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On a late November

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night in 2012, while driving

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in the foothills of Washington, two brothers

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were surrounded by mysterious creatures. Still

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haunted and forever changed, these men

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took to the internet, creating a forum for

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others. If you've had an encounter,

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and no one else can help, maybe

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you can contact Sasquatch

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Chronicles.

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It

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looked like somebody was bent

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over and had their head in the

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window of the deer blind,

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and it either heard me or smelt me,

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and he pulled his head out of the tent

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and stood straight up, and

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that shocked me. They

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don't make people that big.

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The way it moved, almost

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as if it was gliding across the beach. I've

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never seen anything move like that in my life.

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They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

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It sounded like a language, and they

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were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and

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forwards, back and forwards. I

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know what a bear looks like, and there is no way

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on this planet that what I saw were bears.

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911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better...

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Tara? See ya! Hello?

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Get somebody out here. What's

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going on now, sir? That son of a bitch

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is about 6'9", I don't know. Do you see him now,

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sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

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This is Jack from South Mississippi

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and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

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So buckle up and hang on.

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Wow that A-Team intro is pretty awesome. I

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want to thank the listener who sent that to me. He

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didn't put his name in the email but

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that's pretty cool man. I'm going to figure out a way to

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use that more. Thank you again

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for sending that to me. Welcome

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to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

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We've had a great show planned for you. We'll

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be chatting with Scott. Scott comes

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to us from Ohio and

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a very recent encounter Scott had. He

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was with his daughter and he saw

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this huge werewolf looking thing

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run across the road. For the longest

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time he was like I don't know that might have been some weird dog

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and kind of went home and it just

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stuck with him because it was so large and

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the way it moved across the road and kind

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of the different features. I asked Scott to come

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on and talk about this and you

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know when Scott and I were chatting he was telling

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me about the way he grew up in Kentucky

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mainly with his grandparents. You know his grandparents

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were kind of his rock his foundation

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and

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his grandmother would always warn

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him about don't go out after dark

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the booger will get you and his

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grandfather called it a demon. You

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know when I was talking to Scott off the air Scott said you

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know my grandfather would tell me these

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encounters and I would be like okay grandpa

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and then this encounter happened very

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recent to him.

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Ohio. So I asked him if

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he'd come on and not only share his encounter, but

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kind of a family history of the way he

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grew up. If you've had an encounter

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and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an

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email. My email address is Wes

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at Sasquatch chronicles.com.

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And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch

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chronicles.com, you can

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become a member and get additional

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shows. Let's jump into

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it tonight. I want to welcome

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Scott to the show. Scott, thanks

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for coming on, man.

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Oh, thank you for having

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me. Like I told you earlier, I'm a huge

4:34

fan. I really, really enjoy

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your show a lot. I love that you

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focus on the people that are having

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the experiences. And I love that, you

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know, you don't lead them or you don't,

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you know, just kind of let them

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do their thing without judgment and tell their story.

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And I think that that's just really one

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of the great qualities along with a lot of other

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stuff about your show that I really enjoy.

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Wow. Thank you for the kind of words, Scott means

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a lot to me. And thank

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you again for being here. Before

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we get into your encounter, tell

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me a little bit about growing up, you know,

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living with your grandparents and some of the things

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that you experienced with them and some

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of the things that they shared with you.

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Well from a very early age,

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there had always been some strange things that had happened.

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My grandmother and grandfather

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lived right next door. My

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father had turned this old

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garage into a house for us to live in

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that was right next door. And I

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can always remember strange things happening there.

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There was a lot of, I guess you'd call

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paranormal activity type things. Things

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were always missing, you know, things were always getting

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moved. Being

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a young kid, I usually got blamed for a lot of it. But

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it actually, I really

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felt like there was some sort of a demonic

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presence that kind of worked on my parents

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up until the point to where

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They had a very traumatic,

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violent divorce to

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the point where my dad was going

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to shoot my mom and my mom was going to commit suicide.

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It was very emotional. I don't

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really talk about it a lot. My

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grandfather living next door, he

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was up in years. This

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would have been probably mid-80s.

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So he was right next door, but he would always

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tell me stories, one

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of the stories that I used to like a lot. To

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know my grandfather, you'd have to understand the man is, he

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was always very

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religious. But

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one of the stories that he would tell was when he

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was younger, and you have to keep in mind my

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grandfather was born in 1901. So

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he would have been about 80 in

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his early 80s when he told me these

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stories. And he was actually

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cutting railroad ties for a logging

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company down around Clay County, West

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Virginia, I believe. He

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spoke about, they were out logging,

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it was early morning, getting started,

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getting out there and getting everything ready. And

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the bushes were just shaking violently.

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He said, all of a sudden this

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big hairy thing came

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out of the bushes and started

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screaming at them. And it was huge.

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He was six foot three. He

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said it was towered over him and it just screamed

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at him. He never called it Bigfoot.

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He always called it a demon, which I always thought

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was strange. He always referred to it as the demon,

7:29

the big hairy demon. And he told me, he

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said, they ran off the

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crew. They all took off and

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went back to get the manager

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or the logging crew, captain, whatever it would

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have been, to come back and they came

7:44

back and there was nothing there. But

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they did find some really big

7:49

footprints that he described as twice as long

7:51

as his.

7:53

And I guess it bothered him to the point

7:55

where he actually uprooted his entire family

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and moved from West Virginia to Ohio.

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So, he just rooted

8:02

up everybody and moved it, bothered him that

8:04

bad. But

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he had another one that I thought was even

8:09

more interesting that happened to him later in life.

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And this regarded his brother who

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came to visit from West Virginia here to Ohio.

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And the story goes that they went out

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one day, they were going to go squirrel hunting, this

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little hunting area

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that we have not too far from actually from where I live

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now.

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And they went out and

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it was really super quiet. He said

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you could hear a nut drop in the woods. It was just

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an odd day, super quiet. And

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they decided since they didn't hear anything, they were going to split up.

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So the story goes my uncle, my great uncle went

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up this hill and there was this big

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log fallen tree laying

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down that was pretty high. And

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he, so he always carried a sidearm.

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So he always had a pistol

8:56

of some kind and then he had either a 14 or a 22, I

8:58

can't remember which, that

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was a squirrel hunting gun that

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they used.

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And the way they always described my

9:06

great uncle was he was kind

9:08

of like Clint Eastwood. He was an avid hunter,

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wasn't scared of anything. He's been all

9:13

over hunting large game and he was just

9:15

an outdoorsman, like just one of the good

9:18

old rough guys back in the day. And

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I guess when he climbed over this log

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and he

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kind of, I guess he either got up on the log

9:27

and slipped or he jumped down and slipped.

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And as soon as he slipped and kind of caught himself

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and kind of got back up to his feet,

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this

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what he described as a huge hairy

9:38

thing was standing

9:40

like a foot away from him. He said he could smell

9:42

its breath and it was hot and stinky

9:45

and nasty, just like a, like a

9:47

dog's breath or like a horse. If you've ever been

9:49

a real close to a horse, how there's just so much

9:51

hot breath coming off of it.

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And according to him, he pulled

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out his gun and he started shooting. at it, point

10:00

blank range. And then he just took off.

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I guess he unloaded. And my

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grandfather, being on the other side of the woods, started

10:08

hearing all this gunfire.

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He thought, oh my gosh, what is happening? What is going on?

