0:03

It looked like somebody was bent

0:06

over and had their head in the

0:08

window of the deer blind and it

0:11

either heard me or smelled me and

0:13

he pulled his head out of the tent

0:14

and stood straight up and that

0:18

shocked me.

0:22

They don't make

0:25

people that big.

0:31

The way it moved, almost

0:35

as if it was gliding across the beach. I've

0:38

never seen anything move like that in my life.

0:41

They

0:45

were screaming at each other in gibberish.

0:49

It sounded like a language and they

0:51

were chuntering away back and forwards, back and

0:53

forwards, I

0:57

know what a bear looks like and there is no way

0:59

on this planet that what I saw were bears.

1:23

This is Watsi from Orange

1:25

County, California.

1:32

When

1:35

I'm not being paced out of the Cleveland National

1:38

Forest, I'm listening to Wes Germer

1:40

in Sasquatch Chronicles.

2:10

Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for

2:12

being here tonight. Got a great show planned

2:14

for you. I hope wherever you're

2:16

listening, you're staying nice and cool.

2:18

God, it's warm out there. It's

2:21

really warm outside. Tonight

2:23

we'll be chatting with Susan and Susan

2:25

comes to us from Wisconsin.

2:28

Back in 1962, she

2:31

was 12 years old and she was

2:33

out with her cousin Mike on a family

2:35

property and had a very, very

2:37

close run in with one of these creatures.

2:40

I'll kind of let Susan go into

2:42

it. If you've had an encounter and

2:44

you'd like to be on the show, shoot me

2:46

an email. My email address is

2:48

Wes at sasquatchchronicles.com.

2:52

And if you get a chance to check out sasquatchchronicles.com,

2:56

you can become a member and get additional

2:58

shows. Let's jump into it

3:00

tonight. I want to welcome Susan

3:03

to the show. Susan, thanks for

3:05

coming on. Thanks,

3:07

Wes. I'm just really tickled to

3:09

be speaking with you. I'm

3:11

happy to chat with you as well. Thank you again.

3:14

And if you would, Susan,

3:16

take me back to 1962 out there in Wisconsin.

3:18

What were you doing and what

3:20

happened?

3:25

Okay. I'm

3:28

pretty sure it was 1962 and

3:30

I was about 12 years old at the time. I

3:32

grew up in West Dallas, which is a city

3:37

part of the Milwaukee area.

3:40

And I had a big family on my mother's side.

3:42

We all lived in that area. It was kind of the

3:44

times when people would drop in after church,

3:46

that kind of a thing. You always were with your cousins because

3:49

there were my mom had there are four

3:51

in her family and then everybody always had like five

3:53

or six kids and then even extended family,

3:55

like second cousins.

3:57

And way back in about the forties, my grandfather.

4:00

and grandma had purchased

4:02

property on Lake Batonga. It

4:04

was a big deal going up there. And my grandfather

4:06

had purchased a resort up there.

4:09

And so everybody was up there helping

4:11

with the cabins. And then us kids would, we

4:13

kids would just be running wild when the parents

4:16

would be painting and or helping out in the

4:18

tavern, whatever what was going on, we were supposed to

4:20

kind of go our separate way. So the older

4:22

kids, I always took care of the younger kids. And

4:24

this was kind of my heaven. And any chance

4:27

that I could get to go up there,

4:29

I'd be tickled because my dad only

4:31

had vacation like in August, the first

4:33

part of August. So if you had cousins

4:35

that were going up there, if you were lucky, you could get

4:37

chance to ride up there and stay with them until

4:40

like my parents would come. And then I'd come back with my

4:42

parents. So I kind of wanted to mention

4:44

all that because we were trusted with a lot.

4:47

And this is a big part of why I

4:49

kept the story quiet for so long

4:52

because back then, there was nothing

4:54

out there about Bigfoot. There may be rumblings

4:57

in California, but I knew nothing about any

4:59

of this stuff.

5:01

And I had two

5:03

cousins that was living with my grandma and grandpa,

5:06

their dad was divorced. And so he wanted them to

5:08

be in school on a regular basis. So I loved

5:11

being with them. And then when my grandfather

5:13

died, my grandma

5:14

sold the resort and kept

5:17

part of the property, like one cabin for income.

5:20

She gave a cabin to my uncle, my aunt

5:22

had property that she built right next to her.

5:25

And then even her brother and sister had

5:27

a house. So like I said, there was always

5:29

people coming and going up there at some point.

5:32

And this was when I know

5:34

I was 12 because it was about the time when

5:36

my uncle remarried and the kids

5:38

were gonna move and go to school in a different

5:41

city. And they were all excited because it was gonna

5:43

be in a bigger city.

5:44

So Mike was up there to stay with grandma and

5:47

grandma was always crippled.

5:48

So everybody was kind of looking in for

5:51

her. Like she couldn't go shopping for groceries or anything

5:53

like that. And so

5:55

family would always bring her food or buy

5:58

shop for her.

5:59

It would be a big excursion to go to a

6:02

bigger town nearby. They would take

6:04

her shopping because there was just

6:06

a very small store at the time

6:08

in the downtown area, like a mom-pa store.

6:11

There was no big grocery stores. So

6:13

my mom had asked me if I'd like

6:15

to go up there to stay with Grandma. They always liked

6:18

people with her at the time. This was before

6:20

she was forced to give up the house and live

6:22

down in the West Dallas area. And

6:25

that Mike was gonna be up there. He was going back

6:27

to stay with Grandma for a while. So I was real

6:29

excited. And my mom set me up on a Greyhound

6:32

bus. But

6:34

I went up there. So I was without my parents,

6:36

probably for like one of the first times where

6:38

I just went

6:39

like that. And I was all alone up there

6:41

with her and Mike. And we had so much

6:43

fun in the woods, on the

6:45

lake. He knew all the kids from

6:48

school. We go horseback riding. We were always

6:50

doing whatever we wanted. There was a dam

6:52

area, not far from the house,

6:54

which was great. Back then people

6:57

camped

6:58

in tents. They didn't have like all

7:00

the hookups with everything. And

7:02

we used to like to go down there and catch minnows and

7:05

all kinds of stuff. So it was a fun, fun place. Well,

7:08

my uncle had come over. This was my great

7:11

uncle.

7:12

He came to check on his sister

7:14

and he knew she was having her grandchildren

7:16

there. He went and picked wild raspberries

7:18

and he brought them. So this must've been about in

7:20

July. And I think the plan was

7:22

I was gonna stay there until my mom and dad

7:25

came

7:25

up in August with the rest of the family. I

7:28

could extend my stay. So he

7:30

came over with these raspberries to treat

7:32

us. He knew grandma had kids there. And we

7:35

were very excited because

7:37

you didn't get a lot of fresh fruit back then.

