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1:06

And you're listening to Brian on Sasplat's Odyssey. Hey

1:30

there, welcome back to Sasplat's

1:32

Odyssey. Thank you so much for clicking

1:34

play. It is Wednesday. I hope you're having a great

1:36

week. We have an amazing guest lined

1:38

up for you, but as always, I want to

1:40

start the show by inviting you. If

1:43

you've had an encounter and you'd like to be

1:45

on the show, shoot me an email. You can

1:47

get me at brianatparanamaworldproductions.com. You can head

1:49

over to the website, check it out, become a member

1:51

there, and help support the show. I

1:54

got to sit down and talk to Ben from

1:56

the U.K. who has a YouTube channel called The4015.

2:00

And he had some really interesting information. He

2:03

had some interesting encounters to share with us,

2:05

any scouts and pretty interesting perspectives on Big

2:07

Foot in the Uk and what he thinks

2:09

these things might be over. they are vs

2:11

over here in North America. I think you're

2:14

really going to enjoy this interview advance towards

2:16

the end of this about thirty minutes or

2:18

so and of actually incorporate the little bit

2:20

of a clip. It's about five or six

2:22

minutes. Of what you can expect when

2:24

you go over to Been Seen or it's him

2:26

talking about Big Foot in the Uk and his

2:28

recent experience on another podcast where he was kind

2:31

of being pressured into a corner about saying whether

2:33

these things are flesh and blood or not have

2:35

any you get. I think you're really going to

2:37

enjoy it. Makes your you head over to the

2:39

For a One Files on You Tube subscribed to

2:41

The Channel show. Been Some Love. We're going to

2:43

do some other collaboration here in the future and

2:45

I'm really looking forward to that. I think is

2:47

a really cool gas and I think you're really

2:49

going to enjoy stuff. but enough of that I

2:51

know you guys ready to get into it. Bends

2:53

on the line he's ready to go. All

2:55

the slept for you to do is sit

2:57

back relax. In addition, To

3:18

what what am I guess to the show it has been from

3:20

the For a One Files Welcome to the Show Man. Yeah.

3:23

Things you haven't made something pleasure. I.

3:25

Am so glad to have you. I appreciate your

3:27

patience and know he been trying to put this

3:30

together for months. Now that you're finally here let's

3:32

dig into this thing as talk a little bit

3:34

about what got you interested in Bigfoot Sasquatch and

3:36

all the crazy stuff that you're out there. Jason

3:39

in those woods yes and the made his journey

3:41

sides in the very image and I grew up

3:43

in a house that was very active with all

3:45

guys that have a pretty dismal the adult conversations

3:47

taking place in the house of thing that they

3:50

could next lane and a rig or main dress.

3:52

But. Around and I'll be aged ten years old.

3:55

This was like nineteen Ninety seven. I was a

3:57

member of the Cub Scouts are times. A.

3:59

Week been on. weekend camping trip. The

4:02

camping trip itself was perfect. You also

4:04

had camping trip away for that week.

4:07

And it was on the way back that

4:09

my feet were changed rather because we was

4:11

on a mini bus and was heading home.

4:13

The camp was great, like I said. The cook scout leaned around

4:15

just sort of in the middle of the bus and said, we're

4:17

going to pull over at any minute and

4:19

just do a really quick random understock for anyone

4:21

that needs to jingp up and take a quick

4:24

wee. This would be a great time to do it

4:26

because once we're done here, we're hitting the road again. I remember

4:28

I was sat at the back of the bus, me

4:30

and my friend at the time, and we decided to

4:32

jingp off. We stood at the side

4:34

of this road. It was quite a busy road. And where

4:37

we were standing right in front of us was

4:39

small grass embankment being 10 years old

4:41

that I didn't really want to stand shoulder to

4:43

shoulder with my printer in a tee. I was

4:46

a bit of a shy kid. So I decided

4:48

to go up this embankment. While I was standing

4:50

at the top of this embankment, I could now

4:52

see clearly through this wooded area. I

4:55

remember seeing what I thought was like

4:57

a little outbuilding, a little outhouse made

4:59

of bricks. But it hadn't

5:01

been used for a while. I was clearly obvious those bricks

5:03

missing, those ironing growing all over this thing. I remember

5:05

thinking, I look really weird. Where is the rest

5:07

of this building? Why won't there just be a

5:09

little tool shed almost in the middle of this

5:11

wood? So I started

5:13

to look around in this wood. Obviously, still standing

5:15

there just moving my head, scanning through

5:18

the woods, and I saw something move. Over

5:21

to my left, I saw this green

5:23

creature. This thing was tall, it was

5:25

about six feet tall, over six feet.

5:28

But it walked with a spin. Now

5:30

I can't tell you that it was just so long and

5:32

dangly after we were scared it was after we walked. Or

5:35

if this thing was actually trying to keep a low profile. But

5:37

it looked at me, I looked at

5:40

this thing, and it must have only been a few seconds,

5:42

but it didn't feel right. Even as

5:44

a small 10-year-old child, even back then,

5:46

it was something I'd never seen before.

5:49

But my initial reaction to this experience

5:51

was that this must be a prank. They're

5:54

trying to trick me, they're trying to make me

5:56

believe how we got you, could you fall for

5:58

it? Anything. Nine Undecided

6:00

I would do bit reverse psychology.

6:03

I thought it had you gone wallace time. a

6:05

net of trying to make me. I'll.

6:07

Begin the never saw it. But. You're back

6:10

on the books and I way to someone

6:12

say. As always, gauge you got

6:14

you and you scared. Nobody

6:16

does. Nobody. Ever spoke

6:18

about based tall green creed you often

6:20

to the was. A way to

6:22

in when nobody said anything. And. Then

6:25

convince myself that okay maybe not bombs in on

6:27

this. Or weeks liberal salt and

6:29

them a be New York and maybe she'll say something.

