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your skincare routine? How

1:00

important is the food that we put

1:02

into our bodies as it relates to

1:04

skincare? Are there any supplements that people

1:06

can take to improve their skin? Are

1:09

there any overhyped skincare tools that just

1:11

don't work? Dr.

1:21

Shaw, welcome to sauna sessions.

1:25

We're not in a sauna, but

1:27

you know, you're in Miami. I'm in Portugal. It's

1:29

hot in both places. Not quite a sauna. Thank

1:31

you for jumping in. Thank you for jumping on.

1:35

How's everything in your life? How's everything? All

1:38

is good. Thank you for having me on.

1:40

In fact, I was in a sauna yesterday

1:42

with one of my friends and it was

1:44

one of these like it was really built

1:47

for one person in our apartment complex. So

1:50

we're just sitting next to each other like

1:52

sardines, essentially not making any eye contact with

1:54

each other, but having a conversation because we're

1:56

just so close. And we spent like 30

1:58

minutes in there and really just. It's

2:00

one of those infrared saunas. I don't know

2:03

if you're a big sauna guy and that's

2:05

why it's called this. So I don't know

2:07

what your experience versus the steam saunas versus

2:09

these infrared saunas. Yeah, I wanted

2:12

to touch on that. Well, we film in

2:14

the infrared, but also I love the dry

2:16

sauna. I do both. I

2:18

switch it up. You know, I try not

2:20

to let my body know my next move.

2:24

So I switch it up from time to

2:26

time. But actually, let's jump into that because

2:28

I'd love to know your routine

2:31

when it comes to first,

2:34

obviously, skincare. You're a world-renowned

2:37

dermatologist. You've got millions of subscribers,

2:39

fans. You give out so much

2:42

valuable information on your YouTube channel.

2:44

I see the plaque behind you.

2:47

You're just crushing it. And

2:49

you know, skincare is such an

2:51

important topic. As a man, I

2:54

never really learned

2:56

about skincare or took care of my

2:58

skin. I just thought, you know, it

3:00

is what it is. Just wash your face in the morning and

3:03

just go about your day. But

3:05

yeah, what's your skincare routine? And

3:07

also, because I know the infrared

3:10

sauna, you know, with the collagen

3:12

that it stimulates, apparently, is that

3:14

a thing that you do as well?

3:16

I think with skincare, you really have

3:19

to be deliberate, especially if you've ever

3:21

walked into a Sephora or an Ulta

3:23

or whatever they have in Portugal nowadays

3:25

is like the major retailer for skincare.

3:27

There are so many options, and

3:30

they range from inexpensive to very, very expensive.

3:32

And I think a lot of people believe

3:34

that if you spend more money on skincare,

3:36

that your skin is somehow going to be

3:38

better. But on

3:40

social media, when we first started creating content,

3:42

we were really trying to cut through a lot of

3:45

the noise that was out there in the beauty space

3:47

because we really felt like people were being scammed or

3:49

they were spending a lot of money on products that

3:51

didn't work or weren't appropriate for them. So

3:53

to start off with all people, I could

3:55

tell you my skincare routine. I will go through

3:57

that in a second here, but I do think

3:59

anyone... listening to this is going to think, well, if I

4:01

follow his routine, my skin will be like his. So

4:04

the reason why I intro with that is because my

4:07

issues with skin is that I'm trying to

4:09

improve my skin texture and

4:11

I'm trying to have anti-aging benefits with

4:13

my skin care, get rid of wrinkles,

4:15

fine lines, and just age in a

4:17

healthy way. So if those are

4:19

your goals, similar to mine, then the routine will fit

4:21

for you. But if your goals are to

4:23

treat acne or hyperpigmentation or other skin

4:26

conditions, it's not going to be the best

4:28

routine for you. So for

4:30

me, I have the simplest skin care routine,

4:32

the three-step skin care routine. I start with

4:34

a very gentle cleanser. It can be from

4:36

any brand that you find a gentle cleanser

4:39

from. They're very reputable brands, but you can

4:41

really spend under 20 USD for

4:43

something like this. Erosch-Posay,

4:45

CeraVe, great brands. Then

4:48

I use a treatment that's targeting

4:50

wrinkles and texture. This can

4:52

range from something like Tretinoin, which is a

4:54

prescription retinoid, an over-the-counter retinol or

4:56

something exfoliating like lactic acid or glycolic

4:59

acid at night, then follow with a

5:01

moisturizer. So three steps. And

5:03

then in the morning, cleanser, and then

5:05

sunscreen. And that's really all that

5:07

I use in my daily skin care routine. Now

5:09

there are other things that I'll do, like

5:12

you mentioned, that I'll use LED

5:14

light, I'll use, I'll

5:16

have some procedures done in the office like

5:18

microneedling. But the core of my

5:21

routine, my daily thing

5:23

that's going to keep my skin healthy is

5:25

that simple three-step skin care routine day and

5:28

night. That's awesome. Okay. Well,

5:30

I have a question, personal question for you because

5:33

I've done a lot of research on

5:35

skin care and tried a bunch of

5:37

different products. And it

5:39

seems to me, my

5:41

experience is like, I'm very

5:44

simple like you. I don't even have a three-step. I

5:46

just have, I still have kind of like a, when

5:49

I feel like it, I do some, put

5:51

some like Noxema or something

5:53

moisturizer on. I

5:55

do have like a retinol too and

5:57

like a vitamin C. notice

6:00

is like I'm a bit I get

6:02

a bit scared because I found

6:05

that when I start putting products on my

6:07

skin I get a

6:09

pimple or pimples like in the next few

6:11

days. What is that? And I

6:14

don't know if that's a common thing or if it's just

6:16

me. Why does it why does it

6:18

happen like that? There's two things that could be happening

6:20

with that and this is a common occurrence which is

6:22

why a lot of people do feel like the skincare

6:25

I guess industry is a scam

6:27

because they try products and then

6:29

their skin gets worse and they sort of wonder

6:31

like why even buy products like

6:33

am I just now complicating my routine

6:36

for no additional benefit but if

6:38

you really know what you're looking for what products

6:40

to look for and understand how the skin works

6:42

it all can kind of make a little bit

6:44

sense. So there's two reasons why you may suddenly

6:46

start breaking out once you start using skincare products.

