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On Vision Australia Radio. You're

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listening to the Singing Auto show with

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me, your host, Harriet Moffatt. On

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this show, we have three segments for

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you. First, I'll be joined

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by youth program participant,

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a graduate from 2022,

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Jasmine Devlin, who is going to be talking

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to us about her experience in

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the program and the next steps as

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she works towards getting her own seeing

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eye dog and her involvement

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supporting the International Guide Dog

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Day Giving Day on April

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24th. Then Doctor

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Ashman from Seeing Our Dogs vet team

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joins us talking about kennel

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cough. To finish off,

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we have some recall training tips

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with puppy development trainer Steph

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Shaw from the archives. Now

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onto our first segment talking

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with seeing our Dogs client, Jasmine.

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So have you had low

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vision or been legally

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blind since you were five?

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Uh, I yes, I

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always had, um, like, bad vision.

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Um, but I

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actually went legally blind.

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Um, I was but year five.

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When I completely went Legally

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Blonde. So, yeah.

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So you took part last year in

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the Seeing Idols um, youth program.

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Could you please tell us a little bit about that?

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And what made you decide to take part?

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Yeah. Um, I actually took

2:13

part in. It was two years ago now.

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Not last year. Yeah. I

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have always been, like, a

2:20

counselor. Um,

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I started my came on when

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I was five, when I got diagnosed.

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Um, and my

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mom, she had a guide

2:32

dog for her at Guide Dogs

2:34

Australia. Um, and

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it was. Um,

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we heard that Australia does say

2:41

dogs. So we're like, okay,

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I'm gonna give this a crack. I'm like,

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it's going to help me be

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way more independent, not be,

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um, reliant on other people.

2:53

Um, I like to explain it like

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a cane is an object finder

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and a dog is an object avoider,

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which is two different,

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very different things, which is very helpful.

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And I guess having grown up with your

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mum with a dog guide, that

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kind of would be part of that inspiration

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and made you think maybe that would be something that you

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could, um, find out about for you?

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Yeah. I'm actually, um,

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I'm actually getting my dog at

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the end of this month, actually.

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Oh, that's so exciting. Congratulations.

3:28

Thank you. Um, so, yeah,

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I get to go down and get

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my own dog, so that's

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exciting. And at the end of the

3:37

programme, I definitely

3:39

knew that I wanted to do so

3:42

called mobility for my preferred

3:44

mobility aid. Yeah.

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And so basically, I suppose that was

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just really the kind of starting that part

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of the stepping stone and setting you up. And now

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it's about to kind of happen. How exciting.

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Yeah. Yeah. It. It.

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It definitely like

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it told you and showed you

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what it would be like to

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be working with a dog, looking after

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it. Um, like totally

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doing it. Um, because it's

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not just you can't just fold

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up your dog like you can,

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um, like, so it's an actual human

4:20

living thing. Um, that you

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can take care of. And it really showed that,

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um, how to do that. And if

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you wanted to continue that process

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after that, um,

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the camps and the program,

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um, it showed you

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really got to realize, okay, I really

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want to do this or like, someone I know,

4:42

someone that I was with decided God

4:46

isn't for me, and that's fine. It's

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it's such an individual thing.

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From what I heard about the youth program, I thought it

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was kind of quite cool that it gave people, I guess,

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the opportunity to decide whether I

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suppose, that amount of kind of work, I guess, in

4:59

terms of looking after the dog, because it's not. Yeah, like

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like you said, you can't just fold them up. There's a bit of

5:04

a lifestyle factor and that isn't there.

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Yeah. Um, a lot

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of younger with

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younger participants.

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There isn't that many because like

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the school, which

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people don't think that that's a big enough

5:20

thing, but it's pretty much like work.

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You go there throughout the week and

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like a dog is, can

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be managed in a school like it can

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be work and managed in a work environment.

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I guess to some degree probably depends on the

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school environment and how you get

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to school, whether that's something that you really want

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to go down.

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Yeah. Because not yeah,

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um, not a lot of people want to take

5:46

the dog with them to school,

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and that's fine. But, um,

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it's you really got to think of what

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you are actually doing as well. Like, is there

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going to be enough workload for the dog?

