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at liquidiv.com. Hey

2:19

everybody, welcome back to an

2:21

all new episode of Serialously

2:23

with me, Annie Elise. I

2:25

have a very, very important episode to talk

2:27

with you guys about today, and I have

2:30

a very special guest joining me as well.

2:33

Now, it's no secret that over the past

2:35

few years, we have seen an exponential growth

2:37

in the amount of parents putting their kids

2:39

all over social media. And

2:41

then, in return, they're making money off of

2:43

all of these postings, all of these videos,

2:45

all of this vlogging. Now, initially, it started

2:48

as just families on YouTube, and they were

2:50

vlogging their daily lives and doing things a little

2:52

bit more casual, a little bit more innocent, you

2:54

could say, but then,

2:56

over time, it's now kind of

2:58

shifted to where kids are being

3:01

shown on nearly every single app

3:03

all for monetization, whether it be

3:05

YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, I mean,

3:07

the list goes on and on.

3:10

So what started out as looking relatively innocent,

3:12

and sometimes it still does look to be

3:14

that way to the average viewer, but a

3:16

lot of the times it's now quickly shifted

3:19

into something much darker. Kids

3:21

are making a sickening amount of

3:23

money, I might add as well,

3:25

by showing their kids, showing their

3:27

daily lives, their most personal moments,

3:29

their most private moments, and in

3:32

addition to that, they're getting ad

3:34

deals, they're getting brand deals, and

3:36

I'm talking vulnerable moments, guys, where

3:38

they're showing their kids having full-on

3:40

meltdowns, families having very tough, very

3:42

personal conversations, they're even showing their

3:44

young daughters starting their periods or

3:46

going bra shopping for the first

3:48

time. I mean, definitely content that does

3:51

not need to be out there for

3:53

public consumption. On Top of

3:55

that, there is an alarming amount of

3:57

pedophiles that are now being drawn in.

4:00

In this type of content and there

4:02

are children who are just continually being

4:04

exploited on a daily basis. And

4:07

when I say that guys, there's probably one

4:09

situation that comes to mind if you're on

4:11

to talk and it is the jacqueline and

4:13

of land. Case. And I

4:15

say Case Ball, I should say situation and

4:17

we're going to be talking about that A

4:19

as well today in detail. Now, if you're

4:21

unfamiliar with these two people, that's okay, I'm

4:23

going to give you the breakdown. I'm going

4:26

to give you a quick little backstory. So

4:28

Jacqueline is a mom have a daughter named

4:30

Ran who is now for years old. Jacqueline

4:32

began first posting videos of Ran on to

4:34

Talk When she was just a few months

4:36

old, it was dark and twenty nineteen. Maybe

4:38

even twenty twenties. And before Ran was even

4:41

two years old, there to talk account had

4:43

reached one million followers. Now. May have

4:45

over seventeen million Now At first it

4:47

seemed like it was super innocent. It

4:49

was to videos of the baby than

4:52

they would have videos of you know,

4:54

mom for his grandma, outlets that they

4:56

would jet dress around and things like

4:59

that. But over the past four years

5:01

this content has taken a very drastic

5:03

turn. These days Jacqueline is often posting

5:05

videos of Ran were ran, his opening

5:08

her mouth, she's eating and drinking. She's

5:10

putting things in her mouth that are

5:12

shaped like a penis. Different. Food objects

5:15

like street corn, hot dogs, things

5:17

like that. She's also being put

5:19

in positions that certainly could be

5:21

seen as sexual in my opinion

5:23

and even going as far as

5:26

ran at sometimes saying things that

5:28

could be considered subtly sexual or

5:30

even outright sexual. And all of

5:32

this content that has been put

5:35

out is orchestrated by her mom,

5:37

Jacqueline. Now, the comments in these

5:39

videos when her comments are left

5:41

on are full of people either,

5:43

making. Sexual and creepy comments or

5:45

people saying get your daughter the

5:47

heck off line. This is inappropriate

5:49

and it almost feels as though

5:51

with the public is more concerned

5:53

with the safety of run than

5:55

her own mother. Now the amount

5:57

of people who are saving me.

6:00

Videos of Run as well. It

6:02

is truly insane. It is thousand

6:04

hundreds of thousands of people. I

6:06

mean, it is truly crazy and

6:08

guys in my opinion, Ran might

6:10

be the most sexually exploited child

6:13

online that there is right now.

6:15

So I guess today is Doctor

6:17

Leslie Dobson. No Doctor Leslie As

6:19

a clinical and forensic psychologist with

6:21

over twenty years of experience. She's

6:23

worked in jails, she's worked in

6:26

hospitals, and she has worked with

6:28

some of the worst violent predators.

6:30

Violent Offenders. She has worked with serial

6:32

killers, serial rapists, cannibals, necrophilia I mean,

6:34

you name it now. Not only is

6:36

she a psychologist, but she's also a

6:39

speaker and an author. She even has

6:41

a Ted talk coming up that she

6:43

was sharing with me. She is like

6:45

the expert in all things, especially when

6:47

it comes to pedophiles and children at

6:49

Content online. So when I decided I

6:51

wanted to do this episode and at

6:53

Talk About the Ran and Jacqueline situation

6:56

at Talk About All of This. So

6:58

I wanted to bring in Doctor Leslie.

7:00

To share her insides. She has worked

7:02

so closely with numerous pedophiles numerous way

7:04

this to she's really shed some light

7:07

on. What? Are these perverts

7:09

these predators doing with this material? How

7:11

dangerous is it? Okay, so thank you

7:13

so much for joining us! Onto the

7:15

show Doctor Leslie I need to jump

7:17

right into this because I have a

7:20

burning question for you working with all

7:22

of these pedophiles. Can you walk us

7:24

through? What was that like day to

7:26

day Or what are some of these

7:28

more. Crazy. Things he saw you

7:30

witness to where it really will illustrate to

7:33

people how dangerous these people are and that

7:35

by putting this material on a silver platter

7:37

in their hands what that could end up

7:39

being and resulting in. I

7:41

think a great example is Coalinga

7:44

State Hospital. It is a hospital

7:46

were sexually violent predators are who

7:48

are deemed. They've. done their prison

7:50

sentence or not but either way they're deemed

7:52

to look too dangerous returned to society and

7:54

they're given civil commitments in the hospital for

7:57

the rest of the once and so you've

7:59

got it Every kind of sexual

8:01

predator you can imagine, necrophilia, we've got

8:03

cannibalism, we have people

8:07

who are really into pee and poo. There's

8:09

a lot, I can go on and on. When

8:13

I would walk in there, because they were

8:15

patients with mental health issues,

8:17

even though they were locked up, they

8:19

had freedom, they could walk around. And

8:22

I would walk in there and they would see me

8:24

coming and they would line the hallways and

8:27

they would clap. What? Just

8:29

to fuck with me. Really? And

8:31

I would walk and they would

8:33

just, eyes on, staring at every

8:35

inch of my body, making comments

8:38

about everything. And I would

8:40

have to go eventually get to some kind of a

8:42

room and evaluate someone. But the

8:44

torment that they wanted to put

8:47

on other people was

8:49

horrific. And it was so psychologically

8:51

savvy, what they were doing. So

8:53

I used to work in a

8:56

lot of secure facilities. And in

8:58

one facility in particular, there were

9:00

individuals who were diagnosed with pedophilia.

