0:00

Since

0:00

our last episode, I have been

0:02

just every single night,

0:04

building something new, trying something

0:07

new for my home server setup, I feel

0:09

like I've I've really rebounded from

0:11

the death of my raspberry pie. And

0:13

now I'm just like trying out different

0:15

setups. I'm really just going out,

0:17

having fun, live in life,

0:19

experiencing different things. I'm not getting

0:22

committed to any serious configurations or

0:24

setups. I'm just dabbling

0:26

and experimenting and really enjoying

0:28

myself. Soing your seed in the

0:30

field of Linux, I I take it. Absolutely.

0:34

And things were just going really

0:36

great. Until

0:38

last night.

0:39

Uh-oh. but

0:40

we'll get to that. We'll get to that in the show. There's so much

0:42

to get into today that I wanna save

0:44

it for little bit because I know you've been at an

0:46

event recently We also have

0:49

been thinking about doing a little shout out to

0:51

the community, trying to get somebody who might be a discord

0:53

bot wizard to help us come up with a title bot

0:55

for the show. So there's a lot to cover

0:57

today, plus towards the end of the show,

0:59

we've got some great feedback, some good questions.

1:02

I've got some new hardware updates.

1:04

So I well, I'll tell you about it later. Okay? Oh,

1:06

it's such a tease. I think I'll stick

1:09

around and see see what's see what's been happening.

1:11

Stay tuned and find out, Alec. Exactly.

1:14

Well, very quickly, let's just cover the title

1:16

box first, shall we? Very simple

1:18

requirements. We want something that you type, you

1:20

know, bang, you know, exclamation mark

1:23

starts show and that starts the

1:25

timer running and then ideally publishes

1:28

any any bang suggest titles

1:30

to little web page we can rank

1:32

by a number of votes, like

1:34

a number of voting thing. If

1:36

you've been with j b for a while, you remember j

1:38

b titles dot com. Something like that

1:40

that we used to have in IRC but

1:43

for the modern age and discord would be

1:46

bang tidy. Yeah,

1:47

because we've been live streaming now for weeks

1:50

over a Jupiter dot tube every other Wednesday,

1:52

and we put our discord up there.

1:54

We've got a live chat room in our discord.

1:57

And

1:59

the thing is, we've been podcasting for

2:01

so long. Our title making happeners

2:03

are broken. And we we just cannot title

2:05

these things. So we need to crowdsource that. And

2:07

it gives people a chance to participate live and come up

2:09

with a title. If you wanna help us build a bot, reach out,

2:11

let us know. Yeah. If it was up to me every episode

2:13

would be called Linux

2:15

and stuff. We could do our

2:18

our buddy Joe's approach and just drop titles altogether.

2:20

he convinced me to do that with Linux action news?

2:23

Best thing ever. Yeah. Well, news

2:25

is kind of Yeah. That's what I'm different.

2:27

Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So I'm

2:29

a little jelly. You've been at all things

2:31

open today. I have right on my

2:33

right on my doorstep. A great big open

2:35

source for five thousand

2:37

person open source conference right on my

2:39

doorstep. four four to five

2:41

thousand. Do you ask what I've been told? Yeah.

2:44

I I kind of almost feel like maybe this

2:46

is the new Linux fest. Am I right?

2:48

Is it worth going to? Should I travel to this?

2:50

Give me your take. Well, it's a sort of semi

2:53

commercial conference. It's it's in a bit

2:55

of a weird spot if you ask me. It's not like

2:58

Linux Fest Northwest, which is completely

3:00

hippie and free open source love fest.

3:03

And it's not something like Coupon,

3:05

which is just almost entirely

3:07

sales pitches. It seems to be to

3:09

be somewhere in the middle like it's it's

3:12

mostly commercial sponsored stuff.

3:14

and there's a handful of talks given by

3:16

real people. And the rest are given

3:19

by employees of companies who would like you

3:21

to go and use their service mesh implementation, for

3:23

example, or whatever it might be.

3:25

But on the whole, the quality of the

3:27

sessions was okay. I

3:29

think probably about half of the sessions

3:31

I went to were good. and

3:34

the other half were really not good.

3:36

What made them really not good? Were

3:39

they sales pitches? Yeah. A mixture

3:41

of stuff like that. Like, it it was clearly just I

3:43

mean, a forty five minute long infomercial

3:46

or the presenter was

3:49

an intern and had never spoken

3:51

to an audience before or you

3:53

know, those kinds of things really. So maybe

3:55

the bar was a little low on

3:57

who was accepted to speak? Yeah.

3:59

Well, I mean, reason I was interested in going

4:02

was because Jim Solter was down to talk about

4:04

ZFS and who doesn't wanna go and listen to

4:06

Jim, say how bad every

4:08

other fire system in the world except ZFS

4:10

is. Right? Poor guy wasn't

4:12

feeling terribly well though, so he pulled out at the last

4:14

minute. And we

4:16

were left hanging. Unfortunately, no Jim

4:18

Saults, ZFS, Love Fest. you gotta

4:20

get your updated ZFS talking points. What

4:22

are you gonna do? Yeah. I know. Well,

4:24

what I could do instead is talk about WSL2

4:27

Scott Hanselman, who is a Microsoft employee,

4:30

I have to say, was probably the best presenter

4:32

that was at the conference. And he just

4:34

had this wonderful way with him where

4:37

he was funny and actually

4:39

engaging and obviously clearly

4:41

knew that the subject he was talking about extremely

4:44

well. And he did a a very

4:46

slick demo of how WSL two and

4:48

GitHub and VS Code

4:50

and Windows are actually

4:53

the perfect developer platform these

4:55

days. And who would

4:57

have thought, who had on their Bingo card

4:59

ten years ago? Microsoft

5:02

would nail the developer experience

5:04

on

5:05

Linux, on Windows, and just

5:08

make it all work seamlessly together.

5:10

I mean, mind blown.

5:12

Well,

5:14

yes and no. I mean, they have I

5:16

I think, actually, to give credit where credit

5:18

is due. I think Microsoft's

5:20

pivot to focus on

5:22

Linux open source and, I

5:25

would say, broader development

5:27

tools and development platforms, which I

5:29

think is really what they've done, that

5:31

has been very impressive.

5:33

Data serve all the credit. You very rarely

5:36

see these empires. These massive

5:39

corporations make these

5:41

huge pivots. a

5:43

lot of times companies just get locked into

5:45

a way of doing business and

5:47

they just only have tunnel

5:49

vision and they fight everything else to try to

5:51

protect that business model. Microsoft

5:54

figured out that they had to sacrifice a little bit

5:56

of windows and adopt and

5:58

embrace a little bit more Linux open source

5:59

and things like that. Does that To that

6:02

end, I give them total and absolute

6:04

compliments. I think they've done very well.

6:06

And I think it's legitimate in a lot of ways.

6:08

But I think the Achilles heel to this

6:10

dream fantasy that they're saying where you

6:12

can have windows with your compatibility and

6:14

your corporate integration and you have WSL

6:16

and you just using GitHub and v s

6:18

code and everything's great because Edge is based on

6:20

Chrome, so let's have fun. The

6:23

problem is, It's

6:25

still windows. It's still got

6:27

the registry. It's still using NTFS.

6:29

It still has an onion layered

6:32

approach to the control panel. and all the

6:34

legacy stuff that comes in there. It

6:36

still does all of the things that Windows

6:38

does. It's still absolutely

6:41

subject to the corporate tax

6:43

strategy of Microsoft and whatever thing

6:45

they're pursuing for that particular

6:47

release cycle. Windows is absolutely

6:50

still influenced by it. And as a user, you

6:52

have to put up with and wait for the next

6:54

fad so they can swap it out and put the other

6:56

thing in there. I mean, like, right now, right, they're

6:58

bundling in Teams or they'll bundling

7:00

in Cortana or they'll put ads in the

7:02

start menu. it just doesn't matter

7:04

because they're always doing something else because

7:06

one of the fivesomes in Microsoft has

7:08

has finally gotten their chance, their moment.

7:10

and they're gonna get the numbers and they get something built into

7:13

windows. And you will always always

7:16

have to put up with that corporate strategy

7:18

tax with a windows workstation. And

7:20

despite what they say, the driver

7:22

model on windows still blows.