7:40

It was what whatever was available for the season.

7:43

So this was supposed to be for our breakfast and

7:45

we were thrilled that he thought of us. I was

7:47

kind of scared of the guy. He was kind of a gruff guy, you

7:50

know, at the time. I didn't understand it as humor. So

7:54

we had gobbled down the raspberries and had nothing

7:57

till the next morning.

7:59

So I was getting.

7:59

kind of late in the day, I think it was about 330. And Mike

8:02

said, well, let's go

8:04

get some raspberries. Our uncle had told them

8:06

that told us that it was near the railroad

8:08

tracks.

8:10

Well, for us to go in, we

8:12

would have been smart to walk up about a half a mile

8:14

or a mile to go in. But we just thought

8:16

from the lake, we would just cross the road and

8:18

go straight across from our grandmother's house

8:21

and go into the woods and we should hit the railroad tracks

8:23

or at least near it. So

8:25

we go in. And

8:26

the North woods there in Wisconsin

8:29

is pretty thick.

8:31

And I can remember getting all scratched up. And

8:34

our uncle had told us that if we did go

8:36

watch out for bears, especially if there'd be

8:38

any sows with cubs because they also like

8:40

the berries, he said, so make a lot of noise.

8:43

So we go in and we're making all this

8:46

noise and we're laughing and screaming and stuff.

8:48

And I can remember we were in this really low

8:50

meat, like low area and it was wet.

8:52

And I got a soaker and I'm going Mike,

8:55

this is so stupid. He goes, well, you're wet

8:57

now. Let's just keep going. Because I can remember

8:59

I probably had one pair of shoes with me and

9:02

a pair of flip flops. I probably had new pair of shoes.

9:04

They're like kids. And I remember them getting

9:06

all wet and dirty. I went down

9:08

my shoes, my shoes, you know, and we were laughing.

9:11

And all of a sudden,

9:13

I saw this figure like a man

9:16

size figure jumped and there was

9:18

like fallen trees, like

9:20

old trees that had fallen down and

9:22

he jumped over by these trees and went behind

9:24

these trees. And my heart kind

9:27

of went up into my throat and I went, oh,

9:29

Mike, there's somebody over there. He goes, what

9:31

is I think there's a man over there. He goes, oh,

9:33

come on. It's the imagination.

9:35

We weren't that far in, you know, and already

9:38

he says, why would somebody be following us? This is terrible

9:40

in here. Nobody be in here. Come on,

9:42

let's keep going. And then

9:44

we're trying to make it over all this crummy

9:47

stuff that's all fallen and everything. And then all of a sudden

9:49

said, Oh, I see him again. I saw like

9:51

a head pop behind like peeking

9:54

at us from behind this big log, this

9:56

big tree that was laying down. I said,

9:58

no, there's somebody

9:59

over there who would be so creepy

10:02

to follow us like that he goes that's

10:04

your imagination you

10:05

just you just seeing things let's keep going

10:08

so we kept trudging through and

10:10

all of a sudden we came out at a clearing

10:12

and I think I think this

10:14

is where what they refer to as clear cutting

10:16

where they're a cutting it

10:18

was like pine if I remember the

10:21

I remember the bark because there was tree

10:23

stacked all stacked in big

10:26

piles so it was

10:28

like a big clear area and

10:30

there are all these raspberry bushes and

10:32

in the wild those raspberry bushes get big

10:35

and we had brought with us buckets from his dad's

10:38

cottage he his dad had a cottage and

10:40

I want to mention these buckets because they were kind of important

10:43

in the story we grabbed

10:45

a great big aluminum

10:49

like something you would boil fish

10:51

or corn cobs in but it was very lightweight

10:53

it had two handles on each side it was one of those

10:55

real thin metal ones aluminum

10:58

I think it was and then there was another

11:01

one that was lightweight with a handle but it was

11:03

large something you could boil potatoes in we

11:06

had those two buckets with us and we were filling

11:08

them to the top and we were probably eating

11:11

as many berries as we were putting

11:13

in the buckets

11:14

because they were just plentiful they

11:16

were ripe it was beautiful

11:18

when we thought we had enough we thought well we better get back

11:21

because I remember when we left

11:23

my grandmother had said to us she

11:26

said you guys just better it was kind

11:28

of late and I even was concerned about that

11:30

that was getting late in the day and I thought mosquitoes

11:32

are gonna be so bad and they were and my

11:35

grandma said make sure you guys come back because I'm cooking

11:37

tonight I'm having chicken and

11:39

when you live lake life

11:41

you don't eat all the time I don't know if

11:43

you've ever experienced that but it's just such a laid-back

11:46

atmosphere you eat when you're hungry you're

11:48

just like on Lake time you just never

11:50

worry much about time and

11:52

most likely I didn't have a

11:54

watch with me we didn't we didn't have that kind

11:56

of stuff back then but we just kind

11:58

of knew the way the Sun was going down and that it was getting

12:01

late. I said, well, we got to get back. You know, grandma

12:03

said she was making dinner for us tonight. So

12:06

we started back. We had this big buckets

12:08

full of raspberry. We were real proud of ourselves. And

12:11

we're trudging through all this thick stuff.

12:14

And we got turned around and we got lost. And

12:16

we ended up back at the clearing. We just kind

12:19

of made like a semicircle or something. Whatever

12:21

was probably the easiest route is what brought

12:23

us back. And here we are

12:25

right back. This place, this is the

12:28

same place I could recognize all the logs.

12:30

We never did get to the train tracks

12:32

because I think the train tracks were kind of like weary.

12:35

And I remember Mike said, should we look for the tracks

12:37

and then follow them?

12:39

And that scared me even more. I says, no,

12:41

no, no, that's so dangerous. And I can even remember my

12:43

uncle also said, watch out for hobos because

12:46

they called them hobos back there. Back then,

12:48

there were a lot of transient men

12:50

around that would

12:51

come maybe like for jobs and stuff.

12:53

And he warned us about that. And I says, no. And

12:56

then also I always have this fear of a

12:58

train coming. And I thought, no, that would be worse. And

13:00

then we get lost and we don't even know

13:02

which direction these tracks go if

13:04

we go the wrong way.

13:06

So we were arguing

13:08

about how to get out of there. And

13:10

by this time, I was so hot and tired, I

13:13

was so bit up. The mosquitoes were just buzzing

13:15

in our ears. We're slapping ourselves all over

13:17

the place. By this time, I think whatever we had

13:19

sprayed ourselves, we've had worn off.

