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This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans

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with Me Cheryl Burke and iHeartRadio

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podcast. Hey guys, welcome

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back to Sex Livees and Spray Tans. My next

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guest is known for her role in The Cheetah Girls.

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Is a woman who I am lucky

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enough to call a friend and someone who I became

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very close to, especially during our time on the show

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together and on the DWTS

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tour. She was someone I confided

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in knowing that what I had experienced during

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my early DWTS days of being

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in the public eye was something she already had

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experienced herself. I will forever be

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grateful to my next guest for holding my hand through

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the public scrutiny I was facing at that time,

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as she was definitely someone I was able to lean and

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depend on through the chaos, but also the

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fun and more importantly, the memories

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and friendship that we had established back then,

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which is something I will cherish forever. My

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next guest competed during season five of Dancing

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with the Stars, and her time on the show will definitely

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go down in history as one of the most shocking

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eliminations in all thirty two seasons.

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Let's give a warm Welcome to my friend,

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the beautiful and talented why life and mother

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of two, Sabrina Brian to the podcast.

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Welcome to Sex, Lies and Spray

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Tan Sabrina Brian. Holy crap, people

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are excited about this, you know?

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Really?

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Yeah? You got a lot of views

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on my igs aka

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Instagram stories.

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That's a new one. I think I'm gonna have to drop that

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one down. Jot it down.

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Everything's an abbreviation.

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How are you?

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I'm so good? How are you? You look beautiful?

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Thank you so much.

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Girl.

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I'm like I want to just grab you through this screen. I

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wish we could have done this in person.

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Maybe next time, yeah, for sure, because I don't

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think we're going to get through all my questions. So speaking

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of first of all,

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thank you for doing this. Second of all, who is

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Sabrina Brian? Behind

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all the fame, the fortune, everything?

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Thank you? Who are you?

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Who am I?

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Oh gosh, behind closed doors?

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Now I'm a mom and

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loving that. I feel like I'm living all

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of my dreams out with my little girl.

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I've always wanted to be a boy

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mom. I've loved being a girl

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mom. She is a

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complete replica of me, so that's

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scary.

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She is she's so sassy, but she's

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hilarious and she's sweet. She's

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but man, she keeps me on my toes.

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She says things every single day.

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Yesterday, you know what she told me. She

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was looking. I just put some new larings and she

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was looking in the mirror. Mommy, she's three.

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Okay, she's three, Mommy, I love them.

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Then she pulls up her belly her little

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shirt and goes, I think I want one right

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here.

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Her belly button.

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I said what. She goes, yeah,

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and one of our sitters has one, and

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so she said, I want one

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like her. I knew

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these kinds of things.

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You know, I still have a whole permanent hole. I just

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show her what happens when you don't give any

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mommies. She rule after to babies.

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It's no longer a hole. It's like a

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slit. It's not cute,

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and it's there forever.

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Every time I get a spray's hand, it's a little darker.

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I gotta like, like, it's just it's

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so ugly. It's so ugly.

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It's so ugly. It's it's not huge,

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it's just it's just not cute, and you'll

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just always know that

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there was one there I, it's not

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like a I heard nose rings go away,

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you know, like thees nowadays.

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Yeah, it's not like that. There's nothing you can

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do about it.

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It's some extra skin and

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cover I have, right, Yeah.

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And you start thinking about things that you'll eventually

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have, like those talks. But

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for her they come so early.

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Why were we talking about this when you're theree.

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At least she can come to you and talk about

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it. You know, I would never true. I pierced

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my own ear like I was such a rebel,

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Like it was a dare and I wanted to be

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in this friend group. Anyway, that's for another podcast.

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So what is what do you think people's biggest

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misconception is about you? Sabrina?

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Wow, it depends

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what we're talking about. So I feel like,

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you know, maybe Cheetah Girls wise,

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they thought I was a little bit more squeaky

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clean than I was, you know, which

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I'm glad that I did a good job because I

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feel like with that role it was important

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for you know, when I was I was in college during

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Cheetah Girls. If I had a red solo

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cup at any kind of college party, and so someone

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tried to take a picture of me, I would just throw

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it. I just would not want

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any kind of because I just felt it

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was very important being a part of the Disney Channel.

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I was really particular. But I

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think now they would think I was a little bit more

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squeaky clean than I was when

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it comes to Dancing with the Stars.

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I don't know if it's necessarily a misconception.

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I was really you remember, well, I

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don't know if you remember. I was just really intense.

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I had an intense partner who had a

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whole family, who was intense into the show

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and wanting to do well and to

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partner. The second time wasn't as much, I

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don't think, but that first time, I

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feel I came across a little bit more.

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This is true, I came across a little bit more arrogant

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than I actually am. I'm very competitive,

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but it wasn't as arrogant as

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I feel like some of those the

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packages sort of showed. I

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was nervous and freaked

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out. You know, shed

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a tear probably before every single show

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because I was so nervous that I was going to make

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a mistake. I've been performing

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for a long time, but never on that

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kind of level. And

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so yeah, I think that that arrogance might have just

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been kind of what I like,

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just sucking it up and holding my

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breath, you know, or you know, things

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that I might have said. I don't know. I feel like I

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look at how your season a little bit more arrogant

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than I ever was. I was freaking out every

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week. Every week I thought I was going home.

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But arrogance, so like, is this a thing that

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you are telling yourself or you mean

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that that is what people you believe

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thought of you.

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So back at season five,

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which was in seventeen sixty

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four, with the show

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that was the very maybe

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not the first season. I don't know. Maybe

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you could tell me. When they had those chat boards

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online on ABC dot com.

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It was there from the beginning? Was it there from the same

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boards? Those message boards? Yes, okay,

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toxic but it was.

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Yes, but it was very new in the

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world. You know. I had never experienced,

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well, at least for me. I guess maybe I should just say it was

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new for me. I had never experienced that with the Cheatah

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girls, you know, I just really no

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if they were it was all love

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and you know, again.