9:03

And we did not allow them to

9:05

have pornographic materials. We did

9:07

not allow them to have magazines.

9:10

If they had something like a real estate

9:13

magazine or a newspaper, they had to read

9:15

it in the day room, which is the

9:17

main room with staff to them. But

9:19

oftentimes, because there are thousands of

9:22

patients or inmates and not as

9:24

many staff members, they would

9:26

sneak these newspapers into their rooms

9:28

and they would cut out the

9:31

images of the children. So even if

9:33

it was an advertisement for a child

9:35

in a bathing suit or fully dressed,

9:37

they would cut out these images. And

9:40

I frequently would walk by their rooms because

9:42

I was walking around checking on them, getting

9:44

them for appointments. And I

9:46

would hear them masturbating. And I

9:49

would hear them making little noises. Like

9:52

there were little children in the room

9:54

and multiple little children, voices, boys and

9:57

girls. And a few times I would

9:59

go. in and staff would have to deal

10:01

with this a lot too. So this was a

10:03

frequent thing for the pedophiles that

10:06

were not engaging in treatment. They

10:09

would cut out the images of these children

10:11

and they would rub them on

10:13

their erect penises, pretending that they were

10:16

the voices of the children.

10:18

So pretending the children were actually

10:20

the images and that they were

10:22

there pleasuring the person. The

10:25

best thing that we could do as

10:27

staff was we were nonreactive. We would

10:30

enter the room, we would prevent them

10:32

from orgasming if we could. We had

10:34

no facial expressions. We would explain to

10:36

them their consequences and we would take

10:39

away the materials that they had hidden.

10:41

And then usually their rooms would go

10:43

under a full shakedown and they would

10:45

be searched in and out to prevent

10:48

any materials from remaining. But

10:50

it's interesting because you say they're also childlike

10:52

and kind. So is it like there's a

10:54

big spectrum of what they where they would

10:56

be at? Because you also said pedophiles are

10:59

who you would want in your corner in

11:01

altercation. Has that ever happened? Yeah.

11:04

Oh, many times. Really? That. And

11:06

just to answer your question, yeah, there's a

11:08

huge spectrum. I mean, these hospitals hold

11:11

every kind of offender and some of the

11:13

most brutal rapists I've ever met in my

11:15

life as well, adult to adult. But...

11:21

Oh, I've been in so many situations. So

11:23

we would wear alarms on our hips and

11:25

I don't know how every place works, but

11:27

if you felt threatened, you'd pop the alarm

11:29

and it would put your name on everyone

11:31

else's alarms. And then on the speaker, it

11:33

would say, you know, Dobson emergency room nine

11:35

or whatever. And at that

11:38

point in those settings, everybody is all hands

11:40

on deck. It doesn't matter if you have

11:42

training, if you're a custody officer,

11:44

police, if you're a

11:47

young white woman who doesn't know what the hell she's

11:49

doing to the offender. You

11:51

go. And so many times

11:53

it was either me pulling the alarm

11:55

and I was about to be assaulted

11:57

or I was responding to an assault.

12:00

could just try and do whatever

12:02

I could do to stop someone

12:04

getting beaten up, to stop someone

12:06

getting raped, to stop someone from

12:08

finishing hanging themselves. Oh my

12:10

gosh. How often would you have

12:12

to pop your alarm? I

12:15

used my alarm probably a couple times a week.

12:17

Oh my gosh. But it was three

12:19

or four times a day that alarms would go off

12:21

in general on a quiet day. I would

12:24

imagine your husband did not love this. My

12:26

husband worked with me. Oh he did? He

12:28

did. What did your husband do? He's

12:30

a forensic psychologist. Wow. And

12:33

we had different names because there

12:35

was also a problem in the

12:37

hospital, prison hospital, where

12:40

somebody had fallen in love with a woman

12:42

and wanted to kill her husband who also

12:44

worked there. Oh wow. So

12:47

we went many many years without anyone there even

12:49

knowing we were together. Oh my gosh. I

12:52

could only imagine like the dinner table

12:55

conversations that go on between the two

12:57

of you. We also have

12:59

to find humor in this horror. Yeah, you have

13:01

to. And then we would surround ourselves with

13:03

people who also had that dark humor. And

13:06

it did help us process the

13:09

trauma of it. Like a fireman or

13:11

a police officer. You know they

13:13

have to honor the scene they went to and the

13:15

loss they saw. But then they get back in the

13:17

truck and they make fun of each other. They

13:19

get back to the station and they're cooking and they're

13:22

hanging out and they're becoming human again. Yeah.

13:25

And so I had to do that too. Of

13:27

course you can't stay in the dark the entire

13:29

time. It would drive anybody crazy. We

13:32

had a new officer and he was trying

13:34

to pepper spray a patient and he didn't

13:36

hold it well and the patient just took

13:39

it and sprayed the officer. And

13:41

at dinner we were just laughing as horrifying

13:43

as that was. We were laughing saying oh

13:45

my gosh like we were so close to

13:47

getting sprayed in our faces too. Like

13:50

clearly he needs more training. Yeah. But

13:52

you have to bring some kind of a lightness or

13:54

else we can't maintain our job. Absolutely.

13:57

You have pedophiles that you did work with in the

13:59

hospital. you had mentioned earlier, what they would

14:01

use the materials for when they would have

14:03

newspaper club things. And I just want to

14:05

circle back to that a little bit because

14:08

I think it's so important when you think

14:10

through, even if it's not Ren and Jacqueline,

14:12

if it's somebody who's innocent just posting a

14:14

photo of their child at a dance recital

14:16

with the leg kick up, she's in a

14:18

leotard full face of makeup, what

14:20

are these pedophiles and predators doing with material

14:22

like that when they see it or get

14:24

access to it? Well, I think first they're

14:27

keeping it in some way. Obviously,

14:29

they're keeping it in their mind, but they're

14:32

trying to keep it so that

14:34

when they have, they

14:36

build up a masturbatory stimulation and then

14:38

they look forward to the moment that

14:40

they can watch that image and masturbate.

14:43

And then it starts to build, they start to fantasize

14:47

about a relationship with the image. What's

14:49

she like? What would we do if

14:52

we went out? What would

14:54

our relationship be? Could I teach her how

14:56

to have healthy sex because she's so young,

14:59

someone's going to need to teach her? What

15:02

would that be like? That is

15:04

horrifying as a parent. That

15:06

is like my worst nightmare.

15:08

Wow. And that's why I talked

15:11

to my daughter constantly about body

15:14

parts that no one can touch. And even

15:16

yesterday she said somebody pushed her

15:18

and I said, where'd they push you? And she said,

15:21

and I said, well, how does that make you

15:23

feel? And she was like, it felt like a

15:25

body part someone shouldn't touch. It was a different

15:27

person if they like pushed me in the arm.

15:29

And I said, then you need to tell your

15:31

teacher and you need to tell that person in

15:34

your strong voice, you do not touch my stomach.

15:36

Yeah. And we practiced and she did it. And

15:38

she was really proud of herself. Yeah. So instilling

15:40

that voice in our children at a young age

15:42

to protect them is so important. So

15:45

as I mentioned, I want to get started

15:47

with one of the biggest topics out there

15:49

right now. It's Ren Elinor and her mom,

15:51

Jacqueline. Now, as I said, many people have

15:53

brought this stuff to Jacqueline's attention saying, take

15:55

your daughter offline. This is could get in

15:58

the wrong hands. This material is sexually. suggestive.