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He started running towards

10:15

my great uncle. And I guess my great

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uncle was running towards him screaming, go, go,

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go, go, go. We got to we got to get out of here.

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It's going to get me. And,

10:24

you know, that he gets back to the truck

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and they get in, get in the truck and they

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can't my grandfather can't calm him down because

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he's just so scared

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and terrified. I guess they get

10:35

back to the house and be finally

10:38

after some hot tea and get some calm down.

10:40

And he tells my grandfather that I

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stepped over the log and there's this

10:45

huge, big, giant hairy

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thing that stood up

10:49

and kind of showed its teeth to me.

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And so I just unloaded on it. And

10:55

of course, my grandfather was like, oh, I want to go back. Let's

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go back and see. Let's go see what you shot.

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If it's wounded, we got to get, you know, there's blood.

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If there's something, we got to go back. And

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to this day, I guess

11:05

my great uncle never went

11:07

back in the woods and never went hunting again. And they

11:11

never went back out to the spot. I

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never heard

11:14

any resolution to it. But I do know

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that my uncle would tell the story

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to his kids and his nieces

11:22

and nephews. And so my family

11:24

is kind of estranged. So I went back

11:27

and I checked in with my real dad who I've

11:29

been estranged from for about 13 or 14

11:31

years. And then my aunt

11:33

who I'd been estranged from for 20 years.

11:36

And they hadn't spoken either. They haven't talked in

11:38

over 20 something years. And both

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of their stories

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from hearing him tell this personally,

11:45

are the same. They line up

11:47

detail for detail, right down to,

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you know, he smelled its breath.

11:52

It was huge.

11:53

It was a monster. Now

11:56

he did, my uncle did call it a

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Bigfoot. He called it a Bigfoot.

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But my grandfather never would. He always

12:04

called it a demon. So I always thought that was

12:06

kind of a strange thing. But again, my

12:09

grandfather was more, probably more religious and

12:11

honestly thought it was some

12:13

sort of a demon when he saw in his younger years. Yeah,

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I think it's strange your grandfather called

12:19

them demons and makes me

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wonder why. I think it's more than just

12:24

he was religious. I'm

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always fascinated when

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people call them demons. I always want to ask like

12:30

a million questions. And Scott,

12:32

as I was reading your email, one of the

12:34

things that stood out to me, and it's

12:37

a term mainly in the South, you'll hear

12:39

a lot,

12:40

especially from kind of an older generation,

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your grandmother called them boogers, didn't

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she?

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Yes. So after

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my mom and dad got divorced, I spent a

12:52

lot of time with her

12:54

mom and dad, which is my grandparents that

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lived in Eastern Kentucky. And

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they lived in the middle of nowhere. When

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we went down there for summer, I would stay

13:03

pretty much the whole summer with just the

13:05

two of them. Sometimes my other cousins would come

13:07

around, but usually it was just me and the two of them.

13:11

My

13:12

grandmother and grandfather, neither one of them drove. They

13:14

didn't even get a phone until I was

13:16

probably 17 or 18. So

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I stayed with them around that

13:21

seven to eight year mark. I

13:24

was about that old. So this was probably mid 80s.

13:27

And my grandmother

13:29

would never let me go out and play at night.

13:31

Usually around that eight, nine o'clock in the

13:34

summertime, it started getting dark, she'd make me come

13:36

in. And if I didn't listen, she'd always tell

13:38

me that

13:39

the booger was going to get me. And

13:41

this was a big thing because she told

13:43

all the kids this better listen, you better be good.

13:45

Don't go out at night. The booger will get you. And

13:48

so I didn't really think about that. I didn't even know

13:50

that

13:51

Sasquatches were called boogers until I

13:53

started listening to your show and

13:55

come to find out a lot of people in the South call Bigfoot

13:59

a booger.

13:59

which I thought was incredibly

14:02

unique because it was very specific that that was

14:04

the word that they used.

14:06

Now, I had an uncle who

14:09

lived just down the road as well. Now,

14:11

this is the middle of nowhere. There are 16 miles

14:13

from the nearest town on a dirt road, you

14:15

know, back in the hills. And my

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uncle, they lived just down the road. He

14:20

came over one evening and he was telling us kids

14:22

about this thing they called the Kalkar,

14:25

which I thought was another unique word.

14:27

I had no idea what it was. And he

14:29

described it as this big white,

14:31

hairy thing that

14:34

would come out of the woods at night. And

14:36

it even scared off a logging crew

14:38

not too long ago from his accord

14:41

just down from where he lived. And

14:43

they described it as this big, white, hairy

14:46

thing that screamed at him and smelled really bad.

14:48

And so that's

14:50

the first time I heard the word the Kalkar.

14:53

My grandmother never referred to it as that. Now,

14:56

you have to understand a lot of my family down there

14:58

are deeply religious people. They don't like talking

15:00

about

15:01

things like this. So

15:04

for me, when I

15:06

was a kid and I'm asking about it, not many people

15:08

would talk about it.

15:09

Well, I remember my grandpa and I, we would always go fishing.

15:12

That was like what he loved to do. He'd always run trout

15:15

lines. And I don't even know if that's legal

15:17

anymore or not, but he would run these trout

15:20

lines. So one morning we get up early,

15:22

he kind of bumps me and he's got his coffee in his hand.

15:24

And he says, hey, I'm going to go down and check the line.

15:26

You want to come with me? And he used to call me boy. They

15:29

used to always call me boy. You want to come with me boy? So

15:31

I'm like, yeah, I'm a little kid. Heck, I want

15:33

to go to the river. I want to go fishing. Yeah, I

15:35

want to see what you caught. So it's real early.

15:38

It's just before light. And we're walking down

15:40

the road. It's probably a good

15:43

two or three mile walk just to get down

15:45

to where you can get to that part

15:47

of the river, the way the river is kind of an S shape

15:49

around the mountains. Of course, I call mountains, but they're just

15:51

really big hills.

15:54

And we get down there and it's starting to get light and we get

15:56

to this spot. And I remember it's kind of

15:58

strange because he normally didn't set a trout line. down

16:00

there. I usually have another spot. It's kind of a new area.

16:03

So we walk down this hill and

16:05

it's just a little dirt path and

16:07

the hill comes down to like a river bottom.

16:10

I don't know if it's like kind of like the lower

16:12

area. The road is kind of up high and we're kind of down this

16:14

little valley and we're walking

16:17

along and I remember there were these big tall weeds and

16:20

this little dirt path, I mean probably only you know

16:22

maybe a foot and a half, two foot across

16:25

and my grandfather's in front of me. He

16:27

always walked with a cane and he always had his little

16:29

pistol in his back pocket and

16:32

he always kind of walked with kind of a little bit of a hunch

16:34

and so he was a little slower but I always followed

16:36

him because he always wanted to go first.

16:38

And I remember

16:41

it was really really quiet

16:43

that morning. Like I didn't hear frogs or

16:45

birds or bugs or anything.

16:48

I could hear literally hear the wind, what

16:50

little there was blowing through these big weeds.

16:53

And I remember

16:56

we got to a point where I smelled

16:58

like what I thought was dead fish because we're getting close to

17:00

the river. I thought maybe it was just dead fish or

17:02

something dead or just sometimes when the river's

17:05

low it'll have that really kind of

17:07

nasty smell to it in the summer. My

17:09

grandparent used to call it the dog days of summer. Don't

17:11

swim in the river or bacteria, whatever it was.

