0:03

It looked like somebody was bent

0:06

over and had their head in the

0:08

window of the deer blind and it

0:11

either heard me or smelled me and

0:13

he pulled his head out of the tent

0:14

and stood straight up and that

0:18

shocked me.

0:22

They don't make

0:25

people that big.

0:31

The way it moved, almost

0:35

as if it was gliding across the beach. I've

0:38

never seen anything move like that in my life.

0:45

They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

0:49

It sounded like a language and they

0:51

were chuntering away back and forwards, back and

0:53

forwards, I

0:57

know what a bear looks like and there is no way

0:59

on this planet that what I saw were bears.

1:34

Well hello my fellow believers, this

1:36

is Luke from Bend, Oregon and I

1:38

got a fever and the only prescription

1:40

is more Sasquatch Chronicles.

2:00

The

2:26

Minnesota Iceman. In 1968,

2:32

a man by the name of Frank Hansen,

2:35

who went by Captain Hansen due

2:37

to his military service, was

2:40

traveling around the United States with

2:42

a specimen. It was

2:44

described as a male, human-like, 6

2:48

feet tall, hairy, with

2:50

large hands and feet, very

2:53

dark brown hair that was about 3

2:56

or 4 inches long, and a flattened

2:58

nose.

3:00

One of its arms appeared to be broken,

3:03

and one of its eyes appeared to have

3:05

been knocked out of its socket, allegedly

3:08

by a bullet that was said

3:10

to have entered the creature's head from behind.

3:14

Frank Hansen created a sideshow

3:17

exhibit and kept this man-like

3:19

creature frozen in a block

3:21

of ice. It was displayed

3:24

at shopping malls,

3:25

state fairs, and carnivals,

3:29

and he promoted it as a missing

3:31

link. What is interesting

3:33

is at this time, most people who

3:35

viewed this creature said it

3:38

looked like a real being. The

3:40

problem was that Frank could

3:42

never keep his story straight on how

3:44

he acquired this creature.

3:47

As he toured America, he had

3:49

all of these fantastic stories on

3:51

how he obtained it. Frank didn't

3:53

really care. He was thrilled

3:55

because people were happy to pay to

3:57

see the Minnesota Iceman. It

4:00

was time to cash in.

4:11

Welcome the good people of Wisconsin. Come

4:13

one, come all. Step right up and behold

4:16

the Minnesota Iceman. Please

4:18

form a line here. And no pushing.

4:21

Everyone will have a chance to see it. Yes,

4:25

you in the back. What is your question? Where

4:28

in God's name did you get this?

4:30

Funny story, Jack. A Japanese

4:33

whaling ship found the body. They didn't

4:35

want it so I took it.

4:38

Why take it? Because

4:40

that's how I roll.

4:42

Are there any other questions I can give non-answers

4:44

to?

4:48

Thank you for coming. The Iceman

4:50

and I are glad to be here in Stinktown, Nebraska.

4:54

Form a line here to see the Iceman. Are

4:57

there any questions? Yes,

5:01

you in the red dress.

5:03

Yes, I have one. How did you

5:05

acquire this creature? You

5:07

are the first person to ask me that. The

5:10

animal was shot on a hunting trip in the

5:12

White Face Reservoir region of Minnesota.

5:16

I also got my first elk of the season. It

5:18

was a hell of a day.

5:25

I am happy to be here in Ohio. Come

5:28

on, come all and get a good look at the Minnesota

5:30

Iceman. Everyone better have

5:32

paid at the door. Who

5:35

has a question for me? Go

5:37

ahead, Jack. What is your

5:39

question? Mr.

5:42

Hansen, how did you get the body? First

5:45

time I have been asked that. Well, let

5:47

me tell you, Jack, the body was discovered

5:49

floating in a block of ice off the

5:51

Siberian coast by a Russian hunting vessel.

5:55

Can you believe that? A block of freaking

5:57

ice. I

6:02

am thrilled to be in Iowa. Form

6:04

a single line here. Step right up

6:07

and get a look at this freak show. Are

6:10

there any questions for me?

6:12

Yes, where did you get this creature?

6:15

That is a great question. No one has

6:17

asked me that before. I have

6:19

some business connections in China. The

6:22

body was found in a deep freeze

6:24

facility in Hong Kong.

6:26

And you just took the creature? That's

6:29

how I roll. No

6:31

more questions. I

6:41

always assumed that the Minnesota

6:43

Iceman was nothing more than a stuffed

6:45

dummy that Frank created.

6:48

About five years ago, I

6:50

was contacted by a retired

6:52

professor of anthropology

6:55

from a prestigious university here

6:58

in the United States. He told

7:00

me back in 1969, he viewed the Minnesota

7:03

Iceman and was 99.9% sure it was real.

7:09

At the time, Frank was charging

7:11

a nickel or quarter or

7:13

whatever it was at that time to view

7:15

it.

7:16

And this professor had paid five

7:19

dollars so he could stay

7:21

and examine this creature. He

7:23

was convinced by the biology

7:26

and the physical characteristics that

7:28

this creature was very real. He

7:31

said that he had returned to see the Minnesota

7:33

Iceman again in the mid

7:36

70s.

7:37

And he told me it wasn't the same creature

7:39

he saw in 1969. This

7:42

one in the mid 70s was an obvious

7:45

stuffed dummy. In 1968,

7:48

the specimen was brought

7:50

to the attention of cryptozoologist

7:54

Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard

7:56

Huvelmans, who was a scientist

7:59

and explorer.

8:00

Sanderson and Hoevelman's

8:02

examined the Iceman in December

8:05

of 1968 at Hanson's

8:07

home where

8:09

it was being stored off-show

8:11

for the winter. Both men became

8:14

convinced it was real, so

8:16

much so that they prepared detailed

8:18

illustrations. And Hoevelman's,

8:21

being a scientist, was planning

8:24

to have this creature described

8:26

in technical literature.

8:28

At one point, Sanderson

8:31

and Hoevelman were examining

8:33

the body, and during this examination,

8:36

the glass over the case

8:38

cracked.

8:40

Frank was not happy.

8:47

Hey hey hey what the hell Jack? Who

8:49

the f*** is going to pay for this you f***ing donkey?

8:53

I should have never let you donkeys in here.