13:22

And we were fighting. We were

13:24

arguing how to get out. And I said, Mike, we've

13:27

got to go this way. I was, no,

13:29

no, no, no, no, that's the wrong way. I know it's

13:31

the wrong way. And

13:33

at that time of day, it was probably getting

13:35

to be like 5.30 or so by the time

13:37

we were 5.30, maybe even 6 by the

13:39

time we were trucking through the woods, got lost,

13:41

picked all the berries. It was starting

13:43

to get late. And I can remember

13:46

hearing that peaceful quiet on

13:48

the lake. And you can hear the boat motors

13:50

going out, where the guys are going out for the evening

13:53

fishing. You can hear that distinct sound.

13:56

I says, Mike, we've got to go this way. I know we've

13:58

got to go this way. He goes, no, you're wrong.

13:59

wrong. He says, that's an echo. And

14:02

then he always says this thing to me, he was very

14:04

smart. And I respected him because he was about two

14:06

or three years older than me. And he

14:08

knew the up north, he lived that his whole

14:11

like for 10 years, he lived up there.

14:13

He says, according to my calculations,

14:16

he says, we have to go this

14:18

way.

14:19

I says, No, I'm not going that way. And I

14:21

was really mad. And I folded my arms.

14:23

And I remember leaning against the stack of

14:25

logs and says, I'm not moving.

14:28

So

14:28

you come to your senses, I'm not going that way.

14:30

It's going to be too long. I can't stand

14:32

these mosquitoes anymore. No, I'm not going that

14:34

way. So I was just fuming.

14:37

I spit mad, you know, spit nickels. And he

14:39

took off and he found like a path

14:41

of least resistance. He said, I'm going to see where

14:43

this leads and he took off. And

14:45

I'm standing there with my arms folded. All

14:48

of a sudden, all these bushes

14:50

start moving and there was like the snapping

14:53

and cracking. And I

14:55

heard all this muffling in this like, you

14:57

know, like, I thought, Oh my God, and

15:00

I see this figure like this dark figure

15:02

and like, just all this noise

15:04

and it sounded to me like something

15:06

was ripping up tree bark or tree roots or

15:08

like a bear was

15:09

foraging or something it just and

15:12

my heart went into my throat and I thought, Oh my God,

15:15

it must be a bear. It's gotta

15:17

be a bear. And I thought, I

15:19

couldn't find my voice all what I was told

15:21

to yell and scream and make noise. I couldn't make

15:24

noise. All I could think of was be real quiet.

15:26

Maybe it'll just pass me up. I couldn't

15:28

make a noise. And I just froze.

15:31

You know, I was really scared.

15:34

So all of a sudden, something

15:36

start running behind those

15:38

bushes. And at this

15:41

point, the sand and

15:43

the gravel, it's kind of like sandy

15:45

and gravelly there was dry. I hear

15:47

this crunch, crunch, crunch. Mike

15:50

and I start yelling, if that's you, you know, how

15:52

can you just picture my little bratty self at 12 years

15:54

old? I'm screaming at him like, Mike,

15:57

that's not funny. If you're trying to scare me, that's

15:59

not funny.

15:59

Mike, you know, I was like, you're crunch, crunch, crunch,

16:02

and I can kind of see like the

16:03

backside of something. And I

16:05

don't know what who, you know, nothing

16:07

is he trying to scare me, because I thought he

16:09

went around the circle and was

16:12

making like moving the bushes or something

16:13

then came running to scare me. And

16:16

I'm yelling at him because you know, I just had that incident

16:18

earlier. I said somebody's watching us. No, and

16:20

he said I was being stupid. You

16:23

know, it's your imagination.

16:25

And I'm screaming at him. Mike, Mike, knock it off, Mike. You

16:27

know, I'm all mad at him.

16:30

And all of a sudden this creature leaps

16:33

like a like a chimp. Like I

16:35

still can remember his arm was out. He

16:37

looked at me and back in those days we

16:39

had those little flash cameras.

16:42

His face was like a person who was caught

16:45

with a flash camera because his face, his

16:47

expression, his eyes were worldwide

16:49

and his mouth was like partially open. And

16:51

he leaped across to the next

16:53

group of bushes that were

16:56

in front of me. I think I was up a little higher

16:58

because I was leaning against

17:00

those logs and he stood up

17:03

and then oh my God, you know, I'm looking

17:06

at this guy. He was

17:08

not more than 10 feet away from me.

17:12

Maybe even closer. He was so close because I was

17:14

afraid to grab him. That's how close he

17:16

was. He was so

17:18

confusing because I'm thinking,

17:23

wouldn't a regular guy say something

17:26

to me? And there he was standing. I

17:29

think he might have been partially covered

17:32

by the bushes,

17:33

but I saw like at least I know for sure

17:35

the chest up

17:37

and he was hairy all over.

17:39

But I remember being embarrassed because I was so

17:41

modest and so young. He

17:44

was shirtless and had any clothes on.

17:46

It's like this guy is standing here and he's all

17:48

hairy. And he had these

17:51

big, big arms.

17:53

He was lean and kind

17:55

of skinny and he was tall like a basketball

17:58

player. He had like really

18:01

big muscles on his shoulders

18:03

and he had big forearms

18:06

and he was hairy but I could see his

18:08

skin kind of through parts on

18:11

him on it on his chest and like his

18:13

arms and like his clavicle

18:16

area I could see skin

18:18

so I didn't know I'm looking at

18:20

it's like to me my young mind saw

18:22

a man a weird a different man

18:25

because I could see skin he wasn't

18:27

his hair wasn't like a dog or anything

18:29

or like

18:31

a bear it was

18:33

more like see-through it he reminded

18:35

me of like when you

18:37

were a kid and you go to the beach and see

18:39

some old big old fat guy in a speedo

18:41

and he needed to shave his back that's

18:45

kind of the image I had it's like I'm

18:47

thinking I'm looking at a guy you know

18:50

because he looked

18:52

so human like that way but he was very

18:54

muscular but his face did

18:56

not match

18:58

his body build his body

19:00

build was young and muscular

19:02

but his face looked more like an old

19:05

man and he was so ugly

19:07

he was that he was so ugly

19:10

he

19:11

had a nose like

19:11

a man it had like

19:15

an end on it and

19:18

he I remember the nose

19:20

because his skin was dark

19:23

like leathery like a brownish I don't

19:25

I have to describe his coloring

19:27

because I

19:28

could see veins but it wasn't like

19:30

it wasn't like that's

19:33

how close we were it wasn't red

19:36

veins but it was like raised skin

19:39

on his nose that's why I remember his nose so

19:41

well I sent you that picture that had

19:43

like a facial structure that was similar to what

19:45

I saw but not exactly

19:48

the one that I sent you

19:48

he was actually kind of more handsome but

19:51

I sent it because the skin was modeled

19:53

and that's what I saw because

19:55

that the skin wasn't all like

19:57

one color so I couldn't tell if

19:59

he was dirty or sooty or

20:02

if he was, that was his skin tone.

