes, if

51:11

I unloaded a whole magazine and

51:14

ejected the mag, popped in a new mag and

51:16

still went back, he goes, I felt

51:18

like I didn't have enough ammo. So

51:20

I don't know, but when the

51:23

air, the air density

51:25

changed, it was almost like you

51:27

could take a sigh

51:29

of relief, right? Like, okay, I think

51:31

things are normal now, right? Things have gone back to

51:34

normal. Like it didn't feel...

51:38

So it was kind of like, you

51:40

know, when someone's looking at you, you know, you're sitting at

51:42

a red light, you know, and

51:44

you can just feel someone in another car is looking

51:47

at you. Or if you're, you

51:49

know, you're sitting in the library and you're reading and

51:51

you just get that feeling,

51:53

someone's looking at you. And it's

51:55

not even like you look up and look around. You

51:57

know the direction that it's coming from, right? weird.

52:00

It's like a sound

52:03

so crazy, but like ESP and

52:05

you know, I don't know about

52:08

psychic or any of that stuff. But

52:11

you know, when you're being watched, you know, when

52:13

you're being looked at, and you always tend to

52:15

lift your eyes and look up in that

52:18

direction, there's almost a

52:20

channel, you know, or there's some type of

52:22

a draw that pulls you in that direction.

52:25

And it's kind of like that, but the strange thing

52:27

was, and you may be 100% right, there may

52:31

have been multiple. I'm not

52:33

an expert. I don't know the difference between, you

52:35

know, I don't know, it could have been two

52:37

males that were talking to each other. But that

52:41

was something that made me nervous was, are

52:44

they in a group? Is there a tribe of them? How many

52:46

are there? Yeah,

52:48

and it's terrifying the way they come

52:50

into a camp. I mean, they it's

52:52

almost like military precision is the way

52:54

they actually come in. And

52:56

you know, I interviewed Rocky

52:59

Elmore, and I know what you mean about

53:01

that feeling of being watched. And what

53:04

was strange is the government train

53:06

these, Rocky Elmore was a border

53:09

patrol agent. And

53:11

the way the government trains these

53:13

guys is they would set up

53:15

ambush spots around areas

53:17

where people would cross the border,

53:20

and they would ambush them and arrest them.

53:23

But what's fascinating is the way

53:25

the government train these guys was

53:27

to look at the ground

53:29

when the people are going by. And I

53:32

asked Rocky, why is that? Why are you

53:34

guys looking at the ground? And he said,

53:36

because people know when they're being watched. And

53:38

so if you look at the ground, no

53:41

one gets their spidey senses going off. So

53:44

I definitely know what you mean. And you had

53:47

made a comment about, you know, if

53:50

they can project their voice into this

53:52

infrasound spectrum, maybe they

53:54

can see in a different

53:56

spectrum that we can't. And

53:59

I interviewed guy one time. He had

54:02

these things on his property and he

54:04

had a camera. I know the camera

54:06

he had because I did the exact

54:08

same one. It was a Canon and

54:10

it's a cool camera. It's a daytime

54:12

camera but what's cool about it is

54:14

that night you can actually click on

54:16

the starlight scope. And

54:18

if you can't see far enough, you can

54:21

click on the IR light. He

54:23

had seen these two creatures on his

54:25

property and he wasn't sure

54:27

if, am I looking at shadows? What am I

54:29

looking at? So he clicked on the IR light

54:31

while it looked these things up. The

54:33

minute he did that, these

54:36

two creatures turned and looked

54:38

directly in his direction. So

54:40

I think that they can see in that spectrum.

54:43

You went from thinking

54:46

Bigfoot was, hey, it's cool stories to tell

54:48

around a campfire but at the end of

54:50

the day, it's all BS. After

54:52

this experience, how did it kind of affect

54:54

you? I

55:01

walked away from that place knowing

55:05

that Sasquatch exists. I

55:08

don't even want to say that

55:11

I believe in Sasquatch. Even

55:15

though I didn't see it,

55:17

I know that there's

55:19

some species out there that exists right

55:22

beyond an outside

55:24

of our society,

55:27

outside of the human expanse

55:31

of growing neighborhoods and

55:33

the human

55:36

society. There's something that's

55:38

beyond it. And the more

55:41

that we expand in

55:43

our population, the further we

55:45

encroach into its natural habitat.