8:56

When the glass broke, the men

8:58

said it released an odor and

9:00

they described it as decomposing

9:03

flesh. Hoevelman's published

9:05

a 1969 paper in a Belgian scientific

9:09

journal, identifying

9:11

it as a new species of the

9:13

human genus. He named

9:16

it Homo pongnoids, meaning

9:19

ape-like man. One

9:26

of the stranger theories about the body's

9:28

origin is that it was collected

9:30

in Vietnam and flown

9:33

to the United States in a body bag.

9:36

Hoevelman's had had reports sent

9:38

to him and he connected

9:40

it with the story of this huge ape

9:42

being killed in Daeng

9:45

Mang Vietnam

9:47

in 1966. This reported incident

9:50

was where Hanson had been stationed

9:52

during the war. During the Vietnam

9:55

War,

9:55

many soldiers had run-ins with

9:58

what they called rock apes.

9:59

They are like Sasquatch reports

10:02

in North America, only smaller.

10:05

Most veterans said that they were on average

10:08

about 6 feet tall. The face

10:10

of the rock apes resembled what

10:12

a Neanderthal might look like. The

10:15

original Minnesota Iceman seemed

10:17

to vanish, disappear. Many

10:20

years later, Frank had another Minnesota

10:23

Iceman and started touring

10:25

with it, but the second one

10:27

was clearly a stuffed dummy.

10:29

Tonight I'll be speaking to Mike

10:33

and his father Carl, who is a retired

10:35

deputy sheriff, and his wife

10:37

Pam, who's retired

10:40

from the mail clinic. In the

10:42

late 60s, they lived next door

10:44

to Frank Hansen. If

10:46

you've had an encounter and you'd like to be

10:48

on the show, shoot me an email. My

10:51

email address is Wes at SasquatchChronicles.com.

10:56

And if you get a chance, check out SasquatchChronicles.com.

10:59

You can become a member and get

11:02

additional shows. Let's jump

11:04

into it tonight. I want to welcome Mike

11:06

to the show. Mike, thanks for

11:08

coming on.

11:10

Well, thanks for having me on, Wes. And

11:12

I also want to welcome your parents, Pam

11:15

and Carl. Thank you guys for

11:17

being here. Thank you. And

11:20

I want to start with you, Mike, with

11:22

this whole Minnesota Iceman and you guys

11:24

living right next door to Frank Hansen.

11:27

If you would kind of give me a background, how

11:29

did you guys end up

11:31

living next door to this guy?

11:34

So my mom grew up

11:36

in a small community. I won't be in the town. Population

11:41

of 356 people. And she met

11:43

my dad and they got married and we

11:45

moved on to a factory

11:47

farm right next door to Frank Hansen.

11:51

And we lived there for

11:53

probably four years. But my

11:55

dad's twin brother worked

11:58

for Frank on the farm. And

12:01

then my dad also worked for Frank part-time

12:03

on the farm. And

12:05

you know, as a kid, I didn't

12:08

really know any of this stuff. And I got into a book

12:11

in the library at our little school. And

12:15

I was reading about Minnesota Giants.

12:18

And so I went to my grandma's house. I

12:20

can't remember if we were just visiting.

12:22

And I told my grandma, I was doing

12:25

in school and I said, Oh, I'm reading a lot of books. And

12:27

she was good. She says, what are you reading? I

12:29

just read this really weird book

12:31

about Giants found in Minnesota.

12:34

And my grandmother said,

12:36

Oh, yeah, my her

12:39

mother, their parents took their

12:41

whole family to see

12:43

these things that they had dug

12:45

up in Minnesota. And I'm like, Are you kidding me, grandma?

12:48

You know, because grandma said this is gospel. And

12:51

I'm like, You're kidding me. And she goes, No. And

12:53

I said, Well, do you know anything? Is there

12:55

any other weird stuff like that going on? And

12:57

I was in second grade, first, second grade.

13:00

And she's like, Well, you know, Captain Hanson. And

13:02

I'm like, Well, yeah, she goes, Well, I think

13:04

he's got a Bigfoot. And

13:06

so that started, you know, I asked my

13:08

parents about it. And everybody

13:11

knows that. And then I asked some of the kids at

13:13

school and I didn't get such a good

13:15

reception on it.

13:16

But so that's where our story starts. And if

13:18

you would like, I'll let you talk to my folks.

13:22

Yeah, let me ask you, Carl, because you're

13:24

a retired deputy sheriff. I mean, when

13:27

you were living next door to Frank, did

13:29

you just think this guy was crazy?

13:32

No, actually, he was a good neighbor. He

13:34

was gone all summer.

13:37

We didn't know why he would just

13:39

take off and go, but he was gone all

13:41

summer. And we'd see him once

13:43

in a while during the winter. That's

13:45

why my brother was working for him because he had a

13:47

little farm. And

13:50

he wasn't able to take care of the animals because

13:52

he was on the road all the time. And

13:54

he'd come home one time and I got to talk

13:56

to him. And yeah, he says,

13:58

I've got. I've got the ice

14:01

man. This is what he called

14:03

him. I said, really? He said, yes.

14:06

I said, my son sure would like to see

14:08

that. He said, well, you guys are welcome to come up and see

14:10

it. And

14:13

he kept it in one of the buildings at the

14:15

lumber yard. And it was in a

14:17

freezer, a chest-type freezer. And

14:20

it was covered with ice. And

14:24

he said that. It

14:26

was hit by a car in Wisconsin,

14:30

excuse me, Northern Wisconsin someplace. I don't know if it

14:32

was Sparta. I mean, not Sparta, but

14:35

Menominee or something like that. But anyway, he ended

14:39

up with it. He froze

14:41

it immediately. So it

14:43

was in a big block of ice. And it kind of looked

14:46

like, it didn't look like

14:48

the Bigfoot you see on TV. I'm

14:51

thinking this was kind of a younger one. I

14:53

mean, he had the bristly hair all over

14:56

his body. And

14:59

his face kind of looked like some

15:01

of the earlier cavemen.

15:04

And he said that he used to take

15:06

it on tour all summer.

15:09

That's why we never saw him. It's

15:11

a mall of things all over the United States.

15:15

If the big mall opened up, they'd get ahold of him.