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There were still message boards.

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I don't remember there being cheatagirl message

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boards that I knew

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life, so the show was kind of my first,

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right and so I

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read them or my

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manager would read them, or Mark would

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read them. Mark really took a

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lot of stuff to heart. But

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just it was from that, you know, just you know,

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she just thinks she's so great, or

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you know, she she doesn't deserve to

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be here because she's a dancer, you

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know, those kinds of things, And it was like very

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hard, you know, I was still pretty young. It

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was twenty two or twenty three when I did

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the show. And again

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I went on because my mom

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loved the show, and I went to the

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not the finale night, but I went to the previous

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season and saw it

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and was wowed by the production,

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the you know, that competitive

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intensity, the energy. I loved

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all of it, and I knew it would mean so

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much to my mom. So that's that's

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where I why even went on it and

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then.

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Never went on it because you wanted to do it.

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No, I wanted to. I never knew wanted

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sho. Okay, but this is

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how this show came into my life.

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Okay.

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I would come home to my parents'

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house from LA when

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I was living in LA and

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if it was on a Monday or Tuesday night, they

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were in front of the TV with their

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little like TV dinner trays.

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My mom and dad would have a

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notepad their

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dinner, a notepad PA to

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make notes of their thoughts of each of the routines,

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and they would give their own scores and see

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they were trying to see if they could get you

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know, lens score. They always wanted to see

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how close they could figure out, if

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they could figure out the technique, because

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again, ballroom was in nowhere

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of my life. I had never done.

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Really anything anything. I

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think I did some swing dancing type

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of thing, you mean, partner dancing, But you had

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dance before obviously.

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Yes, but this style I mean you're talking tap,

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jazz, ballet, hip hop.

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No, no, I don't know it actually helps you, I think

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too. Absolutely.

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I think the perception of what

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you should be able to do when now

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so you think you can dance has also

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blurred the lines because so many of those dancers

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will now be on the show or you

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know, or now dancing with the stars as contemporary

9:15

routines. You know, all that has kind of blurred.

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But back at season five, it was

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very I feel, looking

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at it, it was a lot more

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to the book of what the

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dances were supposed.

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To technoi yeah,

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which I think should still be that way,

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but that's just me because that's what separated

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the show from so you think you can dance absolutely

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world of Dance, all these dance shows.

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That's what made it unique. But yes, yeah,

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everything.

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I mean I remember learning to do the

9:44

quick step and the choreography

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being made and it had to flow

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to like

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all the there was all these different things,

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and I loved learning that. It was so cool

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to me that to

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learn all these rules, all

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the dancing I had there were no rules, there

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was just you just got out there

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and there was styles this, there was specific

10:09

colds thing you know, things that landed

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so much of I loved.

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I loved getting his critiques anyway,

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So back to my parents loved it. So for

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Mother's Day, I called my agent and I said,

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is there any way I could maybe get into

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go to a live taping for a Mother's Day gift?

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I'd love to do that for my mom, and

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my agent truly goes, it's so

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crazy you're calling me, because Dina

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Katz from Dancing the Stars just called

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and asked if you'd be interested in

10:38

coming to a show to see if you want

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to do next season, And I was like,

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okay, I mean I'll go check

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it out. I really this is really just about like

10:47

wanting to get my mom live at the show

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and she's like okay. It took

10:51

me maybe one

10:54

from the beginning to maybe one commercial

10:57

break to be like, I'm in what

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do I need to do to get me on this show?

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I'm so this show is amazing. I loved

11:04

it. I really did. So.

11:05

You realize that you were the first dancer

11:08

to come on the show.

11:09

Right, Mario

11:13

Lopez wasn't considered a dancer.

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He was a living but.

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I didn't dance.

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Well he was on say, I got right,

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right, right, right right, But

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that's I believe that's I'm not saying this to tack

11:26

you or anything like that. I'm saying because

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that's probably was a shock to the fans.

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I went out just being

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myself, and I remember Joey

11:35

Fatone telling me when we started

11:38

hanging out, you really

11:40

screwed up. You came out of the gates like flying,

11:43

and you should have probably held

11:45

it back and got better.

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And first of all, how can you do that, like

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as a performer, I still can't do that to

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this don't.

11:51

Have it on and off button with that when it comes to that.

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Done, you're not being your authentic, organic,

11:56

vulnerable self, which is what gets you

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through.

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Like you were, absolutely but I also

12:03

would have now hated

12:05

every video that I saw. Now I can

12:07

look at my cha cha the very first thing

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I got to do on the show. And I

12:11

don't know how technically great it was.

12:13

I just watched it.

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I loved every

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aspect of that routine. I love

12:20

that I have these videos that I get to now show

12:22

my daughter. At one point, you know, look

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at mommy.

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Look at mommy when she starts killing it, backing

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at me with from her dance stuff.

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I'll be like, let me just show you a video straight lockstep

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legs. Look at those locksteps, chacha

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cha. You know like you were killing it.

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Thank you, Jimmy.

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Let's rewind here a little bit. Okay, So you were

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Mark Ballas's first partner, right, Yeah.

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Did Dina Katz ask you like,

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did you want to dance with someone in specific?

12:47

Or was this was kind of like a you want to do

12:49

it? Great, okay, let's do this. Did you tell her you had

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dance experience?

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Yes? I that was in because you

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know you go to this interview and you meet

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all of the producers and Dina's

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there as well, and they have a bunch

13:02

of questions that you sit down and

13:04

talk to them about. And I

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told them about my dance experience. I said, but

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I've I don't even know what ballroom is, to be

13:11

honest, I think I've seen a few videos and I've been

13:14

to the show once. Now that's all I know. It's

13:16

literally where it starts and ends. But

13:18

I have done obviously with the Cheetah Girls.

13:20

I'm the dancer in the group. You

13:23

know, my character is, and I

13:26

know how to dance, I know how to move. But I

13:28

said, I really would love to learn

13:30

this new style and see if I can do it.