7:24

The printing subsystem on windows

7:26

still blows. The disk i o subsystem

7:28

on Windows still blows. The Windows

7:31

UI is still bloated old

7:33

and has lots of legacy if you go just

7:35

one layer below their new lack And

7:37

so, yeah, you can you can run a

7:39

Linux kernel in a really great hyper virtualized

7:42

environment good for you, and v s code's a

7:44

pretty good product but I could run VS

7:46

code on Linux. I could have a real

7:48

Linux subsystem with a real Linux

7:50

kernel that has real file systems

7:52

and doesn't have all that windows legacy bull

7:54

crap. And so it's close.

7:56

Yeah. But your your rodeo wouldn't work

7:58

though. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, you're right.

8:00

And there are absolutely there

8:02

are situations where like Linux

8:04

doesn't cut it. And I acknowledge that.

8:06

And that's why I think it is really great that WSL

8:09

is as good as it is because

8:11

there are people that just have no choice too.

8:13

And I have to use windows. And for

8:15

them to subsystems there, where if I wanna run

8:17

flight sim, There is no other way for me

8:19

to run flight similar to run windows. Yeah. And

8:21

there's, you know, like, I can't remember

8:23

the name of it, but there's some game that my

8:25

son Dylan loves. And so he's, you know,

8:27

he's snuck in a dual boot into

8:29

Windows now. So that way, he can play that

8:31

one game and it kills me, but I have to

8:33

acknowledge, like, If you

8:35

wanna run that application, you gotta have Windows.

8:37

So it absolutely has its place. But

8:39

this utopia that they're painting for

8:41

developers, you

8:42

know, I

8:43

just can't I can't I can't subscribe to it. I

8:45

can't say as a disagree with anything you

8:47

said, but they did they have

8:49

solved an absolutely huge

8:52

problem, which is encapsulated development

8:55

environment. So Scott

8:57

in his talk showed us something

8:59

called development containers. And

9:01

these essentially are a JSON

9:03

manifest of all the requirements you need to

9:05

develop a specific project. In his

9:07

example, it was an

9:09

O'mai posh, a

9:11

PowerShell kind of candy looking

9:13

to terminal pretty fire

9:15

thing. and he

9:17

downloaded the he he claimed to get

9:19

repo. The passcode automatically

9:21

picked up the JSON file that was stored in

9:23

the correct folder. it pre

9:25

installed all the dependencies in the

9:27

container, Docker container on Windows running

9:29

in the Linux subsystem for Windows

9:31

or whatever the hell it's called. Yeah.

9:33

And within,

9:35

you know, a minute of cloning this repo,

9:37

he was working or, well, hypothetically,

9:40

presentation working. You know what I mean? because that

9:42

that does sound really slick. I gotta be I

9:44

mean, that does sound slick. I mean, a good part of

9:46

my master's degree, sort of 567

9:48

years ago, was trying to solve this

9:50

encapsulated development environment

9:52

thing. that was what led me to Docker containers back

9:54

then and, you know, we were

9:56

looking at pack of VMs and and, you

9:58

know, sending QCal to images around

10:00

people and having, like, a special

10:02

university version of Linux just for this

10:06

computer science course and got

10:08

damn it. Microsoft went and figured

10:10

it out. Microsoft is

10:12

crazy. They did. It's

10:15

pretty legit. And I have to say too, like,

10:17

they recognize They needed a better

10:19

terminal. They absolutely did. They created the

10:21

Windows terminal. They made it an open source project. So

10:23

it seems like it's a pretty good terminal. Like

10:25

Direct Tech accelerated terminal.

10:27

I mean, It's crazy. Yeah.

10:29

It's so funny. It really

10:31

it truly is. It's I have to mention that this

10:33

is something my buddy Michael Dominic and I

10:35

have been talking about for a while on Coder Radio

10:37

because we often talk about the tooling for development

10:40

workstations. And he's kind of been

10:42

through this whole journey.

10:43

Mac? to

10:44

Windows, WSL

10:47

and, like, the Mecha, that that

10:49

opened up for him. And also, of course, v

10:51

s code and also integration with Azure

10:53

and just, like, He went all in for a

10:55

bit. And now he's actually back on

10:57

Linux as his primary development workstation.

10:59

And so the whole journey, I I think

11:01

it's been really interesting. at co

11:03

dot com if you are interested. But

11:05

I wanna hear about the meetup. I know you

11:07

had a chance to go say hi to some audience

11:10

members, you guys coordinated in the

11:12

Matrix chat? It sounded like it went pretty

11:14

well. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I I

11:16

bumped into a couple of listeners. throughout the

11:18

the day who somehow recognized me from

11:20

my voice like it's distinctive and a ringful of

11:22

Americans, so for some reason, who knows?

11:25

So we've got a little clip from

11:27

a couple of listeners that we met up with for

11:29

lunch. So here are all things open with

11:31

Reid and John. How are you liking the conference

11:33

so far, John? It's been pretty good.

11:35

Learned a lot. I've been

11:37

to a bunch of different sessions

11:40

and gotten to meet some

11:42

cool people and meet up with

11:45

the the JB crowd here. Yeah.

11:47

And we use the element to

11:49

JB Matrix. kind of have a

11:51

little mini meet up in the lobby of the conference,

11:53

didn't we? And Reid, I know you've been listening

11:55

for a little while. How are you liking the conference

11:57

as well? Oh, it's great. Yeah. A

11:59

very

11:59

wide range of people

12:02

here from community

12:04

to corporates and

12:06

and lots to learn, lots to

12:09

lots to see and lots of great people to

12:11

meet. Any standout sessions

12:13

for either of you? There

12:14

was a beer

12:16

brewing with IoT

12:19

and JavaScript that I

12:21

knew almost nothing about any of

12:23

those subjects, and now I know a little bit

12:25

about all of those subjects. at

12:27

the Dunning Krueger FX style moment, right, where you

12:29

don't realize how little you actually know.

12:32

You feel vaguely competent. Completely.

12:34

Okay. How about you, John? It was

12:36

a great it was half of AA2

12:38

for one that was on burnout, and

12:40

it was a really good just kind of

12:43

think think about not burning

12:45

out in ways to to kind of handle

12:47

that stress and take breaks and things

12:49

like that. Yeah. Very good.

12:51

I've certainly been certainly

12:53

found burnout myself at times can be

12:55

quite challenging to deal with, particularly

12:57

during the last couple of years. So it's very

12:59

good. Well, I wish you all the best for the rest of the

13:02

afternoon. enjoy the rest of the conference. Thank

13:04

you. I do

13:05

hear what you're saying in there though, that

13:07

it's a pretty wide range that all things open

13:09

is trying to cover. although I I like

13:11

the idea about having sessions on

13:14

burnout. And who doesn't like a session

13:16

about automating beer

13:18

beer with Linux? and open

13:20

source technology. So the

13:22

nice thing was, you know, the the

13:24

Raleigh downtown is is a pretty small

13:26

little place if you've never been.

13:28

And Red Hat tower as we

13:30

call it the tower is only two

13:32

blocks from the convention center

13:34

short five minute walk. So I was able to

13:36

meet up with these listeners read

13:38

and John and take him to lunch at the tower

13:40

today, which as we record

13:42

is Wednesday. Oh, good.

13:44

Did you get more sauce while you

13:46

were there? Alex likes to pick up a little

13:48

extra sauce while he's at the red hat tower.

13:51

So I think what Chris is referring

13:53

to there is Borr's head.

13:55

You know the sandwich company? You think You

13:57

know what? I remember I did. Make this

13:59

absolutely delicious gourmet

14:01

spicy mayonnaise chipotle

14:03

mayonnaise style thing. No, it's

14:05

great. And I cannot get enough of it on Turkey and

14:07

provolone sandwiches when I'm at home during the

14:09

day. So what I used to do at the Tower

14:11

before COVID was anytime I went in the tower, I used

14:13

to go in and buy a bottle of this

14:15

source of the vendor for, I don't know,

14:17

like, ten bucks. Like, if to

14:19

put it in context, A

14:22

tiny little tub of this stuff from

14:24

the supermarket is five bucks,

14:26

but a commercial, catering

14:28

sized bottle of this sauce he gave

14:30

me for ten bucks a time. So

14:32

I used to just slather this stuff on, whereas now

14:34

I have to treat it like gold dust because we've

14:36

got different vendors now after COVID.

14:39

It's a bummer. Okay. Alright. So

14:41

lunch at the Tower, that's awfully nice.

14:43

That sounds great. Yeah. We're nice. We

14:45

also met up with Jay from LearningX

14:47

TV. not

14:48

gonna mess up the creative process. I'm

14:51

here with Jay from LearningX TV.

