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Let
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me tell you a story. August
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nineteen eleven, Balama, Washington.
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It's beautiful out here. You
1:14
can hear the ocean waves lapping lazily
1:16
against the rocky shore from the porch
1:18
of this rustic home tucked neatly
1:20
away among the trees.
1:21
It's the Pacific Northwest Wilderness.
1:24
That's where the property gets its namesake. Wilderness
1:27
heights. But this
1:29
house will come to be known by another
1:31
name. starvation heights.
1:34
This property is advertised as a medical
1:36
facility where people from all over
1:38
the world who can't be carried by traditional
1:41
mainstream medicine are welcomed with
1:43
open arms. Were they promised the
1:45
healing and relief they seek from their
1:48
new doctors?
1:49
The truth is so
1:51
far from this promise that it's hard to fathom.
1:54
This place is more prison than
1:56
infirmary more gulag than hospital.
1:59
Patients here receive
2:02
a treatment course of beatings, torture,
2:05
and starvation.
2:07
Many have already died.
2:09
Well, today, it comes to
2:11
an end. Police enter the facility,
2:14
horrified,
2:14
shocked, and nauseated
2:17
by what they see. Patients
2:19
are gaunt and confused. Their
2:21
faces gazing with empty thousand
2:23
yard stares. Their skeletal
2:25
bodies are emaciated. and on
2:27
a brink of death. Cautiously,
2:30
the police walk through. They
2:31
are determined to fulfill their assigned mission
2:33
today before it's too late. Finally,
2:36
arrest and bring to justice, the deranged
2:39
doctor who's in charge.
2:40
What doctor would do something like this anyway?
2:43
What medical professional would endorse this
2:45
kind of extreme, dangerous, abusive
2:48
treatment. No one.
2:51
The woman at the center of this is not
2:53
a doctor. not even a real
2:55
medical professional of any kind.
2:57
She's a charlatan and a swindler. And
3:00
these well, These aren't
3:02
the last lives she'll take. At
3:04
the back of the compound, they see their
3:06
mark. Her name
3:08
is Linda hazard, and she
3:10
is nothing short of a
3:11
monster. Hazard's alternative
3:14
treatments include
3:16
beatings, psychological torture,
3:19
and most famously extreme
3:21
starvation. In total,
3:23
eighteen of her patients are confirmed
3:26
to have died during her reign of terror in
3:28
the Pacific Northwest. But experts
3:30
say that the true number could be as
3:32
high as forty.
3:33
forty people who were starved to death
3:36
by a woman they trusted to handle their medical
3:38
decisions. Forty people robbed
3:40
by that same woman. A woman who was
3:42
seen wearing the jewelry and clothes of her
3:44
deceased patients,
3:46
sometimes just hours after
3:48
their deaths. But
3:49
the strangest part of Linda Hazard's
3:51
story isn't her callessness. We've
3:54
seen plenty of so Osympath and mayhem
3:56
on the show. The strangest part
3:58
is how she
3:58
seemed to genuinely
3:59
believe her own lies. She
4:02
was a charlatan, a fraud who
4:04
never held an actual medical license. And
4:06
for some reason, people continued
4:08
seeking her out even after
4:10
her actions were bose to the public.
4:13
She continued for years just
4:15
as she had before until she eventually
4:17
treated her last patient
4:19
herself. Was she
4:21
simply misguided? Or was
4:23
she truly a cold blooded murderer?
4:25
We'll get to that. But right
4:27
now, all you need to know. is
4:29
that Linda Hazard needs a lawyer,
4:32
a good one.
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Linda Laura Burfield is born in
5:02
Carver County, Minnesota in
5:03
eighteen sixty seven. one
5:06
of eight children in
5:07
a wealthy family headed by her father,
5:09
Montgomery Burfield. She
5:11
leads
5:11
an idyllic childhood, but
5:13
one marred by illness.
5:16
Linda has suffered from intestinal issues
5:18
and stomach related pain for most of her
5:20
childhood and willing to
5:22
adulthood.
5:23
Often for days at a time, Linda
5:25
is confined to her bed, unable
5:27
to stand and live like the rest of her family
5:30
because of these issues. And the worst
5:32
part is, there seems to be no cure.
5:34
The only thing that helps even a little
5:36
with her pain and symptoms is the
5:38
occasional enema. Her
5:40
father, Montgomery, cares deeply for
5:42
his children's health and well-being, and he
5:44
calls a doctor to the house for regular checkups.
5:47
Later on, Linda will think back to
5:49
this visiting doctor and the
5:51
odd blue pill he used to give all the
5:53
kids.
5:53
We don't know much about this blue
5:56
pill in its contents, but it
5:58
plays a significant part in young Linda's
5:59
life, especially in shaping
6:02
some problematic thought patterns.
6:04
You see, after taking the medicine,
6:06
she becomes convinced that the blue pill,
6:09
not the ailment it's meant to treat,
6:11
is the cause of her sickness and
6:13
suffering. and so begins the transformation.
6:16
Linda's transformation. The
6:18
wheels are set in motion and the events
6:20
and circumstances that follow are gonna
6:22
come together to create a
6:25
monster.
