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1:00

Erase. You know what time it is,

1:03

You know what day it is it

1:05

is Chad at Day Bell at trial

1:07

recap day and I'm going to do

1:09

my best guys to not say anything

1:11

about as dumb face and this episode

1:13

I know I almost say it and

1:16

I talk about highlight disintegrate every harrys

1:18

yeah I'm going to just try. To.

1:20

Not say anything, I can guarantee it, but

1:22

I really am going to do my best.

1:25

I like him sitting here recording right now,

1:27

sitting on my hands as though that's going

1:29

to help stop me from saying something per

1:31

hit. Whatever. Now, before we get into this

1:33

episode, I do want to give a blanket

1:36

trigger warning because at some of these details

1:38

that we're going to be discussing are. Extremely.

1:41

Graphic. They are very very difficult

1:43

to hear no matter how familiar

1:45

are familiar you are with the

1:47

case. No matter how many times

1:49

you've heard it, it never never

1:51

gets easier. But this week the

1:53

it Chad Day well trial was

1:55

truly unbelievable. There were points where

1:57

I just was watching with my

1:59

jaw. on the floor, not because of his

2:01

ugly face. Did it, did it, did it? But

2:05

it was just because of what was going on because

2:07

I, like many other

2:09

people, thought that this trial was going to

2:11

be a lot like Lori Valo's trial. And

2:13

while, yes, some of the evidence, it is

2:16

the same, this week it kind

2:18

of just blew the lid off with all

2:20

these new witnesses, new recordings that we've never

2:22

heard before. And jurors were crying

2:24

this week too when they were going through

2:27

the photos of the children's bodies as they

2:29

were excavated out of Chad's backyard. I mean,

2:31

it was a very emotional

2:33

week. They also heard

2:35

the absolute gruesome and heartbreaking

2:37

details of what the investigators discovered

2:39

that fateful day. So all of that

2:41

to say that it was definitely another

2:44

nightmare of a week for Chad to

2:46

say the least. I mean, I have

2:48

a feeling that the prosecution will be

2:50

resting fairly soon, and I fully expect

2:52

a defense to try to throw as

2:54

many curve balls as they can while

2:56

it's their turn. But if

2:58

you remember from the defense's opening

3:00

statement, not only are Chad Daybell's

3:02

kids expected to testify, but a

3:04

DNA analyst who was part of

3:06

the Amanda Knox exoneration team is

3:08

one of the defense's expert witnesses.

3:11

So today we're going to go

3:13

over everything, and we're going to be talking

3:15

with Lindsey again, our courthouse correspondent. She's talking

3:17

to us about everything that's going on this

3:19

week at trial, and we're going to get

3:21

into all of it. Let's

3:24

start with the prosecution because the

3:26

prosecution called FBI special agent Steve

3:28

Daniels to the stand to testify.

3:31

And what he was testifying about was

3:33

how JJ was recovered. He started out

3:35

by describing the process of how he

3:38

peeled back the dirt. They

3:40

first found rocks, wooden planks,

3:42

and then plastic wrapping with

3:44

a body. Then

3:46

he talked about how a small cut

3:48

was made into that plastic and a

3:51

human hair started coming out. And

3:53

he said, quote, that's the point. We

3:55

knew that these are the human remains

3:57

of JJ Valo. And that's the point.

4:00

that this became JJ Vallow's

4:02

burial site. I mean

4:04

a very emotional moment in the courtroom, a

4:07

horrible statement, horrible graphic detail.

4:09

So Lindsay can you go

4:12

over what else he testified

4:14

to? Now he originally

4:16

started testifying Friday when

4:18

he said that they found Tylee's

4:20

Puravita necklace and a charm near

4:22

the fire pit. Going into Monday

4:24

this testimony continued with that. So

4:26

they talked about how they processed

4:28

the fire pit area and how

4:30

they found some bone fragments and

4:32

some organic material and pieces of

4:35

cloth from the fire pit. While

4:37

they were doing that he said

4:39

the smell of human decomposition was

4:41

overpowering. So at that point they

4:43

set up grids to search closer to the

4:45

dog statue by the pet cemetery and the

4:47

fire pit and as they continued

4:49

investigating digging in digging in this they were

4:51

using hand tools at the time but then

4:53

later they used a backhoe and a tractor

4:55

to help dig and

4:57

they found one large bone and then they

5:00

eventually found a second bone and

5:03

agent Daniel said with the size of the bone

5:05

being found I could also smell an odor I

5:07

could associate with human remains decomposing. We knew there

5:09

was something here but we didn't know if there's

5:11

human or animal yet. Next the jury

5:13

was shown a picture of a bunch of bricks

5:15

in the dirt which ended up being Tylee's grave

5:17

site. After that the pictures that

5:19

were shown they no longer showed to the

5:22

public they just showed to the jury but

5:24

since I attended the Lori Valo trial I

5:26

have seen those pictures and unfortunately

5:28

they are forever burned into

5:30

my mind. So the next photo

5:32

he described it he's like you can see the bigger

5:34

bones sticking out of the ground and that

5:37

her remains were melted together in the ground.