14:53

Hello, Jay. How are you? Doing well. How are

14:55

you? Yeah. I went to your talk yesterday on

14:58

Retropine, how you're saving

15:00

Retro gaming from oblivion. Yeah.

15:03

So basically, my

15:05

setup is such that sync

15:07

thing, syncs all of my retropies together.

15:09

So if I'm on my handheld, retropie or

15:11

the one on the TV. I could play a game, save

15:13

the game, then go to the couch, and it's

15:15

the same save file, the roms, and everything

15:18

else sync to each other. So it's just like this

15:20

thing where like my save files just follow me

15:22

around. It's just one of the amazing

15:24

things that you could do with technology that you

15:26

might not think right off the top of your head, but if

15:28

you put your mind to it, a little bit of creativity, you'd

15:30

be surprised what you could come up with.

15:32

Turns

15:32

out if you try hard enough, you can.

15:34

Yeah. You're one of the few people on planet Earth

15:36

that's got their on the CM4

15:38

module. Right? How's that working out for you?

15:40

What are you using that for? So

15:42

actually I have a Turing pie, so

15:44

have four of those in there, and then I

15:46

have one in the handheld retro pie.

15:48

So it's actually working out really

15:50

well. And the one that I have in the retro

15:52

pie, if there was a Jeff Girling, I wouldn't

15:54

have it because he actually messaged me on

15:56

Twitter. Like, hey, they have inventory over here.

15:58

So it wasn't for him. I wouldn't have it. I

16:00

actually got the first ones before they got hard to

16:02

find, and then later around. Like, right now, what are they going

16:04

for? Like, some crazy amount of money?

16:06

I dread to think I haven't

16:08

looked, but it's

16:10

More than double, I think,

16:12

MSRP.

16:13

It's ridiculous. Like, especially the people

16:15

that just wanna have fun set up

16:17

something in their home lab, to navigate, scalpers,

16:19

and everything just to work on the fun

16:21

projects that they wanna work on. I think that's terrible. Like,

16:23

we just wanna have fun with our technology.

16:25

So how are you finding all things open? Is your

16:27

first one? Very

16:29

first one. So it is very

16:31

fun. We have a lot of cool people here.

16:34

System seventy six is here. Red Hat,

16:36

Alma Linux, like a bunch of

16:38

open source projects, there's GitLab,

16:40

Moodle, like countless others. It's just so

16:42

much fun to to, you know, just network

16:44

with people especially you haven't met you in

16:46

person until this time, you know, until this

16:48

event too. So I'm meeting really cool

16:50

people and I I wouldn't trade it for anything.

16:52

Yeah. There's something special about an open source conferences

16:54

there. Well, thank you very much, Jay, and enjoy

16:56

the rest of your conference. I

16:58

agree with Jay Sync

17:00

thing for the wind, absolutely one

17:02

of the MVPs of the last few years

17:04

for me has been Sync thing. Just

17:07

my background ambient

17:09

file system sync. I have

17:11

Dropbox, you know, I have NextCloud. I've tried these

17:13

different things. I think of that as

17:15

active, persistent syncing.

17:17

You see it. It's

17:18

got a status. You know what's happening.

17:21

You can bring up the app. You can look at

17:23

what's synced. I kind of look at sync thing. You

17:25

can do all those things with sync thing. There's

17:27

even system tray icons you can get, but I

17:29

kind of think of sync thing as

17:31

like this ambient background sync.

17:33

It's actually syncing file systems

17:35

around. And

17:36

it doesn't

17:37

care where you store something, doesn't have

17:39

to be, like, in a particular directory, like next

17:41

cloud or Dropbox does, it can be

17:44

anything anywhere on your file system.

17:46

It's pretty cool and Jay was using it to sync

17:48

his steam deck

17:50

emulator progress with his Retropie

17:52

TV emulator progress, so

17:54

that no matter where he was, his retro

17:57

games were in sync, which is pretty cool. It's a

17:59

great great idea idea. That's a that's a great

18:01

idea because, you know, you wanna you

18:02

don't wanna lose progress when you move between

18:05

devices. And so maybe next year, I'll see

18:07

you all things open and the

18:10

meantime, keeping on the meetup page at meetup

18:12

dot com slash jup dot

18:14

broadcasting. Linode

18:16

dot com slash SSH That's where

18:18

you go to get a hundred dollars on a new

18:20

account and support the show, linode dot

18:22

com slash SSH We were just

18:24

talking about events That's how I discovered Linode. It was

18:26

at a Texas Linux fest many years

18:29

ago in the before

18:31

times, and to could

18:33

tell Texas Linick's vest was special

18:35

because it was small, but

18:37

the signal was very strong. You know

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18:44

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18:50

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19:00

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19:03

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20:20

VRume has it that

20:22

the h a yellow is in

20:25

production. It's

20:27

here, Alex. It's here, it's

20:29

live, and it's glorious. The

20:32

home assistant yellow finally arrived about

20:34

a year after I crowd funded it.

20:37

decided when I saw that it was

20:39

shipping, I decided to order an

20:41

NVMe drive for it. Mine

20:44

came with ACM4IIII

20:46

could have sworn I ordered it without ACM4A

20:49

compute module four. But it came

20:51

with one, which is okay, my c

20:54

m fours have eight gigs of RAM.

20:56

but whatever. So this

20:58

one only has four, but that's fine or maybe two.

21:00

I don't I don't know what it is. It's not enough,

21:02

but it's we're getting by. I hit that.

21:04

I but I the first thing I did is I put that MVMA disk in

21:07

there. I powered the thing

21:09

up. And

21:10

and discovered

21:12

very quickly that it was just running off

21:14

of the built in and see eMMC

21:16

and wasn't using my NVMA disk.

21:18

And III thought well now

21:21

am I supposed to do with this? Like Just throw it

21:23

in the garbage. You know? Yeah. I get rid of

21:25

it. Bye bye. And I I was digging through

21:28

the the system settings and I go in the

21:30

storage area. And in the hamburger menu,

21:32

there's like this migrate option. So I hit

21:34

that. And it says we're gonna move your

21:36

data over to us to another disc. What

21:38

disc would you like to use? and the only

21:40

disk I had available was the new NVMe about

21:42

a terabyte. It says,

21:44

okay. Well, this take about fifteen minutes.

21:47

and

21:47

then we're gonna reboot. And

21:49

we'll see you then. So I

21:50

say, okay. Go

21:53

ahead. I hit

21:53

that button. Little things

21:56

start spinning. And

21:58

I just couldn't watch it. I I

22:00

couldn't It was too stressful because I didn't know what it was

22:02

doing because again, when it's all like,

22:05

WebUI and their own OS. I have no idea

22:07

what's happening. If they told me to go,

22:09

like, you know, repartition

22:11

a disc and format it, mount

22:13

it, and then update your

22:15

configuration file to point to the new mount point.

22:17

I'd feel like really solid. Like,

22:19

okay. Alright. I know

22:21

I'm done. But, you know, that's not gonna for most people. They

22:23

wanna make it all a gooey option. So, okay, I'll try

22:25

it. So, I I go

22:27

to bed. and I wake up the next

22:29

morning and I go to the

22:31

storage area in the settings, everything's

22:33

working by the way. I go to the storage area in

22:35

the settings and now it just says like nine hundred

22:38

gigs free. As I think it moved

22:40

everything off of the eMMC

22:42

and it moved everything to the MVME

22:45

I'm

22:45

not sure exactly

22:47

what happened because it's kind of It's all

22:49

kind of abstracted for me. But

22:52

the performance is so much

22:56

better. And I have to say say,

22:58

I am very happy with

23:00

the results. III could not ask for

23:03

anything better. and I also decided to just start fresh. I

23:05

went clean. I did not restore my

23:07

backups. I didn't try to import

23:09

my old settings. I

23:11

just said, I'm

23:13

gonna burn three or four days straight, and I'm

23:15

just gonna reset it up. And I I'd

23:17

literally probably spent three days

23:19

resetting it up. There is a good argument at, you know, Nukin

23:21

and paving systems every now and again.