17:15

So we get there in

17:16

this little dirt path and all of a sudden,

17:19

my grandfather was not a very affectionate

17:21

person. He'd be lucky to get a handshake from the man

17:24

most days. And so he never

17:26

really hugged us or anything like

17:28

that. So he actually reached back

17:31

and put his hand directly in the middle of

17:33

my chest. And I remember this so

17:35

clearly because he never did this and

17:37

he put his hand in the middle of my chest and stopped

17:40

me. And he turned around and leaned

17:42

in

17:43

and he said, shh, be quiet.

17:46

Just shh. And I'm all, you know, what's

17:48

going on, what's wrong? And I could tell he was very

17:51

unnerved.

17:52

And so we started hearing

17:54

what sounded like trees

17:57

and limbs breaking and these big

17:59

heavy. footsteps and

18:02

it's not like something was up on the opposite

18:04

hill from where we were. And

18:08

he looks at me and he puts his finger up to his

18:10

mouth and i still remember this cuz i've never seen

18:12

my grandfather.

18:13

He was one of those guys that you would find

18:15

a bear with his walking came to keep us kids

18:18

if you just wanna just kind of you know guys

18:21

so.

18:22

He turns me around he literally takes

18:24

my shoulders and turns me around to face the other direction

18:27

and we start slowly walking out.

18:29

And we get back to where the hill

18:31

comes up

18:32

and this whole time we're kinda hearing stuff up on

18:35

the hill but i couldn't really kinda got farther and farther

18:37

away as we were walking. And so we get

18:39

back up on the road

18:41

and he just looks at me without

18:43

saying anything else he just looks at me and says i'll

18:45

come back and check that one later let's go

18:47

back and see if grandma's got breakfast.

18:50

And that's he he wouldn't

18:53

he didn't explain anything it was just very odd

18:55

now we didn't see anything

18:57

but the smell and from

19:00

listening to your show and some other you

19:02

know stuff that i've heard it was very

19:04

odd that the woods was so quiet

19:07

and i could still remember hearing the the.

19:10

We needs blowing it was so quiet

19:12

and it was weird because i couldn't

19:14

even hear the river really normally you can kinda hear the

19:16

river off in the distance

19:18

but i don't remember even hearing the river.

19:21

Often the distance which i thought was kind of odd

19:23

to but i don't really been down there a lot

19:25

so i didn't know. So

19:28

that was one experience that

19:30

i had with my grandfather now him and my grandmother

19:32

like i said they didn't talk about a lot they just called. It

19:35

the booger and then the

19:37

more and more i heard stories

19:40

then that's when the calcare came up

19:42

so.

19:43

Fast forward maybe a year later i'm

19:46

visiting my grandparents again will we

19:48

go up to see my great grandfather

19:50

and i love going up cuz you lived

19:53

on top of this big hill and

19:55

he had this farm and you always had turkeys

19:58

and all the stuff.

19:59

and he always gave me a fifty cent

20:02

piece and a little case knife and i

20:04

always thought that was the coolest thing to go and see him

20:06

and and by this time you know he's

20:08

up there in age. But

20:10

i remember they lived in this little tiny house

20:12

and how the old wood burning stove and

20:15

it was just.

20:16

It was just so rustic and you know

20:18

what you would imagine people when.

20:20

Deep eastern kentucky to live like up in the hills

20:24

and so.

20:25

He would always tell stories about

20:28

walking around and

20:30

something following him white in

20:32

the woods. Because

20:34

you know they would go up into the hills and they would dig out

20:36

cold on the side of the hills they

20:38

were always fishing and they're always living off the

20:40

land and he would say that you

20:42

know if you are walking.

20:44

You looked out of the corner of your eye

20:47

you can see this thing lean around

20:49

the tree and look at you. Any

20:52

described as being super fast

20:54

like you can run faster than any man. And

20:57

so i

20:58

heard you know when in kind

21:00

of being a kid on sideline you know some of these stories

21:03

between the men especially when they go out behind the bar

21:05

and they choose tobacco and they tell the stories i

21:07

was always you know the boy that was just time

21:09

long. But i finally got up the

21:11

nerve one day to say to him i was

21:14

sitting right next to him and i remember cuz

21:16

he had his platoon next to him cuz

21:18

they always shoot to back i thought that was just the grossest

21:20

thing at the time. And

21:22

so he's

21:24

sitting there and i said grandpa this is my

21:26

great grandpa i said

21:27

what's the calcare.

21:29

And i swear in that house that was so bustling

21:31

with you know everybody cooking in the kitchen everybody

21:34

like you could hurt a pin drop it just got completely

21:36

quiet.

21:37

And it was like you know the record scratching

21:39

on you know when somebody walks in the bar back

21:42

like the old movies it was just like all of a sudden everything

21:44

went quiet

21:45

and he leans in.

21:48

Any gets kinda close to me and he says it

21:50

follows you.

21:52

It's white

21:54

and you don't ever go out at night

21:56

or else the booger will get you

21:58

any kind of gave just a. weird kind

22:01

of creepy little laugh and

22:04

he just leaned back in his chair and then everybody went back

22:06

to their normal whatever.

22:08

I'm just sitting there as a kid just kind of like

22:10

terrified like oh my god there's

22:12

a

22:13

big white hairy thing out in the woods.

22:16

But what I always thought was weird is during the

22:18

day they didn't care what we did which

22:20

looking back on it we ran all over those hills.

22:22

I was I mean there were copperheads

22:25

and rattlesnakes and big sheer

22:27

cliffs and waterfalls. I mean there was it

22:29

was beautiful but it was very dangerous to let a

22:31

you know eight nine-year-old kid

22:33

run around but we we would run around all

22:36

the time and when my cousins would come over we'd go way

22:38

back up into the hills you know we'd

22:40

go look at the old coal mines where they dug

22:42

out the recessed caves you

22:45

know all that stuff it was it was just normal

22:47

we would just for all over the hills. Now

22:49

I didn't really put two and two together but

22:52

I do remember

22:53

hearing strange noises

22:55

and so that's listening to your show I didn't

22:57

really know about wood knocks

23:00

or what a lot of people refer to

23:02

as the Ohio how

23:04

and so I

23:06

remember hearing strange noises as kids

23:08

when we're around in the woods but mostly at night.

23:10

My grandmother and I especially was just a two-up

23:13

of us she would sit on the porch and

23:15

she'd read her Bible and or

23:17

she'd have a little radio go on the cylinder radio

23:20

and we listened for Whipperwills. I

23:22

always thought that was the greatest thing to hear these birds

23:24

you know from Ohio I'd never heard a Whipperwill

23:27

so we'd listen for the Whipperwills and and

23:30

one night I remember just hearing this long

23:33

siren like like almost like a

23:35

like a tornado siren

23:37

like way off in the distance just

23:39

this long howl type thing

23:42

and so I looked at grandma

23:45

and I said what was that and

23:46

she said oh it was probably a mountain lion.

23:48

I'm like okay being

23:50

a kid I didn't know what's a mountain lion sound like

23:53

I have no idea but looking back it's

23:57

I heard the Ohio howl on your show

23:59

and gave me chills because that's what we heard

24:02

in the middle of the night. Just the two of

24:04

us sitting on this little porch, very little light

24:06

in the middle of nowhere. We heard it

24:08

way off in the distance echoing through the hills.

24:12

So after that summer, I'd

24:14

asked my mom I said, Mom, what's the Calcra?

24:16

Because she grew up back in those hills and I wanted to

24:19

know, Mom,

24:20

what is a Calcra?

