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This is Sex, Lies and Spray Tands

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is an entertainment guru. Dave Quinn

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is a senior editor for People working across

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author of the number one New York Times best selling

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book Not All Diamonds and Rose,

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The inside story of the Real Housewives

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from the people who lived it. Please welcome

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to the show, Dave Quinn, Welcome

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back.

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I'm so happy to be here. It's so good to see you.

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Have you been following the Golden bachelore at all,

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because I haven't seen one episode of either

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The Bachelor, Bachelorette or Golden Anything.

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How have you avoided all of this? Uh,

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it's gotta been don't worry.

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I can keep myself busy.

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There is a lot going on. Yes, I have been following

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it, and it was a big shocker. They

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were married for just two months

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before their divorce, so it's a real big

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shocker for everyone who watched the show.

1:04

You know, the show was such an opportunity for people

1:07

to sort of believe in love again, especially

1:10

at that age. Like the big message

1:12

of that show was there's still chance for you out

1:15

there. And now it was like, oh.

1:18

I don't buy so Nick Viil was just

1:20

talking about this on his podcast, who was also

1:22

a former contestant on Dancing, and

1:24

he basically said, I just don't buy it. There's something

1:26

missing here. As far as you

1:28

know, Gary though it's spelled Jerry,

1:31

but his name is Gary and Teresa

1:33

how they announced their divorce. Like I did see

1:35

that small clip I think on Good Morning America

1:38

about how you know the reason behind

1:40

it, But I knew they were going to do like a whole like nightline

1:43

deadline special on it. But like I

1:45

still think people are left kind of with

1:47

questions that have been unanswered in a way

1:50

like you talk. I mean, like even

1:52

if it's just I know it's a quick turnaround, Like don't

1:54

get me wrong here, I know that's not normal, but

1:57

like I think this is the problem

1:59

with today'snxiety, is that like we

2:01

look to TV to find or

2:04

to have hope again, and it's like you

2:06

got regardless if this is the Notebook or The

2:08

Bachelor or Golden Bachelor. It is

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not real, Like, it's just not. And I'm

2:13

not trying to be like, oh, I'm a divorce woman, like

2:15

everyone needs to never believe in love, No, but

2:17

like everyone has their own journey, right like,

2:19

and it's not. There's not it's not black and white.

2:22

Yeah, the fairy tale of Happily ever

2:24

After is just that. It's a fiction. It's a

2:26

piece of it's a story that isn't based

2:29

in reality. It's very hard to

2:31

have that. And I did

2:34

hear what Nick said, and I kind of understand

2:36

that. Listen, there is probably more of the story.

2:38

The way they've sold it is that distance

2:41

was the issue. He lives in Indiana, she

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lives in New Jersey. They

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have kids, they have grandkids. It's a lot

2:47

to ask for that sort of thing. But I've

2:50

heard also through some sources that age

2:52

has a big thing to do with it, that at their age,

2:54

they're kind of like, why am I going to pretend that this

2:56

is working when I only have the xCE

2:58

amount of years left and I want to jump right

3:00

in and figure this out with someone else.

3:03

But why did they sign on to do the show? Too?

3:05

It's like I see both sides

3:08

for sure, but like, look, and this is the

3:10

dangerous part about these types of shows is that

3:12

you are on this thrill Like it's the same

3:14

thing with Dancing with the Stars. Seriously, like

3:17

you you believe you're in this bubble. You

3:19

only see this person, right, and then

3:21

if you have a little bit of competitiveness in you,

3:23

you're like, I'm going to get this person. And

3:25

then you get them and you're like, you know, lights,

3:28

camera, like we're done, Like we're done shooting

3:30

you. There's no more mics or anything. It's

3:32

like do you really like this person?

3:34

Like at the end of the day, And it takes time

3:36

to be able to answer the question, like you

3:38

have to really sit in it for a while and get

3:40

to know the person behind the glitz and

3:43

the glam.

3:44

Yeah, of course I remember that from that movie

3:46

Speed. This is how I'm dating myself too,

3:48

right, the whole like dating

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no, no, no, But that movie

3:53

with Sandra Bullock and Counter Reaves, Like that was the

3:55

whole message of it, that like relationships

3:57

that start in these like high stress situations don't

3:59

work out in the long run. And I believe

4:02

that to be fully true. I can see that there's

4:04

like a pressure cooker and it feels

4:06

perfect in a certain place, but it doesn't.

4:08

But the distance thing I don't understand either.

4:10

That would be like me going on American Idol

4:12

and winning and then being like I never wanted to sing,

4:15

you know, like you're going on the Bachelor,

4:17

You're going on the Golden Bachelor. You have to be

4:19

prepared to fall in love and change

4:21

your whole life for it, So I don't buy

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it.

4:24

Do you think that people have lost hope?

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Like, do you think that? Okay, I know they were getting revved

4:29

up to do a Golden Bachelorette soon.

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Is that is that true or is that just a rumor?

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No, No, they're working on it. Yeah.

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Do you think that that is going to like you think

4:37

because of this situation in

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the way it ended up, that the ratings are

4:41

going to still be like crazy

4:44

amazing like it was for Golden Bachelor, or do you

4:46

think it's going to affect people's opinions tuning

4:48

in.