6:25
Now, it's entirely possible
6:28
that she's right
6:28
about this doctor, that he's a
6:30
quack dolling out fake remedies to the
6:32
children of a rich man in order
6:34
to make a quick buck. But it's
6:36
also possible that this
6:39
blue pill really is doing
6:41
more harm than good for Linda and her
6:43
siblings. But whether her paranoia
6:45
is warranted or not, the result is
6:47
the same. Linda
6:48
develops an almost pathological mistrust
6:51
of doctors in mainstream medicine. She
6:53
decides that if she's going to find a cure,
6:56
It's going to come from someone other
6:58
than a doctor. In
7:00
that early cure, starvation,
7:02
of course, You may remember our episode
7:04
about Bernadore McFadden, the fitness
7:06
guru and magazine magnet who
7:08
became enamored with the idea of
7:10
fasting as a cure for disease. And
7:12
while that's a different episode and entirely
7:15
fascinating on its own, McFadden's
7:17
influence has somehow leaked outside of his
7:19
dedicated episode and into this
7:21
one. It's the teachings of the fitness
7:23
figures, an alternative medical practitioners
7:26
like him that get Linda's attention
7:28
here and convince her to try starvation
7:31
on herself.
7:32
And at least in Linda's recollection,
7:35
it works. Long bouts of
7:37
starvation combined with regular enemas
7:40
allegedly cures Linda of her intestinal
7:42
issues around eighteen eighty nine
7:44
by the time she's twenty two. From
7:46
that point on, she's convinced
7:49
She converts into a zealot for the cause
7:51
of starvation. She's obsessed,
7:54
but it's her thing and no
7:56
one realizes just yet how deadly
7:58
this conversion is
7:59
going to
7:59
be. With a new outlook on life,
8:02
Linda leaves home to make a career out
8:04
of sharing the benefits of starvation with
8:06
the rest of the world. The
8:08
only problem, Linda, in her
8:10
early twenties, is married
8:12
to a man named Edwin Perry and
8:14
they have two young children together,
8:17
Roland and Nina. It's a circumstance
8:19
that especially at that time at
8:21
the turn of the twentieth century, would
8:24
normally preclude her from pursuing a
8:26
career of her own. But in
8:28
eighteen ninety eight, after her thirty
8:30
second birthday, Linda leaves
8:32
her family behind, abandoning
8:34
them from Minneapolis to
8:36
make a name for herself as an osteopath
8:39
practitioner of alternative medicine.
8:41
This is an important mile marker for
8:43
Linda. You know, was she a
8:45
con woman or a true believer?
8:48
Imagine what it would take
8:48
to abandon your family, to leave two
8:50
young children behind. How could
8:53
she be okay with that? was
8:55
she really? The easy
8:57
explanation would be to say that Linda is simply
8:59
a cold, unfeeling sociopath
9:01
who doesn't believe in remorse.
9:03
But can it be that simple?
9:05
On
9:05
one hand, Linda's been through a lot
9:07
already. Childhood illness,
9:09
tons of doctors visits, taking
9:12
medication against her will than finding relief
9:14
in the unlikeliest of places.
9:16
Wouldn't you also feel
9:18
compelled to share that with the world? Maybe
9:20
this is more complicated than a greedy,
9:23
detached individual seeking
9:25
fame and fortune. Maybe this is
9:27
a woman who really wants to help others.
9:29
and who's willing to give up everything
9:31
to do it.
9:32
As Linda watches her two young children
9:34
sleep soundly in their beds
9:36
one last time, she takes
9:38
a deep breath. There are
9:40
diseases to be cured, people
9:42
to be saved, a career to
9:44
be had. And with that, She
9:47
picks up her suitcase and leaves
9:49
before the sun rises.
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Linda opens her first clinic as an
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osteopathic nurse in Minneapolis going
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by the name doctor Perry as
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she brings her alternative treatments to
13:02
the masses and touts her fasting method as
13:04
a kind of panacea to cure
13:06
anything by, quote, reading the body of
13:08
toxins or eliminating imbalances.
13:11
as a
13:11
helpful tip for you listeners. If someone is selling
13:13
you on a way to rid your body of
13:16
toxins, but can't name the toxins they're
13:18
talking about, Chances
13:20
are pretty high that the only thing they wanna rid
13:22
you of is your money. But
13:23
Linda or doctor
13:26
Perry is prolific with her proselytizing.
13:28
Over the course of her career, she will write
13:30
three separate books and create quite
13:32
a mythology around herself. She adds
13:35
to her origin store the false narrative that
13:37
her first husband died, that
13:39
she arrived in Minneapolis with a broken
13:41
heart and fifteen dollars to
13:43
her name. Nobody
13:44
ever questions it, and it bolsters
13:47
her reputation.
13:47
Not only that, she genuinely
13:50
seems to believe in her three pronged
13:52
treatment approach. which includes
13:54
fasting. Allowing
13:55
the digestive system to rest,
13:57
be cleansed, while removing impurities
13:59
from the body. enemas. Painful
14:02
daily enemas that sometimes go
14:04
on for hours and
14:06
involve at times more than
14:08
twelve quarts of water. And finally,
14:11
massage. As in a
14:13
violent massage that involves Linda
14:15
slamming her wrists into patients'
14:17
foreheads, backs, and other
14:19
areas. It
14:19
is certainly an extreme program, but
14:22
in truth, it's not that far
14:24
off from the kinds of things people like
14:26
Bernard McFadden were pushing. men who were
14:28
gaining sometimes international renowned
14:30
as experts on health and fitness.