24:21

So this day I didn't really have a real good explanation

24:24

other than it was just a big white hairy

24:26

thing that lived in the woods.

24:28

So my mom tells me she goes, Well,

24:30

you know, when we were kids, we were always just told

24:32

not to go out at night because the booger would

24:35

get us. But they called

24:37

her the Calcra. And she said we would lay

24:39

in bed as kids.

24:41

And you know, this my mom,

24:43

this would have had to been probably late 50s,

24:45

early 60s. Her and my and

24:48

her cousin would stay

24:50

the night with each other and they would lay in her cousin's

24:52

bed and they live right next to a creek, a

24:54

creek that I often played in and

24:57

still went around when I was a kid. And

24:59

she said that they could hear something

25:01

big moving up and down the creek, lifting

25:03

up rocks and moving rocks. And

25:06

they every time this thing would come

25:08

through, the dogs would all go hide underneath the

25:10

porch. And she said they would lay in bed

25:12

and just be terrified, like pulling

25:15

the blankets up over their head, they could hear it stomping

25:17

around hearing all these weird noises

25:19

and, and just strange

25:21

things would happen when this thing would come through.

25:23

And it didn't always come through. It was every

25:25

once in a while that she said it was just once

25:28

in a while we knew it was in the area, the dogs would

25:30

hide and we'd go inside and get in

25:32

bed and we knew we'd be hearing it that night in the

25:34

creek and sure enough we would hear it.

25:36

She said I don't really know what it is. She

25:38

goes, you know, your great grandfather

25:41

said if you didn't bother it, it wouldn't bother

25:43

you and we just didn't go out at night. And

25:46

so that's what I grew

25:48

up hearing in Eastern Kentucky was,

25:50

you know, there's some thing down there.

25:53

And now I've actually gone back and I've tried

25:55

to type in like white big photo or white Sasquatch

25:58

or Calquer, you know, it's a try.

25:59

and find other people's stories.

26:02

And I did see it. Some guy had posted

26:04

an interview not too long ago, I believe on YouTube,

26:08

about a white Bigfoot in

26:10

Kentucky, not far from that area.

26:13

And I thought that was really strange. There

26:15

was this interview of this man talking about

26:18

seeing a white Bigfoot and that was 2019

26:21

or something like that. If you look it up, I

26:23

thought that was really strange because it's white.

26:26

You don't hear a lot of white. But

26:28

then

26:29

listening to your show, I hear about the white Bigfoot of Pennsylvania.

26:32

And I thought,

26:33

well, that's really not that

26:36

far away from where we are. If

26:38

it wanted to travel along the

26:40

wood

26:41

line, I mean,

26:43

the Appalachian Trail, I'm sure it

26:45

could easily go from there to there. Or maybe these

26:47

things migrate over great distances

26:50

or throughout the different time of the year. Or maybe

26:52

this one when I was a kid was toward

26:54

the end of its years. And maybe, you know, I don't

26:56

know, I didn't really have any good explanation for it.

26:59

But listening to your show and looking

27:01

back on all the experiences I had when I was a kid,

27:04

clearly there was something going

27:06

on down there in the hills. And

27:09

I never really told

27:10

anybody or put two and two

27:12

together. And a lot of my family, I tried

27:15

asking one of my great aunts,

27:18

not too awful long ago, maybe about three or

27:20

four years ago. And she didn't want to talk about

27:22

it at all. She wanted no part of it. She's

27:24

like, Oh, well, we've got bears in the area sometimes.

27:27

And I'm like, I don't ever remember

27:29

hearing anybody talk about a bear. Now

27:32

they would talk about this white thing that

27:34

was almost like a like a ghost that

27:37

they would see or they would talk about a giant

27:42

white mountain lion, which I thought

27:44

was weird because never heard of any mountain

27:46

lions down there. But I'm sure they're

27:48

but let alone are now buying over a white one.

27:51

I do remember so it's funny how things

27:53

come back to you. And as I was emailing you,

27:55

I wrote,

27:57

you know, your emails to tell you about

27:59

some of these things.

27:59

And then I started remembering about my grandfather taking

28:03

me down to the river one other time. And

28:05

it was in the evening. And I thought it was very strange

28:08

that we were going down there in the evening. Well,

28:11

we walked down this other way to a different

28:13

side of the river. Like I said, it's like a big giant S.

28:15

And there's this one part of the river where you could walk down

28:17

where he often fished, where there was this

28:20

big giant sandbar and it was kind of flat.

28:22

And you could sit out by the river and grandpa

28:25

built like a little fire and,

28:27

you know, I'm a kid, I'm flipping

28:30

over rocks looking for crawl daddies

28:32

and turtles and whatever I can find.

28:35

And it's that kind of, you

28:37

know, twilight hour where the sun is kind

28:39

of, you know, just about the set.

28:41

And I remember

28:42

it was very strange because all of a sudden

28:44

this

28:46

guy comes walking out

28:49

of the woods,

28:50

older gentlemen, kind of like my dad,

28:53

big, or like my grandfather, you know, he

28:56

had a big beard and he was just an older

28:58

guy, just walked out of the woods. And

29:00

as I'm sitting there playing, I look and here comes another guy.

29:02

He walks across the shallow rocks across

29:05

the river because the river was really low. He comes out

29:07

of another direction of the woods.

29:09

And then we're there for a little bit and here comes

29:11

another guy. And it was almost like, I don't

29:13

know if you ever seen Lord of the Rings when all the ants

29:16

come out, all the big tree people come out

29:18

for a meeting. It kind of felt like that

29:20

looking back on it. Like these mountain men were

29:23

coming out of the woods to come and sit

29:25

down with my grandfather and have a drink

29:27

and sit by the fire. And

29:30

being a kid, you know, I'm still, I'm playing with the rocks

29:32

and whatever. I'm looking for crawdads or whatever

29:34

I'm doing. And I remember hearing the word calquer

29:37

and my ears kind of perked

29:39

up. I heard calquer. So

29:41

I kind of went back over a little closer to them

29:44

and they're talking. And that's where

29:46

they start talking about this big white

29:48

thing in the woods that would follow them

29:50

and

29:51

how chickens were missing

29:53

or where dogs would be found killed

29:56

and ripped apart or, or just weird

29:58

things.

29:59

And so the other

30:02

thing I found interesting was these old

30:04

guys, these old mountain men were talking about

30:07

ghost lights, seeing lights in the

30:09

hills.

30:10

These guys clearly, they were talking about

30:12

seeing blue and green and amber

30:15

colored lights in the hills at night,

30:18

just in the middle of nowhere. And

30:21

so I just thought their stories just

30:23

amazed me as a kid.

30:26

Yeah, I could definitely understand your curiosity

30:29

and hearing these terms. And I've

30:32

heard the Calcra term one other time.

30:34

It was about seven years ago. I

30:37

was interviewing a guy from West

30:39

Virginia. He didn't come on the

30:41

air. His phone was a mess, but

30:43

he kept calling it the Calcra.

30:46

And I asked him, I go, what is the Calcra? And

30:48

he goes, it's Bigfoot. That's what we call Bigfoot.

30:51

And I always wondered about that name. I kind of did

30:53

the same thing you did, Scott. I remember searching

30:55

the internet, and I could not find

30:58

that term anywhere.