23:24

Like, I I remember back in the day, I used to

23:26

Nukin paved windows. every

23:28

six weeks sometimes, you know, because

23:30

it was just that crusty. You

23:32

still have to, hasn't changed. And then, you

23:34

know, when I get a new phone these days,

23:37

still out of force of habit. I'll start from scratch

23:39

with a new phone. But I

23:41

don't know, like, my

23:43

MacBook here has got the same install

23:46

on it as when it came with it. Like, I

23:48

don't feel the need to do that

23:50

room anymore. But home

23:52

assistant, a so

23:54

much stuff in there that I've

23:56

painstakingly created. I I don't I don't think I

23:58

could do it. I don't think I could do it. I

24:00

had a couple of moments I think that

24:02

saved me. One was,

24:04

I downloaded my old backup

24:06

from the raspberry pie that died,

24:07

and I extracted it

24:10

manually and I opened up my configuration Yamal.

24:12

And I kinda grabbed a few

24:14

key things that I knew I wanted, like,

24:17

my generic thermostat stuff, all

24:19

of my integrations for my cameras.

24:21

I just grabbed that stuff. So

24:23

I didn't take the whole config file, but I

24:25

just took the bits that

24:27

I didn't want to have to recreate from whole cloth. That was

24:29

one thing that I think helped a lot, is I still

24:31

used my old Config file quite a

24:34

bit. but the other thing was

24:36

the z wave migration turned

24:38

out to be a lot easier than I

24:41

expected. The z wave controller

24:43

had everything on the network paired to

24:45

it. And so when I took that USB

24:47

dongle and

24:49

I plugged it into the new home assistant

24:51

yellow, All of the

24:54

nodes were still paired to that

24:56

controller. They all showed

24:58

up as brand new devices to

25:00

home assistant. But all of the

25:02

networking was already done, all the node

25:04

order, all of that was

25:06

already done. And so

25:08

home assistant just using the new

25:10

integration. Just said, oh, look at

25:12

all these Z Wave devices you

25:15

have. This is

25:17

incredible. And so the only part that

25:19

was a pain in the butt was I

25:21

did have to sit there and this was one of like

25:23

this seriously labor intensive tasks.

25:25

and rename every entity,

25:27

every device entry. Just sit there and rename

25:29

them because it just generates these stupid ass

25:31

names. You know what would be really great.

25:34

Imagine if home assistant had this like

25:36

paper clip in the corner that popped

25:38

up and said,

25:39

hey,

25:40

I noticed you've got some new devices. Do

25:42

you want to set those up? I

25:44

mean, super helpful. III don't think anyone's

25:46

done that before. I mean, it's just something that said, hey, would

25:48

you like to just say what you wanna call

25:51

it now? So that way, you don't spend the

25:53

next two days renaming all these things because, of

25:55

course, like, my sensors, every single

25:57

one of my sensors has, like, eight

25:59

different entities. that

26:01

it puts in there. Right? All of my power

26:03

switches have like three or four different entities

26:05

that they put into there. So it's just

26:08

so so many items. That's a good point. The

26:10

onboarding workflow of a new device, I think, could

26:12

actually use some work in that respect.

26:14

Some kind of a wizard or

26:16

something. I should say. So that's my criticism,

26:18

but I should say.

26:21

Wow. It has gotten so much

26:23

easier to set up home

26:25

assistant There's a there's

26:27

so many more UI options for stuff

26:30

now. Like scripts, when you're writing a

26:32

script, you know, the the script thing, you can just

26:34

reorder items now. Oh

26:36

god. I used to have to rewrite

26:38

the script or I'll do it in Yamal in the

26:40

past. Now you can just reorder

26:42

items. It's incredible the

26:44

stuff that just the the

26:46

friction that they over time have

26:48

smoothed out. It reminded me of, like, if

26:50

you've been playing an MMO since it

26:52

launched, like say Star Trek Online, and you've been playing it

26:54

for like ten years. And so, like,

26:57

you're just at the end game and you've been at the end

26:59

game for years, And then you

27:01

decide to go create an alt account and you

27:03

start over from the beginning and you realize they've

27:05

completely redone the

27:07

beginning of the game, a totally new

27:09

tutorial, a totally new introduction to the

27:11

game, a whole new story arc, and you're like,

27:13

wow. This is so much better

27:15

than when I tried this years ago.

27:17

that's where home assistant is at now. It is

27:19

so much easier to set up. Interesting. Well,

27:21

maybe I should do when you can pave. Just

27:23

in the interests of science and the show is

27:25

to fight that home. I feel like

27:27

it was a lot simpler. I mean, yeah, I had to go through

27:29

the whole rename thing. Here's the only thing that's been

27:31

a lot easier this time around. As

27:33

of right now now, I don't have

27:35

a single automation. You look smug about that.

27:38

Why'd you look smug about that? Oh, I don't know. My

27:40

last box, I probably have like fifteen

27:42

automations. And now I don't have a single automation.

27:44

And I mean, if you think about

27:46

it, I'm sure I will have one eventually.

27:48

It's so much simpler. So

27:50

I have used the scheduler card

27:53

custom component that lets me

27:55

schedule things in a

27:57

UI that is so much more intuitive

27:59

than using an automation that controls

28:01

the lights and the outdoor stuff

28:03

so much simpler then I've gone

28:06

all in on thermostats, so I use the generic

28:08

thermostat, which combines a

28:10

temperature sensor with the smart plug.

28:12

So the temperature sensor is

28:14

used as the thermostat data and

28:16

the smart plug gets toggled on and

28:19

off and I just set the

28:21

temperatures using generic thermostats now

28:23

III it's so much easier. My

28:25

first pass, they didn't have generic thermostats.

28:28

And so I was doing I was doing automations

28:30

based on temperature ranges and sensor

28:33

or data, and it was all manual. And now

28:35

it's just so smooth.

28:37

And so that made it a lot easier

28:40

too. Not having to, like, rebuild my

28:42

automations

28:43

was a huge time

28:44

saver. And so using the

28:47

scheduler card, which I will link And

28:49

it's not the scheduler integration. That's something different.

28:51

You want the scheduler card. I'll have a link

28:53

to that in the show notes. And the generic thermostat,

28:56

that is just something built in the

28:58

home assistant. Those two things together

29:00

saved me a ton of ache.

29:02

And because the scheduler card allows

29:04

for things like presence detection, sunset

29:07

sunset, information, those types of things, I

29:09

was able to avoid creative

29:11

automations for things that I used to do all the time.

29:13

Nice. Yeah. Oh,

29:15

it's so great. It's so great. And it's so

29:17

fast, Alex. Well, that's what happens when you

29:19

have real storage, like an NVMe

29:21

disc. You know, Home Assistant

29:23

is making a lot of, you know, little

29:25

transactions, which an SD

29:27

card or even something hanging off

29:29

the USB bus. just isn't

29:32

optimized for. It didn't feel like a

29:34

problem. But

29:34

now, it's so

29:36

fast that, like, you know, have you ever had that thing where you

29:38

accidentally, like, double tap or something like that?

29:40

Like, just kinda, like, have a finger spasm

29:42

when you tap twice when you mean to tap once

29:44

or or something like that. Yes.

29:46

It's so fast that, like, it'll

29:48

hit it. Boom boom. Like, when I double do that double

29:50

tap spasm, light on, light off.

29:52

Just boom boom. It's it's

29:54

incredible. There's just There's literally

29:56

no delay at all. And I

29:59

I am so happy with the home assistant yellow

30:01

using NVMe storage.

30:03

III don't even mind

30:05

that it's running its own operating system. I'm all

30:07

in right now. And it's been funny watching my

30:10

snapshots as I've configured this thing. when first

30:12

started like a three hundred kilobyte snapshot,

30:14

and then a

30:15

megabyte megabyte, and then

30:16

two megabytes. And now my snapshots are

30:19

like, sixty megabytes. Right? It's just as, like, keep building

30:21

the system out, like, the backups keep

30:23

getting bigger. Bigger. I love it, but

30:25

you are such an ad. On my old

30:27

pie, I think, like, the home assistant backups were, like,

30:29

one point two gigabytes. And now

30:32

they're, like, like, seventy, eighty

30:34

megabytes or something around there. They're just

30:36

totally It's a totally leaner, meaner system. There's a

30:38

lot of advantages to that, and

30:40

I had to take some remedial action

30:42

with one of my shellies this week.

30:45

my Shelly two point five that Brent

30:47

the wonderful Brent helped me install whilst he

30:49

was here, that controls my

30:52

outdoor rear floodlights. we

30:54

were down at the fire pit and I had the lights on the back of the house,

30:56

so it was lighting up the yard a little bit.

30:59

Every thirty to sixty seconds, they

31:01

were just turned off.