55:48

And so maybe that's why we're hearing

55:50

more and more stories because people

55:53

are venturing further and further out into their

55:55

land and the more you think of all

55:57

the different cities and different directions

56:00

and people go out, right? I mean, I

56:02

think of it as like raindrops

56:05

in a pond. Every time the raindrop

56:08

strikes the water, there's a ripple that goes out in a

56:10

different direction. Well, if there's a lot of ripples,

56:12

right? If there's a lot of raindrops, then

56:15

it's all rippling in different directions and they're

56:17

crossing over each other. So it's

56:19

only natural that people from different

56:21

towns and cities and counties going

56:24

out into the wilderness to go camping

56:26

or hiking or whatever, we're

56:29

crisscrossing over each other and

56:32

moving further and further into their

56:34

habitat, you know, into their natural territories.

56:37

So saying that

56:40

I believe at Bigfoot is

56:42

that is a collection of words that I never thought would

56:44

come out of my mouth. Yeah,

56:47

and I understand the way you feel.

56:49

I mean, it's a hard pill to

56:52

swallow, especially when after an experience like

56:54

this, I wanted to

56:56

ask you, you know, did you guys ever go

56:58

back to the guy that owned the property

57:00

and asked him, you know, what the hell is

57:02

going on around your property? So

57:05

I didn't. But the

57:08

other staff member who was associated

57:10

with them spoke to him and

57:13

said, you know, hey, we had

57:15

this experience. And he

57:17

said, oh, yeah, he goes that that happens. And he

57:19

goes, yeah, there's we

57:21

hear we hear it all the time. I

57:24

don't know if it's only a secondhand account,

57:26

because I didn't speak to him. But from

57:28

what I heard, he has seen it,

57:30

or he has seen them on

57:34

more than one occasion being out on the property as

57:36

a large property. So he's out there on a four

57:38

wheeler doing different things. And

57:40

he said that, you know, he's experienced things,

57:43

you know, a handful of times. And what?

57:46

I don't know. That's a secondhand account. I can't verify

57:48

that. So I don't want to say anything. But yes,

57:51

the the owner of the land said

57:53

that he was aware, you know, that

57:55

there was activity out there. Yeah,

57:58

that would have been a nice piece of information. you

58:00

guys had prior to taking

58:03

a bunch of kids out there to this

58:05

property. You know, I

58:07

asked everyone on the show, what do

58:09

you think Sasquatch is? And there's no

58:11

wrong answer, John, because no one really

58:13

knows. But what do you think

58:15

Sasquatch is? You

58:18

know, that's a tricky question. It's multifaceted.

58:21

I definitely feel like it's a flesh and

58:23

blood physical

58:26

creature, but there was a spiritual component

58:28

to it. There was an aspect of

58:30

a spirituality to

58:32

it. And I can't put my

58:35

finger on it. I can't denote what, I

58:37

can't explain it. But

58:39

there was a very surreal

58:42

spiritual thing. And I mean,

58:44

and I don't want to be, you know,

58:46

I know it's so cliche, I don't want to be

58:49

that guy that's like, oh, you know, Gigantopithecus.

58:51

But I mean, really, I mean,

58:54

perhaps it's an offshoot of that, you

58:56

know, maybe perhaps it's some descendant of

58:59

something that had survived Noah's flood. I'm

59:02

not sure. But I mean, we do know,

59:04

we do know for a fact that Gigantopithecus

59:06

was a, you know,

59:08

a species that existed. We have proof

59:10

of that. So whether this is

59:13

an offshoot of it, you know,

59:15

as anybody's guess, I don't know. But what

59:17

I do know is, with

59:20

so many accounts from around the

59:22

world, at different periods

59:24

of time, when there

59:26

was no communication between people, right?

59:29

People weren't even sailing

59:31

on ships going to different continents yet,

59:33

right? But you've got the Yeti that's

59:36

in the

59:38

Himalayas, right? You've

59:40

got, I forget what they're called, but there's

59:42

there's a species down

59:44

in Australia. On

59:47

every continent, you have

59:49

ancient civilizations that talk about

59:52

this gigantic wild

59:54

man that that lives out in

59:56

the woods. And, you

59:58

know, when you take all the continents you piece them

1:00:00

together, you put it all together, right? You got Pangea.