30:59

I always wondered if it was like some Native

31:01

American name, and it's like

31:04

our slang version of what they're

31:06

calling it. So we call it the Calcra. And

31:09

again, I've only heard that one other time, and that was

31:11

about seven years ago. I

31:13

wanna come back and ask you a question about your

31:15

grandmother. Before

31:18

I do, take me to the fall

31:20

of 2022, when

31:23

you saw this strange creature, kind of

31:25

what were you doing and what happened?

31:29

It was October, 2022. It

31:33

was after my daughter's choir concert.

31:36

I remember my wife stayed home with

31:38

a toddler, obviously taking

31:41

a toddler to the choir concerts. Rough,

31:44

he's a pretty rowdy little guy. So

31:47

me and my daughter drive at home.

31:48

Didn't have the radio on or anything. She was playing on her phone,

31:50

typical teenage girl playing on her phone

31:53

while I'm driving. And we get just

31:55

about a mile or so outside of town. And

31:59

and there's no oncoming

32:02

traffic or anything. And then all

32:04

of a sudden I see this big giant

32:10

jungle looking thing that comes

32:13

out of the creek bed on one side of

32:15

the road. There's like a dry creek bed and

32:17

a fence there and shoots

32:20

straight across the road with

32:22

such speed. And I'm like bumping my

32:24

daughter and I bump her just in time for her to look up.

32:27

And she looks up and I said, what was that? And

32:29

she goes, she just kind of looks at me, big dog and

32:32

kind of sarcastically, and

32:34

I'm like, no, that was definitely something different.

32:37

And so, but what was crazy is

32:39

how fast it moved. I've

32:42

been in the woods my entire life, boy

32:44

scouts, hunting, camping, fishing. I've

32:47

seen all different kinds of animals. I've seen coyotes,

32:49

I've seen bear, I've seen, you name it. And

32:52

this thing

32:54

moved almost like a flash.

32:56

It was so fast.

32:59

It was almost hard to even get a good look

33:01

at it. It was moving so fast from one side

33:03

of the road to the other.

33:05

But I remember specifically,

33:07

it was like a dark brown or a black

33:10

and it had, man,

33:12

it's kind of frightening just

33:14

to think about it again because it's just,

33:17

it was huge. And it had this like mane,

33:19

almost like a chow dog. I

33:22

don't know if you've ever seen a big chow dog, but

33:25

what was different is it had a big, long snout

33:28

and big pointy ears, like

33:30

a doberman or like a German shepherd.

33:32

And I remember the hair behind the head, which I thought was

33:35

very strange, but

33:37

it covered a good

33:39

a hundred yards within

33:42

just a matter of mere seconds. I mean, it was that

33:44

fast. It was just a flash running

33:46

across the road. And

33:48

I just thought it was the strangest thing

33:50

because I've always wanted to see

33:53

something. I've always wanted to see, you know,

33:55

a Bigfoot or a ghost or something, that I've

33:57

never actually seen anything.

33:59

When I saw it, it

34:02

took me back. It made me question

34:06

what on earth am I seeing? And then you try to justify

34:08

it, okay, that was just a big dog or that was some

34:11

kind of coyote hybrid or something. That's

34:13

all it was. And so

34:16

I tried to justify it in my mind. I

34:18

just saw a big dog. It's not a big deal. We

34:20

go home and I mentioned

34:22

it to my wife in passing. I'm like, yeah, we saw this

34:25

big

34:25

dog thing right across whatever

34:29

the road. And she's like, oh, and didn't really...

34:31

That was kind of it. But

34:34

what was really kind of strange is after

34:36

I saw this thing, I started

34:38

having these really strange

34:40

dreams. I

34:42

don't know how... It's hard to describe. So I've heard people

34:44

talk about when they see this thing, whatever

34:47

it is, that they have weird dreams or that these things

34:49

will visit you in your dreams or whatever. But my dreams

34:52

started becoming very strange to

34:54

the point... And I don't want to sound crazy because this

34:56

just... I know it sounds nuts. But

35:01

I would dream that I was

35:03

me living my life, but it was

35:05

a whole different life. Like different

35:07

job, different house. Sometimes even my kids

35:10

would look different, but they were still my kids and I knew

35:12

them

35:13

or my wife would look different or we'd live somewhere

35:15

else, different friends. And

35:17

so I started looking up these dreams and it says,

35:19

you know, supposedly you can't.

35:21

Dream of a face you've never seen. I

35:24

guess that's kind of a thing. I don't know. That's

35:26

what I've read that you can't dream of a face you've never

35:28

seen. But I can tell you, I

35:31

dreamed of faces that I've never seen.

35:33

Not in passing, not on Facebook, not

35:36

whatever.

35:37

They're very specific and it's me.

35:40

And I'm comfortable in my life and I know who my family

35:43

is. I know those are my kids. I know that's my

35:45

wife. I know those are my friends. I know that's

35:47

my house, but it's not my house.

35:50

It's not my current life.

35:53

And it's only happened since

35:56

I saw this thing. And I know that sounds

35:58

completely crazy, but I swear I'm... I'm

36:00

telling the truth. This

36:03

thing was

36:05

something different. It was something not

36:08

natural. It couldn't have been natural. The way it moved,

36:10

I've never seen an animal, a human, anything

36:13

move. I mean, if you took your hand

36:15

and you moved it across in front of your face quickly, that

36:18

fast kind of

36:19

blurry kind of motion, that's how fast

36:21

this thing was going. I mean, it was moving fast.

36:25

I

36:29

got up the nerve probably

36:31

about a year later to actually stop

36:34

there in the daylight. I

36:37

thought, I'm going to stop, get out, and just kind of

36:39

how big was this thing? Because

36:41

I remember it being big, but at

36:43

nighttime, I couldn't really

36:46

get a good grip on how big it was. I

36:48

get out and it's the daytime. I'm

36:51

looking around, I'm looking at the creek bed, I'm looking at the fence,

36:53

and I'm looking over at the road sign

36:55

that's right there. I'm looking at everything. I'm going,

36:58

this thing had to be four feet

37:00

on all fours. Its back

37:02

had to be a good four feet on

37:05

all fours. That's how big it was. That's

37:08

when it really started to creep me out and get me like,

37:11

this was only about 10 minutes

37:14

from my house. This is not

37:16

far from where we live. I've

37:20

never seen anything like it. I can't even

37:22

describe, compare

37:25

it to anything other than these

37:27

stories I hear on your show and other shows

37:29

about

37:30

dog men. It reminded

37:32

me of that old movie,

37:34

what was it, American Werewolf in London, the

37:36

one that used to creep me out when I was a kid. Just

37:39

this big

37:40

creature, but the way

37:42

it moved, it really

37:45

has stuck with me. I haven't

37:47

seen anything move like that. Like

37:51

I said, weird stuff has been happening

37:53

ever since I've seen it.

37:56

The dreams are very interesting

37:58

to me. people have

38:00

encounters, most of the time they have nightmares

38:03

about the encounter they just had. I

38:05

mean, I experienced that, you know, nightmares

38:07

for, got to the point where I really didn't

38:09

want to go to sleep.

38:11

But you know, I think anytime

38:14

someone experiences something traumatic,

38:17

and it doesn't have to be, you know, bodily injury,

38:19

I mean, you're seeing something that shouldn't

38:22

exist, I think subconsciously,

38:24

your brain's trying to rest

38:27

by having these weird

38:29

dreams.

38:30

And that's just my opinion, I could be 100%

38:33

wrong on that.