31:03

for a second and then turn back on for thirty

31:06

seconds and then turn off

31:08

and then turn back on and I'm like, what are you

31:10

doing? That's not good. Now,

31:12

so I go in the Shelley app and then for some

31:14

reason the device is rebooting and

31:16

resetting itself. So I

31:18

have to catch the Shelley app just at the right time the

31:20

device is on the network to even get

31:22

network connectivity to get it to load

31:24

in the app properly before it

31:26

resets itself. Turns

31:28

out, it only did that when it was

31:30

under load with the lights on. So my guess

31:32

is there was some kind of a threshold

31:35

of maybe temperature. I don't know

31:37

being met. So I

31:39

did a bit of research, and this led me to

31:41

something I've done in the past on a couple of

31:43

my other shellies, which is replaced the

31:45

stock firm where the mongoose OS comes

31:48

on the Shelley with one of

31:50

the more open firmwares,

31:52

Taz Motors or ESP Home. There's a

31:54

link in the show notes But essentially, the

31:56

the gist is this. But the

31:58

Xiaomi ship with non standard

32:01

DuPont pin sized I

32:03

don't know. You got a jumper pins, you

32:05

know, where you see you can connect them over USB with

32:07

a serial device and reprogram the shellies

32:09

that way and manually flash the firmer

32:11

onto them that way. but this shell

32:14

is already in my wall neatly tucked

32:16

away and I don't wanna be pulling it

32:18

out and doing that kind of

32:20

thing. really if I can avoid it. So I thought I'd try

32:22

and find a way that does it over the air.

32:25

And in the linked blog post, there is

32:27

a tool called MG2X

32:30

And this thing allows

32:32

you to put a TAS motor

32:35

directly onto the Shelly just by

32:37

using an over the air firmware upload.

32:39

And within about forty

32:42

five seconds, I'd replace

32:44

the default OS with a single

32:46

command in my browser. That's great. Is

32:48

it using a built in tool or

32:50

is it an exploit? I think it must

32:52

be. There's no you know, so we've talked about Two

32:54

year convert in the past,

32:57

which is a which basically

32:59

created a man in the middle for these third party

33:01

updating things, which then

33:03

spoof the update server. None

33:05

of that stuff is needed because the shellies are a

33:07

lot more open than that. So I think all

33:09

it was doing was just providing through, you know,

33:11

when you go to a website and you have a question mark

33:13

and then a few parameters after the question mark. Essentially,

33:15

what it was doing was providing the URL

33:17

for the update to this custom firmware

33:20

minimal firmware to the

33:22

over the air URL update feature built

33:25

directly into the web server of the existing

33:27

Shelley. So

33:29

no No weirdness, no hackery going on.

33:31

It's just a really cool project.

33:33

I see the Shelley Plug

33:35

s is supported. I

33:38

actually wasn't really planning to say this,

33:40

but I have

33:42

noticed my least reliable device in my

33:44

new setup right now is my Shelley

33:46

Smart plug. I've just had it go offline a couple of

33:48

times. None of my other devices have done

33:50

that. And I wonder if it isn't the OS

33:52

because the hardware seems pretty

33:54

solid. Well, I thought I'd put TAS motor on

33:56

there because it has temperature monitoring and

33:58

that was, you know, where my mind went to originally

34:00

as well, is this device resetting

34:03

because there's a temperature limit set

34:05

in the mongoose OS that

34:07

Shelley ship on these things, uh-oh, is my house about

34:09

to catch fire and burn down? Yeah.

34:11

Don't ignore this. And when I when

34:13

I, you know, throw that both the light switches on and and put all the juice through this

34:16

thing, the maximum temperature it gets to

34:18

is about fifty Celsius. So it's

34:20

totally fine.

34:22

It's nothing to worry about from from what I can tell. I

34:24

don't really have anything negative to say about

34:26

does waste from this thing. I think my original goal was

34:28

to actually put ESP home on on

34:32

the Shelley. but I like taskbar users so much. I'm just gonna leave it there.

34:34

Yeah. Why not? Right? If it works?

34:36

Sometimes you compromise. I did

34:38

that. There was there was

34:40

one device there is one device

34:42

that I I completely forgot about this, but it did happen. There was

34:44

one device I just had to toss out. It

34:46

was a home kit device. It was an

34:48

LED light strip I bought that

34:51

worked for the home kit, but you know what the issue was is I

34:53

lost the home kit pairing code. Not

34:56

only did I lose the home kit pairing

34:58

code, but I cannot figure

35:00

out for the life of me how to get this thing to try

35:02

to like reintroduce itself to the home kit

35:04

network. And I just I didn't

35:06

want WiFi,

35:08

Zigbee, Z Wave and home kit. Right? Like, I just don't need

35:10

all of it. And so I went over

35:13

to Amazon and

35:15

I picked up the Zenglad

35:18

Zigbee smart LED light strip. It's

35:21

a sixteen point four foot

35:23

smart light strip. Now I

35:25

know, guys, I know i know I

35:28

know.

35:28

There are

35:29

ways you can build Z

35:32

Wave or Zigbee devices

35:34

for pennies on the dollar compared to this. I

35:36

understand that. Here's the

35:39

situation. I deployed my

35:41

new system and the kitchen light

35:43

strip. This is the one that my wife uses while

35:45

she's cooking to get all extra light. wasn't

35:48

working because it's a home kit

35:50

one. And she wanted

35:52

something fast and the wife

35:54

approval factor was declining with the

35:56

new server quickly.

35:58

So I snapped up this

36:00

ZenGlide Zigbee smart led strip.

36:02

I don't know if I'm saying it right. It's got leads

36:05

in it, and it's got smarts in it. And this is for Alexa

36:07

and Google. It's just a

36:10

Zigbee device. and see you

36:12

just if you have a Zigbee

36:14

controller, you just get it, you

36:16

know, doing the Zigbee thing

36:18

and you can control it immediately with home

36:20

assistant. It picks it up You can control

36:22

the colors, the brightness,

36:24

everything works, talks to it

36:26

natively. It's sixty bucks

36:28

from Amazon, But it is

36:30

one of these things that you can just buy

36:32

and pair immediately natively to home

36:34

assistant, and we got it up and running in

36:36

fifteen minutes. and man

36:38

did that solve the problem and now

36:40

she's a hundred percent in on the new system.

36:42

So I just wanted to give that a plug if you're

36:44

looking for an LED light strip that

36:46

you can hooked to a Zigbee network that works with home assistant,

36:48

I can vouch for this guy, and I'll put a link

36:50

in the show notes. It also

36:52

comes with

36:54

a remote I wish I have not tried yet, but I believe is

36:56

also a Zigbee device. It's just an

36:58

on and off in brightness. So it's a little

37:00

physical or mouth that you can

37:02

mount anywhere And I I would imagine

37:04

once you tie it to home assistant could control

37:06

anything. And the kit I got from Amazon for

37:08

sixty bucks includes that. It also

37:10

includes a Zigbee hub. which I do not

37:12

need. Well, tell me about

37:14

your jelly fin exploits this week.

37:16

You've been a busy boy?

37:18

Oh, jeez. Oh jeez, you wanna hear about this? I mean, why don't

37:20

I do we? You tell me, you tell us.

37:22

Let the audience be your guide. Alright.

37:24

So it was going

37:26

real well. I mean, I thought to myself, here's what I'm gonna do.

37:28

I got this whole no container theory.

37:30

I think this is gonna work

37:32

really well. I'm gonna

37:34

just install everything natively on

37:36

NICS. I'm gonna use the NICS package

37:38

manager to

37:40

manage everything. and I wanted to get a sense of what this would be

37:42

like before I actually deployed it on my O

37:44

droid because I was waiting for an

37:46

SSD hard

37:48

drive and a

37:50

power cable for that hard drive, which is a was a custom order

37:52

piece. So I thought in the meantime,

37:54

I'll deploy it on my HP dev

37:56

one which already runs Nick's OS and

37:59

I'll just start reconfiguring that dev one like I

38:02

would configure a home

38:04

server. So I

38:06

I took external

38:08

SSD that I had from the old

38:10

raspberry pie. And I I connected that

38:12

so that might have some storage to work with for a little

38:14

bit because it's just an

38:15

experiment. And I got that all mounted, set

38:17

up with butter FS like a gentleman,

38:20

and set up jellyfin

38:23

on Nick's OS. set up Infuse on the Apple

38:26

TV, and I was I

38:28

was really really in a good spot.

