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Hey, everybody. This is Lestrade. Yes, yes,

1:03

I know. A.K.A. Survivor Man.

1:06

And you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odyssey. Hey

1:31

there, welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you

1:33

so much for clicking play. It is Sunday.

1:35

I hope you're having a great weekend. We

1:37

have an amazing guest lined up for you.

1:39

But as always, I want to start the

1:41

show by inviting you. If

1:43

you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot

1:45

me an email. You can get me at

1:48

brianatparanamoworldproductions.com. You can head over to the website,

1:50

check it out, become a member there, and

1:52

help support the show. I

1:54

got to sit down a couple of months ago,

1:56

actually, and talk to Adam Colt. And

1:59

he hooked up with... Doug Hijczyk out there

2:01

in Minnesota and they had this bright idea

2:03

to put Adam out in a teepee in

2:05

the middle of nowhere for 30 days and

2:07

set up a bunch of cameras and do

2:09

a bunch of experiments and he

2:11

has some really amazing stuff to share with

2:13

you guys tonight. We talked a little bit about

2:15

some eye shine and some photos that we

2:18

talked about during the interview. You can check all

2:20

of that stuff out by heading over to our

2:22

website, parenthoodamoralproductions.com. Check out the Sasquatch Odyssey blog

2:24

at the top of the page and I will

2:26

have all of that stuff over there for

2:28

you. But enough of that I know you

2:30

guys are ready to get into it. Adam's on the

2:33

line, he's ready to go. All you have to do

2:35

is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Our

2:58

guest of the show is Adam Colt from Minnesota.

3:00

Welcome to the show Adam. Thanks

3:02

for having me on. I'm glad to have you man. So let's

3:04

get right into it. Let's talk about this Bigfoot thing. What

3:07

got you interested in the subject to begin with? It's

3:10

a strange story. My son was in

3:12

fifth grade and he came home

3:14

and he had a big smile on his face and I

3:16

said, what's up? And he goes, I

3:18

get to do a report and I'm like, okay

3:20

great, report whatever. And he's, no you don't get

3:23

it dad. I get to do a report on Loch

3:25

Ness Monster. And I said,

3:27

really? And I said, that's interesting. So

3:29

then I started thinking about taking my son

3:31

over to Scotland and hanging out,

3:34

checking out to try to see Nessie. But then I'm like,

3:36

that's gonna be expensive and I got to get a hotel,

3:39

airfare, and gonna be several weeks

3:41

out there probably. So I'm just

3:43

like, do we have anything in the United States that

3:45

I could check out? And I didn't

3:48

really even realize we had Ogo Pogo

3:50

and other things. So I'm just

3:53

like, wow, we got Bigfoot here. So

3:55

I thought for sure I'd have to take him out

3:57

to California. But now obviously we know

3:59

the big... in most states or

4:02

we think big puts in most states. So

4:04

that's what got me into it. I just wanted to take

4:06

my son on an adventure. What really

4:09

tripped me out was when I was doing

4:11

the research and this was really early, like

4:14

before YouTube even. I had

4:16

to dig and dig to try to find the

4:18

Patterson-Ginland film. When I did, I was

4:21

shocked because I didn't

4:23

realize that it was female. It

4:25

was my first time actually looking at it and

4:28

I'm like, that's a female. Then

4:30

just using my regular

4:33

common sense and this is what I don't think a

4:35

lot of people get because it's like all

4:37

the people are like, if you hoax the big foot,

4:39

I'm like, yeah, you could ask a million people how

4:41

they would hoax big foot, not one of them, and

4:43

say let's put boobs on the monkey suit. And

4:46

so for me, that was the big clincher. I'm

4:48

like, two guys, Patterson-Ginland,

4:51

rancher cowboy dudes from

4:53

the 60s, looking for a

4:55

monster that didn't exist. I'm

4:57

like, yeah, they would never, ever think to

4:59

put boobs on a monkey suit. So

5:02

I'm like, that's gotta be legit. I

5:04

just followed the research after that and I got

5:06

into Monster Quest and ended up meeting Doug. The

5:09

more I looked into it, the more we found

5:11

just the amazing things that are in that footage.

5:14

It's funny that you mention that because that's one of the

5:17

things that comes up often with the Patterson-Ginland film is there's

5:20

no way they could have hoaxed it because it was

5:22

a female. Like you said, these cowboys, how are they

5:24

gonna think about that? The thing is, I see it

5:26

a lot of times, when

5:29

it comes to Bigfoot, just like everything else in the

5:31

world. There's armchair experts

5:33

for everything, but I've talked to people about

5:35

the Patterson-Ginland film. The first thing they say

5:37

was, oh, that's fake. It's proven.

5:39

There was that picture that Roger Patterson had

5:41

of that female Bigfoot years before they faked

5:44

the film. And I'm like, that

5:46

wasn't his picture. That was the William Roe

5:48

incident from way back when.

5:50

That wasn't something that he created. It

5:52

was from the William Roe incident. And

5:55

they're like, what is that? I'm like, just know

5:57

your history, dude, because if you're gonna call somebody

5:59

out, and say that they're a hoaxer, you

6:02

probably need to know a little bit about what you're talking

6:04

about. The Patterson Gimlin film is one of those things that

6:06

I've went back and forth on. I just did an interview

6:08

a couple of weeks ago. There's

6:10

a kid over in the UK, Daniel Barnett.

6:12

He's a 14-year-old cryptozoologist over there and he's

6:15

found some hair and some eDNA and some

6:17

other things. He does his

6:19

own podcast. He asked me to come on

6:21

and co-host a show with him with M.K.

