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2:00

there, welcome back to Sasquatch

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2:04

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2:06

an amazing weekend. We have an awesome guest

2:08

line up for you, but before we get there, I

2:10

wanna start as I always do. If

2:13

you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot

2:15

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2:17

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2:20

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2:22

and help support the show. I

2:24

got to sit down with W.J. Sheehan

2:27

from Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. W.J.

2:29

is one of these no-nonsense guys that I

2:31

immediately connected with. He's brash, I love that

2:34

about him. He definitely doesn't mince words and

2:36

he always says what's on his mind, which

2:38

when it comes to Bigfoot, there is a

2:40

lot on his mind because he's written a

2:42

total of 11 volumes of Bigfoot

2:44

Terror in the Woods, sightings and encounters,

2:46

and he's working on volume 12 as

2:49

we speak. We get into all kinds of

2:51

things here and he shares some of his

2:53

most compelling stories that he's ever heard. And

2:56

we also talk about, and he shows

2:58

me towards the end of this interview,

3:00

he shows me a military map that

3:02

was given to him by a lifer

3:04

in the military that shows Sasquatch pictured

3:06

and talked about here in the text

3:09

as a dangerous animal for these special operators

3:11

that are going out into this area. It

3:14

was definitely a fascinating twist to this entire

3:16

interview here. And if you'd like to see

3:18

the picture of the map that we refer

3:20

to here in the interview, you can head

3:23

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3:25

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3:28

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3:30

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3:53

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3:55

is on the line and he's ready to go. All

3:57

that's left for you to do is sit back, run.

4:00

Relax and enjoy the show. I

4:21

want to welcome our guest to the show. It

4:23

is WJ Sheehan, author and host of Bigfoot Tear

4:26

in the Woods. Welcome to the show, man. Good

4:28

to be with you, Brian, you and your audience. It

4:31

is good to have you. I've been looking forward to

4:33

this conversation. So let's get right into it. What

4:36

in the world got you interested in Bigfoot to

4:38

begin with? As we were

4:40

just saying, it was really the Patti film

4:42

initially many years ago. I

4:45

just remember seeing it like in the

4:47

late 60s, 70s, whatever it was and

4:49

was like, wow, what the

4:51

heck is that? When at that time

4:54

I was a teenager, things were

4:56

different then. We had a few TV channels

4:58

and things got thrown out there

5:00

here and there. It's not like it

5:02

is today when we're bombarded with visuals

5:04

and audios and this channel and that

5:07

channel. It was way different and I

5:09

saw it and my

5:11

brother reminded me, he's

5:13

seven years younger than me, he

5:15

reminded me of it being

5:17

a trailer in the

5:20

local movie theater. Now, I have to

5:22

say, I never saw that trailer, but

5:24

he did. He had a movie

5:26

house around the corner where you could go for two

5:28

movies on a Saturday for 50 cents. The

5:31

place was filled with cigarettes, smoke. It

5:34

was a different world, but he remembered

5:36

that. So did I. It

5:38

wasn't until much later in my

5:40

life that the spark was rekindled.

5:43

Things happen in life, right? If you asked me when

5:45

you were 20, would you be doing what you're doing

5:47

when you're 40? You'd

5:50

probably say, I don't think so. But

5:52

life has its way of finding

5:56

a way. And if your

5:58

game and Your

6:00

inquisitive will find your way.

6:02

And if you're doing what you love, you'll never

6:04

work a day in your life. I

6:07

do a lot of things, man. I'm

6:09

busier than a one arm wallpaper hanger. I'm

6:12

just getting over COVID. I just tested

6:14

negative for COVID. I thought I was

6:16

going to die five days ago. And

6:19

here I am. You've got to

6:21

keep going. The interviews keep

6:23

coming in. The people I

6:25

meet keep coming in. I

6:28

was telling you earlier before we

6:30

came on the air, very recent

6:33

interview, search and rescue fellow

6:36

had contacted me after he heard me doing

6:38

an interview on coast to coast AM and

6:41

you learn from everybody, Brian, anybody

6:43

who's in this business. If you've got ears and

6:45

eyes and you're listening, you are getting

6:47

educated by the people you talk. I

6:50

have an education on logging that

6:53

I never thought I would ever have. And

6:56

I learned it all from the loggers that I

6:58

talked to and that I have befriended. Getting

7:01

an education from the search and rescue guy

7:04

who's opening up his heart and his life

7:06

to me. He is

7:08

under the belief that Bigfoot is

7:10

taking some of the people they're looking

7:12

for out there. He had

7:15

an experience. Another member of his

7:17

rescue group was attacked

7:19

by one with his young son up

7:21

by Lena Lake, one of the Lena

7:23

Lake, about 4,000 foot elevation out

7:26

in the Olympic peninsula. He

7:28

comes out of the gate telling me

7:30

about an account he had heard about.

7:33

He said there was a logging

7:35

company coming into the South end

7:37

of the Olympic area. And

7:40

they had sent in a couple of surveyors.

7:43

Their job was to lay out where the

7:45

road was going to be constructed that they

7:47

would need to access the timber. When

7:50

they got in there, they found a

7:52

yurt. Do you know what a yurt is? Okay.

7:55

So for those who are not knowledgeable

7:57

of it, there are different types

7:59

of yurt. all over the globe. It's usually

8:02

some type of upright framed

8:04

little structure. In some places

8:07

they use straw for the roof. In

8:10

this case they came into

8:12

a yurt that was big enough for a

8:14

dozen grown men to stand up inside. And

8:17

the structure was made out of limbs

8:19

and boughs that had been torn off,

8:21

not cut off. No

8:24

evidence of saws, axes,

8:26

or wood chips in the area.