15:17

And he'd bring it down. And he'd set it

15:19

up in someplace in the mall. And

15:21

they had a big gate they walked through. And they'd

15:24

pay you a quarter or whatever it was he charged.

15:28

Yeah, there's so many different accounts

15:31

of, you know, it's like I was telling

15:34

the members on Friday night, Frank

15:36

is so shady about where he got this

15:39

thing. So

15:41

he's telling you guys it was hit by a car

15:44

in Wisconsin. Did he

15:46

go into any more details about how he came across

15:48

it, how he acquired it?

15:52

He just said that it was hit by

15:54

a car in northern Wisconsin.

15:56

He didn't say how he ended

15:59

up with it. in Talisab,

16:01

I don't think. Uncle Irving said that he had bought

16:03

it. Okay, from whoever has hit it. Okay.

16:08

And Carl, can I ask you, I mean, as

16:11

a law enforcement, retired law enforcement,

16:14

when you go up and you look at this

16:16

Minnesota Iceman that Frank has,

16:19

and you're looking at it, what's going through your mind

16:22

at this point when you're looking at it?

16:26

You know, I don't really know.

16:29

This was 50 some years ago. It

16:33

definitely looked like a body. If I

16:35

remember right, there was even a little bit of blood that

16:37

had come out of the mouth. But

16:40

I know that he

16:42

couldn't take it into Canada because

16:45

the customs wanted to probe it. And

16:48

he wouldn't allow that. And

16:50

when he told me that he wouldn't let her probe it, I thought,

16:52

well, that's because it's not real. Well, the

16:55

more I thought about it, the more I thought, well,

16:58

if I own that, I wouldn't let him probe it either.

17:01

Yeah, I've read many different accounts of him

17:03

trying to take it into Canada and the

17:06

Canadians not letting him bring it

17:08

across the border. Pam,

17:11

when you saw it,

17:13

what were you thinking when he saw this thing?

17:15

First impression

17:17

was, oh my gosh, what does he have? Because

17:20

it didn't look like anything we had ever

17:22

seen. And you have to remember, this is in

17:25

early 60s and,

17:28

oh no, it was late 60s, Mark. You,

17:32

there was still belief in a lot of different

17:34

things. But my husband

17:36

said he had the blood

17:39

coming out. And to me, I thought, that's

17:41

just a makeup type

17:44

thing to make people think, oh

17:46

my gosh, that really is.

17:48

I thought at first it was real.

17:50

I couldn't figure out where in the

17:52

heck he would have gotten it. And

17:56

you almost feel sorry for whatever

17:58

it was because. It

18:00

stuck there forever. And,

18:02

you know, nobody could test anything

18:05

on him. But back then we

18:07

didn't really have a lot of major

18:09

tests that we know of now. But

18:13

I just, I was amazed.

18:16

I thought for sure that was real. The

18:18

blood thing turned me off. But,

18:21

you know, I'm not afraid of blood, but it just, that

18:24

was more fake than anything.

18:27

Because blood, if it

18:29

sits a long time, blood does not stay

18:31

red. And this was a bright

18:33

red. So that's kind of... It's

18:36

like makeup. Yeah, one of the things. And

18:38

it was kind of crystallized in a way.

18:41

So it wasn't a clear, you know,

18:45

clear view, but yet it was. Like

18:48

you could see little crystals

18:50

on him.

18:52

I don't know. It was hard to believe,

18:54

but yet you couldn't say

18:56

it wasn't. So

18:58

we go with I believe. Yeah,

19:01

it's interesting you say that, Pam. In

19:04

the intro I talked about the anthropologist

19:06

and he kind of said the same

19:09

thing. Carl, do you think

19:11

Frank was actually painting blood

19:14

on there, you know, when he was taken around the United

19:16

States?

19:18

I don't know. I don't know.

19:22

All I know is it looked like

19:24

it just trickled a little bit and

19:26

it was frozen in the ice. That's...

19:29

You know, he was...

19:29

Title

19:30

was Captain Hanson. So he was

19:32

retired from the military. I don't know what

19:34

branch he was in.

19:36

And I know that we thought it was blood

19:39

because, you know, somebody that

19:41

retired from the military wouldn't really be pulling

19:43

your legs.

19:44

We didn't think. But

19:47

it definitely was real.

19:51

I know it was.

19:53

I think it was maybe a young one because it doesn't

19:55

look like any pictures I've seen

19:58

since. And

20:00

I, you know, that's what I

20:02

can say. If we ever heard anything

20:05

weird in the way of this, I always thought maybe

20:08

a herd of them are coming to get him

20:10

or something. You know, it wasn't just a

20:12

pleasant thing being right next door, actually,

20:16

with that there. And

20:19

when he was showing you guys this body,

20:21

was he saying, hey, this

20:23

is Bigfoot or Sasquatch? Did he

20:25

kind of use that sort of verbiage?

20:28

Nope, he called it the Iceman. He says, this

20:30

is my frozen Iceman. He didn't call it a

20:32

Sasquatch. He didn't call it a... No,

20:35

it

20:36

was the frozen man. It's a frozen Iceman.

20:39

Yeah, and throughout the Minnesota

20:42

Iceman's history, at some

20:44

point in time, the

20:46

one that you guys saw vanishes.

20:48

It disappears. And almost

20:51

everyone I've spoken with that

20:53

saw that back in the late 60s,

20:56

they all agreed. They thought it was

20:58

real. But, you know, later

21:01

when people went and saw somewhere

21:03

down the road, another one showed up. And

21:05

I guess it was just a really bad fake.

21:08

It was just kind of a stuffed dummy.

21:11

Were you guys around during that time with Frank

21:14

when that was going on?

21:16

No, no, I don't. Actually,

21:19

we only lived next to him for,

21:21

I'd be about five years.

21:24

And then we were pastored again. So, no,

21:27

I don't know. But

21:28

it sure looked real to me.

21:31

So, when we were

21:34

at my dad's mom and

21:36

dad's, we were

21:38

there for a visit. And we

21:40

usually stayed pretty late there. And on the news one,

21:42

I think it was 60 minutes or... It

21:45

was one of those

21:46

reputable TV shows at the time. And they

21:48

had Captain Hanson on there.