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I think it will still be really good and the ratings

4:51

will still be high. And the reason why is

4:53

because we haven't seen you

4:55

know, quote unquote women of a certain age

4:58

in that environment and how yeah,

5:00

how they sort of approach it. So it'll be fascinating

5:02

to see what a female Golden Bachelor.

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I'm air quoting for everyone because I'm

5:08

not trying to be a bessive, but like what a female

5:10

Golden Bachelor believes and how

5:12

she approaches dating and how that's different

5:15

from some of the younger

5:18

bachelorettes.

5:19

Why do you think this has been such a hit gold

5:22

is It Bachelor?

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Well? I think I had watched The Bachelor

5:26

really like random. I'm not a big fan

5:29

of romance TV. I had watched

5:31

the Juan Pablo season, which most people say

5:33

was like the worst season there was, so I think

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I had a bad entryway into it.

5:38

But what I liked about the Golden Bacherette

5:40

is it did feel sort of inspiring.

5:43

There was a community amongst the women that

5:46

they sort of said to one another, if

5:49

it doesn't work out, that's okay, you know, and

5:51

like, I'm here to support you, and this is great

5:53

that he picked you and he didn't pick me, which

5:55

isn't what it really normally feels like. So

5:57

it was nice to sort of see that old

6:00

were all feeling and he seemed to handle

6:03

their rejections in a very caring

6:05

kind way. Yes, I'm sure certain

6:07

people don't say that who are hurt by it.

6:10

It just felt different a little bit.

6:13

Some people are saying that, like or maybe it's because

6:15

of his history, Like the skeletons are finally

6:17

coming out, What does that mean? So what happened? What

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has been revealed?

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Well, there's skeletons in everyone's closet. He's

6:23

been nice that there's any skeletons in there.

6:25

But once again, I say this because I say this with housewives

6:27

all the time, do not go on television

6:30

if there are any skeletons in your closet,

6:33

just don't do it unless you're

6:35

ready for it all to be exposed.

6:36

There no such thing as secrets.

6:38

There's no such thing as secrets.

6:40

Not if you're putting yourself out there and

6:42

look.

6:42

It must be hard. I think anybody who puts

6:44

themselves in the public eye this way, I

6:47

have such respect for them. I think they're in

6:49

a weird way superheroes, because I don't think

6:51

I would ever be able to do it. I

6:53

am not a conflict oriented person.

6:56

I always say, if you threw a glass of wine in my face,

6:58

I would apologize to you. I don't

7:00

know what.

7:00

I'm so sorry the producer made me

7:03

do it exactly.

7:04

And I just think that like the I

7:06

don't know, I think you really have to be ready to expose

7:09

at all. And I don't know. I mean,

7:11

you've been in the public eye for so long o

7:13

there are people's opinions of you on social

7:15

media that must be so crippling.

7:18

It is. But I love the delete button and I block

7:20

button, and I love it all and I do that and

7:23

I know and I hope I get to the point where I don't

7:25

have to do that, that it doesn't phaze me. But to say that

7:27

it doesn't affect me, I'd be totally

7:29

lying, you know, like

7:32

it's just for me. Also, what I

7:34

have to understand is that this

7:36

is maybe just like an

7:39

exaggerated truth, right

7:41

of like my story. So like sometimes

7:43

and of course people print stuff

7:45

because they obviously want to get

7:48

clicks nowadays no and longer magazines,

7:50

even though magazines are still out, which I don't understand.

7:52

But yeah, so like obviously

7:55

you know, it's a business. Now. What I

7:57

don't love, and I think this is a good

7:59

segue is into getting into like Jojo

8:01

Siwa of it all. Look,

8:04

I am not going to

8:06

say that I've always wanted to be famous, because

8:08

that's not true, right, Like, I don't think

8:10

for me, it was like I've always wanted to be a dancer,

8:13

and I always wanted to be a ballroom

8:15

dance champion, like a United States

8:17

ballroom dance champion. And what

8:20

happened was that a show, Dancing with the

8:22

Stars started season one

8:25

and it literally just fell into

8:27

my lap, right So like, obviously

8:30

though, I have now continued

8:33

on this path and now I

8:35

can say that I am

8:37

definitely not perfect. I'm still figuring out who

8:39

I am as a person, and I don't think i'll I don't think

8:41

you're ever like, uh, I know my identity.

8:44

I think it really is. We all evolve

8:46

and it changes right over time. And

8:49

but what I'm not scared of, and I think this could

8:51

be from the therapy decades of therapy

8:53

I've done, is the fact that I am an

8:55

open book. Do I have skeletons,

8:58

yes, but nothing that you guys have never heard before, for

9:00

you know what I mean. And for me that's okay because

9:02

I'm human, like, I don't care what people have

9:04

to say, and to be quite honest, it's really

9:06

no one's business. Right, So yeah,

9:10

but yes, you're right. You have to be willing

9:12

to be whatever that is,

9:14

you know, and it's okay to change, but you have to be your

9:17

who you are and stick true to that because

9:21

it is a downward slope if you're in

9:23

this business for being an attention

9:26

seeker or anything like that, like it's just

9:28

it does. It is not sustainable.

9:30

Put it that way, one hundred percent. And

9:32

it goes back to what Nick was saying about thinking

9:34

that there's more to this story. The truth

9:36

always comes out. So no matter how long

9:39

you want to pretend that it's not there, I

9:41

guarantee you we will find out exactly

9:44

what went wrong between the two of them, because you

9:46

know, they're not talking right now. They did that interview

9:48

with Nightline with Jiujuchang and now they're

9:51

not speaking to anyone else. And I guarantee

9:53

you that will go away, and

9:55

at some point somebody will say something, maybe

9:58

even on the.