20:07

And he had like a regular nose

20:09

that flared out. He had

20:11

very, very deep set eyes and

20:14

he had a very big brow ridge.

20:16

And that's what really confused me because that

20:18

was very much like a gorilla.

20:21

But he had very sunken cheeks,

20:24

like his cheeks went down very

20:27

sunken and then his mouth was

20:29

very kind of chimp-like.

20:32

But when you see the pictures,

20:34

it makes it look hard, almost

20:37

like a mask, but

20:39

his mouth was very malleable

20:42

because what he did was he made

20:44

this expression with his mouth where

20:48

he mushed up his mouth like it

20:50

reminded me of a man who didn't have dentures

20:53

in his mouth.

20:55

So I don't know if he was, as an adult, thinking

20:57

back, was he smelling it? He didn't expose

20:59

his lips, but he like brought his lips

21:02

up.

21:03

His mouth got mushy, crunched then, you

21:05

know, like, hi. Do you know what I'm saying?

21:08

Like a man who took his dentures

21:10

out. That's what his mouth looked like to me.

21:13

He had whiskers on his cheeks, but they

21:15

went every which way like a guy who hasn't

21:18

shaven for a while, but he doesn't grow a good beard.

21:20

You know, you see like a guy where I go one direction,

21:23

the other

21:23

direction. The hair on his cheeks

21:25

was very disheveled, like going all

21:27

different directions in the same way on

21:29

his chin, like a guy who needed to shave

21:32

because he didn't grow a good beard. If

21:34

I remember right, the sun was starting to set.

21:37

I bet we were getting close

21:38

to seven o'clock by the time I saw this guy

21:40

because the sun was starting to go down, but it

21:42

was still like real bright on us. You know how

21:44

the rays come through when we were in a

21:46

clearing. So all around him, his hair

21:49

kind of looked like a halo. It was kind of reddish on the

21:51

ends because I could see his hair and

21:53

the hair on his back stood up like that kind

21:55

of,

21:56

you know, and I could see the reddish on the ends, but he

21:58

was basically brown.

21:59

But I couldn't figure

22:02

out if he was dirty or if that

22:04

was his coloring because he

22:06

had like model coloring. And

22:09

the reason I remember that is because I was standing

22:11

there, I had the buckets

22:13

of berries on the ground by

22:15

my feet. They were heavy, you know,

22:18

we had carried them, we got lost.

22:21

And they were on the ground. And

22:23

so he like brought his hands

22:25

up in front of him and

22:28

I saw his hands because they were like cupped

22:30

in front of him.

22:31

And what scared me was he like

22:33

took like a step forward or he leaned

22:35

forward and it reminded me of

22:37

like a guy like trying to entice you

22:39

with something in their hands to show you like I'm here

22:42

honey, you know.

22:43

And that's what really scared me. And that's when I saw

22:45

his hands because

22:47

I could see his fingernails and that but it almost

22:49

looked like a person who was sooty or dirty.

22:52

So I don't know if that was his natural

22:54

coloring because his hands were flash,

22:57

you know, like a dark brown but

22:59

then there was that dark

23:01

coloring all around the nails and

23:03

you know, just like he had kind of like

23:05

around his face kind of

23:07

like a modeling or else dirt. I don't

23:09

know what it was. But he had these

23:12

really big hands and like I said his arms were

23:14

very big. But he was sinewy. He was,

23:16

that's how I describe it. He's thin, kind

23:19

of like thin but very muscular like

23:21

a young basketball player how they have the

23:23

great arms. But then the face was

23:26

very old looking. And what

23:28

was scary was that he had such deep set

23:30

eyes and they

23:30

were so piercing. And

23:33

I remember like with the sun in that they were very

23:36

glistening. I could see like you know how like somebody has like

23:38

like an animal or whatever or a person has like

23:41

liquidy eyes, you know, like

23:44

glow me eyes or whatever you want to describe

23:46

it. I remember seeing the

23:49

liquid around his eyes. He just

23:52

was so intense and that's what scared me.

23:54

He looked at me so intently and he kind

23:56

of like turned his body and looked at me again

23:58

and that's when he had his hands.

23:59

out in front. I have no idea what

24:02

his gesture meant.

24:04

I remember putting my hands out like a stop

24:07

and I'm going, no, no, no, no, no, no.

24:09

I remember saying, I don't want anything or something

24:11

to that effect. No. And I remember turning my

24:13

heads because I thought if he's going to come and grab me,

24:16

I'm closing my eyes. I can't look at

24:18

him or I turned my head and I thought,

24:20

okay, start calling for Mike.

24:22

Call for a man.

24:24

So I started screaming, Mike, Mike.

24:26

And I was just like blood curdling, screaming

24:28

Mike. And I had my hand out and this guy still

24:30

standing there. I started screaming

24:32

for Mike

24:33

and I looked over my

24:36

shoulder in the direction where Mike went. He came

24:38

out. I remember his head came

24:41

out from underneath the leaves and he looked

24:43

up and I like brushed the

24:45

branch away from his face and looked up. I remember

24:47

the shock look in his face.

24:49

His mouth was open

24:51

and I looked back at the creature, the

24:53

guy standing there and

24:55

he turned and he was looking at Mike.

24:57

He turned back and looked at me

25:00

and then he turned

25:02

around and that's when I saw the back of him. His head

25:04

was all, his hair was all shaggy, like

25:07

a reddish brown. It was all shaggy all the way

25:09

down his neck and down his back.

25:12

And he was gone in a flash. I don't remember

25:14

if he ran away

25:15

or if he dipped down and

25:18

took off that way, but he was gone

25:20

so fast. And I

25:22

remember looking at Mike and just

25:25

the fact that this was real and

25:27

Mike did not circle around to scare

25:29

me and this is some really weird dude.

25:32

And there's Mike behind

25:34

me. I started flapping

25:36

my arms and hysterically crying.

25:39

That was my way of releasing. I just,

25:42

I'd never done that in my life. I was just like

25:44

flapping my arms like I was like a two year

25:46

old and I got hysterical. And

25:48

here's Mike thinking, oh my God, this

25:51

girl's going to die a faint on me. And

25:54

I remember we were very, very close, very

25:56

good friends and did so much together, but

25:58

we never like show

25:59

up. each other affection,

26:01

physically or anything like that. We were kids,

26:04

we were pals. He

26:05

knew how serious this was.

26:08

He came up to me and he grabbed

26:10

me. He was very tall. Mike was about six foot.