14:33
But
14:33
then, she
14:34
kills her first patient. It's
14:37
nineteen o two, and Linda now
14:39
thirty five has just finalized her
14:41
divorce from Edwin. Though in court
14:43
proceedings and papers, she claims he
14:45
abandoned her nearly
14:47
everyone in their lives believes Edwin
14:49
Over Linda. It's
14:50
shortly after the official dissolution of
14:53
her marriage, that she finds a woman
14:55
named gertrude Young, in her
14:57
office in Minneapolis. Gertrude
14:59
suffered a stroke in nineteen hundred
15:01
that left one arm and one leg
15:03
limp in slack. And while
15:05
doctors have managed to treat the pain from her
15:07
paralysis,
15:07
they have had far less luck in
15:10
returning mobility to that side of Gertrude's
15:12
body. she's beside herself
15:14
and willing to try anything
15:16
and everything to get her body
15:18
back. Doctor Perry is
15:20
happy to oblige.
15:22
She starts gurtured on a course of forty
15:24
days without food and only small
15:26
amounts of approved liquids,
15:28
vegetable broth, strained juice,
15:30
and occasionally in water. About
15:32
a month then, a friend of gertrudes
15:34
who was staying with her while she undergoes
15:36
the treatment, finds her sweating,
15:39
shaking, and vomiting
15:41
and thick bile in her bed.
15:44
Doctor Perry is called immediately. She
15:46
orders the windows thrown open
15:48
despite freezing temperatures outside
15:51
and insists that gartrude continue with
15:53
the fasting treatment. but her
15:55
visit does nothing to improve the woman's
15:57
condition.
15:57
Gertrude's friend calls a different
15:59
nurse who
15:59
brings a physician named doctor
16:02
Williams, In fact, he's the one
16:04
who treated Gertrude before she went to see
16:06
doctor Perry. He insists
16:08
that Gertrude break her fast
16:10
immediately. and
16:10
that no amount of starvation will
16:13
cure her paralysis and that
16:15
continuing it will almost certainly
16:17
lead to death. but
16:18
Linda, doctor Perry,
16:20
disagrees. She tells
16:22
Gertrude she's almost there,
16:25
that she's so close to the end to relief
16:27
and to recovery, and it's
16:28
enough to convince Gertrude to continue
16:31
the fast.
16:31
six days later. Gertrude
16:34
dies of starvation on
16:36
the thirty ninth day of her
16:38
prescribed fast. Doctor
16:39
Williams, as it turns out, is
16:42
also the county coroner, and he opens
16:44
up an inquiry into Gertrude's death.
16:47
where it's determined that she died of
16:49
starvation and
16:49
was a victim of, as he calls
16:52
it, cruel and unnecessary quackery
16:54
at the hands of doctor Perry. Oh,
16:57
and then there's this kicker. As officials
16:59
are looking into what charges they might be
17:01
able to bring against doctor Perry,
17:03
They discover that she's also in possession of
17:06
all of Gertrude's expensive
17:09
jewelry. She claims Gertrude gifted it all to one
17:11
of her nurses, but
17:13
the nurse doctor Perry mentioned
17:15
cannot be found. And officials
17:17
wonder if this nurse even exists in
17:19
the first place.
17:20
Linda immediately goes on the offensive.
17:22
she claims that Gertrude didn't follow her instructions
17:24
closely enough and that she died at her
17:26
own hands. That Linda has eighteen
17:28
other patients who made it through the treatment
17:30
just fine and that any
17:32
physician questioning her methods is simply
17:35
jealous of her success. In the
17:37
end,
17:37
the inquest determines
17:40
that
17:40
doctor Perry can't
17:42
be charged with any crime.
17:45
But how how could that possibly be
17:47
when there's so much evidence to
17:50
the contrary?
17:50
As it turns it's all due to a loophole
17:52
in Minnesota law, and
17:54
the fact that doctor Perry
17:57
actually holds no legitimate medical
17:59
license.
17:59
Because she isn't licensed to practice
18:02
medicine, she can't be held to the same
18:04
standards of care
18:05
that a real doctor would be in
18:07
court. And
18:08
there's no law in Minnesota prohibiting her from
18:10
using her starvation methods without a
18:12
license as long as her patients came to
18:14
her willingly, which Gertrude Young
18:17
tragically did. Authorities
18:19
admit that Gertrude could have broken her
18:21
fast at any time and sought care
18:23
elsewhere prior to her
18:25
death. but she chose not
18:28
to. But it's hard not to see the other
18:30
side of this argument that
18:32
doctor Perry purposefully maintained your
18:34
patience in a state too weak to
18:36
understand what was happening to
18:38
them, but we would be about a hundred and
18:40
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this case. Linda Burfield, doctor
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her only one. In
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this period of her life, she
19:55
also falls in love. With a
19:57
man so different from her first
19:59
husband, so different
19:59
from any man she's
20:00
ever been connected to, that
20:03
she simply cannot take
20:04
her mind off of him. This
20:06
guy is Samuel
20:08
Hassard, and he is the love
20:10
of Linda's
20:11
life. a tall, handsome West
20:13
Point graduate with a cosmopolitan
20:16
flair, Samuel Hazard is the type of man that would
20:18
turn heads on the street. and
20:20
he certainly catches the attention of
20:22
doctor Perry. The two began
20:24
courting after her scandal over
20:26
Gertrude Young. And in nineteen o
20:28
four, at the age of thirty
20:30
seven, Linda and Samuel tie
20:32
the knot.
20:33
From rural Minnesota to here,
20:36
It's quite the transformation. And
20:38
finally, Linda has a man who
20:40
matches her grand designs for her
20:42
own life. who seems willing
20:44
and able to live out the luxurious
20:46
and adventurous existence she
20:48
wants. There's just one
20:50
problem. He's already
20:53
married.