6:32

Policies on the computer it so I'm not sure

6:34

why. That. Would have made sense book.

6:37

When. She never mentioned anything. He.

6:39

Blew my mind a little bit. The weird thing about

6:41

the story. Is bad. For.

6:43

Years and knees up to this of then. A

6:45

complete he was erased from Amen we like. I never

6:48

thought about this. And. Every told the story

6:50

was just like it never happens. And.

6:52

Then in my late twenties, early

6:54

thirties, Just. Out were.

6:57

Like. Any other their. Base Memory

6:59

just hit me like a bomb. Users be made

7:01

as any member that ever had growing up. And.

7:04

I remembered everything. I remember the weight of this creature

7:06

looked at me. I remember the way they want to

7:08

the woods. How. Silly that there

7:10

was. I remember how we it it's

7:13

feet long as it bros can see

7:15

the light flowers were spraying of these

7:17

are is largely it was a very

7:19

vivid memory Guy has. Of. This

7:21

thing. look at me and what is it was. Can.

7:24

You go into detail about the way this thing

7:26

moods can you talk about the details of are

7:28

we talking like a Sasquatch sorta creature? We talked

7:30

about Something else here does give us a little

7:33

bit more detail as far as what you saw.

7:35

Yes or. I'll I'll I'll

7:37

explain to his wealth. I transitioned from this to

7:40

see the pick a side of things with. This.

7:43

Creature. When I first went when his memory says

7:45

came back to the. Obvious. I didn't

7:47

know what happens on as side with with

7:49

white sauce right side in in. Green

7:51

man are green creature and events

7:53

that came across what looked like

7:55

a reptilian. I've been. Not. Listening

7:58

for scales. people

8:00

probably imagine. It was just

8:02

a really green dark olive skin

8:05

swimming with very small heads, black

8:07

eyes and the head was way out

8:09

of proportion to the rest of his body. It's a

8:11

very small head. One thing that

8:14

always stuck with me from that day is why did

8:16

this creature that saw me, why

8:18

did it not freak out? As a

8:20

young child growing up in Bankeman, that box you'd

8:22

taken by surprise, didn't expect the

8:24

bust of blood where we did. Why

8:26

did it not freak out? It was so

8:29

calm, it was so collected, it almost knew.

8:32

The impression I got is that it almost knew

8:34

I wouldn't be off screaming. Now, I don't

8:36

know how it would know that. But the

8:38

minute we locked eyes and made eye contact, he just

8:40

put his head back down and carried on walking in

8:43

the same direction. And yeah, I've always found that very

8:45

strange. But the reason I now

8:47

get out into these hotspots here in

8:49

the UK and investigate strange phenomena like

8:51

critiqued in the UK wild man, UFOs

8:53

and things like that is because during

8:56

my research and trying to find out maybe

8:59

what the hell this was I saw, I

9:01

found that a lot of people here in

9:03

the UK are seeing what

9:05

would essentially be the UK version of a

9:07

Bigfoot. To me, that just didn't make sense.

9:09

We live on an island, a lot

9:12

of the landscape here, a lot of geography

9:14

here has been explored many times. We've had

9:16

the Vikings live here, the Romans, the Tumdas,

9:18

the Normans. There's not an area

9:20

of land really here. So you

9:23

can step on that as I'm being stepped on a thousand

9:26

times to accept the idea that

9:28

Bigfoot was living here, it didn't sit right

9:30

with me. And then when

9:32

I started speaking more to abductees and

9:34

people that had extra-trescueling cancers, some

9:37

of these creatures wasn't just gray creatures.

9:39

There wasn't green, like the

9:41

stereotypical aliens that we see. Some of them did

9:43

have fur, some of them were tall, some

9:45

of them did look like Chewbacca. And there

9:48

was a whole range of extra-trescuels that had

9:50

been seen on these crafts from people

9:52

I was talking to. And that really

9:54

is what bridged the gap. And I started to think,

9:57

how do we know what Kind of

9:59

extra-trescuels are. The games on it we

10:01

always assume that they're little gray creatures will.

10:04

Fade. To black rapper on guys. Who.

10:06

They could come in a whole range

10:08

of appearance. It may be. League.

10:11

Creature that people have been seen. him uganda

10:13

resemble a big for us as was. maybe

10:15

not. Maybe tonight. it's rational, some kind. Honeybees,

10:18

Inter dimensional I'm in his of art

10:20

Omaha steaks with. Where. It can just

10:22

slip in. And now our exists. I

10:25

don't think they situate a family. I don't think that

10:27

they were non the schools. I.

10:29

Do think that the reason though the Romans v

10:31

things. It's definitely an interesting take

10:33

on it because. I've. Talked to

10:36

so many people that have said

10:38

there's no way these things could

10:40

exist as a biological species. As.

10:42

A flesh and blood creature in the Uk.

10:44

I've also talk to people who have had

10:47

very flesh and blood. Like encounters

10:49

with these. Thanks Daniel Born it comes

10:51

to mind. Daniels a young researcher

10:53

of in the Uk who found some

10:56

footprints that looked very much sasquatch like.

10:59

If. You're comparing it to what we see of here

11:01

North America. And sent off the eating

11:03

in A and he came back. Old world monkey

11:05

and some other weird sort of dna. So.

11:08

That's a very physical things. I've always

11:10

straddled that line of I believe that

11:12

at least a North American Sasquatch. I'm

11:14

still. I'm about eighty five percent they

11:16

are on that These creatures exist in

11:18

a physical form of a year. And

11:21

I straddle that stance because I do

11:23

have a lot of conversations with people

11:25

who have a lot of strange high

11:27

strangeness sort of the whoop of Bigfoot,

11:30

if you will. Type of

11:32

encounters that would. Tend. To

11:34

point you in the direction of maybe these

11:36

things. There's more to them. But.