5:39

At this point they know okay it's for

5:42

sure human body let's they set up blue

5:44

tarps and they were trying to find any

5:46

possible human remains that were in the ground.

5:48

The next picture was shown and agent

5:51

Daniels testified that he almost didn't even

5:53

know how to describe it but said

5:55

it was a mass of a human

5:57

dismembered and melted And a green bucket.

6:00

What part of a skull? And

6:02

again I see nice. They are horrific.

6:04

I will say some of it it

6:07

doesn't even look anything human at this

6:09

point. it it is it's It was

6:11

really hard to recognize like what you

6:13

were even saying. And. Then he

6:16

says you know it took awhile for us to

6:18

figure out what happened here. What is less he

6:20

said that they try to lift the remains out

6:22

of the ground but they all fell apart so

6:24

when they collect than the had to put them

6:26

all in separate body bags. So next the jury

6:28

was shown pictures of the shared and the entryway

6:30

and some of the tools and charge said he

6:32

said quote. Known. That we're dealing with

6:34

a burial one of the things were interested

6:36

and tools. There were several tools hanging you're

6:38

leaning on the wall miss said including a

6:40

pick axe and several suppose that were seats

6:43

as evidence. Some bricks sound on that side

6:45

of the said we're also seized. The bricks

6:47

are similar to those found on Talese burial

6:49

site. Other items including bush

6:51

clippers, some saws and an axe

6:53

were also sees from the garage.

6:55

Next he went more into Jj.

6:58

And the discovery of his grave site.

7:01

says. In the prosecution sort of pictures

7:03

to the jury public can't see this.

7:05

Ah minister, take your of three huge

7:07

rocks better underneath the dirt where they

7:09

had smoked in his agents and he

7:11

pretty much screamed out that something's wrong.

7:13

they shouldn't be here and we need

7:16

to look into this. Be as guys,

7:18

these rocks are. Almost

7:20

like. I. Don't it? like

7:22

if you think of a rock that people

7:24

put in their yard like a large. Rock.

7:27

I don't know who puts Roxanne yards

7:29

but I don't know why. they keep

7:31

my mind but similar to that, the

7:33

rocks or white after they found the

7:35

rocks Agent Daniel said that this was

7:37

a getting the case in that this

7:39

was a burial due to the precise

7:42

mans Iraq's replaced. He went on to

7:44

say I'd probably excavated about five to

7:46

seven burials. Out of all those burials

7:48

this is the most precise somebody taken

7:50

the most effort to bury these remains.

7:52

You replace planks and rocks to prevent

7:55

while by from finding human remains. If

7:57

they scattered, the human remains a neighbor, some.

8:00

Else could discover them. So grave

8:02

is more hidden so it's interesting

8:04

you have Tiley Shoes remains. I

8:06

can't even say they were Barry.

8:08

I mean. I'll. Say it The

8:11

way Summer Laurie sister said it. They

8:13

were discarded is in the ground like

8:15

trash. Literally. And

8:17

then you have Jj buried in this

8:19

precise way. It almost makes you think,

8:21

okay, we'll Why would they buried so

8:24

differently? Why is totally destroyed? The whole

8:26

thing is so sickening. The Idaho Medical

8:28

Examiner who looked over Jj and Hyleas

8:31

remains also testified and listeners. This was

8:33

absolutely horrific. It was so disgusting to

8:35

hear. Even when you feel like you've

8:38

heard it all, it's still just souls

8:40

you every single time. So Lindsay, what

8:42

can you tell us about that? To

8:45

the medical examiner conducted autopsies on

8:47

tightly and Jj and this day

8:49

was extremely hard for the jurors.

8:52

Somewhere crying, mirrors, tissues being used,

8:54

the no one was sobbing like

8:56

there was and Laurie Vallas trial

8:58

but you could tell this is

9:00

really really affecting some of the

9:02

people on the jury. So he

9:04

talked about Jj and Talese condition

9:06

of their bodies when they arrived

9:08

at the Ada County Coroner's office.

9:10

Ah after they were discovered and

9:12

at this point the jury was

9:15

shown pictures. Of Jj and a

9:17

body bag wearing red pajamas.

9:19

So Jj his entire body

9:21

was wrapped in a large

9:23

black, almost like a tarp

9:25

like material. And

9:27

inside the bag is where Jj

9:30

was. Now inside the bag, he

9:32

was wearing his red pajamas. He

9:34

was also wearing a pull up

9:37

nighttime diaper. His body was decomposed

9:39

and he had to keep her

9:41

out. His hands, his wrists, his

9:44

ankles, Today. Was also found

9:46

with to plastic bags over his

9:48

head and when they took off

9:50

the bags Jj had duct tape

9:53

from his eyes down to his

9:55

neck. Literally it the tape was

9:57

across his entire face like. From

10:00

ear to ear, multiple pieces of

10:02

shape. So once he conducted the

10:05

autopsy on Jj he looked

10:07

into says organs. When ended the

10:09

internal examination obviously nothing was wrong

10:12

and based on his observations. Besides.