6:23

Davis and Todd Gatewood about some of these

6:25

images that they've had come out recently of

6:27

Patty. There's a big controversy in the Bigfoot

6:29

community about whether it's AI or sub-scaling and

6:31

this whole debacle. We

6:34

got into that about the Patterson Gimlin

6:36

film, but it's something that we're still

6:38

talking about 56-plus years later. I

6:41

think it's so cool that in that

6:43

day with your son, you're having this experience and

6:45

then you find the Patterson Gimlin film and that

6:47

sort of sparks it for you just like it

6:49

has so many different people, myself included, to

6:52

go down this path and go into the research

6:54

and look into it. It started

6:56

as a report for your son. How

6:59

did it blossom into this thing that has become

7:01

Adam Colt, the Bigfoot investigator? How did that work

7:03

for you? How did you go down the rabbit

7:05

hole? My wife got a

7:07

promotion a couple years ago and she said, yeah,

7:10

you can retire a little early. I

7:12

said, that's awesome. I'm like, now

7:14

I'm going to actually jump into this

7:16

hobby full-time, quarter-time anyways. Another

7:19

thing that kind of got me spurred off is that I

7:21

was looking for a yurt. Yurts

7:23

are really cool. Who doesn't love yurts? There's

7:26

a place in Colorado, we visit Colorado every

7:28

summer, on your way to the

7:30

trains, there's this yurt camp that

7:33

has these glamping yurts. They're

7:35

totally decked out. I'm like, I

7:37

want a yurt so bad. So I

7:39

was on Craigslist and I happened to find a teepee.

7:42

I'm like, oh, teepee, that's pretty

7:44

close to a yurt. So I went up and saw it and it

7:46

was just amazing and I'm just like, okay, I got to buy this

7:48

thing. It was ridiculously cheap for

7:50

me and so I ended up picking it up.

7:53

And of course, I'm going to bring that with me

7:55

and so I did last summer decide to really do

7:57

it. Now, if anyone who's...

8:00

seen a teepee, there is 17 poles,

8:02

they're 25 feet long each.

8:05

It's hundreds of pounds of canvas and poles. So it's

8:07

not something you're just going to bring overnight camping. It's

8:10

not something you're going to throw in a backpack. And

8:12

I had to get a custom trailer built out of

8:14

a boat trailer. I said, if I'm going to do

8:16

this thing, I'm going to make it last. I'm going

8:18

to go at least a week, if not two weeks.

8:21

I'm like, hell, why don't I do 30 days?

8:23

So that's what got me into the hole. Let's

8:25

do 30 days. It wasn't like, I'm going to

8:27

do 30 days. I'm just like, I'm going

8:30

to cherry all this gear up there and set it all

8:32

up. I'm going to stay up there for a while. Most

8:35

people who go camping, I know for me a

8:37

couple of days, three days, if I'm

8:39

camping in a tent is probably my limit.

8:41

I'm in my late forties now. I'm not

8:44

as young as I used to be. So

8:46

that's a tough way to go. Your subsistence

8:49

living in a way because you're looking for

8:51

your food, in most cases, your water, those

8:53

kinds of things. How did you

8:55

feel about that going into outside of just

8:57

the possibility of being out there with bears

8:59

and other crazy things and critters and possibly

9:01

a Sasquatch in the area? How

9:03

are you going into that mentally preparing

9:06

for 30 days, sleeping in a

9:08

teepee out in the middle of the woods? I

9:10

started making a lot of lists. My list is really

9:12

long of all the things that I might need to

9:14

bring up there. That's part of the reason that

9:16

I overpacked on that first trip. I'm going to try to thin it

9:18

out a little bit. But yeah, preparing for

9:20

it, I've done a little bit of canoeing in

9:23

the Boundary Water area. There's overnight camping up there.

9:25

There's bears and you got to do the bear

9:27

bag thing. So I'm used to

9:29

that a little bit. I didn't do it a

9:31

lot, not every year, like every 10 years maybe.

9:33

It was a little scary, but I thought I'm

9:35

going to bring... Most of

9:37

the perishables I brought were Bigfoot

9:39

bait, fruit and vegetables and walnuts

9:41

and pineapple and all sorts of

9:43

crazy things I brought up there.

9:46

Bacon, venison, things I brought

9:48

as bait. Most of my food supplies

9:50

were actually just the freeze dried and

9:52

oatmeal. So every morning I just

9:54

had a bag of oatmeal and every night I

9:56

had a bag of freeze dried oatmeal. That

9:58

worked out great. I ended

10:00

up losing 15 pounds in 30 days. It was

10:02

great. That was your first voyage

10:05

into the woods. Had you done any big

10:07

footing, quote unquote, big footing research out in

10:09

the woods, boots on the ground, whether it

10:11

be camping or just going out looking for

10:13

these things before this trip? Yeah.

10:16

There is a landowner in northern Minnesota

10:18

who has several on his land. It's

10:22

his family's property and they've owned it for many

10:24

years. He's a friend of Doug's

10:26

and I got invited into that little circle. I went

10:28

up there. That's what got me into the

10:30

hole. I'm going to do this thing is because

10:32

I'm a tech guy. As you can see, there's

10:35

a lot of musical instruments in my room here

10:37

and I'm into microphones, I'm

10:39

into cameras, I'm into networking. I actually

10:41

work in IT and so not

10:44

only do I wire stuff up, I know how to make

10:46

my own cables, I know how to solder, all

10:48

that kind of stuff. So I talked to

10:50

Doug and I said, we need to make a camera system.

10:52

This guy's got bigfoots on his land.

10:55

We got to go up there and capture it on

10:57

video. Doug was humming and humming for

10:59

a while. I said, fine, I'm just going to do it.

11:01

So I threw my tent in the car. I didn't have a teepee

11:03

at that time. I went up to

11:05

the landowner and I ended up

11:08

setting up like eight to ten cameras. I

11:10

decided to use security cameras

11:13

instead of trail cams. I

11:16

had a couple trail cams too but the

11:18

landowner told me about some very

11:20

specific problems and this is what

11:22

got my brain thinking about why use security cams

11:25

because a lot of times

11:27

he said every time I went to retrieve

11:29

the trail cam, the batteries were dead.

11:32

We've all heard reports of batteries being drained,

11:34

paranormal is draining the batteries and destroying the

11:37

SD cards because he would get the SD

11:39

cards out and there would be nothing on

11:41

them or they would be re-formatted or whatever.

11:43

He knows he took a picture of me

11:46

before I left and I know there was a picture

11:48

on there or sometimes he does get the card out.