11:38

I've also. As a researcher

11:40

and somebody who's really been into the subject,

11:43

I've. Had to pick a lane it he will. To.

11:46

Yes, my research and I've always picked

11:48

the flesh and blood line of. I

11:50

think this is an undiscovered biological creature.

11:52

Some sort of relic. Tom annoyed. Or

11:55

relic Time and the and possibly. In

11:57

the North American Space. But

12:00

you can't discount those other strange experiences.

12:02

I was just talking to Wane Mako,

12:04

host of On That Big That podcast

12:07

a couple of days ago. We.

12:09

Were talking about a scenario where I

12:11

had a guy on from Tennessee. his

12:13

name is Daryl. Pretty. Well

12:15

known in the big for communities. Had quite a

12:17

few experiences. He had some really

12:19

strange things happen to him on an investigation

12:22

ways looking for bigfoot on these people's property.

12:24

They. Had sort of the habituation situation in it was

12:26

aggressive so they were really try and he and his

12:28

research partner were trying to help these people. Get

12:31

rid of the bigfoot if you will. See

12:33

some orbs whether Allen and

12:35

Investigation. And. One of these orbs

12:37

sorts floating towards him and his research partner.

12:40

There's no way around it He said the

12:42

orb turned into a possum. It

12:44

sounds comical the even say it out

12:46

loud but. This is a. Piece.

12:49

Pretty much a flesh and blood researcher and he still

12:51

me. Look and are you going to think I'm crazy

12:53

did when I tell you this but. This

12:55

orb turned into a possum right in front of me.

12:58

That's not a flesh and blood time, right? So.

13:01

It's. Difficult for me when I'm pushing

13:03

down the lane of Flesh and blood

13:05

to reconcile. that and I used a

13:07

separate that stuff as an investigator. I'm

13:10

almost five hundred episodes in Sasquatch out of seen.

13:12

Have talked a bunch of people, Who.

13:14

Have had strange things going

13:16

on sometimes simultaneously with big

13:18

was experience. sometimes is just

13:20

before just after. And. I used

13:23

to separate. doesn't say. There's. No way

13:25

that can be involved in the sasquatch part

13:27

of this. I think you just have strange

13:29

lights and maybe sees. Us. Those

13:31

that are happening that you're seeing as you might

13:33

have big with experiences and encounters going on at

13:35

the same time. But. It's harder and

13:37

harder each day for me to separate the two.

13:40

How do you handle that when you go out

13:42

and do you investigations? Are you just completely open

13:44

mind to the fact that. This

13:46

may not be a flash of

13:48

the phenomenon, it's more of a

13:50

supernatural, possibly inter dimensional. It's. Connected

13:53

to extraterrestrials? is that sort of how

13:55

you approach this as you go on

13:57

investigate. Is any on my

13:59

channel? One prize. Why football up there

14:01

is the I moved into Been wrong

14:03

I read mine. If he comes

14:06

forward and saying time that these things that

14:08

are cheaper than I'd be a just as

14:10

happy as everybody else. I'd. Be

14:12

an equal chance because of how i have

14:14

rain wind bus get. But. There is

14:16

no denying when we look for the tube

14:18

nominally critics known at Nif rash of normal.

14:21

There. Are so many crossovers between those two

14:23

genres. For example, we have man sleep in

14:25

both secret and you went on to him

14:27

at it's source of income is. The.

14:30

Reason we it smells always your

14:32

boy Me that the options and

14:34

a be pretty phenomenal. We

14:36

have orbs of light. Sexy.

14:38

Can transition from both nominate

14:40

the ability to disappear. Without

14:43

a Trace is common in both

14:45

Ramona. These things for it which

14:47

is gonna the criticism instructions once again

14:49

from strength as idea that there is

14:51

something more to these things. Now it's

14:53

the outside. Influences. As well

14:56

look and change my mind Leaves mention that. In

14:59

the Pacific Northwest in trust Us and as

15:01

a look at color that. I

15:03

didn't believe that he could be flesh book in

15:05

those in those areas. He. Says to

15:07

investigate enix law a lot reason

15:09

that while remain open minded be

15:11

is. The only reason I think

15:13

he's got to be something more your new gave just because

15:16

of the landmass. It mean you with

15:18

the here I nod and this conversation. Or

15:20

America. Say. I will be saying

15:22

I do believe he could be possible to. Throughout.

15:25

Was a thing as well to bear in mind. How

15:27

the quick to it's working would get the

15:29

threshold that they some kind of i was

15:31

a drone. Something is on even more when.

15:34

Do they have? An equal interest

15:36

in the script is as woo they. They.

15:38

Might not be relayed. All they might

15:40

decrypt is might not be exit. Dress

15:43

themselves for the exits. Wessels my also

15:45

known for his your Nathan have an

15:47

interest is the leading, so that's why

15:49

they're always seen together either before or

15:51

after. The so many different

15:53

roads and up and use of go down

15:55

when when we discuss need to subject adjusting

15:57

to. Our right, The nine.

16:00

Then there is some kind of relation is is

16:02

not is not smart move the got the the

16:04

of mine into everything and like of assess. Say.

16:07

Vancouver wrong. At any point I will be

16:09

more than happy to bomb on the front

16:11

seat. join in. The celebrations, everybody

16:13

else. but yeah there are so

16:15

many crossovers between signal neurons that

16:18

not entertain idea. Yeah. Think

16:20

I'm definitely right there with you again.

16:22

I approach it from the flesh and

16:24

blood side of things and I stay

16:27

open minded the people's experiences because. There

16:30

could be some commingling amongst the to

16:32

I just it's very difficult for me

16:34

to reconcile and I'll ask you this

16:36

as an investigator. How do

16:38

you deal with talking to somebody? For

16:41

example, who sees one of these things

16:43

less a sasquatch, bigfoot, or even a

16:45

dog? And for example, That

16:47

are doing very flesh and blood type

16:49

of things hunting game of. Talk to

16:51

plenty of people who have seen what

16:53

they think. the stalking dear. They.