6:49

One you're using a product that is comedogenic or

6:51

what we call poor clogging.

6:53

So you're putting something

6:56

on the skin it's essentially trapping dirt,

6:58

debris, bacteria into your pores and that

7:00

leads to a pimple to form. So

7:03

you want to look for products

7:05

that say that they're non-comedogenic it's really not a perfect

7:07

science because doesn't mean that it's not going to clog

7:09

your pores maybe you're a little bit more sensitive than

7:11

other people. And the second reason that

7:13

can happen and this is probably the

7:15

more common reason say for example you start using

7:18

a retinol. And retinol has

7:20

anti-aging benefits it boosts collagen but what it

7:22

also does is it speeds up the

7:25

skin cell turnover. So normally your skin

7:27

starts at the basement layer of the

7:29

skin and it reproduces basically

7:31

every 28 days where immature

7:33

skin cells starts at the bottom and then becomes

7:36

a mature skin cell and then it becomes the

7:38

top layer of the skin and this happens usually

7:40

over a month period. Well let's say that you

7:42

start using a retinol and that speeds up the

7:44

skin cell turnover process to let's say half. So

7:47

now your skin is turning over every 14 days.

7:49

So if you have something trapped underneath the

7:52

skin like a pimple that's giving you texture

7:54

to your skin but it's not fully out

7:56

it's not a fully a pimple yet it's

7:58

gonna accelerate the release of that. pimple.

8:01

Now it may look like your skin is getting

8:03

worse at first but really what it's doing is

8:05

it's pushing all that out so that

8:07

your skin will be clear in the coming days

8:09

and so you have to kind of get through

8:11

that period but a lot of people quit at

8:13

month one because their skin looks worse and so

8:16

you got to get to month three where all

8:18

of those pimples that were trapped underneath the skin

8:20

get pushed out essentially. Interesting. Okay okay okay got

8:22

it got it I guess it's kind of like

8:24

growing a beard right like you got to get

8:27

through the part where it looks

8:29

crazy. That's a

8:31

perfect thing I've never seen anyone make

8:33

that example but that's a

8:35

perfect example for men because you're

8:37

right during that scraggly phase the the beards can

8:39

look horrible right and you just like if I

8:41

get it through I keep brushing it I keep

8:43

applying my beard oil you know when you get

8:46

to the other side of it it's gonna look

8:48

better but a lot of people they quit because

8:50

they're like I can't do this for the next

8:52

two weeks. Got it

8:54

got it one more product that I

8:57

also use that I think David Sinclair

8:59

had recommend he's like a Harvard

9:02

professor anti-aging longevity

9:04

specialist hyaluronic acid.

9:06

What do you think about that?

9:09

Yeah so hyaluronic acid has gotten a

9:11

lot of hype it has almost become

9:13

like a buzzword in products if you

9:15

really look at most of your moisturizers

9:17

that are out there like your simple

9:19

drugstore moisturizers most of them

9:21

are gonna have hyaluronic acid or

9:24

something that works similar to hyaluronic acid as

9:26

a moisturizer. Now hyaluronic acid alone

9:28

can actually cause a lot of problems with

9:30

people's skin and I don't think it's like

9:33

a very important part of a skincare routine.

9:35

For example like before I would shoot a

9:37

video like this applying hyaluronic acid could be

9:40

nice because it's gonna pump your skin it's

9:42

gonna give you that dewy glow it's gonna

9:44

be that hydrated glow but it's only gonna

9:46

last a few hours it's not gonna really

9:48

have any long-term benefits on the skin and

9:50

so hyaluronic acid is a humectant which holds

9:52

on to water and basically

9:54

it's pulling all the water around you into

9:56

it so if you live in a very

9:58

dry climate it can... realizing

12:00

the benefits of turmeric on the skin. So I

12:02

do think that we believe

12:04

we know everything in Western

12:06

medicine, but really it's that

12:08

ancient wisdom that, and I can

12:10

give you some examples of this where we've actually

12:13

discovered things from ancient medicine that turned

12:15

out to be very medicinal in Western medicine as

12:17

well. And so

12:19

there is wisdom in that for sure. I just

12:21

don't think it applies across the board. Like I

12:23

was saying, I like spicy food, right? And I

12:25

put chili peppers and everything and like you wouldn't

12:27

want to put that on your skin, right? Like

12:30

we can agree with that, right? Just because like it's

12:32

safe for consumption doesn't mean it's safe for the skin

12:34

and vice versa, right? Just because it's safe for the

12:36

skin doesn't mean it's going to be, you know, safe

12:38

for consumption. So there's lots of,

12:40

lots of things that are basically synthetically created

12:44

in a lab that have been shown to be extremely safe

12:46

and extremely effective for the skin and

12:49

putting food on the skin. It's

12:51

actually an interesting study that they've actually done on this. So some

12:54

people will buy turmeric powder and

12:56

they'll create their own home remedies with it and put it

12:58

on the face. And they've

13:01

actually tested turmeric in the stores because

13:03

the active component of turmeric is curcumin.

13:06

And they've looked at different types of turmeric powders

13:08

that you can find in a store. And

13:11

they've compared the concentration of curcumin between one powder

13:13

batch and another powder batch and it can vary

13:15

up to 500%. And

13:18

so there's no standardization between the powder

13:20

of turmeric you're finding in

13:22

the store. And if you

13:25

buy a skincare product that says it has this

13:27

percentage of turmeric in it, it's going to be

13:29

consistently that percent most of the time. And so

13:31

I do think compounding these into a formula that

13:33

makes sense is probably where you're going to see

13:35

the best benefits over creating these home remedies that

13:37

you see in Ayurvedic medicine.

13:40

So I think the best world

13:42

is where you take the wisdom

13:44

from Ayurvedic medicine, combine it with

13:46

skincare products that we can actually

13:48

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13:50

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for the holidays, but doesn't have time to

15:01

shop. I've got parties and presents and cooking

15:03

and bird watching. I can't miss that. Lucky

15:06

for Jack, he can find the latest looks

15:08

and designer frames at the same place he

15:10

shops for the holidays. Walmart? Walmart. So I

15:12

can get flashy frames for holiday parties? Yep.