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Um, then early, like if

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you're only going to use it like once a week, it's not going

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to be the right they've already made

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for you, you know.

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Coming and doing turf and stuff. That would

6:08

be a pretty good workload. And is

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that the thing that you're probably most excited

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about taking your dog and doing?

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Yeah, that and like I

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go to Melbourne for appointments all the

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time. So I um,

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that's going to be way easier for me.

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Yeah. Like I do dance classes in

6:26

that. And then I help out with my church

6:29

all the time. And so that,

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um, is going to be

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so much more better for me.

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Um, considering like, oh, most

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of the time it's not. And I'm completely

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like, not fine. So it's just like,

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I can't say I'm going.

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Yeah, well, I'm very excited

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for you to, um, to start that class

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journey and kind of get to know, um,

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your dog. One of the reasons

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that we kind of, um, I guess,

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are talking is that you're going to be, um,

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supporting the Seeing Dogs

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giving day. So, um, I guess

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I just wanted to ask to finish off, you know, do you have anything

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that you would like to say to anyone considering

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other kind of like supporting seeing dogs or

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getting involved with or that's kind of like volunteering

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or donating.

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If you can. I definitely

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consider donating because it

7:20

it takes a lot of work to train amazing

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dogs. And, you know, as

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people know, money just doesn't appear

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out of thin air, which would be really cool if

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I did live in Australia with

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their dogs. Um,

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like everyone support if they

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can because it is such a

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good program. Um, and

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it's such a beautiful place to go to

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and the dogs are amazing

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and they really do help people's lives

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with all this stuff. So

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if you can, um, please

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think about donating or like

7:53

fundraising or anything, like anything

7:55

you can do, even if it's like $2

7:57

or something, it doesn't matter how every

8:00

every bit counts.

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Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

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And best of luck, um, for meeting

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your new senior dog soon.

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Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you for

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having me.

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You've been listening to the Seeing Auto Show.

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That was my interview with Jasmine Devlin,

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graduate from our youth program in 2022

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and soon to be seeing eye dog handler.

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How very exciting for her. We wish her

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all the best. If you'd like to

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support seeing eye dogs on the International

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Guide Dog Day Giving Day on April

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24th. Donations can be made

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online at Seeing Eye Dogs

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walkthrough forward slash

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giving day that is again Seeing

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Eye Dog Saugus

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forward slash giving day. Now

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here's seeing eye dogs vet doctor Ashman

8:54

talking about kennel cough. Can

8:56

dogs get a cold.

8:57

So dogs can often get something

8:59

called kennel cough, which is a disease

9:01

complex. That's most often when you hear a dog

9:04

coughing or sneezing, it's typically kennel cough,

9:06

at least in Australia, um,

9:08

and the signs often present

9:10

as a little bit of what we call a goose

9:12

honk cough. So a really kind of hacking,

9:15

almost like a goose, um, making their,

9:17

their honk, um, sound, um,

9:19

coming from the dog. Sometimes they'll have

9:21

sneezing, sometimes not. They may or

9:23

may not have discharge from their nose,

9:25

just like a human when they get a cold.

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Um, or they could sound audibly congested, just

9:30

like a human would sound.

9:32

So why should owners ensure that

9:34

their dogs have up to date vaccinations

9:36

for things like kennel cough?

9:38

Um, so kennel cough is often spread,

9:40

um, one in a kennel environment, as

9:43

the name states, or a lot of the time

9:45

in dog parks and things like that.

9:47

But the virus can actually live on surfaces.

9:49

And you can your dog can get it from just

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walking past another dog at a cafe

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who might have it. Um, and

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it's really important to vaccinate them, because then

9:58

you're ensuring that your dog will have

10:00

a much lower chance of

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getting kennel cough if they are exposed

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to another dog that might have it. And sometimes

10:07

the other dog that has it isn't even showing

10:09

symptoms of it. Kind of like when Covid

10:11

was a big deal. You could have people spreading Covid

10:14

who weren't sick. Um, and also

10:16

similar to Covid, the vaccine doesn't always

10:18

100% prevent the dog from

10:20

getting the disease, but it

10:22

significantly lowers their risk. That

10:24

being said, if a heavily infected dog

10:27

is coughing and sneezing right in your dog's face,

10:29

it might still get the disease. Just because

10:31

the load of the virus

10:34

is so high that it surpasses what the vaccination

10:36

is able to do.

