0:03

It looked like somebody was bent

0:06

over and had their head in the

0:08

window of the deer blind and it

0:11

either heard me or smelt me and he pulled

0:13

his head out of the tent and stood straight

0:15

up and that

0:18

shocked me. They

0:24

don't make people that big. The

0:31

way it moved almost

0:34

as if it was gliding across the beach. I've

0:38

never seen anything move like that in my life.

0:45

They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

0:49

It sounded like a language and they were

0:51

chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards,

0:53

back and forwards. I

0:57

know what a bear looks like and there is no way

0:59

on this planet that what I saw bears.

1:05

911, what are you reporting?

1:11

Jesus Christ, you better... Hello?

1:15

Get somebody out here. What's going on

1:17

now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9". I don't

1:19

know. Is he a male, sir? Yeah.

1:22

I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. This

1:24

is McKelly. This is Axel. And this is Biel.

1:32

From Northern California, home of the original

1:35

Sasquatch, and you're listening to Wes Germer.

1:37

And Sasquatch Chronicles. And Sasquatch

1:39

Chronicles. And Sasquatch Chronicles. And Sasquatch Chronicles.

2:11

Welcome to the show Every one!

2:14

Thanks for being here. It's and

2:16

I got a great show plan

2:18

for you. a list Sammy This

2:20

piece of audio they recorded from

2:22

their back for it's I was

2:24

escher recorded last night and way

2:26

cross Georgia near the oh keep

2:29

an Okey Swamp a single listen.

2:38

Is moving to have some fun!

2:43

with it was really nervous

2:45

by in. The

2:50

prices is moving. Inclusiveness.

3:06

Since. i've

3:19

actually heard this vocalization many times

3:21

and washington and i can understand

3:23

why you guys grabbed the reporters

3:25

and started recording yeah i did

3:27

a i admire that i have

3:29

to applaud you for doing that's

3:31

not a lot of people will

3:33

pick up or a corner and

3:35

start recording but i believe what

3:37

you captured was a mountain lion

3:39

must take a listen this is

3:41

a mountain lion during mating season

3:43

that was captured on a troll

3:46

camera No

4:02

No No

4:06

No No And

4:10

again, I think what you captured that night

4:12

was a mountain lion But

4:15

again, I admire you for recording

4:17

it. Most people don't Tonight

4:19

we'll be chatting with Doug and over 48

4:21

years ago Doug

4:24

was with his cousin and he had an

4:26

encounter in Ohio While

4:28

he was out fishing one night Him

4:31

and his cousin both saw the same cross right

4:33

in front of them as they were leaving the

4:35

area We'll also be speaking

4:37

to Ryan and in 2014

4:40

Ryan was actually out with his son hunting

4:42

in Arkansas and

4:45

over several nights. There's something very

4:47

odd happening at his campsite Something

4:49

very strange was coming in and

4:52

I'll kind of let Ryan go into it If

4:54

you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on

4:56

the show shoot me an email My

4:59

email address is Wes at Sasquatch

5:01

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5:04

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additional shows Let's jump

5:12

into it tonight. I want to

5:14

welcome Doug to the show Doug. Thanks for

5:16

coming on Thank

5:18

you Wes. I appreciate Yeah,

5:20

and I know that your encounter took place

5:22

in Ohio work on back to About

5:27

40 years ago if you

5:29

would just kind of start from the beginning. What

5:31

were you doing? And what happened? now

5:34

it's from Originally from

5:37

Lexington, Kentucky, but I spent half my time

5:39

here and up in Middletown, Ohio with

5:43

my cousin We were

5:45

first cousin though and more like brothers but

5:47

that that year actually that summer

5:50

I got me

5:52

a ole 65

5:54

Chevy pickup truck all my dad and I was

5:57

working at a horse farm here. I don't know

5:59

I just got talked and I had to go to

6:01

Ohio. So I went

6:03

up there and stayed with my cousin that summer. And

6:06

him over, we were big fishermen.

6:09

Back then, I mean, we've just gone

6:11

all over the place fishing. So we

6:14

started going over to Houston Woods,

6:16

which is a state park there

6:18

in Ohio. It's over near Oxford,

6:20

Ohio. And there's a

6:22

big lake right in the middle of

6:24

that park and there's surrounding woods all

6:26

around that place. We were going over there

6:29

every day for at least

6:31

two weeks, something like that.

6:34

We'd go over there, get over there at 9 or 10

6:36

o'clock in the morning, and

6:38

then stay until way

6:41

up late until the night before we headed back

6:43

home. That's about, I

6:46

don't know, about 45 minutes,

6:49

an hour drive from his

6:51

house to the lake there.

6:55

And we leave out of there around midnight,

6:57

1 o'clock in the morning every

7:00

night. And this one night, we

7:02

loaded up and headed

7:04

out of there. And it's

7:07

a long ways from

7:09

the entrance of the park down to the lake. You

7:12

go to the park quite a

7:14

ways before you get to it.

7:16

I don't know, maybe, shoot, I

7:18

think it's about five or six miles. Anyway,

7:22

I got to the entrance of the lake and

7:24

you come out on a road there. I think

7:26

that's Route 28. I'm not sure, but I think

7:28

it's, no, not 28. Now, I forgot the

7:33

route number, but you make a left coming

7:35

out of the park onto this road. And then you go

7:38

just, I don't know, a thousand feet or so when you

7:40

come to this hairpin and

7:42

curve in the road. It's, the

7:45

sign said 10 mile an hour, but probably

7:48

even had to tell you it's slower than that. It's short.

7:51

But as I was going around that curve,

7:55

as soon as I come around the

7:57

other side of the curve, this big

7:59

thing come, I sat the

8:01

slam on the brakes. If

8:03

I was going any faster, I wouldn't hit it. Slammed

8:06

on the brake and this thing just stepped right out

8:08

the road. I think one

8:10

step, it was on the side of the

8:13

road on the shoulder of the road, on

8:15

the right side in front of my truck.

8:19

It went stepped out there. It had

8:21

to cover half of the road. It

8:24

had to go to the middle of the road. I

8:28

just froze. Me and

8:30

my cousin, I remember we both

8:33

said at the same time WTF, I looked

8:35

and I don't know,

8:40

just within a few steps, it was across

8:42

the road. I heard my

8:44

cousin holler, go, go, go, go. I

8:47

took off. This

8:50

thing was huge. I wasn't thinking Sasquatch. I wasn't

8:52

thinking Bigfoot. The only

8:55

thing, the first thing I thought of was Monster.