20:53
Almost as quickly as she escapes the
20:56
gurtured
20:56
young scandal. Doctor Linda
20:58
Hassard, as she goes by finds
21:00
herself back in the public eye. Samuel
21:02
is arrested and charged with bigamy.
21:05
There's a woman named Veeva
21:07
claiming to be his second and very much
21:09
still married wife. To top
21:11
it all off, Veeva insists
21:14
that there's also a first wife in New York that
21:16
he never divorced either. It's
21:18
through this trial
21:19
that the rest of Samuel Hazard's
21:21
dirty laundry sees the light of day.
21:24
Apparently, he was kicked out of the military for
21:26
embezzling money. He was a drunk
21:28
and a gambler, a con man.
21:31
Yet through it all, Linda remains at
21:33
Samuel's side, and he does the same
21:35
for her. Even when his second wife
21:37
offers to drop the charges if he will
21:39
simply return home, Samuel
21:42
refuses. His marriage to
21:44
Linda is what matters, and he's
21:46
willing to go to jail for it.
21:48
Samuel is sentenced
21:49
sentence to two years
21:51
in prison. And something like
21:54
prison, it changes the person.
21:56
From behind bars, Samuel
21:58
reconnects with his
21:58
second wife, Veeva.
21:59
and initially for BIDS. Yeah.
22:02
For BIDS, Linda from visiting him.
22:04
He and Veeva make plans to reunite.
22:07
to move
22:07
to Nevada be closer to his parents, to fix
22:10
things between them. With her
22:12
help, he has his other
22:14
marriages dissolved. and agrees to legally
22:16
marry her upon his release. This
22:18
doesn't sit well with Linda. So after
22:20
months of petitioning, Linda
22:22
finally receives the green light.
22:24
At last, Siemel has agreed to let
22:27
Linda visit him in prison. It
22:29
is not known what happens in this
22:31
meeting, but it changes things
22:33
for everyone. and in
22:35
October nineteen o five. Samuel
22:37
is released from Stillwater prison
22:39
and walks straight to doctor
22:41
Linda Hassard's office. and
22:44
into her arms.
22:45
In nineteen o six, there isn't much
22:48
left for Linda, now thirty nine in
22:50
Samuel in Minnesota.
22:51
Both have seen their share of personal
22:54
scandals and are looking for a place to begin
22:56
anew. Linda has ambitious
22:58
dreams of opening a grand sanitorium to
22:59
peddle her treatments but she needs to
23:01
find a place with enough cheap land and
23:04
somewhere far from
23:04
her infamy. She settles on
23:06
a property in quaint Alala,
23:09
Washington. and names it Wilderness
23:12
Heights. The west turns out to be the
23:14
perfect place for Linda and Samuel to
23:16
reinvigorate her business. People
23:18
are coming in and droves, seeking
23:20
new opportunities, avoiding old enemies,
23:22
and looking for a new way of life.
23:25
exactly the kind of patient Linda
23:27
wants. Desperate people
23:29
willing to try something new.
23:31
Desperate. That word has real meaning in
23:33
this story because it's
23:34
desperation that leads people to Linda Hazard's
23:37
door. Imagine how these
23:39
people
23:39
must feel. how much pain they must
23:41
be in or how
23:42
much fear they carry in the face of their own
23:45
mortality. To seek out not just
23:47
treatment that is obviously dangerous,
23:49
but treatment from someone with a track record
23:51
of killing people. It's a testament
23:53
to
23:53
the lengths people will go to for
23:55
some semblance of trollover for
23:57
the unpredictable nature of health in the human
24:00
body. She publishes her first book
24:02
in nineteen o eight.
24:04
fasting for the cure of disease, as a way to
24:06
promote her treatments, as a cure all for
24:08
everything from headaches to cancer.
24:11
The
24:11
book, legitimize us, sir, washes away
24:13
the stench of what happened in Minnesota
24:15
and draws a whole new level
24:18
of well healthy clientele, but it
24:20
doesn't stop her from killing her
24:22
patients. In nineteen o eight,
24:23
doctor Hassard welcomes Daisy
24:26
mod Haglund. to
24:28
Wilderness heights to treat her
24:30
advanced stomach cancer. She
24:31
puts her on a classic three
24:33
pronged treatment regimen of starvation, enemas,
24:37
and
24:37
massage.
24:38
And Daisy dies shortly
24:41
afterwards. No one suspects Linda,
24:44
however, as her patient was already unable to
24:46
eat due to her stomach cancer. And
24:48
many say she likely would have starved to death
24:50
anyway. Daisy leaves behind her
24:52
son, IVar, who coincidentally
24:54
goes on to open IVar's a
24:56
well known seafood restaurant chain in the region. Then
24:59
there's Idar
24:59
Wilcox and Blanche Tyndall
25:02
and Viola Heaton. and
25:04
Ivan Flux, a rich Englishman
25:06
who comes to the United
25:07
States to buy a ranch and winds up
25:09
in doctor hazards care. He
25:12
fasts for fifty three days
25:14
straight before died and
25:17
strangely leaves all of his
25:19
wealth and assets to doctor Hazard in
25:21
his will. She tells his family back in
25:23
England that he died alone with only
25:25
seventy dollars to his name. And then
25:26
there's L E Rater, a
25:29
successful local politician who
25:31
seeks out treatment for a rather
25:33
benign stomach issue. Doctor
25:35
Hazard puts him on a twenty nine day
25:37
fast. A health inspector acts happens
25:39
upon Raider at Wilderness Heights while Linda
25:41
is out making a house call.