16:01

But instead of taking her content down, Jacqueline

16:04

will just often turn off the comments

16:06

and she will double down and say

16:08

posting Ren isn't a bad thing. Regardless

16:10

of all of these people, these thousands

16:12

of people discussing it, trying to warn

16:14

her, warn her of these possible pedophiles

16:16

who are seeing this content using this

16:18

content. And if you do comment saying

16:20

something like I did back, I first

16:22

commented in 2020 on a video of

16:24

Ren holding with both hands this footlong

16:26

hot dog and eating it and I

16:28

said look, not to be a Karen,

16:30

but if this video gets in the wrong

16:32

hands, I mean your child is being exploited

16:35

and there's a lot of thick

16:37

freaks out on the internet. I was immediately blocked.

16:39

And then when another video came out, which I'll

16:41

discuss in a minute, I once again commented and

16:43

I said look, even if it's only 1% of

16:45

males who are saving this video,

16:48

that's 1% too many. It shouldn't be

16:51

any males saving this video and once

16:53

again got blocked. So anytime somebody comments

16:55

that they disagree with her, she wipes

16:57

the comment section clean and

16:59

she just double downs and doesn't

17:02

seem to even care that possible pedophiles are

17:04

using her content for their own disgusting

17:06

gratification. So let me describe some of

17:08

these videos for you and then we're

17:11

going to have Dr. Leslie weigh in.

17:13

So here's an example of one. In

17:15

a video back on June 21st, 2021,

17:19

Ren was gnawing on some street corn, very

17:21

long in the shape of a penis. And

17:24

she then starts to put this enormous

17:26

footlong hot dog in her open mouth.

17:28

Now again, yes, it could be perceived

17:31

as innocent, but it also doesn't take

17:33

a rocket scientist to note the symbolism

17:35

here. She has two hands

17:37

around this, these items

17:39

of food that look very similar to

17:41

a male organ and then eating them.

17:43

And there's multiple videos like this where

17:45

their title is what my four-year-old ate

17:48

at the fair today, what my four-year-old

17:50

is eating today. And it's a giant

17:52

spicy pickle. It's all things in these

17:54

shapes. And it's my opinion that she

17:56

uses these foods intentionally, that these are

17:58

the ones she chooses. Because she

18:00

knows that it's going to get her the

18:02

most views on her TikTok There's another video

18:05

comparing Jacqueline's choice of a Christmas outfit for

18:07

Ren With an outfit that

18:09

Ren's grandma chose which again sure could be

18:11

innocent enough We know that moms sometimes wanted

18:13

to dress their kids more trendy more modern

18:15

and where grandma's pick You know the cheesiest

18:18

shirt they can find with like the big

18:20

super huge baseball or whatever it is But

18:23

Jacqueline's choice in all this it

18:25

almost looks like a slutty Santa

18:27

type costume Where it made Ren

18:30

look older more suggestive more Showing

18:33

her skin and her body and it

18:35

seems as time has gone on guys

18:37

that the content just keeps escalating She

18:40

keeps pushing the boundaries. So not

18:42

only she wipe in the comments clean

18:44

and doubling down But she's taking

18:46

it further and further because in a

18:49

video from March 2nd about swallowing gum

18:51

This video has over 20 million

18:53

views Jacqueline captioned the video never swallow

18:55

your gum It will be stuck

18:57

in your stomach for seven years Then

19:01

in the video it shows Ren. It's

19:03

about a five-second video It's not long

19:05

But Ren appears to swallow her gum

19:07

and then she looks directly at the

19:09

camera and she says in a very

19:11

scared frantic way Oops, I

19:14

swallowed it. Is that okay? It

19:16

is truly horrifying because Ren looks

19:19

distressed and she looks legitimately scared

19:21

now Listen to this if

19:23

you're listening to the audio version But I also

19:25

will put the video with Ren's face blurred on

19:27

YouTube so you can see what I'm talking about

19:34

Now not only does this entire

19:36

video give me pause and make me absolutely

19:38

sick to my stomach because like you know

19:40

what you're Inferring with this video, but

19:42

also we don't know that Ren actually swallowed gum,

19:45

which doesn't matter at all But how

19:47

many tapes was it to get this video and

19:49

also did Jacqueline direct Ren to be like I

19:51

want you to look into stress I want you

19:53

to pretend you're swallowing and then say oops I

19:56

swallowed it and look frantic and look like you

19:58

got caught doing something bad. It.

20:00

Was so carefully orchestrated because there

20:02

is not a. You

20:04

couldn't pay me a million dollars right now

20:07

to believe that ran Just Hat or that

20:09

Jacqueline just happened to have her phone recording

20:11

and that she was just like, oh, at

20:14

this exact moment she swallowed her guns at

20:16

oops, Is that okay? Did I do something

20:18

wrong? Or at what you know what it

20:20

is exactly says I swallowed it. Is that

20:23

okay? You campaign a million dollars to believe

20:25

that That was perfectly timed and coincidental. It

20:27

was orchestrated in my opinion, which just makes

20:30

it even sicker. Now in other videos she

20:32

wants again. I search, taking it a step.

20:34

Further, she starts saying that personal

20:36

space is nonexistent and when you

20:39

have a toddler and she shows

20:41

Ran putting on lotion, putting on

20:43

makeup, trying to lift up her

20:46

shirt to put deodorant on, pretending

20:48

to shave her genitals with a

20:50

razor, and also acting like she's

20:52

trying to insert a tampon. Her

20:55

four year old daughter now she's close

20:57

to during all of these videos, but

20:59

still. Why? Are you even showing

21:01

any of that stuff? And it is your

21:03

four year old daughter. Again, To

21:06

truly to all of this just overtime

21:08

is kind of a building and building

21:10

and building. And it his created a

21:13

massive uproar. On to talk, as I'm

21:15

sure you can imagine. So the tip

21:17

talkers are absolutely pissed and there are

21:20

hundreds and hundreds, even thousands. I think

21:22

of reaction videos videos tagging Jacqueline telling

21:24

her how disgusting her behavior is and

21:26

really begging her to stop, and one

21:29

girl on to talk gave examples of

21:31

exactly what I'm and doing was wrong

21:33

and cool cause he knows. That it's

21:36

wrong. For example of how Jacqueline will

21:38

specifically choose suggestive some nails for these

21:40

videos like some meals were runs. Legs

21:42

are wide open and that's the cover

21:44

photo because it's enticing people. the click

21:46

into the video and watch the full

21:49

video. This is Red and this is

21:51

her mom. Jacqueline. Like a hockey mom and

21:53

daughter, you will. They're not every davies to

21:55

wake up sees. excited because she gets to

21:57

do a fun activity with mommy and season

22:00

at her daughter thinking, hmm, what can I

22:02

do with her to please them today? Don't

22:04

believe me? Well here's a list of 11

22:06

things proving that this mom knows exactly what

22:08

she's doing. Number one is she handpicks the

22:11

thumbnails. She finds the most inappropriate, suggestible moment

22:13

in the video and makes that the thumbnail.

22:15

You're probably thinking, Jess, why would she handpick

22:17

these inappropriate thumbnails? How could a mom do

22:19

this to her own kid? To attract p-words?