8:59

They are real. It

9:02

just flipped me out. Him

9:06

holler, that's me, saw holler, go, go, go. It

9:09

brought me out of it and I took off. Pedal

9:12

to the middle. To this thing, it's dark. I

9:15

don't know whether it was black

9:17

or maybe dark brown. The

9:19

cab of my truck above

9:22

the door, there had to be about six feet

9:25

high from the ground. This

9:27

thing, I'd be every bit of, I don't

9:30

know, two and a half, three foot higher than that

9:33

cab of that truck. It

9:35

was big, but it never did turn to

9:37

look at us as like it

9:39

was in a trance and just kept looking straight ahead.

9:41

I remember that because I was looking right at its

9:44

head, the side of its head. It

9:49

never looked or nothing. It was focused to

9:51

get some words on a mission and

9:54

about three steps in the woods on the

9:56

other side of the road and gone.

10:00

I don't

10:02

know, that's why I've been thinking about it all morning. I

10:05

mean, thinking about coming over here with you and bringing

10:07

back all that. But my

10:09

cousin, he talked about it for a little while

10:12

after that, but just a few days

10:14

after that, he, oh, that was a bear. That

10:16

was a bear. I

10:18

told him, yeah, you know damn well, that wasn't a

10:20

bear. There weren't no bears in

10:22

that part of southwest Ohio. I doubt there

10:24

are today. If

10:27

there was any bears in Ohio, it had

10:29

to be way up north of Ohio up

10:31

there, the Michigan border, maybe. But not

10:34

south or southwest, a while. Yeah,

10:38

just from the size you're talking about, Doug, I

10:40

can tell you it wasn't a bear. And

10:43

you know, sometimes people do that, like your

10:46

cousin, you know, where he's in shock

10:48

and then you try and talk to him later about

10:50

it and he's like, ah, it was a bear. I

10:53

don't know if people are getting teased to the point to where they

10:55

don't want to deal with it. They just

10:57

want to go with bear or what. And

11:00

you find that with even experienced

11:02

hunters. I'm talking guys that have

11:04

been on the planet for a long time. I've

11:07

heard it over and over and over again

11:09

off the air. They'll go, you know,

11:11

there was this one time where I saw this

11:14

really weird bear and I'll be

11:16

like, hey, describe it to me. And as

11:18

they're describing it, nothing about what they're describing

11:20

sounds like a bear. I don't

11:22

know if people do that for, you

11:25

know, a sense to come back to reality and

11:27

not get, you know, monsters,

11:29

like you said, that it's a monster

11:31

must be fake or not real. Then

11:34

you find out they're real. I think it's kind of

11:36

shell shocking for people. I've

11:39

had guys tell me that I've had

11:41

other guys, one I

11:43

used to work with, I've been in

11:45

woods hunting all my life. I haven't seen anything

11:47

like that. There ain't no such thing. That's

11:51

when I was telling this other boy about this

11:54

sighting, the one I'm telling you

11:56

about. And that's

11:58

when this other one spoke out. No such

12:00

thing. You're just saying things. I said,

12:02

say it again sir, I'm going to

12:04

bust you upside your head. I

12:08

said, besides, I don't recall you being there. I said,

12:11

how do you know what I saw? I

12:13

said, shut him up, you know. And

12:16

you know, the way you describe this

12:18

encounter, this thing's really, really close

12:20

to your truck. No more

12:22

than two or three feet in front of my truck. Yeah,

12:25

I mean, that's really close. If

12:27

you would, would you describe what you saw that

12:29

day? It was, like

12:32

I said, it was dark. I

12:34

don't know whether it was the hair or

12:37

whatever on it was. It was dark

12:40

brown, dark brown. This

12:42

thing, you know, I always heard that

12:45

around Ohio, Kentucky, and

12:47

that is more of the type two,

12:49

I guess. But this thing

12:51

to me, the more I thought about

12:54

it, the more it reminded me of

12:56

the patty type. That's

12:58

what it looked like to me, only bigger. It

13:01

was a hell of a lot bigger than the patty. But

13:04

it had to be a male. I mean, big as it was,

13:06

it had to be a male. Maybe one, but

13:09

I'm thinking it was. I don't know. I

13:12

don't remember seeing any junk

13:14

down below, you know what I mean? I

13:18

seen the left side of

13:20

his face, sideways, red. There

13:23

wasn't no hair around his cheeks or

13:25

around his nose, eyes. And

13:28

the light from the headlights of

13:30

the truck was kind of looked

13:32

maybe like it was gray or

13:34

dark gray or charcoal

13:37

color. The

13:41

head was, it wasn't pronounced, now,

13:44

cone, I guess, on top of his head, but

13:46

it was kind of, you could tell it was

13:50

like a cone, maybe like

13:52

a blunt cone or something. But

13:56

the back, I mean, the sideways view from

13:58

the back. from his chest to

14:02

its back. This thing,

14:04

I guess you could

14:06

say it's barrel chested.

14:10

It was, man, I mean, it

14:12

looked like a

14:14

buffalo standing on its iron legs,

14:16

you know, it was that big ring. It

14:19

just, I just kept

14:22

looking straight ahead. I never did look at

14:24

it. I don't know, I thought about it

14:27

for a long time. I don't know.

14:31

Oh, maybe it was that time of year for

14:33

a mate, and he just

14:35

focused on that. I don't know. But

14:39

he seemed dead set,

14:42

just getting across the

14:44

road and heading the way he

14:46

was going. I'll

14:48

say he is. But

14:53

yeah, it was just dark haired. And

14:57

the face, I remember seeing part just the left

14:59

side of its face, and it was kind of

15:01

bare, the nose. The

15:04

nose kind of looked like

15:07

our nose, but

15:09

maybe a little more

15:11

flat, like some of that punching right in his

15:14

nose, flat in his nose at that point, what

15:16

I could see of it. And

15:19

couldn't really tell that much about the eyes. It

15:21

was dark. And

15:23

then, like I said, the top of his head

15:26

was kind of a comb, big

15:30

big big old bicep, big

15:32

shoulder. Well, like I

15:34

said, I just seen mainly the left side of

15:36

it, but it

15:38

just, monster,

15:41

absolute monster. Yeah,

15:44

and that's the weird part about these encounters,

15:46

Doug. Many eyewitnesses

15:48

have come forward with these roadside crossings,

15:50

and it's like the creature doesn't care.

