Llisa Demetrios is the chief curator of the Eames Institute of Infinite Curiosity and the youngest granddaughter of Ray and Charles Eames. Situated on a ranch in Petaluma, CA, the Eames Institute is more than just a collection of the designer-duo's work but rather seeks to bring the lessons from their approach to tackle the problems of today. In this conversation, Jarrett and Llisa talk about what contemporary designers can learn from the Eames's process, how the Institute's property is a new type of Case Study Program, and the value of interdisciplinary thinking. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/235-llisa-demetrios.—If you enjoy the show, please consider supporting us on Patreon and get bonus content, transcripts, and our monthly newsletter! www.patreon.com/surfacepodcast