13:32

It would be awesome. I if anything,

13:35

ballet was the worst. So ballroom

13:37

scared the crap out of me. I

13:40

was asking them, is there any chance that that

13:42

waltz thing could maybe be not

13:44

on my list of things to do?

13:46

Because you said to her, I

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don't think I could do that at.

13:50

All, you know. But so

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they asked me that, And then when it came to partners,

13:57

they said, do you have any partners that you

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you know, really are And

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I said, Honestly, the

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only ones I pay attention to are the girl ones.

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I love Sheryl,

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Julianne looks great. You know,

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I don't really pay attention to the guy ones.

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And I don't know anyone enough. Please just

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give me somebody who you know, really wants

14:18

to take on, somebody who wants to learn. Like

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that's it.

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What were your first I guess impressions because

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Mark, I'll never forget when Mark and Derek,

14:33

you know, it was their first season. They

14:36

are in they you know, they're coming out with me

14:38

if seven nights a week. They're like my two like

14:41

security guards and little tiny tank tops.

14:43

You know, they were boys. They were boys, Like they were

14:45

so young and little, and you

14:48

know they obviously knew like, oh I was the girl that just

14:50

like had a great time and also had success

14:53

on this show and like it was a whole thing. And

14:55

mind you, I knew them from

14:57

but not right, not well. But I

14:59

did take I got coaching from Shirley.

15:01

I went to Julianne's tenth birthday at Shirley

15:04

Ballas's house in England. Like it's

15:06

just it's a whole mix. But I never got

15:08

to know them until they started

15:10

Dancing with the Stars. Who were your first

15:12

impressions of Mark ballas, Oh.

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He what I love still

15:18

looking back to this day. He

15:20

was so excited to

15:23

be on the show. I mean he some

15:26

of the pros. By season five, you

15:28

guys were all comfortable. You were all good.

15:31

Really yeah, you guys the

15:34

only time And it wasn't until the end of the

15:36

season that I realized what all

15:38

of you go through as far as wondering

15:40

and not knowing about whether you'll be on the next

15:42

season.

15:43

Right, and then we also had tours in between. We didn't have a

15:45

day off.

15:46

Yes you had you had a tour,

15:50

yes, and so it was

15:53

it was a lot, but you guys seemed

15:55

like you found your group.

15:57

You were excited about it. It was different from

16:00

what you all grew up doing from

16:02

the time you started walking. And it was

16:04

and this came with, you know, a

16:07

fame, It came with notoriety. We could

16:09

get into hide like you know what I mean.

16:11

It was just there was.

16:12

So much that you guys seem so comfortable.

16:15

And Mark came with

16:17

this just energy of the

16:19

way he is. He's so competitive and

16:21

if he's gonna do something, he's

16:24

gonna kill it, Like it's gonna be. He's

16:26

going to put everything in it. He has

16:28

two parents that have raised him to go

16:31

for gold or don't do it at all, you know what

16:33

I mean. I mean? And they it was fun

16:35

to get to know them. They were the

16:37

amount of instruments that him and Derek

16:39

can play, you know, the the

16:41

amount of plays they've done and acting

16:44

and they're surely I imagine

16:47

Shirley back in the day when they

16:49

were little.

16:50

Shirley's Mark's mother.

16:52

Shirley's Mark's mom, and I

16:55

have this this this visual

16:57

is because of the pictures that Shirley's shown me

16:59

of Mark and Derek and their little uniforms

17:03

school just so cute.

17:04

It's like that it.

17:06

Looks like that book Madeline

17:08

when you were little. Yes, I know what they

17:10

look like.

17:11

Swear to God their

17:15

own bodies.

17:16

Yes, And I feel like, you know, Mark

17:18

sitting at a table and maybe just doodling, and

17:20

truly looks over his shoulder

17:22

and goes, oh, you like to doodle, And then she's like, hey,

17:25

Oscar and has like the most professional

17:27

doodler of the world, ready

17:30

to train him in being the best doodler.

17:32

Like she was just that mom, I

17:35

was.

17:36

She was a dance mom, but

17:38

on all levels. Yeah, not in a bad way

17:40

at.

17:41

Great, this is what you're gonna do. How amazing

17:43

is that? Like?

17:44

How much does she help you a

17:46

ton? I tell you totally had

17:48

Shirley's style, like you like to tell from your

17:51

leg action that Charlie Ballast was

17:53

straight up in your business.

17:55

Yes, and the egg and

17:57

the flip, I mean that

18:00

that is a Shirley ballace.

18:02

It's just a perfect way I made sure ballroom

18:04

arms. How about Quirky? How did how much

18:06

was Quirky Ballast involved?

18:08

The Corky and Shirley were both

18:10

in and out of La Quirky. I think had

18:12

actually gotten an apartment as

18:15

well as Shirley's, but they were in and out. They're both

18:17

working a ton, so it kind of depended

18:19

on what day of what week we

18:21

would get them. But also, you

18:24

know Mark not knowing a lot of people, nor

18:27

Derek, it was nice for them

18:29

to have family there, you know what I mean.

18:30

It's like out help since my last day on

18:32

the show, Like, oh for sure, I.

18:35

Know from all the pros on the show

18:37

that I know when I'm close within love,

18:39

they all do they are all these these are these

18:42

are the things I'm really good at, and these are the things

18:44

I'm not so great out. So this is why I pull in

18:46

someone and I think that's awesome.

18:48

So was it ever like at a at

18:50

a cross roads?

18:50

A little bit?

18:51

Because I'm sure you collaborated. I'm sure

18:53

you wanted to also have

18:55

your input, which is not normal.

18:57

No. And as a matter of fact, they.

18:59

You're like hip hop section in the Chasha. You didn't.

19:02

I did not want any part of that, I said,

19:04

But it didn't collaborate, but

19:06

they didn't need to. It wasn't like the

19:09

way the package is. No, I don't

19:11

love that, because the way the package is is like, oh

19:14

here, now I'm going to teach you. No, that's

19:16

not how I was. I was like, I don't

19:18

want to waste four counts of eight on the hip

19:20

hop? Can we do more? Cha cha?