26:13

He was tall and thin at that time. And he grabbed

26:15

me. I remember he was tall enough there. He grabbed me

26:17

and he put my head in

26:20

his chest and he held me really tight

26:23

to calm me down because I was flapping my

26:25

arms like an idiot,

26:26

just shaking my hands and stuff, jumping up and

26:28

down. And he held me real tight and he goes, I

26:31

have a way we can get out of here. We got to try

26:33

it. He says, I think I have a better way. And we

26:36

grabbed the buckets and he took me by the wrist

26:38

and he dragged me and I just

26:40

at that point I gave up all my stubbornness and

26:42

I said, just go with him. Just go with him. And I went.

26:45

We grabbed the buckets. We start running and I said,

26:47

Mike, these are so heavy I could care less. We took

26:50

the buckets

26:51

and we dumped out all the berries. And by that

26:53

time they were just all mush.

26:55

I didn't know as a kid, you don't put

26:58

berries in a big bucket. People

27:00

put them in flat

27:02

on flat like box tops

27:05

and stuff because they get all mushy.

27:07

So I remember dumping the berries

27:09

out. He's like, are you sure after all this? And he goes, I

27:11

says, just get rid of the berries and ran.

27:13

And the path

27:15

that he found, it

27:17

was like rutted, like double rutted. So

27:19

that might have been a way that the guys came

27:22

in by the logs.

27:23

They might have come in with trucks

27:25

or jeeps or whatever. And

27:27

we start running on that. And then as we kept

27:29

going, it was real narrow, but it

27:31

was definitely somebody drove on it. And

27:34

then even some parts they had put down some

27:36

stone, you know, maybe if there was ruts or whatever.

27:39

So we start banging our pots together.

27:41

That's why I mentioned these pots. We were

27:43

banging the pots together because I'm still scared and I'm

27:45

thinking, I'm going to scare something away. I'm going to make a

27:48

lot of noise. And by this time,

27:51

it was getting dark. I could hardly see

27:53

anything. And I thought, oh, God, we can't be in the

27:55

woods in the dark. I just just the mosquitoes alone

27:57

won't kill me. And I was.

27:59

this thing would come back, this guy would

28:02

come back.

28:03

And so we were running on this path as

28:05

far as we could. We kept going, kept going,

28:07

and I had no idea which direction we

28:09

were going, but we just knew it could be a better way out.

28:13

And it scared me so

28:15

much because the woods starts getting really, really scary

28:17

at night when it's getting dark, you know?

28:20

And we had no flashlight or anything like that. And here

28:22

we are in shorts and stuff. So

28:25

I don't know how long we ran.

28:27

I remember having such a side ache. And

28:30

we came out, I was just still hysterical.

28:32

We came out where we could see where the

28:35

trucks came in over

28:37

like grassy fields or hay or

28:39

whatever. It was all beat down from

28:41

the trucks going in and out. So

28:43

we followed that. And back

28:45

at this time, they were just starting to asphalt

28:47

all the roads again. Because

28:49

prior to me being 10 years old,

28:52

I remember the

28:53

lake view drive around my grandma's lake was

28:55

still all stone.

28:57

And it was just like a one lane highway all the way

28:59

around. And they had recently paved

29:01

that. And we came out where they had a road all

29:04

prepared for asphalt was all pulverized

29:06

or it had all stone and rocks. And we kept

29:09

hitting the pans on

29:12

the rock, making noise. Something, there's wolves,

29:14

there's bears, there's bobcat. I'm

29:16

just so scared. And by this

29:19

time,

29:20

we had light from the

29:21

stars and the moon.

29:24

We could kind of see and we got acclimated. And

29:27

it was dark now. So it must have been somewhere

29:29

like 830 quarter to nine by this

29:31

time. And we still didn't know what

29:33

road we were on. And then all of a sudden, it came

29:36

to a fork. It turned. And Mike goes,

29:38

I know where we are now. And there was a road that

29:40

was going to this,

29:42

the dam. And the dam

29:44

was like our play area. We knew that.

29:46

He was like, this is where the dam is. We

29:48

got to go this way. Finally, we

29:51

get down to the dam. And the dam is probably,

29:53

it's

29:54

probably a half a mile or less from

29:56

my grandma's

29:57

because we could even roll there. It was

29:59

a shorter trip. rowing to the dam and

30:01

that was where we would catch minnows, we'd

30:03

meet kids who were intense, all that kind

30:05

of stuff. It was our play area. So we

30:07

knew we were on the way home.

30:09

So we followed that and we come to the house

30:12

finally. It was like about nine o'clock when

30:14

we came in. My grandmother

30:16

was just furious. She says, I made supper for you

30:18

guys and I put it away. She wouldn't feed us. She's

30:20

kind of a tough lady, you know? Okay,

30:22

that's fair. But I could have cared less. I

30:25

had such an upset stomach and

30:27

there was a garage that was attached to the house.

30:29

She didn't have a car but they had like old

30:32

couches and sofas in there and she had like old secretaries

30:34

and

30:34

there was a big round oak table. Things

30:36

that used to be in the cabins and

30:39

she thought, well somebody else somebody used this. She

30:41

didn't get rid of it. So that's where we would play. We'd

30:43

play cards and Monopoly and all that. And I remember we

30:45

went out in the garage and

30:48

we sat there. I couldn't go to bed. Every

30:50

time I would close my eyes, I would

30:53

see this ugly face, this

30:56

staring face. He

30:59

was so ugly and so

31:01

unnatural. In my

31:03

mind, it was as far as how a guy should look.

31:07

I would estimate

31:09

he was probably my dad's size

31:11

as far as height. He was somewhere between, he

31:14

could have been maybe six and

31:16

a half feet maybe just because I was

31:18

up a little higher and I didn't maybe realize how

31:20

tall he was. But he wasn't

31:23

more than seven feet. He must have been in

31:25

that six foot range somewhere.

31:28

But like I said, he was very muscular

31:30

and that's all I would see. I couldn't

31:32

go to sleep. I couldn't close my eyes. We

31:35

sat out on that

31:36

in the garage that night and I could say,

31:38

Mike, what did I see? Mike, what did I see?

31:40

He goes, I don't know. I don't know.

31:43

I don't know what I saw. He said, because he just kind of saw him,

31:45

looked at him and saw a backside and he was gone.

31:48

But

31:48

for me, it was like an eternity because

31:50

this thing had a plan. He came toward

31:52

me, sneaked up on me like that. And

31:56

he was there looking at me and he was

31:58

like studying me. And that's what

32:00

scared me. I didn't like the way he was looking at me. And

32:04

I just couldn't sleep. He says, you got to go to bed now. I says,

32:06

no. And I remember I had nightmares for

32:08

days, just horrible. For

32:11

weeks, I had nightmares. I knew

32:13

nothing about Bigfoot. There wasn't anything out,

32:15

you know, like now I would think of a kid would see

32:17

something like this.

32:19

It would probably be easier for them to talk

32:21

about it.

32:22

And we made a pact not to tell anybody

32:25

because Mike was really, really concerned

32:27

about his dad being really mad at him.