11:50

It's just the picture of him setting up the camera

11:53

and the batteries are dead and the batteries don't

11:55

go dead unless it's actually working. I said, okay,

11:57

we have to have cameras that have power. We

12:00

have to have cameras that are back up

12:02

to the cloud in case the SD cards

12:04

get destroyed. We have two sources. Then

12:07

I thought, hey, this is an added

12:09

bonus. We have motion video full time

12:12

and we actually have live streaming

12:14

24-7. The

12:17

landowner happened to just get fiber, so

12:19

it was an amazing speed. We were

12:22

able to stream picture perfect video. We

12:24

had those cameras up for about six months and

12:27

I had to go up and maintain them because

12:30

a couple of them would die. There were

12:32

some critters that chewed through some of the cables that

12:34

we had put down and whatnot. But

12:36

at that point, it wasn't battery. We

12:38

hardlined the AC. I

12:40

had to figure out how to deliver power a

12:43

mile away from an outlet. That

12:46

was another tricky power problem because the further

12:48

you go, the more power drains

12:50

and you can't just put a bunch of extension

12:53

cables together. So I had to

12:55

figure that out. There are some

12:57

technical hurdles to overcome, but we got

12:59

those cameras out there. We got a

13:01

lot of interesting footage. I've got flying

13:03

squirrels. I've got hawks. I've got skunks.

13:05

I've got coyote, porcupine, all sorts

13:08

of crazy stuff out there. Lots of

13:10

bears, lots of deers. My

13:12

favorite camera is we decided to

13:14

do some battery cams and we

13:16

actually hollowed out a peanut butter jar.

13:19

Then I put a battery and a camera

13:21

inside the peanut butter jar, heated up the

13:23

peanut butter and poured it back in as a liquid

13:25

and let it resolidify around the camera and the battery.

13:28

It was a perfect looking peanut butter jar.

13:31

Of course, the bear found it. We

13:33

have video of a bear's teeth crying the

13:36

lid off from the inside of the peanut

13:38

butter jar. Now I know

13:40

how bears open peanut butter jars. That

13:42

is very cool, man. This

13:44

six months that you're talking about, where are

13:46

we in timeframe versus this time when you

13:48

put the cameras out there versus when you

13:50

go out? Did you do your 30 days

13:52

on this same property? Was that what ended

13:54

up happening? I wanted to initially, yeah. Timeline

13:57

getting, jumping back to that question quick. Right

14:00

before COVID, it was probably the

14:02

summer of 2019, and

14:04

then early 2020, COVID kind of locked

14:06

everything down. I think we stayed put

14:09

for about two years. And then last summer, 2023 is

14:11

when I got back out again. So it was a couple

14:13

of year gap. But in the meantime,

14:15

I'd collected more cameras. I'd figured out how

14:17

to extend the range of the cameras. I

14:20

bought a bunch of the Jackery products so

14:22

that we could be running off a battery

14:24

and solar. When I went

14:26

in the teepee, I was a little bit more

14:28

prepared to be off-grid. Because originally,

14:31

we were on-grid with power

14:33

and internet. And then I had to figure out how to

14:35

go off-grid. And then next

14:37

year, we're booked to go up to Snellgrove

14:39

again with Doug. And I'm going to be

14:41

bringing Starlink up there to Canada.

14:44

So hopefully, there's a generator up there. We're off

14:46

completely off-grid up there, but there's a nice big

14:48

generator. And with all the extra batteries and stuff,

14:51

I'm going to bring up there. Hopefully, we'll be able to keep

14:53

the Starlink up and maybe even do

14:55

some live streaming from Snellgrove, which would be

14:57

cool. Let's go back to this property.

15:00

I'm curious about the activity the gentleman was having

15:02

on his property. You said he knew he had

15:04

Bigfoot there. But yet, you didn't

15:06

capture anything on camera that would lend you

15:08

to say this is Bigfoot activity. Explain to

15:10

us, me, the audience, what was he experiencing

15:12

on the property? Was he having vocalizations? Was

15:14

he seeing these things? Was he finding footprints?

15:16

What kind of evidence was he collecting on

15:18

his property? Basically, all of the above. The

15:21

first time he invited us up there, Doug and

15:23

I drove up together. It was

15:25

a really interesting experience. I hadn't met him yet

15:27

and everything. And he was showing us around the

15:29

property. And he has what he calls his gifting

15:31

area. He gifts them peanut

15:34

butter and apples. He

15:36

had probably 40 jars

15:39

of peanut butter lids on the ground. What's

15:41

really interesting is he posted stuff on his

15:44

Facebook page, too. I don't know if I

15:46

should mention his name. But if

15:48

you know who he is, you'll know what the picture looks

15:50

like. Basically, he showed

15:52

me the ground and he said, I don't do this.

15:54

I looked at the ground and all the peanut butter

15:57

lids were organized by color. And

15:59

I'm like, that's amazing. animals don't

16:01

do that either, that OCD type

16:03

of behavior. Then he also

16:05

showed us this tree where when

16:07

they finished the peanut butter jars

16:09

and these were licked clean, they

16:11

were like white clean from the inside

16:13

with a moistened finger or a tongue

16:16

and they were hung on the

16:18

branches of the tree like

16:20

a Christmas ornaments basically. So

16:22

I'm like animals don't do that behavior

16:25

either. They don't hang empty peanut butter on

16:27

a tree. So while

16:29

we were out there, we started

16:32

smelling the smell that people

16:34

say. It was the first time I

16:36

smelled it. It was musty skunky. What's

16:38

interesting is he happens to be a musician. I'm a

16:41

musician. He has a great voice too. So I said

16:43

why don't you try singing for him? So he started

16:45

singing and we got the smell and

16:47

then he would stop singing. We would walk to a

16:49

new area and the smell would be gone. I'd say

16:52

go ahead and start singing again and when he started

16:54

up singing again, they would come back in and I'm

16:57

like wow that's really interesting. We would smell

16:59

them every time he started singing. So

17:01

I think there is something here but

17:03

he has seen them multiple times.

17:06

I want to say more than seven,

17:08

less than 40, somewhere in there

17:10

and I don't want to talk for him

17:13

but I think he found

17:15

a deer hill that was

17:17

very curious. That's what got him

17:19

into Bigfoot because he's a hunter

17:22

and he was out and he's just like this

17:24

is not a normal deer kill. There's no blood.

