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sleepnumber.com. The

1:11

phone is out. That's the second time it's gone off. They

1:13

never go home, they never go home, they never go home,

1:15

those guys. That's,

1:21

yeah. They

1:23

are fast for that, really. Oh,

1:25

you can laugh. That was the World Cup. I'm a

1:27

little bit of an idealist, but

1:29

having said that, I want to be like me. You

1:33

don't know what you're talking about. What did you know? I'd like

1:35

to stay alive for six days. I'm going to need it. I'd

1:37

say it to you, but I can't say it to you now.

1:39

I'm down to one field, and we'll see them at win. What

1:41

you doing down here, you jolly man? In

1:44

the early part of this season, I may have stated my

1:46

opinion that Everton were going to go down, even

1:49

before they were hit with their various points deductions

1:51

having barely survived the last two seasons

1:53

and failing to win any of their first

1:55

five matches this time. I just felt their

1:57

long and illustrious stay in English football's top

1:59

flight. Put me in it. Grab

2:03

your plumber and I'm gonna take it out of the mcteep camp.

2:07

Let's go camp! Let's go

2:09

camp! This is the most epic

2:11

mcteep event I've ever seen. Yeah! It's

2:13

the camp! Some

2:16

people haven't forgotten that particular mcteep camp. I was

2:18

unforgettable as they are. Connor Cannon sent me a

2:20

link to the match report from Saturday Headline. Everton

2:22

secure their Premier League survival. So I guess you

2:24

were wrong Connor said to me. To which I

2:27

would respond. Hold your

2:29

horses Connor. Welcome to the

2:31

Monday Second Cup Football Podcast. Hi Connor. Hey.

2:34

How's it going? A

2:38

rising interest cost associated with the building of

2:40

the club's new stadium of Bremley Moor Duff.

2:42

Though that issue is unlikely to resolve before the end

2:45

of the season. So you know, you might claw a

2:47

point back from your two point ban. You've

2:49

already got six points, reduced from ten points.

2:51

But just you know another... It

2:54

would have to be a hefty one. I'm sure

2:56

the cost associated with your stadium is already

2:58

you are relegated. I feel like everyone should

3:00

just fly along and keep winning games. Yeah,

3:03

no they're doing alright. They might be taking

3:05

this out of the hands of the powers

3:07

that be. 35 points now. So they should

3:09

be okay. Sean Dicewerker's magic. They're also second

3:11

in the league for clean sheets. I

3:14

saw on match day, that's my own belive. And

3:16

they will be playing Premier League. Okay you have your

3:18

apology Connor. They will be playing Premier League Football next

3:20

season. They will be up there battling

3:22

for a top ten finish short enough. If

3:25

not for the points that have already been taken off them. So it's been

3:27

overall a fine season in trying circumstances. Season's

3:29

not over only. You know? I

3:31

mean I know what you've been saying about the

3:33

points deductions. It is hard for me to imagine

3:36

that you know, there's going to be major

3:41

repercussions from the interest situation. No there's not

3:43

going to be enough. I mean they would

3:45

have to probably lose all the rest of

3:47

their games. And I'd say get a good six

3:50

or seven points knocked off their current tolls without looting.

3:54

At the same time they are playing Luton and Sheffield

3:56

United in their next two matches. We'll be good just

3:58

to you know. just

4:01

to increase the gap there well i mean

4:03

what would forlorn do in this scenario you

4:05

know i mean i haven't watched a lot

4:07

of it since that time they absolutely screwed

4:09

back for stopping out of the uh...

4:11

world title well i made yet

4:14

that i mean that's what i mean i have never yet have

4:17

to look back they absolutely have that one to

4:19

max first happen remember that alright uh...

4:21

but no i mean let's just see

4:23

how they get on the first game what

4:26

is the most narrative-driven points deduction they could

4:28

give everton band really

4:56

alone north

4:58

lindon derby had

5:00

been looking for course

5:07

of the program because i'm in fact maybe that is the way it's going

5:09

to turn out you know i saw her

5:12

are now the front and with three

5:14

games to go and i'm interested in him and they can win that which

5:18

is that you've got to win that can and let's

5:23

go along with the pretense that yes in the time to raise a

5:29

well you know they may not you know what i'm

5:31

still with no plan to have a message uh...

5:35

once it gets a report of pretty ropy

5:38

you know there was a few good few near

5:40

missus edison seems to be out now maybe for the

5:42

season to be jesus arm in the game or take

5:45

a look at your camera uh...

5:47

he's played a few games recently if you just

5:49

had tried to be head back

5:51

i a little less energetically butt

6:00

Yeah, it was in

6:02

the end a very, I think a very, very

6:04

disappointing day for Tottenham. Very

6:06

disappointing. And obviously, in

6:09

conversing a great day for Arsenal, there was

6:11

some wonderful footage of the interactions

6:13

between the Arsenal players and the Tottenham fans. As

6:16

two of the decisive moments of

6:19

the game came from corners, and

6:21

we had Bukayo Saka being

6:23

told, you let your country down by the

6:25

Tottenham fans as he went to, then knocked

6:27

in the corner for the first goal, which

6:29

Hui Biu obviously scored, and then

6:32

Rice for the second one being roundly abused

6:34

by a collection of Tottenham fans, only

6:36

to put in the corner and then turn around and abuse them

6:39

straight back. So, you know, it

6:41

was very enjoyable from the point of view.

6:43

Of course, the game wasn't as dead as

6:46

it seemed to be at half time, it

6:48

turned out. But I

6:50

wondered what you thought was the dissatisfaction during the game on?

6:53

Because there's a couple of candidates.

6:55

There's a factor in the game, what

6:58

Spurs inability to defend set pieces? Yeah.

7:00

Possibly refereeing decisions, but can we go a

7:03

week without talking about that? This is the

7:05

thing, right? This is the problem. I

7:07

agree with you. I think that

7:09

you were correct about the Spurs inability to

7:11

defend set pieces being the major

7:13

difference maker here. At the same

7:15

time. Kai Haverst, I should have said that. Well,

7:18

we'll talk about Kai Haverst, we will talk about Kai Haverst with

7:20

the guys. Yeah, that Everton guy got

7:22

into me as well, though apparently I was wrong

7:24

as well. I think I probably was. I'll have

7:26

a couple of things. There have been quite a

7:28

few people getting on with that. But

7:30

Haverst, as well, they might have had quite

7:32

a few. The Nunez, your Nunez detractors have

7:34

kind of gone quiet. They're

7:38

probably pretty quiet, are they? They'll come back when they record.

7:41

Yeah, it's Haverst. But,

7:43

yeah, set pieces. But

7:46

there is also the refereeing issue that you referred to.

7:49

And the

7:52

referee, Michael Alver, did make a decisive... Well,

7:55

he didn't actually intervene. But it decided the

7:57

course of the game. However,

8:00

it's obviously being lauded. He

8:02

had a great, obviously scored the third goal,

8:05

had a great pass to Saka. The only reason he's

8:07

able to make that pass is the referee has decided

8:09

not to give Tottenham a cut and

8:11

dry penalty for a

8:13

trip on Kolesensky. I don't really understand

8:16

what's going on here. I mean, it

8:19

was really extraordinary. I thought the

8:21

rice penalty that eventually was given, if

8:24

you watch Michael Oliver there, the

8:27

ball had come into the box where I

8:29

think Rashardson maybe had gone to try and

8:32

volley it and it had been cleared or

8:34

maybe blocked by an Arsenal player. And the

8:36

Spurs crowd shouted for a handball, which it

8:38

wasn't. Oliver did the swiping

8:40

of arms. No. As

8:42

he was doing that swipe of arms, the ball was

8:46

gently falling out of the sky towards the

8:48

edge of the box where Declan Rice fought

8:50

on the ball all the way, was

8:52

preparing to absolutely welly it up the field,

8:54

only for Ben Davis to nip in front

8:56

of him and Rice stepped. Well,

8:59

we all saw what happened. I mean, he practically volleyed

9:01

Ben Davis. He cleared Ben Davis. Again,

9:03

Michael Oliver, if he's standing right there, flamboyantly

9:06

does his no, that's not

9:08

a penalty. It's

9:10

something like absolutely incredible. This guy is standing

9:12

right there looking at that. That was the

9:14

fifth appeal, I guess, that he had turned

9:16

down because there was two in the move

9:20

before Arsenal's second goal. So I

9:23

think the Gulliszewski won the penalty. The Madison one is

9:25

debatable because Rice didn't get the ball. The Madison one's

9:27

not a penalty. Rice didn't get the ball. I just

9:29

thought everything's an appeal. I mean, if it's an appeal,

9:31

there's no grounding for it. Also,

9:33

by the way, Vyar got the job done. They

9:36

did it right. They sent Oliver over to the

9:38

screen for the Rice thing and they became a

9:40

penalty. Well, I'm not... Is that not the system

9:42

working? Yeah, I mean, imagine if they hadn't done

9:44

that. You know, in cases. Okay,

9:47

so remember, the other one that had happened

9:49

was just before Pedro Paz was in the

9:51

car, had run into the box and Martinelli

9:53

just kind of stepped across him and knocked him

9:55

down, right? That's also a foul. That's a penalty.

9:58

No, that's not a penalty. And then

10:01

it comes to this Rice one, where

10:03

literally Rice has just absolutely booted a guy right in

10:05

front of him, right in front of the referee. I

10:08

think at that point that Jared Gillitt, who was the

10:10

VAR, was kind of thinking, Right.

10:14

You're not going to like this, Michael, but you might want to

10:16

check that out. It's actually for the best that you go to

10:19

the screen now, because otherwise we're going to have

10:21

a clip statement. They're going to be talking about which

10:23

teams we support. This is going to

10:25

be big, Michael. I suggest. And then

10:27

he looked at it and he said, oh yeah, fair enough. OK,

10:29

guys. But you know, this is apparently

10:31

the level to which you have to get. Now I

10:33

see people saying, oh, well, this just

10:36

goes to show that it's good to have

10:38

VAR because otherwise that wouldn't have been a

10:40

penalty. Yeah, exactly. No, I disagree. Because

10:43

I think that what's happening is increasingly this

10:45

sort of that a lot

10:47

of that decisions which the referee would otherwise be making

10:49

are kind of slipping between the cracks of the referee

10:52

going, I'm not going to give anything on

10:54

the basis that VAR will correct me.