10:15

Observations: He said there were some

10:17

bruising around his ankles and. Wrists.

10:20

Which could have been from the duct tape? is

10:22

it? It's not uncommon for things like that to

10:24

happen. But. It would be difficult

10:26

to tell when the bruises came from

10:28

for a fat was just discoloration. He

10:30

also said that it has to leave

10:32

by Jj most likely died. He was

10:34

suffocated, In the tape. Hoover's.

10:37

Me: Over.

10:39

His face and that multiple plastic bags

10:41

put over his head as well as

10:44

a large bag He was. And now

10:46

most disturbingly you talked about. These.

10:49

There. Are a few scratch

10:51

like abrasions around Jj his

10:54

neck and you know. You

10:56

know what that's from Obviously said we

10:59

don't know. It's almost impossible to tell.

11:01

However, because of the location it makes

11:03

it leads us to believe. That

11:09

past. Kylie. And

11:12

fortunately came into the Coroner's office

11:14

in multiple different backs. Each

11:16

bag some had parts of vertebrae,

11:19

organs, tissue, charred bone fragments and

11:21

the green melted bucket were totally

11:23

skull was found because guys it

11:26

was literally like melted together. Now

11:28

they didn't find all of tightly that

11:31

they just spam what they could the

11:33

organs that they found where her lungs

11:35

and her heart's our They were both

11:37

tarred and to physically her heart was

11:40

hard and shrunken. and fortunately

11:42

says they only had those parts from

11:44

tightly and like i said her bones

11:46

were card that her organs they were

11:48

unable to determine that i can only

11:50

imagine i can only imagine the emotion

11:52

that was going on in that courtroom

11:55

during all of this know next we

11:57

heard from melanie boudreau who it now

11:59

goes by Melanie Polowski since

12:01

she's remarried. This is Lori

12:03

Valozanis, who was extremely close with Lori,

12:05

right when all of this was going

12:07

on. She deeply believed in everything

12:10

that Lori and Chad were saying, and she

12:12

was actually supposed to testify at Lori's trial,

12:14

but made several statements that she refused to

12:16

testify. And then when she was called to

12:18

the stand, she said that she had been

12:20

watching the entire trial, so she was excused

12:23

from testifying. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't

12:25

by accident. I think that that was orchestrated,

12:27

but that's just my opinion. And

12:29

this time around, Melanie showed up and she testified.

12:31

So Lindsay, tell us about that, because I feel

12:34

like everybody has been waiting to hear what Melanie

12:36

had to say through all of this, and everybody

12:38

was hoping she would have testified at the last

12:40

trial. But I feel like people were on pins

12:43

and needles waiting for what she had to say.

12:45

So tell us, how did this go down? What

12:47

did Melanie say? Yes. So

12:49

Melanie Boudreau slash Melanie

12:52

Polowski testified, and we've

12:54

never heard from her before. First, she said

12:56

that she talked to Lori and Chad about

12:58

light and dark. She explained what castings were

13:00

and how they used them. And at first

13:02

how they would hold hands and kind of

13:04

chant or almost like praying. She also said

13:07

that she did a casting with Lori for

13:09

Charles. She said that JJ was labeled as

13:11

dark by Chad, and so was Tylee. But

13:13

here's what's interesting. She also said that all

13:15

the information Lori was getting was

13:17

from Chad, and then Lori would convey it to

13:20

her because Chad was the one that had the

13:22

ability to discern between light and dark. So

13:24

if you remember, Lori's apartment was right

13:26

next to Melanie's, but Melanie didn't move

13:28

in there until late October, beginning of

13:31

November. She didn't exactly remember, but she

13:33

did visit Lori in her apartment in

13:35

Rexburg at the end of September. She

13:37

said that JJ and Tylee weren't there.

13:39

She asked Lori, you know, where's Tylee?

13:41

She said that Tylee was with a

13:44

friend at BYU and that

13:46

she hired a nanny to take care

13:48

of JJ. We also know that Tylee

13:50

died on October 19th, and at the

13:52

time Lori was in Hawaii with Melanie.

13:54

What's interesting is she said that Alex

13:56

was supposed to join them, but Lori

13:58

told her Chad needed his help with

14:00

something so she stayed back. She

14:02

talked about the Church of the First Born and how

14:04

Lori and Chad's mission was to start the

14:06

Church of the First Born to help bring

14:09

the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. She

14:11

said that Lori was the person that talked about

14:13

zombies and what it meant to be possessed, but

14:15

she said that Chad was the one that came

14:17

up with all of this. Again, all of this

14:19

is coming from Chad to Lori. Lori's telling Melanie.

