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This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans

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with me. Cheryl Burke and iHeartRadio

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Podcast. Welcome back to

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Sex Lies and Spray Tns. Get ready to

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peel back the curtain to reveal the

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inside story of a man who

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captured hearts across the globe, not

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just with his fluid moves on Dancing

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with the Stars, but also with his

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charismatic presence in a film that defined

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a generation's view on love and friendship

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in New York City. His journey

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from the picturesque French riviera to the

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sparkling dance floors of America tells

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a tale of resilience, talent,

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and the relentless pursuit of dreams. Today,

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we're joined by another one of my amazing partners,

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who has definitely taken the heat from both his

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fellow competitors and fans when

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it came to his competitiveness and the intensity

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with which he approached the show. I

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have to say that season eight was a special one

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for me personally, as I believe that my next

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guest brought out the best in me, especially

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when I needed it most, Specifically, after

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a season where I dealt with my own public scrutiny

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about my weight so for that, I'll

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always be in deep gratitude for our time

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together. Please welcome my friend

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Gill Marini to the show.

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Ge, how are

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you man?

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Oh my gosh, you look exactly the same.

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Yes, surgery Hollywood. You know.

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You got out your whole face reconstruction right

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here.

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To be super fair? Yes four

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times really yeah, nobody

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knows that and four times before you even met.

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You because of your fighting.

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And none

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so good fighting and also firefighter,

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I got hated by something. Yeah.

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Well, welcome to sex size and sprays hands.

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My love has been so long.

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Thank you so much, Robin. I love it. Congratulations

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for everything you do. It's great and it's really

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I love you did this after the show

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like that. I think it's it's it's

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super cool and you can really be yourself

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and say the things that you need to say, and I

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love that.

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It's very therapeutic, I have to say everyone that

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has been on so far's it gives

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us the time, you know, Like you know, on the show,

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we go like we're like talking and then like you

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go in and out and we have to focus on our what

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we have to do, and at this gives people

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just enough time to let it

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all out. First of all, I haven't seen you

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since that Ed Sheeran concert, remember

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back in twenty seventeen. I think it

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was seven years and

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that was like a quick high too.

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It's too fast. And at the same time, since

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around that's seventeen eighteen nineteen,

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times everything accelerated

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and I didn't realize all that time

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went by because we kind of did

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nothing for it. I mean, ish the

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Hollywood people for a bit,

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just because of the pandemic, the pre pandemic,

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the after pandemic, and the strike and

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in sher until today there's really no production

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going on because everybody's freaking out.

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So my world is being a bit weirdly

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shattered. And let's see if he gets

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back in place, but I'm sure it will be is

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never the same, but right right right, it's

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interesting what's happening. But since that time,

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I know time's flown

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and I don't know where it's been.

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Yeah, no, exactly. As I get older,

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time flies, but it definitely goes fast.

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So I like to start out each conversation with

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my guests with asking who

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is Jio Marini behind the

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People magazine cover, behind the

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mirror ball glittered spray

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t hand? You know, who are you?

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Wow? Who is Jim Morini behind it? You

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know, it would not surprise a lot of people. I think

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I'm just like everybody else. I am the

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absolute luck that this dude

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has is as actors, if

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you work one hundred percent of

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the time, you are zillionaire. It

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doesn't work that way. You know, seventy

3:46

percent of the time you don't

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work. You're waiting for your next work or you preparing

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your next work. So a lot of time at home. And

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want to come across with is you

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know, George and Treela'm my kid and.

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Carol they're not kids anymore.

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Now I want to tell you what George is doing. Now you're gonna

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go what. But it's

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it's very interesting to say,

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like, I'm really blessed. I spent

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my entire adult life feeling

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not working, feeling like

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being home and taking care of of

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the things that I love to take care of, like could

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be gardening and building new homes.

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And I love to be busy with things,

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you know that and learning

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new things has always been some of my

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favorite things to do. So it's not I

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just turned forty eight and then literally

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if somebody said I'm going to teach you this tomorrow

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to fly, I would be so excited

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and I would just go fully on

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it. So this is kind of who

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I am behind closed door. I love to never

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stop moving and make people look

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ignoxious here sometimes.

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But it's okay, I'm turning forty

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next month. I stop

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it.

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No need to speak from Cheryl Burke. You

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know, forty is

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not fair if everybody does

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like.

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What you said, this is forty.

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What are people's biggest misconception

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about you? You think.

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That it's all easy

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because you have charming eyes here

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you go. Yeah, No, life

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is extremely difficult for everybody. There is,

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of course things that it's harder to rise

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against.

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And a lot of people think that, oh my god, it just

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came out of the moment, everything was given to

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him. That is always something that

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makes a little bit and tip me off. And like

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I think, if you have a problem, you don't want to hear

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what I went through. And everybody has something

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and a lot of time just because

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you're in this industry and you have to

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prep yourself correctly and be

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trying to be as centsirist as possible,

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not to be every day canceled

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you. You you you have people

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like looking at you. It must have been so easy for you, so

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it's it's some time a little bit difficult.

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I guess for me, it's more about like so

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that people can, you know, find your

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story inspirational like I do.

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Yeah, I mean you

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you wrote something about you and and and guess

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what you're gonna have to do other books because.

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That's the second one coming.

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You see. I thought when

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all this happened to me and doing

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then with the start and that's the Sex and the City

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and all this. A lot of people from France like,

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yo, you got to tell your story. No one

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from France haven't ever ever done

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this. I'm like, oh cool,

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Well when I retire what I'm done with everything, maybe

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I will, so I'm reserving

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it more. I

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try to really like make people and

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inspire people every day of my life.

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Of course because as kid, I got a shugar,

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right example one of them.

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But yeah,

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it's interesting because a lot of people is asking

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why don't you just tell said, say to

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everyone what happened and your story is very

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interesting and inspires and all that. But I always

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felt like maybe in my late fifties,

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I will if the things

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that I thought that I think are coming, then

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it would be a little bit more a

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warner, and yeah, story.

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Can feel I hear you.

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I think it's I mean, that's why I am

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so open. Some people may think I overshare,

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but for me, there's always that intention

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to help others because I when

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I was younger, Yeah, I

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wish that I had someone that I looked up to as

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well when I was going through what I was going through, and there

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was not one person I heard from, so it

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was very lonely.

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You know, Wow, you're hitting.

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Yeah, what you just say is

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sometimes what happened to entertainers.

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A lot of people say, oh my god. Every

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day must be five thousand people saying

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what can I do for you to make you feel better? No,

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it is a very lonely place because everybody

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looks at you as you are invincible.

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You have everything, and you should

7:56

never bitch about anything. But we

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just like other humans. We're going through

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life, the ups and downs every day.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, and under

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a microscope. So maybe it's a little bit pressure.

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Yeah, you and I cannot say the things that sometimes

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we would love to say. It's yeah, the

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world we live in, so we have to go to

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it.

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I think I think I've been saying a lot, actually, and

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I haven't gotten the procession and

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I continue to. I continue to.

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I love that. And if you don't get affected

8:27

by please do so. I mean I'd

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love to, but yeah, you know you will.

8:31

I mean, but teach their own you know, yeah,

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take me and my listeners. I

8:44

guess going back to Sex and the City, right, the

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audition process? Now, what what did

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that entail? Exactly?

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Because I've never even asked you this. I'm curious.

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Yeah, so, oh my god, what happened?

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Is telling me the truth?

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Yeah? Yeah? Nothing but the truth

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here? When I want to tell

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the truth, and I know it's dangerous, I would say, should I

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play fit? That's what I want to say.

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No, none on this podcast.

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No, first, let's go there. No,

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you know, I came here like man,

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My wife Carol was

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cutting hair and saving a little bit of money to

9:18

buy me middle schoolers so I could go to the audition

9:20

a little faster because I was surprised very much

9:22

when I arrived in La that to go to Hollywood

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from the valleys nineteen hours drive,

9:27

so I just want to go

9:29

around traffic. And then so next thing, you know,

9:31

my manager called me. He said, you have an audition for

9:33

Sex and the City and I'm like, Sex and the City is done

9:36

for three years now. He's like, no, it's a

9:38

movie and I need I had lines

9:40

when I thinks, so I went to little hotel. I

9:42

think it's a long down hotel if I remember

9:44

correctly. And next thing, you know

9:46

this all these guys I keep hearing them

9:48

like trying to try a

9:50

women very American way anyway, Sorry

9:52

guys, but I

9:55

just decided to flip it and to be more like

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absolutely at door and I'm doing and I'm

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really keen controlling side of

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what she was prior during Sex and

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the City because now in the movie she is the married

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one.