25:43
The inspector implores Raider to leave
25:45
at once. But upon returning, Linda
25:47
whisks him away to his secret secondary
25:50
location to finish his treatment. He
25:52
dies shortly after nearly
25:54
six feet tall. but
25:56
somehow weighing less than
25:57
one hundred pounds. These
26:00
deaths don't go unnoticed.
26:03
they're
26:03
reported and investigated.
26:04
When authorities perform
26:07
autopsies, they unilaterally find
26:09
that every patient died
26:11
from starvation. When
26:13
Linda does the autopsies, her
26:15
causes of death are, well,
26:17
anything else she can conveniently blame
26:19
it on. The spotlight leads to
26:21
wilderness heights coming to be known by a
26:23
nooning around town, starvation
26:26
heights.
26:26
But again, Linda saved by
26:28
a
26:28
loophole in the law. Despite
26:30
having no medical degree, she's
26:33
grandfathered into a medical
26:35
license by a statute that special exceptions
26:37
for those practicing alternative
26:41
medicine. It's a stretch
26:43
to consider what she does alternative
26:46
medicine, but it holds up in court nonetheless.
26:49
Between nineteen o eight, and nineteen
26:51
twelve. Doctor Linda Hassard treats
26:53
dozens if not hundreds of patients at
26:55
Wilderness Heights. And while the
26:57
exact number still isn't known,
26:59
and likely cannot ever be known,
27:01
at least thirteen deaths
27:03
are attributed to her extreme
27:05
starvation treatments. But
27:07
the notable exception of one patient,
27:09
Eugene Stanley
27:10
Wakelin. He's found
27:12
on Hazard's property with a single
27:15
gunshot wound to the head.
27:16
The death is quickly ruled as
27:19
suicide, but some
27:21
strange coincidences are
27:23
discovered later. Like
27:24
this, Shortly after
27:26
signing on as one of doctor Hazard's
27:28
patients, Wakelin transfers power of
27:31
attorney over to
27:31
her. She sends correspondence to Wakelin's
27:34
lawyer requesting money But
27:36
he replies with the news that despite
27:38
his nobility, Wakelyn
27:40
has no money to give.
27:41
He's found shot
27:43
to death not long after that.
27:45
Many of Linda's victims
27:47
are like Wakelin, wealthy individuals
27:50
somehow distanced from their families for one
27:52
reason or another. whose belongings and fortunes always
27:55
seemed to inexplicably land in the
27:57
coffers of Linda and Samuel.
27:59
It must be nice
27:59
to have patients who so
28:02
adore you as a medical professional that
28:04
they leave you their entire estates
28:07
even after they die in
28:09
your care. Like British
28:11
Arris, Claire Williamson. This
28:13
one's different though, because
28:15
Claire is where Linda's streak
28:17
of outrunning her consequences will come
28:20
to an end. Nineteen
28:23
ten. Linda
28:23
Hassard is now forty three years
28:26
old. Dorothy
28:26
and Claire Williamson are two
28:28
wealthy heiresses from Australia, the orphan
28:31
daughters of a well-to-do English
28:32
officer in the Imperial Army
28:35
Medical Services. visiting
28:37
Vancouver, British Columbia, they
28:39
happen upon Linda's
28:40
book. Dorothy and
28:42
Claire are known among family and friends for
28:44
a predisposition toward hypochondria.
28:47
while neither of them suffers from any
28:49
life threatening illnesses, they both
28:51
have mild indigestion issues.
28:53
And Claire has a slightly
28:55
drop uterus. They
28:56
become fascinated by Linda
28:58
Hazard's treatments and what it might do
29:00
for their medley of minor ailments. Already
29:03
vegetarians with a mistrust for modern
29:05
medicine, the prospect of finding
29:07
well-being without traditional doctors
29:09
or drugs is intriguing. It's
29:12
simple. The way doctor Linda Hassard
29:14
describes it in her book. Over
29:16
eating, she writes, is the vice
29:18
of the whole human race. They
29:20
began corresponding with Linda and start some of
29:22
her treatments in their hotel in Vancouver.
29:25
But as the letters arrive and cut to the
29:28
chase, The only way for
29:30
Linda to really be able to treat
29:32
them is after an in
29:34
person examination.
29:35
So without telling
29:37
anyone, Dorothy and Claire travel from
29:39
Vancouver to Seattle to seek
29:41
the doctor's care. Official
29:44
treatment begins in a Seattle hotel.
29:46
It's the same three pronged approach we've seen time and time
29:48
again already. starvation, animals,
29:51
violent massages. The treatment
29:54
affects them as we would expect. Dorthea
29:56
and Claire lose weight rapidly, become
29:59
weak and
29:59
solid. And while none of it seems
30:02
to help their initial symptoms, they
30:05
remain dedicated to the
30:07
process and dedicated to
30:09
Linda. After about twenty nine days, the two
30:11
says users are transported from their Seattle
30:13
hotel to Wilderness Heights for
30:15
more intensive care. They're so weak
30:18
at
30:18
this point that they're moved by stretcher
30:20
and ambulance. Linda stores
30:22
the women's jewelry and the deeds to their
30:24
real estate and her personal safe For safekeeping,
30:27
of course. She also has
30:28
them sign over a monthly stipend to pay
30:31
for their housing and treatment, as
30:33
well as instructions regarding what to do with
30:35
their remains should they not
30:37
survive. It's at this point
30:39
that Claire and Dorothy Williamson
30:41
become more like prisoners than
30:43
patients. Too weak to protest
30:45
or object, they're barred from communicating with
30:47
their family as they continue to
30:49
undergo doctor hazards, starvation
30:52
treatments. It becomes clear at
30:54
this point to Dorothea, but unless they
30:56
do something
30:57
drastic, they will die
30:59
in this place. But even in her weakened state,
31:02
Claire is willing to do something drastic.