14:21

Now remember, she was in the inner circle of

14:24

all this and not only that, but she believed

14:26

a lot of what Lori and Chad were saying

14:28

at the time. And she's been really

14:30

silent since and a lot of people have wondered, you

14:32

know, what all does she know? Did she

14:34

know more? And the prosecution asked

14:37

all of those questions. Yeah, I agree. I was

14:39

wondering if we ever would hear from Melanie, so

14:41

I'm glad that we did. Next,

14:44

her husband Ian testified and this

14:46

is where it gets really crazy

14:48

because we heard recordings that have

14:50

never been made public before. And

14:52

not only that, but Chad Daybell

14:54

speaks on these. So they

14:56

met on a dating app for Mormons and

14:59

almost immediately after, seven days later, Ian asked

15:01

Lori and Chad for their blessing so that

15:03

he could marry Melanie on a Zoom call.

15:05

Now, the reason he did this is because

15:08

he said that at the time when he

15:10

met Melanie, Melanie really booked at Lori and

15:12

Chad like a mother and father figure. Now,

15:14

digging a little bit deeper into that, one

15:17

of Lori and Chad's crazy

15:19

ideas, they believed that in a past

15:21

life, Melanie was one of their children.

15:23

So then Ian gets married and he

15:25

says before they got married, he knew

15:27

some of her beliefs, but not all

15:29

of them. But when they got married,

15:31

in fact, on their wedding night, she

15:34

told him that she was scared that something

15:36

happened to Tylee and JJ. And whatever she

15:38

told him made him really scared

15:40

for his two children that he had with

15:42

his ex-wife. He was also concerned because he

15:44

said that Melanie, again, looked at them like

15:46

a mother and father figures and that she

15:49

was extremely susceptible to everything that they were

15:51

telling her. So after whatever

15:54

was said on their wedding night, which can you imagine

15:56

you get married on your wedding night, you

15:58

find all this out and make you so worried

16:00

for your children and your ex-wife's safety. He

16:03

actually called the police and started secretly

16:05

recording Melanie's phone calls when she would

16:08

talk to Alex, when she would talk

16:10

to Lori and Chad, all of it.

16:12

And he actually started recording on his

16:14

honeymoon at the request of law enforcement

16:16

because he called the FBI was like,

16:19

look, this is something weird. Now these

16:21

recordings are unhinged. You can hear Lori

16:23

saying, here's your daddy. And Chad say

16:25

we're alive. We're

16:31

alive. Melanie was crying, saying she missed

16:33

them. And they said that they were trying

16:35

to step away because things were getting too

16:37

hot in Rexburg. Because remember, at this point,

16:40

they had hit the road after Rexburg police

16:42

came to Lori's apartment the second time looking

16:44

for JJ, they hit the road. Now in

16:46

this call, they talk about the police being

16:48

liars, the police being dark. Lori

16:51

is pissed that Melanie Gibb was cooperating with

16:53

the police. And she says, there will be

16:55

three things coming to her for that. She

16:57

says she lost her place in the group

16:59

that she'll be accountable for her knowledge. And

17:02

that basically her calling the police was stupid. She's

17:04

like, what do you just call the police and

17:06

tell and be a liar, since Melanie Gibb had

17:09

admitted that she lied about having JJ. So Lori

17:11

is kind of just what are you going to

17:13

tell them now after you've lied to them. Then

17:15

there's a recording where Lori and Chad are telling

17:17

Melanie that she needs to leave Rexburg. And this

17:20

is really where you can hear Chad and his

17:22

beliefs start to go nuts. There's

17:25

some No, you need to get out of that.

17:27

No, but just rush out

17:29

of it. I'm not going to leave you

17:31

alone. I could send the network to

17:34

the police and they're going to see

17:36

you as the target since you're the only one that can

17:39

really find this moment for your own

17:41

faith, for your own sanity. Chad says Melanie

17:44

and Ian need to leave Rexburg and they're

17:46

like, wait, what do you mean? Like, we

17:48

just got married. We just moved into our

17:50

place. Like, his kids live close. Like, what

17:52

do you mean? We need to get out. You said this was

17:54

supposed to be the place of safety. And Chad

17:56

says, Yeah, well, I, I've had

17:58

more visions. and there's been a

18:01

lot of turmoil that I've seen. The

18:03

plague is gonna sweep there. Plague is

18:05

gonna sweep there, and I also have

18:08

had visions of civil unrest, chaos, people

18:10

fighting, and starving. And basically

18:12

Chad says, there is bad stuff happening

18:14

before it turns to the City of

18:16

Light. Vin says, that's why we fled.

18:19

Hoo hoo. And we're told to flee.