17:26

There's no bones and then he

17:28

started getting gifts. He's got 40 or 50

17:31

deer skulls that have been gifted to him

17:33

basically on his doorstep. Just all

17:35

sorts of crazy things that just don't add up. Theoretically,

17:38

he's had fingerprints on his house,

17:40

broken windows, fingerprints on

17:42

the siding. He's heard vocalizations of them

17:44

walking through his yard and talking at

17:47

night. None of the stuff, of course, I

17:49

can verify. I wasn't there for it but

17:51

if these stories are true and we got the

17:53

smell and I got to see the peanut butter

17:56

jars, obviously that is something someone

17:58

could fake. They could empty people. peanut butter

18:00

jars and hang them on a tree. I told him

18:02

right to his face. I'm like, this is not good

18:04

evidence. We need good evidence. I didn't do this. And

18:06

I'm like, yes, I believe you, but no one else,

18:08

but it's not good evidence. So

18:11

it was my mission to set up those cameras

18:13

and capture evidence. Unfortunately,

18:16

after a day of tromping through the woods

18:18

and running cables and crimping Ethernet Cat 5

18:20

cables and all that stuff I had to

18:23

do to make this stuff work, I

18:25

was really tired. So I went to my tent. I set

18:27

it up earlier in the day and I just crashed. That

18:30

night, Doug calls me in the middle

18:33

of the night. I think I was too tired to

18:35

even answer my phone. The next morning I see his

18:37

missed call basically said, hey, did you see it on

18:39

the video last night? I'm like, what? He

18:42

goes, I saw three Sasquatch walk past your number one camera.

18:44

I'm like, what? So we

18:47

tried everything to retrieve the data from

18:49

the cloud. I hadn't set up the

18:51

camera to record properly that first night.

18:53

I'm just like, of course. So one

18:55

night that I don't have it set up. So I

18:57

went back and I finished installing the rest of the

18:59

cameras. I got three or four cameras up

19:02

the first day and got the second camera though because I

19:04

was climbing trees and bringing hauling

19:06

ladders into the woods. And this was

19:08

a good mile from the owner's property. So

19:11

it was a hike and I'm a heavy

19:13

guy, so I don't move real fast. So

19:15

after I got all that stuff set up, Doug told me

19:17

I missed it all. I missed the big show. So

19:20

we were really excited to get more footage, but we

19:22

never did. I'll say that

19:24

we never got good evidence, but something really

19:26

strange happened if you're interested

19:28

in hearing about maybe some MIB. So

19:32

we had an anomaly during

19:34

a rainstorm. We captured a

19:36

frame or two, and we're talking one

19:38

or two frames, like not

19:41

very much. There's 24 frames per second on

19:43

these cameras. So I'm

19:45

looking at these frames and I'm like, this

19:47

looks like the size and the shape of

19:49

a Sasquatch. The owner walked

19:51

out to that camera and stood in

19:53

the spot where the anomaly was. We

19:56

flipped back and forth between the anomaly and

19:58

the human and I'm like, Like that is

20:00

the size and shape of

20:02

a Bigfoot. How does an anomaly come

20:04

in the shape of a Bigfoot? But

20:07

it didn't enter the frame, and it didn't

20:09

walk away from the frame. It suddenly appeared

20:12

and then disappeared, okay? And

20:14

it did it really quickly cuz it was only two frames.

20:17

He got all excited and he started posting about it

20:19

on Facebook. And I'm like, dude, this is still not

20:22

good evidence. It's interesting, but it's not good evidence. Literally

20:25

the next night, something

20:27

weird happened on the cameras. And

20:29

I started analyzing it, and I'm

20:31

like, that looks like a downdraft. Why

20:34

are all the leaves in the trees being

20:36

forced downward? And then I

20:38

noticed that a drone flown through

20:40

the footage. And I'm like,

20:42

who is operating a drone in the middle of the

20:44

night, 1 to 2 AM, on

20:47

private property in northern

20:49

Minnesota the day after we

20:51

spotted an anomaly? Right,

20:54

cuz he posted it on Facebook that next day.

20:56

And I'm like, that is some weird

20:59

stuff. And then to tie that

21:01

in a little bit, when I was doing the

21:03

teepee, the first day that I set

21:05

up the teepee, there was a black helicopter that

21:07

flew about 100 feet above

21:09

the ground really low, flew right over

21:11

my teepee area. And on the

21:14

day that I left, another black helicopter flew

21:16

right over my teepee. Almost every

21:18

day that I was up there, there was a Cessna

21:20

that flew over the area,

21:23

not directly over my teepee, you know what I'm

21:25

saying? So I'm just like, what is watching me?

21:28

And why are they watching me? And

21:30

the DNR guys, that was the best part.

21:32

So the day I got up there, the

21:34

DNR guys after the black helicopter came by,

21:36

and they're like, hey, yeah, we're gonna

21:38

set up some cameras. I'm like, that's funny,

21:40

I'm doing the same thing. And they're like,

21:43

what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm doing some wildlife

21:45

research. They're like, we are too. And

21:47

I'm like, okay. And they did something weird.

21:49

They basically said they were doing a deer

21:51

study. And so they said, okay, we'll go

21:53

around you then and go to a different

21:55

area. He was looking at the GPS coordinates

21:57

on the chart. He goes, yeah, this isn't.

21:59

the right area anyways and I'm like,

22:01

why did you stop here then? So

22:03

that was some weird stuff. Nothing provable

22:05

and nothing major, but just some weird

22:07

incidents that kind of all tie

22:10

into this Minnesota big foot

22:12

thing. Because we're pretty open about,

22:14

we're contacting each other via phone

22:16

and email, and we're sending pics

22:18

of where our locations and our

22:20

GPS coordinates back and forth through

22:22

email. So if one of

22:24

us is being monitored, then they're going to

22:26

have that information pretty quickly. I

22:28

feel like I should be playing the theme

22:30

music for MIB right now. I

22:33

know. Again, it's just like you

22:35

can't prove anything. It's just weird hearsay,

22:37

but I was there. Why is a

22:39

black helicopter flying over my teepee? Let's

22:41

talk about the area that you ended up

22:43

in with the teepee. Where are you in

22:45

correlation with this other property? How far away

22:47

are you? Let's go into how you set

22:49

that up. Talk a little bit about that

22:51

experience. Got you. I

22:54

was going up to set up my

22:56

teepee on the land where we had

22:58

done the six-month study. The

23:00

owner was being a little, I don't really want you up

23:02

here. I'm going to be away from my

23:05

property for a while, and I don't want you

23:07

going in and out. I'm like, okay, you know

23:09

me. I'm cool. I didn't push the issue. So

23:11

I called up Doug and I said, Doug,

23:13

I need another hotspot. I can't go up

23:16

to that first property, first choice. Give

23:18

me a second choice. He goes, there

23:20

was just a sighting north of Reamer,

23:22

Minnesota. I'm like, okay. So I

23:24

went up to Reamer, and it was really fun.