31:04
If it means saving herself
31:06
and her dear sister,
31:09
She manages to put together a cable
31:11
gram to be sent to the girl's old governess
31:13
in Australia, a woman
31:15
named Margaret Conway. The initial
31:17
cable gram is short. and troubling.
31:20
Come, s s Marama May
31:22
eighth first class, Claire.
31:25
At first, Margaret assumes Claire is alerting
31:27
her that she and Dortheo will be arriving
31:29
back in Australia on May eighth,
31:31
but something nags at her
31:33
about the cable gram. Claire
31:35
has
31:35
never been the type to flaunt her
31:38
wealth, mentioning
31:39
first class in the cable craeme
31:41
is so unlike her. So,
31:43
Margaret calls the steamship company when she
31:45
learns of another strange twist.
31:48
The SS Marama isn't
31:50
sailing to Sydney on May eighth.
31:53
It's sailing from Sydney to British
31:56
Columbia. Claire wants
31:57
Margaret to come to them,
31:59
but why?
32:01
When the Marama reaches Honolulu, Margaret receives
32:03
a letter from Clare, and the care of
32:05
a woman named Linda
32:06
Burfield Hazard in Seattle that
32:09
explains more. and
32:11
troubles her more. In
32:13
the letter, Claire writes profusely
32:16
about doctor Hassard and her
32:18
husband Samuel and their miraculous
32:20
treatments. But something
32:22
is unnerving about it.
32:24
Her
32:24
handwriting is ragged.
32:27
sloppy, far from
32:28
the practiced perfect
32:30
handwriting Claire has been taught.
32:32
She
32:32
mentions that Dorothea is suffering
32:34
from a serious mental
32:36
breakdown. but
32:36
the doctor Hazard has taken wonderful
32:39
care of them both. She
32:40
alludes that there is
32:41
more to the story, but
32:42
that she must tell the rest of it when
32:44
she arrives in person. Margaret is
32:46
beside herself with worry.
32:48
Dorothea
32:48
was always nervous, but
32:51
never had any real mental health
32:53
issues. and
32:53
this only increases her anxiety over getting
32:56
to the girls as quickly as
32:58
possible. The only relief she
33:00
has is the fifteen day span between the
33:02
letter and the cable gram follows it,
33:04
mentioning that both sisters are quite
33:06
well. Perhaps Dorthea has
33:07
taken a turn for the better. When market
33:09
arrives
33:09
in Vancouver, however, She
33:12
learns the tragic truth.
33:14
Samuel Hassard is waiting for her, and
33:16
he brings devastating news.
33:18
he sets
33:19
Margaret down and tells her.
33:21
Miss
33:21
Claire has died, and miss
33:23
Dora is helplessly
33:26
insane. I am sorry.
33:28
I'm
33:28
sorry. That's
33:30
all Samuel has to say.
33:32
And all Margaret can do is sit and
33:34
cry for the girls who were not her blood.
33:37
who she raised and loved all the same. All
33:39
this time, she was coming to save them
33:42
when Claire had already died.
33:44
And Orthea
33:44
had already lost her mind. Margaret
33:47
accompanied
33:47
Samuel to Wilderness Heights, where
33:50
she finally meets doctor
33:52
Linda Hassard. There is
33:54
little sympathy in her voice as she
33:56
commands the space in her office. She
33:58
explains away all the reasons for
33:59
Claire's untimely death. Her
34:01
liver was cirrhotic. too tough
34:03
to even penetrate with a knife, she says. Her blood was
34:06
dry enough to turn the dust in her fingers. Her
34:08
intestines were too small to fit a pencil
34:10
through. It's
34:12
a lot for Margaret to bear, and she reaches for a
34:14
pad to write it all down. The family
34:17
will certainly ask for details. That's
34:20
when Margaret notices. The pad on
34:23
doctor hazards desk is a blue
34:25
journal that once belonged to
34:28
Claire.
34:29
Then, Linda asks if she'd like
34:31
to see Claire's body and
34:33
Margaret blanches. How does
34:34
she still have
34:37
the body? Linda turns to her. Almost
34:40
smiling and says, yes,
34:42
I have her beautifully embalmed.
34:46
Embalming is still
34:46
a new process in nineteen eleven, and it's
34:49
not something that Claire had
34:51
ever expressed interest in. which
34:53
leaves Margaret all the more suspicious of
34:55
this
34:55
woman behind the desk. The
34:57
body she's shown looks
35:00
nothing like Claire, This figure
35:02
was less than fifty pounds when she died,
35:04
a ghost even before she left.