38:34

It is interesting, though, and I appreciate

38:37

you sharing that small little detail. How

38:40

far away from you was this thing?

38:43

And I realize all this is happening

38:45

very, very quickly. But

38:47

what were some of the details that stood

38:49

out to you about its appearance?

38:53

Well, it was probably

38:55

a good 50 or 60 feet in

38:57

front of the car. It was just

38:59

good enough in the headlights to where I got a good look

39:02

at it. You know, I mean, it was that right at that point

39:04

where if it had been a little farther down, I probably

39:06

would have barely been able to make it out in the headlights.

39:09

But you know, I got a newer car, it's pretty

39:11

bright headlights. So I mean, I could see it pretty

39:13

clearly.

39:14

And I remember the fur,

39:17

the way the fur like moving, like it was running

39:19

so fast, the fur was kind of blowing back. Like

39:23

I remember that specifically and how long

39:25

it was around its head, and how

39:27

it was shorter on the rest of its

39:29

body. And

39:31

I remember it had a tail, which I thought was weird too.

39:34

It had not like a big huge bushy

39:36

tail, but some sort of tail trailing

39:38

behind it with hair on it, but didn't seem

39:40

like it was as long as like this big mane around

39:43

its head, right.

39:44

And I remember the snout, I remember seeing

39:47

you know, just this big,

39:48

big snout, like, like I said, like

39:50

a German Shepherd, it's stuck out from from

39:53

its face pretty far. And then

39:55

those ears sticking up out of

39:57

the hair, I could see them just standing straight

39:59

up like

39:59

They weren't moving hardly at all other than kind of blowing

40:02

back a little bit. But

40:04

it

40:05

had to be black

40:07

or dark brown and it

40:09

was running on all fours and

40:12

just comparing the size to going back there and standing

40:14

out there myself. I'm not a big guy. I'm like five

40:16

foot 10. I go out there and I'm standing there. I'm going,

40:18

wow, this thing

40:21

had to be

40:22

every bit of four foot running on all fours.

40:25

Now I never saw it stand up. It was

40:27

just moving so fast across the road.

40:30

And this is a very rural area. We

40:32

live, there's a lot of cornfields and things out here.

40:34

There's, you know, it's the middle

40:36

of the night by October, most of those

40:38

are, most of the cornfields and everything are gone. So

40:41

it's just big open fields and there's some

40:43

brush and some trees. I remember there was a pretty big

40:45

creek,

40:46

not far from there,

40:48

just down the road a bit, which I thought

40:50

was, you know, you always hear

40:51

people talk about water and water being nearby

40:53

and seeing these things. And I don't know if there's

40:55

any truth to that, but it just,

40:58

it really stood out to me because I grew

41:00

up watching monster movies. I love monster

41:02

movies. I've always loved the idea of monsters,

41:05

but then I see this

41:07

real life werewolf

41:09

fucking thing and I just don't even know how

41:11

to wrap my head around it. I'm like, I thought this stuff

41:13

is supposed to be fake. It's supposed to be made up.

41:16

It's not real, but I

41:18

know what I saw. Yeah.

41:21

Four feet tall on all fours. I

41:23

mean, that thing is huge. That thing is really

41:25

huge.

41:26

You know, I had a Pibble one time and he was

41:29

about 90 pounds and he was a big dog

41:32

compared to, I guess, for the audience to kind

41:34

of comparing it to a household

41:37

dog. I realize that's not what you saw,

41:39

but I mean, when you were looking at this saying, how

41:42

much do you think it weighed? I know it's kind

41:44

of a hard question to answer.

41:47

So when I grew up, we had Huskies,

41:50

big, big Huskies. I mean, we're talking a hundred

41:52

pound Husky dog, big, big Huskies.

41:55

And I, over the years I've had, you

41:57

know, I've had a sheep dog, a big sheep dog. I've

41:59

had German Shepherd.

41:59

I mean, I've had big dogs throughout the

42:02

years growing up and around. They've

42:04

always been kind of around. We've always had some kind of a dog. Usually

42:06

they were bigger dogs. And

42:08

I can tell you that compared

42:11

to a hundred pound dog,

42:13

I mean, this thing, I mean,

42:15

I would say five times

42:18

that it had to be, we're talking four

42:20

or five hundred pounds easy. I

42:23

grew up on a farm too. I'm

42:25

used to judging size of cows

42:28

and sheep and animals, you know,

42:30

that weighs 1200 pounds or that

42:32

weighs, you know, she's probably about 250

42:35

things like that. So looking at this thing and going

42:37

back and kind of standing side by side where it was,

42:39

I'm going to say this thing was every bit of 400 to 500 pounds

42:42

easy.

42:46

You know, I've only seen a cheetah

42:48

on TV. I've never seen one in person,

42:51

but I think they run anywhere between 50 and 80 miles

42:54

an hour.

42:55

And I think they're probably closer to 80.

42:58

But you know, when I watch a cheetah on TV,

43:00

I don't think a natural at all.

43:03

I just think, wow, things are really moving. But

43:05

you know, when people see Dog Man and when they

43:07

see Sasquatch, like in a

43:09

full stride, that word

43:12

unnatural comes up a lot.

43:14

What was it about its movements that really

43:16

stood out to you?

43:20

It moved in a way like I never

43:22

seen it bob up and down

43:24

or anything. It just seemed like it kind of, I don't

43:27

know, like it was just fluent across

43:30

the road. Like it was so smooth

43:32

and so fast. And

43:35

I've seen animals run full speed. You know,

43:37

I've seen dogs and other things run. This

43:39

didn't run like a normal dog. It

43:42

just

43:44

moved so quickly

43:46

and so just straight.

43:49

Like it didn't seem like it had much effort,

43:51

but it was going so, so fast.

43:55

And the legs looked

43:56

almost like a blur. Like I said, it was just moving

43:59

that fast. It was like if you would have blinked

44:02

an eye for a second, if I would have looked away

44:04

even for a second, I would have probably missed

44:07

it or I would have caught just something running off

44:09

on the other side of the road. It was just

44:11

so smooth the way it ran.

44:14

Now, I don't remember seeing

44:16

if the back legs were bigger or

44:18

if its butt stuck up in the air. It seemed like everything

44:20

was pretty level.

44:23

But I don't remember seeing it

44:25

bounce up and down or when an animal runs,

44:28

you can tell they got left, right, left,

44:30

right. You'll see the shoulder blades and stuff up and down. But this

44:33

didn't really move like that. It didn't

44:36

move like an animal running that I've ever

44:38

seen. Like I said, it almost seemed,

44:40

I

44:42

don't know, supernatural or paranormal

44:44

in some way, the way it moved. But I knew

44:46

it was a real thing. I could see it. I could see it moving

44:49

through the bushes as it left. I mean, it made movement.

44:51

It impacted the environment. It's not

44:54

like it wasn't real, but you moved in

44:56

a way that didn't seem real.

44:58

Like the flash out of

45:00

a comic book almost, it's just moving so fast

45:02

and so fluently that it's just... You

45:06

know, Scott, I've actually had a lot of reports

45:09

from Ohio regarding

45:11

this dog man. A lot of times

45:14

people will see an upright canine,

45:16

but when it's on all fours, they'll describe

45:19

it. I mean, you described it to a tee

45:21

of what I've heard in the past, four or five

45:23

feet tall on all fours. And

45:26

I hate the term dog man, but... And

45:29

I really think that's what you saw. What do

45:31

you think it is? What's your take? I mean,

45:33

it's such a weird thing people are seeing.