23:26

It was my first time up there. Reamer,

23:28

the town slogan is, Home of

23:31

Bigfoot in Reamer, Minnesota. They

23:34

have a gas station, one gas station in

23:36

the middle of town, and it's called the

23:38

Bigfoot Gas Station. They're all about Bigfoot. Then

23:41

they have this yearly festival called

23:43

Bigfoot Days. That

23:45

is why I went up there. Because

23:47

during Bigfoot Days, one of the other

23:49

Minnesota researchers had taken a tour

23:52

out on a day hike, night hike, and

23:55

they had spotted a Sasquatch while they were

23:57

out hiking. So the people who,

23:59

you know, I'm just like, okay, what

24:01

are the chances that somebody pays for a tour

24:03

and goes and gets to see Bigfoot on their

24:05

first try? Okay. But I said,

24:07

all right, fine. They say they're the home of

24:09

Bigfoot. There was one spotted here and they gave

24:12

me the GPS coordinates. And I tried to find

24:14

a good place to set up the teepee

24:16

that was pretty far removed and yet close

24:18

to that area. I was able to

24:21

do that. So that's what brought me to

24:23

that area. And the DNR guys,

24:25

they being in Remer, I told them I

24:27

was looking for Bigfoot and they're like, huh,

24:29

we haven't heard of any activity lately. I'm like, oh,

24:32

you didn't hear about the sighting last week? And they're

24:34

like, no, but we should look into that. They're serious.

24:37

It's like, that's odd. They

24:39

definitely did not laugh it off like most

24:41

DNR guys would. I set up camp.

24:43

Teepees are a little hard to set up alone. So

24:45

I did bring a friend up for the first couple

24:48

nights and he helped me set up base

24:50

camp. And basically settled in.

24:52

It was fun. I had a tent, a

24:54

screened-in tent for my kitchen. I

24:56

had another tent for my bathroom area. I

24:59

had the teepee as my office and storage.

25:02

And then I had a screened-in tent because

25:04

in Minnesota, we have mosquitoes that are the

25:06

state bird up here. There's a

25:08

lot of mosquito attack. Actually, the biting flies

25:10

were worse than the mosquitoes that

25:13

summer. So you're up in the woods and I'm

25:15

thinking about Bigfoot and I'm thinking about food

25:17

rations and I'm thinking about power and electricity. The

25:19

last thing I'm thinking about is bugs. And

25:22

I think I got stung four times and

25:24

yeah, so there's just, you don't think about

25:26

the bugs, but it was an adventure with

25:28

the bugs. I did bring up a four-wheeler,

25:31

not a side-by-side, just the ride on. Whenever

25:33

I took off on that down the trails, the

25:36

biting flies would chase me. I'm

25:38

dead serious. They were just swarming

25:40

around my head. Eventually, I just had to live with

25:42

it. I'm like, I called him my ride along buddies.

25:45

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25:47

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did have one incident on the four-wheeler that was

27:30

a little interesting. Something threw

27:32

a rock, and it hit the side,

27:35

not like kicking up a rock. And

27:37

most people say, yeah, you kicked up a rock. But

27:39

it literally hit the side of my seat, and

27:41

it came in from the side. So I

27:44

stopped, and I did something goofy.

27:46

I'm a kind of goofy guy. I

27:48

drove back and forth hoping that it would try

27:50

to throw another rock at me. I didn't

27:52

do any wood knocks or anything, but I

27:54

was basically pretending to be one

27:56

of the hunting duck games and going back and forth

27:58

and letting them shoot at me. me. Nothing

28:01

else happened, so I was a little disappointed there. But

28:04

in the teepee, we did get

28:06

some activity and it was really crazy because

28:08

most of the activity started when the weekend that my

28:10

wife came up to visit me, she came up for

28:12

two days. When she came up,

28:15

she woke up and basically I'd gotten into a

28:17

routine by this point. I think we were two

28:19

weeks in and I would just go

28:21

to bed and crash out, get up the next morning,

28:24

check the cameras, that kind of deal. I was

28:26

going to bed pretty early, 8 or 9 o'clock.

28:29

Then I'd get up at 10 o'clock and set up

28:31

the cameras because I didn't want to waste batteries. So

28:33

I'd actually get up 10 to 6. They

28:36

generally lasted about eight hours overnight. But

28:38

she said she heard a wood knock. She didn't even know

28:40

what they were called. She called a, I can't remember what

28:42

she called it. Anyways, it was a wood knock. And

28:45

then she heard a

28:47

zipper sound. And that's what

28:50

we talked about before, but he

28:52

thought they were coming into the tent. She heard the

28:54

zipper noise and she crawls over

28:56

the tent to me. It was adorable. She

28:59

didn't want to make any noise. She's

29:01

squeezing my hand in silence.

29:04

I wake up and roll over and I'm like, what? There's

29:07

something in the camp. And I

29:09

said, I know. And I just rolled back

29:11

and went to sleep. I

29:13

know they're here. They've been here for like days. And

29:15

she was petrified. Later that night,

29:17

she heard another zipper sound and

29:19

she thought, must it be me in my sleeping bag

29:21

or something like that and just let it

29:23

go. But it was coming from behind the tent. And

29:26

then she's, wait a minute. That's not in

29:28

the tent. That's behind the tent. That's maybe

29:30

somebody zipping their jacket. And I'm like, you're

29:33

laying in bed in the middle

29:35

of the woods at three to five o'clock

29:37

in the morning and you think there's someone

29:39

outside your tent zipping their jacket. That

29:42

is, to me, is more terrifying than

29:44

somebody trying to get in the tent. I don't even

29:46

know. It's, what are they doing outside the tent? So

29:49

she told me about that the next day. And what

29:51

was cool is about a week later,

29:53

I got to hear the zipper noise myself. So

29:56

it was like a zipper. And I'm

29:59

just like, oh. And mine was coming from

30:01

way behind the tent and up in the air. It

30:03

sounded like it was eight to ten feet in the

30:05

air, which was very interesting.

