It's the first episode of 2024. We've been at these podcasts on and off for 6 years, so to be honest, we decided to 'coast it'. 

But it turned out to not be a badd'en.... 

With all the chaos in the world, we couldn't think of anything worse than being a 'world leader' and yet - we found ourselves concluding that actualy being a leader in a business could be the sanctuary you and our direct reports could really value. 

it's full of swears today (unusually Ant was ahead of JB for a change), so marked explicit for your auditary guidance. 

That and your listener questions. Keep 'em coming! [email protected]