10:38

And if your dog is not vaccinated

10:41

for kennel cough and it does, um,

10:43

get it is the,

10:45

uh, I guess, virus likely to be

10:48

worse in symptoms?

10:49

Yeah. So typically because their immune

10:51

system hasn't had a chance to formulate

10:54

a response through a vaccine, they will

10:56

get much more unwell. Um, and

10:58

in private practice, I've actually seen

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a number of kennel cough cases turn into

11:02

a full blown pneumonia in which

11:05

the dog has to end up staying in an oxygen

11:07

cage on multiple antibiotics.

11:09

And that that can be quite scary because

11:11

obviously when you can't breathe, things can get very

11:13

serious very quickly. Um, and

11:16

any time an animal ends up in an oxygen cage,

11:18

it also ends up becoming quite costly

11:20

to the owner.

11:21

So I guess when we're talking about, I guess,

11:23

kennel cough being a little bit like a cold, um,

11:26

also like a cold. Not something to be taken

11:28

up super trivially either.

11:30

Yeah. Definitely not. And you know, if it's really

11:32

mild, you just hear your dog cough once or twice.

11:35

Um, you can you can use sort of

11:37

common sense, like you would if you had a child

11:39

or yourself. You know, if they're still bright,

11:41

you don't want them spreading it around. And

11:43

so you don't want to be taking them out to the dog park

11:45

and stuff. But if they're starting to become lethargic,

11:48

you're noticing discharge from

11:50

their nose or their mouth, or

11:52

they just don't seem quite themselves

11:55

to you, maybe they've stopped eating. Those are all

11:57

signs that you should probably take them to the vet,

11:59

just to make sure that it isn't turning into something

12:01

more serious, or they might need antibiotics

12:03

or something like that.

12:04

Is there anything else that we've missed that

12:06

is good for owners to know about? Kennel

12:08

cough?

12:09

Um, I guess it's important to know that kennel cough

12:11

is not contagious to humans.

12:14

Um, sometimes I get asked that in private practice.

12:16

So if your dog has kennel cough, you don't need

12:18

to stress, you know, if you're immunosuppressed

12:20

or something, you're not going to get it from your

12:22

dog. Um, and if you have cats

12:24

or anything like that, they won't get it from your dog

12:27

either. Um, there are certain animals

12:29

that can get kennel cough from dogs.

12:31

Um, but it's not very common. And

12:33

that would be on a case by case basis to speak to

12:35

your veterinarian about.

12:43

You've been listening to the Seeing Artwork show on

12:45

Fishing Australia radio that

12:47

was talking kennel Cough with Doctor

12:49

Ash Mooney from Seeing Vet Team.

12:51

Don't forget to chat to your own veterinarian

12:54

for any health concerns for your dog.

12:56

Now I'm going to be playing a repeat of

12:59

some recall tips with puppy development

13:01

trainer Steph Shaw. I hope you find this

13:03

useful and thank you for listening. Hi

13:05

Steph, thanks for joining me on the show today. Thanks,

13:07

Harry. Glad to be here. So I just wanted

13:09

to talk about something that comes up quite

13:11

a bit and is a pretty important thing for,

13:14

well, anyone's dog, whether it's a single dog,

13:16

a puppy or a working dog or

13:18

a pet dog, which is recall for

13:21

anyone that doesn't know what does what, the kind of definition

13:24

of recall or what would you consider to be

13:26

a successful recall?

13:27

Yeah. So that's, I guess,

13:29

getting your dog to come back to you.

13:31

It's like the ideal

13:33

recall is no matter what your dog's

13:35

doing or where they are, you can call

13:37

them. They'll come back to you to the point where you can take

13:40

the collar, clip deletion and bail out.

13:42

Um, so

13:44

yeah.

13:45

So and like you said, when it

13:47

kind of be in an environment, I mean, the ideal

13:49

thing really is that it's not just,

13:52

I guess when you're in your house and you're calling your dog

13:54

to you, you know, to feed it dinner,

13:56

because that's going to be pretty easy because the

13:58

dog's going to be kind of halfway there.