9:59

Vile Follows or maybe when they were

10:01

cast to do Dancing with the Stars, that would be really

10:03

smart. If anyone's listening,

10:06

they shouldn't just cast Gary, they should

10:08

also cast his partner ex partner,

10:10

Teresa.

10:11

Teresa, Yeah, that would be good.

10:13

Yeah, because I've never done that. I've it's

10:15

been like I've always wanted if you're going to do this,

10:17

which is a given, like we get why they always

10:19

cast a bachelor bachelorette like it is within the

10:21

family. Fine, but let's change

10:23

it up. Let's put both people on, like

10:26

I would have loved to see charities, you

10:28

know, fiance on or like whatever it

10:30

is like to really battle it out. But

10:32

by the way, that would be a great

10:35

package for most Memorable night if they

10:37

can really just reveal what happened or

10:39

they're each each of their because it's

10:41

you know, there's two sides to every story.

10:43

Really, So once again, you're the best

10:45

Dancing with the Stars casting director. I

10:49

just do you have such good ideas for casting

10:51

that show in disrespect

10:53

to the actual people would do that job. But they

10:55

better be listening to you.

10:57

That's fine, I think it's I mean, obviously I'm giving

10:59

free information here, You're welcome. But if

11:01

we see both of them on, you know, it'll be our dirty

11:03

little secret. Well I guess not just us, right

11:05

exactly? Do

11:15

you remember Honeybooboo was on Dancing

11:17

with the Stars Juniors. Do you remember did you watch Juniors

11:19

oh yes, yeah, what did you think

11:22

of her?

11:23

Honeypoo, who is a character we've seen her since

11:25

she was a kid grow up in the public eye. You

11:28

know, she didn't do very well on that show,

11:30

if I don't remember correctly.

11:33

So there's a headline now right now that says

11:36

that basically her mom admits

11:38

that she spent all of her

11:41

daughter's entire paycheck that

11:43

from that show, which is

11:46

gives me, it makes my skin crawl. Actually,

11:49

I mean kudos, I guess to her

11:51

for holding herself accountable and saying

11:53

that like that shit would that

11:55

couldn't have been easy, right, And

11:59

what I was most and surprised about when

12:01

looking into this was like her

12:03

real names Alana Thompson, by the way, but when

12:05

she was basically like, she's very

12:07

educated about this, like she's honey

12:10

booboo, seems to have her shit together when

12:12

it comes to her finances. Like I was actually

12:15

shocked at the fact because a lot of people

12:17

like, look, I was guilty in the beginning

12:20

of my run on this show. You

12:22

know, I didn't want to know and nor did I

12:24

care to know, Like I just you know, and with

12:26

that, you know, you get you take the repercussions

12:29

of like where money's being spent. But

12:32

she seems very knowledgeable and to the

12:34

point where like you can't mess around.

12:36

So maybe that's why she's coming clean, meaning

12:38

like maybe she caught her mom taking her money.

12:42

Yeah, you know, this is such a complicated

12:44

situation because as

12:46

we know Mom of June, and this all

12:49

I think came out in her reality show, Mama

12:51

Yes in Crisis on week TV, and

12:55

we know that she's an addict and she had

12:57

some serious issues really fiction, Yeah,

13:00

and that's what she spent the money on. She spent it

13:02

on allegedly on crack, actually

13:04

on drugs. You know, there's a lot of

13:07

anger coming from Mama

13:09

June's daughter about this, and I would feel

13:11

the exact same way. You know, she was expressing

13:13

on the show that she is struggling

13:17

to pay for college and having to you

13:19

know, this was a big chunk of

13:21

money that she had.

13:22

Oh yeah, Actually, to be

13:24

exact in this article, they

13:26

even like call out numbers. Mama

13:29

June and Shannon address allegations about her

13:31

spending. In an April twenty twenty four interview

13:33

with The Daily Bill, she admitted to spending the thirty five

13:35

thousand net pay from her daughter's

13:37

sixty thousand Dancing with the

13:39

Star's paycheck, but denied spending money

13:42

made from other shows. Shannon told the outlet

13:44

she spent the Dancing with the Star's money on household

13:46

bills and beauty expenses, not on Crack. I

13:49

had the not on cracked part, She

13:51

goes, I did not spend twelve years of money. It

13:54

was only from one show. Only A

13:56

lot of has money in a Cougan account that she is choosing

13:58

not to touch, and it is in this six figures.

14:00

It's like it's over two hundred k.

14:03

Shannon further explained, Unfortunately, I don't

14:05

have a ton of money myself. I use that money to

14:07

reinvest in her and support us through that time

14:09

because we stayed out in California for almost a month.

14:11

After she got off dancing, Alana

14:13

worked hard on Dancing Juniors in twenty

14:16

eighteen. Blah blah blah.

14:16

Yeah.

14:17

So basically, oh, in twenty twenty she competed

14:19

on the Mass Singer and with

14:22

her mom, so there was money

14:24

from that as well. The shows that we do outside of our

14:26

shows, like dancing, that's for us, and

14:29

then she goes on Basically I guess Alana

14:31

did a TikTok that I saw, you know, there was a trending

14:34

sound with like the Shark Tank theme

14:36

song, and basically this

14:39

is what her the context said.