10:56

But then VAR says, well,

10:59

I'm going to go with your own field decision, which is a

11:01

non-decision. And so you

11:03

get like a kind of a general, actually

11:07

a less strict approach. Yeah,

11:11

but in the case of yesterday, it did work. And

11:14

on a lot of occasions. It

11:17

didn't work in the sense that if it had

11:19

worked, that Arsenal goal should have been disallowed. And

11:21

a penalty, given that it's not in the mindset. No, I mean, the Rice incident

11:24

was a classic case where the referee has missed

11:26

something or has been just not worthy

11:29

of penalty and VAR has gone and since

11:31

the referee over to have a look. We

11:34

have fallen into the trap that you

11:37

alluded to at the beginning, which

11:39

is that although this is a crucial

11:41

and decisive moment in the game, it

11:45

is fundamentally boring to talk about it. Why

11:48

don't we next week, right? It's too hard to say this now because right in the

11:50

middle of the broadcast. Next week in

11:52

advance, right, of next Monday's football podcast,

11:55

we say we're not going to mention refereeing decisions

11:57

no matter what happens. Even

11:59

if the title is Decided on a really

12:01

controversial part come on. We need a break

12:03

from this shit. No no no It's

12:07

hiring. It's constant like I mean it

12:09

was it was up to the wolves game There

12:12

was just constant sort of chance from the crowd.

12:14

You know see what you did. He's talking about

12:16

referees again I'm

12:18

talking about reaction the just the toxicity

12:20

of the entire book. Yeah, it's crazy

12:22

and then the West Ham Liverpool game

12:25

there was another weird episode for The

12:28

referee Anthony Taylor in this case appeared to

12:30

make up rules to

12:32

justify his His

12:34

own non-decision he looked up So Cody

12:36

Gackpo running in about this score goal

12:39

after the ball had just been thrown

12:41

to him by the injured

12:43

goalkeeper boys. Yeah Are

12:46

you not injured enough that the refs had

12:48

stopped the game now? Yeah play on boom

12:50

throws about it Oh, no, Gackpo stop. Yeah,

12:52

but totally dissimilar to the Bayern With

12:55

Gackpo you're like just kick the ball into the goal, you

12:57

know Well,

13:00

he would have booked that's a people keep saying why didn't you say that

13:02

I don't know if he cares about a book We would have got a

13:04

yellow card straight away. Yeah That is

13:07

one reason why he didn't kick it in the goal

13:09

wouldn't have been given also wouldn't yeah It would have

13:11

been called off. It was the goal wouldn't have been

13:13

given because Taylor had whistled But there would have been

13:15

some questions to answer about why he

13:17

had decided to whistle at that point You know what?

13:19

I mean, so he missed the opportunity to but

13:21

anyway look it's Do

13:24

you create my premise for next week? No,

13:27

well, I don't think we can do that. I mean who's who's

13:29

playing this weekend Well,

13:31

I mean the title contender man city wolves Yeah,

13:34

I mean wolves. I've the wolves are probably Yeah

13:42

Bournemouth But there

13:44

was the other thing that you've read to him this did

13:46

the way this game is such a huge game

13:48

Everyone was you know hyped before especially Tottenham because

13:51

it's a case of you know, we can really

13:53

I mean that With

13:55

League we can be the ones to stop that in the

13:57

similar way that Averton and much, you know that I've been

14:00

sort of exulting over

14:02

their contribution to puncturing

14:05

Liverpool. And

14:08

then for it to kind of... It

14:11

was a real anti-climax because it's like, oh, you know,

14:13

it's such a simple goal, like an home goal. And

14:16

then this, you know, some

14:18

more controversial second goal, and then

14:20

another stupid set-piece goal. And

14:22

I think you've got to at some point recognise

14:25

there's a serious weakness there

14:27

that we're actually responsible for. This is not the

14:29

referee's fault. I mean, you can say, well, the

14:31

referee should be stopping what

14:34

Arsenal are doing to the goalkeeper, and this isn't fair.

14:36

But like, that's the way that it's been all season.

14:38

You have to... You know that nothing is going to

14:40

be done about that. So you have to deal with

14:42

it. And post-colonge, after

14:44

the game, is asked about this, you

14:47

know, the obvious weakness that's cost your team

14:49

the game here. And here's his

14:51

response. Yeah, no, because it's... It's

14:55

understanding where you are as a football team and...

14:59

You know, if I thought fixing defensive set-pieces

15:02

was the answer to us bridging the gap,

15:04

then, yeah, I'd put all my time

15:06

and effort into that. But it's not where we're at. For

15:08

us, it's about... You

15:11

know, when I was focused on the details of not

15:13

just set-pieces, a lot of moments

15:15

in games where we don't sense that,

15:19

you know, you give the opposite... Good opposition. The

15:23

time and the space to do things, and they're going

15:25

to hurt you. Yeah. I mean, especially

15:28

at the dead ball situations, I would have

15:30

thought. I mean, he referred out there like,

15:32

what kind of situation? And he referred to

15:34

the second goal in the

15:36

sense that he felt some of his players were, whoa,

15:39

that should be a penalty to us rather than

15:41

they've got the ball and we need to do

15:43

something. You know

15:45

what I mean? And Spurs, actually, if you

15:47

saw what they did, they... It's not like they

15:49

didn't run back. They all ran back. They ran back too much. That

15:51

was a problem. I mean, Harvard's just stopped.

15:54

Harvard's got the ball, turned around, saw they

15:56

were all running away from him. Pause for

15:58

like half a second. And then in

16:00

all the space he had picked out this ball to suck

16:03

it. So yeah, that's fine. Yeah, we've got to be,

16:05

you know, you've got to try and be switched on

16:07

at all times, sure. But when you're doing this repeatedly,

16:10

game after game, and when you do it in a

16:12

huge game like this and lose a game that you've

16:14

actually played quite well in because

16:17

of your inability to solve

16:20

one of the simpler situations, I

16:22

don't love that. It's who we are, mate. Yeah,

16:25

I don't... That quote is just a variation of

16:27

that. It's who we are. I'm more at the

16:29

point from Hans. I don't do it

16:31

that way. I don't know. I

16:34

mean, I don't know. Maybe he'll... Maybe

16:36

if you were reading that that will change. Well,

16:39

I think it will because it's kind

16:41

of Spurs' season has sort of...

16:44

the air has kind

16:46

of gone out of it in

16:48

a quiet way. People

16:51

haven't really... They haven't been playing much. They're

16:54

not in any clubs. They're not in

16:56

European competition. They keep having games

16:58

against teams that are still in the FA Cup, which

17:00

are postponed. I've thought about 17 games since the last

17:02

time Spurs. It's an incredible... So they

17:04

had two weeks. They had two weeks to

17:06

prepare for this game. Now, you can say that's actually... Maybe

17:08

that's too much because you want to have more of a

17:10

rhythm, but like, come on. If it's two weeks, you should

17:12

be able to work out some... Okay, what

17:15

do we know about Arsenal? One of the things that's a

17:17

really strong set piece is they made a huge thing out

17:19

of it. Everyone knows their set piece,

17:21

Coach. He's like the sixth or seventh most famous manager in

17:23

the league now. You know what I mean?

17:25

And maybe we should... And

17:28

they sort of don't do anything. But there must be a

17:30

logic to it beyond what he said there. Because

17:33

I just don't understand why he says, we just

17:35

don't like... Essentially, he's like, I don't want to

17:37

delegate this thing out. I want it to

17:39

be a part of the overall picture. But

17:42

basically, I want it to be coached by the current coaches

17:44

that we have. I just don't

17:46

understand why he would be sort of bound

17:49

to that. Even more

17:51

so now that he's actually said it publicly, this

17:53

is what we do. He doesn't believe in breaking

17:56

the game up into its constituent parts. Which is

17:58

fine. The only problem is that if you've... if

18:00

the teams at the top of the league are doing that

18:02

and everyone's like, whoa, look at this, you know, and they

18:04

seem to be getting really good results from that approach, then

18:06

people are going to look at your approach and go, are

18:08

you, your approach good? You wouldn't

18:10

even, you wouldn't even give players

18:13

individual videos to look at or anything

18:15

like that. If you went by that, if you took that to its conclusion, you

18:17

just, okay, lads, we're all just playing

18:19

five a side. You know, we're all obviously they work

18:21

on pattern and shape and all that kind of stuff,

18:23

but it does. That's a straight one. Yeah.

18:25

Well, I think that it contributes to a sort of

18:27

sense of, oh, are we

18:29

really kind of competing

18:32

at the very top level here? You know, when you, when you

18:34

look at Tottenham season, the first 10 games, eight wins and two

18:36

draws. So that was the best start any manager

18:39

had made in Premier League since, you know,

18:41

upon arriving there. So that was a

18:43

record start in that sense, by possible. It was an

18:45

incredible start and it sort of established

18:47

him immediately as, okay, this guy is, this

18:49

guy's game. She's like, what's happened since then?

18:52

They've won 10 matches out of 23 and

18:55

that's not

18:58

good. You know, if you look at the form table,

19:00

they're sort of mid table over

19:02

the last 10 matches. And what's

19:06

happened as a result of this is that

19:08

Aston Villa, a team that they clearly consider

19:10

themselves to be better than and who they

19:13

beat for nil really recently

19:16

are going to get to the Champions League ahead of them in

19:18

a season where Manchester United have had

19:20

a kind of a bad season. Chelsea obviously

19:22

have had a poor, another poor season. Newcastle

19:25

fell off from Zemore. So suddenly things have

19:27

sort of opened up for Tottenham and they've

19:29

been beaten there by Aston Villa. A team

19:31

that played 15 more, well, they haven't yet.

19:33

Of course we, you know, maybe

19:35

Tottenham are going to beat Man City and beat

19:38

Liverpool and Chelsea. You know

19:40

what I mean? But it does look as though, as

19:43

though Villa are in a great position now.

19:47

And Villa have played 15 more matches than, like,

19:50

Villa have played nearly 50% more matches than

19:52

Tottenham this season. Like, 15 is

19:55

an absurd amount more games for Aston

19:57

Villa to have played than Spurs. And

20:00

thirty six. So I think this is

20:02

this is a increasingly looking like a

20:04

missed opportunity for them. I just think

20:06

when when possible talk that way it's

20:08

kind of gonna militate against him in

20:10

the in the medium term. In terms

20:12

of people young when I'm going, sickness

20:15

is really the best we could be.

20:17

Is this really the best we could

20:19

be am doing? I mean other? You

20:21

also got the other perversely the other

20:23

extreme of viewers who he met him.