30:08

The scariest thing that happened to me though was

30:11

the night that we did a podcast for

30:13

Doug from the Woods, I was

30:15

doing the podcast and we couldn't run the generator. So

30:18

the batteries were really low. And the next morning,

30:20

all the batteries died early. Because normally they die

30:22

at five or six a.m. or whatever. But they

30:24

died like at two or three a.m. I

30:27

ended up waking up and I heard

30:29

one of them breathing right outside my tent.

30:32

The first thing I did is, am I dreaming? Is

30:34

this real? So I said, hold your

30:36

breath so you know that it's

30:38

not you breathing or some weird echo or

30:41

whatever. So I held my breath for a good

30:43

30, 40 seconds and it was still

30:45

breathing outside the tent. That's

30:47

when you get this come to Jesus moment,

30:50

it could kill me right now if it wanted to.

30:53

And what do you do? So

30:55

I ended up pretending to wake up,

30:57

I rolled out of bed, I yawned,

30:59

made a lot of noise. And after

31:01

we went up to Snell Grove, we

31:04

had this group discussion about how

31:06

the researchers need to act. And

31:09

we need to stop that fear because I'm

31:11

like, my fear was like, let's wake up,

31:13

let's let them know I'm awake, let's scare

31:15

them off. I'm like, no, what

31:17

I should have done was quietly

31:19

get out of bed, quietly

31:21

unzip the zipper, and I'm sure they would

31:23

have heard me anyways. But try to get

31:25

outside and see them. Because

31:27

so many times people with their cell phones and they're

31:29

in their tent and they're scared to death

31:32

and they're like, outside right now, we can

31:34

hear them and they're streaming live. But

31:36

they're not doing the research. They're not getting

31:38

outside. They're not taking the photos. They're not

31:40

aiming their cameras. So it's

31:42

really hard to overcome that fear. Yeah,

31:45

it's one of the things I love to talk to

31:47

Dr. John Barron talk about because he wrote an entire

31:49

book about the entire book is not about that. But

31:51

there's a great portion of the book talking

31:53

about how you can prepare yourself for

31:56

going into the woods and having these

31:58

kinds of experiences and retraining. your lizard

32:00

brain not to react in the way that

32:02

it normally does. Like you said, fear-based

32:05

reactions, I've got to scare this thing off, I

32:07

don't want to get eaten, this thing

32:09

could drag me into the woods and I would disappear. Training

32:12

your brain to react in a different way is

32:15

easier said than done. I've been in positions like

32:17

that as a police officer. You've got people shooting

32:19

at you, your brain's telling you to do one

32:21

thing but your job's telling you you've got to

32:23

do another. It's tough running towards gunfire. Let me

32:25

tell you, I've been there a couple of times.

32:28

It's not a fun thing but you have

32:30

to retrain your brain to do the opposite of what

32:32

you should be doing which is getting the hell out

32:34

of the line of fire but that's what

32:36

police officers do. So it's very similar in

32:38

a situation where you're researching. Like you said,

32:40

your brain's telling you, holy shit, there's something

32:42

breathing outside my tent. I've got

32:45

to get this thing away from me, you start

32:47

making noise but you really should be quiet and

32:49

try to get a photo or a picture or

32:51

whatever the case may be. Let's talk a little

32:53

bit about outside of the experiences that you've had,

32:55

obviously physically had experiences and things you heard and

32:57

experienced. Did you capture anything

32:59

on the cameras? Were the cameras useful

33:01

in that situation? Did you find any

33:03

cool things, any anomalies on the cameras

33:05

during this 30-day experiment? Yes,

33:08

a little bit. We've got some eye shine right

33:10

now and I still haven't gone through all the

33:12

footage yet because there's days and days

33:14

and I've got other projects in my life

33:16

as well. So I got to sit down and really force

33:18

myself to go through all the footage but

33:21

there is some interesting stuff. I think I

33:23

sent you a clip too but there's some

33:25

eye shine happening and you can

33:27

see that it's right behind

33:29

where I hung my trash bag and

33:32

my trash bag is five

33:34

feet off the ground and the eye

33:36

shine was basically double that. So

33:39

it seemed like it was at least eight to ten feet off

33:41

the ground and it was weird

33:44

to see it on the camera too because

33:46

it opened really slowly and then closed

33:48

slowly too and it was bright.

33:50

It was like a light. I

33:53

think it's eye glow and eye shine. Are those

33:55

the two terms that they're using? So

33:58

it was more of an eye glow because there was... nothing

34:00

really pointed at it. So it

34:02

was another area on

34:04

a different camera. So it wasn't

34:06

an anomaly, which is cool, that two different cameras

34:09

picked it up in two different spots, but

34:11

there was another eye shine the next night in

34:13

a different area. So not

34:16

a lot of great physical evidence. We did

34:18

find a footprint in the bog. There

34:20

was a lot of vegetation. I was able to

34:23

cast it. It's cool, but again it

34:25

doesn't show the toes really well. The

34:27

way it had stepped onto a

34:30

tuffet, okay, and it had slid

34:32

off the tuffet and created like

34:34

a scrape along the bank of it and then

34:37

down deep into it. But it was like three or

34:39

four inches deep. We were standing out there and we

34:41

weren't even sinking the ground at all. So

34:44

it was cool to see that in person. And

34:46

there was more than one footstep, but only one

34:49

was good enough to cast. The rest of it

34:51

was just down vegetation and a

34:53

slight impression. I do have that.