14:41

She said, this

14:44

is so it's so ugly, like this gets

14:46

this really gets me so uncomfortable because

14:48

like I can't even imagine right, like anyway,

14:50

So this is what it says. It says, hey, shark seeking one

14:52

hundred and fifty thousand to fund my nursing education.

14:56

She captioned, In exchange, you'll gain ten

14:58

percent equity. I'll be your go to nurse for

15:00

all your family, these little ones that is. But

15:02

first of all, I love that she's back in school, and obviously

15:05

she has passion with wanting to learn or

15:07

to get into nursing right And

15:11

I just love how transparent I guess she is. Clearly

15:13

she's not making I don't know, maybe she just wants

15:15

to get out of this business, which is more

15:17

kodos to her.

15:19

Yeah, you know, it's it's a tense situation

15:21

because she's been a strange from Ama June

15:23

for a while. To think Pumpkin, her sister

15:25

has been sort of her primary caretaker and home

15:27

come is a big part of that scene that we're really going after her

15:31

saying, you know, like you're not allowed to talk, and

15:33

you know, you're going around the facts and where

15:36

is my thirty five brand? And that's

15:38

a that's a serious issue.

15:41

It's tough.

15:42

Where did you read the drug that she spent it on? Drugs?

15:45

Well, that's what the argument was. That's what Pumpkin.

15:47

Said in scene.

15:49

Yeah, that you lost I think five

15:51

hundred thousand dollars to a bag of crack is

15:54

what I'd said. I'm

15:56

not laughing because it's funny, I know, because it

15:58

was like I'm thinking of her saying it, which

16:01

was like an intense situation. You know, we've

16:03

seen this story over and over again of various

16:05

child stars losing their

16:07

money that their parents had earned

16:10

from them. And I mean we can track

16:12

back to so many kid stars

16:15

who had seriously had that issue,

16:18

and even just thinking about that quiet on set documentary,

16:20

it's clear like our kids stars when

16:23

they're in this environment are not protected the

16:25

way that they should be.

16:26

Well, thank god for this Coogan account. This is a new

16:28

thing that just you know, thank God for the Union,

16:30

you know, bringing attention to this and hopefully solving

16:33

the problem. Nellis now the opposite

16:35

with Jojo siwas so she I listened to her

16:37

whole interview on Call Her Daddy

16:40

with Alex Cooper, and basically she

16:43

did speak towards the beginning of the interview

16:46

about how her mother has

16:48

expressed to Jojo. First of all,

16:50

she's moved out, so she no longer lives with

16:52

her mom, or sorry, she didn't

16:54

move out, she kicked her family out, like cause,

16:56

like I think, you know, she's twenty years old and

16:59

she's like, I can't do this anymore.

17:01

But I want you guys to know that, Like

17:03

even since the little kid, she said, I would constantly

17:06

express that I will never

17:08

leave them high and dry. You know. I

17:10

think that that was a fear obviously

17:13

that has been talked about within the family. She's

17:15

from Nebraska, I believe, and literally

17:18

her mother has played a vital role.

17:20

First started on Dance Moms. Obviously she was

17:23

on camera, but also played

17:25

as JoJo's manager, like even

17:27

though she did have a manager prior to her mom,

17:29

Like at the end of the day, she wanted

17:32

her mother just her mother knows her,

17:34

you know. And I think what I love

17:36

about their relationship is

17:39

the mother not being scared to be vulnerable

17:42

and talking about fear and being

17:45

and I think when anyone just goes back

17:47

to their feelings and talks from the way

17:49

that they feel, there's so much compassion

17:51

and love there that like how could Jojo

17:54

leave her high end drive? And I think there

17:56

is a beautiful relationship there. And

17:59

what I recy and I

18:01

always am just shocked

18:03

about, is how their how talent

18:06

can have their parents manage them. I

18:08

have to say, I love my mom so much,

18:11

but there was a point when I started the show

18:13

that like my mother's a businesswoman, she

18:15

wanted to manage me, and I just did not see

18:18

this at all, Like I

18:21

there was no way in help basically,

18:23

even though she could. She definitely

18:25

has She's very educated. She

18:28

got her MBA, you know, like she has her own

18:30

she had she had her own company, her own

18:32

nursing company that is. But like I

18:34

wanted to savor our relationship as a mother

18:36

daughter more than any of it, right,

18:39

like I had people, She's just so

18:41

she was scared that I was going to be taking advantage of like

18:43

any parent would. But I also, like

18:46

any parent should, they should let their kids

18:48

make their mistakes and then obviously learn

18:50

from them. We talked about

18:52

Jojo and how she could be an intention

18:55

seeker right, like she's really going

18:57

out there and doing everything she can with

18:59

her whole knew she reinvented

19:01

her look and all of it. I didn't

19:04

really I did respond like body

19:06

language wise, like yeah, I kind of agreed. But

19:08

now, after listening to this sit down interview

19:10

with Alex Cooper, I have to

19:12

say what I loved. The

19:14

one line she said that changed my opinion

19:17

about Jojo was when she said, have

19:19

I always wanted to be famous? Yes, I've

19:21

always wanted to be famous. I

19:24

wanted to be the next Hannah Montana. I

19:26

wanted it all. And with that

19:29

comes what you see, like I

19:32

am an artist, you know, And I

19:35

basically she's saying, I love it all, like this

19:37

is what I do, you know, And so when

19:39

you own up to it that, I'm like, more power to

19:42

you.