38:30

I tried out Infuse this week because

38:32

of you. Oh,

38:34

yeah. We went to the mountains last weekend, and

38:36

Ella needed a bit of entertainment in the

38:38

car on the way. So I thought, oh, well, Chris

38:40

recommended infuse

38:42

on iOS. So I downloaded a few YouTube videos

38:44

and copied a few files

38:46

across. interviews

38:48

is great. You

38:50

like it, good. I really like

38:52

it. Yeah. It's nice. It is

38:54

so nice. And for me, it was a big I

38:56

felt like this was This my shot for

38:58

a gelatin adoption because we're

39:01

using Infuse on Apple

39:03

TV for plex.

39:04

the plaques And so if I just

39:06

change the back end out to jellyfin, it's

39:08

the same exact UI for the family

39:10

members like nobody would probably notice. Right?

39:13

And now I could be using jellyfin. Right? Oh, you're

39:15

a smart cookie. I set it all up on

39:17

the next box. I got it all working

39:19

with Infuse. It was great. Then

39:22

one night. We spent one night out

39:24

in the woods just recently, just like a

39:26

couple of days ago. We had one night to spend out

39:28

just the wife and I in the woods. between

39:30

Halloween and other things going on. And we get it

39:33

all set up, candles are lit, we

39:35

had an excellent dinner, shared a

39:37

bottle of shared a bottle of wine

39:40

wine, We go back in the bedroom,

39:42

turn on the television, decide

39:44

to watch a little

39:46

TV. I've I launched the

39:48

Jellybean App, and it auto

39:50

discovers, like it has on all my other

39:52

devices, auto discovers my jellyfin

39:54

instance. I select the

39:56

jellyfin instance, The wife looks over at me,

39:58

appreciating my hard work on setting all this

39:59

up, thinking how great I am.

40:01

I say select

40:04

that server, and I get back in

40:06

error message that says,

40:08

incompatible server version.

40:10

Now I'm in the woods where there's really no sales

40:12

signals, so there's no streaming. I've

40:14

got the room in romantic mode. The wife's

40:16

back there. She's thinking I've done great getting

40:18

this whole system rebuilt and I cannot

40:20

get anything to play. And the jellyfin

40:22

app just says, go screw yourself. Your server is

40:25

out of date. I don't know. Because, of

40:27

course and this happens every now,

40:29

and the Knicks is really pretty

40:31

much a bleeding edge, rolling

40:34

distribution, but it

40:36

depends on maintainers. And jelly thin

40:39

is just currently out of date on

40:42

NextOS. It's close to getting

40:44

updated. They have the next version in testing

40:46

right now. As of two days

40:48

ago, really close. I could technically install it if I wanted

40:50

to right now. But, you

40:52

know, if I wanna start playing with

40:54

goodies like

40:56

skip intro, Well, I'm gonna have to

40:58

play with plugins because Infuse may not even support

41:00

it if I do, but jellyfin doesn't seem to

41:02

really have native support. So, like, I'm gonna

41:05

have to, like, get a plugin that does intro detection

41:07

and then automatically skips its server size and side

41:10

and then just streams that to infuse. Like, I

41:12

gotta, like,

41:14

hack it around to get it all working. And to do that, I also

41:16

need their fork of FFmpeg, and

41:18

I also need everything to be the absolute

41:20

latest version. All of a sudden, I'm pretty much

41:23

just looking at, like, the Linux Server IO jellyfin container

41:25

and thinking, why don't I just deploy that? I'm

41:27

right back at the container

41:30

situation. I'm right back where I where

41:32

I began. And then on top

41:34

of that, I kinda missplex. Like, the skip intro stuff?

41:36

Huge for me. I'm watching Star Trek

41:38

Enterprise right now and I refuse.

41:42

I refuse to watch that intro.

41:44

I will never watch that intro again.

41:46

Ever. I've

41:47

watched it

41:48

twice in my life. when it

41:51

premiered, and when I played it for my wife. And after that, I

41:53

will never watch that intro again, I refuse,

41:55

and the third time

41:58

you loaded up jellyfin and it wasn't this getting ready. Oh my

41:59

god. I came running across the room

42:02

for the remote. I'm like,

42:04

no. Yeah.

42:06

I had to fast forward, like, an animal. And so I, like, I missed that.

42:08

Also, if you're using the native apps,

42:10

and I think you'll greet Alex.

42:12

agree out plex app is way

42:14

better. It's not perfect, but yeah, it

42:16

it is it is better. Just the

42:19

layouts better, the design, everything,

42:22

It's a shame. If you're using Infuse, it's exactly the same.

42:24

But yeah. So, you know, I

42:26

realize that this Nick's OS package

42:28

is gonna get updated. and

42:31

this won't be an issue for much longer. But

42:33

it could be an issue again and sometimes

42:36

the TV

42:38

breaks it absolutely the worst

42:40

moment possible. And that's what

42:42

happened to me. You know? You know? And

42:44

that's

42:44

why

42:45

I adopted plex and

42:47

the NVIDIA shield is kind of like the default

42:50

media setup in the

42:52

house. Most of

42:55

the time, And I would say more than ninety five

42:57

percent of the time, plex in the

42:59

NVIDIA shield just get the

43:01

job done reliably. I

43:03

am enjoying the real time updates of

43:06

Fia's face in the

43:08

Discord channel. You enjoy that too.

43:10

They're having a good time weren't they?

43:13

for the listeners, there's a picture of a lady. It's not

43:15

her dear. But I'm just playing

43:18

a completely straight face

43:20

of I asked him to put on

43:22

Netflix he glances at me and starts fumbling with some weird on

43:24

his TV and laptop. We sit there

43:26

while he does something on his laptop

43:30

with a trembling finger and mumbles something about

43:32

torrents. If if this one's

43:34

hitting close to home. Yeah. You

43:36

see this? Yeah. Yeah.

43:40

Oh, man. Yeah. So, you know, the ironic thing is I mean, I do follow you're

43:42

saying. But the ironic thing is, if we

43:44

were watching on the Apple TV with Infuse,

43:48

it wouldn't have been a problem. But because we are on the NVIDIA shield

43:50

and it had an auto update to the jellyfin

43:52

app, I just got this

43:54

i just got this incompatible incompatible error. But I

43:56

will say every time I try jellyfin,

43:59

it gets a little bit better.

44:01

Of course, plex is moving on as well at the

44:03

same time, which doesn't help. But

44:06

You know, I think in the next year or two,

44:08

the tipping point will come. We're we're really

44:10

close to where jellyfin will be good enough

44:13

to have that chrome, you know, like skip intro that, you know,

44:16

there's little things that I really

44:18

value. And once we're there, I

44:20

won't look back when

44:22

I switch. you know, when it's ready, it's gonna be

44:24

amazing. I think it's there for

44:26

me now. We're using Infuse. And

44:28

so my

44:30

plan is to absolutely deploy it at

44:32

home and then keep plex at the studio.

44:34

So I'm like not giving up plex. I'm

44:36

gonna have plex running here at the studio on

44:38

the studio we

44:40

like, JB media, my

44:42

archived media, if we share it

44:44

with people, like, that'll be the core plex setup.

44:46

But then at my

44:48

home setup, that I'm gonna keep with jelly fin. And I I'm

44:50

good. I haven't tried it yet, but there is a

44:52

plugin that lets

44:54

you scan and

44:56

and skip intros. It has a couple of limitations, but I think

44:58

it makes sense. The intro has to be within

45:00

the first twenty five percent of

45:03

an episode are the first ten minutes.

45:06

And the intro has to be between

45:08

fifteen and two minutes long. Fifteen

45:10

seconds and two minutes long. And if it meets those

45:12

criteria, supposedly, it can detect it and then

45:14

mark it. And then

45:15

on on the setting side,

45:17

you can just tell

45:19

the jellyfin server automatically just skip

45:22

it. Don't even ask the client just skip

45:24

the intro. And they think that'll be

45:26

fine. That'll work

45:28

for me. And and if that's the case, then overall, I really I'm very

45:30

happy with jelly thin. I think it'll be I

45:32

think it'll be good. A lot of the work that

45:34

Plex did with their

45:36

sonic fingerprinting and

45:38

all that kind of stuff to detect the intros was

45:41

extremely impressive, but I think

45:43

give just given a bit more

45:45

time and jellyfin is not a commercial project like plex,

45:47

of course. So they are gonna be in a

45:49

different class of, you know, speed of

45:51

development and polish and all that

45:53

kind of stuff. I'm willing to

45:55

accept those compromises for my media

45:58

library being air

45:59

quotes free. and

46:01

perhaps not monitored. I mean, I can't make

46:04

that claim. I don't know if Plex is gonna monitor, but

46:06

I could see how commercial interest would persuade

46:08

them to. But also, just

46:10

that aside, Jellifin

46:12

works a little better offline than Plex does,

46:14

and I am ultimately always trying

46:16

to build this system to operate as

46:18

seamlessly as possible with no internet connection.