32:30

Because Mike

32:30

knew the area. He

32:33

lived there as a kid.

32:35

We always had to follow safety rules, get off

32:37

the lake when the clouds came

32:39

in, all kinds of stuff. For safety, we

32:41

knew these things. And he was so

32:43

afraid that his dad would be so mad at him because

32:46

he was older and should have been wiser

32:48

and also experienced up there. He

32:50

was more worried about the wrath of his dad

32:54

because he should have taken care

32:56

of his little cousin. What his fear was.

32:59

Plus, we were really afraid

33:01

that we wouldn't be trusted anymore because

33:03

we were really trusted with a lot. We could take

33:05

the boats out. We could take the motor out. We'd fish

33:07

all day. We'd make a lunch. We would go down to

33:09

the dam. We went horseback riding. He

33:12

had friends that had horses. And if we

33:14

would go and pay at the end of the day, the

33:16

mom, you know, they would be like a riding

33:17

stable. If we paid at the end of the day, the

33:20

mom didn't care because then at the end of when

33:22

nobody came, then the kids, we could take the

33:24

horses out and just run them wherever we wanted. And

33:26

we just had a lot of fun up there. You

33:29

know, why the parents did their thing. And

33:32

there were fourts down by the dam that the Boy

33:34

Scouts built and we climbed these pine trees.

33:37

I'm surprised one of us didn't get killed. You

33:39

know, but so that was our path. We couldn't

33:41

tell anybody. Plus, I had

33:43

a brother, an older brother who was seven years older

33:45

than me who was a horrendous tease.

33:47

By today's standards, they

33:49

would say he bullied us because he

33:52

was such a tease. He was one of the oldest

33:54

cousins. There's boys, you

33:56

know, in the family. There was

33:58

no way I could have said that.

33:59

saw a man that looked like a gorilla. Because

34:02

that's all I kept saying to Mike when we were walking

34:04

through the woods coming out. I said, Mike,

34:06

I saw a gorilla man.

34:08

What did I see? I saw a gorilla

34:10

man. That's the only way I could explain

34:12

it. And I said, but gorillas

34:14

aren't in Wisconsin. How could there be a gorilla

34:17

man? I said, do you think there was a circus or something?

34:19

And

34:22

there was like a freak, a

34:24

freak of a circus or some, you know, like

34:27

in my mind at that age, it was a man.

34:30

But I kept saying a gorilla man because he was so

34:33

hairy. And then I remember

34:35

we didn't want to tell grandma, we didn't want to worry her

34:37

and she was mad enough that we were gone, but we did

34:39

tell her we got lost. And that was another

34:42

thing we didn't want our parents to know we got lost

34:44

because then we wouldn't be trusted. It's like you don't

34:46

get lost there. Take care of yourself. You

34:48

don't get lost. So this

34:51

was our path to keep it quiet. And how do you describe

34:53

this to anybody? So I said to grandma, I said,

34:56

grandma, was there a circus up here? Because

34:58

sometimes Brandon would have circuses

35:00

or they'd have these carneys come in and I've seen

35:02

them. I've been to them. She goes, no, we haven't had a circus

35:05

for a while. So I was

35:07

so sullen and depressed. I didn't want to go on

35:09

the lake. I didn't want to go down the dam. So

35:13

looking back, I kind of wish

35:15

we would have told some adults because

35:17

I think I suffered a lot from it that

35:20

I know

35:22

if maybe they knew of something or

35:24

I could have just to talk it out.

35:26

And I went back home and

35:29

I did come back with my parents in August,

35:31

of course, but I never went in the woods. I stayed on

35:33

the lake. I

35:35

suffered for a long time. I'd have nightmares

35:37

when I first went home. I had upstairs

35:39

bedroom and I remember just having

35:42

horrible nightmares and waking up at night because

35:44

I keep seeing this intense

35:46

stare, this face, this thing

35:49

looking at me with this intense. He

35:51

had like an old man's face, but a

35:54

young man's body. It just, it

35:56

just was the weirdest thing

35:57

and I didn't know what it was.

35:59

But in my mind, it was a

36:01

man and it was a gorilla man of some

36:03

sort. So I kind of convinced myself

36:07

that he was some kind of a freak of

36:10

nature or some kind of a rogue

36:12

man that was in the woods. I didn't know that there

36:14

were more of these, you know.

36:17

Let me ask you, Susan, you know,

36:20

when you when you spoke to Mike,

36:22

you had mentioned he came around the corner and

36:24

he looked kind of surprised. Did

36:27

he ever describe to you what he

36:29

saw that day?

36:32

He couldn't. He couldn't say. He

36:34

says, I don't know what I saw, but it was Harry.

36:36

I remember him saying that. I don't know

36:38

what I saw. He really was so shocked.

36:41

And I almost wonder if this thing took off because

36:43

if that was the road that the guys used to

36:46

come in for the logs, maybe he thought Mike went

36:48

and got reinforcements.

36:50

That's the only thing I could think of. Like all of a sudden,

36:52

you know, because Mike was just a teen.

36:54

He was a young teen, too. He was like a freshman

36:56

in high school. I remember he was real excited about starting

36:59

in his new high school.

37:01

And I don't

37:03

know. I mean, I was talking to this

37:05

thing the whole time. So I was yelling and everything.

37:07

I mean, I did everything wrong. So I don't know.

37:10

And that's what's so strange about this story, because

37:12

this thing

37:13

could have grabbed me so easily. He

37:15

could have. And that was what my fear was that he

37:18

would just take a step or

37:20

two and just grab me and take me.

37:22

You know, that's how close he was.

37:26

Yeah, you would think if he he was going

37:28

to grab you, he would have done it. What's

37:30

fascinating, though, is you're seeing expressions

37:33

from the saying like in the face.

37:36

Yes, like I said, he moved that mouth.

37:38

He moved his mouth up

37:41

and he crumpled up his his mouth

37:44

like a

37:45

like a man without dentures. Like

37:47

he curled up his mouth. His lips didn't

37:49

open like I've seen animals where they'll open their

37:52

lips. I don't remember.

37:54

I

37:54

don't know if he was smelling me or what he was

37:56

doing, but it was creepy. He was. But

37:58

the intensity of his eyes.

37:59

what was so scary and they were dark

38:02

but they were very of course very glassy,

38:05

very watery, you know like

38:07

being

38:07

in the sun you know he just

38:10

was so intense with that look and

38:12

then I convinced myself that it was

38:14

a hobo because he was so dirty. That was

38:16

one way of coping with it I think that it

38:18

was had it been a hobo and it had a

38:21

been a guy who was all sooty because

38:23

of the way

38:24

the he was either dirty

38:26

or matted or different

38:28

coloring on his skin and like I said his nails

38:30

and his hands had that look like somebody

38:33

who was digging in a coal bin.