21:50

And they were asking him a bunch of questions and

21:53

this and that. And like the following

21:56

week, I

21:58

was coming home on the bus. bus and

22:01

there were like six squad cars in

22:03

Captain Hanson's front yard and

22:05

two black cars on marked

22:08

cars with a back hole

22:10

out there digging

22:12

on his property and it was shortly after

22:14

that that this thing came

22:17

up missing. So it was my

22:19

always kind of my thought is one you

22:21

know when he started getting too much heat from the government

22:24

on this thing he made it disappear and

22:27

they thought he buried it

22:29

and they were out there digging up his

22:31

property. They

22:33

told him he had to stop

22:36

showing it unless they could

22:39

prove that it was real.

22:41

I don't

22:44

know what company wanted that.

22:47

I don't think the police department would have

22:49

but until you know

22:51

they wouldn't let him show it anymore unless

22:53

they could

22:54

find out exactly they wanted to chip

22:56

ice away and

22:58

feel and everything.

23:00

Yeah, that part makes me kind of stop

23:03

and go hmm because if it's

23:05

nothing more than just a dummy that

23:08

he made and you know it's a

23:10

pretty good dummy looking at those

23:12

pictures. I'm not so sure it was

23:15

a dummy but why

23:17

would the government care? I mean to the point

23:20

to where you

23:21

know they're digging up this guy's yard to

23:24

get it.

23:26

Mike when how old were you when

23:28

you saw it? You

23:31

know I was probably in second

23:33

or third grade but it's

23:35

one of those it's one of those memories where

23:37

I don't remember per

23:39

se seeing it

23:42

or if you know I don't remember if what I remember

23:44

about it is from seeing it or from what I've

23:46

heard from my parents.

23:50

I'll be honest with you we didn't really ever

23:52

talk about this.

23:54

Maybe two years ago after I started listening

23:56

to your show is when

23:58

I mentioned it to my wife. that we used to

24:00

live next door to this guy, otherwise we just

24:02

didn't talk about it. So

24:05

I do know that the University of Minnesota

24:07

had taken a sample

24:09

of it and that was one of

24:12

because he was getting so much heat from the government

24:15

and that was the scuttle butt going around this little

24:17

town. My grandma lived next to the cafe

24:20

and she got all the good gossip because she

24:22

helped out there. But I

24:24

know that the University

24:27

of Minnesota had gotten a

24:29

sample and then I do

24:32

know that Frank tried taking it up into

24:34

Canada and they

24:36

told him if they got it over the border they were going to

24:38

confiscate it. So the

24:40

government was going to take it from him because they wanted

24:43

to see if he had a human being because it

24:45

looked like a, like my dad said, Harry,

24:48

looked like a hairy Neanderthal, you know,

24:51

and yeah they wanted to make sure it wasn't a human.

24:54

It was too big for a human. The

24:56

arms were really long and just and

24:58

he was built

25:00

different. I

25:03

think the chest was big,

25:06

if I remember right. So

25:08

it was kind of muscular, it had

25:10

big legs on it and

25:13

the feet were humongous. I

25:16

remember looking at those feet and God those are big. But

25:19

no, it definitely wasn't a human but I

25:23

think at one time it was a living creature.

25:26

Yeah, it makes me wonder if the

25:29

University tipped off the government

25:32

to some findings that they had. Let

25:35

me ask you Carl, when you were looking

25:37

at it, as

25:40

far as like the face, what were

25:42

some similarities as far

25:44

as it looking human but not being

25:47

human?

25:51

It had dark colored hair

25:54

all over the face and the body.

25:57

It kind of reminded me of like

26:00

a pig hide, pig skin,

26:03

fur hide. I

26:05

mean, it was just, it looked brissy.

26:07

And

26:09

the face was, the muscle, the

26:12

bone in the face looked

26:15

like it was bigger than a regular human's.

26:18

I thought it looked a lot like caveman,

26:21

like a caveman's face.

26:25

Yeah, I'm jealous of you guys, because all

26:27

this is before my time. And all

26:30

I can really look at now is black and white

26:32

pictures. But you guys got to really

26:35

examine this saying. Carl,

26:37

when you were looking at it, I mean, did it remind

26:39

you more of like an animal, like a non-human

26:42

primate, or did it remind you

26:44

more human-like?

26:47

Well, it looked more like

26:49

a human than it did an animal. I mean,

26:51

it didn't look like an animal. It looked,

26:54

it looked like a caveman, that's

26:56

what it looked like. It had longer

26:58

arms, like an ape would have. That's what,

27:00

you know, he said the arms were longer.

27:04

It sure looked darn real. I wish we

27:06

could have

27:07

taken pictures, but that was one thing he

27:09

didn't want us to do.

27:11

You know, and I'm

27:14

not sure why, so. But we, you know,

27:16

if you want to see something, more than once

27:18

you do what they want.

27:21

Yeah, one of the theories you'll read online

27:23

is that he didn't want anyone looking

27:26

too closely at it because he was worried

27:29

that it would come back human, and

27:32

he'd be charged with, well,

27:34

all sorts of different charges, but, you

27:36

know, having a dead human and a block of ice,

27:38

and that's why he wouldn't let

27:41

the authorities really look at it. And

27:43

I don't buy any of that for a second. You

27:46

know, my first knee-jerk reaction

27:49

is, yeah, he doesn't want anyone looking at

27:51

it because it's hollow. But the

27:53

more you look into this Minnesota Iceman

27:55

story, the weirder and weirder

27:57

it gets, and here's my channel.

27:59

on Frank. I think

28:02

that he was a type of guy that

28:04

I kind of think this first

28:06

one might have been real, but

28:08

he got into the money.

28:10

He was going around with it, collecting

28:13

money. He was chasing pennies, basically.

28:17

And at the end of the day, I don't think that

28:19

he wanted it examined. I think he knew

28:21

he'd be taken away. Well, what's your

28:23

take on Frank?

28:26

He was kind of like what you just said.

28:28

The people in town

28:30

just, I don't think

28:32

anybody trusts what he said because

28:35

they all thought

28:37

he was a fake.

28:38

In small towns, if you come and

28:40

you haven't lived there

28:44

even 20 years, but we

28:46

had a teacher that moved in. And about 25

28:48

years later, he

28:51

was still considered the new teacher.

28:54

So that's how towns

28:56

are. So with Captain

28:59

Hansen's, he never

29:01

did fit. He didn't fit. Yeah. And

29:03

he didn't socialize with anybody

29:05

in town.