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So you knew what you were going in for, Like you

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knew that this was gonna be okay, I got it.

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Yeah, I knew the show and you

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so honestly I did the opposite

10:17

of the other guys. And when the callback

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happened the first time I ever took the first flight ticket

10:22

flight to New York, I

10:24

turned the chair to pretend the chair

10:26

was the back of a female that I

10:28

was having fun with, yet

10:31

wearing only a jockstrap in

10:33

front of like ten executives. You yeah,

10:37

me super shy. I'm like like, oh

10:39

no, so I did what I

10:41

needed to do. I get all blurry.

10:44

The jockstrap, what color was it?

10:46

What? I

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never wore one? When they told me that,

10:51

I didn't understand what they meant. So I

10:53

was trying to understand what they meant. And then I

10:55

went to a place some

10:57

Big five and butt one. It was the most

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I bought a jock strap at Big five, and he

11:04

started my career.

11:05

Oh god, thanks to Big

11:07

Five. They should now give you free jock straps

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for life.

11:10

Yeah yeah, those things. I wore

11:12

this and then I never wore it again.

11:14

It's right, because you guys don't do that.

11:17

It's friends.

11:19

No, not really, no, no. The only time I ever wore

11:21

this is because it was to protect my things

11:23

when I'm.

11:24

Sparring or dancing

11:26

a dance we call a dance belt. Oh

11:29

oh, you didn't see. You didn't wear that,

11:31

you were free balling anyho. Going

11:33

back to the audition, okay.

11:36

So yeah, so next thing you know, they

11:39

I didn't have the time to go down the

11:42

auditional process. They

11:44

were calling me said we want you. So I was

11:46

really excited on the way back to the flight,

11:48

was really comfortable on the way back, and you

11:51

know, the movie came out and I.

11:53

Say, what did you do to the back of the chair.

11:55

I needed to know, Oh, so

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I took a chair.

11:58

Let me see. We need to see on the chair and

12:00

to pretend that I have a

12:03

woman in my arm and I'm

12:05

making love in a way. You know.

12:06

So you were like grind dry humping

12:08

the.

12:08

Chair, not really dry humping the chair. What

12:11

I did is that? Oh but that

12:13

because everybody.

12:14

Else you were like you were magic miking

12:16

it.

12:17

I was more giving

12:20

the same attention, giving

12:23

attention to women that needed to get

12:25

attention.

12:26

So you're doing like an Argentine tango with it.

12:28

It was. It was a lot of It was a lot of a

12:31

feeling that usually people don't come across.

12:34

In addition, they.

12:37

Did they ask you to pull your jock strap down.

12:40

No, they did it for real when

12:42

we shot it. You know that. And

12:45

you know what's funny there? The goal

12:48

that was really you Yeah, yeah,

12:50

it was no CGI back then, but

12:53

I'm sure it was, but they didn't use it. This

12:55

is what happened. It was January. It

12:57

was freaking freezing, freezing,

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So you know what happened when he's freezing?

13:01

Yes, I can only imagine and next

13:03

thing.

13:03

You know, you

13:05

know, I told he gets blurry for me. Sure, when

13:08

I'm acting, it's blurry. It's my scene

13:10

is a to B. I don't care what's in the middle.

13:12

I get right, super simple

13:15

as a man who thinks this

13:17

way was very libertine, who plays kind of

13:19

king contrel back then I turn around

13:22

and I said, this is who you came to look

13:24

for, and this is who I am.

13:27

That's why I turned. And it was not planned to turn.

13:30

So that's why they saw what they saw and they kept

13:32

it.

13:33

How many takes

13:36

couple?

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Nothing big, No, it was one day. What

13:40

was weird was more

13:42

of the time went by because it was one day in Malibue

13:45

or two days in Malibue, and it was a lot

13:47

of boats. And one of the guys

13:49

was Jones like, hey, all this is paparazzi.

13:52

I'm like, I'm butt naked.

13:54

Yeah, on a dailymail dot com.

13:58

Probably I didn't look at it.

13:59

Wait, so did they have body makeup person

14:01

on you?

14:03

Like? Remember, oh my,

14:06

that was amazing. It was body makeup on Dancing

14:08

with the Stars, for sure.

14:09

But not on set on Sex in the City.

14:12

I don't remember that. That was just put

14:15

it down. The guy who hold the guy

14:17

who was holding my towel was named

14:19

John. I would never forget. He was a boom

14:21

guy with a long zzy top beer over

14:24

me. I'm in the shower because

14:26

you see what's behind the scene. And then this

14:28

guy is holding the tower and he looks in my eyes. You say,

14:30

Dorry, the first towel drop

14:33

is the worst. Then it's cool, and

14:35

he dropped the tout. You're

14:38

like he

14:40

shrunk a bit.

14:43

I mean it was cold, mind you. Was

14:45

there tension on set? Do you remember, like from

14:48

the whole Kim Cattrell and Sarah.

14:49

I remember, like you know, of course,

14:52

like I'm really tiny bit that

14:55

that that thing.

14:56

I'm just right, of course from.

14:57

Everything, but I can feel it thing.

15:00

I just suffer it. And at

15:02

the end of the day, look, time time goes

15:04

by. People here. They had problems

15:07

between I don't know really what happened between

15:09

them. The media and makes

15:12

it a lot bigger than I'm sure it

15:14

is for sure, But you know, everybody

15:16

has his ways and everybody

15:19

their things.

15:21

She wasn't in that scene, right, Sarah. Jessica Parker

15:23

was not there.

15:24

Probably no, it

15:27

wasn't. I met everybody at

15:29

the party in the premiere, and I never felt

15:31

anything wrong. You know, we own professionals. Sometimes people

15:33

get along with people, sometimes they don't. But

15:37

I think I want to tell you the PTSD.

15:39

That because there's a lot I'm sure.

15:42

The first time that I saw that and I realized the

15:44

tensions were real and those people who actually

15:47

explode your current pieces and that's it. You know, I

15:49

was really worried. I'm like, I'm not a state. Whatever

15:52

you say is wrong. I

15:55

stayed away and I'm studying that. I

15:57

never really wanted to have, like make a

15:59

super cool relationship with the people I work with

16:01

because of that. That gave me that

16:04

And one time

16:06

I got one of the most hits

16:09

ever is because of you show.

16:12

Excuse me, Yeah, I heard you're

16:14

we can say everything here right anything, check

16:17

this out. One time you

16:20

were getting so much hapefa

16:22

sho. Birke's getting whatever the.

16:24

Weight Yeah, no, it was the weight thing.

16:25

Yeah, I'll point my mouth, I say, if

16:27

I want to say it again, I want to get pulled. If

16:30

every woman looks at Cholbert, that'll be fine. And

16:33

I just say that because honestly, what

16:35

the hell everybody anybody was talking about.

16:38

My intro is about this was like how

16:40

you came into my life at a time where

16:42

I needed you the most because it was coming

16:44

off of that weight where

16:46

I was being plastered on every magazine

16:49

cover on like literally I turned

16:51

on the television and they're talking about my weight and

16:53

it's like and then it went from

16:56

that season and which was just PTSD

16:58

talk about PTSD, still going through it,

17:01

and then it was with you, and you brought out

17:03

the best in me as far as like my work

17:05

goes, and I was able to like prove

17:07

myself again, I guess you know, and it was

17:09

a really vital time for me. So thank

17:12

you.

17:12

You are truly I mean, I know

17:14

people are there know that Cheryl

17:16

Berke is a mad professional.

17:19

You get like I want this and this needs

17:22

to go, and that I

17:24

could respond really well because as

17:27

you know, I've never danced

17:29

to day in my existence.

17:31

And then shut up. We're not even there yet.

17:34

But think about it.

17:36

Jill, you were so good.

17:38

I mean you you

17:41

you tell me that, dude. The first

17:43

two days I was again.

17:45

No, you were not, Jill, Jill,

17:48

I know exactly believe me. I've did. I've had

17:50

twenty four partners, like Okay,

17:53

and you were, hey,

17:56

look we were able to work on the detail.

17:58

And I just heard an interview with that you

18:00

did maybe a couple of years ago, but I just heard it like a few

18:02

days ago. And you said in this interview

18:05

that you would rent a studio and

18:07

you would go Gill.

18:10

We were already practicing for so many

18:12

hours.

18:13

I know I was no, but it was.

18:15

It obviously helped.

18:16

So what I what I do? I didn't really

18:19

rent it. I don't want to say it ran.