15:52

It'll just step right out, right in

15:55

front of a car, and

15:57

just walk across like it owns a

15:59

joint. And it's fascinating

16:01

their behavior, especially on roadside

16:03

crossings. When you were

16:05

looking at this thing, I realize it's more of

16:08

a profile-type view, but did it remind you more

16:10

of a man? Did it remind you

16:12

more of an animal? More

16:14

a man, because it was kind of swinging

16:16

its arms as it was crossing

16:19

the road. It just,

16:22

they're a hairy man. Great,

16:24

big old hairy man. And

16:28

which all the hair of, part animal too,

16:30

I guess. So that's

16:33

the damnedest thing I ever saw up to that

16:35

point. And

16:37

me being a teenager, it really didn't bother

16:39

me too. I probably had trouble

16:43

thinking about it the next couple of

16:45

nights after that, but eventually

16:48

just quit thinking about it until

16:51

I got over enough to think about it

16:53

again. And then done a little

16:55

bit of researching

16:58

and looking in books and that kind of

17:01

thing. I always watched all them

17:03

programs on TV that all

17:05

the other people watch over there and eat

17:07

more and all that stuff. Yeah,

17:10

I admire you for searching for answers.

17:12

We're going back to 76 and

17:16

even up until this day, people will

17:18

say, what I saw was a monster.

17:21

Initially, they don't think, oh, this is Bigfoot.

17:24

Some people do. I think as the time

17:26

goes on, some people immediately go, oh, that's

17:28

Bigfoot, just because it's

17:30

becoming more of a norm in our culture.

17:33

I wanted to ask you, you kind of

17:35

alluded to it there in the beginning. If

17:38

your cab is six feet tall and

17:40

this thing's standing over that, how tall do you

17:42

think it was? It

17:44

had to be a bit of, at least

17:46

between eight and nine foot tall, at

17:49

least. And like I said, the

17:52

top of the cab of my truck would be

17:54

just over my head where I was sitting from

17:57

the top of the cab to the ground. to

18:00

six feet because I was five nine and

18:04

trucks a good

18:06

few inches taller than me from

18:09

from the top of that cab to the

18:13

top of that thing it ever been

18:16

two to three foot taller.

18:19

Yeah that thing was huge it's probably a

18:21

good thing you didn't run into it probably

18:23

would have totaled your truck. Oh

18:26

I thought about that too and no telling

18:28

what boy that thing may have went just

18:31

plumb eight eight

18:33

crap you know they

18:35

would have ripped me and my cousin loaf out of that

18:37

truck and no telling what it was done. Probably

18:41

wouldn't have knocked him out of that trance whatever trance

18:43

he was in. Geez.

18:46

Yeah and you're talking about the creatures trance.

18:49

Yeah yeah I have

18:51

heard of people hitting them and they the

18:55

damn thing jump up and then take off to

18:57

the woods. Yeah you

18:59

do hear reports of people hitting them

19:01

from time to time when

19:03

they're crossing the road and it's

19:06

weird to me you know the whole

19:08

thing about Sasquatch being so elusive

19:10

except for when they cross the

19:12

road they seem to be like not

19:15

a lot of thoughts given into it and not

19:18

a lot of fears being shown they'll

19:20

step right out right in front of vehicles

19:23

just like they did with you or just

19:25

like this thing did with you. I want

19:28

to ask you you know 48 years later

19:30

after seeing this thing and kind of taking

19:32

some time to look into

19:34

this subject I ask everyone on

19:37

the show what do you think Sasquatch is

19:39

and there's no wrong answer but what

19:41

do you think Doug what's your take? Now

19:44

I thought about that quite a bit and

19:46

a lot

19:49

of people think they're descendants of

19:51

the Nephilim and

19:54

that could be I don't

19:56

know Nephilim is the offspring

19:58

of the fallen angel. and the

20:00

human women, aren't they? Like

20:03

old Gilgamesh and his buddy, I

20:05

guess his buddy, Inca

20:08

do. They were, I guess they, people thought they were

20:10

left with them, but it could

20:12

be that, but myself, they

20:17

may be part human, but what part

20:19

human they do have in them is

20:22

long since gone. I mean, they're motry.

20:24

I think they're motry, animalistic. There

20:27

are some kind of primate. What kind? I

20:29

don't know. They

20:32

could be Canada.

20:34

The Andas all

20:36

man. Who

20:39

knows? I don't know. I think it's just part, maybe

20:42

a little part human, but

20:44

mostly some other kind of

20:46

primate that's never

20:48

been discovered. That's

20:51

about the best I could think

20:53

of. Yeah. And that's

20:56

a fair answer, Doug. And you know, it's

20:58

the answer that makes the most sense at

21:00

first glance that it must be

21:02

some non-human primate we haven't caught up

21:04

with. This has been going on

21:06

for a long, long time. And

21:08

even the natives have it in their culture. They've

21:10

been talking about it for thousands of years. And

21:14

more and more sayings all the time. And

21:17

I've heard a whole lot of people say

21:19

they thought they were out your way,

21:22

Pacific, Northwest, Northern California. But they're

21:25

not. I think they're about every state

21:27

of the union. I've

21:29

heard there haven't been spotted

21:32

in Hawaii yet, but who knows? They probably have.

21:34

They may have some kind of type

21:36

out there. Who knows? But

21:39

you hear a whole lot of

21:41

reports of them being in Ohio,

21:43

especially from southeast

21:45

Ohio up to the northeast

21:47

Ohio. That side of Ohio.

21:50

I've heard more

21:53

sightings and encounters on that side

21:55

of Ohio rather than the

21:57

west side of Ohio. You know what I mean? Yeah,

22:00

a lot definitely comes out of Ohio. We

22:04

were used to fish the Great Miami River

22:06

right there. It's right there by Middletown in

22:08

Trenton, Ohio, down below Bridge.