19:22

Who's they who forced you?

19:24

The producer? Like everyone around like, hey,

19:26

Sabrina, don't you want to do something like this? Don't you

19:28

want to put some hip hop? And then you know

19:30

Mark had hip hop experience

19:33

as well, and so he was totally

19:35

down and wanting to do it, and I said, okay,

19:37

Mark, let's do some hip hop. Teach me and they're

19:39

like, no, Sabrina, you're the hip hop dancer, and

19:41

I didn't want to teach.

19:43

I know why they did this. They needed a story

19:45

in your package because they say, would your story be

19:47

of you just like being amazing? Like that's

19:50

there's no story, right.

19:51

Yeah, but it to me was a downfall because

19:53

it made it look like I was trying to take over

19:56

and that just wasn't the case.

19:57

Do you think that's the reason why you got voted

19:59

off way too early? I

20:05

think that, like the public, when these

20:08

packages keeps saying it are vital, they

20:10

are important than your freaking dance. Okay,

20:12

So it's like at the end of the day, that's what

20:14

I mean, like knowing what I know now, it's like

20:17

what what comes out of your mouth? You got to think about

20:19

the edit, right.

20:20

It was more frustrating when it was an

20:22

edit that was given to you,

20:24

like that was given to you when

20:26

you were not even wanting to say that or

20:29

talk about it. Things happened in

20:31

the rehearsal studio, and there's there's

20:34

one on week three where him and I were

20:36

really frustrated, and a lot of it had to do with

20:39

him putting the routine together and

20:43

I got frustrated because the week before

20:45

Elio kash

20:47

Novas, who was with Juliana or Julian,

20:51

he beat us our score, he beat

20:53

the score that we got that week before, and so

20:55

then it was they would instantly We're

20:57

only on week three, instantly their

20:59

pit us against each other. And

21:03

Quirky and j and Jordan, oh

21:05

my gosh.

21:06

Husband, Ark. You hadn't met him yet.

21:09

Not at all. Corky and Mark

21:11

had been putting

21:14

the routine together and they had an idea. Dance was

21:16

a give, so it's fun,

21:18

it's you know, and I.

21:19

Get waited for me. I hate give. But

21:21

that Gie was killer, really

21:24

was great. I knew exactly that Shirley

21:26

and Kirky were involved when you did the windmill, that

21:30

this thing was it, this thing, this slappy thing

21:32

where you turn around that ship is not

21:34

easy. Right right then and there, I was like, this girl

21:36

is on all you might as well just give her the Mayor Ball Trophy. And

21:38

mind you, I was already out because I danced with the way Newton,

21:41

who pulled out because of walking pneumonia

21:43

or because he was scared of me, one of the two.

21:44

But well,

21:47

I mean he probably any anyone

21:49

that you get probably has this. I've

21:53

got to be the best. You know, You've

21:56

got such a legacy on the show. You can't

21:58

get a partner like you and think, yeah,

22:00

we're just gonna kick it, We're gonna.

22:02

See like I mean, there's the reality

22:04

of the situation, like Wayne, I mean

22:06

or whatever. Anyways, back to you. So okay,

22:09

then, so you have so many competitive

22:11

people in one in one circle and one

22:13

team, and then you've got this shit.

22:15

They wanted me to do something I didn't want to do. They

22:17

wanted Mark was

22:19

gonna play like get down and play like he was

22:21

driving a car, and they wanted me to kick him over

22:24

and put a one up in the area. What

22:27

yeah, like he's l oh yeah, like he's

22:29

el e oh right, And they think, you know, Quirky

22:31

and Mark when they get together, are two hysterical

22:34

people. They're so funny. And

22:36

when they think they're funny, they think, this

22:39

is the only thing we can do. And I

22:41

just didn't want to. Now surely was out of

22:43

town during this time, and I

22:45

just I really didn't want to do that. I

22:48

felt like already again the blogs

22:50

were saying I was this cocky, you

22:52

know, I thought I was so great. I'm

22:54

not gonna say that I'm gonna kick my opponent

22:56

over and put a one finger in the air. I

22:58

don't feel like that was a nice thing to

23:01

do. I think they thought it'd be funny. I felt

23:03

like it was going to be portrayed totally

23:05

different, and I just didn't want to do it, and

23:07

I kind of just stuck my ground. At some point,

23:10

you have to say no, I don't want to. I

23:12

do not want to do that, so can we please do something

23:14

else? So then it just kind of, you.

23:16

Know, wish that you would have said that when they asked

23:18

you to put hip hop in your tacha.

23:21

No, because I think it made the chacha stand

23:23

out. And I think really it ended up being

23:26

fine. But I was really worried about

23:28

people, and

23:31

I was in I think as anticipating people not

23:33

liking me because of my experience of dancing.

23:36

So I was worried about it. But I

23:39

loved it. It turned out great.

23:41

It was amazing. I had it was solid.

23:43

You were amazing, Sabrina, thank you.

23:45

No, it was fun. But anyway, so I

23:47

got in trouble the next week when't truly got

23:49

back. She left me have it. I got

23:51

a surely vow why each moment

23:54

because she's like, you're not the teacher, And

23:56

I said, surely, I didn't not trying to be the

23:58

teacher.

23:58

But the producers asked you to do that.

24:01

Well, they asked us to talk about it on the show in

24:03

our package this.

24:04

Quirky wanted to do this number

24:06

one thing, the driving.

24:09

Quirky and Mark, they were in it. They were in it to get

24:11

it, and I just didn't want to. And

24:13

so obviously when it gets back to her, I don't

24:16

talk to Shirley on the phone, she's you know,

24:18

she's stepping in and just saying, you got to

24:20

do what they want you to do. And I said,

24:22

I understand that, surely, but at

24:24

some point I've got to be true to myself too, you

24:26

know. And as scary as

24:28

it is to go against you right now, I

24:32

didn't want to do it, and so we did

24:34

it, and I'm glad we didn't because I

24:36

think that would have really had a backlash.