29:07

So I'm just not, just kind of

29:09

strange. I would think

29:11

if you wanted to sell

29:13

pictures or sell whatever,

29:16

you would be more social. He wasn't.

29:18

I don't know where he went

29:20

when he went for entertainment.

29:22

He maybe went to the cities or Rochester,

29:26

but he didn't stay in that small town.

29:29

Yeah. So he was kind

29:31

of a loner. Pretty much

29:33

so. He had two sons and I think he had

29:35

a daughter. And

29:36

I'm sure they're still alive.

29:39

Two boys were in college, I think, when he

29:42

was out on the farm.

29:43

And I think his daughter had gotten married or something.

29:46

So we never really met them.

29:48

Yeah. I didn't know that he had any children.

29:51

And

29:52

even being kind of a loner,

29:54

I mean, Carl, you worked for

29:56

him. You did a lot of part-time work on

29:58

his farm.

29:59

What was he like?

30:02

You know, he was very meticulous.

30:05

He wanted things done a certain way and

30:10

that's all you did it. And

30:12

his equipment was top

30:14

notch and

30:16

he expected to take care of it. I mean, just

30:18

like a regular farmer,

30:20

you know. He was a nice person.

30:23

He was a nice guy. He was very social,

30:26

sociable. And

30:27

yeah, I liked him.

30:30

Yeah, and you know, coming from a law enforcement

30:33

background, you know, where people are lying to

30:35

you and you know, you can generally

30:37

smell BS a mile away. But

30:40

with regard to Frank, you never

30:42

once got that sense from him.

30:45

No, no, I did not. I

30:47

did not. He'd

30:49

answer your questions and he had newspaper

30:52

articles. My god, they were from all over

30:54

the United States.

30:56

And he's here. They

30:59

threw him. I mean, he didn't care. I wasn't,

31:01

he wasn't trying to hide anything. He just,

31:04

you know, he would take them to malls whenever

31:06

they opened up and charge a fee to see it.

31:09

And yeah, it was,

31:11

I didn't have a problem

31:14

with that. I guess you make a buck where

31:16

you can make a buck. Yeah.

31:18

And you know, people who are around

31:20

during this time and

31:23

had met Frank and had seen

31:26

this first version or this

31:28

first creature that

31:30

he was out there promoting and trying to

31:32

make money off of. And I'm

31:35

with you, Carl. I got no issues with

31:37

that. I do remember

31:39

though, I can't remember if it was the anthropologist

31:42

that told me this or not, but he

31:44

would actually like defrost

31:47

it and put it kind of in different

31:49

positions and then freeze it again. And

31:53

I want to ask you, Pam, at

31:56

the time that you looked at this thing

31:58

and you come from a healthcare.

31:59

background. Did you notice

32:02

any sort of injuries on this creature

32:04

when you were looking at it?

32:07

No, just the blood on his mouth

32:10

was the only thing I saw I guess. At

32:12

that time I wasn't really looking

32:14

for any injuries but

32:17

that was, that kind of took,

32:20

people would look at that more than they probably

32:22

did some of the other parts of him.

32:24

They looked closer at the blood but I

32:28

didn't see any injuries. You

32:31

probably were internal if he got hit.

32:33

I don't know. You know

32:35

I didn't either. I didn't notice any deformities

32:38

from, and

32:41

yeah you're right. If you would have got hit

32:43

by a car you would have sure thought something would

32:45

have been broken and missed on

32:47

a place.

32:49

Yeah I know that some people who did

32:51

examine it, they said the one

32:54

of the eyeballs was coming out

32:57

of the socket. It was kind of hanging there

32:59

and I think the other thing they reported

33:02

was a broken arm.

33:04

But you know, and

33:06

you're right Pam, I mean if he

33:08

had been hit by a car there

33:11

would have been a lot more damage to that body

33:14

or with the old, you know, it was shot

33:16

in the back of the head. If it was shot in

33:18

the back of the head half of that skull would be

33:20

missing and it makes me wonder

33:22

if maybe he damaged it.

33:25

You know trying to get it in that

33:28

box or moving the corpse around

33:30

if it was a corpse and maybe

33:32

he caused the injuries.

33:35

It was like they froze him in too small

33:37

of a box to start out with.

33:39

You know because he was kind of bunched up.

33:43

Yeah I agree Mike. I mean it looks

33:45

like you know 20 pounds of

33:47

flesh put in a five-pound bag. I

33:50

mean it is kind of crammed in there. You

33:53

know with all the mysteries about where

33:55

he got this thing from, one of

33:58

the things that I thought about

33:59

was maybe Frank did shoot

34:02

this thing. Do you

34:05

think maybe he shot it there? You guys knew the

34:08

area at that time. Do you think he shot

34:11

it close by his home and

34:13

just didn't want to say that?

34:15

Not near his home because

34:18

ours was a farming community. There

34:20

was no forest around there,

34:22

but I could see it in Wisconsin.

34:25

That northern park, they had bear.

34:27

They've got all kinds of animals running around there.

34:30

I just can't bear, but not

34:32

where we live. It was all agriculture. Yeah,

34:37

if it's real, I'd sure love

34:39

to know where he got it from.

34:42

Mike, I know when I was

34:44

talking to you, I was kind of

34:46

telling you about the history of the

34:48

Minnesota Iceman and how

34:50

it just kind of

34:51

disappears.

34:53

Somewhere down the road, a

34:56

second version shows up that's not very

34:58

good. You kind of cleared

35:01

the air for me on why it disappeared.

35:04

If you would, share that with the audience.

35:07

Well, so a

35:11

little while after we moved out of this small town,

35:14

the building that it was in burned for

35:16

the ground. It

35:19

was supposed to have been in that building. So

35:23

as far as we know, the thing really got destroyed.

35:25

And that would have been like 1976.

35:29

So

35:31

we always figured, you know, anything that was

35:33

spotted after that, that somebody says they

35:35

have the Minnesota Iceman

35:37

is probably a fake.

35:40

That's what we were led to believe was that it was in

35:42

the, in this lumber yard

35:44

fire. Building burnt down. And

35:46

you know, the thing of it is, is

35:49

there probably wouldn't have been much of an investigation

35:51

into it because they knew it was in the building.