15:14

And practical frames for every day? Yeah. And

15:16

transition frames for my birding? Sure. Wow, a

15:19

Finch. That's the microphone, Jack. Make Walmart your

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for more details. Well

15:28

I guess on that note how important

15:31

you know we're talking about food here.

15:33

How important is the food that we

15:35

put in into our bodies as it

15:37

relates to skin care and skin health

15:40

I guess? This is something we where

15:42

we are just super far behind in

15:44

the science of dermatology is understanding the

15:46

relationship between the gut, gut

15:49

health, nutrition, and

15:51

skin health. And as you

15:53

can imagine it can be a sort of a

15:56

difficult science right? So say for example you're trying

15:59

to study whether or not chocolate causes acne. This

16:01

has been debated for a long time.

16:04

But I eat some chocolate as

16:06

part of a study but I'm not

16:08

only gonna eat chocolate for a month,

16:10

right? So I'm gonna drink some dairy.

16:12

I'm also going to have some fried

16:14

chicken. I'm also going to eat

16:17

a quesadilla and by the

16:19

end of this one month study where I'm

16:21

trying to decide whether or not chocolate is

16:23

increasing my acne, it becomes very difficult to

16:26

standardize whether or not there's something else confounding

16:28

this that's causing my acne.

16:30

And so it's just so difficult to

16:32

know that there's a core like to

16:34

prove a correlation between certain foods and bad

16:37

skin and certain foods and good skin. There's

16:39

just way too many confounding variables. I

16:42

do feel strongly so you'll see some people

16:44

online dermatologists especially say that diet does not

16:46

play a big role in the skin. I

16:48

kind of differ from that because I look

16:50

at the body as like one giant unit,

16:53

right? You're not separate from the different systems

16:55

of your body. If you're not taking care

16:57

of your heart, it's gonna reflect in your

16:59

kidneys, it's gonna reflect in your liver, it's

17:01

also gonna reflect in your skin. And so

17:03

I always say what's good for the heart

17:06

is also probably gonna be good for the

17:08

skin and one of the best things

17:10

for the heart is the Mediterranean diet.

17:12

And so it's an anti-inflammatory diet and

17:14

anti-inflammatory diets tend to be beneficial

17:16

in my opinion for the skin. Love

17:18

the Mediterranean diet. It got popular.

17:20

There was a Netflix doc recently

17:22

that came out, Blue Zone, damn

17:25

butaners work that has been like

17:27

decades of work traveling the world.

17:29

And yeah, just I think it's

17:31

proven. It really is kind of

17:33

the best diet we got out

17:35

there. So much evidence. What about

17:37

supplements? Are there any you know

17:39

collagen peptides or MSM?

17:41

Are there any supplements that people can

17:43

take to improve their skin? Yeah, I've

17:45

seen a lot on this as well

17:47

and supplements are just

17:50

a tough space because again

17:52

there's so many conflicting variables between

17:54

what you're taking and what else

17:56

you're taking and and but theoretically

17:58

right you know if you take something,

18:00

you ingest something into the body, it could potentially

18:03

help the skin. The issue is, is it going

18:05

to actually travel to the skin? Is it a

18:07

concentration that's high enough that's going to have effect

18:09

on the skin? It's all

18:11

a very, very difficult science. Now, some

18:13

people will say taking resveratrol can have

18:15

anti-aging benefits if you take it by

18:17

mouth. And then some recent studies basically

18:19

disproved that. And so it seems to

18:21

go again back and forth with all

18:23

of this. For example, like zinc has

18:25

been shown to help with acne, niacinamide

18:28

or vitamin B3 has been helpful for acne.

18:30

But then you'll find another study where it

18:32

says that it's basically inconclusive, whether it's helpful.

18:34

There are studies that say that biotin is

18:37

good for hair growth. And then there's a

18:39

bunch of other studies that say biotin doesn't

18:41

help at all with hair growth. And so

18:43

you're kind of stuck as a scientist who

18:46

wants to be accurate more often than

18:48

they're not accurate. So as a content

18:50

creator, that's a science-backed content creator, every

18:52

time you make content that then becomes

18:54

disproven, it hurts your credibility a

18:57

little bit. And it's not because you're wrong,

18:59

it's just because the science is constantly changing

19:01

because it's not concrete. And so when we

19:03

talk about nutrition in the skin, you're going

19:05

to oftentimes be wrong more often

19:07

than you're going to be right just because, like

19:09

I said, it's very, very difficult to prove. Now,

19:12

I think turmeric is helpful for the skin. I

19:15

think zinc is probably helpful for the skin. These

19:17

collagen peptides initially, I was very much against

19:20

them because to me it didn't make too

19:22

much sense. Now, some evolving

19:24

science has maybe shifted me a little

19:26

bit more open to the idea. So

19:28

this is another thing where I think

19:30

as somebody who's a science creator, you

19:32

need to have the humility to be

19:34

wrong and you need to have the

19:36

humility to change to adapting science. And

19:38

so the idea with collagen peptides

19:40

and what my criticism was if you take

19:42

collagen, which is a very large molecule, there's

19:45

almost no way on earth that that peptide is

19:47

going to travel to the skin and deposit itself

19:49

in the skin and give you healthier skin. I'm

19:51

like, there's just no way. Scientifically, it doesn't make

19:53

any sense. Now, there's new data coming out saying

19:56

that basically if you cut down the collagen

19:58

into tiny little peptides that those

20:01

peptides can travel to the skin

20:03

and it basically tells your

20:05

body that you have damaged collagen because they're

20:08

only fragments of collagen, if that makes sense.

20:11

And having fragments of collagen give you the

20:13

building blocks and can also stimulate your body

20:15

to say, hey, you need to create more

20:17

collagen because you're having some collagen breakdown because

20:20

we see these little peptides that are signaling to our

20:22

body that you need to make more collagen. That theory

20:24

makes a little bit of sense to me. Now the

20:26

question is, what brand do you buy? I have no

20:28

idea. That's why I draw the line. I'm

20:31

like, maybe collagen peptides can be beneficial. I just would

20:33

need to find a brand that I would think would

20:35

be reputable and would make sense and would have the

20:37

right peptides to actually work in the

20:40

skin. You're really pure when it comes to the

20:42

science. You're not dogmatic. And

20:44

a lot of people practice not science,

20:46

but scientism. We can get locked into

20:49

this disbelief. And science is provisional.