24:39

And you know, now

24:41

after years of or even a few

24:43

years after Mark being on the show,

24:46

I don't think he would have ever suggested

24:49

that. You know, that was another first time season,

24:52

you know, not knowing what kind of like

24:54

you said, now there's so much you guys know about

24:56

the show and how how the audience

24:58

is going to react. I don't think that he would have

25:01

even probably suggested it, or maybe he

25:03

would have. He's he's still I'm sure, very

25:05

silly.

25:06

So I'm also pretty sure I don't know how involved

25:08

they are, like what they were during his last season

25:10

or like previous seasons. But like you know, this

25:13

is a big no no in the production world

25:16

of but mind you, they all know, like

25:18

they all know, we go and get help, like either

25:20

you're married to a dancer and they help you, or

25:23

your parents are dancers, or like in my situation,

25:25

none of the above.

25:27

It goes by so fast, Like you

25:29

get done with one episode and some

25:31

people were back at this the You

25:33

have to be the back of the rehearsal

25:35

studios working on the next routine,

25:38

whether the celebrity was there or not. Usually

25:40

the pros were there for at least a couple hours

25:43

working out what the next week was going

25:45

to be for them and their partner.

25:47

Well, you also had results shows, so we lost to day.

25:49

So we went straight from Tuesday's

25:51

results show after a full day prior

25:53

to that, and then another day of a show.

25:56

I would stay up till god knows when, and then we would

25:58

go out and you know, get schwayted every Monday

26:00

night. So it's like I was just on survival

26:02

mode. But back to uh,

26:05

back to you. Was it hard

26:07

for you too? Was it

26:09

too many cooks in the kitchen?

26:12

No? I I loved any and

26:14

all help. I mean there was times where I remember

26:16

you would give me. You would start talking about something

26:19

and you would kind of start

26:22

getting into the technique, and it was like I

26:24

felt like I was like this close to you, please

26:26

tell me more. I loved it Max,

26:28

same thing, Max. Like Max was

26:31

like I remember he said something about my footwork

26:33

and I said, what do you what do you mean? He's

26:35

like, you know, you don't You're you're going from

26:38

I don't really remember what it was, but like you're going from

26:40

toe to heel and needs to be healed to toe and blah blah blah blah,

26:42

I said. And I remember going

26:44

to my phone, pulling up my YouTube video

26:47

and going or not YouTube,

26:49

but my video of me doing the dance. I'm like, what part

26:51

are you talking about? I loved it. You guys

26:54

were just these just knowledge.

26:57

You had so much in this world that I was

26:59

falling in love with, and you guys just would

27:02

It was so awesome how you would just give like

27:04

advice. You know, we were all competing.

27:06

Remember when we would party and have slumber

27:08

parties at Palazzo and me and

27:10

you would be so crazy, and I was teaching

27:13

you how to straighten your freaking legs and how

27:15

to distribute your weight from foot to foot.

27:17

Yes, I remember

27:20

that. I actually have You know, what's

27:22

funny when you say that when probably

27:25

a video of it. But I do have a video of Kim

27:27

Johnson teaching my husband. Now,

27:30

we were just dating to do

27:32

some type of lift thing with

27:34

me and she in your but this

27:36

was your big house in the hills, and

27:39

it was. It's just so funny because he actually

27:42

really loves dancing too. He

27:45

really loves learning, and how

27:47

much I did, because after the All Star season

27:50

or after our season, I went on tour

27:52

then I was in Vegas. Yeah,

27:55

yeah, that's when Jordan and I were first getting to

27:57

together, and he was just around all these dancers

28:00

who loved to teach him how to do

28:02

stuff.

28:02

It was so fun And who must love him

28:04

in general?

28:05

Oh yeah, they do. They love the sweet

28:07

man. Yeah, he's awesome and he is.

28:10

He's an athlete but has and it

28:13

is good. He's got rhythm. But it's just

28:15

so fun. I mean, our best friend James,

28:18

you know, big Big in the ballroom world,

28:22

taught us are our first dance. We have a full blown

28:25

first dance that I didn't want

28:27

to do. I wanted to sway. Jordan wanted

28:29

to learn a dance like a full

28:31

I don't know if James considered a

28:33

foxtrotter or what, but yeah.

28:36

I love that. Did

28:45

you feel like with Mark since it was his first

28:48

season, he must have been so excited, like there was also

28:50

a lot of paparazzi. This was like the height of Dancing

28:52

with the stars. Did you feel like you

28:54

had to in a way hold his hand

28:57

through it all? Like did he get did

28:59

he ever turned you for advice? Did you have

29:01

to kind of feel it It's okay, you're fear on

29:03

TMZ looking across sied, no Worri is going

29:06

to go away the next day.

29:09

Yeah, he really held it together, I'd say

29:11

when it comes to the paparazzi. His more

29:14

questions and concerns was him

29:17

and Derek hattered their band and

29:19

they were bringing their band over

29:21

from London, and

29:24

so they I would say, you

29:26

know, that's not necessarily

29:28

leaned, but definitely asked for advice

29:30

on certain things. And my manager fell

29:33

in love with with Mark and Derek. It

29:36

was obviously hard not to. They were

29:38

so excited, they were so talented, they

29:40

had so much to bring again,

29:44

the d Huff band, no, the Balas Huff

29:46

band, Ballast.

29:47

It changed, like so many times, but yes.

29:50

Yeah, but yeah, so they

29:53

they were really working on their music. I think that's

29:55

what they were really actually

29:57

wanting to do. They loved being on the show obviously,

29:59

but they were hoping that was gonna you know, project

30:02

their band and the opportunities for their band

30:04

eventually. And so my manager

30:07

and I helped style them for

30:09

do you remember their first performance

30:12

that I don't remember what club it was, but my

30:14

manager and I helped a lot with that, you know, just

30:17

helping out and you know, making sure press was going

30:19

to be there and all that kind of stuff to help them.