8:29

And around this yurt would torn

8:31

up deer carcasses. These

8:33

guys were so freaked out that

8:36

they left the area, contacted the boss, he

8:38

was ticked off at them, but

8:40

he went back in himself to see.

8:43

When he went in there, he

8:45

declared the area a no-go

8:47

zone. They dumped a

8:49

truckload of boulders by the entrance of where

8:51

they were going to build the road and

8:54

put up a steel gate with a sign

8:56

on it. This area has

8:58

not been logged to this day. Now

9:01

I ran this by a good

9:03

friend of mine, Rich Lloyd, up

9:05

in Washington. Fourth-generation

9:07

logger. I said, Rich, what

9:09

are you making this story this guy just told me? I

9:12

told him the time frame and whatnot and

9:14

he said to me, Bill, I heard that

9:16

story almost 20 years ago. And

9:19

he said, you know what? I

9:21

believe it's true. And I said,

9:23

who are the people you heard it from? Were

9:26

they reliable? He said, oh yeah, yeah,

9:28

these were some good loggers that I knew

9:30

down that way and they had passed

9:32

it on to me. And I said

9:34

to myself, game shot

9:37

match. I just met

9:39

this guy. I know Rich Lloyd

9:41

and he is a no-nonsense,

9:44

no bullshit individual. And when he

9:46

says to me good, I say,

9:49

all right, it's like a handshake. I understand.

9:51

I got it. Thank you very much. So

9:54

you see, what people don't

9:56

know about a person like me or perhaps

9:58

you, they don't know. When I'm

10:01

interviewing you, I might be testing the waters

10:03

with a few of my own bag of

10:05

tricks just to see if you're

10:07

a BS in me, if you

10:09

are who you say you are. And I'm

10:12

not trying to be tricky or sneaky, but

10:15

it's just my nature. I'm

10:17

not just going to accept anything. You

10:20

mentioned something about that guy's story,

10:22

about him believing that these

10:24

things might be responsible for taking some of the people

10:26

that go missing and that they're out there looking for.

10:29

That's clearly something that David Pilates has went down

10:31

the road on with his missing 411. There's

10:34

tons of people. Wayne and I just did a

10:36

podcast about it over on our other show, That

10:38

Bigfoot Podcast. Yesterday, we recorded it.

10:40

As we record this, it'll be out tomorrow

10:42

talking about some of these dog man attacks

10:44

and other things across the country that

10:47

are killing these people and taking people. I

10:49

am NOT one of these people that believes

10:51

that every Sasquatch is out there that's bloodthirsty and

10:54

it wants to tear people apart, but if

10:56

these things are animals like I believe they are, I

10:59

believe there's some sort of a giant ape, they

11:01

can get pissed off just like people. There

11:03

can be bad apples and bad actors. So

11:06

I have always believed that at least on some

11:08

level, if these people are disappearing

11:10

way out in the middle of freaking

11:13

nowhere in the back bush, there's

11:15

got to be an explanation. It's either a big

11:17

cat taking them, it's a bear, it's something bigger

11:19

than them and badder than them that's taking them.

11:21

And Sasquatch is

11:23

definitely one of those things in the woods. Let's talk

11:25

a little bit about that, what he might have told

11:27

you and what you believe about that. Do you believe

11:30

that's the case that they are responsible for some of

11:32

these folks that go missing in the woods? There's

11:35

absolutely no doubt in my mind. The simplicity

11:38

of my logic is

11:41

this. If you run into

11:43

a dog walking around out

11:45

in the street, well wherever,

11:47

in your neighborhood, you're approaching

11:49

that dog walking or on your

11:51

bicycle, you don't know what

11:54

that dog's gonna do. When

11:56

I was a paperboy, the dogs used to come out,

11:58

some of them would wag their teeth. They knew

12:00

I would pet them. And then there

12:02

was a couple of dogs. It didn't matter

12:04

what day of the week it was. They

12:06

were gonna try to rip you a new

12:08

ass when they could. I said

12:11

to myself, you

12:13

have no idea the

12:15

disposition of this

12:18

animal out in the woods and

12:20

how it feels at any given

12:22

moment about you or anybody

12:24

else. And you're a

12:26

fool if you take a stand that,

12:29

oh, they're harmless woodland creatures. What are you

12:31

based that on? Just because you like the

12:33

way they look or you feel good about

12:35

them? That's nonsense. Stay

12:38

away. Carry a freaking

12:40

bazooka if you can. You

12:43

got to be kidding me. I have

12:45

a freaking samurai sword laying next to

12:47

my bed over here. You

12:49

come into my house, you'll get

12:51

in the business end of that sword if

12:53

I didn't invite you. I'm gonna

12:56

approach an animal in the woods the same

12:58

way. I want a shotgun. I

13:01

want a large boar pistol and I

13:03

want a big freaking knife. And

13:05

I'm gonna give you all of them if you

13:07

ask me for it. I just put

13:10

an account in my volume 12, which

13:12

I'm working on right now. This

13:15

fellow was a mountain biker in Colorado.

13:18

Now we have mountain bikers around me,

13:20

but these guys are riding on relatively

13:23

flat trails through the Pine Barrens. This

13:26

cat is going up on

13:28

hills cliffs, jumping off rocks. These

13:31

guys are really at it mountain

13:34

bike. He says he's

13:36

coming down one of the trails one

13:38

day solo and he

13:40

finds a helmet. Stops picks

13:43

the helmet up inside was dried blood.

13:46

No harm. No foul. He figures

13:48

some dude crashed, busted

13:50

his freaking head, left the

13:52

helmet there, got out of there, and that was the

13:54

end of it. Not so fast. A

13:57

little bit of time goes by. He finds a

13:59

biker. And the

14:01

bicycle was damaged, but

14:04

he said this was an expensive

14:06

bike, thousands of dollars. The

14:08

chain was all rusted. It had evidently been

14:10

left out there for quite a while. And

14:13

he said, it doesn't make sense.