22:12

Me and a buddy were fishing down there. There was

22:14

a great big old, one

22:16

open field that's growing up with weeds and stuff

22:18

at that time. But

22:21

we were kind of early night fishing

22:23

for catfish. And there was something

22:25

slaps of water. Well, me and him both, it

22:27

was a beaver. Now beavers are

22:29

going to slap that tail on the top of the water

22:31

and try to run people out of

22:33

their territory or run while they're out of

22:36

their territory. I heard

22:38

that a few times. Her sing

22:40

a splash out in the water. And

22:43

I don't know, it wasn't long, maybe a half hour or

22:45

so. I seen

22:47

a big rock fly over our head

22:49

from behind us and hit the water.

22:53

And we love them guys out there. Time

22:56

to go. I didn't

22:58

even think about that until

23:01

sometime last few years later. Hell,

23:04

that may have been a damn Sasquatch because there

23:06

have been sightings around

23:09

that area between

23:11

there and over in Trenton. There

23:14

was one road. You get on the other side of

23:16

that bridge from where we were at over

23:19

in Trenton. And there was a road that

23:21

turns off the left called Radibald Road. And

23:24

that was all form and country out that

23:26

way. Yeah, there's

23:29

always moments in life where you

23:31

look back at weird situations and

23:33

go, I wonder if that's what that

23:35

was. But I

23:37

really appreciate you taking the time to come on

23:39

and share it. I really

23:41

enjoyed chatting with you, Doug. I

23:44

appreciate you getting back with me. Thank

23:56

you.

24:00

up on the show. I want to welcome Ryan.

24:02

Ryan, thanks for coming on. Hi,

24:05

thanks for having me, Wes. You know,

24:07

I always love chatting with hunters

24:09

and you had a very

24:11

strange encounter with something back in 2014.

24:14

You were with your son.

24:16

If you would just

24:19

kind of start from the beginning, what were

24:21

you doing and what happened? All

24:24

right. Well, I was

24:26

taking my son turkey hunting.

24:30

Each year Arkansas has a youth turkey season.

24:32

My son was almost 12 at

24:34

the time and

24:36

we had gone up to this

24:38

one part in the Ozarks. It's

24:42

public land up there and

24:45

we went up there and

24:47

I'll say this and

24:49

this is kind of interesting part of the

24:51

story. You have to cross a river and

24:53

once you cross the river right after you

24:56

cross the river, you

24:58

turn onto a gravel road by

25:00

a cemetery that eventually turns into

25:02

a dirt road. And

25:05

so we went up there

25:08

to where we were planning

25:10

on hunting. I looked at the maps and there were

25:13

there's a big flat spot up there in open field. So

25:15

I thought that'd be a good place to set up a

25:17

decoy. And

25:20

we were staying at what

25:22

is technically a designated camping

25:24

area, but by camping area,

25:26

it's like they took

25:28

a box scraper and go up there and just

25:31

remove enough

25:33

flora out of the way so

25:36

you can park your truck in there or

25:38

a camper or something. If you can get

25:40

a camper actually up there, there's no pad,

25:42

there's no electricity, there's no, you're

25:45

on the side of a mountain basically. So

25:49

most of the time we get up there

25:51

and it's that first night and it's,

25:54

we've driven around, done some locator calls, make sure

25:57

we still have some turkey in the area. And

26:00

we get back and we cook some dinner and we're

26:02

sitting around the campfire and it's

26:05

getting dark and I

26:08

told my son I was like hey we gotta we

26:10

gotta get up early. Why don't we go ahead and

26:12

call tonight? He says, okay and There

26:16

are four Sections that were

26:18

cleared out for camping that's

26:21

designated camping area and

26:23

we were the only people up there No

26:26

one else and we are Not

26:29

close to any homes. This is a federal

26:31

land. We're on Nobody

26:34

lives up there So

26:37

we get in the tent and we're not in

26:39

the tent five maybe

26:42

ten minutes and We

26:45

start to hear footsteps like, you

26:48

know walking on leaves crunching

26:50

leaves sticks but

26:53

whatever it is, it sounds bipedal and

26:55

and Somebody's

26:58

walking up from back behind us and

27:03

In the tent and I'm thinking who is this why

27:05

would somebody want to be coming up here?

27:08

It's dark. There's nobody else here So

27:12

whatever it is starts to walk into our

27:14

camp Man, I'm wanting to

27:16

get out of the tent But

27:18

then I think you know My

27:21

one major concern is what if this

27:24

is a black bear? That's

27:26

got cubs nearby she

27:28

could be on top of us pretty quickly before

27:30

I could do much about it and Normally,

27:34

I would have no problem opening up a tent

27:36

and seeing what it was or what who it

27:39

was or whatever to look out But

27:42

my kid being with me just kept coming back

27:44

into play so

27:48

the footsteps come into our camp

27:51

and Start

27:53

walking around in a circle

27:56

And They are walking around our tent in

27:58

our fireplace. Are close or

28:00

far? Get out. We've made up there. And

28:03

what was crazy about it was.

28:06

A Don't stop They just

28:08

walking in a circle nonstop.

28:12

Amazon as miss a day? What? What Is

28:14

it? And.

28:17

Are so soon as just raccoon or dare to

28:19

school and sleep. We get up early. And

28:23

on a good and will it

28:25

was not a raccoon. I

28:27

knew it wasn't a deer. I

28:29

was pretty sure it was not

28:31

a bear. I've

28:34

seen a handful of bear in the

28:36

wild well when I'm in hunting and.

28:39

They are somewhat noisy creatures. The

28:42

Groton, the house and sniff and

28:44

all that stuff. But his or

28:46

her no breathing, Know groaning, Know

28:48

having. A. Just walked in

28:50

a circle. And Ali back in

28:53

the tent. And I had. A

28:56

pistol with me and my son.

28:58

He crashed after to to go

29:00

sleep. He was out pretty quickly.

29:03

And I'm laying there and I

29:06

get my pistol out Know got

29:08

it right across my chest and

29:10

my heart just starts racing. It.

29:13

I. Got scared and taken karate and what

29:16

the hell is this An Ohm. After

29:20

about. Forty. Five

29:22

minutes to an hour. It.

29:26

Walks. Away and goes right back.