35:54

And you

35:54

know, they wouldn't have been out

35:56

of the ordinary. So nobody probably even

35:59

dug into it.

35:59

or do you know what I mean?

36:02

Yeah, it actually makes sense because like

36:04

I said, that second

36:07

version that shows up, everyone

36:09

that looks at it goes,

36:11

it's a joke, it's a stuff dummy.

36:14

You guys had moved away

36:16

at this point, correct?

36:18

Yeah, we had moved away. We

36:21

were still in the community and mom and dad still

36:23

had all the ties because we only moved about 15

36:26

miles away, and they

36:28

were still involved in all the JCs and

36:30

that type of stuff in this area. So

36:33

they, I mean, they pretty much were still in contact

36:35

with all their old friends. My dad

36:38

went to work for the factory

36:40

farm. So he was still in this little town working.

36:43

And my parents came in. My mom's

36:45

parents still live there.

36:47

So I mean, we still had contact and that's what

36:49

we had heard through the people that we still

36:51

had contact with is that this thing was

36:54

in the building.

36:55

Whatever happened to Frank Hanson,

36:58

do you guys know?

36:59

We're not sure. We, I'm

37:03

not sure when he, well, yeah, obviously he's dead.

37:05

We're not sure when he died, but

37:09

I think he moved off the farm at some

37:12

point, didn't he? Dad, I don't know. I don't

37:14

think so. Not that I'm aware

37:17

of. With him not being

37:19

part of the community, he

37:21

wasn't gossiped about again.

37:23

Yeah, it's, yeah, right. I

37:26

don't know what happened to him. I mean, I don't know what happened

37:28

to him. When

37:30

did you, when did

37:32

that second one appear? Do you remember what

37:34

year?

37:36

Yeah, I'm really not sure on the

37:38

date. I've been told mid to late

37:40

seventies. Some people

37:43

say many, many years later when

37:46

they went to look at the Minnesota Iceman

37:48

again, it really wasn't

37:50

what they saw back in 69. And

37:54

the fire makes sense. I think probably

37:57

what happened with Frank is, You

38:00

know that that first one I think could

38:02

possibly be real and I

38:04

think he wanted to make you know He's happy making

38:06

money. He was happy going around showboating

38:09

and I think he kind of came

38:11

up with a plan to

38:14

To make one throw

38:16

it back in ice and he's back

38:18

out on the road I

38:21

do remember I don't think he

38:23

actually made it into Canada. I do

38:26

remember the reports of The

38:28

Canadian border stopping him

38:32

Yes, yes, he was

38:34

Yeah, I know I know they were gonna take it from them

38:37

They were worried about disease. Oh

38:39

Yeah, I understand that I mean

38:41

you can't blame the the Canadians

38:44

I mean most countries you can't take

38:46

fruit in let alone a body

38:48

and I so I Get

38:50

I get completely why they wouldn't let

38:53

him in and it's so cool to talk

38:55

to you guys you know because you kind of get

38:57

more of an inside of What

38:59

was going on and you know you hear

39:01

about all the accounts of you

39:03

know Frank was being harassed by the government

39:06

But

39:07

I'm not so sure it's written by anyone who

39:09

knew him and you guys knew him

39:12

I mean they came and dug up his yard and they

39:14

were all over this guy I'm

39:16

envious that you had the opportunity to

39:19

meet him and and really examine

39:21

this thing

39:23

Well, I think you're right about Frank

39:25

wanting to make a buck off it I think

39:28

what they had animal he thought he was gonna be the new

39:30

PT Barnum and And

39:33

I think you're right also and the government started

39:35

leaning on him That's

39:38

when he knew it was serious as he like he was

39:40

in the military. So He

39:43

was evasive enough so that when you

39:45

ask him questions

39:47

He never said yes, it is. Oh, no

39:49

it isn't

39:50

so You know, you couldn't say he

39:52

was lying because he never

39:55

really pinpointed

39:56

Anything other than it was hit and this

39:59

is what it is

40:01

Well, I truly believe that

40:03

it was real. I didn't see. I

40:05

really do.

40:07

Yeah, you kind of get a sense of why

40:10

Frank was so shady and why he

40:13

was so dodgy with answering

40:16

questions and kind of

40:18

chasing the pennies out there. I

40:20

think if he would have gone about it a different way,

40:22

he would have made some real money and furthered

40:26

the subject. But

40:29

you know, who knows? With the pressure he

40:31

was under, they probably would have just

40:33

taken it. I

40:35

think the government would have had it in about two seconds.

40:39

If there was any proof, I think

40:41

they would have had it in about two seconds

40:43

for as much as they were all over that man.

40:46

Over the time that we knew him, his story never

40:49

changed about where he got it from and

40:51

how he came across him. But it was always hit

40:53

by a car

40:55

and it was always northern Wisconsin.

40:58

Mike, let me ask you. Here's

41:02

Frank. He's under the thumb of the government.

41:05

They're watching everything he does. Obviously,

41:09

he's not looking to prove anything.

41:11

He just kind of wants to make a buck.

41:14

Do you think it was arson? Do you think he

41:16

burnt that place down? That

41:18

way he could go back to the government and go, hey, it's gone.

41:21

He can go make his stuffed doll and go

41:23

make his money and most of

41:25

his problems go away.

41:28

No, he wouldn't

41:30

do that. I don't think

41:32

he would do that.

41:34

And for the simple fact

41:36

was this building was in the middle

41:38

of town

41:40

next to the restaurant, the only restaurant

41:42

in town. And

41:44

there was houses around it and stuff like

41:46

that. I just don't see him doing

41:49

anything like that at all. No,

41:52

I

41:53

mean, when that burnt, it

41:55

was big.

41:57

It was one of the only businesses

41:59

we had. So if something

42:01

burns in a small town, it hurts everybody.

42:05

Yeah, must have just been a freak

42:08

accident.

42:09

It's very insightful. I really appreciate

42:12

your time, Pam and Carl.

42:15

And before I go, I know that

42:18

Mike, you said you had an encounter. Is

42:20

this on

42:22

your property? Yeah,

42:24

this is on our property. So

42:27

my wife and I bought a

42:29

pasture, a 25 acre pasture,

42:33

and we put a new house on it. And

42:35

the second year that we were there, we finished

42:37

our deck. And it's a new

42:39

house. We both smoke and

42:42

we don't smoke in the house.