18:22

Yeah, I was dead

18:24

listening to this, and especially because we've

18:26

heard Chad on that one

18:29

patriarchal blessing, but we haven't really heard him joke

18:31

about, huh, yep, better flee Rexburg. We haven't heard

18:33

any of that. But at this point, they're trying

18:35

to tell Melanie, you need to leave because the

18:38

police are not gonna stop harassing you about where

18:40

Tylee and JJ are since they know that you're

18:42

close to us unless you leave. And

18:44

then Lori jumps in, she's trying to tell Melanie, well,

18:47

look, here's the thing. Like, yes, we said Rexburg was

18:49

gonna be a safe haven for

18:51

when all this stuff went down, but this

18:53

is a quote, Lucifer is able to negotiate

18:55

terms to this day with eternal law, and

18:57

that we had no idea the police in

19:00

Rexburg were infiltrated with such dark people. Then

19:02

Chad chimes in, I hate to say it, but you need to

19:05

get out of that city. And he

19:07

was really gung ho

19:09

about them leaving. So Melanie's grappling with,

19:11

okay, you're telling me I need to

19:13

leave now, can we go to Idaho

19:15

Falls? Where can we go? Which Idaho

19:17

Falls is about 30 minutes away from

19:19

Rexburg. So they're grappling, trying

19:22

to figure out what to do with this information. So

19:24

she then asks, look, can I get a

19:26

blessing from you Chad to her and Ian?

19:29

And Chad, of course, yes. I'm

19:32

a patriarch, I'll give you a blessing. And

19:34

in this recording, Melanie says, oh, I just,

19:36

I feel angels in the

19:38

room again. It feels like the same

19:41

number of angels like we did when

19:43

you gave Zulema and Alex a blessing.

19:45

And then Chad says, quote, the

19:47

savior is very pleased, very, very pleased.

19:49

Chad's acting like right then and there,

19:51

he can see stuff in heaven. And

19:53

then Chad says, quote, we're on the

19:56

right track. I gave you my testimony.

19:58

We are the genesis of the... 144,000.

20:01

The beginning of a new terrestrial order.

20:03

We can use our powers fully and

20:05

continue to cleanse the earth and bless

20:07

it. I promise you a home in

20:09

the new Jerusalem. I

20:11

bless your union and Elvish

20:14

the Savior is standing there with us

20:16

and He is very pleased, very,

20:19

very pleased. Your choices,

20:22

they might not make

20:24

sense to the celestial world, but in

20:26

the terrestrial and celestial world they make

20:29

perfect sense. Four-year valiant

20:31

efforts you will be memorialized

20:34

and they are singing praises in

20:36

heaven. I see a fire

20:39

of thousands. Like they

20:41

make up the phones as they

20:43

go like low on them. I'm

20:45

interpreting it right now and

20:48

just being, singing

20:51

to heaven for what you've

20:53

accomplished. We will be beacons

20:55

of light. We will be pillars of fire.

20:58

He also says that He's going to close

21:00

all dark portals near them and keep

21:02

any dark beings at bay. He's going

21:04

to remove curses and negative weapons or cords

21:07

they have attached to them. Chad

21:09

says, Jesus is with us. We are

21:11

being guided and instructed. Then in another

21:14

recording it's Melanie, Laurie, Chad and they're

21:16

all talking about how Alex died. Melanie's

21:18

upset because her and Alex were close.

21:21

Then he says, quote, seems like such a tragedy.

21:23

I can see that Al, Alex, is

21:26

triumphant and exalted and he's saying over and

21:28

over, I can talk to you so much

21:30

more now. I can't believe the avenues that

21:32

are able to help you, Mel. Help

21:34

with the children. That's my

21:37

next step of my mission. Hello.

22:00

help you all from this time in

22:02

a powerful protective way. Wait,

22:05

because I could not even imagine what

22:07

he's saying. I

22:11

will. He's very... I will. Now,

22:15

at this point, Chad's crying. He's saying,

22:17

fear not while he's crying. Fear

22:20

not. Then,

22:22

Maury jumps in, and she's talking to Melanie, and

22:24

she's saying, we are so grateful for you.

22:26

We can count on you to be valiant, faithful warriors.