16:55

Clearly leave behind. A

16:58

lot of signs that are very physical

17:00

like footprints, for example. Arguably that's probably

17:03

one of the best things that we

17:05

have as far as evidence for the

17:07

existence of bigfoot, For example here in

17:09

North America is the footprint evidence and

17:12

of course has been photos and videos.

17:15

That wine and I were just again. We're recording

17:17

of an episode of our other show that Big

17:19

That Park. Yesterday we were talking about the Imax

17:21

footage from I think two thousand and One. Of

17:24

what looks like a purported Sasquatch do in a

17:26

very physical thing and it looks like it even

17:28

has a baby on its back. That's

17:30

a very physical thing. Patty, For example. Patty

17:32

is a very physical being. If you're into

17:34

the Patterson Gimlet sale, many think that's a

17:36

real sasquatch. I tend to err on the

17:39

side of it being of a real sasquatch

17:41

in that video. It's again a

17:43

very physical thing. I guess it's that

17:45

thing it's hard for me to wrap

17:47

my brain around is if these things

17:49

are enter dimensional or they're even connected

17:51

in some way to extraterrestrials. Their

17:54

seen doing very physical. Almost.

17:56

Monday. Yeah things and lot of cases. As.

17:59

An M. Best. Gator. With an

18:01

open mind and you're going out in the

18:03

feeling you're talking to people and you're investigating

18:06

certain sites or how are you reconciling that?

18:09

And. Maintaining your open mind when it

18:11

is. Binding. Very physical things

18:13

left behind, tree structures and other things

18:15

that would. Lead you down the

18:17

road of it being a physical creature or

18:20

more of a terrestrial creature vs. extraterrestrial. How

18:22

do you deal with that? As an investigator?

18:25

Into consider the be stripped it's could

18:27

be if it's recipe and will try

18:29

that. Like you said, The

18:31

our minds around the fact that doing

18:33

very human am animalistic things. That

18:36

wouldn't be too much. Too. Hard to

18:38

imagine I could fresh rules themselves the

18:40

of human beings in law Abduction stories

18:42

where we hear. They're interested

18:44

in human anatomy. Side. Of argument

18:46

for it. So. Even.

18:48

If these critters were exits wrestle. The

18:51

fact that the list and footprints brand

18:53

items they are they young and do

18:55

all things that we would associate with

18:57

animalistic behavior. He. Doesn't change the

18:59

back of they could be a contractual a lack

19:01

of the selected threshold dude human thinks. They're

19:04

interested in our nuclear silence.

19:06

They are interested each human that's be and

19:09

seat on the planet. These are all very

19:11

tonight Brits. Yet. Again was

19:13

on say plates very possible that they could

19:15

be bought. Either either of our

19:17

lady bullets and sorry I could be

19:19

credited or a animalistic never heaviest. In

19:21

the in win at a Do Things. For. They

19:24

could also have a next it's Rational Original. Source:

19:26

talk about some of your investigations. I know you've

19:28

done tons of stuff. You get tons of videos

19:30

over on the Four O One files. Let's.

19:33

Talk about some of the investigations that you've been

19:35

out on. Let's talk about maybe a couple of.

19:38

The ones that have stuck out to use some

19:40

of the places maybe that have stuck out some

19:42

of the experiences that you've had or maybe some

19:44

of the stories that have stuck out that people

19:46

have shared with you that have spurred some your

19:48

investigation. Let's. Get into a little bit of that and

19:50

talk about that for the audience. Yes, Others.

19:53

A few a good boss was in Uk one of

19:55

the places. Place. called how which

19:57

are a species that sorry encrypted science

20:00

And I've spent a few days investigating there for

20:02

lots of strange things. You've got to remember as

20:04

well, while I'm out there investigating, I'm

20:07

not purposely looking for any specific, it's not

20:09

like I'm going out there with the equipment

20:11

to look for a few episodes of thresholds

20:14

or specific cryptids. I'm out there

20:16

in these hotspots where reports are coming in in

20:19

the hopes of experiencing something, anything.

20:22

So I never really go out there knowing what to

20:24

expect, but there has been some really

20:26

good experiences from how it works.

20:28

For example, I woke up one morning, you've

20:31

got to remember as well, this is quite

20:33

a remote area in the UK and there's

20:35

not many cities or towns around this location.

20:38

And I wake up and there's a weird structure

20:40

made up of sticks, logs,

20:43

situated outside my tent only about 10 meters

20:45

away. Now that definitely was not there when

20:47

I pitched the tent. And

20:49

if anybody was dragging sticks and

20:51

twixted the forest during the

20:53

night, I would have finished that. And

20:55

even on the footage, when you see me going in there,

20:58

you see me setting the tent and

21:01

coming past this certain area. And

21:03

there is nothing there. It's not one

21:05

or two sticks. This is a huge grain

21:08

that's being created stacked up against a tree. Now I

21:10

have no idea again what that is. Is

21:13

it more, such a structural area, I have no

21:15

idea, I can just report on what I find.

21:17

But obviously that is very strong. In

21:19

the cryptidorm, there is stick structures, tree

21:22

structures, things like that. There was

21:24

another scenario where I was pitching the tent

21:26

up and I heard this really weird whirling

21:28

sound. It was almost as if you just grabbed

21:31

the cable and started to whirl the cable

21:33

around. You know how it could be the wind and you can hear that. I

21:36

heard this very clearly coming through the woods.