42:45

So we went out on the back deck and

42:47

we're sitting there having a cigarette.

42:49

And both of us at the

42:51

same time, look, and we see these

42:54

these three things and they're

42:56

big and they're on

42:58

all fours and they are buggia. And

43:01

I mean, they're hauling ass. And

43:05

at first you write it off as a bear.

43:08

You know, we occasionally get bear down here,

43:11

but these would have, you know, they would have had to been

43:13

in like the six, seven, hundred pound range

43:15

for something to be that big because

43:17

the grass they were running through was

43:19

probably about four foot tall

43:22

and they moved funny.

43:25

And they were, I can't pinpoint

43:29

why they moved funny, but it wasn't

43:32

a bear because bears that big don't

43:34

hang out together. Plus we don't

43:37

have bears that big down here. Like occasionally

43:39

once in a while, we'll get a 300 pound

43:42

bear that wanders down here

43:44

from up north and it's usually

43:46

sick. And they die because it's

43:50

just, it's not the right, it's

43:52

not the right stuff down here for them. There's not

43:54

enough food or things

43:57

like that, you know, and bears in Minnesota.

44:00

a 600 pound bear you probably got a state

44:02

record because they're not that big here. So

44:05

yeah we both you know we both sat

44:07

and watched these and you know it's

44:09

like your other collars you know you see something

44:11

like that you try to write it off it's something you know

44:14

but that's that's not common down here. How

44:18

far away from you was these these

44:21

creatures that you saw? Probably

44:24

about 300 yards from them. And

44:27

Mike when you say it moved funny

44:29

what do you mean by that?

44:31

I like when a dog runs they'll kind of

44:34

their legs will tuck up underneath them because

44:37

you know now if they're play running but I mean if they're scared

44:39

running they'll tuck their butt down and

44:41

and run fast like that. Well

44:43

these things were moving that fast where if would have

44:45

been a dog it would have tucked his hind end down but

44:48

it didn't. And you know a

44:50

bear a bear when they

44:52

run they kind of accordion they'll

44:55

stretch long with the front end and

44:57

push hard with the front end and then their

44:59

back feet will come up in between their legs and

45:02

they'll push hard with their back legs so they kind

45:04

of do an accordion thing you know and

45:07

this didn't do that. And plus you know

45:09

like a bear when they're running they'll stretch their head

45:11

out. I don't know if that's a balanced

45:13

thing or or if it's why they

45:16

do it but we couldn't see the heads on

45:18

these when they were running and that

45:20

might have been why it seemed funny.

45:23

And at the time of seeing these sayings

45:25

how long had you actually lived

45:28

on the property? Well

45:30

at that time we'd only lived on there probably

45:32

two years. You know it was a past year

45:34

so nobody had lived there and

45:36

I

45:38

hadn't hunted or anything out there so there was no

45:40

pressure. There was no pressure out

45:42

there for hunting for probably 20 years.

45:45

Yeah and from reading your email Mike

45:48

I know there was two other things that happened

45:51

that mainly vocalizations but

45:54

how much later was the next incident?

45:58

Well it was probably about a year later.

45:59

maybe a year, year and a half later

46:02

because we had mowed some trails

46:04

out back in our property. We got like 25

46:06

acres and it's set up kind of funny

46:09

and we had trails out there mowed

46:11

and I was taking my wife out to show her this

46:14

little spot I made for us out there. I mowed it

46:16

down nice over our creek and

46:18

we're walking back there and

46:20

something let out

46:23

a growl or roar.

46:26

Go freaking loud that

46:29

we can feel it in our bodies

46:31

and I'm gonna relate this to you.

46:33

I've been to like seven or eight ACDC

46:35

concerts and the

46:38

last one we were at we got really good seats

46:41

and it was up front in the middle and they

46:44

hit that first note on

46:46

the guitars and it was uncomfortable.

46:49

It vibrated so much that

46:51

is exactly the feeling

46:53

that I had when this thing let loose

46:55

and it sounded like it was in our back

46:59

pockets. We stopped

47:01

and both of us just like stopped in our tracks

47:04

and without a word we both turned

47:06

around and we beat hell to the house.

47:09

I mean I'm looking back behind us and it's

47:12

nothing it's like

47:15

what was that? Where the hell is it?

47:18

How can something be that

47:20

loud

47:21

and not see it?

47:25

How could you feel something? ACDC

47:29

I'm 100 feet off the front stage I can see

47:31

them speakers and I know what's causing them. Out

47:33

there I couldn't see nothing. There was

47:36

nothing that should have caused that

47:38

noise and it was like

47:40

immediate stop turn

47:43

and flee. We didn't

47:49

say a whole lot about it but we both were

47:51

like what the hell was that?

47:53

Yeah it's kind of a cash 22. I often wonder

47:56

sometimes if it's

48:00

almost worse not seeing

48:02

what's vocalizing at you.

48:05

You're right, Mike. When these things vocalize,

48:08

you will feel it for sure. In

48:10

your email, you talked about

48:12

how you don't hunt that property anymore

48:16

and it kind of leads up to this

48:18

last incident. Tell me about

48:20

that. It

48:22

was a couple years later. It was

48:25

like the last day of

48:27

the season.

48:30

It was getting kind of late and maybe

48:33

I could see

48:35

a nice little buck come up. I'm afraid of

48:37

heights, so I ground up. A

48:40

nice little buck stood up probably

48:42

about 15 feet from me. I

48:46

had a tag and it wasn't as nice a

48:49

deer shot, but I did. I shot

48:52

it and you'll

48:54

wait for a while to make sure you don't

48:57

walk up to them when they're wounded.

48:59

You don't want to get kicked or you

49:01

don't want to end up chasing them across the country either.

49:04

I sat there for about 15 minutes and

49:08

I started to go up to it. I'll

49:12

let you know too, this whole time before

49:15

any of this happened, I'm mostly deaf.

49:18

Like I told you earlier, I've got hearing aids.

49:21

The big roar that happened when I was deaf,

49:25

I just shot my gun,

49:27

so my ears are a little ringing.