38:35

So in my mind when I got home

38:37

to my little life in West Dallas and got back

38:39

with my friends and went to the state fair that summer

38:41

and whatever I did as a little kid and went

38:43

off to school

38:44

I convinced myself I must have seen a hobo

38:47

because I

38:48

the only

38:49

people that I knew that were those remember

38:51

those like

38:52

poor boy hats or those paper boy

38:55

hats the flat hat on the top.

38:57

Old men would wear. I

38:59

convinced myself it must have been somebody with a hat

39:01

like that on because his brow was so

39:03

big I thought was that a cap

39:06

was that but he had no clothes on so but

39:08

that was how I coped with it as a child

39:11

telling myself I must have seen a

39:13

hobo.

39:14

That was the only way I could get on with it but

39:17

I'm sure it was a some kind of wild man

39:19

or it was it was a bigfoot

39:21

because

39:23

it was so creepy how he approached me I mean

39:25

he was doing the you know

39:27

shaking the the tree snapping bushes

39:29

it sounded like a bear foraging

39:32

under roots or something it was grumbling

39:34

I was all this rolling of the

39:36

bushes there on the on the perimeter and

39:39

then how he snuck up on me.

39:43

And I know that you don't know and I don't know but

39:45

what do you think the intention was? I

39:48

think he knew we were there I think we were followed

39:50

in. I

39:53

don't know if he was curious. I

39:56

mentioned this now when I when I was a kid they had

39:58

just built the West Dallas Zoo. was like touted

40:00

as one of the best zoos. And we used to ride our bike up

40:02

there. Like I said, I went everywhere

40:04

and we would spend the day at the zoo. And they had

40:07

this one big gorilla

40:09

that was really famous at the time. His name was Samson.

40:11

And we would sit there for hours looking at Samson

40:13

because he was very entertaining and he enjoyed

40:15

looking at people. And he had a favorite

40:19

attendant who would talk to him and

40:21

ask him to do things and stuff. And

40:24

the stare that this gorilla

40:27

had was very similar to

40:29

this guy that I saw in

40:31

the woods. It had that intelligence

40:34

and the deep set and the very shiny eyes.

40:36

I can't

40:39

say it was a mean look but it's that intense

40:42

scary look.

40:44

And I almost wonder if

40:46

I kind of surprised him because I was

40:48

talking back at him. I don't know. And then

40:51

here he's looking and here's

40:53

this 95 pound skinny thing with braids.

40:55

It's like

40:57

I don't know what his intent was. I

40:59

do think

41:01

it almost looked like he was trying to entice me

41:03

with something in his hands.

41:05

Somebody else had heard this story and said, well maybe

41:07

he was asking for berries. I thought, no, I don't

41:10

think that was it. It was almost so

41:12

weird how he and then he leaned forward and thought,

41:14

oh my God, this thing's going to grab me. And that's when I put

41:16

my hand out like stop, no, no. And I

41:18

turned my head and I'm screaming for Mike. And

41:21

that's when I saw Mike come out and then I look back and

41:23

here it was

41:23

looking at Mike and he turned around. He looked

41:26

at me and he took off. But he was so

41:28

fast when he took off. And I kept saying,

41:30

Mike, do you think he's following us? And he goes, no, no, no.

41:32

He went the other way. We'll be fine. We'll be fine. He kept

41:34

saying all this positive stuff because

41:36

he knew he had to get

41:38

this hysterical girl out of the woods.

41:42

Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, he could

41:44

have wanted the berries. I've heard many accounts,

41:47

you know, like Native Americans

41:49

out picking berries, they'll have run-ins

41:52

with this creature like this kind

41:54

of approaching them, kind of doing

41:56

the same gesture. And I've had fishermen

41:59

approached by these things and kind of

42:02

very much how you're describing it. And

42:05

you know, as far as him taking

42:07

you, it could be you know, I mean, you

42:09

kind of have to go off of your gut in those

42:11

situations and how you're feeling

42:13

in those moments. But I kind

42:16

of think if he wanted you, you're

42:18

pretty easy pickings at this point, it'd

42:20

been real easy to grab you and take off

42:22

running. You know what I mean?

42:25

At the time, like when I listened to all the

42:27

podcasts that I've been listening to, I told you I've been

42:30

binging on your stuff from chronologically

42:32

from one and I'm up to like 105 right now. I

42:34

haven't even listened to the current ones. And

42:37

I've been enjoying them and I'm listening and listening

42:39

to them. I'm thinking that it's they

42:41

are more of an ape type

42:43

creature. But as a 12 year old,

42:46

I didn't see that I saw more of a man.

42:48

And that's what creeped me out. I saw

42:51

a really strange man because of his

42:53

face and his hands and his

42:55

muscles. I

42:56

mean, but but his behaviors

42:59

weren't man like this far as

43:01

approaching me. And

43:04

possibly the fact that we dumped out

43:06

the berries, maybe he was satisfied with

43:08

that. Like, oh, that's what I wanted to get all the

43:10

work.

43:12

Yeah, there's many eyewitness reports

43:14

of these things approaching fishermen.

43:17

And the fishermen will throw fish and then

43:19

take off running. And the creature will

43:21

sit down, eat the fish and not really go after

43:23

the person. But again, I

43:25

wasn't there. I mean, I understand being 12 years

43:28

old, and your mindset of,

43:30

you know, he's going to take me and I think

43:34

it was probably the berries, you know, it's probably

43:36

what he wanted. And

43:37

that's just my opinion. I'm, you

43:40

know, throwing spitballs here because

43:42

I again, I wasn't there. I asked

43:44

everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch

43:47

is? And I know from talking to you,

43:49

you kind of think it's more of an ape.

43:52

I now I do I kind

43:54

of vacillate as a kid, I thought for

43:56

sure it was a human, a strange human.

43:59

But now when I hear the

44:01

stuff that I hear, and then sometimes

44:03

I think, could they just be a species all onto their

44:06

own? I don't know, I really don't know, but I

44:08

kind of lean more toward some

44:10

type of an ape because of the things

44:12

that I hear now and the experiences, the different

44:14

kinds of experiences other people have. They

44:18

certainly are smart, that's for

44:20

sure.

44:21

As a kid, I thought it was a man, I really

44:23

did. I really thought it was a man because of the hands,

44:27

but just the face was all wrong. The face was

44:29

so ugly to me at that time. It

44:31

was just in my nightmares.

44:34

He just was so intense and just,

44:37

it was, and

44:39

that photo that I sent you, that was somebody

44:41

made that, it's an AI photo. That

44:44

guy is actually better looking than what I saw,

44:46

and his nose isn't quite right, but

44:49

as far as the shape of the face

44:50

and the intensity of the eyes,

44:53

all the mouse and all the things look so

44:55

hard, but they're very malleable. He

44:58

moved his mouth around and he made

45:01

a lot of expressions with his mouth.