46:21

And with plex, that sometimes

46:23

falls down. Well, like we talked

46:25

about with Arun last week, you

46:27

know, for you where your

46:30

internet connectivity comes and goes, you

46:32

know, something like room where it just has

46:34

zero minutes of guaranteed

46:36

offline play playback is just not an

46:38

option. I didn't renew my

46:40

room. I I didn't buy room after my free

46:42

trial, by the way. anybody

46:44

interested. III thought about it long and hard

46:46

after the episode, but in the end, I just

46:48

couldn't do it. Yeah. jellyfin is

46:50

just that it it's like

46:52

what was it? Cody, X BMC.

46:54

It's like what that project could

46:56

have been, you know, turned into. It's

46:58

like the modern version of that, and I'm

47:00

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47:28

Time for some feedback, I think.

47:30

Julian f writes in via Matrix.

47:33

I was excited to hear about the Minecraft

47:35

mark two, but then discovered Minecraft

47:38

STT service is a

47:40

proxy for Googles. STT. I think

47:42

that means speech to

47:44

text. Has anyone found a comparison of

47:46

various home assistants and how

47:48

relatively good and private each

47:50

system is? And it's just as a

47:52

Minecraft integration for home assistant,

47:54

but is it any good? This

47:56

is a tough problem.

47:58

The voice assistant

48:00

voice assistance stuff is

48:02

is kinda necessary in my house. Like,

48:04

that's how my kids prefer to interact with

48:06

home assistant.

48:08

And honestly, I'd say my wife probably fifty fifty

48:10

percent of the time ish, somewhere in that range.

48:12

She likes to interact with home assistant

48:16

through voice. You guys

48:18

know my solution has been the home

48:20

pod. The downside there

48:22

is home pods

48:24

require Internet. to do the voice transcription and they're doing it on

48:26

Apple servers. The

48:28

upside

48:29

is

48:29

that once it figures out what

48:32

you're saying, It executes

48:34

that over the land, where some devices

48:36

use like an API and a cloud system

48:38

and all that. I don't know if that's

48:40

same for Minecraft, other than it sounds like

48:42

they're using Google speech to text, which that's not ideal. Do you have a sense of this one, Alex?

48:44

There are zero voice assistance

48:47

deployed in production in this house

48:49

because we've talked about several times, they are just getting

48:52

worse and more annoying and more

48:54

nappy and

48:56

hey, by the way, did you know that you No. No. Shut up. I just want to

48:58

know what the weather is or I I'm

49:01

not interested. Okay? I've

49:04

never really played around with it until just this most recent build. But

49:07

when you subscribe to Nevakasa

49:09

cloud for home assistant,

49:12

One of the features you get is their

49:14

text to speech service. I

49:16

don't know if you've tried it.

49:19

But it sounds better than Googles.

49:21

I did a little a b comparison and have

49:23

the family say which one they like better. They

49:26

all pick the Nebraska text to

49:28

speech service. And I mean, it's on their servers. So I don't know how I don't I

49:30

don't know. Maybe they're just proxy in somebody

49:32

else, but I've been using that. So

49:34

I have scripts

49:36

like we've talked about in the show before. And

49:38

now when the script kicks off,

49:40

it uses the Nabokasa

49:42

text to speech service to

49:46

play on all the home pods that like the

49:48

bedtime mode is starting and everybody's got like fifty

49:50

minutes to get their ass to bed. And

49:52

it sounds great, but it's not

49:54

local. I

49:55

I imagine it's more private than using

49:57

the Google One, but it's not local.

49:59

I'd love something local

50:01

and something that could tie into a speaker. I don't care if I have to

50:03

build the device for it, a little

50:06

microphone. In fact, in a way, I'd prefer to

50:08

build my own device I could build it with ass

50:10

microphones positioned right where I need them.

50:12

That's the case in it. Local

50:14

local local. Yeah. Absolutely. we

50:17

did link to the integration

50:19

from Minecraft that that

50:22

Julian also included. If

50:24

you know, let us know. If you've seen a comparison of home

50:26

assistance, if you have

50:28

a little bit of experience you've done, or if you

50:30

have a Minecraft that you've tried with home

50:34

assistance, Let us

50:34

know. Self hosted dot show slash

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new podcast app. And speaking

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of boost, Jean Bean came in this week with a really

50:44

generous twenty thousand four hundred

50:46

and eighty Sats. And Jean has

50:48

a question, How do

50:50

y'all back up your NextCloud? I'm

50:52

running the Snap version on

50:54

Deviant for now. It's just simplicity,

50:56

but I'm totally game to change it as I

50:58

have to migrate servers some point

51:00

anyways. So how do you back up your next cloud? Well,

51:02

all of my containers and I run next cloud

51:04

in the container, of course,

51:06

is they're

51:08

all backed all of their app data to what I call a kind of

51:10

persistent data of these containers.

51:12

They're all ZFS volumes, and then

51:14

I just replicate those

51:16

across the world to various different servers

51:18

that I have. I've got one upstairs,

51:20

so my main servers in the basement.

51:22

I use ZFS send, which

51:24

is wrapped in Jim

51:26

Salta's sanoid and sinkoid

51:28

tooling to send it to a box that I

51:30

have under my desk

51:32

which has just got a couple of ten terabyte drives in it as a full

51:34

ZFS replication of what's in the basement

51:36

in case of a pipe burst

51:40

or something and then I don't have to rely on the internet to get that data

51:42

back. If this house blows

51:44

down for whatever reason, then I've got stuff

51:46

on the other side of the Atlantic that I can

51:48

recover from. third

51:50

pronged to that backup

51:52

strategy, I use auto

51:54

restik as a wrapper around restik to

51:56

send my stuff over to a

51:59

Synology as well. And that does all the app data on

52:01

a file level as opposed to ZFS's

52:03

block level. So I've got kinda two

52:05

two pronged approach

52:08

to how I back up that data. I'm people

52:10

do when they wanna back up, like,

52:12

twenty five terabytes of data?

52:16

Well, the only option real realistically is

52:18

to either pay through the nose for glassier

52:20

or something like that with AWS.

52:23

or to build a server and stick

52:25

it at a friend's house. I mean, once you're

52:27

getting above the sort of twenty,

52:29

fifty, hundred terabyte numbers.

52:32

The monthly payments on that would pay for

52:34

a server somewhere else pretty quickly. I

52:36

think you're

52:37

right. I think you're right. Jean

52:38

Bean also sent another twenty forty eight SaaS just to say that he's really

52:40

been enjoying the random life feeds over

52:42

at Jupiter dot tube and he's looking

52:44

forward to Deets on the o droid

52:47

We don't mention it all the time. I hope we've

52:49

mentioned it frequently, but if you don't

52:51

know, we have been live streaming over at Jupiter

52:53

dot two, which is our

52:55

own JV self hosted instance of peer

52:57

tube, which is like a YouTube in a

52:59

box. We mostly just use it

53:01

to just record how

53:03

we make the live show or how we record the shows,

53:05

live and all that. But, you know, you

53:08

could use it if you are an open source

53:10

project or or a church

53:12

or or like a city council

53:14

or a school district, you could use it

53:16

as your own private YouTube instance

53:18

with playlist and accounts and all that kind

53:20

of stuff. User ninety fourteen

53:22

using Fountain hasn't set their

53:24

username. Boosted it with twelve hundred sets.

53:26

Tinkers will

53:28

be tankers. I'm trying to boost thing with the fountain app. So far, I'm not

53:30

really a fan of the app. I love the concept of value

53:32

for value, but the app coming from

53:34

PocketCast. To me, it's just not

53:36

the same. Maybe

53:38

it's just me being an asshole, Android developer. I'll keep

53:40

trying to get the two point zero apps. Thanks for

53:42

the shows though. I love them all. Send me

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love from Spain. I agree.

53:48

It's an uphill adoption.

53:50

I'm not gonna lie to you. it

53:53

took me a solid month to to wrap my head around

53:56

fountain. I just I really what made fountain

53:58

stick for me is I started discovering

54:00

new podcasts through their

54:02

clips feature. And then I was like, I was

54:04

onboard. But I've been hearing from some people, they'll stick with their favorite app and they'll use

54:06

podverse dot f m, the web app,

54:08

to boost into the show.