18:20

Wait, tell my listener, tell my listeners what we're talking

18:22

about here.

18:23

So Cheryl is a

18:25

monster of dedication and she

18:28

doesn't want to leave a word to the

18:30

unknown. If I don't do it well,

18:32

I don't do it well. Thing thinking all

18:34

the time, I got it, and it was

18:36

so amazing for me because I was

18:39

for free and getting made I guess

18:41

right, No, not yet learn from

18:44

the best on earth. The thing

18:46

that I will never be able to even think

18:49

about doing it to have is that

18:51

as a craft you get me dancing. Nobody

18:55

else did that. Do I love dancing?

18:57

I did I maybe have some rhythm because

18:59

I loved doing the club when I was ten. But

19:04

you gave me the understanding

19:07

of the speaking part of dancing

19:09

through your movement and the love, the

19:11

passion, the desperate, the anger,

19:13

story whine, the storyline.

19:16

For me, it was completing what

19:19

an actor should be. And besides

19:21

the singing, I'm okay with it,

19:23

not great. I absolutely would love to

19:25

touch a lot of things you gave me dancing

19:28

and that I can never thank you enough for

19:30

me. So what I did after the show,

19:33

because I was so not

19:36

secured inside of me, I

19:38

was going to l a fitness and this

19:40

guy that I knew then there's no classes

19:43

at ten pm. The Elly Fitness

19:45

Dance was open twenty four hours.

19:48

So I was sneaking in the dancing

19:50

with you know, the poles in the middle that's

19:53

shut the lights, close my eyes.

19:55

This was after rehearsal. You would do this like

19:57

after our eight hour rehearsal. This was

20:00

so this was back in the day when there's no rules, Like there's

20:02

rules now there's only four hours a day, but

20:05

like with us back then, I know, don't

20:07

even get me started, I know. And it's like so obviously

20:10

people are going to go and rent studios because

20:12

like you can't get anything done for hours, especially

20:14

with the quality of movement that they're expecting,

20:16

and then on top of it they have interviews

20:19

and all of that, and so AnyWho, we also

20:21

would do that, like we

20:23

went we did extra, right, we did extra on

20:25

top of the extra, and then you did extra

20:28

extra. Yeah, behind my back.

20:30

That was not secure, you know. I

20:32

was. I was really scared and I just wanted

20:34

to have the dance as one. I know

20:36

all the states. I don't care and not funny enough

20:38

when they call my name, every dance faded

20:41

away from my brain. Yeah, and it was old,

20:43

robotic and it was old. Honestly,

20:45

it was old about this moment, this minute

20:47

and a half that we had.

20:48

The present moment. Isn't that crazy? Like

20:50

that's what they say. The fourth state of consciousness

20:52

is it's like when you're really so present

20:54

that anything else, like you are so like, but

20:57

also you've developed muscle memory, like you can't hit

20:59

that unless you're comfortable enough to where

21:01

you understand what's.

21:02

Next, right exactly why I

21:05

was.

21:07

No, I hear you. One time

21:09

it worked.

21:10

One time. It's two thirty in the morning,

21:13

I'm like, I'm going to take the shower after this. Nobody's

21:16

there, so I leave my shoes. I had to walk

21:18

home. Without shoes. Somebody stole me.

21:21

Someone stole your dance, your dance with.

21:23

The stars in the morning or

21:26

the ship that I.

21:27

Wait, your shoes, shoes or your dance shoes.

21:30

Oh my god, they must have sold that for a lot of money.

21:34

I still have two bears.

21:43

After Sex and the City, you were basically

21:46

named the sexiest man alive for People magazine.

21:48

Correct. Is it after Sex

21:50

in the City or after Dancing with the Stars?

21:52

He was up to you.

21:53

Oh, well, you're welcome. No, I'm kidding.

21:58

Because he's such a passionate sho know, and and

22:00

and you and I had okay, we

22:02

had that thing without having that thing chemistry,

22:06

the world was like.

22:08

No, for sure, everyone thinks I definitely

22:10

jumped your bones, and it's just not the case.

22:13

He was you work with

22:15

this young man.

22:17

Oh my god, let's not mention names.

22:19

I know he was on the other side,

22:21

I was, I was, but my.

22:23

Ex boyfriend, I mean, shout out to him,

22:25

but we don't need to mention names.

22:27

Got it. And it was for me it was more

22:30

I just wanted you to be at peace,

22:32

and it was very turbulence just for you and

22:36

and and for me, it was just like lesson

22:40

I'm gonna I was, I'm gonna have lessons every

22:42

day, and it was it was tough for you to get

22:44

I was distracted all the hate.

22:47

So that's what I said. To go back to it. I just

22:49

say, like, if every woman looks like you, I'll

22:51

be just fine. Well, every woman

22:54

who didn't look like you killed

22:56

me.

22:57

Really, oh my god, what

23:00

do you mean?

23:01

And anybody that could not get weight will

23:03

kill me like like a completely abmitted

23:06

them. I didn't omit them. I was saying very

23:08

loud, to stop being violent

23:10

with your word towards Cheryl.

23:13

She's a beautiful being enough, that's

23:15

what I should have said. No, I say if

23:17

anybody looks if everybody looks at show, I'd

23:19

be happy just because I said that, because I

23:21

wanted to calm the world.

23:23

It worked on my behalf, so thank you, but

23:25

may not have worked in your favor.

23:27

Now if I say that, I'm sure in jail.

23:30

No, now, there's no way. First of all, my weight wouldn't

23:32

be the center of any cover of magazines

23:35

now to.

23:37

The media will also realize that they are the.

23:39

One when this to get but they would get canceled,

23:41

like straight up, you don't talk about anyone's weight,

23:43

Like, I mean, people still look, they still

23:46

social like what's socially acceptable? Still?

23:48

You see it, whether they say it in front of your face

23:51

or not. You see people who are very skinny

23:53

and you know, not relatable to most

23:55

of America. That's just the way it is. Then

23:59

you get Okay. Do you remember when I first met you. We were

24:01

on an airplane to Chicago. Yeah,

24:05

Gill, I didn't know so I hadn't watched

24:07

sex in the city. We were going to this I think

24:09

we were going to the same event you were with Jana.

24:11

Is her name Jannah?

24:14

Yes?

24:14

So she are you still working with her?

24:17

So I see her sometimes? No, we don't work

24:19

together. She stopped doing that.

24:21

So we were flying first class because

24:23

we're bougie and grateful,

24:25

privileged hashtag privileged. And

24:28

I just remember hearing your voice and then my friend

24:30

goes, look at that hot guy, and I was like, oh, And

24:32

I was single at the time. I wasn't dating my

24:34

ax right then. And

24:37

and then someone was like, all right, I heard vers

24:39

and saying this guy who says that's the guy from

24:41

I was like, I hadn't seen the movie yet, and

24:44

I did not know then that you were

24:46

going to do the show. Did you know?

24:49

You know, I didn't know. In the last second, you know, they

24:51

told me, hey, would

24:54

you want to do that? Same with the Stars, So let's get a

24:56

meeting. I got a meeting. Then from the meeting they said

24:58

we want you. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to do it. I

25:00

was a little worried because I just finished something with

25:03

on niptok with and it's that Red Grave and I

25:05

felt like, Okay, this is my craft. I'm

25:07

in love with what I do. But actors,

25:10

especially then, they forgot

25:12

that the more you see you,

25:14

you as in an interview

25:16

on the show like Dance with the Stars, because it's a reality

25:18

show, they see you. So if

25:21

the producing side of things does

25:23

not alternate your being, then

25:27

they see you. And I think America

25:29

the first time over really fell in love with a

25:32

different type of guy, like someone that comes

25:34

from another place, who's trying everything

25:36

to and love the country and this

25:38

and that. So I think they fell in love with with

25:41

with that person that that was me. And

25:43

Dancing with the Stars is really good for that because

25:46

it is you that people.

25:47

See your vulnerability.

25:50

Yeah, and then you're good and the bad and

25:52

everything they see everything.

25:53

Did you feel like strip naked a little

25:56

bit? Not literally, you've already done that,

25:58

but like I meant like, because

26:00

you are an actor. And this is what I've always said that

26:02

with actors, I find that there is

26:04

something that is difficult that I find

26:07

during rehearsals, for example, versus an athlete.