14:00

Mhm. Um, the minute that you start to step in

14:02

that direction, but that's

14:04

going to be amongst kind of quite interesting

14:06

things or you know, we're talking about

14:08

as well things like recalling around other dogs

14:11

and kids and food and that type of stuff. Right. Yeah.

14:13

That's right. Um, it's one of those really

14:15

important skills, but also one

14:18

of the hardest to teach, I guess the

14:20

it's one of those things where teaching the basics

14:22

of it, like getting the dog to move towards you,

14:25

is super easy. But then

14:27

in real life there's so many

14:29

distractions. So having it really

14:32

refined and polished, there's just

14:34

so much work that goes into it.

14:36

And what are the other kind of things that

14:38

I would have mentioned that might make it a little bit harder?

14:40

So when we're thinking about like,

14:43

um, setting up dog training exercises,

14:45

I love to think about the 3DS. So there's

14:48

distance, um, duration

14:50

and distraction. So the distance

14:52

would be like how far

14:54

you are away from your dog. So if you

14:56

were touching your dog's collar,

14:59

took a step back and ask them to come to you.

15:01

Even if there's so many distractions,

15:03

they're probably still going to come like you're right in

15:05

their face there. Um, whereas if

15:07

they were all the way across an oval

15:09

and you call them might be a very different

15:12

story. Um, there's your distraction.

15:14

So that's obvious. You know that example

15:16

of in the House, nothing else is going on.

15:18

You've got a dinner bowl. You are the best thing around.

15:20

They are going to come to you. Whereas, you

15:22

know, the most common time I see people

15:25

call their dog and it not work is when the dog's

15:27

full on playing with another dog, the

15:29

person calls the dog, and if the dog even hears

15:32

them, they kind of go, yeah, nah,

15:34

nah. Um, and then

15:36

your duration, I guess, is more, um,

15:38

like, how often are

15:40

they getting something good for coming back

15:43

to you? Um, so when we're

15:45

thinking about duration and stays, it's, you know, how

15:47

long can they stay there? But, um, for

15:49

a recall, it's, you know, are they expecting every

15:51

time they come back to you, is something good going to

15:53

happen? Do they know what's going to happen

15:55

is that you only call them when you're

15:57

about to clip the leash on and leave

15:59

the park, and they start to anticipate

16:01

like, ah, I don't want to come back to you because

16:03

I'm not ready to go yet. I am having a lot of

16:06

fun over here. Yeah.

16:08

And I guess as well, um, you know, when

16:10

we're talking about, like, distractions, it's also like

16:12

the environmental factors, right? So, like, you know, if you're

16:14

at a park, it's not just the dogs. It's also like

16:16

the sense or whatever's particularly

16:19

reinforcing for that dog.

16:20

Yeah, absolutely.

16:22

And is that something you'd consider as well in terms of

16:24

like that. How you'd reinforce

16:27

the recall.

16:27

Yeah, yeah. And different dogs will have different

16:30

things that are reinforcing to them. So,

16:32

you know, some of the dogs that I work with love

16:34

squeaky toys, um, even

16:36

to the point where it's better than kibble, like, if

16:38

you take their squeaky tug and you squeak it in the

16:40

park, they will come back to you. Yeah. Um,

16:43

whereas for another dog, you could do that,

16:45

and they would just completely

16:47

blank you. Like, they don't give a

16:49

shit.

16:50

It's like Labradors and some some with tennis

16:52

balls and others are like, what

16:55

is it? Why would I.

16:56

Yeah, yeah. So it's about knowing your

16:58

dog and what's high value for them.

17:01

Um, and also mixing it up a little bit. Like if

17:03

they know that if they

17:05

come, they're going to get one piece of kibble.

17:07

But, you know, there's a

17:09

whole group of dogs and they really want to say

17:11

hi to them. They might bail out, but if

17:13

there's a chance that they might get a,

17:16

you know, a sardine or a piece

17:18

of roast chicken that they never are allowed

17:21

to get, maybe you've got a better chance of actually getting

17:23

them to come back, because it's that maybe it's that

17:25

gambling factor. Yeah.