19:43

Yeah. I feel the exact same way. Listen. I'm a

19:45

big Jojo fan in the sense that she

19:48

is somebody who is so positive and

19:50

she has always been such a positive

19:52

light for her followers and

19:54

her fans and has created

19:57

an environment that thrives

19:59

in as activity in loving

20:01

yourself no matter what right she

20:03

is, you know, body positivity. She is

20:06

sexual orientation positivity. She just really

20:08

sort of exudes that energy

20:12

about her. And look, I

20:14

don't expect you to go on television

20:16

if you don't want to be famous, Like

20:19

that's sort of a given. And I think that criticism

20:22

that celebrities are thirsty is

20:24

stupid to me, because of course they

20:26

are, Like yeah, so what you

20:28

know, like everybody wants to be famous.

20:31

Look, she's advanced herself when you think

20:33

about how she started in Dance

20:35

Moms, which you know was not

20:37

necessarily about the dancers. It was

20:39

about these right,

20:42

it was about the crazy moms and about the angry

20:45

dance studio owner. And that's really what

20:47

that system was about. She

20:49

was able to break out to build an entire

20:51

community for herself online. Now

20:53

she's a judge on so you think you can dance?

20:55

Right, She's doing a lot of things. So

20:58

I thought the interview is great and I really

21:00

appreciate it. Yeah, and I really appreciate how

21:02

she took care of her mom, how she said, like.

21:04

Yes, that's what she said, I kick you out, she got

21:07

them at home.

21:08

Yeah, and her mom appreciated that. Yeah.

21:11

I think she's a good person.

21:13

Did you hear her kids. She wants to name her

21:15

kids something like. It all rhymed. At

21:17

one point I forgot the three kids she wanted

21:19

to name, but it was like Harry, Mary

21:21

and Jerry are so I mean, I've totally made that up,

21:24

but it was along those same lines.

21:26

Yeah, she's got it all figured out, and she really

21:28

does. Yeah, Freddy, Eddie and Teddy.

21:30

Yes, there you go, Lisa

21:32

Renna. Let's talk about her fillers,

21:34

shall we.

21:35

It's course. Well, my biggest thought is

21:37

that I love Lisa Rena. I love

21:39

that she always owns it. I

21:41

love that she's not someone who shies

21:43

away from, you

21:46

know, embracing the good and the

21:48

bad about herself. Look, her lips

21:50

were out of control.

21:51

For a while, so she danced. Season two was

21:53

my first season, and she was definitely someone

21:55

that I looked up to because I just really

21:57

respected her hustles, the vinisition

22:00

of hustler, Like she literally, I

22:03

mean, this woman works, and she also

22:05

doesn't just work in the same type

22:07

of job title, right, Like, she's not

22:10

just an actor, she's not just a dancer. She does it

22:12

all. She's on freaking

22:14

QC. She's like the I was on QBC at

22:16

the same time. Like she has. She sells out

22:18

every time. She also,

22:20

you know, is now like a runway model, Like

22:22

I don't, I don't

22:24

know.

22:25

She's doing runways. She's she's you

22:27

know, still an actress. So she's got a

22:29

new Lifetime original movie coming out

22:31

with her daughter, what

22:34

called Mommy Meanest. I'm very

22:36

much looking forward to where the premises

22:38

that she's catfishing her daughter and bullying

22:40

her online.

22:41

Oh my god, that's so down for it

22:44

and Lifetime.

22:45

You know, look, she's like always been shameless

22:47

about herself and she did I just double

22:49

check. She did have lip fillers. She

22:52

regretted. She said that, you know, at a certain point

22:54

she was getting too crazy with them and quit

22:56

them. So maybe you caught her before

22:58

the lip fillers.

23:00

She still has lips, but she still has a full set

23:02

of lips.

23:02

Like, she still has a full set of lips. Yeah,

23:04

but I think they were I think they had gotten even bigger.

23:07

I think they got real, real nuts. And

23:09

now she's explained that she you know, really

23:12

died it down and dissolved her facial

23:14

fillers because there were pictures

23:16

of her at some events and

23:18

people were sort of questioning things. She explained,

23:21

Yep. Now I didn't really look that good and

23:23

I died them down.

23:25

Yeah no, I mean from the pictures I saw from this article

23:27

on US Weekly, it was it was like she

23:29

I remember for Halloween night. One night

23:32

when I was dancing on the show, I was what's

23:34

her name? Angelie and Jolie? What was

23:36

it Colla not Corolla Deville?

23:38

What was it Maleficent?

23:41

Yes, that's who I was. They had to put cheek implants,

23:43

and I have to say, it

23:46

looks fabulous. I'm kidding. I was like, can I take these

23:48

home? But like people

23:51

think I got my whole face restructured.

23:53

Wow.

23:53

And by the way, and so there's tons

23:56

of articles about it, and it's so fascinating

23:59

because I don't think people

24:01

also understand I've been on television since I was twenty

24:03

years old, right, So like I

24:06

definitely evolve. We all

24:08

do, and I really did.