26:09

It's the fact that the whole

26:13

I guess what people's impression, right, Like

26:15

they're very aware of the camera,

26:17

but they're not used to the camera like as

26:20

well, like capturing this reality

26:22

because you also, you know, as an actor

26:25

because I married one, no longer married, but

26:27

I married one, and I remember it's like

26:29

this whole persona right that, Like you

26:31

don't want to reveal too much, and

26:34

yet you sign up for a show like Dancing with the starvice

26:36

you shouldn't do that. Then you shouldn't sign up for dancing

26:38

if you're not ready to be completely vulnerable

26:40

and be ready to just have

26:43

ups and downs, because if you're trying to hide it

26:45

behind the glitter, it ain't going to work for you.

26:47

In your favorite you can smell

26:49

it from a mile when someone is on you

26:51

can see I was reading myself. I mean, we

26:55

all we are talking about two thousand and nine.

26:57

We're talking about season eight.

26:58

We're talking two thousand and eight or nine nine,

27:01

thank.

27:01

You, we're talking about that

27:03

moment, that moment who changed my life. I only

27:05

have positive memories

27:08

of these

27:10

moments. The first the first time

27:12

I did it. I was really

27:15

worried about doing the second time Stars.

27:18

I didn't want to do that at all. And then when

27:20

they say, what do you mean you

27:22

do it? You got to do it? So you

27:25

do it, and yeah,

27:28

no, I love the first time. You know, sometimes you do things

27:30

once and you don't touch it again.

27:32

Right, No, yes, I understand

27:34

because it's never gonna it's never like your first time. Same

27:36

with my season, like my very first season. Then

27:38

you start to build expectations and then when they

27:40

don't exceed your expectator in general, like

27:42

in general and life in general. When

27:45

so when you got the show, had you watched Dancing

27:47

with the Stars at all? Or no, you didn't know what this was.

27:50

No, you didn't hear about it.

27:53

I'm like, one night in front

27:55

of my so man got a haughty

27:57

man, looked at that man with that TV

28:00

Katty Monoco is.

28:00

On, Oh yeah, the first season.

28:03

That was it. For a minute, I watched it and that was

28:05

it. You know what, Cheryl, When

28:09

I did Dancing with the Stars, everything hit the fence

28:11

right, popularity worldwide. Oh

28:13

my god, you know that more than anyone. Next

28:16

thing, you know. I still live in a little bedroom

28:20

with a big window.

28:22

On Laurel Canyon. Is it Laurel Kay close.

28:24

To Lok Yeah? Well literally people

28:27

could walk in and see me. Really,

28:31

so thank you again. I moved out

28:33

right after that.

28:34

Oh good, I thought you were still there. Okay.

28:36

I needed to thank you many times. That's

28:39

one of them. I moved from any the one bedroom to

28:41

a beautiful man.

28:42

I'm so first of all,

28:44

I am. I love you and your family so much.

28:47

Like I think, look

28:49

when you started doing this whole like Hollywood

28:52

life of yours, right, like, I don't think

28:54

it wasn't known in the beginning. Hence why there were

28:56

rumors about us that you were married with a beautiful

28:58

wife with Carol, Like like, I don't

29:00

think it was publicly maybe not

29:02

as talked about. I don't know if that was an intentional

29:05

thing or whatever it is. It doesn't matter. But

29:07

like, just let's just let's just mean,

29:10

let's just tell every Let's just tell everyone like nothing

29:12

has ever happened physically between us. We were

29:14

very close intimate like

29:16

in that sense, like we were

29:18

great friends. We went through our ups and downs,

29:21

right, we definitely had chemistry

29:24

like either you had You can't teach that, like you

29:26

either have it with someone or you don't. And

29:28

it was hot, like it was one.

29:31

You know that if a man's around you. I

29:33

mean, I extremely

29:36

like if I can't say something

29:39

about myself is because

29:42

every day to you

29:45

not simple. I'm still a dude.

29:47

Oh never forgot, Jill. You told me that you could

29:49

draw my privates after our U after

29:52

our season. You're like, that's remember when I said

29:54

that.

29:54

I know it was weird. People will not understand, but you're

29:57

laying.

29:59

Exactly. I

30:03

was like when you told me this, I was like, say

30:05

what You're like, yeah, I could outline,

30:07

I could trace it. I could outline. Now

30:10

I'm like, oh my god, that was definitely.

30:12

I was in printed in my brain. Yet

30:14

I have never seen it naked.

30:16

So when you did Dancing with the Stars, what did they

30:18

tell you, Like did it consume your life? Like

30:21

my I know, but my listeners like, how was

30:23

the process? Were you shocked? Shell shocked by

30:25

how much work it was.

30:27

He was like, oh, yeah,

30:30

so let me explain deep. Yeah.

30:33

So sometimes you really want to come across

30:35

with things that it's important to you, either

30:37

your story or some things. And

30:40

what we sometimes don't understand it's a

30:42

TV show. It's a show that has to

30:45

be clear fast and this and that. What

30:47

I didn't really dig it is some time, let's

30:50

just come across it. Sometimes

30:53

you don't want to say things and things

30:57

and you know, sometimes you want to say something but you

30:59

can't write no, You're going to say that

31:01

instead, and that airs, and

31:03

then little by little your character

31:06

is now changed. People look at you

31:08

like special if you kid the second time over

31:10

every week when my package was showing, it

31:13

was look at this little idiot so

31:15

much in love with a marriage. It was making fun

31:17

of I mean, if you please do me a favor, if

31:19

you go back to it, you look at it and said, oh, they really

31:21

want him gone. Every time there was a video

31:23

about me or something negative the entire

31:26

season, I never felt like something

31:28

is wrong here. I'm gonna step aside a bit because

31:31

when we're rehearsed, they're waiting for a moment of like

31:34

ah to put that in to really.

31:36

Make that so they manipulated your package.

31:38

This is what you're saying.

31:40

On my father too. And I never liked

31:42

this. It was that was more saying.

31:45

Even my wife was saying, I hope he kill out tomorrow

31:47

because every time I watched this package, I

31:49

know it's not you. I know this is really Oh

31:52

it was tough the second time over. I even want to

31:54

talk about it.

31:55

My first time was we're going to talk about it. This

31:57

is going to be a therapy session, but not yet.

32:00

We're going to talk about us first. How about

32:02

the first time around. Was it difficult

32:04

for you to do this because you were coming from

32:06

you're an actor, like you're not necessarily used

32:08

to the reality side of things. Was

32:11

it hard for you to be vulnerable?

32:13

Yeah, it was. It was hard. It was

32:15

hard for I was

32:17

worrying. The way I grew up. People

32:19

think no things. Some people don't know things.

32:22

I just arrived. I didn't want to, you know,

32:25

share too much things, and then everything is

32:27

your entire life is under a microscope.

32:30

My kid at school, I couldn't

32:32

go anywhere anywhere for a long time

32:34

in school to just see my kid because it

32:37

was a circus. You know. One of

32:39

the saddest things happened to me is once

32:41

I flew to New York to pay respect for the people

32:44

in ninety eleven, something I like to do. When

32:47

I was there, somebody tapped my shoulder

32:49

and say you should leave now, And

32:51

I say, why, what's going on? I say, you're

32:53

disturbing the piece what I

32:56

swow my eye? It

32:59

was not because everybody almost take a picture you

33:01

and this is a place of mourning. I'm

33:03

like, oh so I cannot more. Oh

33:06

nice, So I say, I understand

33:08

and I left. So this is

33:11

not only positive that all the time. You know,

33:13

sometimes no, of course, you want to be

33:15

you want to be a dude and you want to do something

33:18

and new kids.

33:19

You know, it's a domino effect. It's a domino

33:21

effect. And this is why this podcast

33:24

is around because look, it's

33:26

not all rhinestones and glitter and

33:28

smiles, right like really

33:31

And it's okay though because we're both

33:33

and I can say this as well for you that like we're

33:35

in gratitude right like I had the

33:38

It changed my freaking life. But

33:40

with that also is the

33:42

other things that we're talking about that I feel

33:44

also the fans should also listen to and

33:47

and want to know about For many

33:49

years, decades, they've been asking, you

33:51

know, and and I think that,

33:53

But it still goes back to let's just be

33:56

clear how much gratitude we're in for

33:58

giving us this platform and the opportunity.

34:01

Absolutely, it's like a family, right.

34:03

We don't always get along, and that's just the way

34:05

it is period.

34:06

Second life. There's one side that his goal and

34:08

the other side cut sharp.

34:09

Did you ask for me or you didn't even

34:11

know? Is it when you saw?

34:13

Like when I when I know it

34:15

was you, I was just spring.

34:18

First of all, the look you have was

34:20

like, oh, this is amazing. Are you

34:22

serious? Of course I

34:24

gotta said the truth.

34:25

And you recognize me from the airplane from the Chicago

34:28

Yeah, okay you.