20:25

Robert. As Air B M in Ferguson

20:27

Charlie Mulgrew says last week for a

20:29

service members had a quick to every

20:32

caps. For those it didn't hear that

20:34

well it was starting logo on this

20:36

or this podcast called again I want

20:38

to say over the line now. He

20:41

said i want my neck itself I was

20:43

gonna open go. I opened go

20:45

Am sketchbook word China grew at

20:47

been on talking and he deeds

20:50

have referred to rescind ship that

20:52

he made to brighten where he

20:54

was doing. Look at Roberto deserve

20:56

these training methods and so on.

20:59

And and he was up zip

21:01

He looks very complimentary better but

21:03

it is every we should say

21:05

Eyes brilliant boots But then talks

21:08

about the very very detailed and

21:10

methodical am. Training. Sessions they

21:12

would do it in which which was

21:14

focus on build up play and he

21:16

now moving and essentially he said he

21:18

must be awful for Evan Ferguson who's

21:20

in it the boy for instance he

21:22

was just stand the islamic tallying coach

21:24

standing mine. I'm holding my shoulders turning

21:26

him this way and that way to

21:28

orientated towards the play but then they

21:30

kind of build up to ditch towards

21:32

him. he lays it off some of

21:34

them and they bother with we go

21:36

back to start nieces and never today's

21:38

hearing this must be desperate or five

21:40

sites never know. So that's maybe

21:42

the opposite extreme in terms of

21:45

rigor and Brighton are actually even

21:47

worse. And Tottenham for mice, it's

21:49

like this is they they last

21:51

six games like it's to add

21:53

two goals am to draws for

21:55

defeats, thirteen conceded like. This.

21:57

is incredible or else i'd say be more

21:59

excited Roberto D'Serbi than the rather

22:02

lukewarm reaction that Ironis lost to this weekend?

22:04

Well, it's interesting that they have, that

22:06

Liverpool have essentially overlooked

22:09

D'Serbi, right? Because it seems

22:11

as though they've, like when

22:13

you consider how good his

22:15

team has been, notably against the Liverpool,

22:18

right? They've had a couple of

22:20

great, they slaughtered them last season,

22:22

if you remember. Did they

22:24

beat them in both the cup and

22:26

league? They definitely gave them

22:29

a 3-0 beating at one point. Remember there

22:31

was a famous Mito Ma flicking

22:34

the ball over Joe Gomez's head and all this kind of

22:37

thing. And they really, his very

22:39

first game I think was at Anfield, wasn't it? It was a

22:41

three-hole draw when Trussard was still playing for Brighton. And

22:45

obviously they played some fantastic football, but

22:47

okay, the form has did, D'Serbi cites

22:49

injuries and so on. I mean Liverpool have

22:51

overlooked Gary O'Neill as well. And Gary O'Neill's

22:53

team are above Brighton at the moment. Yeah.

22:57

I mean, you know, like you could

22:59

say that D'Serbi has very

23:01

good ideas about football. That

23:03

is self-evident. But

23:05

I mean, his team have been pretty terrible this

23:07

year. You know, like they started

23:09

the season brilliantly. You talk about Spurs and

23:12

their brilliant, like Brighton started the season absolutely

23:14

brilliantly. But they've been terrible. Five wins in

23:16

their first seven and six wins since then

23:18

in the next like 25 matches or something.

23:22

That is really bad. Yeah.

23:25

And you get the feeling of a kind of

23:27

a team that's sort of almost forgotten how to

23:30

play. Like, you know, like they're

23:32

sort of so schooled in like this way

23:34

of playing that they've almost, they're sort of

23:37

frazzled. Like, I can't really, I don't know what

23:39

to do anymore. Get me out of here.

23:42

And yeah, I don't

23:44

know, somewhere in the middle of this sort of Goldilocks

23:47

type situation, somewhere between Anj and

23:50

D'Serbi. I don't know if

23:52

very kind of haggis close to that Goldilocks

23:54

mark. He did say after their game, Manchinetta's

23:56

latest 1-0 draw against Burnley,

23:58

we are working. of the most

24:00

dynamic and entertaining teams in the league at this

24:03

moment. I really know that about that. They've

24:05

definitely been the most entertaining. I

24:08

mean, put Man City up against

24:10

Manchester United on the entertainment stage this season. I

24:12

mean, it's not even close. Well, it's remarkable that

24:14

those comments, it sounds like Tanhag is sort of

24:16

just sitting back and joining the show at this

24:18

stage himself. It's like, you don't know what mad

24:20

shit we'll get up to next. Have a look

24:22

at this scene, they're amazing. Yeah, it's really

24:25

astonishing. He also

24:27

came out with, I thought, a weird one where

24:30

he was like, oh,

24:33

these great Man United teams, don't forget, they didn't

24:35

always play great. For example, the 2004 or 2005

24:37

season wasn't very good. I

24:40

thought it wasn't like that. That's just an

24:43

unbelievable thing for him to say. Like the

24:45

2004 or 2005 season, okay, wasn't a vintage

24:48

Manchester United season. Do you know

24:50

where they finished the league? Do you remember where they finished the league? Second.

24:53

No, I was going to say third. They finished

24:55

third behind him. Jose Mourinho's title-winning

24:57

Chelsea and Arsenal's not invincible

25:00

anymore, ex-invincibles. Yeah, they

25:02

finished with 77 points. Currently,

25:09

they've got 54, which is

25:11

less than David Moyes had when he was

25:14

actually sacked at this point of the season

25:16

when he was a Manchester United manager. So

25:18

to even make that comparison

25:21

is just crazy. They also had Rooney

25:23

and Ronaldo. Just forget every other season.

25:25

And still, even with the season that

25:27

you've ridiculously picked out of your arse

25:29

from 19 seasons ago, you're still getting

25:31

your arse absolutely handed to you. Literally.

25:35

If you look at that, they also

25:37

lost the co-final that year or lost

25:39

the final in penalties to... Well,

25:41

I suppose they could do the same. To a closet roll.

25:43

They could be doing the same. They

25:46

could well be doing the same. But

25:48

I don't know if you saw, when Peter Schmeichel,

25:50

he was out there with Richard Keyes

25:52

and then Andy Gray. And

25:55

Jason Maxier, who must have some kind of

25:57

permanent Vegas style residency in Doha. But

26:01

Peter Schmeichel was... Kesey

26:04

seemed to have him on the run a little bit.

26:07

It was as though Peter Schmeichel was privy to some

26:09

secret information that he didn't want to blab out in

26:11

full view of the being sports viewers.

26:14

Oh, Barry, what's going on with everything

26:16

like the future? Well, I'm just

26:19

guessing. Has he got anything we're talking about? It just

26:21

sounded as though maybe he had... Someone

26:23

had... He understood, let's say. It

26:26

seems as though Peter Schmeichel understood that there was

26:28

a chance that Thomas Tookle might be... Oh,

26:30

okay. ...the next match with the Iron Manager, and

26:32

he was being prodded, prodded, but reluctant to actually

26:35

come out and say it. But we all knew what was going on.

26:38

Thomas Tookle is obviously going to be leading Bayern

26:41

in their Champions League Sunday for this

26:43

week against Real Madrid. I don't

26:45

know if you've been following the latest goings-on

26:48

there. Ah, Bayern. With Tookle.

26:52

Well, Erle Höness, who obviously is still just doing

26:55

an interview every week or whatever, he

26:58

says, yeah, you know, the thing

27:00

about Tookle, who is, by the way, still his manager,

27:03

he says he doesn't think he can

27:05

improve someone like Davis, Pavlovic, or Musiala.

27:07

If it doesn't work, just buy someone

27:09

else. This is it. I

27:11

think that you should work hard on players

27:13

and give them confidence. A

27:16

coach should improve young players and give

27:18

them a hug. So basically, he portrays

27:20

Tookle as the opposite of this. Tookle

27:22

says, this is so far from reality

27:24

that I don't even know how to

27:26

answer it. It is an

27:28

insult to my coaching honour. If

27:31

we have proved something, we always give young players, especially from

27:33

the economy, a place in training and pitch. There are three

27:35

examples in this incorrect statement. I

27:37

cannot understand it. I have very

27:39

little understanding. This is absolutely baseless.

27:42

Says he wouldn't even respond to it if it didn't come

27:44

from someone like Erle Höness. He says, I'm not going to shut

27:46

up. I'm not going to stop giving

27:49

my opinions. That's a

27:51

news lie to this. Tookle then started

27:53

listing off players he'd given a chance at, which reminds me

27:56

a little bit of a choice of Maria once doing the

27:58

same thing. List

28:00

of all his. These. Guys who

28:02

did I I was interested see name

28:04

Andre sure that. As.

28:06

Thomas total was sucking andre show that share

28:09

those when its players he get during burn

28:11

rusher that I thought wow haven't heard his

28:13

name for what. What? I'm the

28:15

hint. Turns out that he retired age

28:17

twenty nine in twenty twenty, unnoticed by

28:19

me, This. Is the guy who had

28:21

set up the winning go in the twenty fourteen

28:23

broke of I am. I think he scored two

28:26

goals and seven. one. Ah,

28:28

I'm. The. Same as when semifinal

28:30

gave up fair football saying yeah, i'm

28:32

injured for civil That was probably the

28:35

main from but also I'm really sick

28:37

of this. At. The same

28:39

are. Being. A air,

28:41

The loneliness. The. Bullshit.

28:44

Everything about this profession repels

28:46

me as pleasantries. I have

28:49

decided at Twenty Nine to

28:51

color the day. As

28:54

account is resisting. Don't

28:58

assume. He's

29:01

not Six. Is the most him on love

29:03

to have. Dozens of

29:05

forces. Southwest

29:14

and on this week Jonathan How I

29:16

and I well thanks I am very

29:18

well thank you are got Lara Civets

29:20

and last has a farm very good

29:22

height and us Can we start by

29:24

talking about the player the Arsenal player

29:26

who has single handedly keeping this title

29:28

race so much semi partially ally on

29:31

talking about the much maligned by Can

29:33

Kite have artists described by Barney Ronay

29:35

as playing like Harry Kane Yes a

29:37

drop the been passed beautifully. He held

29:39

the ball with his back to goals.

29:41

He won seven headers made for Clarence.

29:43

Is tackled intercepted south key past he see

29:45

the times the operating his own clean clear

29:48

space or on thing about like a medical

29:50

student on a phone runs that is a

29:52

good Barney Ronay my spine always deceptively quick

29:54

and shaft like in his movements. I put

29:56

it to you last. Guy. Adverts is

29:58

assigning a disease. Well as

30:01

am obviously delighted to see. Get.