45:37

So I honestly don't know. And like I said,

45:39

I've listened to a bunch of your shows

45:41

on it and I've kind

45:44

of all throughout the South,

45:46

Louisiana, all the way up to Ohio,

45:49

to Michigan, the dog man. And again,

45:51

I agree with you. I don't like that word either because

45:53

I don't think...

45:56

I don't know. I don't think... I mean,

45:58

it's been around for a long

45:59

time I think, but I don't know what exactly

46:02

it is. It seems like it's

46:04

on the verge of something

46:07

natural, not natural. It's almost

46:09

like when you hear people's accounts of Bigfoot and

46:11

stuff, well, it just disappeared or it just appeared.

46:14

I don't know that what I saw looked

46:17

like a flesh and blood animal. It didn't look

46:20

like it was any kind of spirit

46:22

or magical thing. But

46:25

I think that there are these rare

46:28

creatures or

46:31

whatever you want to call them that are

46:33

very good at hiding. If they have

46:36

heightened senses and they're faster than we

46:38

are, they're top predators.

46:40

They can move faster than we can. They can hide

46:43

better than we can. They could smell us coming from a mile

46:45

away. So it's not hard to hide

46:47

from us. And when they do come out, maybe

46:49

it's an accident or maybe they were hunting and we

46:51

caught a glimpse of them or maybe they wanted

46:54

to be seen. I really felt

46:56

like it's...

46:57

I hear people on your show talk about how

46:59

it's evil. I

47:01

really didn't get that immediate

47:03

sense of evil or

47:05

like dread

47:06

until I got home. And then I thought about

47:09

how close it was to home and my family

47:12

and everything. That's when I started feeling

47:14

like,

47:15

oh, that's just not 10

47:17

minutes from here. It's right down the road. What if

47:19

you hear stories about these things following

47:22

you home? And so I started getting

47:24

this anxiety and this fear

47:26

and I just

47:28

started getting panicky and just...

47:31

I don't know exactly

47:34

what it is, but I know it's something that's not

47:36

something

47:37

you're going to find every day. It's

47:39

definitely either super rare or it's something

47:41

we just don't understand. It's

47:44

got to be one of the two things either. It's just super

47:46

good at hiding and hunting or

47:49

it's

47:50

something paranormal.

47:53

There's really no other explanation.

47:55

Either it's flesh and blood or it's not. But

47:58

what I saw was flesh and blood. and

48:00

it was big. Yeah,

48:02

I'm with you, Scott. I think that the Dogman

48:05

is very physical. People are running into

48:07

a ghost. They're running into something very

48:09

physical and it's large and

48:12

they're terrified. And

48:14

Dogman really doesn't make any sense because

48:17

canines can't get up on two legs

48:20

and run around. But I've heard many,

48:22

many reports of whatever

48:24

this thing is, that's exactly what it does.

48:27

Runs around like a man. And

48:29

people are seeing it. I want

48:31

to go back to you growing

48:33

up and your family and I really

48:36

appreciate you sharing moments in time

48:38

with your family and growing up. And

48:41

I ask everyone on the show, what do you think

48:43

Sasquatch is? And I'm curious,

48:45

what are your thoughts, Scott? What do you think

48:47

that Sasquatch is?

48:50

I know you're going to ask me that because I listened

48:52

to your show and asked the question that when

48:54

you ask it, I'm like, what would I say? What

48:56

would I say if Wes asked me that?

49:00

And listening to your show and

49:02

I just want to again say that

49:04

I think you do a great job with it and I really

49:06

appreciate you letting me tell my story because it's

49:09

not something that I

49:10

would normally just blurt out. But

49:15

it's kind of a scary

49:17

thing. But growing up with

49:20

the stories and things that I've heard regarding

49:22

Sasquatch and Bigfoot and

49:25

I

49:26

really, I'm going to have to say I'm

49:28

on board with you. I don't think

49:30

it's an ape. I think it's something

49:32

else. I think it's flesh and blood.

49:35

I think it's something that just

49:37

either it's

49:41

some kind of just

49:43

an ancient tribe of peoples

49:46

that have just never

49:48

really civilized and

49:50

moved out of the woods. They just kind of stayed

49:52

in the woods or

49:55

it's, I don't

49:57

think it's an ape. I don't know about

49:59

hybrid. I know there's been a lot of talks about hybrids

50:02

and things like that, but if there are hybrids,

50:04

then the Indians reported

50:06

this thing. How does it

50:08

become a hybrid back then? Were there gorillas

50:10

over here? No. How did you get a hybrid

50:13

gorilla a thousand years

50:15

ago?

50:16

I

50:18

think Sasquatch is its own

50:20

unique thing.

50:21

I think that's probably part of the reason that

50:24

we have such a hard time

50:26

really

50:28

identifying it, tracking it down,

50:30

or getting a good picture of it. I think it's its own

50:33

thing. I think it's very unique.

50:36

It's nothing like anything else.

50:39

There's reports of them all over the world. Like you

50:41

said, almost every continent has a

50:43

hairy man or a big foot or a yowie

50:45

or something.

50:47

I really think that Sasquatch

50:49

is a very

50:51

unique creature. I listen

50:54

to your shows and some of Ron

50:56

Morehead's theories and things like that.

50:59

I love all

51:01

the experts and the people that you bring on. Some of them,

51:04

they're just standing on their

51:07

shoulders. These guys are the ones

51:10

that are the real deal. They've been out there doing this stuff. I've

51:13

never gone looking for big footers to Sasquatch.

51:15

For me, when I listen to the show, I'm thinking, what do I think

51:17

it is? I think it's

51:19

its own thing. There's

51:23

nothing like it. The reason it

51:25

can

51:26

avoid us is because it has

51:28

these heightened senses, these

51:30

heightened ability

51:33

to move. I've heard they can run super fast.

51:35

I've heard they can... You can stand right

51:37

next to one off the trail 10 feet away from

51:39

you. You can't see it. These stories

51:42

that you hear, they're so close to you. You don't even know what's there.

51:45

Maybe they are

51:46

just really good at adapting to their

51:48

environment and hiding.

51:51

I think that their curiosity gets to

51:53

them and that's why we see them sometimes or we invade

51:56

their area and they

51:58

don't want us there.

51:59

start the traditional

52:02

rock throwing and bluff charging

52:04

and noises and screaming. I think that

52:07

they know. They don't want us in

52:09

that area, so that's their thing. Just get out

52:11

of my area. But if they're that

52:14

good at hiding and they've been doing it so long

52:16

and it is a people or a

52:18

type of people that live in the woods and they

52:20

just never

52:22

became civilized and they stayed out there,

52:24

it's

52:25

just like any other animal. I would assume if

52:27

you put a dog in the woods and he becomes

52:29

feral, he reverts back. Maybe they've

52:32

just never reverted out

52:34

of that feral stage, but they've also

52:37

evolved a bit to where they've learned what we

52:39

are. They've learned that guns are bad, that they're

52:41

going to kill us, so they stay away. Or they've learned that,

52:44

hey, if I go and I kill that person, then ten of those are

52:46

going to come after me and

52:48

they're going to try to wipe me out. Maybe

52:51

they have a language. Maybe they

52:54

have spoken history like Native Americans.

52:56

Maybe they pass knowledge along where

52:58

they know, hey, if you see humans,

53:01

stay away from them. They will kill you.