14:17

Even if you crashed out, would

14:20

you not somehow, some way

14:22

have a friend or

14:24

a fellow rider or somebody

14:27

go back and get this bike that's

14:29

worth two or three grand? I

14:31

would, and he's saying I would too.

14:34

So now fares forward. He's

14:36

in the similar area, and

14:38

he wears the same helmet on

14:41

his mountain bike that he wears when he's riding

14:43

on the road bike. So

14:45

you've seen him, one of those

14:47

helmets with the little dental mirror hanging out of the

14:49

side so that you can see the cars coming up

14:51

behind him. He's riding down

14:53

the trail, and he

14:56

catches a glimpse in this one-inch-wide

14:58

mirror of a

15:01

Sasquatch stepping out behind him on

15:03

the trail as he's rolling along.

15:06

And that was all he needed to see on

15:09

the pedals, overdrive, if I die,

15:11

but I'm not dying for lack

15:13

of pride. Nothing

15:15

happened. But he saw this thing,

15:18

and it was coming up behind him. So

15:21

what do you say about that? This

15:23

thing was observing him. These creatures

15:25

are looking. They see. They're stalking.

15:28

They're hungry. What if

15:31

these creatures have some type of

15:33

abnormal animal mental illness? What if

15:35

they're just not normal, aside

15:37

from just being a wild creature? Animals

15:40

fight amongst themselves, just

15:43

over territory to the death. So

15:45

who's to say what one of these things would

15:47

do to you or I if we caught them

15:50

on a certain day in a certain location at

15:52

a certain time of the year? There

15:55

is absolutely no way of

15:58

predisposing. What will

16:00

happen? It's an impossibility. I

16:03

saw you on with Doug and Alex, I think

16:05

it was last year. I just interviewed Adam Colt,

16:08

that show has not aired over here, but Adam

16:10

was literally out on a 30-day camp out when you

16:13

guys were talking to him and he was broadcasting live

16:15

into the show that you did with Doug and Alex.

16:17

And there was another guy, I believe it was Minnesota

16:20

Bigfoot. He was a big hulking dude with big arms.

16:22

He looked like he'd never missed a day in the

16:24

gym. One of the things that really

16:26

made me fall in love with you immediately was the way

16:28

you talked to this guy, you were like, do

16:30

you have a gun dude? You have bear

16:32

spray and a knife and you're in the middle of the

16:34

freaking nowhere for 30 days. That

16:37

shit is dumb dude. And I love Adam,

16:39

he's a great guy. He did survive, ladies

16:41

and gentlemen. He didn't make it out.

16:45

The other guy that spoke up, and I'm sorry,

16:47

I don't remember his name, but it was Minnesota

16:49

Bigfoot, some organization he was with. He said, I

16:51

don't take a gun out with me, but I

16:53

believe if you go out into the woods and

16:55

you put out positive energy and you let these

16:57

things know that you're not there to harm them,

16:59

and I think you're going to get that in

17:01

return. I just remember looking at that episode and

17:03

listening to what it was saying, and he's not

17:05

the only person I've ever talked to that

17:07

takes that stance. I'm thinking, dude, there's bear

17:09

on my property here in North Carolina. I

17:12

go out with a gun because

17:14

we've ran into a sow and two cubs on the

17:16

property about three years ago. I

17:18

don't think any positive affirmations or positive energy

17:21

I could have put out towards her would

17:23

have stopped her from killing me if she had wanted to.

17:26

I don't think it's the same thing with Bigfoot. I

17:29

hear that from a lot of people. They think they're

17:31

friendly forest giants. Oh, if you put

17:33

that out there and you get good energy, sure,

17:36

dogs can pick up on good energy. People

17:38

can pick up on energy. These things pick up on

17:41

energy as well, I'm sure, but I

17:43

don't think you're going in with a positive attitude

17:45

and just tell them, hey, big guy, I'm just

17:47

here to observe, it's not going to work if they

17:49

want to tear you from limb to limb. It's just my personal

17:51

opinion about it. Yeah, now, back

17:53

in the 60s, 70s, we used to

17:55

say, I got a good vibe. You

17:59

went to a party. you were introduced

18:01

to some girl, you'd say,

18:03

I get a good vibe from that

18:06

chick. And the same token, there were

18:08

times when you said, I don't

18:11

think so. You didn't even have

18:13

to say anything to anybody, but even

18:15

if you kept it to yourself, you

18:18

knew what you felt. And

18:20

I make the stand that

18:23

in today's modern days and

18:25

times, particularly in more suburban

18:28

or urban settings, people

18:30

are so disconnected from

18:33

that God-given inner

18:36

sense of

18:38

knowing when it's

18:40

time to arm. Load

18:43

your musket, brother, because

18:45

something's freaking coming. We

18:48

could go forward from that and

18:50

just say to myself, if you think

18:52

something is wrong, it probably

18:56

is. You don't need to wait to prove

18:58

it out. Get out of

19:00

there. Get out of

19:02

the freaking woods immediately. Retreat.

19:06

He who fights and runs away lives to

19:08

fight another day. I definitely

19:10

agree. I know you've documented tons of stories. People

19:12

have shared their experiences with you. Are there any

19:15

that stick out? And I know this is a

19:17

tough question. I'm 400 plus episodes in on my

19:19

show. So people ask me this and

19:21

put me on the spot and I can't ever

19:23

think of one story that sticks out. But are

19:26

there some that were maybe more aggressive or violent

19:28

encounters that people have shared with you that you

19:30

can share with the audience? There's

19:33

so many. Like for instance, when I was

19:35

on Coast to Coast a month ago, I

19:37

shared the Mount Rose night rail

19:39

encounter, which is what I named

19:42

this, simply because these

19:44

two guys regularly hike together. They

19:46

have hiked Mount Rose numerous

19:48

times together. And their gig

19:50

was getting up to altitude in the middle

19:53

of the night on a nice night and

19:56

just crashing under the stars for an hour

19:58

and looking at the sky and to see.