54:11

User sixteen ninety two wrote in with

54:13

fifteen hundred sets. I just wanted to let you know

54:15

that the roon lifetime used to only

54:17

be four hundred and

54:19

ninety nine dollars. The CEO is threatened to pull it at some point as

54:21

it's not sustainable, and so I buckled and

54:24

bought the lifetime. A one off

54:26

purchase for me is way better than ten bucks

54:28

a month. just what you'd like to

54:30

know. I'm a bit more inclined for

54:32

that kind of thing too. I mean, four ninety nine is a

54:34

little rich for my blood, but six

54:36

ninety nine now. Yeah.

54:38

And such times every now and then those things have like a black Friday, so probably

54:40

not ruin. But five

54:42

hundred bucks for a lifetime, I'd have to

54:45

use it I'd have to use it for at least

54:47

five years consistently for me to

54:49

start at least. In the time

54:51

since the last episode, My

54:53

free trial has expired as

54:55

I mentioned, but the

54:58

feature voting section of

55:00

the Roon forum reenabling

55:03

offline grace period for the

55:05

server has become their most requested

55:07

feature ever in the space of a week, which

55:09

I just think is amazing.

55:11

tell you something doesn't it? It does, and it will

55:13

be really interesting to see whether they listen

55:16

or not. And that will dictate,

55:18

for me, the posture of the company and

55:20

the product moving forward and huge signal. Depending on how they react to this

55:22

will depend as to whether I become a customer or

55:24

not. Yeah. You're right. This is one of

55:26

their this is a defining moment for them. It

55:28

really is.

55:30

Yeah. I'm really grateful Deck Sword boosted in with nine hundred and one stats

55:32

because I probably heard about this five times

55:34

in this last week since I started talking about the

55:36

O droid. He says, have you guys looked at the

55:40

Zimmer board. I've been tempted to get one instead of raspberry

55:42

pi. I think we've talked about this

55:44

on the show before, Alex. We've had some

55:46

feedback about it. Definitely, it's it's

55:49

one of those boards that just looks

55:51

really cool, but I don't personally

55:54

have a use case for it, so

55:56

I haven't bought one. But, you know, the overview

55:58

becomes SREs, maybe that we

55:59

can we can think about buying one.

56:02

How about that for

56:04

a plug? There you go. I'm I

56:06

am just too skeptical to spend my own hard

56:07

earned money on

56:10

this

56:11

thing like I don't

56:13

know. I think I've been burned too

56:15

many times. It is a Intel quad core

56:17

based system that is

56:20

wrapped inside a

56:22

like, it looks like it's a ruggedized case

56:25

that has a heatsink that's

56:27

built into it. And so it's

56:29

almost something like you can install in a vehicle, which I

56:32

think is one of the reasons why people have

56:34

hit me up so much about it because it looks like

56:36

it's meant to

56:38

be installed. in a vehicle because it's so ruggedized.

56:40

So a company like O droid has a

56:42

track record, but the the Zima

56:44

people, ZIMAI

56:46

don't know anything about them. I don't know if they're gonna be around. It it doesn't seem like

56:48

many people have this. And if this thing isn't

56:50

successful, does the company begin

56:53

an end right here? Like,

56:55

I have so many questions about this device too in terms

56:57

of performance and storage and I

57:00

just I just don't trust it enough to spend my

57:02

own money to try it. I

57:04

agree. It looks perfect for somebody like me,

57:06

and it does have a PCI slot,

57:08

which I

57:10

would love. It's really strange, isn't it? So it's got a PCI

57:12

two point 0X4

57:14

PCI e slot and

57:17

two Sarta ports. and two

57:20

gigabit LAN port. Yeah. It looks really

57:22

good. So it would make a pretty good

57:24

NAS kind of like

57:26

brain. I I agree. It's just that

57:28

the ODRY looks like a complete solution

57:30

that's ready to go. And to this, this just looks

57:32

like it's a Kickstarter, but I know it's not

57:34

what it was. It yeah.

57:36

It was. It was. But it it's it's been

57:38

fulfilled now, I think, which is, you know,

57:40

it's not a guarantee with Kickstarter. Is it? I've

57:42

just been burned so many times to spend a hundred and twenty bucks on

57:44

something like this, but I really

57:46

like the look of it. If

57:49

the o droid wasn't a thing, I

57:51

I may be tempted. It it is close

57:53

to that. But now it's like it it just

57:55

feels silly. I don't I don't need

57:58

it and Yeah. I mean, with the PCIe four

57:59

x slot, you could do quite

58:00

a lot with this thing. He could stick

58:03

extra, you know, couple of

58:05

extra SSDs in there, you could put, I

58:08

don't know, a ten gig ethernet in

58:10

there. I mean, you could do a lot of cool stuff

58:12

with it. It's a bit of a weird form factor as well. It's kinda like got a

58:14

heatsink built into it and then the PCI

58:16

slots hanging off the side and --

58:18

Yeah. --

58:20

like what form factor is this designed for? It's it

58:22

looks a little bit

58:24

odd in that respect, but

58:28

And, Sandy, something I'm keeping an eye on. Alright. I'm gonna try to move fast because

58:30

we got some great ones, but I wanna give

58:32

a mention to MG boosted in a

58:34

row of ducks two hundred and twenty

58:38

two sets. since they've been very happy with LMS and Squeezed

58:40

Light running on pies, so there's just

58:42

some more feedback there. j cube

58:44

sent their

58:46

first this week and they just started the show at episode seventy

58:48

three. That's amazing. Nev

58:50

came in with two thousand four Sats,

58:52

two thousand four is the year of NGINX.

58:55

That's when it was created. Ubuntu's first

58:58

release. I didn't realize those two

59:00

things. Gen two was not for weirdos at

59:02

the time. That was the year

59:04

Nev's car was built and the first

59:06

time they ever saw a terminal emulator

59:08

and they just wanted to

59:10

share. And then Acorn wanted to know

59:12

your favorite

59:14

terminal app They say they like lazy Docker project, h

59:16

top, those types of things. Do you have a

59:18

terminal app that's like one of

59:20

your Go2s? of your go to besides the

59:22

obvious e max? I think it must be

59:24

Hollywood. You know, that kind of

59:26

that kind of one that makes me look like

59:28

a legit hacker in the background of some of

59:30

my live streams, but that's a great

59:32

answer. We gotta put a link to that

59:34

Hollywood Snap. I'll put a note right

59:36

there. Check it out. There's a snap for

59:38

it that makes your computer look like

59:40

it's doing amazing things. That's a great answer.

59:42

Bashtop is also a really great

59:44

one just in terms of just

59:46

visualizations and

59:48

whatnot. and then thumbs comes in with thousand

59:50

sets. Do you guys ever

59:52

have memories of what

59:55

you were listening to at

59:57

a specific place. I just pulled into

59:59

a parking lot. I haven't been to in a

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taken back to the moment. I was listening to

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episode two, with Wendell.

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Thanks for the years of memories and great content.

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I'm a network member, but I thought you

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You know, for me, I can think of AJB

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memory. This was when I was doing my computer science masters back in

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fourteen period. And I was

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listening to you and Mike on Kona talk

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about whatever nonsense it was you were

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talking about at the time. And

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I thought You know what? I actually know a little bit about this stuff. Maybe I should

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Coder, that might have been around

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the time We were

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interviewing the two co founders of Docker before it was

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called Docker. I remember. Yeah. And that

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that is that is an old if somebody can find that in the

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Docker, I forget the name right now. Yeah. Mike

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always remembers. So that's my job is

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just to remember that we did the interview and then he

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Thank you, Alex, because

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I know early this morning,

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when the open SSL patches went out, you got up

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and got the JV infrastructure all updated. So

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thank you for doing that for us. By the

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time this comes out, people know

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about that. Yeah. Well, there this

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morning in open SSL. Only the

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second ever, I think,

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critical marked

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CVE, something to do with

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remote code execution. Actually, it turned out. I

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didn't have to do a whole bunch because I had

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the time I'd logged in, it had already gone and done, the unattended upgrade for

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the security patches. It was just

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an example I suppose of

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good sys adminning. But,

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you know, I went I anyway You it here. You

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heard it here everybody. Alex Rekoban is

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using a Bluetooth systems with

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auto updates. Yeah.

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