22:22

Yeah, she wants to attract p-words because they

22:24

make her money. Number two, strange men are

22:26

commenting inappropriate things on all of her videos

22:28

and she's seen the comments. The

22:30

mother, the mother has seen the comments and

22:32

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the Icy. Or right? So

25:22

let's get back to where we were. No.

25:26

In response to all of this criticism,

25:28

if you're not getting blocked, muted, whatever

25:30

it may be, Jacqueline had decided to

25:32

make an apology video which I have

25:34

to say didn't land. It was not

25:36

an apology that he out. So in

25:38

the video she says that she has

25:40

taken all of these remarks about her

25:42

daughter very seriously and that she would

25:44

never do anything to harm her. She

25:46

even in this video claims that she

25:48

spoke with the F B I directly

25:50

and that she verified that there are

25:52

any images of her daughter on any

25:54

inappropriate sites. Take a listen. the past

25:56

few months have been incredibly distances and

25:58

i've learned a lot This

26:00

data is a hobby to make a digital framework

26:02

for my daughter, then, grew into

26:04

an interesting role for me as a single

26:07

state-at-home mom. That is my

26:09

number one priority, and her upgrading safety

26:11

on my top job 24 hours a

26:13

day. This account has allowed me to

26:16

provide for my daughter and to

26:18

set aside money for her future. Unless

26:20

your health is conspiracy through that story and

26:23

spiral that is in full, what

26:25

you need to know is that no

26:27

one person agencies I conferred with, including

26:29

the FBI, has had any proof that

26:31

my gender success appeared on inappropriate

26:34

websites. These are major 100% false. If

26:38

anyone has real, tangible proof, please

26:41

contact me immediately. An email

26:43

appears with a message from personal. It

26:46

is true we need a happy, healthy world.

26:50

The videos we filmed here are from my account in

26:52

federal laws week, off on the 900. I

26:55

look like analytics show that my

26:57

followers are 76-8% female, plus

26:59

more than 13 million females, including

27:01

lots of moms. And those thank you

27:03

for watching, and for your interest in my

27:05

family. What baffles me

27:08

is that rumors brothers expressed such

27:10

passionate concern for my daughters, who

27:12

at law enforcement had found zero real

27:14

proof about these untrue allegations. Creating

27:17

videos talking about scurrilous rumors and my

27:19

serial daughter appears on porn sites is

27:21

improved. Retaining false

27:23

information over and over will never

27:25

convey the fact. Being so

27:28

is wrongfully clearing my daughter's name

27:30

and unjustly damaging my reputation. I'm

27:54

not sure if I did a video on that, but I will be doing some sick

27:56

and twisted things with it. He

28:01

didn't video the material. And

28:03

one percent had reached out to somebody

28:05

else saying that they would pay them

28:07

if they recreated Runs a little voice

28:09

and said it sir and messages back

28:12

to him. And not going to say

28:14

with those messages are, but I'm sure

28:16

that you can imagine the. Speaking about

28:18

Ran and about Jacqueline, we know that

28:20

she started the account when Run was

28:22

first born. Back and twenty Nineteen Twenty

28:24

Twenty. and then it's just continuously has

28:26

gotten more sexually explicit. the most latest

28:28

one being the Gama and then at

28:30

the And. Street Corn Corn dogs

28:32

in the mouth. All of these things that

28:34

you had mentioned that she had sent you

28:37

an email. Now do you mind just sharing

28:39

what that email said? Allen Us: What? we

28:41

don't have a came from Jacqueline Now let's

28:43

have a We don't have a came from

28:45

Jacqueline or her camp or why. But if

28:47

along email. Okay, but

28:49

basically what it goes

28:51

through is that statistically

28:54

I'm wrong and that.

28:56

Eighty percent of the comments are

28:59

not men. that maybe sixty thousand

29:01

or so are saved and commented

29:03

on adult man who also followed

29:06

children accounts So. I

29:08

think that's wrong. I I did

29:10

a deep dive into it and

29:12

I do think there are a

29:14

lot more male accounts of that.

29:16

What she does say is that

29:18

eating is not sexual unless you

29:20

want it to be. It doesn't

29:22

matter what somebody posts. if you

29:24

want to find something wrong, you

29:26

can twisted into something sexual and

29:28

then continues to say that. Same.

29:31

Has gone to my head. I should

29:33

be a nice person. I am probably

29:35

a very nice person and I'm leading

29:37

to direct threat to this child by

29:40

calling out this account and they're praying

29:42

for me. So I guess my question

29:44

was that is. What to say

29:46

That was true? Let's give Jacqueline or

29:49

who can for whoever of the rather

29:51

than for that of the doubt. Let's

29:53

say it's true. Why would her child

29:55

be threatened? Because you're trying to expose

29:57

the what she's putting her throat? If

29:59

anything, I think the threat to

30:01

be aimed towards Jacqueline for doing the exposing

30:03

which would then in turn show that the

30:05

behavior is not normal and that she shouldn't

30:07

be doing that. Plus against not calling the

30:10

F B I am I getting this information

30:12

and realizing that she's on endangered. If

30:15

I it didn't make sons

30:17

and then it seems varied,

30:19

disordered and it gives me

30:21

insight into how they may

30:23

be perceiving the accounts and

30:25

how they may be justifying

30:27

it may be beyond. Any

30:30

kind of reality? Isn't there Something like we

30:32

can all ass or something. something up here

30:34

we don't know and don't want them gone

30:37

on. What do you think it is? Why

30:39

do you think she won't? She crossed? You

30:41

think it's solely the money. My assumption would

30:43

be it solely the money. I know people

30:46

have come out and said that she has

30:48

a son who she never yet she never

30:50

puts up. I don't

30:52

know what he looked flag and I'm pretty

30:55

fishy present census, yeah, as he ran a

30:57

little girl is definitely going to be I.

30:59

To get more of a following him. says.

31:02

You know when see those videos on our on? She

31:04

isn't. Legal following: Arla Save. How

31:06

does that answer one do. I haven't seen a

31:08

yes I've it's in the very well and a

31:11

run wasn't in a list is what she's I

31:13

for her Easter basket yes in. The comments were

31:15

largely in a nice try and. Get.

31:18

Assigned to show it's not all about floating. My

31:20

daughter I do a little bit of everything since

31:22

I'm sure she has a pr team that strain

31:24

a clean it up now as everybody not just

31:26

certain ones profiting off the money in some way

31:28

of one's working for her and the content. But

31:32

it's bad idea. It needs to.

31:34

Come down, I know, and if we

31:36

can't. Is. Tic Toc won't

31:38

change or Instagram won't change than we

31:41

have to continue to report the accounts

31:43

and continue to supporting them. I will

31:45

soon be some other cases that I've

31:47

had when it reaches this level of

31:49

notoriety. There are a lot of eyes

31:51

on scene so we've got private investigators

31:54

we probably at lawyers that are paying

31:56

to just observe their thinks he's They

31:58

get the pick up, the. There. Are

32:01

and then I would assume their government

32:03

agencies lake Child Protective Services that locals

32:05

and neighbors and people. Around the country

32:07

have probably call them him. And called

32:09

in and then of course you

32:12

have mandated reporters so you've got

32:14

him. doctors, teachers, all these people

32:16

who are made aware of this

32:18

content and their obligation as also

32:21

didn't make a reporter it because

32:23

there is a police as justifiable

32:25

harm to a child isn't a

32:28

reasonable belief. So we have to

32:30

know. I grew the i think.