24:10

I had like baby fat still on my face,

24:13

like or whatever you want to call it. Also

24:15

mind you like if you really really

24:17

dissect it all, nothing has

24:19

changed. It's like what has changed

24:21

is the way I put my makeup on really

24:24

like and makeup as we know, can do wonders,

24:26

especially contour on the nose. People are like she

24:28

got she doesn't even look the same. I still get comments

24:31

like that daily on my social media, and

24:33

I will admit I've done a little bit of

24:35

botox. And I've said this before during

24:38

the headline series on this podcast, like I

24:41

definitely get botox, but so little

24:43

that they do it for free.

24:45

Oh that's good.

24:46

And I was so anti it, believe

24:48

me, Like I always say, like when I took over for

24:50

Abby for on Dance Moms, that

24:53

was like my two of my friends they

24:56

suggested I get it because I started to see like wrinkles,

24:58

but I never cared. I was like, yeah, this is normal,

25:01

like we all see your face moves when you

25:03

talk. And then they're like, try

25:05

and just do it. And I was like my mom used to

25:07

get botox, and I was like, I just don't want to be frozen,

25:09

Like I don't want to be like shocked when you see like

25:11

constantly have that facial expression of being shocked.

25:14

And they're like, no, just come with me. So I did, and I tried

25:16

it. And I have to say, like what this woman

25:19

says? The doctor who posted

25:21

this TikTok about Lisa basically says,

25:23

how do we prevent this overfilled look that we're seeing

25:25

more and more of celebrities. The key with doing derma,

25:28

dermal fillers or botox is to maintain

25:30

your youthful look, not to alter and change

25:32

your appearance. And I couldn't agree

25:35

more like, and this is what my friends told me. They

25:37

were like, you don't do it to change what you

25:39

look like. You do it to prevent any

25:42

like from aging. Like you want

25:44

to keep the youthful look. And that's

25:46

what the doctor say to me all the time as well.

25:49

But they try and like obviously as they should,

25:51

like this is their business, but I refuse to do

25:53

I've never done any fillers. I literally

25:56

get a little bit of botox here and

25:58

my job cause I grind at night. And I have to

26:00

say that, like I started seeing on

26:02

camera that I looked like I had like a piece of gum I

26:05

was chewing or something. But it's only on one side. So

26:07

this muscle became very it

26:09

was worked out, you know, so it grew a little

26:11

bit and I saw like as if I was swollen.

26:13

And so ever since I've gotten botox here, first

26:16

of all, I stopped grinding at night and

26:18

my face has been snatched ever

26:20

since. Nice is

26:22

that fascinating. I took my stepdad, he's

26:25

a dentist, and I was like, you should tell I mean, I know this takes

26:27

business away from you, but like, really it does

26:29

help with the grinding. You don't need to wear

26:31

a mouth guard.

26:32

Oh that's great now I listen. I'm all

26:34

for it. I think first of all, if I had money, I would not

26:36

look anything like myself.

26:38

I stop it very beautiful.

26:40

I would start over from scratch stop.

26:42

But no, but I had gotten

26:45

I got some boatox and a little bit

26:47

of filler and like my jawline for

26:50

the first time. Shout out to real

26:52

housewife of Dallas, Carrie Duper and

26:54

her very cook you stick surgery.

26:56

She I went to Dallas to see

26:59

her and she hooked me up and.

27:01

It was so cool to Dallas

27:03

just to do that.

27:04

Well, I was in Dallas for another reason, but I saw

27:07

it by uh. I stopped by her offices

27:09

to see what it was like and while she was there. While

27:11

I was there, she was like, sit down, let's

27:14

play. And I was excited. I never

27:16

felt hotter really, and

27:19

yeah, I loved it. I felt so young,

27:21

not having any sprinkles on my forehead. I

27:23

was super down for it, and I would

27:25

still do it every single day. Yeah,

27:27

I lived closer.

27:29

Well, I'm sure there's tons of people where

27:31

you live.

27:33

I'm sure too, but you know.

27:35

I refused to. I drive all the way to LA just

27:37

to see this person. So and it's free.

27:40

So like you tell me it's free, I'm

27:42

like, I'm there.

27:43

I totally understand that's what you mean. But I what

27:45

I appreciate about Lisa is that she said

27:48

right from the get go, you're right. You know, she had done

27:50

skin skin vibe. I think it's what it's called,

27:52

which is the gel implant that's kind

27:54

of injected into specific areas of the tissue

27:56

and to give definition. And she said that,

27:59

you know, they does all it right after that day,

28:01

the next day. So sometimes if it

28:03

doesn't work, it doesn't work.

28:13

Let's talk about Jana Kramer and Mike Cousin.

28:16

Basically I have seen

28:18

her just in a good

28:20

way, just like really work on herself,

28:22

and she's she is now

28:25

like definitely she's

28:27

not just preaching right, Like she's definitely

28:30

putting it into her

28:32

real life, like whatever it is, whether

28:34

that be, you know, you want to lead with love

28:36

and not fear, and like she's really it's

28:39

just impressed. It's so inspirational for me, especially

28:41

because like it's so easy for her to hate

28:44

Mike, right and because they had an ugly divorce.

28:46

They had a podcast, well she still has it,

28:48

but Mike's obviously no longer involved, but they talked

28:51

openly about him cheating, him being a

28:53

sex addict in all of it. And for

28:55

her to really come out the other end and

28:59

be able to not only have like

29:01

a a friendship in

29:03

a way, or just a relationship with Mike,

29:05

but to also have been able to move on and

29:07

have been open to love again is just so

29:10

inspiring.