34:56

Again, not great evidence, but

34:58

I'm excited to try it again. This summer I

35:01

got pre-approval from the wife, my

35:04

manager, to bring the teepee out

35:06

to Colorado. So I've been

35:08

in contact with Jim Meyer of Sasquatch

35:10

Outpost and hopefully he's going to set me

35:12

up in a good location, a hot

35:15

spot, and I think I'm going to

35:17

spend another 30 days in the teepee in Colorado. So

35:20

that'll be exciting. And this time I will

35:22

have Starlink. I've got some extra batteries and

35:24

everything else. So maybe I'll be able to

35:26

keep things up running more than just

35:29

the eight hours. Sounds like

35:31

an awesome summer vacation. Let

35:33

me ask you this Adam. This is something that comes

35:35

up with me all the time. I literally had an

35:37

interview before I hopped on with

35:39

you earlier today with a lady to say

35:41

that her experiences are out there and Woo

35:44

Land is the understatement,

35:46

right? This is one of

35:48

the things I brought up to her when she was

35:50

talking about her experiences. She said something to me about

35:52

learning how to see Sasquatch. And that's something that I've

35:54

heard from people in the past. I've interviewed people who

35:56

have had physical interactions with these

35:58

things. Seen them. even in

36:00

some cases taking pictures of them that were

36:03

somewhat compelling. There's something there, but I've seen

36:05

it afterwards and then this happens a lot.

36:07

I'll have people come on the show and

36:09

they get, let's just be honest,

36:11

they get a little bit of a bump in notoriety

36:13

because people hear their story on my show. When

36:16

tens of thousands of people hear the story, then they

36:18

get into Facebook groups and they're like, oh, that's that

36:20

person you were on Sasquatch Odyssey and then they start

36:22

posting these pictures. And this has happened recently and I

36:24

brought it up to this lady and

36:26

it's sticks and leaves and

36:28

trees and they're clearly

36:30

pointing out that there's a Sasquatch there and

36:33

I don't see it. So

36:35

I asked her this question and I said, you

36:37

know, how is it that you can

36:39

train yourself to see a Sasquatch? Again,

36:41

she thinks there's metaphysical beings and there's

36:44

this whole rabbit hole. But I

36:46

say this to you because you've done these two experiments.

36:48

You did six months with these cameras and then you

36:50

did 30 days out in the woods. I've had this

36:52

conversation with Doug a couple of times about different types

36:54

of cameras and different ways you can use cameras to

36:56

capture this. But why do you think it is

36:59

that it's so difficult for us to get

37:01

any evidence on camera that these things

37:04

are out there doing what they're doing?

37:06

You clearly heard them. Doug saw them

37:08

the first night when you didn't get

37:10

the evidence. Then there's nothing. Do

37:12

you subscribe to these things possibly having

37:15

some sort of sense of where the cameras

37:17

are and being able to play these games?

37:19

I know it's a really subjective long-ass question

37:21

that you probably won't even be able to

37:23

answer but hopefully you get to just

37:26

to what I'm asking here. Do you think there's maybe

37:28

more to these things or why do you think it

37:30

is that it's just so difficult to capture any

37:32

kind of video and or still picture evidence

37:34

of these things? Right. First

37:37

of all, let me address the WU issue. I'm

37:39

never gonna rip on anyone who goes into

37:42

WU land. I do believe that

37:44

could be an avenue that we definitely need to research

37:46

more. But for me, if

37:48

they are metaphysical and they can teleport in

37:51

and teleport out and portal in and portal

37:53

out, I'm never gonna find them.

37:55

I have to believe that they're physical

37:57

animals that we can track and hunt and

37:59

capture. That's what my mission is. I want

38:01

to get some physical evidence on these things

38:04

and my thing is video of course But if

38:06

I can get footprints and DNA that would be

38:08

fantastic as well I'm not training

38:10

myself to see this the stuff in the sticks and

38:12

trees and leaves I want to see what everyone else

38:15

can see I want to have it walk clearly in

38:17

front of my camera and Clearly

38:19

be there like you have something. I

38:22

did get some cool audio But again

38:24

audio is subjective as well the night

38:27

that my wife heard the zipper We analyzed

38:29

the cameras and even though nothing was on the

38:31

camera we could hear it run from the tent

38:34

Over to the camera and breathe heavily

38:37

right near the camera, but again that

38:39

could be easily faked Oh, you just had a

38:41

guy run across the grass and breathe

38:43

into the camera So I'm never gonna present that

38:45

kind of evidence because even though

38:48

I know no one else is up there. That's not

38:50

good evidence The wood stuff

38:52

is great. I can't go there. That's my

38:54

deal I got to stay in the physical

38:56

realm for my research and

38:58

as far as them sensing

39:00

my equipment Yeah, we

39:02

all know that animals migrate. We all know

39:05

they have a great sense of direction We

39:07

know that they probably feel the magnetic pull

39:09

of the earth. That's all common stuff Even

39:12

my son you can spin him around

39:14

and he can point north almost every

39:16

time some people have built in compasses

39:18

for me Can they sense

39:20

Wi-Fi signals? Probably can

39:23

they sense electromagnetic fields?

39:26

Probably so that's one of

39:28

the other parts of the research we have to

39:30

do we have to start using non Wi-Fi cameras

39:32

I'm gonna set them up with Wi-Fi and get

39:34

them all recording But then we have to shield

39:36

a few of the cameras We have

39:38

to learn to disguise them better and get

39:40

them smaller so that they can't physically see

39:42

them I've talked to a couple other

39:45

people about the actual Chemicals that make

39:47

up the plastics and on the shelves of

39:49

the cameras as well. Can they smell that?

39:52

Bears I've heard it when they

39:54

break into cabins They rip open the

39:56

refrigerators because I guess the

39:58

chemicals that they use for the insulation smell

40:00

like something they like to eat. So

40:03

they can smell what's inside the

40:05

refrigerator and it's not the food, it's

40:07

the insulation. So I do

40:10

believe that the animals are definitely have

40:12

keener senses, definitely they're faster, they're stronger.