20:00

scenery in the distance and stuff in the middle of

20:02

the night. People just do

20:04

what they're going to do, you know? They

20:06

were coming back down. This

20:09

trail had a lot of

20:11

switchbacks. Some places you

20:13

had to climb hand and foot. This is

20:16

not necessarily an easygoing hike.

20:19

When they were coming back, the

20:21

mountainside fell away where there

20:23

were trees and dirt visible

20:25

even in the moonlight. They

20:28

saw something go by between some

20:30

of these trees. One

20:33

had said to the other, now

20:35

they start hearing gravel falling away.

20:39

They're like, someone's freaking down there, man. This

20:41

thing is flanking us or hanging around out

20:43

there. A short while later, they found out

20:45

what it was because they

20:47

came into a straight run on the trail

20:49

that was about 150 feet long. Something

20:53

in front of them was red eyes,

20:56

by the way, that he

20:58

said were about 10 feet from

21:00

the ground surface was

21:02

this silhouette right in

21:04

the trail looking at them where they

21:07

want to walk. The

21:09

one was ahead of the other one

21:11

walking single file. They had

21:13

ski poles that they used

21:15

as walking sticks. The guy

21:17

up front didn't know the dude in the

21:20

back had just picked up a rock and

21:22

threw it at this thing. It

21:24

took about two seconds for

21:26

this thing to let out a

21:29

freaking screaming roar and

21:32

they turned and started going back

21:34

up the trail in unison. That

21:37

lasted about five seconds

21:40

and the guy who was now in the rear who

21:42

didn't know the guy behind him threw the rock screamed.

21:46

When he turned around, his body was

21:48

laying on his back on the ground

21:51

with his backpack, the aluminum frame,

21:53

the whole nine yards on the

21:55

ground and this thing was

21:57

howling over him. Dead

22:00

meat you know what i mean you already knocked him

22:02

on the ground he took his

22:05

ski pole and Flung

22:07

it at this thing over

22:09

his body just like a whirligig

22:12

It was the only thing he could think of to do he

22:15

believes the pointy end of the ski

22:17

pole speared this thing right in or

22:19

around its eye Because

22:21

it put both hands up to the face Was

22:24

like screaming and groaning and actually lost

22:26

its balance and fell off the side

22:28

of the trail So

22:30

he ran over to his friend Tried

22:33

to pick him up. He thought his

22:36

arm was broken. It turned out his

22:38

clavicle was broken and he said man You've

22:40

got to get up This freaking

22:42

thing will kill us So

22:44

we helped him to his feet they got off the trail

22:47

But that was an actual attack and

22:50

they could hear this thing screaming when

22:52

they made their way down off of

22:54

mountain rose The whole time why

22:57

did this thing flank them? Why

22:59

was it blocking their way?

23:02

What was the intention of this thing? You

23:05

have to say I don't think you'd want to

23:07

dab a little party with them on the mountainside

23:10

Nothing makes sense about that other than it

23:13

wanted to Either

23:15

I hate to say interact

23:17

with them You don't know

23:19

but what we do know is when the guy hit it with

23:22

a rock it was game on Do

23:24

me this favor. I wanted to hear this

23:26

entire story You told a little bit about

23:28

Kelly story from Oregon. Do you mind regaling

23:30

us with Kelly story? He had

23:32

a pretty intense Experience. I think he was

23:34

attacked in the trailer or something. I heard

23:36

you say would you mind recounting

23:38

that story for us? What

23:40

happened with Kelly was now? Here's

23:44

how things are interconnected. I

23:46

learned of Kelly through my friend

23:48

Dave Dave is a

23:50

logger Kelly is alignment,

23:53

but they know each other their buddies in

23:55

Oregon. They're very handy guys.

23:57

They build their own houses aside being

24:00

a logger, Dave builds his own boats.

24:02

These guys are freaking incredible. So

24:04

Dave turns me on to Kelly. Mind you,

24:07

Dave has had several

24:09

encounters solo and with his

24:11

logging crew, all

24:14

around the Salmonberry Canyon in

24:17

Oregon, logging in that area

24:19

for decades. He

24:21

turned me on to Kelly, who

24:24

was his friend, who was the first

24:27

to have an encounter in

24:29

like the mid 1980s in

24:32

the Salmonberry Canyon. Now, when

24:35

you talk about people who were out of touch with

24:37

what other people do around the country, Kelly

24:39

and somebody he knew in

24:42

the late summer and fall of the

24:44

year were going into this location

24:46

to harvest

24:49

Christmas tree boughs for

24:51

use during the holiday season. They

24:54

were weighing on this logging road to

24:56

be in the area they wanted to

24:58

be. And Kelly had brought his trailer

25:00

in there. The other guy

25:02

who was with him was

25:04

going in and out on the weekends. Kelly

25:06

said he never went out unless he needed

25:08

supplies or just wanted to take a

25:10

good shower. They were

25:13

bundling boughs into

25:15

400 pound bales and

25:17

having them helicopter out of there.