30:03

That question having been in a tie Harvard's

30:06

truth or for for for many years I

30:08

I believe anti Harvard say I believe that

30:10

he exists and and that he is actually

30:12

a very very good footballer who has just

30:14

at times their struggle to find his position

30:16

during his time in England and before he

30:19

was at Arsenal played for some pretty dysfunctional

30:21

teams hands counting the time as you for

30:23

a long time. Ten believe for a long

30:25

time but it's fate find the way but

30:27

have Edu always remain strong. Could he did

30:30

circle the settler the on the season he

30:32

was given a sort of sympathy penalty. To

30:34

to get things going for him. but in

30:36

the last. One. Son The last fifteen

30:38

games is for a cold and have five assists.

30:40

But. I would. I would confess that my

30:43

face many wavered a little bit in the

30:45

as When arts as a bra some in

30:47

hoping to make him a midfielder again which

30:49

courses what he was and Leverkusen before he

30:52

came to England I thought yes the seems

30:54

like a good idea. I love a sort

30:56

of footballing fixer upper and and when that

30:59

didn't work that was a little bit of

31:01

a disappointment. A So I may have wavered

31:03

little bit but I didn't go full one

31:05

eighty in the manner of them Mr. Early

31:08

hair and it is a funny thing that

31:10

having seemed. A little bit ill at ease

31:12

and when he was that, I'm shoehorned in

31:14

a centre forward at at Chelsea. that is

31:17

a position where he seems to work in

31:19

this. they're slightly different Arsenal team in the

31:21

playing as the as at the Hurricane comparisons

31:23

I see not a bad one, the fight

31:25

they can come off and and linked play,

31:28

the fact that he hasn't been deceptively good

31:30

in the air and and I think he

31:32

gets a lot of stick because he looks.

31:34

he has the sort of slightly dopey look

31:36

about him, like he can look a bit

31:39

casual. I get a lot of still shots.

31:41

Of Guy hours where he looks half

31:43

asleep and he said he doesn't he

31:45

doesn't. The run around with a huge

31:47

sort of and Robbie Keane ask intensity

31:49

chasing every loose ball like a maniac

31:51

and but actually be watching very closely.

31:53

He wins a lot of physical challenges

31:55

like he is a real ham folks

31:57

and then he combines last would great

31:59

link up play. If only he was

32:01

a slightly more consistent finisher obviously, but

32:03

but that may still com and he

32:05

is proving his worth. And to the

32:07

theme, random Eighty Five Hatters can is

32:09

when Eighty Five Headers has season twelfth

32:12

on the list of Europe's top Five

32:14

Leagues for attackers in Mcmanus. Have

32:18

one of Havens must say that was

32:20

nothing to say? is that like I?

32:22

I mean at this I just find

32:24

this this hurricane comparison that zero in

32:26

on our. Spitzers,

32:30

Would you say to hurricane. Will

32:32

just say it's a bit, it's a

32:34

bit. Harris Perry cameo sitting Hurricanes Gordon

32:36

is assisting and. I. Thought how it's

32:38

eight. And. This isn't the sensational

32:40

the run of form which is

32:42

resting the family by from Mississippi

32:44

companies, hurricane hood. And. As

32:47

ascertain sword like sixteen. Fifteen.

32:49

Goals. But don't you know this season they are?

32:51

You have to forty six and have it's fifteenth.

32:54

I'm from owning an exactly the same does have

32:56

it's still have a way to go from. I

32:59

mean. He's clearly not

33:01

Hurricane A. I think the The Elements of is

33:03

gonna like Harry Kane nothing. He saw them. On

33:06

Sunday. I. Am enough.

33:09

Isis. I've I've followed the same path. As

33:11

law says, it says, I so wanted to

33:13

believe in kind of. It's which probably kept

33:15

me believing longer than it was reasonable to

33:17

do so, but I think this is easy

33:19

to read. interesting plagues. It's an odd bundle

33:21

that attributes he. Doesn't seem. attributes group together

33:23

in that way. So much that he's if

33:25

he's really good with his back to go,

33:28

he's really good in the air. And

33:30

yet he has a. He says like some

33:32

weird mix of now quinn him as a result

33:34

which doesn't really make any sense and I think

33:36

a lot of a lot of people have really

33:38

struggled to work out what to do with it.

33:40

But in this acids team at the moment. It.

33:43

Seems to be working and it's at it.

33:45

seems to into Germany as well. I wonder.

33:48

Whether against seems to sit deep against any other

33:50

playful cook I suspect that's what they they might

33:52

say that the he the his best when the

33:55

space behind them to play a surge of of

33:57

be able is bucks ago. The place around say

33:59

was as. The Mcnally Day and sigh

34:01

I think is he's a kiss. His

34:03

specific I don't need ever going to

34:05

be politik is as Kane. But.

34:08

It's I am very pleased that

34:10

some be worked out and was

34:12

sort of. For. Five months?

34:14

What you day when you have

34:17

somebody with with the say odds

34:19

a collection of of skills yeah

34:21

you say Mclennan. and he was

34:23

is awesome Matter as of me.

34:26

he's like a short Peter Crouch.

34:28

You know he's He's technically good.

34:30

As you know he sees obviously

34:33

bit skinny not tolls Peter Crouch

34:35

and he scores Pepsi. Many ghosts

34:37

am I am. My. Question

34:40

would be. Dealers.

34:43

Given that advertise sodas been a he's been

34:45

a bit of a a gamble for our

34:47

data which of moment seems to be as

34:50

he's to be working at. I find it

34:52

interesting that his the position which is. Nice.

34:55

Exceeding is when the Gabriel Jesus was

34:57

bought to play in the previous summer

34:59

and now he sort of been sidelined

35:01

a little bit at what these things

35:03

are so gonna do this summer. Do

35:05

they say? Well, that's one position the

35:07

same. We don't need to worry about

35:09

that central attacking position cause Kite Habits

35:11

has got that. Positions are awesome. Gonna

35:13

say we actually need someone is going

35:15

to school more than fifteen off in

35:17

a. While since I, first

35:19

of all, I'd. I. Think it's entirely

35:22

possible that guy how it's going to more than

35:24

testing else if he plays that position for an

35:26

entire season, we don't know that and I just

35:28

want a throne. I love the short Peter Crouch

35:30

as now Quinn and Method as of I'd my

35:33

go to is always been that I may even

35:35

a said on this podcast before if you sort

35:37

of take steamy tab at home and in Miami

35:39

touted by like and put him into a blender

35:41

and just comes when just sort of since and

35:44

and put it back together as a human being

35:46

as that might be comments and I networks because

35:48

he was that is it him or Bourbon hobby

35:50

than biology. I would say nope yeah but

35:52

that's more to do with he used to

35:55

be Atlanta cruising make those midfield runs from

35:57

midfield was by his big parties that that's

35:59

where the biology. My

36:01

mind certainly the Barbuto thing is that is

36:03

also president of the for They actually played

36:06

left back earlier in the season the front

36:08

with a German national team still highlighting that

36:10

people really have struggled to find out what

36:12

to do with this guy's. Nimit

36:15

Mortier point. I definitely think Arsenal could

36:17

do with a set of more traditional

36:19

center forward type player in their squad.

36:21

To is not Eddie and can't that?

36:23

That's probably a fair thing to say.

36:25

even if you have Gabi inches. Is

36:27

there an anti harvest Now being an

36:30

option that you want there to be

36:32

an option is to long season lot

36:34

of competitions. But. I

36:36

live under as and the was and would

36:38

Reagan did the whole problem with their a

36:40

tame comparison as well. He's not that I

36:42

don't think I have as will ever be

36:44

that kind of an instinctive super finisher. But.

36:47

The thing to remember and.

36:50

It's. Some it's impressive, better

36:52

the Dharma newness. Conversations well with these

36:54

forwards who are not exactly what we

36:56

want and are used to seeing in

36:59

the centre forward. Sometimes it's funny, easy

37:01

to sometimes focus on the things that

37:03

they don't brains and forget all the

37:05

things that they do. But you can

37:07

certainly find a striker who will be

37:10

more prolific finisher upfront for Arsenal than

37:12

tie. Harvard's is as lymphoma, easily ten

37:14

with our newness. But with Guy Harvests

37:16

will you find this writer who gives

37:19

you that finishing quality. Who also brings

37:21

all the stuff that I have a springs

37:23

off the ball in terms of pressing and

37:25

sensors link up. Play in terms of isn't

37:27

surprising aerial ability similar would Dive and Nunez.

37:29

Will you find a striker who is a

37:31

better finisher but who works as hard as

37:33

he does this and stuff is not. As

37:36

simple you can subtract one guy average and

37:38

add a man who finishes spew also subtracted

37:40

s a hell of a lot of other

37:42

things from the team said encourage of wrath

37:45

of on the he's doing this at this

37:47

age and season when traditionally that that sometimes

37:49

fallen off a he is carrying the fighting

37:51

for innocence and can a statement I have

37:53

it's for two seconds and talk about spurs

37:55

is. Sneaking.

37:57

As a set pieces, Jonathan and.

38:00

There. He. An own willingness

38:02

were on spots on his own wedding.

38:04

This sir philosophically the counted in the

38:06

idea of bringing in a specialist who

38:08

might help to fix this problem that

38:10

was on full display. A city. Yeah.

38:14

I think teams have worked out that the karaoke

38:16

can be bullied with. Within swing is. I'm.

38:19

Enough somebody from his everyone just puts

38:21

it in so years and evidence that

38:23

the pressure mounts on a my. Every

38:25

time the team scores it it gets

38:27

worse. I'm. Idea is

38:29

it misses the the big time to have that. Possibly

38:31

A I think a lot of what he's done has

38:33

been very very good. But. I'm

38:35

not sure how of thing so I was just wait. I

38:38

might. More. In. Your.

38:40

The by you play him sleazy. Conceding a lot ago.

38:42

some supplies or seems to be an obvious thing that

38:44

you can work on it. only these put right. I'm

38:46

in limbo. Had a poem for will not be able

38:49

to censor plays. It it takes

38:51

time. But.

38:53

It it's is clearly probably

38:55

got I think. She.

38:59

Actually, generally such as Arsenal and such a sudden

39:01

them. Into. In corners

39:03

of back on they they they they they die see.

39:07

A prensa do them all the time. And.

39:09

Say he scored of all night against for us to

39:11

me for a total that sending supplies as well. And.