40:15

That's why I laugh when the other

40:17

researchers come up and they go

40:19

chasing after Bigfoot into in the dark in the

40:21

woods. I'm like, how you nuts? Like

40:24

they're ten times faster than you, they can hide

40:26

better than you, and really you think you're gonna go

40:28

catch them right now? I'm just like, no,

40:31

I'm not playing that game. So my

40:33

whole thing was I'm trying to lead, bring them

40:35

to me. The Sierra sounds caught

40:37

me on that vibe where they were camped

40:40

and they were coming in because they were

40:42

curious about who was camping there and you

40:44

could hear them interacting with the humans. And

40:47

if that's legit, which I do believe the

40:49

Sierra sounds was legit, then you have

40:52

to think maybe they are curious and maybe I

40:54

can gift them or let them know I'm not

40:56

a threat. Unfortunately in the area that

40:58

I was in, hunters do camp

41:00

there and so there are people with

41:02

guns that go there. So maybe that's

41:04

part of the reason why I didn't

41:06

catch. They were really cautious because

41:09

they know that everyone who's up there has a gun. And

41:12

believe it or not, my friend who

41:14

came up with me the first night, he

41:16

starts unloading his ARs from the back of the

41:18

car. I'm like, what are you doing dude? No,

41:20

put those back. No guns. We're not practicing shooting

41:23

up here. No, we're not doing any of that.

41:25

And everyone who came up to visit me had

41:27

weapons on their ATVs and I'm like, okay.

41:30

I was literally in the woods with no

41:32

gun and no car for 30 days. All

41:35

I had was an ATV and a machete. You

41:38

are definitely a brave man, my friend. I want

41:40

to go back and talk a little bit about

41:42

it. I have seen the video of the eye

41:44

glow and I find that

41:47

very interesting because to

41:49

me that's almost into the woo

41:51

territory because I've heard people talk

41:53

about glowing eyes in encounter stories.

41:55

And I always scratch my head

41:57

and I think my brain always

41:59

immediately... goes to Was It Eye Shine?

42:02

In the two videos that I've seen of the

42:04

eye glow that you're describing, which I'll post on

42:06

the website for everybody to check out, go

42:09

over to perinamoreproductions.com, check out the Sasquatch Odyssey blog. It'll

42:11

be right at the top of the page. You can

42:13

see what we're talking about. Those

42:16

eye glow situations, I

42:18

think that's actually the first time I've

42:20

ever seen it documented that well on

42:22

camera, on video. It

42:24

clearly is. Like you said, it's a

42:27

huge glowing light source.

42:30

What do you make of that? Because I know what eye

42:32

shine is. You shine a light and there are

42:34

things in the eyes that reflect

42:36

the light and that's what you're seeing as

42:38

far as eye shine. Deer have a different

42:40

color versus dogs and other animals in the

42:42

wild. This is clearly

42:44

a light source that's illuminating

42:46

itself. Again, we don't know a

42:48

whole lot about these things obviously, so it's subjective. But

42:51

what do you make of the eye glow versus the

42:53

eye shine on these things where they're able

42:55

to show themselves the way that it

42:58

looks like they've shown them on the videos that you have? Yeah.

43:01

I'm not going to rule out eye glow, but

43:03

it still could be, it looks like eye

43:05

glow, but it still could be eye shine

43:08

because they could have

43:10

ultra-reflective eyes and they

43:12

could be reflecting the IR light

43:14

that's either ambient from the cameras

43:16

or whatever. We need to get

43:18

some eyeballs and dissect them to see what

43:21

they're made of. But I would

43:23

have to say if they're nocturnal, just

43:25

dogs and cats, their eyes

43:27

are going to be uber-reflective to

43:30

work at night. If that's the

43:32

case, then why not? Just because

43:34

we can't see in the IR spectrum doesn't

43:36

mean that they can't see in the IR spectrum. And

43:39

it also doesn't mean that IR light isn't bouncing

43:41

off their eyes even from that great distance because

43:43

you can see that they're at least 10, 15

43:46

feet back in the woods there. So

43:49

again, I'm not the guy

43:51

who's posting about this evidence because I don't think it's

43:53

great yet, but it's cool. It's interesting.

43:56

The fact that we're hearing them, they broke a tree in

43:58

the middle of the day when day would

44:00

near me and again could a

44:02

tree break? Sure. But it

44:05

was near me. Oh and I was in my hammock

44:07

and I did hear them growl within five

44:09

feet of me and that was

44:12

crazy but I'm not

44:14

a Bigfoot sound expert so I'm like could

44:16

it have been something else? Is it

44:18

another animal that I think I've heard before? No. So

44:21

again I didn't capture it. I was just hanging out

44:23

in the hammock, killing some time. So

44:25

I'm not all these things up and I'm like okay

44:28

we've got eye shine, we've got tree knocks,

44:30

we've got zipper noises, we've got footprints,

44:32

we've got growls in the hammock.

44:35

All of these things to me, yes

44:37

that area is active. Was

44:39

I lucky enough to catch anyone walking through

44:41

my campsite? I don't think so. But

44:44

I could get lucky. I still haven't gone

44:46

through all the footage. Maybe I've got a

44:48

corner of them walking through. Doug and I

44:50

got really excited a couple times because

44:53

we thought we saw some stuff on camera but

44:55

we had switched the cameras from

44:57

infrared mode to non-infrared so they

45:00

were collecting IR but they weren't

45:02

emitting IR. And when you do that

45:04

change your brain is

45:06

looking for that regular IR reflection and

45:08

we weren't getting it. So we

45:10

saw these shadowy figures crossing past

45:13

the camera and we were like oh my god we're

45:15

finally getting some good evidence. And it

45:17

was probably just a bug walking on the

45:19

lens because it was

45:22

not reflecting the IR light because

45:24

it was illuminated. It was

45:26

just a shadowy thing but I'm just

45:28

like yeah, all right. Again, you

45:31

get really excited. A lot of people like

45:33

you said show you these sticks and these trees that if you

45:35

see it, do you see it? And yeah, your

45:37

brain can see whatever it wants to

45:39

see. But I'm looking for something

45:41

that's a little bit more definitive. I

45:44

am right there with you, ma'am. Good luck in Colorado. You

45:46

gotta promise us if you get something good out there, you

45:48

got to come back on the show and tell us whether

45:50

you get anything good or not. Just come back and talk

45:52

about it. I'd love to have you back on and talk

45:54

about the 30 days in Colorado. I've really had a good time

45:56

having you on the show and sharing your stuff, man. I've had

45:59

a blast talking to you. Thank you. Hopefully,

46:01

I'll be able to stream from live from the teepee and

46:03

you can have behind the show live. That'd

46:06

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46:08

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