21:38

It wasn't wind. The forest

21:40

was completely silent at this point. There was

21:43

no birds whistling, there was no

21:45

leaves rustling. But this whirling sound

21:47

couldn't do the forest. It was very creepy. And in

21:49

fact, all the hairs on the back of my arm

21:52

stood at this point. So I

21:54

climbed back out of the tent as I'm turning my sleeping

21:56

bag in and I have to sit there two minutes listening

21:58

to the forest. And I have no

22:00

idea which direction this was going from or where it

22:02

was being generated from. But it was very

22:05

creepy. Had me on edge. So

22:07

I stand there in the middle of the

22:09

forest. This noise eventually dies down.

22:12

And I heard a very

22:15

distinct whistle. It was a whistle at this

22:17

point. And I

22:19

can't tell you how scared I was at

22:22

this point, but it was off the chart.

22:24

I was absolutely terrified. Now my first thought

22:26

was, oh my God, there's a dog off. Someone's walked

22:28

through the forest of that dog off a lead. And they've

22:30

realized that I'm here. They're trying to put all this dog

22:33

back. But I never heard

22:35

nothing. I didn't hear a human being

22:37

walking through the forest. I didn't hear anybody calling

22:39

a dog. I didn't even hear the dog if it

22:41

was. It was just me on my own in

22:44

the middle of nowhere. I heard this. I've never heard

22:46

an animal. I've never heard a bird or any other

22:48

animal make a noise like that. But

22:51

yeah, all through that night and in fact, all through that

22:53

week while I was investigating, there were very strange things happening.

22:55

I'm not a massive believer in doing tree

22:57

knots or anything like that. But on

22:59

this particular investigation, I just thought

23:01

for a laugh, I'll do

23:03

a few tree knots. Now I had

23:05

responses straight away to doing this, which

23:08

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scenario like that when I go out and I investigate

24:54

and I get results like that,

24:57

it makes me think, is there really something more

24:59

going on here? Is there something that

25:01

people are asking? Because not everybody can be lied. I think

25:03

we all agree on that. But what

25:05

is doing this? It's not natural to

25:07

hear those kind of things or experience that kind

25:09

of stuff. So yeah, it leaves me

25:12

with a lot of questions. I'm

25:14

right there with you. I've had experiences that

25:16

I can't explain in the woods here on

25:18

our land, in radium with Todd standing last

25:20

year in October, wood

25:23

knocks, whistles, whoops, what

25:26

sounded like samurai chatter that I

25:28

can't explain. And I've

25:30

yet to see anything physical to

25:32

go along with that outside of

25:35

seeing tracks standing in areas, particularly

25:37

in radium, where there

25:39

was something heavy clearly there. There

25:41

was what looked like 17, 18

25:43

inch footprints in the moss there

25:45

in the ground. I've cast

25:47

prints here on my property in

25:49

North Carolina and heard vocalizations that

25:52

are similar to some of the stuff that I

25:54

heard in radium. So I

25:56

don't know. It's what keeps me coming back, man. In your investigations,

25:58

eight years ago, I was in the forest. Has there

26:00

been an experience, whether it was earlier on

26:02

you mentioned something about living in a haunted

26:04

house. I can relate to that. I lived

26:06

in a couple of haunted houses as a

26:08

kid that got my interest peaked at an

26:10

early age in some of the unknown things.

26:13

Certainly, I'd love for you to talk about some of that

26:15

if you're okay with doing that. Even

26:17

from those experiences earlier on, seeing what you

26:20

saw when you were 10 and now going

26:22

out and doing these investigations, is there anything

26:24

that has stuck out to you as far

26:27

as an experience or something that you've seen

26:29

or evidence that you've found that

26:31

points in a direction of, okay, there's definitely

26:33

something going on here that makes me want

26:35

to dig a little bit deeper into the

26:38

subject. Yeah. So, I've

26:40

got a few stories here. Don't mind me. I'm

26:42

telling them more. I'll share them with your

26:44

listeners. My first U.S. was saying, so

26:47

when I made something around where I

26:49

investigated, there was an area where it's

26:51

a 554 square mile area of the North

26:53

Yorkshire Moors. And Smart

26:55

Bank in the middle of the North Yorkshire Moors is

26:58

a military base shrouded in mystery itself. It's

27:00

a top secret military base. I think it's

27:02

actually an American run. It's

27:05

called Aria Filing Dales. Now

27:07

the motto for Aria Filing Dales is

27:09

video llamas, which means we are watching.

27:12

Seriously, you know, it's a bit criggly, you know? But

27:15

yeah, all around this base in this huge area,

27:17

one of the biggest hotspots in the UK

27:19

are very strange reports. And one

27:22

of the reports is obviously the USO sightings. Me

27:24

and my brother had gone up to a place

27:26

called Lambra Head. It's like literally on the coastline

27:28

of the UK. You're looking

27:31

right out across the North Sea. We've

27:33

gone up there. Go can see some of

27:35

these strange lights that people have been reporting. We

27:37

never expected to see anything because it was our first time

27:39

there and that would just be unbelievable. We

27:42

sat out for about two or three hours.

27:44

We had the chairs filled up on the coast. We

27:47

had a little subclass just looking out to sea and you were

27:49

starting to get really cold as it does on the coastline. So

27:52

we decided, look, we've not seen anything. Let's get back

27:54

to the land. Let's get back out here. And

27:56

on the footpath going back to La Vamper's turn, we started looking back.

28:00

we saw these four amber lights, drifting

28:02

across the sky. Now they were

28:04

easily spread apart, very bright amber,

28:07

and they blinked out and

28:09

then reappeared further along in

28:11

the sky, blinked out, and then

28:13

again reappeared. Always going in the

28:15

same line of the same amount of trouble. So I saw

28:17

originally, this could be a plane, that's just four, five for

28:19

a second, this could be a plane. And

28:21

then it did something really weird because it blinked

28:24

out from where it should have appeared. It

28:26

had now gone back on itself. It

28:28

blinked then, and it was like zigzagging

28:31

across the sky. The impression I

28:33

got all the time was that whether spline

28:35

this plane is extremely confused. They don't know

28:37

what they're doing, the plane's out of control,

28:39

or they're just lost. And as

28:41

we're stood there, none of us said a word. There's

28:43

no conversation taking place between me and my brother at

28:45

this point. We're just looking

28:47

at this weird display happening

28:50

in front of us with these lights in the sky.

