Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger join the show to discuss their recent Foreign Affairs essay on the need for a victory strategy in America’s cold war with China.▪️Times • 01:53 Introduction • 03:25 Meeting in Iraq• 07:43 “There are bad guys…”• 13:15 Why detente isn’t working • 23:45 Real statesmanship?• 32:12 Rearm/Reduce/Recruit • 35:20 TikTokFollow along on InstagramRead the Foreign Affairs piece here No Substitute for Victory America’s Competition With China Must Be Won, Not Managed Find a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack
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