29:28

The. Way it came from. And

29:31

you can just hear the steps. Walking

29:34

away, And

29:36

I don't wanna say i hear

29:38

what some some of people here

29:40

have you say about how of

29:42

it's thunderous steps and looked at

29:44

it it sounded like a man

29:46

my thought was a man wearing

29:48

boots. Walk. And.

29:51

Walk in up. That's what the sound.

29:53

That's what I'm thinking with the crunch

29:55

and and everything a different do not

29:58

sound like floated but. Had

30:00

a glass of water there. I don't think I would

30:02

have ripples run through it. But

30:06

so after a couple hours after

30:08

the steps walk back from boy

30:10

the came. I finally

30:12

calmed down a little. Burton other get

30:14

about an hour's work to sleep before

30:17

I'm. Before. We

30:19

finally got up to go home. So

30:22

that. That. I would up

30:24

we go home we have a day would come

30:26

back door thing and. Fast.

30:29

Forward to that second night. We're

30:32

we're didn't were around the

30:34

campfire. And it's

30:36

getting dark and it gets dark really

30:39

quickly up there just because so many

30:41

trees and on the saw that manages

30:43

kind of on the back saddleworth sunsets

30:45

it is really blocks out a light.

30:48

So Tomaso again as well as good and crafts

30:50

we gotta get up and. So

30:53

he gets up and I get up and

30:55

I pull the to. The. Saw the

30:57

close to the far that night. And.

31:01

He gets in the tent and I get

31:03

the ten and I'm and he is out

31:06

a probably. Out in two

31:08

minutes or less. Had been up early

31:10

and women gone all day. And

31:13

I'm. Out lay down.

31:15

we're not in the ten. Another

31:17

five minutes and. Us

31:19

are here in the footsteps again. And

31:22

the come from the same

31:24

direction. They. Did before.

31:28

And once again they walk right up

31:30

and to our camp. And

31:33

Iger am a pistol and I'm.

31:37

Almost dumbfounded this point. samsung of

31:39

what the hell is this. You

31:42

know surely is not a man You

31:44

know I'm. But.

31:46

Again, my kids with me. I do

31:48

not want to unzipped a tent and

31:50

get attacked by something. So.

31:54

my heart's racing in my adrenaline pumping and

31:56

on get a little mad be honest with

31:58

you it

32:00

comes in, it walks up into our

32:02

camp again and walks in a circle

32:04

around our tent

32:06

and campfire. And

32:11

my truck was unlocked. I had my shotgun

32:14

in the truck and I never

32:16

heard anything try to open the

32:18

truck door or anything like that.

32:21

But it just walks nonstop in

32:23

a circle around us. It's

32:27

not like a deer. You watch a deer, it'll

32:29

walk a little bit, stop, put his nose down,

32:31

sniff the ground, grab a bite of something, whatever.

32:33

Same with the raccoon, same with pretty

32:36

much any of God's creatures you have

32:38

out there. But it

32:40

didn't walk for quite as long this time. It

32:42

was probably about a little over half hour maybe.

32:44

Walk in a circle and

32:46

then walks back the way it came. And

32:51

that was it for the crew, whatever it

32:56

was that night, walking in a circle. And

32:58

at this point, you know, whatever

33:02

it was, Sasquatch did not

33:04

cross my mind whatsoever. Well,

33:09

fast forward into the next week.

33:12

We finished our hunt and went back

33:15

home. Well, I

33:17

met work the next week and

33:19

a couple guys were asking me how it went and

33:21

I told them and I said, man, something crazy happened.

33:24

And they're like, what do you mean? And I basically

33:27

told them what I just

33:30

told you. And

33:34

one of them laughed and I said,

33:37

I have no idea who it was or whatever. One

33:40

coworker, the other two

33:42

guys walked away. He looked

33:44

at me and he gave me that

33:46

head nod like, come here. And he went

33:48

back to his desk and sat down. So

33:51

I walked over to his desk. I said, what's up, man?

33:54

He goes, I

33:56

think you have Sasquatch in your camp. Oh

34:01

like. To.

34:04

Usually. Has. He's like yeah,

34:07

I. Was like. A Sasquatch? I

34:09

don't know we had those up. If he goes. oh yeah,

34:12

And I do believe in those things he goes,

34:14

ya know they exist. And.

34:17

Are so what do you mean? You know

34:19

they just hate oatmeal. A story about how

34:21

when he lived in Alaska him as dead

34:23

as brother gone fishing and they were. Coming.

34:26

Down a of heavily wooded road from

34:28

where they put in the river. His.

34:31

Brother and his Dad as his Brother, The Cold

34:33

Over Cousin, The Tell I Won't Work and on

34:35

the on. The. Boat trailers.

34:38

And it was dark out there and his

34:40

brother. Desborough. The

34:42

get go make sure the year the

34:44

trailers hooked up to the truck is

34:46

his brother. Got. Out wasn't

34:48

out there for a minute. And

34:51

also Income Drone Scream and.

34:54

Jump in and truck he own at

34:56

his dad. Go go go go so

34:58

he's dead. Take pills out of their

35:00

didn't ask questions, And.

35:02

Them. Females. Down the road

35:04

is the apples over said his brother. This

35:07

whole Thomas' like crime and as and console

35:09

was brother the beliefs of seventeen at the

35:11

time. And them. Long

35:15

story short. As

35:18

they're going to calm down and was

35:20

talking time and he said that. You

35:23

know when I got the wires hooked up?

35:26

You had your food on the brakes.

35:28

The tail lights came on on the

35:30

trailer and right there just a few

35:32

feet away from where I stand and

35:35

was was a monster is as know

35:37

tim foot tall and it was just

35:39

the red lights Liddy much from the

35:41

tail lights Ages was looking at me.

35:45

And. A

35:47

just scared me to death day not enough his own

35:49

attacking us when I came, jumped in the truck and.

35:52

My. Coworkers his brother had. Lost.

35:55

Control his bowels and his bladder. seventeen

35:58

years old was scared him so So

36:01

we talked for a little bit and I said,

36:04

no, man, I've never even thought about a

36:07

Sasquatch, Bigfoot, or whatever being up there.