22:29

You have great missions, and will see a new Jerusalem

22:32

with all of your children. You will

22:34

go on assignments. I see Melanie

22:36

being in charge of bringing the children back. You

22:39

will have the opportunity to help so many children. And

22:42

then Chad... God... Then

22:44

Chad chimes in, and he says, I endow

22:47

you with power at this time to have

22:49

the strength during this time of sorrow. Alex

22:51

is powerful and glorious at this moment as

22:53

we move swiftly and quickly into this celestial

22:55

world. The Lord is coming

22:57

soon, and we are his warriors, and we are preparing

23:00

to cleanse the world. But

23:02

in an interesting detail, she says, I don't

23:04

want Brandon to know. I want

23:07

him to be in fear for the rest of his life. So

23:10

she's saying she doesn't want Brandon, her

23:12

ex-husband, to know Alex has

23:14

died. Why is

23:16

this important? Because Alex was

23:18

behind the attempted shooting on

23:21

Brandon when Brandon was pulling into his driveway

23:24

and was shot. That was Alex trying

23:26

to kill him. And now you have Melanie saying,

23:28

I don't want Brandon to know. I want him to

23:30

be in fear of him for the rest of his

23:32

life. So is she talking about the shooting? Does she

23:35

have knowledge there? We don't really know. Maybe she

23:37

was just saying, you know, I want him to

23:39

be scared of him for the rest of his life

23:41

as in, he'll be so scared

23:43

of my protector, Alex. I

23:46

don't know. That's not even the craziest part of

23:48

this call. Bory jumps

23:50

in and says Tammy was here

23:52

the other day. Tammy said that

23:54

Rexburg police was ridiculous and that Alex

23:56

will be handling them all now. And

23:59

then they all. start laughing and

24:01

then they continue to talk about Alex's death

24:03

and Lori said listen everything's gonna be different

24:06

but I'll set it up that I have

24:08

Chad and you have Ian so that we

24:10

both have a protector now so yeah don't

24:12

ruin it with Ian and then Ian's like

24:15

oh she's not gonna run me off while

24:18

he's recording this whole thing for the

24:20

FBI but that's another story and

24:23

then Chad gag

24:25

gag gag cringe this

24:27

statement Chad says if you ever need

24:29

to talk to dad here I am

24:31

ha ha ha and

24:34

actually on the stand Ian admitted that he has

24:37

referred to Chad as dad a few times in

24:39

the past just in support of Melanie and how

24:41

she looked to him and

24:43

so we've had horrific details about the

24:46

children the jurors are crying now we're

24:48

getting in Melanie then we hear these

24:50

recorded wacky I

24:52

can't even just wacky recordings

24:54

with these people that sounds

24:57

literally insane Zulema comes okay

24:59

I'm glad you said that because I don't

25:01

know if I just like spaced if I

25:04

blanked but I had no idea that Zulema

25:06

was going to be testifying I guess I

25:08

should have expected it but I don't know

25:10

if I just like having a brain freeze

25:12

or what but when I saw that on

25:14

the TV I was like hold up Zulema

25:16

is testifying now for those of you who

25:18

don't know Zulema was married it to Laurie's

25:20

brother Alex Cox and she was married to

25:22

him at the time of his death like

25:25

Melanie Zulema was also part of

25:27

this like twisted weird culty inner

25:30

circle so much so that at one

25:32

point she actually believed that she had

25:34

the power to control the elements and

25:37

she believed everything that Laurie and Chad

25:39

were saying I mean hook line and

25:41

sinker which is just kind

25:43

of unbelievable to me but we see people

25:46

get brainwashed and kind of like sucked into

25:48

these Colts all the time so Lindsay

25:50

what can you tell us about Zulema's testimony

25:52

what did we hear here what was

25:54

that like so Zulema is

25:57

talking about how she met Laurie how she

25:59

met Chad They were talking

26:01

about gathering the 144,000 and that they

26:03

were the angels as in Lori and

26:05

Chad were the angels she

26:07

said that when she Met Chad

26:09

he gave her a blessing and that

26:12

it was just her Chad and Lori and

26:14

she said that it felt as if Chad was

26:16

Looking into the future telling her how special she

26:18

was all the gifts she had and gave her

26:21

a lot of praise during the blessing She said

26:23

that Chad could read people's past lives and that

26:25

he wanted to do a reading on her and

26:27

gave her a rating of 4.2 light She

26:30

said that Chad brought up that he was a

26:32

heavenly brother of God and Jesus and that he'd

26:34

also been the Holy Ghost in

26:37

a past life Zulima described how someone

26:39

becomes dark and she said that when

26:41

a person passes away There's a

26:43

small amount of time when the body is still

26:45

viable and it can be occupied by a dark

26:47

spirit or demon and that The original spirit went

26:49

into limbo, which is why they had to

26:51

kill the zombies Basically,

26:54

she also talked about how Lori and

26:56

Chad were both talking about things like

26:58