17:27

So when we're talking about, I

17:29

suppose, kind of going to the basics, if

17:31

your dog has absolutely, you know, no

17:34

awareness or recourse. I mean, we're maybe talking about

17:36

a baby puppy here or, or

17:38

either that or a dog that you've never met before or

17:41

I don't know. A rescue dog? Yeah. How

17:43

do you start teaching that baby puppy

17:46

recall? Yeah.

17:47

Um, so one of the ways that they do it that starts even

17:49

before they go out to their puppy carers is

17:51

whistle training. So we'd blow the whistle

17:54

and put the food bowl down. So they're starting

17:56

to associate. They hear that whistle and

17:58

something amazing happens. Um,

18:00

so they start to hear that whistle and come running.

18:03

Um, and from there it's sort of,

18:05

um, building up that distance a little bit. So

18:07

it might be practicing around the house.

18:10

Um, when you think your puppy is going to come to you anyway.

18:12

So not when they're right in the middle of chewing

18:14

something, but when they're kind of looking

18:16

bored and vaguely wandering your direction.

18:18

Call them over. Pup pup pup cup. Um,

18:21

and then give them something fun. It might be,

18:23

you know, in the house, you're the best thing happening.

18:25

They love you. So even just a bit of a praise

18:27

and a tickle. It might be a toy, it might

18:29

be a kibble, um, doing

18:32

things like moving away from them. So they're

18:34

following you. So triggering that bit of a

18:37

playful chasing instinct.

18:39

Um, can be super, super helpful,

18:41

um, at getting dogs to come back to you. Um,

18:44

and one of the things that I

18:46

love to practice with puppies quite young is

18:49

the collar touch game. So reaching down, touching

18:51

their collar, and then giving the treat

18:53

because I see so many dogs that'll

18:56

come towards you, and then

18:58

you go to put the leash on and they run away

19:00

again. Um,

19:02

so actually sort of teaching that as part of the behavior,

19:05

come back until I can touch your collar and

19:07

there's your reward and go and.

19:08

Grab and reach for you. And it's going to be this

19:10

is this is the win here.

19:11

Yeah. Yep. Um, and it's about

19:14

sending them then back to play

19:16

most of the time. So it's, we're trying

19:18

to make it, um, they're

19:20

expecting when they're getting called something

19:23

good is going to happen. Um,

19:25

rather than I'm calling you over and

19:27

I'm shoving you into a bath tub, or

19:30

I'm licking your nails, I'm giving you your medication.

19:33

Yeah. Those things that maybe they don't

19:35

particularly enjoy doing. Yeah.

19:37

So when we've done a bit of recall

19:39

inside the house and the puppy started to come pretty reliably

19:42

in those easier, I

19:45

guess, in those easier or less tempting environments,

19:47

how do we start to build up and,

19:49

and or on the in the same vein, if you've

19:51

got a dog that is kind of or

19:53

maybe this is actually different, you know, that

19:56

kind of knows it, but sometimes picks

19:58

and chooses, how do you, you know, I

20:00

guess get them to recall,

20:02

even if the place or environmental,

20:04

there's a bit more of a distraction going on.

20:06

Yeah, yeah. So I guess, um, safety

20:08

is really important. So, you know, you're not

20:10

going to take your dog out with an imperfect

20:13

recall and take them off leash next to

20:15

a busy road. Um, that is just asking

20:17

for trouble. So, um, setting up something

20:19

like maybe a longer

20:21

leash than normal or something like

20:23

that where you can, um, you

20:25

know, make sure the coat is off if they've got

20:27

a training jacket so they know

20:30

it's different than their normal walk. So you're actually

20:32

doing a specific exercise. You're

20:34

going to encourage them to go and sniff

20:36

and then wait for a moment where

20:38

they're just sort of looking up from something that's interesting.

20:40

So maybe they've seen a bird

20:43

off a little way away and they've gone, oh,

20:45

an interesting bird. And then the bird flies

20:47

off and they go, oh, okay. Um,

20:49

call them in that moment because they're going to

20:51

be looking for the next interesting thing. Um,

20:54

and they're very likely to run over to

20:56

you and again, doing some steps

20:58

away, um, making cheerful noises.

21:01

So think like, um, playschool

21:04

presenter, like, whoa, look what's happening

21:06

over here.

21:07

Yay. A bit of a crouch and yeah,

21:09

gesture and stuff.