32:33

Sometimes the internet can go wild and

32:35

they think that they're investigators and I

32:37

would imagine they're probably has been a

32:39

lot of calls the have on our

32:41

to Cps by at the streets but

32:44

legally Cps can do is a they

32:46

can't for her posting these sexually explicit

32:48

or not even explicit but suggested videos

32:50

they can't do anything so. Do.

32:53

You think is your opinion that either

32:55

one day so he does and ladies

32:58

will change her mind or that it's

33:00

gonna maybe take some things going to

33:02

have to happen and it's gonna be

33:05

shut down Because legally not doing anything.

33:07

I mean legally it could fall under

33:09

child exploitation. Okay and it may take

33:12

a lawyer to really navigate.because under child

33:14

exploitation that some of the images on

33:16

these accounts the Not Just Runs account

33:19

spits it out. Below

33:21

the saving and the tampon were in

33:23

the open legs could be seen as

33:25

child exploitation and if the laws in

33:27

the bills so to change and they're

33:29

still providing the Vince the video and

33:31

images than we could go down that

33:33

avenue and but also the potential psychological

33:36

harm to the child is something that

33:38

they could like that but it is

33:40

going to take somebody it sophisticated in

33:42

that area in which she lives and

33:44

to really start to devote themselves to

33:46

the case is it seems like that

33:48

be a very difficult case and like.

33:50

A steep hill to climb and images

33:52

be a local Podcasts are? I mean

33:55

that's how we salsas tell police aimless

33:57

Islam? Yes Yeah so I have a

33:59

question to with. That you had

34:01

mentioned that to I regard. We

34:03

were talking earlier about the videos

34:05

about her using the tampon pretending

34:08

to shave her vagina area all

34:10

on camera for pedophiles? What goes

34:12

on psychologically in their head from

34:14

your experience, because clearly there. In

34:17

Transcendence Actually, with a little girl or

34:19

a little boy, Somebody yards. But when.

34:22

People. Have them portrayed as more like

34:24

a don't like whether it's the slutty

34:27

Santa costume or shaving are using a

34:29

tampon. How does that give pedophiles gratification

34:31

Or does it? Because now they're doing

34:33

more adult things or they're looking more

34:35

adult even like the toddlers and tiaras

34:37

little girls us before the near as

34:40

an or whatever it is. do they

34:42

still get the same stimulation from things

34:44

like that? Yes, I

34:46

I. I think we need to remember

34:48

that a pedophile and me at even

34:51

if it's a youth sexual predator is

34:53

soon adults. Though it's an adults who

34:55

has an emotional and psychological. Me:

34:58

Delusional relationship to the channels.

35:01

But. They have an adult sex

35:03

drugs and test so. They

35:05

may be looking at these little girls

35:07

thinking they're very date of all week

35:10

of release we can of conversation only

35:12

know we could really hang out because

35:14

we're I may be there at that

35:16

cognitive psychological I Q level but they

35:18

still have it to us around and

35:20

a her. Erect meal penises

35:22

and they want to use that

35:25

says and if you have a

35:27

little girl during adult things that

35:29

are sexualized than it just welcomes

35:31

the it. The. Sexual

35:33

nature into the. Emotional,

35:36

psychological relationship they built up in their

35:38

head with who they think is an

35:40

equal to them. That's interesting, so it's

35:42

almost as though it's solidifying that this

35:44

person is more of an equal and

35:46

appear to them on their level yet,

35:49

and that it's more acceptable. Almost, Yes,

35:51

Wow. I what my mind

35:53

wouldn't have even gone there and that

35:55

totally makes sense. It's very disturbing and

35:57

we don't with have vote A yeah.

36:00

The I mean I would think they're just

36:02

for a lay person like myself are other

36:04

people? You think else a pedophile somebody his

36:06

interested in little girl? their little boys. They

36:08

probably are interested once they reach a certain

36:10

age, they need to look very innocent. They

36:12

need to look very useful, but that really

36:15

isn't the case. Know a lot of research

36:17

shows that they are psychologically and emotionally at

36:19

the level of the interests of the sexual.

36:21

Interests me so. They're

36:24

very. They're very me, almost

36:26

the pedophiles I've worked with.

36:29

or they're very kind. Ah,

36:31

the. They. Are who I

36:33

would prefer to be around in a

36:35

violent setting. but that's what's so scary

36:37

His then there's hiding among people. They're

36:39

very child like. Wow.

36:42

But their adult men with adult

36:44

penises that on the rack and

36:46

they want to put them in

36:48

Tilton? Oh My. God. Sit ups.

36:50

Leslie as an expert, can you

36:52

explain the overall issue of how

36:54

pedophiles who can't access pornography will

36:56

now use social media accounts for

36:58

their fact. After years of

37:00

working. With pedophiles, I can tell

37:02

you that they use images

37:04

in magazines and newspapers and

37:06

especially images found on social

37:08

media and progressive at their

37:10

answers on media than program

37:12

or not wrong. And as easily

37:15

accessible for the you go to

37:17

mass to though the user to

37:19

fantasize and they also pockets it

37:21

and they sell in his pocket

37:23

is on and the dark web

37:25

to other pedophiles or sex offenders.

37:28

While. It is so interesting hearing you

37:30

break it down that way because that makes

37:32

complete sense so I appreciate it. I do

37:34

want to ask you this: why would Jacqueline

37:37

say that she's talked to the As the

37:39

I about any of this Because is that

37:41

even possible contending it's called As The Eye

37:43

and say like, hey, if my child's face

37:45

anywhere online. Anybody.

37:48

Can call the F B I. There's an

37:50

anonymous tip line and they can talk to

37:52

people, but you can't call the F B

37:54

I and say hey, I see I think

37:57

my smeared is on the dark web. Can

37:59

you check. Neither is that

38:01

those are different agencies and

38:03

different government agencies and author

38:05

they are private investigators can

38:07

be retained. So. When she

38:10

posted that video and she said thing

38:12

I immediately had some skepticism and I

38:14

also thought to myself if you're going

38:17

to that extent to eat alone at

38:19

the video or you want She did

38:21

call the a fly on on the

38:23

coupon. Into the funding apply.

38:25

If you're going to that extent and

38:28

you are worried then. Got

38:30

the novel around fog for you to

38:32

teach your child off the internet and

38:34

reduce any threat to her. How do

38:36

you think that all of this might

38:38

impact around mental health as she grows

38:40

up and enters adulthood As this six

38:42

with her because we know even if

38:44

the account gets deleted, all this material

38:46

is on the internet for ever. I

38:48

think being brought up on social media

38:50

and being the image that is used

38:53

by a lot of predators from being

38:55

a baby all the way to four

38:57

years old and probably going into the

38:59

future. That this little girl

39:01

and grow rag will struggle with

39:03

identity. They will struggle were knowing

39:06

who they are they will struggle

39:08

with. Focusing on the negative comments

39:10

that a received on all others

39:13

videos they will struggle with wondering

39:15

if people know who they are,

39:17

if people and not sedated to

39:20

them we are there. images are

39:22

online because they'll be there forever.

39:24

They will struggle, probably will harm

39:27

to themselves. Addiction we to with

39:29

medicaid themselves. In in proper

39:31

Manners Bloated. Doesn't he have

39:33

years or even sexuality in

39:35

along with themselves? The problem

39:37

is that all the money

39:39

in the world care and

39:41

do. When you

39:43

harm get the most important.