20:51

It always changes. And yeah, you

20:53

said it can hurt your credibility,

20:56

but I think it enhances it

20:58

to be able to show. Actually

21:02

I changed my mind on this because new

21:04

data came out to be

21:07

that flexible and malleable. It should.

21:10

It should. It should. But you know how the

21:12

internet works, right? So say, for example, I make

21:14

a video and I

21:16

say, oral collagen supplements are

21:18

useless. And I

21:21

say it with

21:23

a lot of gravitas, right? And

21:25

someone cuts that and then they put it next

21:27

to my most recent video. I'm like, this is

21:29

the be all end all, right? And

21:32

so there is a point where people say,

21:34

well, you said this before and now you're

21:36

saying this. And are you now saying this

21:38

because you're getting paid to say this? And

21:40

I think people are skeptical because they've been burned by

21:43

a lot of people that they've trusted online. And

21:46

so you just have to, and I think part of

21:48

it is being transparent and saying, hey, I

21:50

was wrong because of this and I'm not in

21:52

a sponsored way. You need to like sort of

21:55

bring your audience along for the journey. And I

21:57

do think that people will give you grace if

21:59

you. bring along for the journey. Yeah,

22:02

100%. And I

22:04

mean, a true scientist, I don't think ever

22:06

comes to a conclusion. I think that you

22:09

have to use language like appears to be

22:11

the evidence suggests such and such, but

22:13

it's no certainties. But yeah, the internet is a

22:15

wild place, man. I've been on it for 15

22:18

years, which I'll everything

22:21

and make you look crazy. Exactly.

22:24

Speaking of crazy, what

22:27

crazy ideas do

22:29

you feel like we have when

22:32

it comes to skincare should be changed? Are

22:34

there any myths? I think every

22:36

industry has them, right? Like you look at

22:39

the fitness industry, it's like waste trainers. Are

22:41

there any overhyped skincare tools that

22:44

just don't work? Yeah, there's

22:46

quite a bit out there. You know,

22:48

the beauty industry is booming. Everybody wants

22:50

to look younger. Everybody wants to have

22:52

perfect skin. And so it's

22:54

easy to sell people to create

22:57

insecurities and then essentially sell them

22:59

the solution. Right? You know,

23:01

we see things all the time that say, Hey,

23:03

you know, do you have this and oh, well,

23:06

we have the remedy for this, right? And then

23:08

now all of a sudden, you're thinking about this

23:10

thing. And you're like, I wasn't even worried about

23:13

it. And now that you've pointed it out, I

23:15

feel like I have to do something about this.

23:17

And so there's a lot

23:19

of that, right? You know, if you think about the

23:21

basics, right, if a lot of my male followers, you

23:24

know, are really, Hey, I just want

23:26

to know what I have to do. So I don't

23:28

get skin cancer. I don't, you know, I don't, you

23:30

know, really look a lot older than my age, because my

23:32

skin is not healthy. And so, you

23:34

know, I think the simplicity of it is that

23:37

if you just use sunscreen and a cleanser, you

23:39

know, you're probably going to be better off than

23:41

90% of people that are even spending a lot

23:43

more money on skincare because they're missing sort of

23:45

the basic steps. So in the

23:48

simplest form, you know, cleanser sunscreen, you're

23:50

really just going to be fine at that point.

23:52

But I would say that there's a lot out

23:54

there that just simply doesn't work. You'll see all

23:57

these different types of facial tools that people scrape

23:59

over the skin. you'll see these microcurrent

24:01

devices that have really not been proven. You'll

24:04

see all kinds of different masks and

24:06

lights and things that just simply don't

24:08

work. You'll see all these different

24:12

skincare products that will be called like

24:14

the cloud moisturizer or something

24:16

like that and it's like what's the cloud moisturizer,

24:18

what does that do? There's so

24:20

much stuff like that and so the

24:23

myths that I always like to debunk

24:25

are one, you don't need expensive skincare.

24:27

Two, you don't need a complex skincare

24:29

routine. Three, you don't need all

24:32

these devices unless it actually makes sense

24:34

how they work. It's interesting because we

24:36

started this conversation with infrared and

24:38

light essentially and light is actually one

24:40

of the few types of

24:43

devices that have been proven through

24:45

stimulation of collagen like you had mentioned earlier.

24:48

So LED, especially red

24:50

light, can stimulate fibroblasts to produce more collagen

24:52

which can have anti-aging benefits and this has

24:54

been shown to many many different studies and

24:56

so when you take something like that you

24:58

see a light based device you're probably thinking

25:00

to yourself this is bogus right but then

25:03

it's the challenge of the brands and industry

25:05

to prove to us that it works and

25:07

give us good science that you know why

25:09

does it work, how does it work and

25:11

does it make sense, is it worth wasting

25:13

your money on it and so I do

25:16

think the LED industry has done a good job

25:18

proving that where a lot of other skincare devices

25:20

out there have not done a good job proving

25:22

that. So really I think like

25:24

I said simplicity is key but then

25:26

these other devices you can add in

25:28

but you know most of them are

25:31

gonna be a scam and they're probably not gonna be worth your

25:33

money especially if you're not consistent with them. Mmm-hmm

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26:36

it comes to that? So infrared

26:38

is, I believe the wavelength

26:40

is above 750 nanometers. Now

26:43

the science with infrared and

26:45

anti-aging, it's there for sure. It's

26:47

been shown to be beneficial. There's

26:50

more studies on red light, which is more

26:52

in like 600 to 700 nanometer wavelength. I

26:56

like the masks that do essentially

26:58

red light for anti-aging and in that 600

27:01

to 700 nanometer range.

27:03

The one that I like the most is from Cure, Q-U-R-E. It's

27:07

affordable. It's at least more affordable than most of

27:09

the options out there. It syncs with the app.