53:04

I really think that that's something that, like

53:07

I said, just listening to your show, it really

53:09

makes me wonder because I know, again, I've

53:12

never seen one, but I know that

53:14

there's something out there. There's just too many

53:16

reports. There's too much going on. I

53:18

think I heard one of the

53:21

people on your show say, there's enough evidence out there that

53:23

you could convict somebody for murder in court.

53:26

You have more evidence than what they can convict somebody for

53:29

murder in court. That's how much evidence

53:31

we have. But yet,

53:33

you could go down the whole

53:35

rabbit hole of government coverup and all that

53:37

stuff. But I really think that it's

53:40

something unique.

53:43

I think these people that have seen it, it's just changed

53:45

their lives. Listening to you and Woody's

53:47

encounter and stuff, I know

53:49

that it's changed your life and that

53:52

you know it's real.

53:53

But how do we classify

53:57

it? What do you call it? What group do you

53:59

put it in? Do you see it? say it's an

54:01

upright hominid, is it a

54:04

hybrid, is it a ancient people?

54:07

It's clearly intelligent, it clearly avoids

54:09

us and can

54:11

disappear into the woods in the blink

54:13

of an eye if it wanted to and just blend with

54:15

its environment. I don't know, that's the

54:18

big question, right? That's the number one thing, what is

54:20

it? But I really think it's unique, I

54:22

think they're their own, they're

54:24

their own thing, they're their own people.

54:26

I really do.

54:28

And I appreciate your answer, Scott.

54:31

I mean, I agree with you, I think

54:33

that it is its own thing, whatever

54:35

that is.

54:37

You know, one question I wanted to ask

54:39

you earlier, when you were sitting

54:41

on the porch with your grandmother and

54:43

you guys heard something similar

54:46

to this. I think your

54:48

grandmother's a very independent first fl cloaked

54:50

motherfucker. I literally dreams you from

54:52

a foreignsey word like

54:55

death. So

54:59

why don't you go andJack me? I

55:10

am going to be ... Whoa

55:13

whoa whoa whoa whoa!

55:19

And your grandmother, you know, being living

55:21

out in the country and knowing

55:23

what a cougar sounds like. You know, when

55:25

a cougar screams it sounds more like

55:27

this.

55:40

So I think your grandmother was kind of lying to

55:42

you, probably to protect you. You know, you don't

55:44

want to say it's that freak show

55:46

out there running around. You go with cougar

55:48

and do you think your grandmother saw the

55:51

creature before?

55:53

I can't say because she

55:55

never said right

55:58

out. I know that, you know, She's

56:00

a very, very religious woman

56:03

and didn't talk about certain

56:05

things. Like you, she would just avoid certain

56:07

things like the plague. And,

56:09

uh, I don't ever actually remember

56:13

asking her specifically what the Calcutta

56:15

or what the booger was. I just remember

56:17

that she would just tell me if I wasn't good, it was going to

56:19

get me, or if I went out at night, it was going to get me. I

56:22

do think she knew a lot more than what she

56:24

let on. Um, I actually think that

56:26

maybe she was feeding something.

56:28

She used to put this big silver pot out.

56:31

And I don't know if I told you this or not, but she's

56:33

put this big silver pot out on this

56:35

stump and put the

56:37

leftovers in it.

56:39

I thought that was strange because if you had leftovers,

56:41

you just pitch them out the door and whatever animal

56:43

come along would eat it, you know? But she would actually

56:46

put it on the stump

56:47

by the edge of the hauler where the spring was. And,

56:50

and she would put the food there and then we'd

56:52

get up the next day and it'd be gone.

56:54

And I think my grandfather knew something too,

56:56

because, um, whenever something

56:59

would get into his chickens, he would always, you know,

57:01

we

57:01

never find any blood or any feathers, but he said

57:03

there was missing chickens. And the only way

57:05

to get in and out would have been to open the door,

57:07

you know, actually physically turn the handle and open the door

57:10

on the chicken coop. Well, I thought what's strange

57:12

is that he put sulfur around

57:14

the chicken coop. And I heard

57:17

like, I never knew that was even a thing.

57:19

And I heard that on your show one time that somebody had said

57:21

that these people would put sulfur on the property

57:23

to keep these things away. Well,

57:25

I remember specifically grandpa was putting sulfur

57:27

around the chicken coop

57:29

and I thought it was to keep away snakes

57:32

or other critters. I, and it could have been, I don't know.

57:34

It might be reading too much into it, but I remember that.

57:36

And I remember, you know, chickens had

57:38

gotten out and

57:41

been missing. Um, I

57:43

remember, you know, him having me climb

57:45

a tree, you know, early morning, one time to

57:47

catch all the chickens and pass them down to him, this big

57:49

pine tree and pass him down to him. He was throwing them in this burlak,

57:52

burlak bag because they'd gotten out in the middle of the night and you couldn't

57:54

figure out how they'd gotten out. Cause he'd actually put

57:56

a piece of wire around the, uh,

57:59

the walk.

58:00

on the chicken coop and it was like a turn handle

58:03

type thing and he twisted a piece of wire around it and somehow

58:06

they'd still gotten out in the middle of the night and the door was

58:08

open. So

58:10

I know there was probably a lot more that they knew. They

58:12

just didn't. Either they didn't want to scare us because

58:15

we were all kids or

58:17

they just didn't want to talk about it because again, they're

58:19

religious and they don't they don't really talk

58:21

about those kind of things. It wasn't something that we sat

58:23

around at the breakfast table and talked about. It was just, you

58:26

know, hey, be good. The booger is going to get you. But I

58:28

honestly think they knew more than what they let on.

58:30

Wes, I really do.

58:32

Yeah, people out in the country, they'll do that.

58:35

They'll take their table straps and throw them out

58:37

in the woods. And I remember

58:39

as a boy, my grandparents would do that.

58:42

Your grandmother, though, putting it in a pot

58:44

on a stump really makes me wonder

58:48

maybe she was trying to bribe

58:50

whatever was taking the chickens like here's your

58:52

food, come get it.

58:54

That sort of thing. It kind of sounds like gifting.

58:56

I'm sure gifting that term didn't

58:59

exist back then. But it makes me wonder what

59:01

your grandmother was doing. And,

59:04

you know, I really appreciate you taking the time

59:06

to come on and kind of share your

59:08

family history and the encounters

59:10

and then your own personal encounter

59:13

just last year. I really enjoyed

59:15

chatting with you, Scott. Thank you so much

59:18

for taking the time to come on.

59:20

It's been an honor, Wes. I really appreciate

59:23

it. And I've got lots of stories of just

59:25

crazy other weird things that have happened. But,

59:28

you know, I've always wanted to see something

59:31

and I listened to your show and I, you

59:33

know, I always hear you say, careful what you wish

59:35

for. And, you know, honestly,

59:37

you know, seeing what I saw this

59:40

this thing, it's not

59:42

what I expected. You know, I thought I'd

59:44

always be walking in the woods and maybe see a Bigfoot one

59:46

day. Not not this thing, you know, just

59:49

kind of thrown into my life. I didn't I didn't

59:51

expect that at all. I've always been a

59:53

monster fan. But this is it was something

59:56

different. But I really, really appreciate

59:58

you having me on like a set of big.

59:59

fan of the show. Love everything

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that light sign This

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life and the smile you made

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from money and some found

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I make you stay in the middle and

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some are just in the end

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of my life and the smile

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you are the guest of the middle and

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we slip away a little To

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lose other way