In this episode Phil is joined by Jamie Beck Alexander, Director of Drawdown Labs. We also hear from Ben Franta, a physicist and historian at Stanford, who helps us understand the concept of predatory delay. Follow Jamie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jabeckx and learn more about Drawdown Labs here: https://drawdown.org/programs/drawdown-labs

Thanks also to ClimatePod and Ben Franta for letting me use the excerpt from their conversation. Follow them both on: Twitter https://twitter.com/BenFranta and https://twitter.com/ClimatePod