27:11

It also does blue light for acne. It

27:14

has more lights than most of them do. I think

27:16

that that one is a really good one. And then

27:18

getting them done at the office too can be powerful

27:21

as well. But what you really want to look for,

27:23

especially in the United States, is something that's quote unquote

27:25

FDA cleared. And so that kind of holds up to

27:27

the standards of matching what you

27:29

need at the power that you need in order for

27:32

it to be safe and effective for the skin. And

27:34

so there are a lot of FDA cleared masks out

27:36

there. Find one that's affordable, one that you like. Be

27:38

consistent with it. Do I think

27:40

it's necessary? Again, it's an addition. It definitely

27:42

has benefits. But if you were going

27:44

to put your money towards the device, I do think that

27:46

LED would be the way to go. Do

30:00

you need to be obsessive to the point, you know that

30:02

we were having this debate on our channel? You

30:04

know someone who my partner who I do

30:07

YouTube with was saying that he's gonna start

30:09

putting sunscreen in his hair Because

30:11

he's gonna find a hair sunscreen and

30:14

I'm like, well, that's a little bit ridiculous You

30:16

know, like I mean how much sun exposures are

30:18

scalps getting if you have hair? It's actually it's

30:20

actually some It's definitely some but it's minimal right

30:22

like that If you're bald you can definitely get

30:24

a lot of sun exposure to the point where

30:26

you're getting sunburns and I'll see even skin cancers

30:28

We see a lot of skin cancers on

30:31

the scalp So I don't

30:33

think that you need to be obsessive

30:35

where you're applying sunscreen every two hours

30:37

every day all over the body a

30:40

Little bit of sun exposure is probably not going to

30:42

hurt you in a material way. I Do

30:45

like when people get in the habit of wearing

30:47

sunscreen at least once a day on the face

30:49

and on the hands Just to prevent that one

30:51

to get in the habit of it So you're

30:53

doing it especially when you're getting high UV exposure

30:56

But also just because I do think that it

30:58

is a major contributor to aging skin cancer

31:00

and hyperpigmentation You

31:03

do this is a fact the major source

31:05

of vitamin D comes from the Sun so,

31:07

you know cholesterol on your skin is converted to Vitamin

31:10

D from sun exposure and so about 80%

31:13

of the vitamin D in your body actually

31:15

comes from sun exposure Under normal

31:17

conditions even people who don't wear sunscreen though

31:19

are a lot of times especially in the

31:21

West vitamin D deficient So, you

31:24

know even when not wearing sunscreen a lot of

31:26

people are vitamin D deficient and there's really no

31:28

evidence that wearing sunscreen Contributes

31:31

to vitamin D deficiency because you're still gonna

31:33

get exposure through your clothes You're still gonna

31:35

get exposure through your scalp and other areas

31:37

And so I so you so a lot

31:39

of people worry about vitamin D I do

31:41

think you'll get enough sun exposure to create enough

31:44

vitamin D And if you weren't and a lot

31:46

of people aren't even without sunscreen Taking

31:48

a vitamin D supplement is safer than baking out

31:50

in the Sun to get your vitamin D levels

31:52

where they are I also

31:54

think that sun exposure does contribute to mood, right?

31:56

So if you get some sun exposure especially

32:00

seasonally, it does help with people's mood. So I don't

32:02

want people to just like stay in a dark room

32:04

all day just because you're gonna get a wrinkle or

32:06

a dark spot or you

32:08

know maybe get a little sun exposure that's gonna

32:10

mutate a cell. I really don't think that that's

32:12

worth it. You have to live your life and

32:15

enjoy life and the beauty of life and you

32:17

have to smile more and when you smile more

32:19

you get wrinkles and that's okay. So you know

32:21

there is definitely a balance between all of this.

32:23

I don't think that sunscreens are toxic the way

32:25

that you know the some media has made it

32:28

out to be. I do think that they

32:30

are protective. I do think the sun causes issues

32:32

with the skin but I do think that

32:34

people kind of go overboard

32:36

with the sunscreen thing if that makes sense.

32:39

That was a long rant to basically say

32:41

that there's a balance I guess in life.

32:43

That's interesting. Yeah because I never I put

32:45

on sunscreen maybe a handful of times in

32:48

my entire life. You know hearing your work

32:50

and you know the things I hear just

32:53

on the science of it as far as

32:55

aging to the neck that's a great point.

32:57

The neck aging is crucial

32:59

in the hand. So you suggest if you

33:01

put on and I guess the same would

33:03

apply for your skincare regimen as well not

33:05

just the face but also the neck. You

33:07

should put the same things on the neck and

33:10

the hands. Yeah so

33:12

bringing your skincare routine to other

33:14

parts of the body especially if

33:16

you have excess is a

33:18

really easy way to because one of

33:20

the things we see again too is a

33:23

lot of people's necks will look a lot older

33:25

than their face because a lot of people are

33:27

using their sunscreens on their face and then they

33:29

neglect their neck and their neck looks older and

33:31

then they want to fix that and it's always

33:34

difficult to it's always difficult to treat. It's better

33:36

to prevent almost always and so if you have

33:38

extra sunscreen for sure bring it down to the

33:40

neck. If you have extra retinol for sure bring

33:42

it down to the neck and onto the hands.

33:44

Now the neck can be a little bit more

33:46

sensitive than the face so you just be cautious

33:48

with some of the stronger actives that we have

33:50

out there but most of the time people can

33:53

tolerate most of the stuff they put on their

33:55

face on the neck and so there's no harm

33:57

and actually quite a lot of benefit of bringing

33:59

your tires. skin care routine from your face down

34:01

to your neck and onto the back of the

34:03

hands for sure. That's incredible. Yeah,

34:05

that's a game changer for me. I

34:07

had not known, but it makes total

34:10

sense. It makes total sense. Wow.

34:13

You're part of, he was thinking about

34:15

sunscreen on the scalp. And

34:17

scalp health, I think, is also something that,

34:20

I don't know if it gets a lot

34:22

of mainstream attention. I actually

34:24

found out recently something about

34:27

dandruff. The dandruff was

34:29

actually, it was caused by fungus, which

34:31

I was like, I thought it was just

34:34

dry skin or something like that. Was actually

34:36

caused by a fungus. Are there any healthy

34:40

scalp tips? A lot of people,

34:43

they don't think about the

34:45

relationship between the scalp and

34:47

the hair and how

34:50

the scalp is essentially the skin and

34:52

the scalp is like, let's say that

34:54

it's like a plant and the flowers

34:58

is the hair that comes out of it.