25:21

You want to talk about an ingenious

25:23

way to make a buck? Who the

25:25

heck does that? But that's what

25:27

Dave were doing. So Kelly

25:30

had a dog. The dog

25:32

used to sit really close to the trunk

25:34

of the trees when he was upping them

25:36

cutting. He was smart enough

25:38

to know how to stay out of the drop zone

25:40

when the branches were coming down. And

25:43

Kelly said this dog started to act

25:45

very funny after a

25:47

while. And he took note of it. He could

25:49

get used to your pet. It's just him

25:51

and her out there. The other guy, even when

25:53

he was there, they weren't next to each other.

25:55

They were working different areas. So

25:57

he's got this trailer. He said there was a.

26:00

watering hole there, what did they call it?

26:02

Like a fire pond? Something

26:04

like that. They deliberately put

26:07

this pond there in case there was

26:09

a forest fire, there was a little

26:11

reserve in there that the fire

26:13

guys knew about. He was

26:15

in his trailer and this

26:17

thing started coming around

26:20

the trailer, scratching

26:22

it, pounding on it. It

26:24

freaked him out so bad that he

26:26

hit the floor in the trailer. He

26:29

had spent the past weekend at his house and

26:31

left his .357 on the table after cleaning

26:35

it. So he's in the

26:37

trailer, his dog was

26:39

left home, his gun

26:41

is at his house and he's sitting

26:43

there with this little freaking pig sticker

26:46

with something bashing the side of his

26:48

trailer that he's in. After

26:51

a period of time he made a bus bird

26:53

out of the door and

26:55

ran for his truck. He

26:57

went out, he drove around a little

26:59

bit, he spent the night

27:01

sleeping in the truck down the road a

27:03

couple of miles and came back in the

27:05

morning. He found a

27:07

trail going up through the

27:09

grass in this field that his trailer was

27:12

in, going around the trailer,

27:14

the matted down grass and whatnot,

27:16

and then up and away from it. That

27:19

was his encounter. He didn't

27:21

see anything and he was

27:23

left with saying what the hell was that?

27:26

This isn't a bear, it wasn't

27:28

a cougar, so that was

27:31

the beginning. Now Dave, later

27:33

in the Salmonberry, he's

27:35

driving his log truck in the middle of the

27:37

night, 25 mile road in

27:41

and out of this logging section. I've

27:43

seen pictures of it, I've seen

27:46

pictures of trucks that flipped off the side.

27:48

You can't believe what these guys take on

27:50

doing this work. He pulls

27:52

off to this old siding to

27:54

take a dump in the woods. He

27:57

gets out of his truck, he goes down into this

28:00

hollow. And while he's

28:02

squatting down in the middle of his

28:04

business, he's looking at

28:06

a beam of sunlight coming through the

28:08

canopy that's illuminating what he thinks is

28:10

a stump. All of a sudden

28:12

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30:26

he's in the middle of his business

30:29

watching this happen very close

30:31

to him. This thing stood

30:33

up, walked his way up

30:35

the other side of this hollow and was

30:37

gone. Fast forward weeks

30:40

later and I won't tell you the whole story because

30:42

we can spend 20 minutes just talking about it. He's

30:45

coming down the road in the middle of the night. And

30:48

his headlights are passing through the trees as

30:50

he's moving around these turns on this road.

30:53

The headlights hit this black and gray.

30:56

He said it was the biggest

30:58

silverback gorilla I had ever

31:00

seen in my life. And

31:02

it was frozen, hands against

31:04

a tree trunk, like it knew it had been

31:06

hit by the lights and just stayed still. He

31:09

knew what he saw. And

31:11

it was weeks later that

31:13

the same creature or a similar

31:15

creature, black and silver or

31:17

black and gray, appeared

31:20

on the work site and

31:22

everybody on the logging crew saw

31:24

it. So Dave had

31:27

never mentioned anything to his coworkers about

31:29

the thing where he was taking

31:31

care of business or having seen this thing

31:34

in the headlights. But

31:36

now all of them

31:39

had seen it. Now these

31:41

dudes, they periodically, I want

31:44

to say regularly, but regularly, I'm not

31:46

leading to believe this is every week.

31:49

They regularly find

31:51

tracks around their

31:53

work areas in Oregon.

31:56

I've seen pictures of tracks measured out.

31:59

I have no... reason to disbelieve these guys

32:01

whatsoever. And they're just one or two

32:05

individuals out of hundreds. Again,

32:08

I have no reason to distrust them,

32:10

to disbelieve.

32:13

They could easily say to

32:15

me, hey, Bill, you're full of crap. I've

32:18

had angelic encounters, UFO

32:20

encounters. I know what

32:22

happened to me. It doesn't matter to me

32:24

at all if you believe

32:27

me or think I'm a complete

32:29

nutcase. Either way is okay

32:31

with me, and I just live with it. I

32:34

stand my ground in that if

32:36

I say Brian is full of crap,

32:39

then Brian can just say, you're full of crap,

32:42

and we just go back and forth in this fitting

32:44

match with no end in

32:46

sight. I look for that trust,

32:49

that inner feeling that this guy is

32:51

on the level, and sometimes

32:53

I can prove it out. It's

32:56

like the biblical narrative in the mouth

32:58

of two or three witnesses, let every

33:00

accusation be established. Two witnesses

33:02

is really good in my book. I'll take

33:04

the word of a witness, but when I

33:06

get two people climbing on the bandwagon that

33:08

don't know each other, like that thing about

33:10

the story of the loggers declaring

33:13

that place a no go zone after

33:15

finding that yurt and dismembered animals, I'm

33:18

pretty good with that. I don't need anything

33:20

else. Let's talk a little bit

33:22

about the opposite of that, because that's one

33:24

of the things I think everybody like you

33:26

and I who do shows and write books

33:28

and document these kind of encounters, you

33:31

run across those stories that

33:33

are just so far

33:36

out there, it's very difficult

33:38

to believe. Just a couple of quick examples. I

33:40

had a guy on months and months ago who

33:43

claimed that back when he was in his late

33:45

teens, early twenties on the camping trip with some

33:47

Boy Scouts, he had sex with a female Sasquatch.