1:00:03

So, the

1:00:05

same way that, you know,

1:00:07

human beings are different races

1:00:10

and colors and creeds, white

1:00:13

people, black people, Asians, Native

1:00:15

Americans, we spread

1:00:17

out, right? So Pangea was one

1:00:19

landmass. And then, when

1:00:22

the continents separated, these

1:00:25

different species, I believe that, you know,

1:00:27

had gone to different areas, they

1:00:30

migrated out the same way that humans did. And

1:00:32

when Pangea broke apart and split up in

1:00:34

the continents, moved away from each other, I think

1:00:38

these, you know,

1:00:40

the genus ended up evolving

1:00:42

to its natural habitat that, you

1:00:45

know, wherever it had ended up

1:00:47

at. But these civilizations

1:00:49

had no means of communication with each

1:00:51

other. So, you

1:00:54

cannot discount multiple

1:00:58

civilizations on different continents that

1:01:00

had no way of communicating

1:01:02

with each other. And

1:01:05

they've all got stories that are all

1:01:07

very similar. So they're different,

1:01:09

but they're the same. And I find that

1:01:11

fascinating. So there's something definitely out there. Yeah,

1:01:15

you're right. They're seen all over the

1:01:17

world. And, you know,

1:01:19

Australia has the Yowie, you know,

1:01:22

you got the Urine, you got

1:01:24

the Olmas in Russia, you got,

1:01:26

I mean, they're all over

1:01:29

the world. And I had the privilege

1:01:31

of talking to some Vietnam veterans that

1:01:34

had encounters with what they called the

1:01:37

rock apes and, you know,

1:01:39

older men now, good guys. And I had the

1:01:41

privilege of chatting with them and I asked them,

1:01:43

you sure it wasn't some other, you know, at

1:01:46

this time, I think in Sasquatch is some non-human

1:01:48

primate we haven't caught up with. And I asked

1:01:51

them, you know, you sure it wasn't some

1:01:53

primate you guys were just running into because

1:01:55

Vietnam has other primates. And these

1:01:57

guys were like, no, these were very, very

1:01:59

different. than the local

1:02:01

primates running around, you know, the

1:02:04

non-human primates. And so

1:02:06

it does make you wonder, and I

1:02:08

understand too about the spiritual side you're

1:02:11

talking about because when you're

1:02:13

confronted with one of these sayings,

1:02:15

fear doesn't even describe the feeling

1:02:18

that you have. You

1:02:20

know, I've come across two black bear and thank

1:02:23

God they both ran off. And

1:02:25

I was scared, and I've come

1:02:27

across one cougar here in Washington,

1:02:29

and you know, the cougars in

1:02:31

Washington are pretty big, you know,

1:02:33

they'll wreck your day, wreck your

1:02:36

world. And luckily it

1:02:38

wanted nothing to do with me, but I

1:02:40

was scared. When you

1:02:42

come across these sayings, fear doesn't

1:02:44

begin to describe the feeling. It's

1:02:47

almost like it's beyond fear. It's

1:02:49

almost like at any

1:02:51

moment your life is going to be taken. Yes,

1:02:54

100%. You're

1:02:56

right on target. I mean, you're hitting the nail on the

1:02:58

head. It's a completely

1:03:01

different level of fear. You

1:03:03

know, I've been in situations where my life has been

1:03:05

at risk in armed conflict.

1:03:09

I've been out hunting, you

1:03:11

know, I've come across mountain lion and

1:03:13

bear. I've heard all

1:03:16

manner of different animals. And

1:03:19

even when I saw a bear, you know, you're

1:03:21

scared because you're like, oh, you know, is it

1:03:24

hungry? Is it going to come for me? Or,

1:03:26

you know, you're scared. There's a level of fear,

1:03:28

right? Your instinct for natural,

1:03:30

you know, self-preservation kicks in.

1:03:33

This was an entirely

1:03:36

different situation.

1:03:40

Fear doesn't even begin to cover

1:03:42

it. There's

1:03:45

not another word that I know of that

1:03:48

describes the level of,

1:03:50

what's the

1:03:52

word I'm looking for here? Like

1:03:54

detriment to your life. I

1:03:57

don't know. I had never felt fear like

1:03:59

that ever. And with the

1:04:01

way the air density changed, that's something

1:04:03

that really sticks with me. Because

1:04:07

even in these fearful situations, I've

1:04:10

never felt like the air

1:04:13

quality changed. I've never

1:04:15

experienced an enemy

1:04:17

or a dangerous

1:04:19

situation where I

1:04:22

felt that it was harder to

1:04:24

breathe, the air was thicker and then once

1:04:27

it was over, then

1:04:30

the air thinned out or became a...

1:04:32

I can't explain it, but there is

1:04:35

a level of... There's

1:04:41

a spiritual component that is associated

1:04:44

with this creature. I believe

1:04:47

it's flesh and blood, but there's... I mean,

1:04:49

I don't know if it's

1:04:51

interdimensional. I don't know

1:04:54

if it phases or phase shifts and

1:04:56

I don't want to say teleport or

1:04:58

anything like that. But I mean,

1:05:01

here I am talking about Bigfoot and I would

1:05:03

say I don't want to get outside the realm

1:05:05

of possibility talking about teleportation. When

1:05:09

the daylight came up and the

1:05:11

sunrise cracked over the horizon and we began

1:05:13

packing up, I had

1:05:16

no desire to go out

1:05:18

into the tree line to go look for

1:05:21

prints or fur that might have

1:05:23

snagged on a twig or anything like that. I

1:05:27

just wanted to pack up and get my kids out of there to safety.