this But Chad was ultimately the

27:01

one that decided who was light and dark

27:03

Zulima was also asked about if he ever

27:05

talked to Chad about being exalted and

27:08

what that is And so when I

27:10

said that exaltation basically means that you've

27:12

become a righteous person Spiritually minded and

27:14

through Jesus Christ, you're exalted meaning you've

27:16

earned a place in the celestial realm

27:18

So basically you're a good person in

27:21

life you go to heaven But

27:23

then she says Chad was teaching it differently Chad

27:26

was teaching it that if you've been

27:28

exalted in a prior life because

27:30

remember they believe in multiple lives That

27:33

in this life you don't have to become

27:35

a righteous person because you've already done that

27:37

and basically that quote There's no need for

27:39

repentance in this world Meaning that it didn't

27:41

really count for you because you've already reached

27:43

that level and she said that Lori said

27:45

this all the time She also said that

27:47

again all of this was coming from Chad

27:49

So it really makes you wonder what the

27:51

hell was going on here You can do

27:53

whatever you want and you don't need to

27:55

worry about it because you were already a

27:57

God in a past life That is what

27:59

he was teaching And at the

28:01

time, Zulema believed this too. She believed

28:03

that she could control the elements, that

28:05

she could control the weather. And Chad

28:07

told her all this. She said she

28:10

also saw Chad's rating system that were

28:12

on his computer. And surprise, surprise, all

28:14

of his children were rated light. And

28:17

two of Lori's children, Tylee and

28:19

JJ, were dark. She

28:21

actually said that all of Chad's family was light

28:23

and that so many people in Lori's family were

28:25

dark. The way that Chad knew this, according

28:28

to Zulema, she said that Chad had

28:30

access to a book of life and

28:32

so that he could use it to

28:34

see someone's life or their past, present,

28:36

or future. But of course, spoiler alert,

28:39

she was never shown the book. Zulema

28:41

also talked about the night of October

28:43

9th. And remember, October

28:46

9th was when Tammy Daybell, when

28:48

the attempted shooting happened. This

28:50

was 10 days before she died. She

28:53

talked about that she was at Melanie

28:55

Boudreau slash Kollowski's house in

28:57

Arizona. Now, all these people are from Arizona,

28:59

Melanie, Lori, Melanie Gibbs, Zulema, they all lived

29:01

in Arizona, so that's why I'm saying Arizona.

29:04

And at the time, Melanie still lived there.

29:06

This is before she moved to Rexburg. So

29:08

she goes over there and they're gonna do

29:10

the casting on Tammy. She

29:13

described how Lori learned about the castings from

29:15

Chad and that she was in communication with

29:17

him the whole time and that the way

29:19

that they would determine if the casting was

29:21

successful or not was basically they had to

29:23

ask Chad. So she says that she was

29:26

told that Tammy was a demon became a

29:28

zombie and that they were gonna do a

29:30

casting. But this time, Lori said that they,

29:32

as in Chad and Lori, had been given

29:34

new information about casting and this time they

29:36

were gonna use the cosmos. Then the prosecution

29:38

asks, did you end up learning that something

29:41

actually happened in Idaho that night? She says

29:43

yes, the attempted shooting. And

29:45

then they say, well, did you hear Lori

29:47

on the phone afterwards? And she says, yes,

29:49

I did hear her on the phone. She

29:51

was extremely irate, angry. I've never seen her

29:53

that upset. She was calling the person names

29:55

Like moron, stupid, idiot, like very,

29:58

very, very angry. After She... A

30:00

nap She said out loud, idiot can't

30:02

do anything by himself So then the

30:04

prosecution ask for the you hear when

30:06

timid eyes On October nineteenth, did she

30:08

talk to worry about death? Someone Sula

30:10

learns at him he actually died. You

30:12

know, on the nineteenth she talks to

30:14

worry about him is S And Laurie

30:16

said that her inch had received new

30:18

info to have been given to them

30:20

by angels that they now knew how

30:22

to do a real casting that would

30:24

be successful and family cash out a

30:26

demon. And that's that's exactly what happened

30:28

to me. She said that Laurie

30:30

talked about how after Tammy funeral chatted and

30:33

of into her apartment how Laurie talks about

30:35

have any to be together to sell their

30:37

missions at that they were eventually gonna be

30:40

together so that when she was around chatting

30:42

mori after they got married they were like

30:44

embarrassingly be around acting like newlyweds could barely

30:46

keep their hands off each other. Neither of

30:49

them seemed sad. the we're very happy and

30:51

gately and dilemma said he was crying to

30:53

me as he was reading it because he

30:55

really really believed it said in the prosecution

30:58

asked about Alex and if Alex. Would do

31:00

which I told him and Zola Mrs.