34:30

And then the thing is afterwards,

34:33

when we did this show, Okay, did I want

34:36

you the second time?

34:38

Really? I didn't? I heard

34:40

different?

34:41

Well, of course you're going to hear different.

34:43

I heard you. I heard you actually did

34:45

not mind.

34:46

Oh wow, wow, wow wow,

34:50

Like I don't want to win.

34:51

Okay, which

34:54

is fine, by the way, Jill, Even if that was the case,

34:56

I believe you. Obviously I'm not. I don't

34:58

believe you. But that's what was told to me. That's why maybe

35:00

you may have during

35:02

that season video.

35:04

The truth is really everybody was

35:06

waiting for this honestly.

35:08

Yeah, no, no, I know it makes.

35:10

No sense for me. First of all, now

35:13

my comfortable I was going to be comfortable.

35:16

I was not going to relearn anything. I was going

35:18

to progress massively

35:20

on everything because is no more. And you tell

35:22

me now you

35:24

want me to lead every Monday, Now you tell

35:27

me better. That was my goal.

35:29

So and then I realized the

35:33

show had changed from

35:36

that nine to twelve.

35:39

And now listen, either you do

35:42

the strictive ballroom type of things

35:44

where in two thousand and nine, if my heel

35:46

was coming out of the floor, I'm a nine. I'm

35:49

a nine show. I was not making

35:51

mistake. Oh yeah.

35:52

But also you're so good, they have to say something.

35:55

They had to whatever it is. So I'm

35:58

a perfectionist. I just loved it. I just

36:01

I wanted to people.

36:01

I know you loved it too much.

36:04

I want people to sit down to say, hey, if

36:07

this guy can do it and he has your

36:09

experience, That's what I'm

36:11

mentioning.

36:11

Jail though, like you don't understand you were on the

36:13

class of your league, of your own still to this day,

36:15

like I don't. You can't say, Okay, my listeners

36:18

are going to say this bullshit, he had no dance experience.

36:21

They can't try to.

36:22

Really, you've never danced, just I know the answer.

36:24

But you've never danced before, not once.

36:28

In my neighborhood. You know, they did the package

36:31

like choreography.

36:31

You never learned ballet, nothing.

36:34

No. The only time that Will did

36:36

I dated someone Will danced before.

36:38

That doesn't matter.

36:39

Oh okay, I thought, well, just because.

36:41

You sleep with a dancer doesn't mean you are a dancer.

36:43

Okay, Oh

36:47

no, no I did. I did, I did

36:49

a dance or whatnot. But I never really danced.

36:51

I never did, not really, I never danced. First

36:53

of all, show if you dance in my neighborhood, this

36:55

is a different story. You don't come out.

36:57

You still don't, right right right? You're not

36:59

wearing lo v next with like a jockstrap

37:02

backwards.

37:02

Yeah no, no, if you want to live, you

37:04

don't do that. So it was the time. My

37:06

time in my neighborhood was at big complex. Even

37:09

though look, I always want to remember, they

37:11

did a package for the final and

37:14

they asked one of the guys from my neighborhood.

37:18

They asked, oh can you paint? Can you tell

37:20

us is your childhood?

37:21

Because because they go to the semi tell that

37:23

my listeners. First, this is the semi finals,

37:25

and they go to your hometown, right

37:28

they they traveled all the way to

37:30

France. Yeah, and

37:32

they you know your mother?

37:34

And then they get to where I live and now the producer

37:37

said, yo, where did you grow up? Like? They

37:39

were like, oh, something is off here, and

37:42

so one of the guys says, what do you want me to tell? Because

37:44

they didn't believe I was dancing, so

37:47

they got mad.

37:48

Oh, then

37:50

like where in France are

37:52

you from? Though you're not from Peris.

37:55

No, it was from the neighborhood down the south right, So

37:58

they're like okay, And then they

38:00

finally gets somebody sitting down

38:02

two fig that's his name, and he's

38:04

like, what do you want to tell the truth or you

38:06

want me to paint of a misery? And

38:09

then he called me. He said, okay, we're

38:11

gonna where can we go in your city

38:13

to see beautiful things? So I told them where and

38:15

I signed my friends because they wanted to surprise

38:17

me. They didn't tell me they were there. Don't

38:20

go there. I mean, now it's different and

38:22

changing, it's great, I guess, but

38:24

back in the days it was not the same. So yeah,

38:27

you gotta beta be careful. And it

38:29

was that story, so it was it was interesting.

38:31

I was seeing, like they didn't show a place

38:35

that us, as kid, we destroyed.

38:37

And I know the director,

38:40

the one who was doing the little segment, showed

38:43

that place in purpose without saying it,

38:45

and I was looking at it in the semi phone.

38:48

I'm like, oh my god, I burned that place. Oh

38:50

my god. And Jimmery don't

38:52

see. I'm like, oh my god. That's that's

38:54

what I was through my mind. It was kind of interesting.

38:57

It was it was a surprise.

39:00

I didn't know.

39:02

You didn't know they went home, they went to

39:04

your house, or you didn't know.

39:06

Only in new show when they got into

39:09

trouble, oh we need help, I'm like,

39:11

where are you? Okay?

39:14

So I call people to drive and show

39:17

them around not to be trouble.

39:19

That's crazy.

39:21

Yeah, it's cool. It's kind of cool. My mom was so

39:23

happy to see them though.

39:24

Oh my gosh, your mom, how is

39:26

she doing.

39:27

She's doing good. You know, she was on dialysis for

39:29

a long time. I mean kidney stuff. And

39:32

now she had the kidney so she's doing better.

39:34

I call her every single day, Cheril. I never missed

39:36

one day.

39:37

I love it.

39:38

I have to.

39:40

Speaking of the semifinals, when did

39:42

this show turn from fun to

39:45

competitive? For you?

39:48

Never, Jill?

39:50

When did he turn fun into a circus?

39:53

I can tell you that.

39:54

Okay, fine, sorry circus second

39:57

time over. No, But in our

39:59

so okay, in your season.

40:01

It became more

40:04

competitive when you get to that semi

40:06

final when they do this dancing

40:08

with other professionals and by the way,

40:12

all the fans out.

40:13

There, the trio, the trios,

40:15

the trio. When we don't we don't

40:17

dance with another celebrity, we dance with another

40:19

who was our partner? Who was who was with us?

40:23

Tony and

40:25

and Mark?

40:27

No, there's only one other

40:29

person. I thought it was quadruple

40:32

four.

40:34

It was you, Tony and Mark doing

40:36

a pink song. No

40:38

no, that was the

40:40

first trio dancing.

40:44

Three final

40:46

in the semi final going into the final. But

40:50

we didn't dance with another pro like we didn't

40:52

do a number with okay, got you? So there

40:54

was a couple.

40:55

It was back in the days. It was strict.

40:58

I love that I freaking love. Remember

41:09

the freestyle. We were going back and forth

41:12

and I was like, I remember you wanted

41:14

to do or for our FREESTI first of all, mind

41:16

you, we have an amazing track record. We didn't get

41:19

lower than like nines. I swear like

41:21

from week to like it

41:23

was just solid. You were solid, and

41:26

obviously people were putting their money on you,

41:28

like it was just the way it is. And

41:30

then you know, you've got Sean Johnson, who's

41:32

like America's sweetheart. Obviously she's

41:34

an Olympian. Then you've got Melissa Ryecroft,

41:37

who just got her heart broken on ABC

41:39

The Bachelorette, right, so you're

41:42

like I was thinking, well, you

41:44

know he we better come out and do the best

41:46

we can as far as dance quality

41:49

goes, because they've got that other

41:51

vote, you know. Like, so I was like I was always thinking,

41:53

like, okay, well, no matter what, all we can

41:55

do is do what we can control, which is our

41:57

movement and our practice and all of it. Hence why

41:59

I was so hard on you. But I was hard on

42:01

you because of your ability.

42:05

By the way you can yell at me

42:07

all along. I would love you.

42:09

I wasn't yelling I don't yell no.

42:11

Yeah, you did it. You did it.

42:13

I'm silent, but deadly. Silent,

42:16

but deadly you did.

42:17

You did exactly what you need to do to

42:20

make me want to do more. That's what I'm gonna

42:22

say.

42:22

Like I said, you really brought

42:24

out the best in me as far as like

42:27

I had to remind people again that I'm

42:29

a dance, professional dancer, because it had been

42:32

season three was the last time I won, and even that

42:34

wasn't dancing to my ability. Yeah,

42:36

I'll never forget Carrie Anne saying after

42:39

our Argentine Tango, which

42:42

mind you, I we got help.