39:46

Developmental season of your Life In

39:48

those are the weekend. Twelve

39:50

years. For. And more

39:52

children who are now late teenagers or young

39:54

adults are coming out in talking about what

39:56

it was like to be in a family

39:59

of logging. Home at one even

40:01

said that if she still the water her

40:03

mom would grab a camera and say we

40:05

have to do a retake, still the water

40:07

again and then clean it again and on

40:10

average it would be about. Seven food

40:12

intake. Now. I know it's twenty

40:14

twenty four and we aren't giving kids a

40:16

childhood that they used to house because of

40:19

social media. the internet and tablets for what

40:21

kind of way for you giving a child

40:23

is, all you're doing is swarming know you're

40:25

not having that connection with them. It's not

40:28

natural. they're constantly ceiling produce and they have

40:30

the weight of the world on their shoulders

40:32

because they are the ones making money for

40:34

the family and a lot of the planes.

40:37

The families are saying you need to do

40:39

that because this is how we have for

40:41

the olive oil. Google put in a. D.

40:43

T Child. Over time they don't

40:45

get to enjoy they told him

40:48

he gung ho day density they

40:50

don't build their confidence to don't

40:52

get to experience normal, developmentally appropriate

40:54

things. And they have a skewed

40:57

in his as who they are in

40:59

waiting to feed their family and then

41:01

at the same time they're getting all

41:04

the comments and all of the followers

41:06

to are made. It is also putting

41:08

more and more executions on his children

41:10

who are eventually likely than a d

41:13

extremely hard on themselves and again we

41:15

go into the Referee school with. Mcglone.

41:18

In be seen with a lot of

41:20

Power songs as they move into. Addiction

41:22

and substances in the criminality.

41:24

It's and it is a

41:26

way for them to self

41:28

medicate the unmarked and horrible

41:31

negative emotions that have come

41:33

from being in the limelight.

41:35

They're entirely. One hundred

41:37

percent. I could not agree with you more,

41:39

and I really do appreciate you sharing all

41:41

of your insights on that and your knowledge

41:43

because it's so trail to talking about online

41:46

safety in general. We had briefly discuss it.

41:48

There are currently a couple bills in the

41:50

works, so I was a little bit confusing

41:52

on it, so I broke it all down

41:54

here. But. Nears one specifically

41:56

that's in Wisconsin and it's about

41:59

banning Child. My sex dolls that

42:01

are out there. And then in

42:03

Florida, Tennessee, South Dakota. in Hawaii.

42:05

They had apparently already outlawed them

42:07

with his group known. To

42:09

the argument with the is is that some

42:11

people say that they of course provide pedophiles

42:13

another outlet besides actual children because they are

42:15

so lifelike they look so we'll even just

42:17

last night I was scrolling tic toc and

42:19

there was a woman who had one of

42:21

these dolls and there were some like irregularities

42:24

in the face. she had made it look

42:26

that way and she was like rocking it

42:28

to sleep and pretending to things. and and

42:30

she's on allies and people were watching and

42:32

like fascinated with that has a. What?

42:34

The hell is going on here like

42:36

this is the weirdest thing I've ever

42:38

seen. But then for the other dolls

42:40

people are of course using them to

42:42

live out their sit fantasy is and

42:44

some people are saying that of course

42:46

it's adding to the but the problem

42:48

but then there's are other similar argument

42:50

about the use of A and people

42:52

saying that it could be helpful with

42:54

having access ai getting pedophiles, their six

42:57

getting them the gratification that they want

42:59

and a prevents real children from being

43:01

victims and their almost same it it's

43:03

better that way. However,

43:05

Another point going back to run is that

43:08

people could be using a I and doing

43:10

things like that I saw that other podcast

43:12

or Bobby. Very A video

43:14

of her to surface impose on

43:16

a sexual explicit video was all

43:18

over twitter and it's like these

43:20

capabilities out there and technology is

43:23

so scary and so is there

43:25

anything. I mean aside from

43:27

the bills and the different laws, hopefully

43:29

the going to play but like what

43:31

else can anybody do with that? I

43:33

guess nothing. It's so hard yeah I

43:35

it's so hard. And protect your protect

43:37

your images of us you can buy.

43:39

It's an end, be souls or just

43:42

just fucking ridiculous. I mean is that.

43:44

The. Human nature is to build on drive

43:47

and the release and needs to build

43:49

over time. And if you are a

43:51

predator, you are probably a psychopath. Which

43:53

means you have brain structures that lead

43:55

you to meet satisfaction sooner and need

43:57

more And more. And bigger and bigger.

43:59

Set aside, Anthony know scientifically are completely

44:01

ridiculous. Isn't there no science to say

44:03

that we should allow the pleasure and

44:05

that it's going to stop at no

44:07

way we going to enable. At one

44:10

hundred percent, if you do a bad

44:12

behavior, you need to stop. You need

44:14

a consequence and over time you're going

44:16

to remember that consequences. Going to Sir

44:18

to. Deter the bad behavior is not. so

44:20

psychology work in the themselves piss me off

44:23

like never. I know it's it

44:25

in any I agree the and people

44:27

are making them look like other people

44:29

that they're seeing on the internet it's

44:31

to for of the and then you've

44:33

got the mom the dog mom would

44:36

suggest ah got at home the whole

44:38

city like mouth and numerous times and

44:40

she uses these dolls to pretends he's

44:42

proceedings us to so her boobs off

44:44

on social media This the seeks all

44:46

we have. Why not just had sex

44:49

nursing? This is pretending to nurse said

44:51

and you're allowed to nurse on social

44:53

media. By the work around

44:55

that massive brass. Ah, but she's using

44:57

the dolls for to settle. Was.

45:00

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45:02

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45:04

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48:13

if you see a child pop up on

48:16

your feed, scroll out of it

48:18

immediately. Because, you know, the first

48:20

few seconds is when that account's going to make

48:22

money. Yep. So don't endorse the accounts.

48:24

And if you want to see what people are

48:26

talking about, like if you want to go look

48:28

at Ren right now, go to like one of

48:30

our accounts where we've addressed it and we've screen

48:32

shot it. Yep. So that you're not feeding into

48:34

it and they're not making money off it. Absolutely.

48:36

I think, too, another piece of that is if

48:38

you watch even that first five seconds, it tells

48:40

the algorithm that somebody's interested in it, so it's

48:42

going to push that video out to more people.

48:44

And the chances are that it's going to be

48:46

pushed out at some point to somebody who we

48:48

don't want that video to get into their hands. Yep.

48:51

So based on what's your takeaway, based

48:53

on, we had talked about a little

48:55

bit about Jaclyn and Ren. Now there's

48:57

obviously so much coming out with Quiet

48:59

On Set, all of these victims from

49:02

Nickelodeon. It does feel like

49:04

there's a shift happening. And then

49:06

hopefully we're on the brink of

49:08

like an actual real movement, protecting

49:10

kids and stopping kids from being

49:12

exploited and adults being

49:14

creepy, earning money off their backs, all sorts

49:16

of things. Where do you see

49:19

everything going from here? I

49:21

see harsher restrictions for pedophilia. So

49:24

predators do not respond to empathy

49:26

tactics. They often don't respond to

49:29

therapy. If I

49:31

sit down with a psychopath and I do

49:33

therapy with them, all

49:36

they're doing is learning how to manipulate other people

49:39

by taking what I'm doing and then turning it

49:41

into them and then they do it to someone

49:43

else. So we need to

49:45

up the consequences of these behaviors, and a

49:47

lot of bills are trying to do that,

49:49

especially when it comes to pedophilia. The

49:53

bar needs to be life in prison, not

49:55

12 weeks of treatment and an

49:57

ankle monitor. agents

50:00

to follow them around and track them. The

50:02

rule is that on Halloween they have to stay inside.