29:11

I completely agree, and I look I

29:14

look at their relationship with

29:16

a constant oh my god, because

29:18

every single thing that they have shared from

29:20

the get go has been one bombshell

29:23

after the next, and yet they persist,

29:25

and yet they found a way to continue

29:28

the fact that she is now saying that like they're

29:30

they're still in each other's lives and they have

29:33

a good relationship. How

29:35

how I would like to know?

29:36

I think I think it helps that she's moved on, though I'm

29:40

not so I do there is

29:42

a sense of like stability. I

29:44

think too that like, because

29:47

I don't know I don't. I'm

29:49

not going to say that if she wasn't in a relationship

29:51

that she wouldn't have this cordial relationship

29:53

with Mike. But I think also she's just not thinking about

29:55

selfishly herself, like in that sense it's

29:57

good to be selfish, but she's thinking about

29:59

the kids that they made together, you know, like

30:02

how they would be affected if they

30:04

didn't, if they weren't friendly or

30:07

still in each other's lives. It does affect the kids.

30:10

Having kids is of course the thing that keeps

30:12

you in that person's life in a way. I certainly

30:15

think that when you don't have kids, it's a

30:17

lot easier to sort of vanish.

30:19

Yeah, would you like if you were in

30:21

her situation, would you be able to do it?

30:24

It's so hard, you know. I have a difficult

30:26

time when you're so close to

30:28

someone and there's such a part of your life and you're

30:31

so intimate with them, and to sleep next

30:33

to somebody that's always say it's like the most intimate

30:35

time in your life. If you're you're powerless

30:37

when you're sleeping, right, they can do anything to you.

30:39

So to sleep next to someone that's in a huge

30:42

amount of trust, Yeah, you're a person

30:44

so intimately in your life and then for

30:46

them just not to be there.

30:49

It's so so hard, meaning like

30:51

to go and like infidelity

30:54

and.

30:54

Yeah, or them to break up, for them

30:56

not to be next to you anymore. And that's

30:58

the thing, is like, I I don't know how you

31:01

sort of move forgeward forgive

31:03

that person and want to still be in their lives

31:06

in some way. I think it's really different.

31:07

I think you forgive for you.

31:09

I know, and I mean I asked this, of

31:11

course with much respect. But you've been

31:13

through a divorce. Is it hard to how

31:17

would you navigate that? Especially like your ex's

31:19

moved on? Oh?

31:20

I And this is what I've said before, I think

31:22

in another episode. But there's no

31:24

like I'm truly like I'm happy for him.

31:27

I have zero there's no like weird.

31:30

From the moment that I found out that they were together,

31:32

it was never like this sense

31:34

of jealousy or like I want them back or

31:37

how dare you move

31:39

on? It was never like I

31:41

know that feeling because I've you know, I've been

31:43

in other relationships. I know it's hard for people to believe

31:45

that, but I have been in other relationships. Hence

31:49

my TikTok is not only just about one

31:51

person people, or maybe it's about

31:53

no one AnyWho, but really

31:56

it is. I know that I have a sense of peace that

31:58

I know for sure that we were not to

32:00

be together, right, And

32:02

and I'm like, look,

32:05

am I still hurt when I think about

32:07

certain things? Absolutely? But I'm not

32:10

not I'm not like holding

32:13

onto the relationship at the end of the day.

32:15

Have I forgiven myself?

32:17

Yes? I have. Yeah,

32:20

I understand that. Yeah, I don't. I don't

32:22

mourn the loss of that person. I don't,

32:24

right, I'm not mourning him.

32:26

I don't want him back. I don't know. But

32:29

what I am mourning is like the

32:31

the experience, the feeling of being

32:33

in love and and

32:35

I'm craving

32:37

in.

32:37

The you want another physical

32:40

body?

32:40

Yeah, well not just anybody, but that

32:43

friendship that I missed, that sort of that.

32:47

I don't know how to explain that.

32:49

Do you think you have that within yourself?

32:51

Oh? Self? Love? Are you talking about?

32:53

Yeah? No, I don't know that.

32:55

No, stop it. Of course

32:57

you do, well, you do, because your sobriety

32:59

shows that you.

33:00

Yeah, but it's it's certainly something that I have

33:02

to constantly work. I don't know, nobody

33:04

has taught that. We're never taught that. I didn't

33:07

grow up learning how to love myself. I

33:09

grew up being told all the things that were wrong

33:11

with myself by everybody in the world, and I listened

33:13

to those things right by my parents, by

33:15

my people at that.

33:17

Also, Yeah, like no one teaches us.

33:19

There's no handbook, right, but what we observe when

33:21

we're little. It's like, you don't need to say a

33:23

freaking thing right, Like you can just

33:25

see it through body language, like first

33:28

of all, coming from a door's family like hello, Like

33:30

my first memory was seeing my father with another woman.

33:32

Like that's my first ever memory. So it's

33:35

like, of course I'm gonna be distorted

33:37

when it comes to, you know, my

33:40

choice of men. That's why I'm choosing

33:42

to be single, because I'm like, I have to really

33:45

retrain. Holy crap, it's

33:47

a process.

