With Sam out on a work deadline, Susan’s long-time friend and colleague Andrew Berman stepped in. Andrew also owns the company that sponsors us this month, Spectrum Printing. Andrew and Susan discuss the tail impacts of the government shutdown on small business, how far we have come in the last ten to 20 years in the area of civil discourse. And, we added on a few life hacks and recommendations for books at the end. Enjoy! As always, if you have any feedback, please contact us.