1:05:30

So I don't know. But

1:05:34

whatever it is, it's

1:05:36

a large physical... I

1:05:39

believe it's a physical being. Yeah.

1:05:42

And people will say to you,

1:05:44

well, it's just fear. You're experiencing

1:05:46

fear. That's why the air felt

1:05:48

thicker. That's why on and on

1:05:50

and on. It's like, no, I'm already

1:05:52

scared. This is

1:05:55

something very different. And

1:05:57

there is a weird component to... running

1:06:00

into these things and it's hard to really

1:06:02

put your finger on it. You know, what is

1:06:04

it? Something's very wrong here. But

1:06:08

I really appreciate you coming on and sharing

1:06:10

it, John. And I

1:06:12

value what you do with the kids, you

1:06:14

know, looking after the next generation. I think

1:06:17

that's... I

1:06:19

respect the hell out of it, man. And

1:06:22

thank you so much for your service to our country.

1:06:25

Oh, you're most welcome, sir. You don't have to thank me for

1:06:27

that. It was the greatest honor of my life to serve.

1:06:30

And you know, I'm

1:06:33

a servant. I serve, you know,

1:06:35

I serve my fellow man, but ultimately,

1:06:37

it's because I'm serving God. And

1:06:40

I serve God by giving back to

1:06:42

the community and doing everything that I

1:06:44

can to ensure that my nation

1:06:47

and my people and my community

1:06:49

is safe and, you

1:06:52

know, just prepared for excellence

1:06:54

and whatever may occur that, you

1:06:56

know, we're... Well,

1:07:00

I'm rambling now. I'm sorry. I've

1:07:02

been rambling this whole time. I'm so

1:07:04

nervous, man. I feel like I've made

1:07:06

a fool of myself, gabbling, you know, just... No,

1:07:10

you didn't at all, John. It was an honor

1:07:12

having you on. Thank you again.

1:07:16

And that's it for tonight. I want to remember if you've

1:07:18

had an encounter, shoot me an email. My

1:07:21

email address is wes

1:07:23

at sasquatchchronicles.com. And

1:07:26

if you get a chance, check

1:07:28

out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can

1:07:30

become a member and get additional

1:07:32

shows. I'm going to close

1:07:34

out tonight with Sarah McCloud. Check

1:07:37

her out on YouTube. Sarah

1:07:39

with an H. Last name

1:07:41

is M-C-L-E-O-D. And

1:07:43

I'm in love with her version of

1:07:46

We Got Tonight. I know

1:07:48

that Sarah had posted on social media

1:07:50

that her father had recently passed away.

1:07:53

My heart goes out to you, Sarah. Until

1:07:56

next time, everyone. I know

1:07:58

it's late. I

1:08:02

know you're weary I

1:08:05

know you're blind Don't include

1:08:10

me Still

1:08:13

hear me Both

1:08:16

of us must Long

1:08:20

as we're shelter We

1:08:24

do what we see Why

1:08:28

should we worry? No

1:08:31

one will care We'll

1:08:35

get the stars So

1:08:39

far away We've

1:08:43

got tonight Floating

1:08:46

through You

1:08:50

get to my baby Why

1:08:54

don't you stay? Deep

1:09:05

in this I've been home All

1:09:09

of my heart's fading

1:09:13

away I've

1:09:17

longed for her I've

1:09:20

never won You

1:09:24

know I'll keep searching

1:09:27

Even after today Somewhere

1:09:32

it is gone I've

1:09:35

seen it all And

1:09:39

here we are What

1:09:43

do you say? We've

1:09:47

got tonight

1:09:49

Floating through We've

1:09:54

got tonight, baby

1:09:57

Why don't you stay? I

1:10:04

know it's late and I know it's

1:10:06

your theory. One of

1:10:12

your friends is only lonely.

1:10:16

And here we are,

1:10:20

broken and lonely. Both

1:10:24

of us lonely. We

1:10:31

got the night. I'm

1:10:35

so cold. I'm

1:10:39

taking my breath

1:10:42

for you. Turn

1:10:46

out the light. Come

1:10:50

take my hand now. You

1:10:54

got the night baby.

1:10:57

Why don't you stay? We

1:11:05

got the night. Who

1:11:09

needs tomorrow? Let's

1:11:13

make it last. Let's

1:11:17

find a way. Turn

1:11:20

out the light. Come

1:11:24

take my hand now. We

1:11:28

got the night baby.

1:11:32

Why don't you

1:11:34

stay? We got the

1:11:37

night. Who

1:11:39

needs tomorrow? Let's

1:11:43

make it last. Let's

1:11:47

find a way. Turn

1:11:50

out the light. Come

1:11:54

Take my hand Now.