33:50

Wayne and I have talked about this story

33:52

about this lady who was

33:54

raped in the woods by a Sasquatch, is what she's

33:57

claiming, and had Sasquatch's baby. those

34:00

really out there stories, they

34:02

are people's experiences and I've said it all the time.

34:05

I don't judge people for their experiences on the

34:07

show. That's the premise of the show. Your

34:10

experiences are your experiences. This

34:12

is the judgment-free zone. For

34:14

you documenting some of these stories, hey, have

34:16

you heard some of those really out there

34:18

stories? How do you deal with those and

34:21

suss those out? When you're taking those stories,

34:23

how do you suss that out as an

34:25

investigator and someone documenting it, how

34:27

do you feel about some of the more out there stories that

34:29

you had people tell you in the past? I'll

34:31

tell you straight up, man. This guy that says

34:34

he had sex with a female Sasquatch, that

34:36

boy ain't right. Number

34:38

two, I have a fellow up

34:40

in Alberta who has been

34:43

hunt on the trail with Sasquatch for

34:45

years and I talk to him on

34:47

a somewhat regular basis. He's

34:49

in touch with a lot of indigenous people

34:51

up there that know what he's doing and

34:53

people feed him with information. He

34:56

did have one incident where

34:59

some of the local people caught

35:02

a Sasquatch who had grabbed this

35:04

girl and took her off the

35:06

side of the road into the

35:08

woods. After the fact,

35:10

she said this thing was like fondling

35:12

her and snipping her hair and stuff.

35:15

Some other people saw what had happened

35:19

and stood up and shooed this thing

35:21

off. Now Weasel, which

35:24

is how I know this guy, Weasel

35:26

said to me, it's

35:28

his opinion that when it's

35:30

that time of the month, just

35:33

like with deer, bucks will come

35:35

after a female that isn't he,

35:37

a human female. He believes that

35:40

they are enticed by that same

35:42

thing and that you

35:45

need to keep an eye on

35:47

yourself and be aware of that when

35:50

you're entering into the woods and

35:53

you're inexperienced and naive about

35:56

how things in nature may work

35:58

for Or against them. Ill. So.

36:01

I'm not opening shot on that. A

36:04

weasel boldly what he told me. I'm

36:06

like yeah to do with a grain of salt. Foot.

36:09

Weasel has sent me some

36:11

incredible photographs. He. Said be

36:13

a picture of of dialogue dong one

36:15

day. That he said

36:18

was from a sasquatch. Now.

36:21

I'm. At tell you something about Weasel. And.

36:23

A lot of people are gonna what. Listen to

36:25

this. Weasel steaks out

36:27

a couple adopts. I'm

36:30

talking garbage dumps. And.

36:32

Did the dump sites are above fifty miles

36:34

of put up and times. He

36:36

said sub trees stands and

36:39

spends over nice watching the

36:41

dots. And. He says a lot

36:43

of bears come into the dumps. Rummaging

36:46

around. He. Has says

36:48

squats coming into the. He.

36:50

Took a picture just pile of food.

36:53

And inside the pile of pool

36:55

was a long strand of red

36:58

plastic beads. And he said

37:00

to me. And. I'm gonna mimic him

37:02

to make you laugh a little bit. He.

37:05

Says read. It as

37:07

dumb as. He. Says he's

37:09

eaten berries, their blasted fades.

37:12

On I'm laughing with him, but he's right. This

37:15

animal if it was from a

37:17

sasquatch. Is rummaging through

37:19

this garbage sky? Maybe

37:21

he thinks she's looking at. Verizon,

37:24

Cherries? I don't know any Forty Second

37:26

isn't as would. Never tell

37:28

you this. List. Saturday for

37:30

a second. After he

37:33

had cited, discreet are taking a dump.

37:35

Dave ran across the file a

37:38

dung. In. The middle of this

37:40

road that only once rock could pierce

37:42

as a time. And he had

37:44

been off the side of the road

37:46

on radio allowing this pic of prop

37:48

the come through before he was. Of.

37:51

Wasn't even ten minutes time between

37:53

the two of them. Sharing

37:55

the same road, He. Sees

37:58

Something is one of his shots of looks that. big

38:00

boulder and he's thinking maybe it fell off the

38:02

cliff face and he stopped. It

38:04

was a mammoth-sized pile

38:06

of dung right

38:08

in the tire track that the

38:10

pickup truck had just left going

38:13

through before him. In

38:15

the pile of dung was

38:17

a full-size rock that

38:20

hadn't even been digested,

38:22

that had been expelled

38:24

from whatever dropped this load

38:26

off if he got my drift. There

38:29

are weird things going on out and

38:32

I guess say, Dave is no man's fool and

38:35

I don't take Weasel to be a fool either.

