In this episode, Chris and Mark recount the formation of over,under, the quest for civic work, developing exhibitions, the salty politics of Boston in the 1960s, and of course, spirit animals. A fascinating conversation with a truly innovative and expanded architectural / design practice!

over,under is a Boston-based interdisciplinary practice with expertise in architecture, urban design, graphic identity, and publications. Our approach is structured around six working points that we implement in all projects, which range in scale from books to cities. Every project benefits from the varied professional experiences of the principals and their collaborators, resulting in designs that are intelligently shaped by a co-dependence of process and product. The firm's designs, research, and the exhibits of its pinkcomma gallery have been widely published.