30:21

Because they were before they had many reps.

30:24

Right, yeah, they were, yeah, exactly,

30:26

And so you know, at the time

30:28

Melby's manager we

30:32

were out with that season, we were out with

30:34

Melby a lot and her manager

30:36

started talking with Derek's. No,

30:40

he was not their ex husband, he

30:43

was a manager. Aside from

30:45

that, I think before I think

30:47

that situation left before

30:50

the ex husband started managing.

30:52

I think I don't know, but did

30:55

did you and Mark date? I

30:58

knew you were going to do this? It was such a who

31:00

did you date? A bunch? I

31:03

don't want the list girl, but the sad

31:06

no.

31:06

You know what? We nothing

31:09

never official, but we were just again.

31:12

We were It was like finding a new best

31:14

friend, you know, finding a buddy he

31:17

again. Him and Derek were so green, and

31:19

we were together all the time. You

31:21

know, we would rehearse and we

31:23

loved rehearsing. We loved what we were doing.

31:25

So after rehearsal studios, I know

31:28

we weren't probably supposed to do this, but we'd go in the

31:30

the

31:32

parking lot of Palazzo and go through our stuff

31:35

again if we felt like we were you know, a lot

31:37

of times he just wanted everything

31:39

to be perfect, not really necessarily

31:41

always concerned about me, but the choreography.

31:43

So he was always trying to find so you

31:46

right, I did. I wanted it to be perfect,

31:49

and especially after getting to know him and Derek

31:51

so well. I wanted this to

31:53

be amazing for Mark and

31:56

Derek to have a great first season on the

31:58

show. And they's

32:00

just won this season before right with the

32:02

follow So it was like they

32:05

knew you could come in for the first season

32:07

and win. It wasn't something

32:09

you had to work up too. If you had a good partner

32:11

and great, great material you

32:14

could win, you could, So that was their

32:16

their goal. We were really really close.

32:19

Again, I wouldn't really

32:21

consider it a relationship as

32:23

much as it was a friendship. We were

32:26

together from you know, we would

32:28

go to rehearsals together because they

32:30

lived in a different set of the build

32:33

not buildings, but like there's different lots

32:35

side, so they yeah, they

32:38

lived in a different one. But he would either pick me up

32:40

or me and my girlfriend Stephanie that was there with

32:42

me everywhere we'd

32:44

go pick up Mark and Derek. You know, we'd all

32:46

go together to the rehearsal

32:48

studio once we were done, So then we were

32:50

you're eating lunch together in between your

32:53

you know you're after then

32:55

you're going then you're doing fitting, so you're driving

32:57

your you might as well drive there together, you

33:00

know, it all makes sense to wear and we were the same

33:02

age too. It wasn't like there was a giant age

33:04

gap there. We were into the same

33:06

thing. Music, dance, acting,

33:09

you know, movies, everything. And

33:13

I would bring him down to Orange County to hang

33:15

out with my friends on a day off, you know, to just.

33:18

A day off.

33:19

Well, well I just

33:21

give it. At some point we got

33:24

off ended up having quite a bit of time off.

33:26

Right, Let's just be real. Let's just be

33:28

real. It didn't take you too long to get these routines.

33:30

Come on, no, it did. I did.

33:33

I worked, I worked too many hours. But

33:36

yeah, there's just this this this uh,

33:39

this bond that you create and you

33:41

also are your this is a goal

33:44

that you both want. It's not I

33:46

feel really lucky to have the pro who's

33:49

on their first season, because again,

33:51

there was some pros where you could tell kind of checked

33:53

out. They didn't see themselves going very

33:55

much, and they checked out of the season. They just kind

33:57

of wanted to get as far as they could, you know,

34:00

not necessarily gunning

34:02

for the trophy. And one

34:05

hundred percent Mark was gunning for that trophy.

34:07

And I wanted nothing more

34:09

than to have him win his first

34:11

season. It would have been amazing.

34:13

And so when you found out

34:15

you got eliminated, what was going through your mind?

34:17

Were you shocked?

34:18

You?

34:19

Did you know what was coming? Did you hear any rumblings

34:21

behind the scenes.

34:22

No, not at all. And that's

34:24

one thing I wish you. I

34:27

mean, I guess if you looked at the blogs,

34:29

maybe, But so when you

34:31

ask, you asked earlier about why

34:34

I think happened. You know, after

34:37

you as it's going

34:39

on, you're trying to get his money

34:41

votes. But again, I was a cheetah girl. I was

34:43

on the Disney Channel. I

34:46

didn't have I had a giant

34:48

fan base, but not.

34:50

The same network and family.

34:52

Right, so my fan base

34:55

might have been tuning in, but I'm

34:57

not quite sure they were jumping on phones

34:59

and texting and voting, right,

35:01

you know the way you could vote. So

35:03

I knew the only way I had a

35:05

shot was to get good scores. If

35:08

I didn't get good scores, I was pretty

35:11

much. I mean, my management team talked to me about

35:13

this. You know, every one going

35:15

into it talk to me about you know,

35:17

you hope to gain a fan base while you're on

35:19

the show, but at the same time, you're not going in

35:22

with one that watches the show. The demo

35:24

of season five was not little kids.

35:26

It is now maybe, but it was not young

35:28

kids their parents, but

35:30

it was a lot older demo. The demo

35:32

I think was between like Steen sixty

35:35

five was the main demo. They

35:38

didn't know who I was, so I had to

35:41

do great routines and

35:44

show my ability to get at least good

35:46

scores. So half of the bank

35:49

was good and trying to be as full

35:51

as possible because there was no guarantee

35:54

I was going to get any votes, and.

35:55

Like, how about with like Sochi and Zendeya

35:58

and all those people, but.