42:44

Like, I'm not even gonna lie, I'm gonna admit

42:47

it all like I have been on this podcast.

42:49

I got help because I didn't want to fake it. I didn't

42:51

want to do a fake Argentine Tango. I

42:53

wanted to learn how to really be

42:56

as authentic as possible when doing such

42:58

an amazing of dance,

43:00

which is not in the ballroom genre, like people don't

43:02

compete Argentine Tanco in our world.

43:05

Then we got the help and

43:07

it was one of the best still to this day dances

43:10

in the history of the show. Yeah,

43:13

from then on, I'll never forget Carrie and said I didn't

43:15

know which one was the pro and which one

43:18

was the celebrity.

43:19

To me, that is that

43:22

is maybe the best compliment you can get really

43:25

from you. To hear that as I'm

43:27

putting myself in the pro shoes, I'm.

43:28

Like, I did this, I do a

43:31

lot of people don't think that that's the case.

43:33

That's silly, because to me is you

43:37

made me want to look

43:39

like a pro every day. You know when

43:41

she said that good since day one.

43:44

I didn't want to see any differences because

43:48

I'm going to say it may be wrong, Sharon,

43:50

you can rectifind me there. I believe it's

43:52

much harder for a man.

43:54

Absolutely okay, So

43:57

a male celebrity, a male celebrity, then a female

43:59

celebrity.

44:00

Of course. Don't want to tell you something.

44:02

When I danced in the final, in the

44:05

semi final, I dance with against professional

44:07

dancers. Absolutely not female

44:10

a woman. If the guy is a max

44:13

or is it Derek take you

44:15

I take I can't. I learned that from them.

44:17

I can't take any woman today and make

44:20

them believe the dancers and they they

44:22

have too left feet lead them

44:25

to make them feel you

44:27

know.

44:27

That's why. Oh yeah,

44:29

so for me, I put a French skirt on the

44:31

girl put some fringe on her.

44:33

Only two max. The people will compare

44:36

me to to the pro I'm not the pro guys.

44:38

Give me they did not. No one compared

44:40

you to the pros.

44:42

You think that's all I heard,

44:45

because when you look at two dancers, you're like, well,

44:48

of course he does that. Yeah, she's the pro. Man

44:50

an one and half left

44:52

feet. Let me, let me, let me try.

44:55

The man had that thing that now

44:57

I could maybe portrayed because it takes time.

45:00

They had that thing of really

45:02

pecking you into a world wind. You

45:04

were helping me to go left right

45:07

then people, you know I never led

45:09

you.

45:10

You was no, Yes you did, Yes,

45:12

you did a little bit. Argentine

45:14

Tango was I think, going back to the question

45:16

of when did it get competitive, it was after

45:19

that dance and because the

45:21

potential you had you also for Argentine

45:23

Tango, I didn't know as much anything.

45:25

Really, I just knew how to fake it, I thought. But

45:28

remember we got like I didn't. I

45:30

didn't want to fake it, so I knew I was going

45:32

into this dance as a student as

45:34

well. Yeah, and you

45:36

led me.

45:37

Jill, Oh wow, the first time

45:39

I'd hear that, No, but you do.

45:41

You had to because there was no clear beat in

45:43

my head. I count to eight right,

45:45

like, I'm like five six seven, eight, and I didn't understand

45:48

what the hell this was. Honestly, it

45:50

was like, listen to the instruments. What didn't like? I wasn't

45:52

listening to that nuances like this

45:55

is a different right, hence

45:57

why you led me.

45:59

Wow, that's cool. I have

46:01

the best time in my life for this, for sure.

46:03

And then from then on the

46:05

competitive I don't do you remember when I

46:07

had to sit you down so I keep there

46:09

after the semifinals and I was like, okay,

46:12

look, I was like, we can

46:14

win this whole thing, but we

46:16

cannot show how much we want to win.

46:19

Do you remember, Yeah, of course.

46:22

Yeah, it's true. It's very thin.

46:26

It's a fine line.

46:27

Yeah, I s thin line. Because you

46:30

don't care, you love it, and you do something nice. People

46:32

say, oh you care, you want to do something

46:34

amazing. People say this

46:36

is too strong for me.

46:38

Okay, damn if you

46:40

do, damned if you don't.

46:41

Right, Yeah, you're absolutely right.

46:44

Yeah.

46:44

So I'm going to go back to the question, when

46:46

did it get competitive for you now

46:49

we say past, yeah, for

46:51

sure, because I blew my that

46:53

ship was so good though.

46:54

I blew my I blew my. H.

46:58

I remember it don't rotator

47:00

cuff.

47:01

Rotator cuff gone, clavical

47:03

gone, the classic stop in

47:05

half and the ac joint was s

47:08

floating around And I did the entire

47:11

season with that.

47:12

Why didn't you say anything?

47:13

I want to ask you a question because you may know that

47:16

question that answered. Who

47:18

knows those those numbers? Which lawyer.

47:20

First of all, the fact that we know that it's under

47:23

less than one percent is not because I was told

47:25

by an exact, not by Conrad, because Conrad

47:27

was the showrunner back then and now came

47:29

back. But look, all I

47:31

know is this. I went to Saint Lucia after

47:34

we're going to get there. But like anyway, I was in the Caribbean

47:36

app right after our season with my ex boyfriend.

47:39

I was so depressed, and

47:41

I remember Conrad calling me and

47:44

telling me it was so

47:46

close, Cheryl, like it was so like

47:48

by hundreds of votes. That is

47:50

a quote.

47:51

That's crazy.

47:52

And you were talking season eight. This was

47:55

the height of the show success.

47:57

Like we're talking twenty

47:59

million and just on a regular night

48:02

finale must have been like twenty four to twenty

48:04

five million, and

48:06

to lose by Esse a hundreds

48:10

of boats. Oh my god, it still hurts.

48:12

But like going back. So I

48:15

had Melissa Ryecroft on this podcast

48:17

and then so she mentioned to me, mind

48:19

you, she spoke highly of you, but

48:22

then she said, there was a change in you when

48:25

we would be rehearsing and like at CBS,

48:27

you know that hallway that like you would

48:29

stop basically being

48:32

friendly with her and Sean. We

48:36

Sean with both of them when we

48:38

were heading into the finals, like when it was really

48:40

like, oh my god, we were super like you

48:42

know in it, don't.

48:44

I remember all the nightmares

48:48

on twenty twelve for

48:51

a very very specific reason that I need

48:53

to pull it the fifth until the show dies. When the show

48:55

dies, I can talk about it and that everybody

48:57

will say, oh wow,

48:59

you're really say nothing to people and I'm

49:01

going to do something bad to you. So I would not say

49:03

a thing because.

49:04

You know, so you didn't So you didn't

49:07

see this because like it was, it made the press. When

49:09

I interviewed her about this.

49:11

Honestly, I did. We

49:13

talked about the season between.

49:14

You no so yes,

49:16

between us. So when Melissa Ryecraft I interviewed

49:19

her just like a few months ago here and she basically

49:21

said that Gill stopped being friendly to me and

49:24

became very competitive.

49:26

Wow, I

49:28

mean for me, it's hard to compete against. I'm

49:30

sorry to say a woman that

49:33

is a dancer

49:37

who's dancing with the pro dancer.

49:41

It was their time. I mean it was to dance.

49:44

I didn't even time to breathe.

49:45

So you're saying that you never felt like you you

49:48

didn't change your personality or

49:50

like your demeanor towards that.

49:52

I felt in the second time for sure you

49:54

did. For sure.

49:56

Okay, well, can you talk to me then about

49:58

that? Like, first of all, the

50:00

feeling knowing that we didn't win, How did you

50:02

feel about that? Was that shocking for you?

50:04

Were you sad?

50:05

Watch again the moment she wins, exploding

50:08

happiness. Why she's

50:10

a mind Sean is a minor.

50:13

Let me repeat this a little.

50:14

Loud back then, minor

50:16

back then.

50:17

I'm going to leave it there, Mark,

50:20

Everything's fine, very good.

50:22

And then she went, you

50:27

weren't upset. Come on, I was upset. You weren't

50:29

upset.

50:29

I want to tell you the truth. Psychologically speaking,

50:32

I always been close to psychology. Psychologically

50:35

speaking, you should be upset. If I win

50:37

against a seventeen year old, the world

50:39

will have forgot me. Oh

50:41

he's the best. Of course, we

50:43

wanted to win. Never mad mistakes.