39:14

It yeah I wonder if it's degrees when

39:17

a cycles We're going say that when I

39:19

saw Obsessed to Keep as being able to

39:21

pass out from the back we've sold forgotten

39:23

that it's also like it up a keeper.

39:25

he can smash the players and catch a

39:27

ball. I. Allow them to

39:29

stamps machine see players in that manner

39:31

of under an honor. Yeah, although I

39:33

mean it's on owning the cars. Been

39:36

very good for Tottenham the season overall

39:38

and he's a too much to imagine

39:40

that they might. Try. To

39:42

help him in some way. The situation see

39:44

now. when Ben why goes over and to

39:47

starts having his way with him that somebody

39:49

might my cormorants. Hey Ben, why are you

39:51

can't you can't do that? You know that's

39:54

my goal Keeper You've You've gotta show more

39:56

respect. Well America could Could something like this

39:58

not of. It refer am

40:00

on Star came on as I can have.

40:02

he actually did start to do that with

40:04

seem like he's doing on a on is

40:07

omniscient, a team like on him since should

40:09

obviously have that worked out in advance and

40:11

and somebody to do the job at every

40:13

corner. He. Admitted as

40:15

all the talk about it's our

40:17

asses. So. Please couch and told

40:19

the post of work he's done. It

40:22

so I they've got sort of a a catalogue

40:24

is he out of hundred set pieces eat and

40:26

which one's gonna be a lot of them in

40:28

thing as soon he opposed to people. Babbling.

40:31

Across from the back post. That's.

40:33

The basic when you gotta work at a stop and.

40:36

I'd I'd if taught them how to plan to

40:38

deal with a be was clearly inadequate so. Whether.

40:41

You data by. Having somebody

40:43

wrestling with and whites. And

40:45

now it's email this thing today or then the why

40:47

you wouldn't the that isn't enough. be some a bit

40:49

ugly big yeah you just get somebody take. The.

40:51

A Get in the way it and why

40:54

is he trying to get in the way

40:56

the keep A.that seems a relatively straightforward thing

40:58

him he could have done to to to

41:01

to stop that near ambler season got Pasco

41:03

glue am. On Sunday may be was

41:05

sitting there might have a. A. Bit of

41:07

a problem. Am. Going.

41:10

To say going forward. With. The

41:12

this to serve perception I'm a lack of rigor

41:14

you know lucky he said about said he goes

41:16

out on to that of a barber like it

41:18

depends on the it's fine to say I don't

41:20

I don't agree with I don't agree with in

41:22

in having his. Little

41:25

section where we were we do this i one

41:27

little to be collects of an old to be

41:29

holistic right this is kind of is He didn't

41:31

say oldest of yesterday but out but after the

41:33

game as I mean that which they lost them

41:36

said he says you know by by can seem

41:38

to simple ghosts am he said well you know

41:40

if I thought I could make. The difference I'd

41:42

I'd put all my time and energy into sort

41:44

of dismissive I think for I think the to

41:47

find the source of really annoying after a while

41:49

like there's only certain number of like simple go

41:51

the goulet in before we second one is this

41:53

guy not do something about as it's it's good

41:55

enough for Arsenal a man city to do things

41:57

that way. Why is it not good enough. War

42:00

and foster gargling. Yeah

42:03

and it reminds your little bit about

42:05

how Guardiola sometimes references set pieces, particularly

42:07

if his team has conceded goes to

42:09

them. It's kind of almost like a

42:11

dismissive think like we will heard Guardiola

42:13

post mess in two years where he'll

42:15

say we we played very well but

42:17

you know concede vib set pieces But

42:19

I'm is that there are some of

42:21

these coaches who can the themes by

42:23

that they feel the set pieces are

42:25

almost the a lesser former. The game

42:27

according own little has less important Guardiola

42:29

has brought in like how does does

42:31

he deserve as much. As coach did you

42:34

know obvious and mom has the game that

42:36

hours him an onion. That's very much so.

42:38

that point I was guessing the other side

42:40

by. if you are one of those characters

42:42

who feel that this is not something you're

42:44

interested in, maybe just have a guy to

42:46

do for you because it at the end

42:48

that of a Wilson. Correct me if my

42:50

numbers around but I think it's something like

42:53

twenty five to thirty percent of goes come

42:55

from set pieces they had it's It's a

42:57

significant part of have scars and and and

42:59

and you you have to even if you

43:01

find it less interesting. Our and. Less pure

43:03

and less whatever adds that. Maybe it's not the

43:05

thing a coach like postcode. we are Guardiola. whoever

43:08

gets up in the morning excited about minutes and

43:10

coast this coach the hell out of them set

43:12

pieces today and the training us that the and

43:14

the that's probably not how he had looks and

43:16

as. But. It's so important. actual

43:18

outcome sites are just just get a separate

43:21

coast and because it's such an incredibly separate

43:23

game mode to what you do the rest

43:25

of your time and makes total sense time

43:27

coaches that are fully dedicated to that site.

43:29

Oh and sign my mum prose eyepiece coaches

43:31

and and I can definitely see your point

43:33

that this sets it because if they continue

43:36

to lose games this way and his soda

43:38

dismissive attitude will start to grace and a

43:40

pretty big way. Yeah, I think it's been

43:42

a big change. The I Got Out approaches

43:44

the game as as know that if you

43:46

think back to spotlighted same. And. I

43:48

know that that same as pretty much they all five

43:50

foot seven, five eight. To maybe just knocking the bone,

43:53

the buck said the up for ya. The bus gets

43:55

us a message to God and that wasn't the sense

43:57

away playing. But that. They.

44:00

Pretty much took every corner short. They were

44:02

so creating another another yet that is sort

44:04

of set piece open play which is what

44:06

got out. I love So the the hell

44:08

are we We've we work as others this

44:10

why we all know are we are. We

44:12

all know what are tickets are and then

44:14

we go. On the corner which is

44:16

a as of the shortcut to get to that rather than

44:18

not and a box of the Big Lad. Monday.

44:20

Were at a city ground on to

44:23

see my see cities I just experts

44:25

said peace and was safe as can

44:27

say The mean just who trial scored

44:30

a spooky please score as many houses,

44:32

conferences or five cents. Per

44:35

cent mckenna he cannot stop as

44:37

scoring is sky am what stare

44:39

what did you make First of

44:41

all are just as briefly of

44:44

of cities says cities Overall performance.

44:47

At didn't have been a great to than us

44:49

but it is a set you on games unbeaten

44:51

and enough Chamonix those that they played that well

44:53

in and I don't the A when he is

44:55

because they were last season but they got a

44:58

habit of winning and they keep winning and he

45:00

a when you got adding all on the confidence

45:02

in tigers go they nicely when you under that

45:04

pressure that such a great asset to have am.

45:07

But fast hands over at an accident at

45:09

one point seven the first half of said

45:11

the biggest either the conceded in a in

45:14

the first half of the game and yet.

45:16

Press. Would miss to. Say. Is

45:18

in the me a chance and close and

45:20

that he some. I hooked on the the

45:22

bar so they could easily. Lick.

45:25

Emily of a tree that game last season. that could.

45:27

he lost it. Yesterday and in the end

45:29

it the last twenty minutes and have been quite

45:31

for an easy to nail but. They

45:34

certainly weren't on top when they took the

45:36

lead and they certainly weren't on. someone is

45:38

for the second. What? What was your

45:40

am? you're feeling by the overall atmosphere of

45:43

the city. Graham of a the spinner revolution

45:45

is in the air now has a

45:47

they know that they're being am the game

45:49

has been rigged against them. This.

45:52

They've been answered the they know what's going

45:54

on you were there to to to hear

45:56

what the as far as far as had

45:58

same it's general atmosphere. The family. I

46:01

think it's pathetic. Yeah they they live

46:03

in additional and guess I can't defend

46:05

Se and accounts a chance to say

46:07

they're not there because a dark hole

46:09

and against them last week and but

46:12

yeah every decision. The first off I

46:14

went against them. He. Got live

46:16

and yep, emulate. Drop The

46:18

Sock Chance. Ah and

46:20

you something like and on Edit: know saying

46:22

that So that game last week. That.

46:25

Somehow to. Live.

46:28

In it and following that logic to

46:30

correctly the the pro late and conspiracy.

46:33

The. That has gripped the family which

46:35

you can see by have high late

46:37

now and the table in the way

46:39

the average is now gone that way

46:41

the season.inadvertently seven getting points despite the

46:43

primary been clipped against Everton Macys nonsense

46:45

you ask me to Kz make mistakes

46:47

that happens I need to the law.

46:49

think back to. It. As

46:51

a thief first Burnley game I mean if

46:53

she'd I remember that is not not much

46:55

smite of it that Burnley had a a

46:57

goal ruled out for suppose a humble by

46:59

Sunday burger. Where.

47:02

I. Reply makes him look like

47:04

it's is raped. nice, nice, and

47:06

it's certainly not. Obviously it's his

47:09

hand and. But. He obviously

47:11

in the great Conspiracy that's that's to gotten.

47:13

So I'd I find the whole thing though

47:15

a. Very. Tiresome Fanatical Edit:

47:17

Tottenham Is. The. Conspiracy talk

47:20

made it almost impossible to actually look

47:22

at referees and say, is this Referee

47:24

Any Gates. He. Will our best

47:26

referees which referee should be looking sir to

47:28

upgrade. That. That accommodations impossible

47:31

because of the the conspiracy lunacy.

47:33

Yeah, Lunacy tiresome. You can use it

47:35

you know? Condescension Deleted the anti and

47:37

I and on the Synagogue is on

47:39

them at their lowest weight. What do

47:41

you think I mean the to people

47:43

have said sherwood Forest am have a

47:45

problem with this with the corrupt authorities

47:47

and are not the only ones and

47:49

what's what do you it was you

47:51

feel about to censor to is. Why

47:54

have is even less time for the and

47:56

an awesome does on Isis? Is this conversation

47:58

going that. The my question can

48:01

we after the game is at what point

48:03

does the yeah the for a safe For

48:05

started consider the possibility that the the Chris

48:07

Woods has has had his head turned by

48:10

be Gluten Agassi who is all about a

48:12

big. Crucially I did the Beep Luton which

48:14

is out there clearly controlling all the things

48:16

and it was gay by some of his

48:19

missus that before you know apply the same

48:21

standards that we do like. Any refereeing mistake

48:23

is now sign of conspiracy Presumably the same

48:26

also goes for players and their act. Normally

48:28

I can only assume that. That

48:30

would has had his head turns he

48:33

he's been to Luton and them and

48:35

then. You. Know so that are

48:37

So and then I got him. Yet

48:39

big. On and we've lost. Word is gone.