50:04

How do we know? That's interesting.

50:06

Who's going to check? Yeah, I hadn't heard that.

50:09

That makes total sense. Another rule is that before

50:11

they have sex with anyone, they have to disclose

50:13

their sexual predator. Nobody's going to

50:15

do that. Nobody's going to do that, are you kidding me?

50:18

So we can advocate in that way

50:20

by bills and laws and spreading the

50:22

message and getting people more powerful than

50:25

you and I to buy into this.

50:29

And then we have all this movement

50:31

happening with what's going to happen

50:33

to TikTok and can we advocate

50:35

through Instagram to start setting parameters

50:37

on these accounts. I

50:40

started in OnlyFans because I was really curious

50:42

what would happen. What

50:45

happened? Well, it

50:47

was really easy. So I could say

50:49

that my seven-year-old could easily start in

50:51

OnlyFans. Oh my gosh. He knows

50:53

my social security. She could easily get a credit

50:56

card. She understands what a W-9 is. So

50:59

you have to put in all this information. And

51:01

the issue I'm having with her right now is that

51:04

facial recognition is working on her

51:06

because we look so similar. Wow.

51:10

She could navigate at seven starting

51:13

in OnlyFans. So that's

51:15

where we could start bringing in

51:17

AI to help protect rather

51:19

than enable this perpetuation

51:22

of children. Have you

51:24

done any sort of exploration on OnlyFans

51:27

or through Telegram or any of those

51:29

sites to see what's out there in

51:31

terms of children content? I

51:33

do. I dig around a lot. And part

51:35

of the reason I started the OnlyFans was because I want

51:37

to, I'm going to start putting

51:40

up different content, nothing sexual, but I want

51:42

to see how people respond. OnlyFans

51:45

is coming out saying they want to be

51:47

more of a cooking show

51:49

or more of a subscription model like

51:51

Patreon. Yes. So I want to see,

51:53

I just want to see what happens

51:55

when I bring the same content to

51:57

different platforms. But I've also dug...

52:00

on Telegram, you

52:02

know, 8chan. I've gone deep into the

52:04

dark web and seen what's there and

52:07

it's very disturbing. I also

52:09

interviewed at TikTok, I went through five or six

52:11

interviews to be in the role of

52:13

taking down the content that was so horrifying before

52:16

it got to you. And

52:18

they defunded the job. Wow,

52:21

why, just because the content makes money? I

52:24

don't know. I don't know. I

52:26

mean, AI has the ability to take it down

52:28

too. But they don't. They

52:33

don't. I mean, there's so much horrible content.

52:36

So I have to ask you, if you

52:38

were in a room with Jacqueline, what

52:40

would you say to her? If you could just like

52:42

get it all out and be like, here's why I

52:44

think what you're doing is dangerous, what is it you

52:46

would say to somebody like her? Well,

52:48

I would probably have her sign a waiver. Smart.

52:53

And then I would let her know the six

52:56

hours of psychological assessments I would be

52:58

administering. With her consent. I

53:03

don't want to judge her

53:06

without knowing her, but what I

53:08

am judging is the evidence and

53:11

the reactions of the world and the

53:13

amount of people following that child. And

53:16

I don't doubt that she's

53:19

aware. Oh, of course she

53:21

has to be aware. My mind immediately goes

53:23

to, what

53:25

is the reason this is

53:28

continuing? Is it

53:30

an individual's understanding personality or

53:32

is it monetary or is

53:34

maybe there's an outside force?

53:37

Right? We've got Chad Dayball

53:39

and zombies, Ruby Frankie. And I don't even

53:41

know if that wasn't Mormonism, whatever that was.

53:44

I mean, even Jodi Hildenbrandt is

53:46

known to hear voices and might've

53:48

schizophrenia in some of these reports.

53:51

So I would want to first

53:53

just get the full picture of who she

53:56

is before really judging what she's

53:58

done to her child. interesting

54:00

point because if it isn't just about the

54:02

money and if there is something else there, you

54:05

had mentioned something about like, does she know

54:07

what she's doing in the full extent? And

54:09

that then kind of throws me back to

54:11

that FBI video she did where she's like,

54:13

I talked to the FBI, they said that

54:15

predators aren't watching the material, which obviously we

54:17

call bullshit on that didn't happen. But to

54:21

have the balls to even do a video

54:23

like that, does she truly believe what she's

54:25

saying, I guess. Right. And then

54:28

that's different. And in everyday life, we

54:30

look at mental health

54:32

differently than in court systems,

54:34

right? So like, Chad,

54:36

they all could get the death penalty,

54:38

because he may be insane, but

54:41

he definitely showed an understanding of

54:43

the consequences. He was meticulous, he

54:45

planned, he was in the right

54:47

state of mind when all these

54:49

incidents happened, he could be insane

54:52

and still be killed. But

54:54

in therapy and outside of the legal system,

54:56

we have to look at, okay, what

54:59

is your mental state? And what are we going

55:01

to do with it to make sure everyone stays

55:03

healthy and happy? And we're not moving into anything

55:05

like a legality. So they're

55:07

very different contexts. And it really depends

55:09

where, where that account

55:11

is going. And there are

55:13

there are probably things happening we're very unaware

55:16

of. And with that

55:18

being said, you had mentioned briefly

55:20

earlier about how men predators will

55:22

make the childlike voices, they'll save

55:24

the material. So what

55:26

would you advise to somebody who has created

55:28

content like that, whether it's her or somebody

55:30

else, what predators could be doing with the

55:32

material, aside from, of course,

55:34

what we know, prime masturbating and things

55:37

like that, but how else they're creatively

55:39

using the material or repurposing the material?

55:42

I would say they are, they

55:45

are using AI to alter the

55:47

images, they're packaging the images, they're

55:49

selling them, they're making money off

55:51

them. They are also probably

55:53

trying to get things that the

55:56

children have worn or something that would

55:58

like smell like the children. So

56:00

they're going to get accessories in order

56:02

to build these packages back up. And

56:06

eventually someone will try to find

56:09

the child. So for me,

56:11

safety is huge. When

56:13

you have 17 million followers, you're

56:16

not just going to go into Walmart. People

56:19

are going to be tracking you. You are going

56:21

to need security, this child. And I think I

56:23

read that she was pulled out of school. Oh,

56:25

I didn't see that. Yes. The

56:28

safety with that many followers, and

56:30

I'm comparing that to there

56:32

are well-known celebrities who

56:34

have far less followers and have

56:36

full security teams. So

56:38

what is the security and what is the safety?

56:41

Because eventually somebody is going to

56:43

want to meet that childhood person.

56:46

And people on these accounts know

56:49

where they live. They have met the child.