36:10

I mean, I'm not

36:12

going to say I didn't believe in them, but

36:14

to me, Bigfoot was a singular creature that lived

36:16

in the Pacific Northwest somewhere. Lived

36:19

just outside of Seattle. And

36:21

that was my whole take on Bigfoot. Well,

36:26

so he tells me, he says, do

36:28

a little bit of research. He goes, says,

36:31

look up, Google this in

36:33

the area you're in about the

36:35

sightings and reported sightings. So

36:38

I did. And Wes,

36:40

I was really

36:42

amazed at how

36:44

many reports there had been

36:47

just in the general area. And

36:50

not just from there, but going into Oklahoma,

36:53

into Texas, up into Missouri. That

36:56

was, I was shocked

36:58

because I had heard pretty much nothing

37:00

about it. So I started

37:02

getting a little interested in it and

37:05

I'm learning some stuff. Well,

37:08

fast forward, I don't

37:10

know, a couple months, two

37:13

or three months into the springtime or I'm into

37:15

the summer, we're

37:18

at a cookout

37:21

and a coworker of my wife is

37:23

there and her husband's there and

37:26

they both are from there. They're from

37:28

is right up the road from where

37:31

I was hunting. So

37:33

I started, I knew her husband was a hunter. We

37:36

weren't really close, but you

37:39

know, I knew the hunter things. My wife had told

37:41

me, so I started talking to

37:43

him and I asked

37:45

him, I said, you hunt

37:47

this place, don't you? And he said, yeah,

37:49

I said, he used to. And

37:52

I said, you hear anything

37:54

weird happening out there? Like ever

37:57

seen any Bigfoots or anything or hear about

37:59

that? And he just

38:01

kind of stops and looks at me. He's

38:03

like, um, who

38:05

said anything about that? You know, and

38:08

I told him kind

38:10

of gave him a brief synopsis of what happened when

38:13

we had been Turkey hunting up there. And

38:15

he starts to tell

38:18

me, he said, well, it's crazy. You say

38:20

that. He said back when, uh, two

38:23

years ago, I guess he was in high school, about to

38:25

get out of high school. He

38:27

and his brother used to hunt deer

38:29

hunt out there. And one

38:32

morning they were

38:34

going out and he said he goes about

38:36

four o'clock in the morning. They were

38:39

headed out that way to go hunting. And

38:42

the bridge I had mentioned prior

38:46

you cross the bridge, then you turn to

38:48

a cemetery. Well,

38:50

he told me they were

38:52

crossing the bridge. And as soon as they

38:54

start to cross the bridge and

38:57

by bridge, it's just, it's not like

38:59

an overhead structure bridge. Like you think

39:01

of crossing the Mississippi river. It's just

39:03

basically a couple pylons

39:06

down in the river. And, um,

39:09

it's got the Jersey barrier sides

39:11

that with the reinforced metal. They

39:14

start over the bridge. And just

39:16

as soon as they start on the bridge, something

39:20

on two legs. That

39:23

is completely black walks

39:26

across the road and

39:28

he said he cleared the road in about

39:30

two steps right at the

39:32

end of the bridge and,

39:35

um, his brother starts screaming,

39:37

slams on the brakes and it's like, what is

39:39

that? What the hell is that? He goes, I

39:41

don't know, man. So his brother turns

39:44

around and takes off. We'll

39:46

find out in conversation. It

39:49

is the bridge where I had crossed

39:51

and turned, uh, by

39:54

the cemetery to go a few miles

39:56

up where I was at. So

39:58

we're right there in the same. general

40:00

area and

40:03

he said a couple days later he said

40:06

you know his brother couldn't get over what they

40:08

saw so him

40:10

and his brother went out back

40:12

to that bridge and they get

40:15

out walk around they're just trying to see

40:17

whatever they can see and he

40:19

said one thing he noticed right

40:22

there at the bridge on each side of the

40:24

bridge I

40:27

don't know if you know what I'm talking about

40:29

but they'll have the signs with the black and

40:31

yellow stripes and basically say hey stay in your

40:33

lane because right here is where the guard the

40:35

guard starts you know the barrier

40:37

for the bridge starts he

40:41

said whatever it was

40:43

that walked across the road was

40:46

as tall everybody's tall as those

40:48

signs were but he

40:50

never realized how tall those signs were

40:53

till he got out and walked up to

40:55

it now he is

40:57

six foot three and

41:01

he walks up to the sign and

41:04

for him to be able to he

41:06

raises his arm up and could not touch

41:09

the top of the sign he

41:11

said the sign is every bit of nine

41:13

between nine and ten foot tall and

41:16

he said that's how tall this thing was

41:18

when it went across the road and

41:21

he said since then him and his brother

41:23

no longer hunt that area and

41:26

I thought that was very

41:29

interesting very coincidental

41:33

well fast-forward several

41:35

months five six months

41:38

from there I was at

41:40

one of these tractor supply

41:42

home stores and

41:46

outside on the outside of it

41:48

they had this big deer stand

41:51

or hunting stand I guess I should say and

41:53

it looks like a huge tree trunk and it's

41:56

got these little slim black wonders in it and

42:01

And I got my head stuck in there. I'm just looking

42:03

around and I thought, man, this is pretty cool. You know,

42:06

and there's a little bit older gentleman

42:09

on, he's probably in the sixties. He

42:12

came up, he said, boy, the deer, the deer never see

42:14

coming to that thing. Will they? And

42:16

I laugh. I said, well, I'm not worried about the deer. I

42:18

said, it's Sasquatch is, I don't want to see me. And

42:22

as soon as I said that, like any

42:25

joy or emotion just left his face.

42:28

And he looks at me and says, son, what do you know about

42:30

that? Just as

42:33

serious as he could be. And,

42:35

uh, I said, well, I

42:37

said, why does that little something happen last time I

42:39

was hunting out there? Um, I talked to

42:41

mention where I get

42:44

told him kind of what happened and

42:46

he stops. And he says, you know, I've never

42:48

told anybody this. He

42:51

said, but back, he said it's 10,

42:53

12 years prior to,

42:56

uh, when I'd been hunting out

42:59

there, he said he would go bear hunting out

43:01

there every year. He said

43:03

he was headed in like normal. And it

43:05

just so happens. He mentioned

43:08

he crossed the bridge and turned at the cemetery.