35:06
And there it is. That nagging
35:08
feeling that she's had ever since that
35:10
initial cable gram arrived comes to
35:12
a head as she finally sees Dorthea
35:15
in her cabin on the
35:18
The cabin is no bigger than a chicken coop with
35:20
one paneless window and
35:23
roughly fashioned plank door. Markard
35:26
enters and finds Dorothea little
35:28
more than a living skeleton. She
35:31
scoops her into her arms as
35:33
the woman acknowledges her presence. It was
35:36
ghastly. Just
35:36
ghastly. Market
35:37
will later explain about
35:39
that first encounter. I
35:42
was looking at a death's head. A skull was skin drawn
35:45
tightly over the bones. Over
35:47
it all was a
35:50
bluish tint.
35:51
and then a raspy weak voice,
35:54
Dorothea utters the same phrase
35:56
over and
35:58
over, desperate You have the power to take me away.
35:59
Haven't you? Tudi,
36:02
and a
36:02
name for Margaret. You can
36:05
take me away. Please. In
36:08
that moment, it's decided
36:10
Margaret could not
36:11
save Clare, but she
36:13
will
36:13
save Dorothea.
36:16
Permitted
36:16
to visit Dorthea often, Margaret sneaks food in
36:18
its tomato broth, she's being served, and manages
36:21
to send word to Claire and
36:23
Dorthea's uncle in Portland, Oregon. John
36:26
Herbert, who had already grown suspicious of the
36:28
hazards after learning of Claire's
36:30
death. They confer on
36:31
how and when to
36:34
rescue Dorthea. When
36:35
suddenly, Dorothea changes
36:37
her mind. Perhaps
36:38
it's Linda's influence or
36:41
her already weakened state. but she
36:43
adamantly refuses to leave, stating that she wants to
36:45
finish her treatment. But the more Margaret
36:47
learns about Linda
36:48
Hazard and
36:50
her sanitorium, the less she believes that
36:52
Dorothea is acting of her own free will
36:54
and a sound mind.
36:56
The sourest note
36:57
of all, comes when Margaret
37:00
notices Linda Hazard wearing
37:02
the Lake Claire's clothes and
37:04
hats around the premises without
37:06
a care in the world. yet
37:09
another patient who nobody left
37:11
their worldly possessions to the doctor
37:13
who tried so hard to
37:15
save them or as Margaret sees it,
37:17
a charlatan and murderer wearing her victim's
37:20
clothes. As Margaret and
37:22
John Herbert
37:22
worked to formulate
37:23
a plan, They
37:26
learned that Dorothea has already given the hazards power
37:28
of attorney and that they had been
37:30
quietly stealing her money throughout her
37:33
stay at Wilderness Heights. Even
37:35
more troubling is the revelation that
37:37
Linda and Samuel have
37:39
obtained legal guardianship over
37:41
Dorothea, citing her mental and
37:43
capability and they refuse to let her
37:45
leave with John and Margaret. At least not without
37:48
payment. In what can only be seen as
37:50
a ransom,
37:52
Linda Hazard and Samuel Hazard allowed John and Marlbert to
37:54
take custody of Dorthea for the
37:56
price of two thousand dollars.
37:59
just around sixty thousand in today's
38:02
money. The two of them are
38:04
appalled. What doctor goes to these lengths
38:06
to keep
38:08
a patient? only to sell them off to the highest bidder.
38:10
After intense
38:11
negotiations, John Herbert pays
38:13
an amount. The exact number
38:15
is not known. and Dorothea
38:18
is free. John Herbert,
38:20
Margaret, and Dorothea immediately go
38:22
to the authorities into Comma County. to
38:24
tell them about the atrocities being committed over at
38:27
Wilderness Heights. And it isn't that the police
38:29
don't know about it. Remember,
38:32
the deaths of Linda Hazard's patients have
38:34
already been widely reported
38:36
on, but the county simply
38:38
doesn't have the money to investigate all
38:40
the allegations. Until
38:42
Dorothea recovers.
38:44
When she
38:44
does, Dorothea is charged by
38:47
a sense of injustice for
38:49
her sister, for herself, and
38:51
she offers not only to testify on
38:53
the prosecution's behalf as a star
38:56
witness, but to fund
38:57
the investigation herself. She
38:59
barely escapes Linda Hazard. She will not let others face
39:01
the same fate. And in August
39:03
nineteen eleven, Linda Hazard
39:06
finally faced
39:08
justice. Police arrive at wilderness heights.
39:11
They find several patients
39:13
also near death. a
39:16
side. They take Linda Hazard
39:18
into custody, and the county prepares to go
39:20
to trial, charging her with
39:22
manslaughter and the death of
39:24
Claire Williamson. In
39:26
court,
39:26
Linda shows no remorse
39:28
and no shortage of excuses at
39:30
Theatrix. She claims she's being
39:32
persecuted because she's a woman.
39:35
because she's better than
39:36
all her male colleagues. She claims
39:38
that Margaret Conway and John Herbert's
39:41
claims are false. Just the
39:42
ramblings of grieved family members who can't deal with
39:45
the reality that their loved one
39:47
is dead and that Claire chose to
39:49
go to her instead of them.