31:02

yeah he did specially since had asked

31:04

him things in a blessing and said

31:06

that Jesus Christ to do that since

31:08

they started eating October thirty first twenty

31:10

nine teen, they got engaged on November

31:12

seventh. Alice had also printed out the

31:14

Patriarchal blessing that charge gave him and

31:16

he was reading it to Zola and

31:19

Alex believed it in dilemma said he

31:21

was crying to me as he was

31:23

reading it because he really really believed

31:25

that to. Next the prosecution asked about

31:27

how Csis dust and she said that

31:29

for Alex. Died he went to Mexico and

31:31

came back and then he was sick and

31:33

that's when he passed away. That was interesting

31:35

is that the day before his death he

31:37

got a phone call from Glory and Chad

31:39

talking about him me being exams and to

31:42

dilemma she's like this was so weird he

31:44

wondered why they would be examined came me

31:46

why were Lorie and tried calling Alex about

31:48

it. the whole thing seemed off and weird

31:50

to see ass Alex point blank if a

31:52

zoom her body are you going to be

31:54

tied to anything that happened to me and

31:56

he said now but then she says Alex

31:58

his demeanor changed. After the. Uncle and he told

32:01

the one that I think I'm gonna be

32:03

there fall guy and she asked what he

32:05

meant and to explain more but that he

32:07

didn't say anything and the as he was

32:09

walking away he said dilemma I'm either a

32:11

man of God or I'm not. One of

32:13

the last things Dilemma said in her testimony

32:16

was that when child had access to this

32:18

book of life and could see everyone's past

32:20

present future. Chad told Dilemma the and a

32:22

past life She was raped, killed the her

32:24

body had been dismembered and burned. Which.

32:28

You. Have to ask yourself. That's.

32:31

Exactly what happened at highly Of except

32:33

for the raped park we don't know

32:35

anything about.there's been no evidence whatsoever. That

32:38

she was sexually violated in any way and

32:40

I'm certainly not saying that, but that is

32:43

what Zola testified to. It is interesting is

32:45

the prosecution brought that up is a lot

32:47

of the pictures. The way to kiss her

32:49

buried the rocks over Jj, the way that

32:51

title he as the whole area. It

32:54

looks like some type of ritual killing. Now

32:57

we don't know but it was a ritual

32:59

killing. That was just my observation from the

33:01

pictures that I have seen Outlawry trial and

33:03

is literally looks Satanic. It adds I can

33:06

I can describe how how horrific this truly

33:08

was in what these poor kids went through.

33:10

It's horrifying to think about your I am

33:12

so glad you brought that up because we

33:15

also heard details about the tools that were

33:17

recovered from Chad Shared which were analyzed by

33:19

the F B, I and for have the

33:22

tools are you located? What I thought could

33:24

be. Human remains and I collected that

33:26

material. I photographed it and then

33:28

I perform Dna testing on a

33:30

portion of it. What? Were the results

33:32

of that testing? Or the genie

33:35

profiles on this item matched poorly

33:37

run. It is at least

33:39

six hundred and four octillion times

33:41

more likely to see this Dna

33:43

profile. Israeli Ryan is the

33:46

source, then if an unrelated. Randomly

33:48

selected individual from the general

33:51

population is the source. And

33:53

then right after that about him from his

33:55

raccoon tax was introduced into evidence. Well,

33:57

I've an interesting morning I felt or.

34:00

Burn all the limb debris by the fireplace

34:02

before I got to soaked are coming storms.

34:04

While. I did so I spotted a big raccoon

34:06

along the fence. I hurried and got my

34:08

gun. And. He was still walking along. I.

34:11

Got close enough that one shot did the

34:13

trick. Is now in our pet cemetery on

34:15

times. It's mind blowing

34:17

every time I heard as I just

34:19

think itself like what a complete moron

34:21

like what is even what was he

34:23

thinking he was doing that moment when

34:26

he was sending a text messages? Did

34:28

he actually think he was I doing

34:30

something so dejected He actually think that

34:32

he was doing something smart smart and

34:34

then I just think that his like

34:36

again own dumb brain doesn't like him

34:38

telling Laurie that you know he wants

34:40

her to pull him by the storm

34:42

disgusting and as honestly vomit right now

34:44

because yeah if you don't know he

34:46

refers. To his penis as the storm.

34:50

Was it's a soccer specific first hot

34:52

you cringe it's disgusting but hawthorne like

34:54

so pathetic of like I can't help

34:57

a laugh a raise. Any like you

34:59

gotta find the like the moments in

35:01

this weekend if I go roasted as

35:03

creepy cult leader for you for who

35:05

he is I'm interested to see what

35:08

happens next week he'll because I feel

35:10

like every time I think that I

35:12

know where this trial is going or

35:14

what to expect it just like. You

35:17

know, pushes me a flat on my

35:19

ass and I'm floored. And their some

35:21

new details, some new piece of information

35:23

so we'll see what happens next week.

35:25

Thanks again Lindsay for sharing all of

35:27

your expertise and thank you to all

35:29

of you listeners for turning into another

35:31

episode of it. Seriously, and at the

35:33

chat recap If you missed the episode

35:36

that I put out yesterday, we also

35:38

are now adding carrying, read, trail recaps

35:40

into the weekly makes because so many

35:42

have you been following that case. And

35:44

again, I know it's very difficult to

35:46

follow all of these trials as they're

35:48

happening in real time. But the cure

35:50

and read trial I mean. Wow.

35:53

Is a hurdle lot of a reasonable

35:55

doubt in my opinion is so. i

35:58

put the trial we kept up yes You can

36:00

go listen to that if you're not familiar with that

36:02

case I also had linked in the show notes of

36:04

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36:07

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36:09

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36:12

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36:21

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