45:04

Like I said, even when he leaped, his eyes

45:06

opened up wider and his mouth was partially

45:09

open.

45:10

I can't tell you right now if I saw

45:13

teeth or not, I might have, I just

45:15

thought it was a man, that's

45:17

for sure, just even by his hands, but

45:20

the hair,

45:21

like I said, that's

45:23

what was so confusing. His hair was not

45:25

like a dog's hair. It was, you could

45:28

kind of see through it a little bit. It

45:31

was kind of wiry almost, like, and it

45:33

was off the skin, but like

45:36

where the arm, the joint of the arm was,

45:39

the clavicle area, the chest, I

45:41

could see the chest muscles, the shoulder.

45:44

I could see skin

45:47

at some parts of his body, you know,

45:49

but then when he

45:51

turned, his backside was very hairy.

45:53

His head was, it was shaggy

45:55

and hairy,

45:57

like a couple inches long, two, three inches.

46:00

Yeah, and I would imagine

46:02

at 12, I can understand you going, hey,

46:04

this is some weird guy. Now

46:07

looking back, do you think it's some sort of

46:09

animal that you were seeing?

46:11

I think so. I think

46:13

so because he should have said something

46:16

to me. He should have talked or grunted or he

46:18

didn't make any noise. I

46:20

hear all these stories about stink. I don't remember

46:23

smell. I don't remember that. If

46:25

there was, I don't remember it. I don't think there

46:27

was any smell.

46:29

Let me ask you, going from 60 years

46:32

ago, at what point did you go,

46:34

oh, I think what I ran into

46:36

was a Sasquatch, not a man,

46:39

not a circus freak, not,

46:42

you know, was there a point in time where that kind of hit

46:44

you?

46:46

When 1967, when

46:48

the Patterson Gimlin film came out,

46:50

now this was about five years later,

46:52

and here I am, like 17 years old, thinking

46:54

I'm all grown up, it was all over

46:56

the news. You know how when you get older,

46:59

you tell your parents about dumb stuff you did when

47:01

you were a kid, you know they would have killed you then, but

47:03

you tell them now and they laugh about it? Well,

47:06

I was 17 and my mom and I are watching the

47:08

news and they kept playing it all the time.

47:10

It just kept coming on, you know, about Bigfoot

47:12

and they're showing the Gimlin film.

47:15

And my mom and I are watching it and I'm going, oh my gosh,

47:17

mom. I said, heck,

47:19

I don't have to go to California for

47:21

that. We've got them here in Wisconsin.

47:24

She goes, what do you mean? And then I told her about, remember

47:27

the time I went up on the Greyhound bus by myself

47:29

to see Mike out and be with grandma? I

47:32

said,

47:32

we were in the woods. I told her the whole story. I said,

47:35

I saw one. He approached me,

47:37

mom. I said, it was the scariest thing ever.

47:39

I said, we got lost. I said, we kept it a secret

47:41

because we thought we would never be trusted again. And

47:44

who would believe me? I said, but mine was skinny.

47:46

That's what I kept telling her. I says, the one that I saw was

47:49

tall and skinny. He wasn't

47:51

like a big, thick thing.

47:54

He was a big, tall, skinny guy, but

47:56

very muscular and very ugly.

47:58

And I told my mom.

47:59

Oh my gosh. And I think she told my dad

48:02

and I don't know if it went anywhere from there, but it

48:04

felt so good to

48:05

tell her.

48:07

Yeah, I think the Patterson Gimlin film

48:09

did more for this topic than anything

48:12

else because a lot of people who

48:14

had encounters prior to that like yourself,

48:17

Susan. And, you know, you don't know what you saw.

48:19

It was some weird guy. It was some weird

48:23

ape. It was a gorilla man. And then

48:25

that came out. I could see how that would

48:27

be very eye opening for you to go. You

48:29

know, and I realized Patty didn't quite look

48:32

like the one that you saw. And

48:34

the picture you sent me, the eye drawing,

48:37

I'll post up on on

48:39

the Web site if people want to check out the face,

48:41

you know, as far as what you saw.

48:44

But, you know, going over 60 years

48:47

and and kind of holding it in.

48:50

And I appreciate it. I'm honored

48:52

you come on and kind of share what

48:54

happened to you, because I think that

48:57

the more people come forward, the more

48:59

we get a picture on what's going on.

49:02

What are these things? It's kind

49:04

of the next best saying to, you know, having

49:07

one in your garage that you're studying. But

49:10

I really appreciate you coming on, Susan.

49:13

I really enjoyed chatting with

49:14

you. And again, I'm honored you

49:16

would share it, you know, after all these years.

49:20

Thank you. You know, thank you for letting me

49:22

purge. I probably was talking a million miles

49:24

an hour, but it's such a good feeling

49:26

to talk to somebody who has experienced

49:29

it. And some of the listeners have

49:31

experienced it. And we all kind of go

49:33

through that same thing where you're afraid

49:35

to tell people it's

49:37

easier just not

49:38

to tell it. And then it's easy to bury

49:40

it through the years. And it's

49:42

good to get it out with all the interest in it

49:44

right now. So thank you. I really appreciate

49:47

your show. And I think you've helped a lot

49:49

of people. And if you figure you've done a thousand

49:51

some podcasts, how many more have

49:53

not come forward and how many Bigfoot have not been

49:55

seen? So there's got to be a lot

49:57

of them out there. There's got to be.

49:59

So thank you so much Wes. Thanks

50:03

again, Susan. And that's it for tonight

50:05

everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter,

50:07

shoot me an email. My email address

50:10

is wes at sasquatchchronicles.com

50:13

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50:18

you can become a member and get additional

50:20

shows. Until next time everyone.

50:23

All your love is still low and you want it

50:25

bad The

50:27

light's on with bones in

50:29

hand, up in the heart The

50:33

light's on my wheels and tone

50:35

go alone The

50:37

light's on baby you

50:40

should know where the tune's going

50:43

And that light's on

50:45

this is my home The

50:48

slow-out

50:51

memories of you do

50:53

And in your eyes,

50:56

close at the sky All

50:59

my smell right, memories

51:02

of you do I

51:06

saw a moon as a human and lighter

51:09

The light's on and it's

51:12

power grew wider

51:15

The light's on so above my

51:17

spill a little wiser The

51:21

light's on to the instant, thinner,

51:23

quieter When

51:26

the light's on,

51:28

this is my home The

51:30

slow-out memories

51:33

of you do And

51:36

in your eyes, close

51:39

at the sky All

51:42

my smell right,

51:44

memories of you do mo

52:05

building