39:50
She's fiery. She's
39:52
passionate in her defense of herself
39:55
and her methods. Her staff
39:56
and personal circle close ranks around
39:58
her. defending her, testifying to
40:00
her character, and saying anything
40:03
they can't make her appear
40:05
innocent. But
40:05
the prosecution's case
40:07
is better. And Dorothea is their star witness. The
40:10
jury finds her guilty of
40:12
manslaughter and the death of
40:13
Claire Williamson. But even as
40:16
she awaits her sentence, Linda
40:18
Hassard doesn't stop working
40:20
and people don't stop
40:21
coming to her for treatment. In
40:23
the time it takes the judge to decide on the length of
40:25
Linda's sentence, two more of her
40:28
patients will
40:30
die. Eventually, she
40:32
receives twenty years in prison in
40:34
Wallowala. Well,
40:36
one to twenty
40:38
years. She's released after just two in nineteen fifteen at
40:40
the age of forty eight. As she and Samuel
40:42
strike a deal with the governor of Washington,
40:44
she's given a full pardon
40:48
if she agrees to leave the United States. They
40:50
decide that New Zealand is
40:51
the place for them. So just
40:54
as they had when they
40:56
left Minnesota, they take off
40:58
for new lands
40:59
and new opportunities. But it's the
41:01
same old stuff from doctor
41:03
Linda Burfield Hassard. She publishes another book on
41:05
fasting, opens yet another clinic in New Zealand as a
41:08
dietitian and osteopath, and
41:10
continuous treating patients with the
41:12
same deadly
41:14
program she used in Washington. She also becomes
41:16
incredibly wealthy
41:16
during her time in New Zealand, and it
41:18
seems like she's yet again going
41:21
to skirt the consequences. until
41:24
nineteen seventeen. When a newspaper
41:26
in Mongia New England finds out
41:28
that doctor Hazard is practicing medicine
41:31
without a license. and
41:34
unlike Minnesota and Washington,
41:36
there's no loophole here that protects
41:38
her from the law. She's charged
41:40
in Auckland under the medical
41:42
practitioners act for, quote,
41:44
practicing medicine while not registered to
41:46
do so and quickly found guilty.
41:48
Unfortunately for
41:49
her victims, the sentence for this crime in New
41:51
Zealand at the time is a fine
41:53
of just five pounds. about
41:55
four hundred sixty two dollars and
41:57
thirteen cents in US dollars.
41:59
It's
41:59
nothing for a published and
42:02
working osteopath. but Linda
42:04
sees a riding on the wall. Her
42:06
opportunities are drying up, and she needs
42:08
to
42:08
find greener pastures. Plus,
42:11
Her heart is calling her back to
42:13
where she really feels she belongs.
42:16
She returns
42:18
to Alala. There, she opens up a new
42:20
sanitorium, immediately called a,
42:22
quote, school of health.
42:24
Since technically,
42:26
Linda's medical license was canceled by the state of Washington after
42:29
her manslaughter conviction. It doesn't slow
42:31
her down at all, though.
42:34
she continues to treat patients and oversee their fasting regimens. The
42:36
new buildings equipped with treatment
42:39
rooms as well as an
42:41
autopsy room in the basement because
42:43
of course, what school of health doesn't
42:46
mean its own room for
42:48
autopsy. All in all, twelve more
42:50
people will die
42:50
at this new school of
42:52
health. from Linda Hazard's starvation
42:56
tactics. It seems nothing will
42:57
stop her. Except
43:00
fate. in nineteen thirty
43:02
five, the School of Health runs to
43:04
the ground. Linda, now sixty
43:06
seven, does
43:07
not have the funds to
43:09
recoup her and the school is never
43:11
rebuilt. Then in nineteen thirty
43:14
eight, seventy year old Linda Burfield
43:16
Hazard Falls
43:18
ill. complaining of a series of maladies for several months.
43:20
And this is perhaps the strangest
43:22
part of her sordid story.
43:25
Linda. This
43:26
woman who so clearly played the role
43:29
of conwoman and hugs her entire
43:32
life, decides to undergo one of
43:34
her own fasting treatments to cure
43:36
herself. Even though she knows what the treatment
43:37
will do, she's seen at
43:40
least eighteen
43:40
of her patients die from this
43:43
and likely high as forty. So why do
43:46
it? Is it to prove a
43:48
point, stubbornness,
43:50
arrogance, Does she need to stick to her story so adamantly
43:52
that she'll die over it? Maybe she wanted
43:54
so badly to stick it to traditional medicine
43:56
that she refused to let
43:59
them in. even when they likely
44:02
would have
44:02
saved her life. Or is she truly a
44:03
martyr for her own
44:06
twisted cause? does
44:08
she really believe that her methods work and that her victims were merely
44:11
too weak willed to use them
44:13
properly? As is often the case, we
44:15
don't get a clear
44:17
answer. Linda Burfield Hassard
44:18
dies at the age of seventy as
44:20
a result of starvation and
44:24
exhaustion. What do
44:24
we take from the story? What
44:27
lesson can we learn from such a complicated, despicable
44:30
woman? We find this one
44:32
particularly difficult to make sense of because
44:34
in truth,
44:36
Linda Hazard's behavior betrays split motivation.
44:38
She was callous and efficacious,
44:40
swindling dying patients out
44:42
of their fortunes, their estates, out
44:45
of the literal clothes off
44:47
their backs. And she was a true
44:49
believer. A woman who put her faith
44:51
so deeply into her own methods that she was
44:53
willing to die for them.
44:55
Did she
44:55
see her victims as she wasted away herself in
44:58
those final moments? Was there
45:00
ever a shred of remorse, a
45:02
realization of just how many lives
45:04
she ruined? Or
45:06
did Linda believe until the very
45:08
end that she knew better than
45:10
all of them? Who
45:13
knows? but perhaps things might
45:15
have unfolded differently if only
45:17
as a child. She had
45:19
never been given that
45:22
little blue pill. Scoundrel.
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