28:53

And with that, two fighter planes

28:55

screeched above our heads. And this

28:58

thing that we've been watching just shoved out the sea,

29:00

and it must have been about 20 miles out of

29:02

the sea within the blink of an eye. This

29:04

fighter plane, these two fighter planes rolled

29:06

across our heads in the

29:08

same direction, chasing these lights out to sea.

29:11

Now, when they got out to where the

29:13

horizon would have been, out at

29:15

sea, these lights disappeared. And obviously the engines

29:17

of the fighter planes died out. We

29:20

even both stood there and absolutely completely

29:22

amazed. None of us had a

29:24

word for a good minute or two. We were just

29:26

like, what the hell was that? And

29:29

then as we're stood there, literally the only

29:31

cloud in the sky at this time above

29:34

us, these four lights emerged

29:36

eerily from this cloud. It

29:39

was the most bizarre, surreal thing I've

29:41

ever seen in my life. And

29:44

they went across the sky a little bit, and then they disappeared

29:47

and we never saw them again. But we

29:49

never saw those lights come back. When they

29:51

appeared above our heads, we didn't see

29:53

them make the return journey back

29:55

to where it probably just appears. And

29:58

we spoke about this all the way home. the

30:00

van adrenaline running through our bodies. And

30:02

I said, you know, I think, I

30:05

think that whatever those

30:07

lights were, they knew that

30:09

those fireclains were inbound. And they

30:11

were trying to figure out what their next move would

30:13

be. And that's why it was going backwards and forwards.

30:15

Because of the very last minute, they died

30:17

out to sea. And then lo and behold,

30:19

these two fireclains come in the same direction

30:22

chasing them out. So yeah, very weird. But

30:24

that was my first UFO experience. And

30:27

my only UFO experience, to be honest,

30:29

but one is completely just blow my mind. And

30:32

if you want, I can dive into some of the paranormal stuff

30:34

as well. As I mentioned

30:36

at the start of our conversation, I grew up

30:38

in a very haunted house full of

30:41

paranormal activity. One of

30:43

the stories that really sticks out... First of all, let

30:45

me just say that this house took

30:47

on the progression that you see in the movie. Like

30:49

first time with people seeing a

30:51

shadow in the corner of their eye, in that position,

30:53

things would move, things would go missing

30:55

and then turn up in an obvious place. They'd

30:57

already been searched, like many towns

30:59

before. It was very much the way the

31:02

movie should trade in that sense. And

31:04

eventually, this thing, this spirit goes

31:06

wherever it was, kids start trying

31:08

to communicate. And one of the

31:10

creepy stories, some of the creepy

31:12

stories came from my dad. My dad was a

31:14

long distance lorry driver. So he was driving antiquated

31:17

lorries in down country to Scotland and back. He

31:19

was awake quite a lot of my childhood with that job and

31:21

that role. So by the time

31:23

my dad would finish, everybody in the house would be

31:25

asleep. He'd usually turn up at three in the morning

31:28

or in the morning. Because he's growing and

31:30

being so active while driving, he couldn't just go straight

31:32

to bed and switch off. He always had to look at

31:34

a lawn and make himself a coffee. What point did

31:36

I get up? And I'm on my way out of

31:38

the door to school and I look in

31:40

the kitchen, my dad's not there. And that's

31:42

not like my dad. Normally, he's in bed, honestly.

31:44

He's been out at work all night. He's very

31:46

shy, he couldn't eat his wife. And he

31:49

proceeds to tell me a story that he came

31:51

over last night. And he's gone

31:53

down into the fridge to get a milk out. And

31:56

as he did so, a female's voice

31:58

over his left ear. said, Gary, now

32:01

my dad's name is Gary. So whoever

32:03

this thing was, or whatever it was, knew my dad's

32:06

name. And he said, it was

32:08

so realistic. It was so believable

32:10

that I actually turned around and almost said,

32:12

yeah, I almost answered it thinking

32:14

it was your mum. And it wasn't. He

32:16

said, all the hairs on the back of my neck were still up. I

32:19

was bent down in the bridge and I just,

32:21

I could not move. He said, because I know I

32:23

heard it. And all like I said,

32:25

all the hairs on my back and neck are still

32:27

up and everything. But the weirdest thing he said for

32:29

me was knowing that something that shouldn't be here, knows

32:32

my name. And I can't get

32:34

my head around that. That

32:36

was one experience that my dad's had. If we fast

32:38

forward a few more years, my mum and dad at

32:40

this point are going to go break up, go to

32:42

the bar. So my dad's actually now living in the

32:44

house on his own. And

32:46

he just had new car keys laid throughout the house. And

32:50

I don't know if you've ever pulled a door

32:52

against a newly laid carpet, but it's a very distinct

32:54

sound. You can hear it rushing against the carpet. So

32:57

we'd gone around the house, he'd locked all the windows,

32:59

checked all the doors and he'd gone upstairs to sleep.