56:51

They see them in the grocery store. And

56:53

these comments are quickly deleted so that nobody

56:56

can see it. Good, keep

56:58

them safe. But they

57:00

are a known entity. So

57:02

for anyone who's online and posting anything

57:04

about their life, safety and security is

57:06

the most important thing to me. And

57:09

it seems like even if she does think

57:11

she's being careful and that everybody else is

57:13

wrong and she's right and that they're going

57:15

to be perverted and take it one way,

57:18

I can't stop them. But you're

57:20

also exacerbating the issue because her thumbnails

57:22

keep getting more explicit. It's the wide

57:24

open legs. The content itself is getting

57:27

more suggestive. We ended with that gum

57:29

video is probably the most recent thing. And

57:31

so at some point, at least

57:33

for my and I'm obviously not a professional like

57:35

you, but it's like for my point of view,

57:37

I'm like, you know full

57:39

well what you're doing. Because you're doubling

57:41

down, you're increasingly pushing the limits with

57:44

the content you're putting out there. It's

57:46

not like you think you're just doing

57:48

something innocent and then you're trying to

57:50

get a bigger reaction out there. It

57:52

seems very intentional. And

57:55

the thumbnail is probably

57:57

one of the biggest pieces of evidence for me.

58:00

Because then it's like you're prompting that you want them to click

58:02

in you want them to see what that is Oh,

58:04

no, that's okay. And I don't know if like I

58:06

don't know people listening know that like when you post

58:08

a video It's not just the

58:11

first second of the video that shows up as

58:13

the image you go through the video Oh, yeah,

58:15

pick the image you want to be on your

58:17

screen. Oh, yeah You have to be very particular

58:20

and choose and on Instagram You can actually take

58:22

a photo from your camera roll and put that

58:24

as the thumbnail It doesn't even have to be

58:26

anything that was in the video. So it

58:29

is very carefully curated a

58:31

meticulous. Yeah It's

58:34

sick I hope it ends soon and what other would

58:36

you advice would you give to parents or not even

58:39

parents just other people out there? Who maybe

58:41

are an aunt and uncle anybody like that?

58:43

What can they do to make

58:45

sure even if they're not the ones posting

58:47

the content to make sure that they're being

58:49

Smart about whatever content they are posting. Is

58:52

it something where maybe they don't want to

58:54

jump to blurring the faces But they are mindful and they

58:56

put the full family or what can they do to just

58:58

be more mindful to where it's like You may not know

59:00

what you don't know and you don't know that what you're

59:02

posting is could be getting in the wrong hands I

59:05

think one great thing is on Facebook to

59:07

be notified if you're tagged in something before

59:09

it gets posted onto your account So

59:12

you set your own restrictions and if people want to

59:14

tag you you have to say yes or no Because

59:16

you know, we've got the grandparents who don't really

59:19

know the settings, right? I mean

59:21

I am I and my father is notorious for being the

59:23

first one to post every one of our children and not

59:25

asking us And you know, we just had the baby. We

59:27

look like total shit and he's putting us all over the

59:29

inner world So also have

59:31

that conversation with your family have the

59:34

pictures taken down set some guidelines and

59:36

explain to them And at the

59:38

end of the day if they don't agree, I don't

59:41

care. Mm-hmm. It's your child It's

59:43

your person to protect and you

59:45

don't have to explain yourself. Absolutely.

59:47

Absolutely You had come out

59:49

with a book recently in January, right? Yes. Can you

59:51

share a little bit about that? It's

59:53

called the friend cleanse and What

59:57

I found was that during kovat a lot of

59:59

my clients were happier, which surprised me. And

1:00:01

it was because they had this external boundary

1:00:03

telling them that they didn't have to hang

1:00:06

out with people they hated. And

1:00:09

then as COVID lifted, everyone felt

1:00:11

this obligation again to start socializing.

1:00:13

And as somebody who's worked very hard on my

1:00:16

boundaries, because I've had to with all these psychopaths

1:00:18

around, I wanted to write a little book

1:00:20

to just give people permission to say, hey, you're

1:00:23

in control of your energy. You don't have to be around

1:00:25

people who drain you and you should keep people close to

1:00:27

you who build you up. So for me, my

1:00:30

three-year-old is going to drain me probably

1:00:32

until he's like five or six, right? So I

1:00:34

have to be very careful about who's in my

1:00:36

inner circle. They can only really build me up.

1:00:38

And if I have to be around somebody who's

1:00:40

going to be draining, I'm going to step back

1:00:42

and plan ahead. I'm going to plan that week.

1:00:44

I'm going to plan the interactions. I'm going to

1:00:46

plan my out. I'm going to plan what I'm

1:00:48

going to say. And so the book talks about

1:00:51

describing these people in your lives,

1:00:53

deciding who is really a

1:00:55

necessity for this point in your life. Maybe it's

1:00:57

someone you love, but you have to bookmark and

1:00:59

come back to later. And then

1:01:01

I made a little sphere on my website.

1:01:03

It's free. And I just wanted to play

1:01:05

around with it. But you can put yourself

1:01:07

in the middle of the sphere and it

1:01:09

moves around and then you can put your

1:01:11

friends and family who drains you

1:01:13

or who increases your energy. And then you

1:01:16

have this little cup of rosé wine and

1:01:18

it goes up and down. I love

1:01:21

this. You need to patent

1:01:23

this trademark if you haven't already. You have to.

1:01:25

That is the best

1:01:27

thing I think I've ever heard. Yeah. I think it

1:01:30

needs some work, but it's free. You can just

1:01:32

go in and play. What I would love is if

1:01:34

it was like an app. So you're at school drop

1:01:36

off and you're like, okay, Sally's in the trash can.

1:01:38

Yeah, totally. You're not filling my rosé cup. Get out

1:01:40

of here, Sally. No way. I love that. And so

1:01:43

where can everybody pick up your book? It's

1:01:45

on Amazon. Perfect. And

1:01:47

then my website's drlesleydobson.com and then I'm on TikTok.

1:01:50

Yeah. What are your social handles on every, is

1:01:52

it all the same everywhere? DrLesleyDobson. Great. I love

1:01:54

it. It's pretty easy. I love

1:01:57

that. Thank you so much for joining today. It

1:01:59

was great talking. with you. Yes. Thank

1:02:02

you. Thank you. We'll have to do this

1:02:04

again. I have so many questions. And I hope people

1:02:06

listening do something nice for themselves right now. Yes. Yes.

1:02:10

I know. Please. I

1:02:12

know. We probably just fucked up your whole day.

1:02:14

So sorry about that. Okay. Thank

1:02:16

you so much. This was great. Thank you.

1:02:19

I loved that. Great. All right,

1:02:21

guys. I

1:02:23

am so thankful I had Dr. Leslie on. We

1:02:25

are definitely going to be doing another one very

1:02:27

soon. I feel like she is just a wealth

1:02:29

of knowledge and she is such a great resource to

1:02:31

have. Make sure you're following her

1:02:34

if you're not already. She has so many

1:02:36

tips, tricks, insights. She's just, again, a wealth

1:02:38

of knowledge. So I think we're going to

1:02:40

collaborate on an upcoming episode regarding like Chad

1:02:42

Daybell, Colts, Brian Koberger, things that really go

1:02:45

on psychologically in these people's minds. So definitely

1:02:47

check back for that very soon. She lives

1:02:49

locally. So we're going to be able to

1:02:51

do it pretty quickly. All

1:02:53

right, guys. Thank you again. And I hope

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1:03:27

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