36:00

They came so much later. Yeah, I

36:03

was like one of the first people

36:05

again that yeah, that

36:07

didn't I mean, I think about think about

36:10

our season. I had Melby obviously

36:13

huge, known everywhere worldwide.

36:16

I had Marie Osmond talk

36:18

about right smack in the dab of that

36:20

demo. I had Jane Seymour.

36:24

I had Wayne

36:27

Newton, I mean four

36:30

alone. Then you got Elio, which the demo

36:32

watches the same indie car. I

36:34

didn't have anyone looking for

36:36

a cheetah girl. No one was looking for a cheeta

36:38

girl other than.

36:40

That, do you believe? Like, do you is

36:42

there any do you have

36:44

any regrets on any during

36:46

that experience with Mark or what is

36:48

the biggest lesson you've learned through this experience.

36:54

I feel like the biggest

36:57

lesson I feel like was I wish

36:59

I had taken pictures.

37:02

Was there such a thing?

37:03

No, there's not. I wish I

37:05

had taken more pictures. I

37:08

think as far as how much I really put a lot

37:10

of effort into trying to get to know the cast.

37:12

Yeah, it's a big thing. I knew being

37:14

around being in a makeup trailer

37:16

with Jane Seymour and Marie Osmond. I would ask

37:19

them about stories anything, and they

37:21

love telling them, which is amazing. They're both great

37:23

storytellers. I

37:25

didn't get to know Wayne that much

37:27

then, but we went on tour right after, and that's

37:30

when I really got to know him, his wife,

37:32

his daughter, his sister

37:34

in law, Tricia, who's still one of my really

37:37

good friends. But

37:39

you know, at that time, I

37:42

just I think I wish I would

37:44

have taken more moments to soak in.

37:46

Instead, I was go, go, go, go, go, go

37:48

go go. You know, I was still working

37:50

the Cheetah Girls. We were flying to

37:52

do Good Morning America because the second movie

37:55

was coming out. You know, we

37:57

were doing a lot of stuff, and I feel

37:59

like within all of my career, I

38:02

was so young and I was just going,

38:04

and I did not stop and really

38:07

soak in as much as I

38:09

feel like I could have, you.

38:10

Know, right to present now,

38:13

I don't.

38:14

I don't feel like I was as present, you know, like

38:16

you said, we were we were dancing,

38:18

Hey, we were partying at night. We were going

38:21

I pre red carpet that was out there

38:23

sometimes to a night you know, just go

38:26

go, go versus you know.

38:28

I know at that time I would go to red carpets

38:31

and then leave. I wouldn't even stay to watch the movie.

38:33

Sometimes. First of all, what a jerk move,

38:35

but so rude. I hate that.

38:38

So you were busy, I was busy.

38:40

And it was I wanted to go. Obviously you

38:42

want to do the red carpet thing, but I didn't. I

38:44

didn't realize, like you're at this premiere,

38:47

go watch the movie for

38:49

the first time for the audience. Like I

38:51

didn't do all that. It wasn't often that. I don't want

38:54

it to sound like.

38:54

It was always You're fine. I don't

38:56

think you're the only one though. Put it that way, Yes,

38:59

move on, to also was really quick, did you Yeah? So

39:02

how was that process? Because like, okay, so

39:04

I danced with Emma Smith because he said

39:06

I will only do All Stars if I dance with Cheryl,

39:08

and then.

39:09

I for that and smart.

39:11

I had Jill Marini on there as well,

39:13

danced with Pete. I had Drew Liche dancing with

39:15

Anya Trebunskaya and

39:17

it was odd right, like, and I

39:20

know that you were paired with Louis and

39:22

Marks with Bristol.

39:24

Bristol, I believe had

39:27

said she wouldn't do the show unless she got

39:29

mark.

39:30

So then when they mamasked you, did they

39:32

tell you this that you weren't going to get marked? Do you remember

39:35

how I got on the show on All Stars?

39:37

Yeah, no, they didn't ask me. What do

39:39

you mean?

39:41

Girl? I had to go through like a whole political

39:43

campaign to get on the show. Okay,

39:46

so they they did. They

39:49

set their cast at twelve. And

39:51

I remember I was doing the Vegas show with

39:54

Joe at

39:56

the Traffic. It was so fun.

39:58

I was there for the opening and that was yeah,

40:01

yeah, and it really didn't ever

40:03

stop being at that bar, like

40:06

of.

40:06

Just fun we had. It was awesome

40:08

because we got to have different pros come in and

40:11

do you know, just a couple of weeks

40:13

or whatever. It was really fun. The show was always changing

40:15

and evolving with new people, but there

40:17

were staples of it that were there. It was

40:20

Me, Joey Fatone, Kyle Massey,

40:22

and Carson

40:24

Kressley. No,

40:27

Kim didn't come all. Kim wasn't always on

40:29

it. Okay, no, because Joey

40:31

had a different partner that Kim

40:33

would come in and do. Kim did it a couple

40:35

of times, but she would come in and do Joey's partner

40:37

stuff some of it. So

40:40

anyways, Joey gets the call and I'll

40:42

remember I was in I was in swims, lacy

40:45

swimmers. Sorry, I was in lacy swimmers

40:47

and I were We were in the dressing room

40:50

and Joey comes in and he's like, dude, did

40:52

you hear they're doing an all star cast or an

40:54

all star show? And I was like, no way

40:57

because they had never done it before. And I'm

40:59

like no, and he's like, yeah, Dina just called

41:01

me and asked me to be on it. And I was like no,

41:04

hell that I remember,

41:07

I had my phone was on

41:10

the stage from then on, waiting

41:13

and brain but it seemed

41:16

like everyone that was being called back to

41:18

the show was finalists,

41:21

and I remember crying to my manager,

41:24

going, there's just no way. I'm never going to

41:26

get a spot there. Everyone. There's Drew's

41:28

on it. Now, there's Emmitt Smith

41:30

that I heard is on it because I had talked to you.