48:42

And I've spent some time in Luton. I

48:44

can understand. like if you go there and

48:46

have a night out it's they. You never

48:49

quite the same afterwards and that's that disappears.

48:51

That happened to to to curse words on

48:53

the episode thirteen goals in thirty five matches

48:55

said the season. Five appearances and you know

48:57

composers. I love sitting in an accessory five

48:59

of us another player. We've been talking a

49:02

lot when I that the licensing seventy truck

49:04

with your your I Am far as and

49:06

space because there's a there's fantasy setting out

49:08

and thirty five games is exactly what I

49:10

would date. It was like a smokescreen. From

49:12

on the ferris acts pretty high seem to

49:14

be a marital status and I'm in a

49:17

sucker for sure. When I i the reactions

49:19

it's it's who are far as for doing

49:21

actually to be bus. I was

49:23

sort of. Ah, Amazon or

49:25

Force. it was good biting them. There was

49:27

quinlan sanctimony about the reaction to it. Because.

49:31

The forest just acting lame. Yeah, so. He.

49:34

Knows eyes on like some special

49:36

case. Oh they're like everybody like

49:38

looking at the Tottenham fans yes

49:40

name as. The. He saw Michael

49:42

over did add on us it's hard to

49:44

me it's it's. It's. Hard

49:46

to explain when you see what Mike well we're

49:48

dealing with the fourth bounty will eventually gave to

49:51

Tottenham Fourth credible how he pill I would say

49:53

decks and I said to be bad to boot

49:55

a guy to the ground he still lives at

49:57

away he was standing five years where he still.

50:00

The way percent space female the

50:02

same screaming this Is Corrupt. You.

50:04

Know to mean this is like the what

50:06

What I mean is that this is just

50:08

the way that football now is like an

50:11

in the in a time of var when

50:13

you've got like refereeing this bad people are

50:15

going to conclude that it must be corrupt

50:17

and forest we're just the expressing what literally

50:19

everybody now expresses all the time about all

50:21

refereeing decisions. I think december as the you

50:24

separate. And. Fury from

50:26

the stands from official club

50:28

communications right? Because. It

50:30

for as long as I've been going

50:32

to Up Against certainly. That.

50:34

You had partisan home crowds who accuse the

50:37

referee have been yeah been terrible and being

50:39

bent knobs or stuff as dust par for

50:41

the correlate. Used to kiss or a free

50:43

of have been blinds. It's heightened age of

50:46

social media when I was gonna wrap riley

50:48

each other up and in their marriage is

50:50

Echo Chambers and it's and reason that this

50:52

will increase in intensity. I think the club's

50:54

kind of stoking that fire to possibly to

50:57

draw attention away from how badly they have

50:59

been playing. A mean that that that feels

51:01

like a different level and I guess the

51:03

reason I sort of. A.

51:05

React very strongly to. it is because

51:08

it feels like something that is creeping

51:10

in. Add. To to

51:12

this league in this football culture in a

51:14

way that we haven't had of here before

51:16

and it reminds me more what we see

51:19

in other countries as the country's i'm It's

51:21

to even look at Turkey where we had

51:23

a referee get punched, ended and and we'd

51:25

had like really she's wizard sister it It's

51:28

become completely ludicrous and can see the sort

51:30

of is sustained campaign against referees that Real

51:32

Madrid Tv has been conducting business. Yes, this

51:34

sort of nonsense. we haven't had that much

51:37

of us and England England has been a

51:39

place where there's been less the last. And

51:41

and I think the league and the

51:43

football culture there has been all the

51:46

better forests and I worry that it's

51:48

now creeping in a little. Best and

51:50

and this is I I honestly think

51:52

and didn't I'm really clumsy get together

51:54

and decide that from next season on

51:56

the very very strong penalties soon be

51:58

his left arm. To

52:01

the point I'd like to be up for

52:03

points deductions honestly for clubs who use their

52:05

official communication channels to, you know,

52:07

sold out of a referee's, not competency

52:10

level because you're allowed to, you can

52:12

say he's had a bad game but

52:14

this sort of dark muttering of conspiracy

52:16

that forests have engaged in. If

52:19

it was up to me that would be a

52:21

point deduction because you just need to nip that

52:24

in the bud because it just, at the end

52:26

of the day, if you want better refereeing decisions

52:28

you need to create a climate and make the

52:30

job easier for referees. This does the absolute opposite.

52:32

And also in terms of the product, the one

52:34

thing that will kill sport as a product is

52:37

doubt about its integrity. So you

52:39

saw what happened with athletics. Once everybody

52:41

realised in the 80s that a huge

52:44

number of athletes were

52:46

taking drugs, interest in athletics wanes

52:48

desperately. I remember

52:50

being in Romania, I don't know, 15 years

52:53

ago and I was

52:55

watching a, I was

52:57

watching results and I wasn't even watching the game

52:59

on a Saturday afternoon and I

53:01

think Fulham scored twice in the last five minutes

53:03

to beat Chelsea. They've been 2-1 down and they came back to

53:05

win 3-2. And that's not

53:07

exactly what happened. It's something like that. Every

53:10

other person in the room, because they're conditioned to

53:12

the corruption of remaining football at the time, sort

53:14

of, ah, it's been bought. And

53:17

the beauty of sport is that teams

53:19

can score twice in the last five minutes to turn the

53:21

game around. The smaller team can beat the bigger team. And

53:24

once you lose that, you lose what

53:26

makes sports special. Once you can't believe

53:29

in the unlikely, in the miraculous, and

53:31

so anything that creates

53:34

a belief in conspiracy. If you

53:36

have evidence, that's different. But

53:39

there is no evidence, is it? It's just

53:41

a club moaning because they, I mean, apparently they

53:43

want to send that message at half time after,

53:45

you know, more than even the

53:47

penalty that should have been a penalty, after

53:49

two half-shopes for penalties. It

53:53

will erode the whole game. Well,

53:55

speaking of these changing cultures, you were writing

53:57

about a sort of interesting

54:00

debate that's happening in football over

54:02

the weekend. Jonathan, well the debate's

54:04

happening not just over the weekend you were writing over

54:06

the weekend. It seems

54:08

that clubs are

54:10

being swamped with foreign fans

54:12

which the elites of these clubs are pandering

54:15

to overlooking the traditional

54:17

fans. You were talking

54:19

about it in terms of

54:21

Anj Pustukhogli's recent comments about

54:23

what he kind

54:27

of described as plastics or you know

54:29

I'm a bit plastic myself he

54:31

said. Essentially people who aren't from the place being

54:34

interested in the club, you know going to

54:36

the games, buying tickets, taking up seats, pushing

54:39

out the real fans. This

54:44

seems to be becoming a bigger

54:46

and bigger issue in the Premier

54:48

League over the last few years.

54:51

Yeah I think it's one of those very

54:53

difficult situations where both

54:56

sides are right. I know I've

54:58

found this has been

55:00

really challenging for

55:03

me because I'm

55:06

a Sondland fan. I see Sondland as being sort

55:08

of an integral part of my identity. I still

55:10

sort of feel an ownership of that club even

55:12

though I did own

55:14

shares at one point until they were

55:17

forcibly purchased. And

55:21

Sondland because they're mid-table

55:23

championship club with a 48,000 stadium, it still

55:26

feels like it's the fans club. I

55:29

sort of have a sense that clubs should be about

55:31

the immediate fan, they should be about the community. Sondland

55:34

should be about the city of Sondland. Tottenham should be about Harringay,

55:38

the N17 postcode, that immediate

55:40

area. Liverpool

55:43

should be about Liverpool. And

55:46

yet that puts me on the

55:48

opposite side of the divide where

55:50

I would normally be politically, where

55:52

I'm all for open borders. Why

55:59

shouldn't somebody? from Ireland,

56:01

America, Australia, India, Nigeria, wherever, support

56:04

whatever club they want. I

56:06

think that's particularly true when the Premier League A,

56:10

aggressively markets itself in

56:12

overseas markets, B, the majority

56:15

of the players are foreign, the majority of

56:17

the managers are foreign, the majority of the owners are

56:19

foreign. Why shouldn't the majority of the fans be foreign?

56:22

But it does create attention because you

56:24

have stadiums of obviously finite size and

56:27

who do you want in those

56:30

stadiums? Should those tickets

56:32

still be going to the local community or should they

56:34

be going to the – and I

56:36

realise the word has a pejorative sense I don't

56:38

really mean – to the tourists. And

56:41

I think the instinct

56:44

previously, say maybe a

56:46

decade ago and before, was always you privileged

56:48

to see the girls, you privileged the people

56:50

who went every week. And

56:52

now there seems to be a change to well

56:54

actually the fans who come once a season or

56:57

once a lifetime, they

56:59

spend more money so they're more

57:01

valuable, they're spreading the brand. They

57:03

turn up, they don't mind. If

57:05

you've come from Tokyo for the game,

57:07

if you spend all that

57:12

money coming, you don't care if the ticket costs 80 quid or

57:15

200 quid, you're going to pay it because

57:17

you've already made that journey. And then you're going to go

57:19

to the club shop and you're probably going to buy a

57:22

beer and a pizza or whatever the grounded

57:24

inflated prices because you're making a day of

57:26

it. So I

57:28

think that tension has

57:31

reached a new level of acuteness.

57:35

More than half of the Premier League clubs have active

57:37

protests going on against ticket price rises

57:39

and there's obviously these new fans

57:42

who are creating an inflationary spiral. But

57:45

there's also, I mean it's just a problem of

57:47

popularity. So yesterday I was

57:50

in Nottingham before the game,

57:53

I had lunch with an old friend, he's a Newcastle fan, he

57:55

used to be in Newcastle Seasonal League of Hilda but he lives

57:58

in Nottingham now. And he based He

58:00

can never go and watch Newcastle because he

58:02

doesn't have a season to go anymore He is a member which I

58:04

think you have to pay ten or twenty quid

58:06

a year for which puts you in a ballot But the same people

58:08

in the ballot he's never come out of the ballot So

58:11

he can go to one of these sites and pay, you

58:13

know a couple of grand for a ticket But that's not

58:15

the sort of money has so it's

58:17

all become this this sort of Newcastle's become a

58:19

sort of closed shop or people

58:22

with lots of cash and it

58:24

just seems that the traditional idea of what

58:26

a club is is being eroded and You

58:29

know as I say, I don't think the right side of

58:32

the argument the wrong side of an argument There's just a

58:34

tension there and I don't know how you

58:36

reconcile it Lars. You are

58:38

from Norway Mm-hmm Arguably

58:41

that puts you on you know The

58:44

plastic side of this in the sense that Norway

58:46

a bit like Ireland I think Is

58:49

a country that's always heard to you

58:51

know been being interested in English football How

58:54

is this sort of debate looking I mean I know that

58:56

the nor is a kind of a special case given that

58:58

the Premier League At the moment is basically Norwegian Norwegian-led

59:03

with the two top teams

59:05

having Norwegians as Key

59:08

players so there's there's obviously an element of

59:10

extra interest there at the moment But like obviously

59:13

this this interest in the Premier League has always

59:15

been there in Norway What's

59:17

the situation there the moment in terms

59:19

of is this becoming increasingly unfashionable are

59:21

these people? and Some

59:24

you know is there is there a big

59:26

growing on this is what are you doing?