35:02

Well, the scalp then essentially is like the

35:04

soil. And if the

35:06

soil is not healthy, then the hair

35:08

is not going to be healthy either. And

35:11

I think dandruff is a great example of this.

35:13

Like you mentioned, it is caused by a yeast

35:15

or a fungus on the skin that

35:17

overgrows and that overgrowth leads to

35:20

inflammation and that inflammation leads to

35:22

flaking of the skin on the

35:24

scalp. And so a lot

35:26

of people think, okay, well, what if

35:28

I just exfoliate away the dead skin

35:31

cells, but you've not treated the root

35:33

cause, which is the fungus. And so

35:35

you're just constantly going to be exfoliating and it's

35:37

going to grow back. But if you treat the

35:39

root cause, which is that overgrowth of yeast and

35:42

fungus, your scalp will be

35:44

healthier, your hair will be healthier, and that flaking

35:46

will go away. And so trying to identify with

35:48

the root cause of issues is super critical. I

35:50

do think it's actually interesting that you've identified this.

35:53

And I don't know how much you focus on

35:55

the beauty industry, but I kind

35:57

of watch it like every day, right? And what's

35:59

coming in. and what people are focusing on.

36:01

And there has been a massive shift over

36:03

this year towards hair

36:06

more than we've ever seen before. And I

36:08

kind of predicted that this would happen because

36:10

I felt like skincare was getting really saturated

36:13

and that people would start focusing on hair

36:15

care and bond repair because before that, we

36:17

only had maybe one or two brands that

36:19

were actually focusing on that. Like you had

36:22

a brand called Olaplex that focused a lot

36:24

on repairing the shaft

36:26

of the hair and leading to

36:28

healthier hair. And now you have this boom. So

36:30

if you walk into Sephora now, almost

36:33

everything that's new and growing, like their

36:35

what's new category, it's almost all hair

36:37

products now because a lot of people

36:39

are focusing on scalp health and hair.

36:42

So I think you've sort of identified this

36:44

really growing niche here that I think a

36:46

lot of consumers aren't really recognizing happening in

36:49

the industry, but people are starting to treat

36:51

their scalps the way that they treat

36:53

the rest of their skin. And if you're somebody

36:55

who, I don't know if you, growing up used

36:57

to spend a lot of time in the shower

37:00

or the bath where you'd read the bottles of

37:02

the backs of shampoo bottles at all. I don't know

37:05

if you've ever done that before. Not me, man. No,

37:07

okay. So I used to lay in the bath

37:10

and I would just read all the names and

37:12

I'm like, wow, that's a long name. Like what

37:14

does that mean? I try to like memorize the

37:16

back of shampoo bottles and maybe that's where my

37:18

ingredient focus and passion. The reason why I bring

37:20

that up is because for

37:22

three years I've been educating on the skin

37:24

and I'm always telling people, avoid this ingredient,

37:27

look for this ingredient. This ingredient

37:29

is gonna cause a lot of irritation and allergy,

37:31

this one is really good. And

37:33

then you look at the back of your shampoo bottles

37:35

or your conditioner bottles and they go away from, they

37:38

move away from everything that we believe about

37:40

good, healthy skin, right? They use very strong

37:42

surfactants, which is what's gonna remove the dirt

37:44

debris, but they're very strong in irritating to

37:46

the scalp, but they're not just irritating to

37:48

the scalp. Those things strip down onto the

37:50

face and onto the back and cause issues.

37:53

These are a lot of very comedogenic or

37:55

poor clogging ingredients, which then if you have

37:57

long hair, those long hairs are gonna sit on

37:59

your back back acne, we have

38:01

a lot of fragrances, we have a

38:03

lot of allergens in these hair care

38:05

products that by just

38:07

the nature of you washing them off are going to trickle

38:09

down to the rest of your body and so now

38:12

you're seeing this sort of revolution in hair care that's

38:14

happening and I'm really glad to see it as a

38:16

dermatologist because I do think hair care

38:19

products were causing more issues than people

38:21

realize. It actually has got me thinking about

38:23

laundry detergents as well because that is all

38:25

over your skin right? Once you wash your

38:27

clothes with it goes on your skin, do

38:29

you have any knowledge or insight into that?

38:32

It's so funny that you mentioned this. I think

38:34

you've basically cracked the whole skin care industry on

38:36

this podcast and not even realize that it

38:39

all makes sense right? Because you're thinking

38:41

okay what else am I coming in

38:43

contact with that could potentially be causing

38:45

problems? My body wash, my deodorant, my

38:48

perfumes but one of the things that

38:50

people never think about again is your

38:52

laundry detergent and dermatology we think about

38:54

this because we see the worst of

38:56

the worst and that's part of

38:58

the reason why I do think dermatologists

39:01

are a little bit biased when they create

39:03

content. Hardly anyone comes into the dermatologist because

39:05

they just have healthy skin and want to

39:07

say hi to you right? They come to

39:09

you with a pathology. They come to you

39:11

with a problem. They want you to

39:13

solve that problem and a lot

39:15

of that at times is people have developed

39:18

an allergic reaction or they have eczema or

39:20

atopic dermatitis where their skin barrier is really

39:22

disrupted and so they're coming to you because

39:24

they have this problem. They want you to

39:26

fix it. So with that being

39:29

said a lot of what we see in dermatology

39:31

is the worst case scenarios of everything which is

39:33

why we're like oh you have to wear sunscreen

39:35

every minute of every day it's because we see

39:37

the people with skin cancers all the time. Well

39:39

we don't see the people that don't have

39:41

skin cancers right? So the people that do

39:44

fine aren't coming into the dermatologist because

39:46

their skin is fine. So we see

39:48

these very extreme forms of everything and

39:51

part of our education especially on people who have

39:53

sensitive skin who are breaking out in rashes all

39:55

the time. There's groups of people who have what

39:57

we call eczema that come in

40:00

and they're constantly breaking out in itchy

40:02

rashes all over the body. And

40:04

they have to limit everything that they come in

40:06

contact with that could be potentially a problem. And

40:09

we a lot of times will start with, OK, what

40:11

type of cleansers are using, what kind of moisturizers are

40:13

using, what kind of hand soaps are you using? And

40:15

then part of that discussion always goes to what laundry

40:18

detergent are you using and what's in it? And so

40:20

you've sort of come to the idea that

40:23

everything you come in contact with can be a problem.