38:37

He's a guide. He sent

38:39

me pictures of him guiding some very

38:41

well-known people where he's in the group and

38:43

they're in the cabin. He

38:46

knows what he's doing. He may

38:48

seem a little odd to some people especially when

38:50

he says you can call me Weasel. I

38:52

don't know of anybody. I want anybody to

38:54

call me Weasel but this

38:56

is the life he leads and

38:58

he's convinced that he's gonna find

39:01

skeletal remains of a Bigfoot and set

39:04

the world on foot. But that's the

39:06

Weasel. It keeps

39:08

things interesting and occasionally

39:10

we talk and who knows what this

39:12

guy's gonna come up with. But it's

39:15

also the nature of this

39:17

business. There's a lot of

39:19

weirdness going on in here and in

39:21

the middle of all

39:23

of this weirdness there was a great

39:26

quote in one of

39:28

the Sherlock Holmes series and

39:31

Watson was questioning Holmes and

39:33

obviously this came

39:35

from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

39:37

not Sherlock Holmes and

39:39

he said, Watson, if

39:41

you have eliminated everything that is

39:44

not true, no matter

39:46

how strange it may seem, whatever

39:49

is left must be the

39:51

truth. And I love that

39:54

because once you've

39:57

grubbed everything that you

39:59

know, know to be

40:01

baloney. Whatever you're left

40:04

with, as bizarre as it

40:06

may seem, must be the

40:08

truth. Because after

40:10

all, this was the result of that. In

40:13

those cases, it was usually a murder,

40:15

right? Sherlock Holmes, a

40:18

robbery, a jewel theft. So you knew

40:20

there was a result. You knew

40:23

there was an end to the game.

40:25

The question was, what was the game

40:27

and who perpetrated? I

40:29

look at Sasquatch in this way. You're

40:31

not reading their minds. You're not

40:33

getting directly into their world. We're

40:35

observers. We're not experts. There are

40:37

no freaking experts. We

40:39

are observers. We are

40:42

sharing information. We're

40:44

talking with people. Let's

40:46

take in my friend Jerry Courtright. Jerry,

40:48

if you're listening to this, God bless you,

40:50

bro, and I'm praying for swift healing for

40:52

you. Jerry's in a bad way

40:54

right now. Jerry was a

40:56

bush pilot. He's in Alaska.

40:59

He used to regularly fly between

41:01

Juneau and Saskatchewan along the Lynn

41:04

Canal or over the Mendenhall Glacier

41:06

on this route. He

41:08

picked up these native people one day,

41:10

which is very common. There's no

41:12

way to get around up there. They wanted

41:14

to fly over the Lynn Canal because they wanted

41:17

to see if there were any orcas in there.

41:19

And Jerry said, I just came from Saskatchewan

41:21

this morning on a mail run and there's

41:23

no orca in the canal. So

41:26

he decided to take them up over

41:28

to Mendenhall and come to Saskatchewan this

41:30

other way. He gets out

41:32

over the glacier with a few

41:34

people in his plane and a baby on the

41:36

one woman's lap. He said he

41:38

was now outside of the habitable

41:41

zone. About 30 miles out,

41:44

even people on snow machines wouldn't

41:46

be out there. And he

41:48

picks up on a crack

41:51

line. Now he's looking. He's not

41:53

saying anything to the people in the plane, but

41:55

they also have to maintain a certain

41:57

altitude out there. Because

42:00

you're already at elevation flying along the

42:02

glacier, which is falling away from a

42:05

mountain slope. The idea being

42:07

if you had an engine failure and

42:09

you were too low to the ground, you

42:11

couldn't even have an opportunity to make it

42:13

to a potentially safe place where you

42:15

could put the bird down. He starts

42:18

to see this track line outside of

42:20

the 30 mile mark, and

42:22

he's following it. He drops

42:24

altitude a little bit, and he's

42:26

realizing that these are linear footprints.

42:29

They look like somebody had laid them

42:31

down with big snowshoes, but nobody's out

42:33

there with snowshoes unless you're going to

42:35

die. He comes up

42:37

on a group of Sasquatch traveling

42:39

along the glacier, and he

42:42

said to me, damn, if I

42:44

didn't have passengers with me this

42:46

one day, I would

42:48

have gone down on them and buzzed them. There's

42:51

a little more to the stories than that, but he

42:54

told me that the governmental

42:56

people and scientific community over there

42:58

that do core samples on the

43:01

glacier and whatnot are aware of

43:03

these things. Some of

43:05

them are of the belief that they are

43:07

actually traveling out of the Canadian side across

43:11

the glacier to go down

43:13

to the Lynn Canal when the salmon run

43:15

is on. This is an opinion, but

43:17

you don't hear any of

43:19

this stuff from anybody

43:23

in mainstream media, on

43:25

the news. This is all

43:28

local stuff that is contained in

43:30

a certain sphere of individuals who

43:33

are in the know or know somebody who

43:35

is in the know. These

43:37

things are happening with regularity in

43:40

many diverse locations with a

43:42

lot of different people that

43:44

we will never hear about.

43:47

I'm going to show you some. I brought

43:49

this today. Can you see this what

43:51

I'm holding here? Yes. This is

43:54

a really big map. If

43:56

I unfold this whole thing, it's three feet

43:59

by five feet. front and back. Can

44:01

you see what it says here? Evasion

44:04

chart, EVC Tringa

44:06

Stash 028, training

44:09

chart, fourth edition, October

44:11

2007. This is

44:13

from the Air

44:16

Force Special Training and Survival

44:18

Grounds in Washington states. This

44:21

was given to me by a lifer in

44:23

the military who had it given to him

44:25

by a Special Forces operative. In

44:28

the corner of this map, which is

44:30

nothing like any map you've ever seen

44:32

in your life, it's

44:34

not a road map, it doesn't

44:36

show you any roads, it doesn't

44:38

mark cities, it's

44:40

strictly used for learning

44:42

how to use a compass,

44:45

celestial navigation, survive off the

44:47

land which is what it's all about. Now

44:50

there are four locations in

44:52

Washington state where they train survival.

44:55

The mountain zone, the desert zone, the

44:58

coastal zone, and there's one

45:00

other area. In the corner of

45:02

this map, I want you to

45:04

look at this. Do you see what

45:06

that says? Dangerous animals.

45:09

Do you see what the first animal on the list is?

45:12

A cougar. Right. Now watch

45:15

this. See the next animal?