59:28

You should be following your local club No,

59:32

I'm definitely a plastic

59:34

fan and former tourists in this regard. I

59:36

grew up in Norway But

59:43

we also had you know season tickets to our

59:45

local club in Norway and A

59:48

family we'd go to London occasionally, and that was

59:51

you know something we look forward to and In

59:55

Norway having that kind of dual footballing

59:57

fandom identity has always been very very

59:59

common We've had live

1:00:02

broadcasts of English football since actually

1:00:04

the first one was in 1969, I

1:00:07

believe actually. So in the sense of before, the

1:00:10

top flight was regularly televised in

1:00:12

the UK. We had weekly games

1:00:15

from England on the

1:00:17

one TV station that existed. So anyone

1:00:19

who watched TV in Norway on Saturday afternoon

1:00:22

in the 70s and 80s will have had

1:00:24

to watch English football. So

1:00:26

obviously it's a huge part of our

1:00:28

culture in that regard. But I read Jonathan's

1:00:30

piece and the thing I thought was a lot of

1:00:33

interesting things in it, but that experience that he said

1:00:35

a Swedish person had had, was it? Yeah,

1:00:37

it's a notion thing, yeah. Yeah,

1:00:40

notion thing. I believe it

1:00:42

was in my late teens, but I once went to

1:00:44

Spurs game when I was still just like not working

1:00:46

in the industry or anything. It was just a fan

1:00:49

and had that exact experience. You know, I went to

1:00:51

London to go to a Spurs game and ended up

1:00:54

on a row full of Scandinavians and had that sort

1:00:56

of, well, maybe I am part of the problem. So

1:00:58

sort of a good thought. I

1:01:01

don't have like a genius. There's

1:01:03

no, I think it's a good piece by Jonathan.

1:01:05

The good point is that there's just, there is

1:01:07

a friction that exists there and I don't, I

1:01:09

spent some time in the US recently and

1:01:12

met quite a lot of football fans over

1:01:14

there who are massively into English

1:01:16

clubs and get up at ungodly hours to

1:01:18

watch them and are more current on like,

1:01:20

and because of the internet, they're so completely

1:01:22

clued up with like the banter culture and

1:01:25

all the references and everything is that it

1:01:27

felt completely indistinguishable really from

1:01:29

spending time with fans in London,

1:01:31

except for the geographical side of

1:01:34

it. And I'm not going to tell any

1:01:36

of those that they're not proper fans because they were born on the

1:01:38

other side of the world because that would be absurd. But

1:01:41

how, where that leaves the clubs as social

1:01:44

institutions and local cultural

1:01:46

institutions, which is what they should be, I think is

1:01:48

a strange, it's

1:01:50

an interesting question. But I felt for some

1:01:52

time now that in terms of

1:01:54

what a club should be in terms of

1:01:56

representing its local community, I'm not sure the

1:01:58

bigger Premier League club. have been that for

1:02:01

a while, but maybe even more

1:02:03

so in London, but across the board. You

1:02:06

do feel like you're part of a big

1:02:08

entertainment industrial complex when

1:02:10

you go to these games. I had a

1:02:13

very pronounced sort of – I

1:02:15

went back to Norway last year because I was working

1:02:17

on the Alli Holland book, and going to my local

1:02:19

team, which is in the second tier of the Norwegian

1:02:21

league, feels completely different because you

1:02:23

feel like it matters that you turn up.

1:02:25

Like there's few enough people there that your

1:02:28

ticket money makes a difference and the people

1:02:30

see in your face and you can chat

1:02:32

to the players probably if you want to. I

1:02:34

did in some cases. You feel like

1:02:37

you're part of it in a way that you never

1:02:39

can at a Premier League club ever, I don't think,

1:02:41

just because it's such a big – yeah, it's an

1:02:43

entertainment industry

1:02:46

more than anything. Well, one fan base – yeah,

1:02:48

sorry. It's a sad development, but I don't know

1:02:50

how you counteract this. Yeah, I'm thinking of Liverpool

1:02:52

as a fan base and as a club that

1:02:55

would like to maybe think that they still have

1:02:57

that kind of connection and represent their

1:02:59

community in that way. Jürgen Klopp

1:03:02

has helped. He's obviously tapped into that right the way

1:03:04

along, but has lost his joie de vivre I think

1:03:06

at this stage, Jonathan. What did you make of the

1:03:08

little spot with Mo Salah? What does that tell us

1:03:10

about where things are going in

1:03:12

the end days of Klopp's reign? Yeah,

1:03:16

I thought that was really interesting. I mean, I don't

1:03:18

think it was actually well on Salah because

1:03:20

we don't know what Klopp said to

1:03:22

him and I guess we shouldn't really

1:03:25

judge it until we know that. But

1:03:28

if Salah's argument is he should be playing, he should have

1:03:31

been brought on earlier, he should have started the game, his

1:03:33

form since he came back from a hamstring injury got the

1:03:35

combinations has been terrible. Yeah, he had a really good start

1:03:37

the season, but he hasn't

1:03:39

justified his place since

1:03:42

then. I think it's entirely reasonable for him to be

1:03:44

left out. So if

1:03:46

it was just about that, it looks pretty

1:03:48

bad for Salah. It doesn't reflect well on

1:03:50

him. I think it's

1:03:52

more generally just reflective of

1:03:55

that thing that we're very familiar with, that

1:03:58

when a manager says he's going. Inevitably

1:04:00

authority wanes. I think

1:04:03

you've seen it Classically without focusing

1:04:05

in 2001. I think you've seen it with Emma

1:04:07

Hayes with Chelsea's women's team this season Probably

1:04:11

with with two colon buying as well. I love

1:04:13

championship. They are able to pick it up again

1:04:17

It's we're aware of the pattern Liverpool's and

1:04:19

maybe slightly different in that they They

1:04:22

had their initial boost that initial. Oh, yeah We've got

1:04:24

to make it a great end for Jurgen and that

1:04:26

brought Malik up and there was a you know They're

1:04:28

sort of but there's a manic energy

1:04:30

about them at that time That

1:04:33

it reminded me a bit actually of Arsenal last season

1:04:35

when they had the Villa game the Bournemouth game where

1:04:37

they won late on Mmm, and and it's

1:04:40

sort of like well. Yeah, this is all very exciting. It's all very

1:04:42

good But this is not sustainable and

1:04:45

and actually this emotional intensity is just as tiring

1:04:47

as having to play two games a week for

1:04:50

the six months and I

1:04:53

Actually think I'm not saying I was

1:04:55

saying it at the time but in retrospect you can you

1:04:57

can see that even

1:05:01

Before the United games the

1:05:03

chef United game the Brighton game Those

1:05:06

were not wins as comfortable as they should have been You

1:05:09

know that chef and I had that great chance the first

1:05:11

minute they got back into it at one one It needed

1:05:13

that brilliant girl from Alexis McAllister The

1:05:16

Brighton game they went behind they had to come back

1:05:19

and so what's happened the last two or three weeks.

1:05:21

I Think you can see it

1:05:23

as being quite a deep rooted You

1:05:25

know it's been there for a couple of months,

1:05:27

and I think it's partly physical fatigue I think

1:05:29

it's partly caused by the injuries. I think it's

1:05:31

partly emotional fatigue And I think it's partly the

1:05:34

the loss of authority and as so often With

1:05:37

big clubs when it goes it really goes and

1:05:39

it's very hard to pick it back up this

1:05:41

season I think

1:05:43

you can see the pressing is not quite as sharp there, and

1:05:46

you have Salas behavior on the pitch Never

1:05:48

mind on such signs on the pitch on Fat

1:05:51

day was appalling wasn't making

1:05:53

runs. He was shrugging. He looked disinterested

1:05:56

I mean, I don't think clops are picking for rest of

1:05:58

the season now. I think it was I think

1:06:00

I was so disgraceful actually what Salah did. Wow.

1:06:03

Unless Klopp said something terrible to

1:06:05

him that maybe Klopp meant as a joke

1:06:07

and was taken the wrong way,

1:06:10

in which case you sit him down and you

1:06:12

talk to him. We've seen those types of things

1:06:14

before. Jordan Henderson, your

1:06:16

favourite player, had a similar episode

1:06:18

with Klopp. Pep Guardiola and Brian

1:06:20

Equatoris. We had Sadio Mane before

1:06:23

refusing to shake his hand when

1:06:25

he was pissed off. Why

1:06:28

do you think it? I mean that would be, to me

1:06:30

what you just said sounds absolutely crazy. I mean he's

1:06:33

got like three games left as manager. This

1:06:36

guy Salah has been the outstanding player,

1:06:39

let's be fair. I mean he's,

1:06:41

himself, Virgil van Dijk have been

1:06:43

the pillars of that team. Yeah,

1:06:45

there's no justification to pick him

1:06:47

on form and there's no justification

1:06:49

to pick him on attitude. With

1:06:52

other players there's been a, well actually

1:06:55

we need Sadio Mane to be

1:06:57

on side. You don't need Salah on side at the minute because he's

1:06:59

not good enough at the minute. I

1:07:01

don't know, I think he's not

1:07:03

up against that tough competition either

1:07:05

to be in that front line.