33:02

And he said, that must have only been laid there for

33:05

10, 15 minutes drifting off. When

33:07

the bedroom door pushed against the

33:09

carpet, and he said, my eyes instantly

33:11

bullied open. And I was laid down in the dark,

33:13

I was in the house on my own, thinking

33:16

someone's in the house, someone's broken them. And then

33:18

now in the bedroom, sort of the doorway. And

33:21

obviously, as he's telling me this, I'm getting freaked out

33:23

and I said, well, what did you do next? What

33:25

did you do? He said, I didn't do anything. I

33:28

lived there all night, looking at the bedroom window with

33:30

the sun's glow, just praying to

33:32

God that there was nobody in the house. And

33:34

sure enough, when he woke up and the sun

33:36

did come back to the window, he turned over

33:39

and the bedroom door was wide open against the

33:41

new mid carpet. There was nobody there. So

33:43

somebody had walked in the bedroom to the foot

33:45

of his bed. And yeah, there was no, but

33:48

this story is a common. It wasn't just me,

33:50

it wasn't just my dad or my mum. It

33:53

was friends of the family that was also

33:55

having experiences in the house. We

33:57

went away on a family holiday once. And

34:00

we left because we had a dog at that time,

34:02

the dog was called Balancer Golden

34:04

Labrador. We had my auntie come

34:06

over and let the dog out while

34:08

we was away on this holiday. We must've

34:10

only been away a week. And she rings

34:12

the mum up, hysterically crying, you're

34:14

gonna have to come back. I'm sorry, I can't do

34:16

this. You're gonna have to come back. I can't look

34:18

after the dog anymore. So my mum

34:21

eventually calmed me down and got to the bottom of what

34:23

happened. And she said that

34:25

she was on the way upstairs and

34:27

she couldn't move past a

34:29

certain point on the stairs. So my mum

34:31

said, what do you mean you couldn't move? What

34:34

do you mean you couldn't move? She said, it was

34:36

like somebody was pushing me back. I thought

34:38

I kept trying to lift my leg to go up

34:40

a step further and I couldn't do it. The

34:42

dog was going crazy, scruffing at the door

34:45

back in, yeah, after

34:47

about two or three attempts, she realized, hang

34:49

on a second, this is really not right.

34:51

She ran out of the house and then never went

34:53

back. It was just a really creepy place to live.

34:56

And even now I'm 37 years old, even though I

34:58

wake every, at least once a month and

35:00

have a nightmare, I'm back in the

35:02

house. And the nightmares aren't always pre-pre. There's

35:04

not stuff chasing me or jumping out at

35:07

me. Sometimes it's just me in that house

35:09

in the dark. And I'm stood there, but

35:11

I'm waiting, sweating and terrified and yeah,

35:14

it was creepy time of my life. It

35:17

definitely sounds like it, man. I can definitely

35:19

relate to being in a creepy house at

35:21

an early age and that stuff sticks

35:23

with you, man. It's hard to explain if

35:25

nobody's ever experienced that kind of terror

35:28

that comes with the unknown voices

35:31

and scratching and walking and

35:33

opening doors and things disappearing.

35:35

It's just a really eerie

35:37

experience that frankly not a lot of

35:39

people get to go through. And it

35:41

clearly has spurned you on to investigate,

35:44

look into this more. You started your show,

35:46

The 401 Files. Let's

35:49

talk about that. Let's talk about what people can expect

35:51

when they go over there. What kind of videos do

35:53

you do? How do you approach your investigations? And when

35:56

they check it out, what can they expect to find on the

35:58

401 files? Yes. So

36:00

on my videos, I get out, I do

36:02

mini style documentary videos that really, when I

36:04

did quite polished videos of me getting out

36:06

into these hot spots. And I go out

36:08

there on my own, right?

36:11

Solo wild camp in these hot

36:13

spots. And I talk about things that

36:15

are quite thought provoking. And my aim is

36:17

to spar curiosity with people that maybe are

36:19

on the fence. I want people

36:21

to leave my channel and think actually what

36:24

he said I don't agree with, but he's got

36:26

a point. And that's the kind of impact I

36:28

want because there are so many different possibilities out

36:30

there that we can't just give

36:32

you a hold of ourselves. And

36:34

the aim of my channel, where

36:36

I concentrate most of my energy

36:38

and time is the UFO and

36:40

cryptid phenomenon. Sometimes it's

36:42

solely just about cryptids. Sometimes it's

36:44

solely just about UFOs. Sometimes I cross the two

36:46

over, but it's always creepy. It's always

36:49

me out there. And I don't do jump

36:51

scan. I don't fake anything if nothing happens.

36:54

But one thing you will get from my

36:56

videos is all provoking content, stuff that you'll

36:58

go away with and sit back and the

37:00

effort is over. Hi guys, thank you for

37:02

joining me back here again on 401 files.

37:05

I'm going to do another filler video for you. What

37:07

I'm going to chat to you today about is

37:10

an experience that I had a few

37:12

years back. So

37:14

a long story short, I was asked to be a guest

37:16

on a podcast. I was asked to attend on a podcast

37:18

that was going to get panel of maybe three or four

37:20

different people. And everything

37:23

felt good. The vibe

37:25

was nice. They seemed interested in what

37:27

I do and what I talk about. So

37:29

I obviously agreed. And

37:33

the sooner I agreed, the sooner we went live

37:35

on this podcast, the

37:37

atmosphere was a bit different. It wasn't what

37:39

I was expecting. And it was quite clearly

37:41

obvious from the from the open that these

37:44

people were trying to back me into a corner

37:47

and trying to get me to say something that

37:49

would make me look stupid. Now why they would

37:51

do this, I'm not sure, but they

37:54

kept going on about the big foot, the

37:56

UK big fun. Why do I

37:58

think there is a big foot wonder in the world? and undiscovered in

38:00

the UK and I kept having to correct them all

38:02

the time. That's not why I believe. I've

38:05

never said for a minute that I believe there

38:07

was a seven to eight feet nine ten feet

38:09

tall creature undiscovered

38:12

walking around the English countryside. I've never said that.