43:11

I did not mention crossing the bridge and

43:14

turns the cemetery. Those were his words. And,

43:18

uh, he said he went three or

43:20

four miles back up, up the, uh,

43:22

up on the mountain and that's exactly

43:24

where me and my son were hunting,

43:26

roughly. He

43:28

said he was, uh, in his tree stand

43:31

and, uh, sitting there

43:34

and been up there for a little bit,

43:36

and then he hears some limbs

43:38

breaking and footsteps.

43:42

And he's thinking, is

43:45

this a bear or just some people coming

43:47

through the woods, but he doesn't see anything.

43:50

Well, and he hears this and it's

43:52

getting closer and closer to him until

43:56

he realizes the footsteps he hears

43:58

coming up. right

44:01

under his tree

44:03

stand. And

44:05

he goes, man, but there was nothing there. He

44:08

said, I heard it walk up

44:11

and stop. And

44:13

I'm just looking down and there's nothing there. And

44:15

then I can hear like, like

44:18

some heavy breathing, almost like

44:21

gurgling grunting sound. And he

44:25

said, nothing is there. He said, well, then

44:29

I start to hear the footsteps and

44:31

it walks around the

44:34

tree. I'm in, makes

44:37

a few passes around the tree. And

44:40

he said, he goes,

44:42

I swear to God, there was nothing

44:44

there. And he

44:47

goes, and it just, I was just horrified. And he

44:49

said, he goes, I didn't know what to do. He

44:52

said, then the footsteps just kind of stopped.

44:55

I didn't, you know, it sounded like

44:57

they kind of walked away, but they just stopped. He

45:00

said he was scared to get out of

45:02

his tree stand, that

45:05

he literally stayed the night in the

45:07

tree. And

45:09

he said, when the sun came

45:12

up the next day, he

45:14

got out of the tree stand, he just left the

45:17

stand. He jumped down, grabbed his gun. And he said

45:19

he was parked a little over a mile away from

45:21

where he was hunting. And he

45:23

said he ran the entire way back and

45:26

has not been bear hunting

45:29

back there since. So

45:33

I just said, yeah,

45:35

man, that's crazy. You know, but

45:38

that's, that's for

45:40

the most part, my story. And then I

45:42

just, I

45:45

probably wouldn't have even reached out, but the fact

45:47

that my friend,

45:49

my wife's co-workers husband mentioned where

45:51

they saw their experience at and

45:54

where this guy was bear hunting that really

45:56

kind of pushed me to,

45:59

man, maybe this was a Sasquatch, you know?

46:02

So now I'm a lot more interested in

46:04

them. And, um, I

46:06

just happened here to, uh, Start

46:09

listening to podcasts just a couple months ago. As

46:11

a matter of fact, I just never listened to

46:13

them. I was listening to

46:15

some natural national park podcasts. And

46:18

when the recommended podcast came up

46:21

Sasquatch Chronicles was one of them. I thought,

46:23

well, that sounds interesting. So

46:26

now I can't quit listening to your podcast.

46:28

I'm in the 300s of episodes because I've

46:30

only been listening for about a month, month

46:32

and a half now, but, uh,

46:34

I'm catching up. I'll get there eventually.

46:38

Yeah. And I appreciate you listening to the

46:40

show very much Ryan. And I appreciate you

46:42

coming on and sharing what

46:44

happened to you. You know, that last

46:46

encounter there you were talking about with

46:48

that gentleman and, um,

46:50

the thing came underneath his tree

46:52

stand and he couldn't see

46:55

anything, it kind of like that. I

46:57

mean, really unnerved me because you hear,

46:59

if you hear it once you're like,

47:01

okay, well, maybe it wasn't paying attention.

47:03

It obviously was there, but when

47:05

you hear it over and over and over again, uh, a

47:08

great example of that is people being paced

47:10

out of the woods or being escorted out

47:13

of the woods, you'll hear it

47:15

time and time again, where people

47:17

are being paced out and it's from

47:19

the side. This thing's taken step for

47:21

step. You'll hear eyewitnesses say that when

47:24

I stopped it stopped. When I walked

47:26

it walked and most time

47:28

the last people, what did

47:30

you, did you see anything in the brush,

47:32

how far away from you was it? And

47:35

they're talking like 10 feet or less. And

47:38

they never see it. They never see what's

47:40

actually pacing them out. It's weird

47:43

in your encounter, you know, that

47:45

whole situation, I don't see a

47:47

bear coming in several

47:50

nights in a row, walking around

47:52

in circles aimlessly for 30 minutes

47:54

straight. And unless someone

47:56

has something wrong with them mentally,

47:58

I don't picture. human doing that

48:00

either. It's a great way to get shot. Exactly.

48:04

And especially, I'll just

48:06

say this, where I grew

48:09

up, I

48:11

mean, I joke. I

48:13

call myself a red billy or

48:15

hill neck. My mom

48:17

was from the Ozarks up in Missouri,

48:20

but my dad was from the Mississippi

48:22

Delta area. So I kind of got

48:24

the best of both worlds, you know. But

48:27

I'll say this, what I've learned, a lot of

48:29

the hill people, you know,

48:31

the good people, but you don't mess with them.

48:34

There's a different code they

48:36

live by. You don't go

48:38

into a man's camp without announcing yourself. That

48:42

is just literally asking

48:44

for trouble. But what got

48:47

me was both nights, and

48:50

I started thinking about this later. It

48:52

didn't walk out. It had been dark for

48:55

a little while. Once we

48:57

got in the tent, it didn't walk towards

48:59

us until we got in the tent, almost

49:01

like it was watching us. And

49:05

when we got in the tent, that's when

49:07

it walked into the camp.

49:10

So that was my, and we had been, you know,

49:12

we had been sitting around the fire. I didn't

49:15

hear any steps coming towards

49:18

us, you know, out

49:20

of the wood line to

49:22

watch us. It's just

49:24

after we got in the tent for

49:27

a few minutes, that's when the footsteps

49:30

started. So like I

49:32

said, I did not actually see

49:34

anything, but just after talking to

49:37

some people, it just

49:39

really, really made me start wondering exactly, you

49:41

know, what was that that came into our

49:43

camp those two nights, you know.

49:46

Yeah, it's almost like you guys were being watched.