45:17

Moose, badger, black

45:20

bear, coyote. Oh,

45:23

and I see a bobcat and a

45:26

sasquatch. Yes,

45:28

sirree. This is

45:30

an official military

45:33

map. I think it's

45:35

made out of kyvac and I

45:37

believe that probably somebody like DuPont

45:40

made this up in the military probably

45:42

in the 60s with their

45:44

use and then it showed up on Bob

45:46

Beal is this old house where

45:49

they were using it as house wrap. You

45:51

could throw this freaking map in your swimming

45:53

pool for 10 years and pull it out.

45:56

The water will not bleed the ink and

45:59

it will not be down. Now

46:01

what the freak is

46:03

a Sasquatch doing on a

46:05

military training map? They

46:08

don't fool around about anything. There

46:11

are no jokes in the military. It's

46:14

a matter of defend, attack, and preserve

46:17

the integrity of life of you and

46:19

your men. You're not goofing

46:21

around with these guys showing them this picture because

46:23

it's not there. You're showing them

46:25

it's there because you want to warn them

46:28

that this thing could kill you. Now

46:30

I know of a guy who was in on one

46:33

of these meetings. Now Brian, you have to

46:35

consider how many people have seen this map

46:37

and how many have you heard about that have seen

46:39

it? Not. What's

46:42

with that? This guy said he was in on one

46:44

of these meetings and when they questioned the scene

46:46

of Sasquatch, what the freak?

46:49

The guy running the meeting said if you

46:52

see one of these things, do not act

46:54

aggressively because the question was raised

46:56

why? They said there have

46:58

been those who have and it didn't end

47:00

well for them. End of story.

47:03

End of story. This

47:05

is just another feather

47:07

in the cat. Paul Sagan

47:10

once said, extraordinary claims require

47:12

extraordinary evidence. And

47:15

I believe that the threshold for

47:17

extraordinary evidence when it comes to

47:19

Sasquatch was crossed and exceeded a

47:22

long time ago. I

47:24

don't need to see anything beyond the paddy

47:26

film which I already told you. But

47:29

beyond that, the things I

47:31

have heard, the photographs I have seen, the

47:33

people I have interviewed, I

47:35

don't need any. I'm not in this business to

47:37

prove anything to you. I don't

47:39

care if you think I'm bat-booky crazy. I

47:42

know what I'm doing when I know my business

47:44

and I know what I'm doing in the hospital

47:46

setting too. I'm an instructor where I work. I

47:49

train people to do what I do and

47:51

I train them in the right way and

47:54

to do things in the right way. That's

47:57

the way I teach them. So I can

47:59

joke with them. the road and say, who the freak

48:01

thought you? And they get it

48:03

like, okay man, I get it. When I catch

48:05

them doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing or

48:08

fudging around with their telephones when they're supposed

48:10

to be observing things and whatnot, which is

48:12

way too common today. Yeah,

48:14

there's so much stuff going on, Brian. It's

48:17

just such incredible diversity that you

48:19

just can't fathom what's coming next. That's what

48:21

keeps me coming back for more, man. I

48:23

feel like we could talk for another two

48:25

hours but I want to be respectful of your

48:27

time. Let's talk about your books. I know

48:29

you mentioned that you were working on volume

48:31

12. Talk about the previous volumes,

48:33

your books, where people can find them and tell us

48:35

a little bit about your podcast and what they can

48:37

expect when they check out Bigfoot Terror in the Woods.

48:40

All right, first of all, my book series

48:42

is called Bigfoot Terror in the Woods Sightings

48:45

and Encounters. There are 11

48:47

volumes out. You can get them all

48:49

on Amazon. All of

48:51

them are in paperback, ebook, and Kindle

48:54

format. Ten of the 11

48:56

are available in the audiobook for people who

48:58

like to listen. In

49:00

the middle of volume 12 right now, guest

49:03

is also Bigfoot Terror in the

49:05

Woods. So the books are Bigfoot

49:07

Terror in the Woods Sightings and Encounters. Guest

49:10

is Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, W.J.

49:12

Sheehan. What we do is,

49:14

first of all, we're not making a nickel

49:16

on this podcast. My brother and I do

49:19

just fine for ourselves, and we'll leave that

49:21

at that. We start off

49:23

the show with a segment that I call

49:25

cryptids in the news and other oddities. Sometimes

49:29

we're talking about creepy

49:31

places, demonic things, cryptids,

49:34

strange things, be they true or not,

49:37

and occasionally Bigfoot. Then

49:39

I enter into 99.99% of the time one of

49:41

the encounters with Bigfoot that I had. And

49:47

then at the end of the show, we do a listener

49:49

mail. We're reading and trying

49:51

to engage in a little

49:53

fun and conversation. And

49:55

listen man, I'm a half a freaking comedian.

49:58

So you don't need to twist my... on to get

50:00

you to put a smile on your face. I'm going to be

50:02

trying to do that from the minute we meet. We

50:05

have some fun with that and then

50:07

boom, the podcast is over. And we do

50:09

one a week. People seem to

50:11

like what we're doing and we're having a

50:13

good time. We're always beating the bushes for

50:17

new people. And I

50:19

always say, if you've seen something, say something.

50:22

And I invite people to

50:24

continually seek me out.

50:27

And it's funny because on the end of the

50:29

podcast, on every show I say, always

50:31

carry more gun than you

50:33

think you're going to need. And

50:36

that's the truth. Whatever it

50:38

takes, you use. Very

50:41

good advice. You guys go over and check it out.

50:44

I will link to the books and I will link

50:46

to the show in the show notes. You guys go

50:48

over and check out my new favorite person in Bigfoot,

50:50

WJ Sheehan. I've had a blast talking to you, man.

50:52

Thank you so much for coming on the show. Awesome,

50:55

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