40:26

And so there are brands of laundry

40:28

detergents like Free and Clear that

40:30

reduce the allergens, right? They're fragrance free. And

40:33

a lot of our patients

40:35

with eczema end up on these very

40:37

gentle forms of detergents for this very

40:39

reason that you explained. How often would

40:41

you say somebody should come in to

40:45

get a checkup by

40:47

dermatologists or get checked for skin

40:49

cancer, very common cancer? How often would

40:51

you say we should get checked? There's

40:53

no real actual recommendation based

40:55

on all the science that's out there. What I would

40:58

say is if you have a problem come in, especially

41:01

if you're trying to solve it at home

41:03

and you really haven't, it

41:05

hasn't gotten better. And that could be

41:07

anything, right? Like how much it bothers you. If you

41:09

have mild acne, like a few bumps that come up

41:11

and it really bothers you and you just can't fix

41:14

it with what's available online, then come see us. If

41:16

you have severe acne and it's scarring, come see us

41:18

for sure. If you have a weird bump on

41:20

your skin and you're not sure what it is

41:22

and your wife or your significant

41:24

other or your mom is telling you go

41:26

get that thing checked out, it's weird. Go

41:29

get it checked out for sure because we

41:31

see all kinds of weird cancers like that.

41:33

So there are times where it's an emergency to

41:35

come in and sometimes it's just kind of a

41:38

luxury to come in and get checked up and

41:40

get something fixed or repaired or something you don't

41:42

like. And so for the most part, most people,

41:45

I would say come in with a problem. As

41:47

far as the checkup, I think if you have a

41:49

family history of skin cancer, a personal

41:51

history of skin cancer, if

41:53

you are somebody who goes out on the

41:55

sun and gets burnt often because you have

41:57

much lighter skin tones, then I check up

41:59

at least. Yeah,

44:00

yeah, yeah. Okay. Be careful with those for

44:02

sure, you know, cuz you're breaking holes in

44:04

the skin So, you know definitely get more

44:06

infections more issues, but make sure that the

44:09

device is clean I'm always a little cautious

44:11

with those I got to build you a

44:13

routine at this point So I'll send you

44:15

I'll send you a message afterwards with some

44:18

products. I recommend and we'll

44:20

start out What's your issues and then I'll

44:22

send you a routine that that

44:24

if you stick on it for three months She'll be happy

44:26

with the results for sure. I love

44:29

it, man. I would appreciate that. I love

44:31

that glow I want to have that, you

44:33

know that nice glow cuz I and also

44:35

I eat pretty healthy I eat clean, you

44:37

know, so I think that's I don't have

44:39

too many issues But it's like man once

44:41

I start uses putting stuff on my face.

44:43

That's when the issues start What about

44:45

exfoliants like would you like how often

44:47

should you exfoliate the skin? Cuz I

44:49

know Pharrell, you know, everybody looks at

44:51

the you know, the artist Pharrell's like

44:53

homemade looks looks 20 He's like

44:56

50 or something like that and he talks

44:58

about I exfoliate every day What's

45:00

your Rex on on that? Yeah, he

45:02

sent me his skincare line when it

45:05

first came out human race It's actually

45:07

pretty good good skin care line There's

45:09

a lot of celebrity skincare lines that come out that

45:12

I'm like, oh man It's just quick

45:14

cash grab but his line is actually quite nice.

45:16

So you could definitely check that one out Exfoliation

45:19

like I was mentioning earlier like again going

45:21

back to the root of the science It

45:24

takes about 28 days for your skin cells to sort of

45:26

renew so you don't really need

45:28

to exfoliate every day because you

45:30

know, there's not gonna be new skin cells

45:32

every day essentially, you know Starting at the

45:34

bottom and you know, once you've exfoliated away

45:36

those top skin cells, you know You

45:38

need time essentially for your barrier to kind of repair

45:41

itself So I recommend exfoliating like

45:43

once or twice a week really and

45:45

that and that's the maximum But I do think there's

45:47

benefit in that it's gonna improve your

45:49

complexion. It's gonna improve the texture of the

45:51

skin But you know

45:53

just no more than really two twice a week.

45:55

Well, dr. Shaw, I want to play a quick

45:57

game This is something I'll play with every Every

46:00

guest is called the five best.

46:03

So it's kind of like a rapid fire game.

46:05

OK. I like it. And as

46:07

you put it, just throw it back at me. So when

46:10

would you say was the best time in

46:12

your life? I'm living it,

46:14

I guess. And every time I'm not

46:17

a pivot from that, I kind

46:20

of recalibrate and try to make sure I'm living my

46:22

best life so I don't have any regrets. So I

46:24

feel like every part of my life has been a

46:26

lesson. I know it's supposed to be rapid fire. But

46:29

it sort of made me who I am today. So

46:31

I can't say that any period I

46:33

regret. And I

46:35

can't say that right now I'm not living

46:37

sort of my best version of myself

46:39

every day. And if I felt like I wasn't,

46:42

I would make drastic changes to

46:44

realign with what I felt

46:47

was the right path forward. That's the best answer,

46:49

I think, because it's like now

46:51

is alive. You know, like it's

46:54

this moment. It's like

46:56

it's living. It's moving. So

46:59

it's got to be the best, right? You can't

47:01

hold on to it. I love that answer. What

47:04

would you say was the best advice

47:07

you ever got? One of

47:09

the best things, especially when I started on social media, was that

47:12

my mentor basically told me, you know,

47:14

you can continue to do this. You can continue to grow.