49:49

And the minute you guys went into the tent

49:51

is when it would come out.

49:53

It makes me wonder if

49:55

it's like a younger one or something,

49:57

especially aimlessly walking around in a circle.

50:00

almost like kind of provoking you to

50:02

come out a little bit. And

50:04

like I said, before we came on

50:06

the air, there's so many encounters that

50:09

come out of Arkansas. It's crazy. You

50:11

know, and I know you've been listening to the show for

50:14

a little bit and I appreciate you listening. I ask

50:16

everyone on the show, Ryan, what do you think

50:18

Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong

50:21

answer because no one knows, but I'd

50:23

like to know what you think. What do you think that

50:25

these creatures are? Well,

50:28

you know, like you said, no one knows.

50:30

You know, when I first started looking into

50:32

it, my thought

50:35

was Nephilim or

50:40

the vagabond descendants of Cain and they're all

50:42

hairy and that's their marks. Everybody will know

50:45

their descendant of Cain. I

50:47

don't know if, I mean, people claim their

50:49

flesh and blood, which after

50:51

listening to some things, I believe

50:53

they are, but I don't

50:56

know if I can quite get on board

50:58

with the magical mystical side of them yet.

51:00

Are they demonic? Possibly.

51:04

You start getting into some of

51:06

the older books and Sasquatch seem

51:08

to be somewhat

51:11

in line with UFOs or ships

51:13

coming down. I don't

51:15

know. I mean, don't

51:17

get me wrong. I would have no

51:19

interest in killing one because

51:22

it sounds like people who kill them have a

51:24

tendency to have their lives ruined for the most

51:26

part by

51:28

the government, assuming everything they say is

51:31

true, you know, but I

51:34

would not hesitate to do it because

51:36

I feel like my life's in danger

51:38

or something like that, but I

51:41

don't know. I don't know what it is. I

51:43

mean, we'll just say he is a ape

51:47

screwing vagabond

51:49

nephlam cousin or something like

51:52

that. I don't know. I don't know

51:54

what they are, especially

51:56

if you're not having seen one, you

51:59

know, some people to look like ape, some people

52:01

say they look like human, some people say they

52:03

look like a cross between an

52:05

ape and a human with Down syndrome. You know,

52:07

that's kind of a wide spectrum

52:09

right there. So

52:12

I don't know, I don't know, a living creature that's

52:14

probably been around as long as we have. That's

52:16

about all I can tell you. Yeah,

52:19

and I appreciate your answer, Ryan. I mean,

52:21

no one really knows. And you know, when

52:23

I very first got into this, I

52:26

knew for a fact that this was

52:28

some non-human primates that

52:31

we haven't caught up with. And the

52:33

more you're into it, the more you're like, I don't

52:35

know about that. And

52:38

I know some of the weird stuff, it's like,

52:40

you know, but I'm telling

52:42

you, the weird stuff gets reported

52:44

just as consistent as the other

52:46

stuff that isn't so weird. Sasquatch

52:48

is weird in general. But

52:51

that's why it's so hard to really pick apart

52:54

this subject because you'll have some people

52:57

who will experience

52:59

stuff that seems paranormal to me. And

53:02

then you'll have other people that, you know, it

53:04

seems like they ran into an ape or gorilla

53:06

of some sort. So

53:08

it's, you know, it's one of those

53:10

things and the encounter that night that

53:12

you guys had that weird experience. Again,

53:15

I don't understand the behavior behind that.

53:18

Seems like maybe

53:20

a juvenile or something coming in

53:22

and trying to be

53:24

intimidating, I guess, but it seems like it was

53:26

more of an annoyance. Right.

53:29

Well, and one thing I think, I

53:32

didn't mention this, but so

53:35

we had cooked hot dogs

53:37

and like smoked sausage over the fire

53:39

for dinner that night. And I've got

53:41

the, you know, the Hillshire farm wrap

53:43

or whatever that has

53:46

the juice inside of it. I'd

53:48

put that in garbage bag and I'd hang it off

53:50

the side of the truck. So we have a bag

53:52

there, but trucks not going anywhere.

53:55

So whatever it was, if it had any type

53:57

of nose, if it had any type of nose, any

54:00

type of carnivorous, you would think it would

54:02

be going through the garbage, you

54:05

know, and it didn't do that.

54:09

So, like I said, I don't know. I don't know

54:11

that. And that's one thing that leads me to believe

54:13

it was not some

54:15

animal that

54:17

we think normal woodland creature. But

54:21

I don't know. I don't know. Maybe next time

54:23

I get back up there, I can, I'll

54:26

see some or not, we'll find out. I

54:28

have every intention to getting back up there. Yeah,

54:31

you'll have to let me know if you guys

54:34

go back up there, if anything else happens. And

54:37

it's a weird experience, especially when

54:39

you're out there hunting with your

54:41

son. And, you know, the mind can

54:43

go in many different ways. But like I

54:45

said, a bear doesn't make sense. A man

54:47

doesn't make sense. It's

54:49

a fascinating count. And I really appreciate you taking

54:52

the time to come on and share

54:54

it. I enjoyed chatting with you, Ryan. No,

54:57

I wanted to talk with you too, Wes. I appreciate it. Thanks

55:00

again, Ryan. And that's it for

55:02

tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had

55:05

an encounter, shoot me an email.

55:07

My email address is wes at

55:10

sasquatchchronicles.com. And if you get a

55:12

chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can

55:14

become a member and get an

55:17

additional show. Until next time, everyone.

55:56

Goodbye. I

56:00

saw a man who was a human

56:02

and a fighter And

56:08

the power grew wider

56:13

So the fire spilled a little

56:15

wiser To

56:19

give me something to quieten

56:23

I saw a man

56:25

who was a fighter

56:29

And the power grew wider To

56:33

give me something to quieten

56:38

To give me something

56:40

to quieten To

56:55

give me something to quieten To

57:22

give me something to

57:25

quieten To

57:53

give me

57:55

something to quieten I'm

58:30

not gonna do

58:32

it. I'm

58:37

not going to do it. I'm

58:44

not going to do it. I'm

58:51

not going to do it. I'm

58:56

not going to do it. I'm

59:04

not going to do it. I'm

59:11

not going to do

59:13

it. I'm

59:26

not going to do it.