21:10

Absolutely. Yeah. So thinking about,

21:12

you know, when puppies are playing with each other,

21:15

um, if one puppy wants to get the other puppy to

21:17

chase them, what do they do? They do that,

21:19

like play bear. They get all bouncy

21:22

and silly. They might pick up a toy and

21:24

wave it around like, I've got this. Do you want

21:26

this? Um, so

21:28

taking some of those just silly,

21:31

fun things, the high pitched noises,

21:33

the whistling, um, to

21:36

just really encourage the puppy to come and

21:39

enjoy your presence for a little bit. Call

21:41

them over, give them a trait, have a play, have a

21:43

cuddle, have a great time with them so

21:45

that then you can send them back into the world.

21:47

But they're thinking, oh, I kind of didn't want that

21:50

to end. I was having such a great time

21:52

hanging out with you, and now you're sending

21:54

me out into this boring paddock with nothing to do.

21:57

Um, so having that leash, there is that bit

21:59

of, um, a safety backup. So

22:01

they can't mess up. They can't

22:03

run away. Yeah. Um, but you're not

22:05

using it to drag them in towards

22:07

you over and over again. You're using

22:10

all of those other things to get them

22:12

in.

22:12

Um, and that's kind of also to some degree,

22:15

a kind of legal requirement, isn't it, that if

22:17

a dog is going to be awfully they have to you have to have

22:19

kind of effective control. Right? So

22:21

just as a as a note, I'm assuming that, yeah,

22:23

if you don't have that, um, yeah.

22:25

If you don't have that perfect recall, um,

22:28

that long line also is a little bit of a

22:30

kind of legal precaution as well to take

22:33

or safety.

22:33

But yeah, absolutely.

22:36

Like I think we've all had the

22:38

situation of driving down the road and seeing

22:40

a dog off leash next to the road. And you don't

22:42

know what it's going to do. And it's that moment of panic.

22:45

Scary. It's very scary.

22:47

Um, so, yeah, you know, keep keep your pup

22:49

safe. Um, but, um,

22:51

you know, it's building from, you know,

22:53

maybe the long line depends, like,

22:56

um, on your puppy and your situation,

22:58

but maybe you've got somewhere safe that you can

23:00

let them do play. So, you know, maybe

23:02

you go to, um, the

23:05

house of a friend who's also raising a seeing

23:07

eye dog puppy or something. Let them have a bit of a play

23:09

and practice in that controlled

23:11

environment of calling them away from

23:13

play. Um, and you might need to really

23:15

reduce your distance when you do that. So,

23:18

you know, calling them from the other side of the yard isn't

23:20

going to work, but maybe going up, touching

23:22

the collar, getting them to come one step, giving

23:24

them a treat and then sending them both back into

23:26

play.

23:27

And kind of starting before they're right in that

23:29

middle of the kind of.

23:30

Yeah, waiting for waiting for a pause

23:32

in the play. So healthy dog play

23:34

will have ups and downs. They'll do their

23:36

zooming around and chase, and then

23:38

you'll see them break off and sniff the ground.

23:41

And that's your perfect time to. Hey, come

23:43

over here. Um, and we, we

23:45

do want, with our recall to build up

23:48

to the point where we can call them away

23:50

from, you know, maybe chasing an animal

23:52

or playing with a dog that's looking

23:54

like it's getting a bit too much. But

23:56

it does take a lot of patterning of,

23:59

um, just building that muscle memory

24:02

of hear the word come to you, hear the word come to you

24:04

until they're not really consciously thinking about

24:06

it. Um, because if they consciously think about

24:08

it, it's not that might.

24:10

Consider against.

24:11

It. Yeah. Actually, I'd rather

24:13

chase that bird. Thank you. Um,

24:15

yeah.

24:15

And so just to kind of, I guess finish

24:18

off, you know, if you've gone that way

24:20

and you think, oh, you know, I'm, I'm ready for this. And

24:22

then your dog has, you know, I guess,

24:24

made that choice to maybe

24:26

not come. Then what might

24:29

you do?