47:17

But always remember to be, remember who you are. And

47:20

always remember to be ethical and honest along the way. And

47:23

that means saying no to some of the big

47:25

deals. That means that maybe

47:27

you won't be as wealthy today. But

47:30

you'll be able to sleep well at night. And so I think trying

47:32

to always remember who you are. This is a really good story in

47:34

the beginning of the book, The

47:37

Alchemist, where the basically wise man

47:39

tells the boy, you know, you

47:42

have to focus on basically two things in life,

47:44

like what's in front of you, but also like kind

47:46

of remembering what's important at the same time. And

47:49

so there's a lot of distractions in life. So

47:51

I feel like if you always remember like your

47:53

core values while you experience the beauty of the

47:56

world, because you have to do both. You can't

47:58

just kind of be a hermit where you feel it you

48:00

just like kind of close off to the world.

48:02

So explore the world but remember who you are

48:04

and I think that's probably the best advice as

48:07

you navigate and grow in this world and I kind of

48:09

try to stick and recalibrate to that every time I feel

48:11

like I veered off course at all. Love

48:13

that. What was the best investment you

48:16

ever made? Financial

48:18

or non-financial? It can be just, you

48:20

know. I would say that probably my

48:22

wife, you know, it's not like a

48:24

financial investment by any means but, you

48:26

know, I think having a life partner

48:28

that, you know, you can be

48:30

with during the good times and the bad times that

48:33

is selfless and wants nothing out of

48:35

you but to see you succeed and

48:37

you grow together as a family, I

48:40

think that that is probably the best

48:43

use of your time. You know, when everything is

48:45

stripped away from you, it's like all you have

48:47

left really is the family that you've built and

48:49

I think that that's probably where not enough people

48:51

focus their time and energy and so I'm

48:53

very grateful for her. Awesome.

48:55

What would you say is the

48:58

best quote you ever heard?

49:00

I think about a lot of what's going on right

49:02

now. I'm a big quote guy.

49:04

I love quotes and I love the book The

49:06

Alchemist. I could give you a ton of quotes

49:08

from The Alchemist but it's something about something that's

49:10

going on right now in the world and I

49:12

think a lot of people feel frustrated and, you

49:14

know, there have been many moments in history where

49:16

it feels like everything in life

49:18

is not fair and there's this quote from

49:20

Max Planck who is a physicist essentially

49:23

says that people don't

49:25

change. It's just younger people grow

49:28

up with a different viewpoint

49:31

and then they became the changemakers and then

49:33

they change the world essentially and so sometimes

49:35

you can feel frustrated that you

49:37

think the world is not working out in

49:40

a fair and just way but

49:42

time, a lot of times people grow up and they

49:44

have different opinions and they have different viewpoints and that's

49:47

kind of what moves the needle and so that's why

49:49

awareness I think is really important. This is an extreme

49:51

tangent but I do have

49:53

hope that younger generations are

49:55

going to make this world a better place and

49:58

you can feel like everything is again. against

50:00

you, but it does

50:02

change with time, and we've seen this

50:04

through history, and we do move towards

50:06

a better place. And so that Max

50:08

Planck quote essentially about, you know, people

50:11

not changing, but essentially the world changing

50:13

as younger people develop new ideas, I

50:15

think is something to remember when

50:17

you feel powerless,

50:20

essentially. Yeah, Max Planck

50:22

was a legend. Planck

50:24

land. Yeah, brilliant, brilliant

50:27

physicists. But I guess that brings me

50:29

to the last question, which is the

50:31

magic wand question. If I gave you

50:33

a magic wand, and

50:36

say you can make a wish, any wish with this

50:38

magic wand, and I told you point this wand at

50:40

the planet Earth, and when you

50:42

woke up, that magic wand wish will be

50:44

granted. Dr. Shaw, what

50:47

would your magic wand wish be? My

50:49

wish for the world is

50:51

that we

50:55

see the humanity in everyone.

50:59

I think it's that core basics of, there's a

51:01

lot of tribalism, there's a lot of nationalism. There's

51:03

a lot of times where you look at somebody,

51:05

and you try to say, you're not me, and

51:07

I'm not you. And

51:10

when you do that, when

51:12

you dehumanize people, or you make them different

51:14

than you, you can justify

51:16

the actions that you would never

51:19

otherwise justify within your own clan, essentially.

51:21

And so I think a lot of

51:23

the problems in this world could be

51:25

solved if we looked at everybody

51:27

as an equal human being and started there.

51:29

Because you would treat people differently. If you

51:31

saw somebody hungry, you would feed them. If

51:34

you thought they were your kin, you would take care

51:36

of them, you'd give them more, you'd give them

51:38

shelter, you wouldn't harm them. But I

51:40

think that people create a lot of division in this world when

51:42

we're all more alike than we are

51:45

different. So my magic wand was

51:47

if we could make everyone see the humanity in others,

51:50

I think that that would be a starting point to

51:52

make the world a better place. Brilliant. Dr.

51:55

Shai, you have blown my mind in

51:57

more ways. You

52:00

know, thank you so much for coming

52:02

on the sauna sessions. You're welcome here

52:04

anytime The knowledge

52:06

that you gave was it changed gonna

52:08

change me my routines And

52:11

just how you ended it to man the

52:13

us versus them mentality that we have in the

52:15

world I mean if we could change that and

52:17

be more just human, you know,

52:19

just just Land

52:22

at human and stay there

52:24

what a world that would be. Thank you

52:26

and you're a very inspiring guy I will

52:28

say, you know, you're you're very talented, you

52:31

know You have a gift and you haven't

52:33

wasted that gift So you have a gift

52:35

of communication gift of poetry a gift

52:38

of putting into words what a lot of people can't Summarize

52:41

and put out in the world and so you've

52:44

used that gift I think to make people's lives better

52:46

and I and I think that's the impact I

52:48

hope to have on the world one day And

52:50

so, you know, congratulations to you and everything that

52:52

you've built. Thank you one brother. Well, you do

52:54

what you're doing it You're making the impact already

52:57

and you got another ally. Let's let's

52:59

get the world healthy in every way

53:01

that we can Thank

53:04

you so much for having me on thank you.

53:06

Dr. Shaw for coming on the sauna sessions and

53:08

thank you guys for listening to another episode Make

53:12

sure you comment make sure you subscribe

53:14

and check out next week for a

53:16

new episode of sauna sessions. Peace

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