50:45

He never did this in his fucking life. He

50:48

did beautifully a lot of different things. And next

50:50

thing, you know, he loses by five

50:52

mins. Good points. Great. I wanted to win.

50:54

Why because it's great. She's like you said,

50:56

American sweetheart, Olympic. What

50:58

am I a little friendship that just somehow

51:01

knows how.

51:01

That it doesn't matter though our track record,

51:03

it was like, of.

51:04

Course we were leading the thing

51:07

we understand. But her freestyle, the

51:10

freestyle take

51:12

away, the nine to ten, then make

51:14

a swing. I don't think they will have met only win.

51:17

If they met me win, definitely,

51:19

I will not have the career I have today because

51:21

everybody wanted to see me after that show. Everybody

51:25

executive, we do some TV shows, on movies,

51:28

you know, because people were upset I didn't win, so they

51:30

want to give me something and.

51:31

That was oh interesting.

51:33

Now now nobody sees that. But when

51:36

she won, you know, I was waiting, so I

51:38

said, man, you should make me win now, I'm

51:40

done.

51:42

Give her all the problem this mindset

51:45

when we were standing there and with the heartbeat

51:47

was heartbeating in the room.

51:49

If they called me, I would have been so

51:52

so wait and proud

51:54

for you.

51:55

But your mind frame wasn't like that then.

51:58

No, I didn't.

51:59

But how were you you feeling right then and

52:01

there when they were about to announce the winner?

52:03

Uh? You like shocked?

52:06

Yeah?

52:06

Yeah, you in shock? I don't you

52:09

in shock? You know? I watched sometimes the

52:11

voice and you see the guys

52:13

in shock when they get their name called out and kicked

52:15

out whatnot.

52:16

But you weren't upset. You were fine with it. You made

52:18

peace with it.

52:19

I was at peace before I would have conversation

52:22

with a lot of friends. He said, if you win this, you're

52:24

done.

52:26

You never told me that, No, because

52:29

you should have.

52:30

You wanted to win, and I understand, I know.

52:32

But if I wanted to win for you.

52:35

Oh No. We went to the final

52:37

and we showed everyone. I

52:39

can't ask everybody who

52:41

did well, I can't ask the judge.

52:43

They gave me all the tents, so I know I'm

52:46

proud of what we did. That the result

52:48

is not what it should be. It's not my problem

52:50

because look what happened afterwards.

52:52

Right then and there, this whole, my whole perspective

52:55

change on the show. I knew right then and there it didn't

52:57

matter if the dancing was great. It mattered

52:59

more about the storyline. And I felt

53:01

like, look, if there was one thing we could have maybe

53:04

done better, would be not be so competitive.

53:07

Maybe maybe something in the package

53:09

maybe rubbed people the wrong way. Maybe

53:13

then all stars happened, right

53:18

I heard you requested Peter.

53:22

I don't know, Peter, no, but you.

53:24

Must have seen her dance like from previous

53:26

seasons, and.

53:27

I promised you in my life again. I

53:30

watched the.

53:30

Show because I had three of my partners

53:32

on the show. I had Emmitt Smith, who had

53:34

requested me supposedly, Drew is

53:38

the legend.

53:38

If you said I want this, he's going to get that.

53:41

But then I heard that you said that you didn't

53:43

care if it.

53:43

Was that you please

53:46

bring me that person for my face.

53:47

I can't. I don't know. I'm not mentioning

53:49

the.

53:50

Why would I not want to win, because

53:53

now the story would have been that

53:55

one. It would have been like, oh, you

53:57

should have won. Now lets see what you can

53:59

bring with shell, and the difference between

54:01

the front and dancer would have not existed. They

54:04

would have been so mad because I

54:06

would have I would have I would have not make a

54:08

mistake again and better now

54:10

had experience.

54:11

No, you have never made a mistake though regardless.

54:14

I didn't want to. But I'm telling you

54:16

it would have been more like something more. You would

54:18

have taught me five hundred more things.

54:20

And by the way, love Peter.

54:23

She's a sweetheart. We are a blast.

54:25

It wasn't like until three am

54:28

the better work. It was very calm with

54:30

Peter. I was like, it's okay. I'm like, oh

54:32

shit, I hope I'm good enough and

54:34

that's it. That was very different.

54:36

What was the biggest difference between us, like teaching

54:39

style?

54:40

Of course you also had someone that had like really want

54:42

to have foot people don't. I

54:45

can dance, but you need to teach me, and

54:47

that It was not like, oh you know,

54:49

can you do this now? I'm like, what do you mean to volta?

54:52

I don't know what is it. It's like a meter for a battery.

54:54

No, no, this is tomba. I

54:57

don't know. Some wasright,

54:59

don't make me somebody again.

55:01

But it was great with us we did together.

55:04

I was enamored with with learning

55:06

something new that was

55:08

priceless.

55:10

The second was Max an influence in your

55:12

guys's partnership. The one

55:14

may was Max helping you through

55:16

that All Stars.

55:18

Because Max and Peter was kind of new,

55:21

oh, and it was so fresh that

55:23

it was like ebulition for

55:25

them. It was like the how you call.

55:26

That, you know, the

55:28

six honeymoon, the honeymoon.

55:30

Stage, So it was it was great that she was

55:32

super focused the ups and down of the You know

55:35

what, It's tough because when you're an artist

55:37

and you do this, you

55:39

have to also think about I'm gonna go do this

55:41

with somebody with the family and with their problems

55:44

you have to do you have to think that way.

55:47

So you have to manipulate this and juggle

55:49

the right way. I think always when you're

55:51

a guy, is much more simpler for

55:53

man to to to make to

55:55

make to make someone feel a little bit

55:58

more that he is at peace, so

56:00

they can't teach you more because in that

56:02

situation, I can be like, oh,

56:04

I don't care about what's happening in your life. I

56:06

want to learn this, and then it's not going to be it's

56:08

going to be terrifying, so I had to juggle what I love

56:10

to do that with human beings anyway, So yeah,

56:13

it was great. Max didn't help me at all. Even

56:16

worse. You can hear this. Max

56:18

was like super hard with me on the Gang Game Style

56:20

because it was tired. Are you kidding

56:22

me? And every time I ask what do

56:24

you mean?

56:25

What do you mean? He was hard on you.

56:27

Every time I asked, well, I want to do something and say,

56:29

oh, you shut up. You

56:31

don't know. I'm like, okay, I don't know, but

56:34

you know how the answers are what

56:36

I want to say. I quit. I live. No,

56:38

then on the on the on the on the Monday

56:40

night, that's what it shows.

56:43

So I said nothing. No, you didn't help me. Every

56:46

time I asked any guy something, they were

56:48

looking at me. So you you shut up,

56:50

you're great. They never try to help me.

56:52

You help me, you want me to look good?

56:54

They not. They didn't help me. I mean, if

56:57

somebody really want time helped.

57:00

What is the name of this guy? He used

57:02

to be world champion more walls. He

57:04

looks a little bit tony, but no Roberts.

57:08

No, he was married to the John

57:11

Roberts, Johnathan to help me for

57:15

this. He helped me a beautiful frame.

57:18

Quick question, really quick before rapid fire, because

57:21

I can talk to you forever. What

57:24

do you regret doing All Stars?

57:26

Yes?

57:27

Why?

57:29

Because in

57:33

one sentence would have been canceled.

57:35

You would never get canceled, my friend, I.

57:37

Don't, I don't like I

57:40

detest line two, my

57:44

viewers

57:47

and packages. It was that

57:50

and more of course the watch. There's

57:53

a lot of things that goes under the

57:55

world of the ballroom dance. You

57:58

and I know you're smiling it. You know what's happening

58:00

back the back door. So a

58:02

lot of things did not happen the same way as.

58:05

The But tell my listeners they deserve

58:07

to know.

58:09

It's it's it's listen. If

58:11

I'm gonna be frank, If my son

58:15

wants to become a bodroom dancer, I

58:17

will say, be rigid,

58:19

be strong, dedicate yourself, but never

58:22

disrespect the women.

58:23

M hmm.

58:24

If my daughter wants to become a vodroom dancer, I

58:27

probably will say please don't because

58:30

not only it's difficult, it's very tough for women

58:33

because they put down a lot and it's

58:35

more than competitive. You just sometimes move

58:37

their mindset. They see the world in the way

58:39

that they maybe should not have towards

58:42

when they come to the real world.

58:44

There's a lot of pressure that

58:46

comes down.

58:47

With well, you're talking more from the show's perspective,

58:49

because that's all you know. You don't really know

58:51

the competitive world as much back then, At

58:53

least back then, I didn't.