24:29

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so

24:32

I guess there's two main situations where

24:34

that happens a lot. And one would be the

24:36

dogs dashed out the front door. Um,

24:38

so, you know, you've had a guest over. They've

24:41

stood around chatting and the dogs just go and you say,

24:43

dog, come inside and they go, oh, are

24:46

they not? Um, so in that

24:48

situation, um, what

24:50

you don't want to do is run after the dog

24:52

because they see you coming and they go chase your game

24:55

and they run off. Um, but doing something

24:57

like, um, dropping kibble or

24:59

even if you don't have kibble, like, pretending

25:02

that you have and going, oh, this is really interesting

25:04

over here. Look what I found. If they love

25:06

the car, maybe unlocking the car,

25:09

um, and they'll hear the car and go, oh, we're going on an adventure.

25:13

Um, so sometimes those sorts of things work,

25:15

um, or otherwise, just slowly

25:18

following them down, ask them

25:20

to sit and

25:22

then get them and then go back inside,

25:25

um, to avoid the chase. Um, if

25:27

you're at the park and they've just given you the

25:29

finger and gone, nah, don't want to, um,

25:31

think about what can I change? What can I make

25:33

easier? So standing around calling them

25:35

over and over and over, and

25:37

I see people do this in all different voice. Dogs

25:40

come. Count. Dog biscuits.

25:42

Dog, dog. Come here. Um.

25:45

And the.

25:45

Yelling? Probably most helpful.

25:47

Yeah, exactly. And the dog just doesn't.

25:49

It's not getting through. It's not working. So

25:51

the change of tone of voice doesn't really do

25:53

a whole lot, but, um,

25:55

thinking about, oh, can I move closer

25:57

to them? Can I use different body

26:00

language? Could I do I have my whistle?

26:02

Do I have a squeaky toy? Like, what can I

26:04

change about this setup

26:07

to make it more inviting for my dog to come

26:09

over, or harder for them

26:11

to ignore me? Yeah. Um,

26:14

sometimes getting other people involved can

26:16

help. So if your dog is wrestling

26:18

with another dog, and every time your dog

26:20

thinks about coming away, the other dog jumps

26:22

on top of them and restarts. That's a really

26:24

common one. So even asking the other

26:26

person to also call their dog

26:28

can give you a much better chance

26:31

of getting your dog to come back to you.

26:33

And I guess in in those kind of circumstances

26:35

too, is like setting it up

26:37

better next time so that if they're going

26:39

to, you know, if they're not going to come back, then

26:41

maybe it's not quite time for that experience.

26:44

Yeah, yeah.

26:44

And I've definitely had the situation even with

26:46

like really well trained dogs that they

26:48

just have an an off day and they just really

26:50

want to roll in a dead rabbit.

26:53

Oh. And I just have to go up to

26:55

them. I'll call them back and I

26:57

just go, you know what? You've lost your off leash privileges

26:59

for the day. Clip the leash on. Off we go.

27:01

Like there are days. You just have to do that.

27:04

Yeah, um, as well. And at the end.

27:05

Of the day, you know, it

27:08

happened. And it's not something that they should be punished

27:10

for.

27:11

Yeah. You know, they they're dogs.

27:13

It's they like asking

27:16

them to leave all these amazing

27:19

things, um, about being a dog.

27:21

The best thing about being a dog is using your

27:23

nose, playing with other dogs, rolling and

27:25

dead rabbits. Um, so asking

27:27

them to leave all of that come

27:30

here and focus and switch your brain on. You know,

27:32

sometimes they're just not in the mood for

27:34

it. That's so understandable.

27:36

Some days you just want to chuck a sticky.

27:38

You're not going to work, I'm sure. So,

27:41

yeah, they're the same.

27:43

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for giving us some great

27:45

tips on on recall. It's, uh, it's a

27:47

really important one. So anyone with a dog

27:49

out there worth a worth a practice.

27:57

You've been listening to this show

27:59

on Virgin Australia Radio. I hope you

28:01

enjoyed my interviews. The first

28:03

with Jasmine Devlin from our

28:05

Seeing Idols youth program in 2022,

28:08

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Giving Day, as well as her Journey

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Post Youth program. Then

28:15

from Doctor Ashwini we spoke about

28:17

kennel cough and then to finish off we had

28:19

a repeat from our archives with Steph

28:22

Shaw, puppy development trainer, talking about

28:24

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