33:48

Funny that you say that too, you learn it. My friend

33:50

is talking to me this about this recently. She has two

33:53

girls, and she was like, I grew up constantly

33:55

hearing my mom complain about her body, so

33:58

I never say anything about

34:00

my body negatively in front of my girls. Wow.

34:02

Ever, I thought that was so incredible.

34:05

I was like, oh God, that's so intelligent.

34:08

So to think now, going back to Jana, if

34:10

her kids are growing up seeing her in a really

34:12

good relationship with her ex, that

34:14

actually could be very beneficial to them

34:17

in the long run. So huge. Yeah,

34:19

to learn that, like, relationships don't always

34:21

work out, but you can still find a way forward.

34:24

It's so beautiful.

34:25

I love that I didn't learn that.

34:27

No, it's never too

34:29

late to change the generational trauma,

34:31

to change the pattern.

34:33

Yeah, that's a good podcast

34:35

named generational Trauma.

34:36

Trauma. That's as long as a mouth. Jenny

34:40

Garth, Okay, first of all, I don't know about you,

34:42

but this was the only show I watched

34:45

ever in my whole entire life. My

34:47

biggest crush still to this day, rest in peace,

34:49

it was Luke Perry. And she

34:52

basically said, Jenny Garth recalls

34:54

lessons learned from from Luke

34:56

Perry. I think of him often, and I

34:58

just love the lesson that she learned here, which

35:01

was to really be present, basically

35:03

with the people and fans that come up

35:05

to you and want your picture, that

35:08

want to talk to you, especially when they do all these like

35:10

nineties con events and stuff that you

35:12

know, obviously this was a huge nineties show,

35:15

one of the most popular ever. I mean, I had trading

35:17

cards. I slept on his face bed sheets

35:20

like unfortunately it wasn't real. It was his bed

35:22

sheets and I

35:24

and I had to say every time I've run into Jenny. She

35:27

also has a podcast here on iHeart. She

35:30

is very present, like to the point

35:32

where I start to like be self conscious, like,

35:34

wow, I'm really not as president as she is. Like she's really

35:36

present, like she's wanting

35:38

to like really ask how someone is doing.

35:41

And I feel it's genuine, Like she's a genuine

35:43

woman. And I'd love that her and Luke

35:45

Perry, or that Luke taught her that.

35:49

Yeah they are look Luke

35:51

and Sorry, Dylan and Kelly as I was Dylan

35:53

McKay, I call them were

35:55

the couple that I shipped the most. Sorry

35:58

Brenda, we still love you.

36:00

I still love her.

36:02

Go listen to Losing My Religion

36:04

in your Room over and over and over again in sadness,

36:06

because we were hoping that

36:08

that Dylan and Kelly were the endgame here.

36:11

And I know it's just so you know,

36:13

the loss of Luke Perry was devastating

36:16

to us. Nine O two to zero fans. Yeah,

36:18

it's important. I always think

36:21

to recognize the bonds that the actors

36:23

had together within their own community

36:25

and the lasting impact that

36:27

they've had on one another. Yeah, it

36:29

makes it so special to

36:32

hear what she was saying about That made me feel

36:34

very validated as a fan. I haven't been

36:36

to one of those cons. I haven't met her

36:38

in that scenario to go, of

36:40

course I totally would.

36:42

Yeah, Oh my gosh, there

36:44

already was one.

36:45

I don't know, but there's I feel like there's one every

36:47

twenty minutes. I'm sure we can get on.

36:49

I love it. Can they do like two thousands con of

36:51

like reality dance shows?

36:53

Yeah, let's do it.

36:55

What was I gonna say?

36:56

Oh? Yeah?

36:56

And I also love the fact that she's like that he

36:58

was this person, because I worse is when you hear someone

37:01

that you love or that you look up to be

37:03

the opposite, which is just not a nice person

37:05

at all. And I hate hearing those stories.

37:07

So I know, and I try to give grace

37:09

to celebrities and recognize that, like

37:11

they're human and they have bad days too, because

37:13

I've certainly had experiences so stars

37:16

who have been real nasty to

37:18

me street. I can't name

37:20

names. I'm not gonna be I'm not going to call that.

37:23

Give me the exclusive. You want me to give

37:25

you the exclusive next time, Dave.

37:28

There's one actress who it just has nothing to

37:30

do with my job. I was just a fan. It was totally

37:32

even started working in

37:34

the industry, and I like ran up to her and asked

37:36

her for an autograph, and she just completely

37:38

blew me off. I asked for a picture. She was like, no, And

37:41

I always think about that. She said no,

37:44

she said, literally no.

37:46

It was that the same scene, Like was it the same at

37:48

the same time or was it a different time?

37:49

It was exactly the same time. I said, I am

37:51

such a huge fan of yours. Can you find this and

37:53

I'd love to take a picture with you? And she said no.

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I kept walking.

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She said, not even people, not even her

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su It.

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Was just her by herself. Oh my god,

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to New York City. And I was just

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a little fan, kid.

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If you were a kid, And she said no, well

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no.

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I was like in my twenties, but I.

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Was still But it

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was exactly the same.

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To this day, I'm always like that

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woman is such a jerk.

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But I'm sure it's a change

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your is change your whole.

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It's a memory that I'll have forever, but I have to

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remind myself that she's a human.

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This is the thing. If you hate being fave, you hate

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what comes with fame, don't be famous. Hulu.

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you. Thank you for having me.

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