58:55

Know until I learned a lot, and and and

58:59

and maybe five six years when

59:01

everything settled down, people will know.

59:03

People will know that there's a lot of things that happened that were

59:05

not really national happening.

59:16

We're going to move on to rapid fire. My

59:18

friend, get hold onto your seatbelts.

59:21

This is going to be a crazy one.

59:22

I'm with you little.

59:23

We're going to talk about Cheryl versus Peta. I'm

59:26

going to talk about myself in third person. Who

59:28

pushed you harder in rehearsals? Peter or

59:30

Cheryl most intimidating? Don't

59:32

say most

59:34

of.

59:34

Them to me today. I have to be Cheryl because I

59:36

didn't know anything.

59:38

Who had more fun during rehearsals?

59:42

Peta? Why I tell

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you, Oh, that's good, and

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it was good.

59:49

We did great, right, I mean compared

59:52

to a lot of for other partners. You were freeing great

59:54

and you're welcome.

59:55

Peta.

59:55

He came and trained.

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I came in trained. Oh my god, I wanted to do more

59:59

old way. Yeah. I know.

1:00:01

One word to describe your chemistry with me.

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I have the word in French, but I

1:00:09

have to translay in French meaning

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I was completely and I'm worked with you from

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your professionalism to your eddication

1:00:20

and to your life story.

1:00:23

I love you. One word

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for your chemistry with Peter A

1:00:29

blast, fun most

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challenging dance style with me.

1:00:36

Definitely the somebody.

1:00:42

It's so good, though, Peter

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have it with Peter Bollywood

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because she.

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Didn't know anything for Sunday night. I didn't know anything

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Sunday night, and would you let's

1:00:54

go let's google it.

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The night the night before the show Saturday.

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In Mia Nie, she's crying on the floor bleeding

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for my knee. I'm bleeding for my knees and

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say we can't do those moves now because we're bleeding.

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On the knees from Bollywood

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the stile.

1:01:09

There, I got kick in the air and I got

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Z and then when she gets there,

1:01:14

the coins shred me like a cat

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eating you. So I'm bleeding when I'm getting a result.

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This is why it's a ballroom show.

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Yeah, I'll by the way, Yeah, when

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he became a circus, I'm like, are you serious? I

1:01:27

should have fourteen.

1:01:28

Out of ten who had the

1:01:30

tougher critique, mir or Peter.

1:01:32

I definitely definitely you.

1:01:36

Okay, if looking back at both experiences

1:01:38

you had on the show, was the most valuable lesson you've

1:01:40

learned that you've carried forward in your personal

1:01:43

life and career from yours,

1:01:45

truly for me.

1:01:47

That nothing

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is impossible. You just

1:01:52

have to work at it.

1:01:54

If you could do a rematch and only redo

1:01:56

our freestyle with what you

1:01:58

know today about the show, what song

1:02:01

and dance would you want to do for it?

1:02:03

I always wanted to do a routine

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with you. I'm gonna have to tell the viewers that I

1:02:08

always wanted to do a modern job.

1:02:11

Oh no, I

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can't dance. I'm gonna dance modern heels like

1:02:16

I cannot do barefoot. I don't understand how

1:02:18

people dance barefoot.

1:02:19

You can't do heels if you want, But I know

1:02:21

you and I would have pierced the screen

1:02:24

and then would have been burnt to

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the ground.

1:02:27

Have you ever seen my contemporary I'm just saying.

1:02:29

Contemporary, Yes, good

1:02:31

man, can we do a rumba?

1:02:33

Please? We'll just do a rumba contemporary?

1:02:36

Fan questions Which season

1:02:39

did you enjoy the most at lose Mato?

1:02:43

Definitely your season because

1:02:45

everything was so buggy amazing.

1:02:48

It was so new everything. Oh my god, I

1:02:50

know it was a good one. It was a really good one. Were

1:02:53

you bummed when you weren't partner with Cheryl during

1:02:55

the All Star season at schrei y'all twenty

1:02:57

one? What were

1:03:00

you bummed out when you weren't partnered

1:03:02

with me during the Ull Star season?

1:03:05

I was that. I was surprised. I

1:03:07

was like, oh, they don't want

1:03:09

me to okay, so when do they want me

1:03:11

to go? And then I knew was quite

1:03:14

a final.

1:03:15

But they didn't ask you

1:03:18

do you don't ask me anything? Wait?

1:03:21

So you knew? So did you expect

1:03:23

to be it was gonna be?

1:03:25

Wait?

1:03:25

When did you find out?

1:03:26

I was expecting to be either with you?

1:03:29

Karen asked me or off I so heard quickly

1:03:31

She's like, maybe they're going to partner me

1:03:34

with you?

1:03:34

That would have been good.

1:03:36

And then they gave me Pitera and Pierre and they, oh, nice

1:03:38

to meet you. What is your last name, and I wasn't.

1:03:40

But you didn't know this going signing onto

1:03:43

this show.

1:03:43

No, my god, no, they probably looked.

1:03:45

Again. I'm not someone who asked much.

1:03:48

That always was my problem. But if you Emma

1:03:50

smiss she said, hey, I won't shorew I don't go. What are

1:03:52

they gonna do? No, we're

1:03:54

not going to give you a shayl. If I say that,

1:03:57

maybe they would have gave me you. I don't know,

1:03:59

because maybe rating wise, I was more important at

1:04:01

that time than Emmett. But I

1:04:03

didn't ask. And that's oh my wife,

1:04:05

Carol, and you know really well is hell, I'm done with you?

1:04:08

You think the people are gonna think with your brain

1:04:10

and say, oh yeah, of course, open

1:04:13

your mouth. Birds that don't sing, don't

1:04:15

get fed. I'm like, okay,

1:04:17

yeah, it was a new experience. It

1:04:19

was don't go. Don't get me wrong. It was great with pet.

1:04:21

I was super easy to do every dance.

1:04:23

It was so easy. I gotta say it was so

1:04:26

easy. I was looking for work. I

1:04:28

was like more more more.

1:04:29

It was She's like, let's

1:04:31

go have lunch. No kidding, okay,

1:04:33

what are you current projects that you're

1:04:35

that you're working on that you want to promote anything.

1:04:38

Oh cool. I just the

1:04:40

movie just came out two weeks ago called Crimes

1:04:42

of Fashion. It's a it's a home Mark series.

1:04:44

So I'm starting the first movie now I.

1:04:47

Saw problems for it.

1:04:48

What an amazing company

1:04:50

to work with.

1:04:51

I gotta say, where do you see? How

1:04:53

do how do you watch it?

1:04:54

Where?

1:04:54

Where is it?

1:04:55

Aaron Hallmark, Hallmark Mysteries.

1:04:58

It's a It's Amark homek Mystery

1:05:00

on Mark Trauma, I believe. And they have three

1:05:02

main channels,

1:05:06

Dark Feathers. I just shot a thriller,

1:05:11

a TV show for Amazon that is coming out

1:05:13

next month called Beyond Black Beauty. Really

1:05:16

amazing stories about, of course Black

1:05:19

beauty, but now it's Beyond Black Beauty is a story

1:05:21

about the Restrian world. Love

1:05:24

that murder company. I'm

1:05:26

playing a sniper. Incredible action film

1:05:30

coming from a true story in the Second World War.

1:05:32

That's awesome. Yeah.

1:05:33

No, he's been doing. I've been doing. I've been

1:05:35

doing. He's been He's been great. It was

1:05:37

really really tough because there

1:05:39

was like a movement in Hollywood that just

1:05:42

like when Haywire. So I

1:05:44

got cold a little bit. But now the

1:05:46

time fly and I'm

1:05:49

back to work. So it's good.

1:05:50

Where can people find you? Not like your address,

1:05:53

but like where can people find you?

1:05:56

I am an Instagram person. I

1:05:58

don't know to talk too much, but it's

1:06:00

just YOUMORNI on Instagram and this is why I do.

1:06:02

I love you so much, and tell Carol I'll give her my

1:06:04

love and your kids everything.

1:06:06

She's outside naked taking

1:06:08

time.

1:06:09

You and your wife being naked all the time as you

1:06:11

guys can.

1:06:12

I love you.

1:06:14

Thank you all so much for listening, and since you guys

1:06:16

have been loving the podcast so much, especially

1:06:18

when I do recaps of past seasons, we

1:06:20

decided to make it a series, so make sure to not only

1:06:22

listen every Monday's for the interview portion, but

1:06:24

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1:06:27

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1:06:29

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1:06:31

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1:06:34

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1:06:38

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1:06:46

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