49:29

I'm partially deaf and

49:32

I started walking up to this deer and

49:34

I got, I don't know, about 10

49:37

feet from it and I heard this

49:40

gut wrenching growl. It's

49:42

like, holy crap, man, there's

49:44

something, because it wouldn't die by

49:47

this great big sick, you know, and

49:50

something growl. Am

49:53

I hearing that? Am I

49:55

hearing that? So I

49:58

walked up a little bit closer and... growled

50:00

again and My

50:02

god, is this a coyote? Is this you know,

50:05

what is this? So I I call my

50:07

dad up, you know, and and

50:10

I'm infamous my brother my brother and I are infamous

50:12

for having weak stomachs First

50:14

time you get that sense, you know, you get a little queasy And

50:17

so I call my dad up and said dad you

50:19

guys got to come out here. I said there's something out here This

50:22

thing is not like when you get closer to

50:24

the deer and he laughed it off.

50:26

He's like, you know We

50:29

have come out there and got that deer for you.

50:32

Yeah, yeah, I'm like, oh no dad. I'm serious

50:34

you need to come out here and so

50:37

he Slide back off of the deer. I kept

50:39

the tight end my sight cuz You

50:41

know something was gonna come out and get it. I wanted

50:43

to see what it was So I'm sitting

50:45

out there and it seemed like forever and it wasn't that long

50:48

but then so my dad and brother

50:51

they come up and We

50:54

started to approach the deer and it did it again And

50:58

you know, I I'm sitting there

51:00

with the shotgun. I just shot the

51:03

thing like 15

51:03

minutes earlier So I mean that whatever it

51:05

was new

51:07

Well, I shouldn't say that they didn't know

51:09

but so I'm armed and

51:11

we've got three people and this

51:14

thing is It's still aggressive

51:16

and it's you know growled at us and it's

51:19

making a lot of noise in their fact, you know My

51:21

dad's like let's not screw around. Let's go get the damn thing.

51:24

You get the hell out of here, you know, sweet I

51:27

can't remember which one was sat with the gun and Two

51:31

of us ran over and grabbed it threw

51:33

it on the four-wheeler and we got the hell out of there, but

51:36

it was Yeah,

51:39

it was it was I was aggressive and For

51:42

me to hear it without hearing aids and it had

51:45

to have been Pretty

51:47

loud, you know And

51:49

I am my brother and dad both to

51:52

both earn it in the Bronx

51:55

We never I never saw it but

51:57

to that point,

51:59

you know, it's

51:59

I don't like going out back after

52:02

dark.

52:03

And I got friends that want to come out

52:05

and coyote hunt and stuff like that. I

52:08

kind of tell them, you know, you can't

52:10

come out and hunt out here at night.

52:12

But you know, outside of our family

52:14

and one of the person who I consider family. This

52:18

really hasn't been talked about between, you

52:20

know, I haven't told my

52:22

youngest sister, I haven't told my younger

52:24

brother, just my second

52:26

brother and my dad. And

52:29

you know, now my mom probably knows

52:32

and I'm sure I told my wife,

52:34

but

52:36

yeah,

52:37

no, I don't like it.

52:39

It's like the

52:42

story here a thousand times on your

52:44

show. One

52:46

thing is one thing. Two

52:49

things is two things. Third

52:51

time it happens, it's not a

52:54

coincidence anymore. You know, it's,

52:56

you know,

52:58

the three things I can write off as a bear.

53:01

The roar, I don't know what the hell that was. And

53:04

then this last thing, it all kind

53:06

of makes me think that what we saw was, you

53:09

know, something running on all fours.

53:12

And you know, I'm going to guess it

53:15

was the 800 pounds and I bet it was slipping

53:17

at 40 miles an hour. Because

53:19

it covered a lot of ground real fast. The

53:22

three of them did.

53:25

Yeah, I'd be very curious to investigate

53:28

it. Have you walked around that

53:30

property?

53:32

You know what,

53:36

I really haven't been out back a whole

53:38

lot since this happened.

53:41

Yeah, I can understand that.

53:43

I would just keep your eyes and your ears

53:46

open. I mean, they might have just been passing

53:48

through if it was one of these

53:50

things or it would sound like it was more than one. But

53:54

I'm with you too on coincidences, man.

53:56

When, you

53:57

know, one weird thing happens, you can pass

53:59

it off.

53:59

when it's another thing

54:02

and another thing, it makes

54:04

you kind of stop and really

54:06

question things. I would just

54:08

keep your eyes and ears open, man, and

54:11

feel free to hit me up if something

54:13

does happen. Not

54:16

that I'm Superman, but I'd be

54:18

happy to chat and give you any advice that

54:20

I can give you. Let

54:23

me ask you, Mike, you grew up next to

54:25

the Minnesota Iceman, and

54:28

then you've had these weird experiences on this

54:30

property. I ask everyone on the show,

54:32

what do you think Sasquatch is, and

54:35

what are your thoughts?

54:37

Oh, it's gotta be

54:39

an animal. It's,

54:42

I believe it's an animal. It's

54:45

ancient. Whatever it is, it's

54:47

ancient. It's an old bloodline.

54:50

It's not something that's 10,000 years old.

54:52

It's

54:55

either human primate that's

54:57

mid-level or lower mid-level

54:59

on that, or it's

55:03

higher up on the non-human, you know what I mean?

55:06

Yeah, like it's somewhere on our family

55:08

tree. Yeah.

55:12

Yeah, you could be right. I would

55:14

be careful on that property. Let

55:16

me know if anything happens, and

55:20

I really enjoyed chatting with you,

55:22

Mike. I really enjoyed chatting with

55:25

your lovely parents, Carl and

55:27

Pam. How cool was it?

55:29

You know, you guys are living right next door to

55:32

Frank Hansen and this

55:34

Minnesota Iceman, and I

55:36

really enjoyed our conversation. I wanna thank

55:38

you guys so much for taking the time to come on.

55:42

Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much

55:44

for letting us talk to you about it, Wes.

55:47

I was gonna, you know, it's a story that, once

55:50

my parents are gone, nobody's

55:53

gonna know. Yeah,

55:55

well, I'm glad we got a chance to

55:57

get it out there publicly.

55:59

Thank you guys again.

56:01

And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've

56:03

had an encounter,

56:04

shoot me an email. My email address

56:07

is Wes at SasquatchChronicles.com.

56:10

And if you get a chance, check out SasquatchChronicles.com.

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