38:16

Even back in the early days of

38:18

the 401 files when I really didn't know what

38:21

direction I was heading in, I still

38:23

always speculated they could

38:25

have an extra-terrestrial element and

38:29

that is something I've always stuck by

38:31

and if it's not a terrestrial it

38:33

could be supernatural, inter-dimensional, paranormal, whatever it

38:35

is, I just don't believe that they

38:37

are flesh and blood creatures undiscovered. I

38:40

just don't. There has to

38:42

be something else, some underlining

38:44

layer to these creatures that

38:46

we don't fully understand right now and

38:48

for me that was the extra-terrestrial

38:51

crossover. So

38:54

yeah I kept correcting them. I kept saying

38:56

look I don't believe that

38:59

there is a bigfoot in the stereotypical

39:01

sense of a ten foot tall

39:04

creature covered in hair walking around the Sunday scuba. I

39:06

don't believe that but they kept pushing it and pushing

39:08

it. I'm thinking have they

39:10

got the right guy on the podcast? Do they

39:12

know what I talk about? What I do? I

39:16

think like maybe 20-30 minutes into

39:18

the podcast it just twigged that these

39:20

guys wanted a title. They wanted something

39:23

to poke fun

39:25

at, something to latch onto and maybe

39:27

even ridicule me over but

39:29

I wasn't gonna give them that. Like I was just sticking to my

39:31

guns and saying I don't think

39:33

that. That's not what I believe. This

39:36

is what I believe but they

39:38

couldn't get on board with that. They couldn't get

39:40

their head around the fact that I thought bigfoot

39:42

could be an extraterrestrial. But then it

39:44

was just too too weird, too

39:48

sci-fi and futuristic and a bit

39:50

kooky. But then

39:52

when I said to these guys look think a

39:55

thousand years from now do you think it's possible or

39:57

likely that we might have extraterrestrial living

39:59

here? here on Earth alongside us. Yeah,

40:01

I think that's possible. Yeah. Okay.

40:05

Think 500 years. Do you think it's

40:07

possible? Possibly.

40:10

Maybe not. So what is it that's giving

40:12

you this illusion

40:14

of when it becomes

40:16

acceptable as to when it doesn't?

40:19

Because you said that 500 years is

40:21

maybe, but 1000 years is probably

40:23

definitely. Why is it

40:25

that now we can't have

40:27

extraterrestrials living amongst us? Because

40:30

when they are here now, 500 years or 1000 years,

40:32

we don't

40:36

have no say in it. They're not here

40:38

because we've said, Come on, it's fine.

40:40

Now you can arrive. They're here because

40:42

they want to be here. And so

40:44

I tried to explain to these guys

40:46

that your only reason for disbelieving the

40:48

exit thresholds could be living

40:51

right here right now amongst the humans is

40:54

based on a human factor. That's

40:57

how that is a stereotypical thing that we

40:59

humans do a lot. We

41:01

are very entitled. For example,

41:03

when we when we first started looking to the

41:05

heavens to space, we believe

41:07

that everything evolved around us. Again,

41:10

it's a very entitled viewpoint. We

41:13

think that we are gods for only children,

41:15

children, again, a very entitled

41:18

viewpoint. And

41:20

when I put it to him in this way, like why tell me

41:23

why you think they can't be here now within 500

41:25

years possibly and in 1000 years, most

41:27

definitely. Your reasoning

41:30

is based on what we're doing. But

41:32

for the actual threshold that come in here,

41:35

they don't care. They couldn't care less what

41:37

we're doing. If they want to be here,

41:39

they will be here. It doesn't matter what

41:42

you think what you believe, what stage of

41:44

advancements we're at. They're

41:46

coming. And that's that. So

41:49

yeah, they didn't seem to like

41:51

this approach for me. They didn't seem to like

41:53

the fact that I

41:55

saw this far outside the box. But

41:59

I guess I'm just trying to set this message to you guys

42:01

is that you're going to meet people who have not

42:04

only different opinions but

42:07

you're going to meet people that try and get you to

42:09

say things that you don't want to say. Now

42:11

if you do believe that Bigfoot is a

42:13

fashionable creature, stick to that. You have your

42:15

beliefs, your own personal experiences throughout

42:17

life have led you to that

42:19

opinion and they're yours and

42:21

yours only. Stick to why you

42:24

believe what you're saying is true. Don't

42:27

ever let anybody bring you down trying to

42:29

back you into a corner to say something

42:31

that makes you don't believe and

42:33

sometimes you're going to get people that laugh at you poke fun

42:35

again. I've had that a lot but

42:39

I always have the last laugh because as times

42:42

change and new things come forward whether they reveal

42:44

the news or in newspapers about

42:46

the subjects it's

42:48

always swaying more in favor of what I've

42:51

always said these things are real they do

42:53

exist. You go back 10

42:56

15 20 years ago people would shut

42:58

you down straight away about

43:00

talking of anything

43:02

like extraterrestrials being related to Plictics.

43:05

Now it's a possibility and in 50 years

43:07

again like these people this podcast said more

43:11

people will believe you see them more likely

43:13

and further on from that people will undoubtedly

43:17

know that they exist. So

43:19

stick to your goals don't ever be pushed

43:21

into a corner and what you believe is

43:23

yours and yours only. You don't need to

43:25

try and convince anybody you don't need to

43:27

build up a following of people

43:29

that believe the same way you do. Your beliefs are

43:31

unique to you and that's what makes us special. That

43:34

is definitely the truth folks. I will link to it in the

43:36

show notes. Make sure you check out the 401 files. Go over

43:38

there, subscribe, hit that notification

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button, show Ben some love and

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support the channel. Man I really appreciate you coming on

43:45

and sharing your experiences and how to blast talking to

43:47

you. Yeah you too as well

43:49

because I'm a long-term fan as well and I

43:51

have not mentioned it. I'm a huge fan of

43:53

the Sasquatch Odyssey podcast. I listened to it for

43:55

many years. Thank you for having me. I

43:58

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