1:07:07

What do you recognise? Well I

1:07:10

just think one thing I throw in, you

1:07:12

mentioned it's Jürgen Klopp's last couple of games

1:07:14

in charge of Liverpool. It could very easily

1:07:16

be Marmos Salah as a Liverpool player because

1:07:18

he's 31, his contract expires

1:07:21

next summer so they have three options here. They

1:07:23

could sell them or they could extend

1:07:26

him on a huge, huge deal into

1:07:28

his mid-30s or they could let him

1:07:30

leave for free. I think I know which one

1:07:32

of those three Michael Edwards prefers. This is not

1:07:34

very complicated. So I think if

1:07:36

there's any sort of bids from Saudi this summer

1:07:38

I think he'll be off. And

1:07:42

yeah, benching him for the last couple of

1:07:44

games in Liverpool. Very extreme. That would be

1:07:46

pretty extraordinary. So I do completely share

1:07:50

Wilson's concerns and I actually think his

1:07:52

drop-off in form is

1:07:54

one of the reasons we've spent so much time

1:07:56

talking about Darwin Nernis because it Has

1:07:58

been having this manic. Then a forward who

1:08:00

runs around and offers so much like good stuff

1:08:03

off the bone is pressing in his work. Retinol

1:08:05

is that mrs a lot of chances If you

1:08:07

have a wide player like solid we score more

1:08:09

goals than most forwards. you get away with that

1:08:12

like it becomes less of a problem that the

1:08:14

fact that Solace goes have drawn out and a

1:08:16

dried up and just in the run an ad

1:08:18

that that puts more attention on the on the

1:08:21

newness problems and he does manic energy have been

1:08:23

about this lox and run out of interesting things

1:08:25

to say about Litter Box of Healing. All these

1:08:27

games where they drop points is the same pattern.

1:08:30

Which is that they concede some chances create

1:08:32

more chance on it, but which is what

1:08:34

is going on all season. Like them, they've

1:08:36

been very sloppy defensively. Oh yes but they

1:08:39

have earlier in the season they were producing

1:08:41

so much going forward than it was Fine

1:08:43

now suddenly last couple of weeks and it

1:08:45

hasn't been fine to the been missing chances

1:08:48

and I find when were explaining why it

1:08:50

he misses chances. We sort of variances at

1:08:52

an amateur psychology and mysticism but I think

1:08:54

that the mood the manage energy Wilson refer

1:08:57

to I think that that is maybe not

1:08:59

been helpful. In be said a moment that

1:09:01

they made bad decisions in the box we

1:09:03

saw quite a bit of that this weekend

1:09:05

and that they scoff finishes. And when the

1:09:07

guy who usually bail them out, the guy

1:09:10

who is the guy who fixes things for

1:09:12

them when he also supper suffers a drop

1:09:14

in farm than that said, that's how you

1:09:16

derail a title challenger. Yes, yeah, Jones says

1:09:18

we don't have a chance. So too bad

1:09:20

since these was confirmed, both serve with the

1:09:22

Onslaught is going to be the. Next.

1:09:25

The repo man identified some fully confirms answer. but

1:09:27

but it seems it seems very much so that

1:09:29

that's how. Going.

1:09:32

To haven't. Had. A rate disguise

1:09:34

chances of. Success.

1:09:36

Mean it's just in terms of what

1:09:39

we what we've been talking about today.

1:09:41

You know that he he did the

1:09:43

whole issue of tourists, fans and club

1:09:46

i don't seats on. I think I

1:09:48

saw recently Liverpool of the smallest percentage

1:09:50

of season tickets. As. sir in

1:09:52

terms of their stating about the and

1:09:55

the largest percentage of tickets which are

1:09:57

sort of designed for kind of hospitality

1:09:59

or funds, you know, of any club

1:10:01

in the league, which is interesting given that they make

1:10:03

such a play of their kind. One of its referring

1:10:05

her your own. Yeah. The identity.

1:10:07

I think they've only got 27,000 season tickets, which is, under

1:10:10

stadium capacities now, what, 61,000 or something like

1:10:13

that. So I think

1:10:16

this is going to be a really tough

1:10:18

period for them actually. We cop leaving who,

1:10:20

like when you look at what Liverpool are,

1:10:22

you know, they're a hedge fund controlled entity,

1:10:25

which is targeted at the international market. Right.

1:10:30

You know, and, you know, with a

1:10:32

sort of a numbers led philosophy

1:10:35

and this Michael Edwards is kind

1:10:37

of analytics guy running

1:10:39

the show and cop. One of the great things

1:10:41

that he did was to was to provide a

1:10:44

kind of a hero, like put a human face

1:10:46

on all this stuff. And he

1:10:48

was kind of the figure that everyone was sort of, oh,

1:10:50

this is it. This is who the club is about without

1:10:52

him. You've got a lot of

1:10:54

a lot of problems. When a thought

1:10:56

walks into this, he's like, I'm just the first team coach,

1:10:58

but like a guy in his position, actually there's more

1:11:00

responsibility on him than just training

1:11:03

and coaching the team. Right.

1:11:06

Yeah. I mean, on

1:11:08

the season ticket points, I actually am not sure that

1:11:10

a low percentage of season tickets or compartive low percentage

1:11:12

of season tickets is necessarily bad

1:11:14

for the local community because what that means

1:11:16

here, what should mean, and it depends how

1:11:18

well police is that more

1:11:21

tickets are available for people who maybe can't afford a season ticket,

1:11:24

but would like to go to half dozen games a year. So

1:11:26

I think you've got to be, I

1:11:29

don't think we should necessarily read too much of

1:11:31

that season ticket percentage that Liverpool are out to

1:11:33

get these once a year fans. I think, I

1:11:36

presume the reason that is as low as it is, I

1:11:38

presume they have a long waiting list is

1:11:41

that they want tickets to be accessible to

1:11:43

people who can't make that kind

1:11:45

of financial commitment. And that clearly is a good thing.

1:11:47

And the example of my mate who can't get to

1:11:49

Newcastle, it shows

1:11:52

you the reverse side of that. But

1:11:54

in terms of slot, I

1:11:56

Think the problem anybody coming in would have

1:11:58

is... That they're not

1:12:00

having on. So and yeah, we want

1:12:03

to see such a perfect fit for

1:12:05

that job that almost anybody else feels

1:12:07

anticlimactic, innocent really honestly fault I think

1:12:09

what he says find that be pretty

1:12:11

impressive, but. I'd. Have

1:12:14

said what I can out the likes

1:12:16

of pretty impressive. the dust sleeve doesn't

1:12:18

necessarily mirror said to that emulates a.

1:12:21

the a meaty and be credibility as use another

1:12:23

be to have anybody having to be honest

1:12:25

what everly he come from admit it but i

1:12:27

me that his is so far ahead in terms

1:12:29

of sudden he was also dancer the you have

1:12:32

been achievement. That. The credibility

1:12:34

question so the editor supplements don't

1:12:36

go well. You're going to push

1:12:38

Esi away. I think. What

1:12:41

I've seen it him in terms of

1:12:43

up the public face talk about in

1:12:45

terms of media appearances. he's pretty eloquent.

1:12:48

He's pretty fluent. He's also they Dutch

1:12:50

which I think will lead to problems

1:12:52

and because he will say very direct

1:12:55

things that that maybe in Dutch would

1:12:57

just be. But why does people talk

1:12:59

But and as enough for his contacts

1:13:02

might sound quite fences I'm here is

1:13:04

already had his big spotless just ammonia

1:13:06

am. So I think there will

1:13:08

be there will be spots because of that

1:13:10

which can go either way. I'm i think

1:13:12

the football he plays is sort of them

1:13:14

to right so football for liverpool but i

1:13:16

think little a club or inquired. The.

1:13:19

Are all positions a minute that the. The.

1:13:22

Transition from clubs last Light side.

1:13:25

Has begun. and I think you look at

1:13:27

people like self assign Mcallister and he said

1:13:29

yeah that they're fine. they can be Little

1:13:31

Via said I could yet. Five years, Ten

1:13:33

years. whatever. I think united

1:13:35

like on about a spirit. Of

1:13:38

the. Bust somebody else can come in at right

1:13:40

back if i kind of adults doesn't suddenly contract

1:13:42

of hates us move and midfield. That

1:13:45

have a positive thing. Sabbath salaries initiate.

1:13:47

I think that that's the they the

1:13:50

changes that makes a forward line. I.

1:13:53

Don't sit. I've known yes, clearly

1:13:55

hasn't hasn't proved himself. Yes, Ah,

1:13:57

lose the as I think it's

1:13:59

funny. The new issue Questionable. Garage.

1:14:02

Or his inability to save face. It is

1:14:04

a problem I think They alone I know

1:14:06

some perfectly well they they need another holding

1:14:09

midfielder. I. Think they need some it's

1:14:11

common alongside been die because cannot I can't

1:14:13

say say it a massive can't say said

1:14:15

I probably pretty soon he looking at thinking

1:14:17

well fund like can on a bit until

1:14:19

options going on a bit we need we

1:14:22

need to play censor so the transitions be

1:14:24

gone by. it's by no means finished. Son

1:14:26

of a good young players that we saw

1:14:28

that he has been doing that spell of

1:14:30

Mackenzie that the Law five or six really

1:14:32

promising kids coming say So that's a good

1:14:34

thing but they they still need new signings.

1:14:37

a new manager com again with a new

1:14:39

whatever Michael lead. With his actual title is.

1:14:42

There's a lot a chainsaw, so I think it can be

1:14:44

difficult for. The sloppily would be like that

1:14:46

with able to contain Mossad I may mapping I'm

1:14:48

like banks for the rest in a season having

1:14:50

any wage and of points deductions for party george

1:14:52

club stay process as is and I'm hanging just

1:14:55

a lot of your phone and punishments and being

1:14:57

suggested that I slap on the great some flour

1:14:59

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miraculous new head of hair would likely be spared

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from open humiliations. We just snigger at him behind

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his back and sure and exclaimed Kilian Murphy style,

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i know you're a baldy when he's just out

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of earshot to the Murphy saw. The.

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Netherlands, they're much more. don't. Care

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much more likely take holy point out

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any attempts to pervert notice. Course asserting

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yourself a seem to be bold than

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to be formally balls and ever have

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every Tom, Dick and Harry constantly point

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out that you either were bald or

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are stay above in their opinion. Gotta

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love our email. There's a conviction that

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people as Ireland were just snigger behind

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their back at someone with a recent

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don't have those dots and formerly bulls

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of a friend of ours on said read

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reserve just chortling at the idea that this

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guy would be that you know I just

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our league and our game. On

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any such coaches who have. Won.

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The Premier League other and I'm

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last English majors when it for

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either is an Brendan Rodgers is

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a British manager and when the

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when the if I up there

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and that is how wise Roth's and his

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winning trophies and said he's the last English

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manager to win a major English I asked

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monitor sadly I mean a Dutch one one

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one more more recently than that. I

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