41:33

There's all these people. I'm like, there's just no way. Dina

41:36

calls me and I'll remember her phone. Her name comes

41:38

up in my phone and I'm like, oh

41:40

my gosh, I'm shaking and she's She goes,

41:42

hey, so we're doing an all star cast

41:45

or an all star season. I said, oh

41:47

yeah. I was like, and

41:50

my voice was so tight, Oh yeah.

41:52

Really, She's like, yeah, So twelve

41:55

of the celebrities have been placed, but

41:57

we're looking for a thirteenth person. Okay,

42:02

what we wanted to do is a big campaign.

42:04

We wanted we want to get people really

42:06

involved before the show even starts.

42:09

So what we're going to do is we're

42:11

going to get three celebrities to

42:13

kind of do kid out and

42:16

I go, are we going to come dance? And

42:18

she said, no, We're gonna just put your

42:20

guys's name up. You guys are going to have a voting

42:22

between the three of you to get

42:24

that thirteenth spot.

42:26

WHOA wait, I don't remember

42:28

any of this.

42:29

Oh my gosh.

42:30

It was like, wait, so that public voted.

42:33

Yes.

42:34

It was a huge campaign campaign

42:37

going up it against It was

42:40

Carson, it was everyone.

42:41

I was on the show with Vegas, well Kyle.

42:44

And me, Oh, you would have won, hands

42:47

down, you would win.

42:48

Carson is so funny. And Kyle made

42:50

the finals.

42:51

That's true, but they would have already asked him if that

42:53

was the case.

42:54

Huh that I don't know.

42:56

And then it was lazy. It

42:58

was lazy upset.

43:01

She had not gotten she had not gotten a call to be

43:03

on the All Stars season. So

43:06

then but that also meant the Traumpa Caana

43:08

show was also possibly extending, and

43:10

so she knew she would still be working at

43:13

the Trap and extending

43:15

the show. So then it

43:17

was they came up. We each did these commercials

43:20

of why you should vote. I look like a

43:24

politicians secretary. I did not really

43:26

look like a politician, but I didn't. You

43:28

know, we do this whole campaign, and I had.

43:31

We had we did a Good Morning America

43:33

thing like they were doing a big press

43:35

leaning up to the All stars for people to start

43:38

already getting involved in the show. It's

43:40

brilliant. It's an amazing night. Yeah, I just wish

43:43

I didn't.

43:43

How many votes did you win by? Do you know?

43:46

I don't know, but I

43:48

started legitimately campaigning.

43:50

I did all these videos I

43:52

started. We had. There was this group

43:54

called Team Sabrina that tried to petition

43:57

to get me put back on the show.

43:58

Originally, but

44:00

I'm still one of the most and I say this in my intro

44:03

again is one of the most shocking still

44:05

to this day, like it is still

44:07

shocking.

44:08

I I will say it was amazing

44:10

that it happened because I would have never known

44:13

the incredible team

44:16

of you know, the

44:18

audience members, the fans out

44:20

there. I would have never known how incredible

44:23

they were and how supportive. So they

44:26

got on the ball that I swear it

44:28

was Team Sabrina that got me on the

44:30

show. Dina said the votes were incredible,

44:34

and they were from the very first day in an

44:36

ability to vote, they were saying.

44:38

This is why I think you got eliminated. I know you're

44:40

not asking me, but I'm going to say it anyway. I

44:42

would like, I don't think it's your fan base

44:45

at all. I think it's the fact that people

44:48

already thought you were going to be safe, so why waste

44:50

votes on someone who's going to be safe?

44:51

For Caryl, I will tell you right now, I

44:53

remember being out

44:56

that night, and that's the exact

44:59

word you told me. You literally

45:02

said the same thing. And

45:04

also it's consistent better. It

45:07

does not feel better, but it does makes.

45:09

You feel better because you know why, then you're you're

45:11

basically insinuating that you didn't have enough fans

45:14

that voted, and that's not true.

45:16

Like you have that crew of people

45:19

that also got you a part of All Stars,

45:21

Like you still have your fan base

45:23

like personally for you, So

45:26

that should make you feel better if you chance to

45:28

change your perspective a little totally.

45:30

And and you know, but I will say it

45:33

put, I don't

45:36

feel like I enjoyed the second

45:39

seat my second season, the All Star season

45:41

anymore as much

45:44

because I felt like I

45:46

had so much pressure.

45:51

Coming from Louis No.

45:53

No, Louie was amazing.

45:55

I mean, I got lucky with two incredible

45:58

teachers. I learned so much, so

46:01

many different things from each of them.

46:03

But I just had so much pressure

46:06

to be great for the

46:08

fans that did get me on the show. I

46:10

didn't get asked to be on it. I was voted

46:12

on, and it just I had. So I

46:14

was so tired

46:17

that whole season because I would I couldn't

46:19

sleep. I was just really just

46:22

nervous that I wasn't going to live up to this

46:24

expectation that I had set in season five.

46:27

You know, if you.

46:27

Set that expectation up by

46:30

yourself, though, Like, do you really believe

46:32

that the fans, your fans expected

46:34

you to be perfect.

46:36

I don't think they expected me to be perfect, but they

46:38

expected me to come out and dance the

46:40

way I danced in season five, and I was you

46:42

were better ten years older I

46:45

was. I did have a lot more on under

46:47

my belt. I will say at that point I did know

46:49

a lot more about the ballroom and chat chas.

46:51

And you also just came from a Vegas show, and

46:53

you came from a Vegas show.

46:55

But the Vegas show, even with even the way they

46:57

treat celebrities no matter what, like when you go on the

47:00

road, like they're not like harping

47:02

you about your technique or anything crazy.

47:06

You're like literally you're around

47:08

it.

47:09

And like I said, I wanted to know everything

47:11

I didn't get to do, you know, a

47:14

botch kata in my any of my routines.

47:16

And I remember that was my like thing in

47:19

the finale part of the Vegas Show, that I would sit

47:21

on the side and go

47:26

and turn and turn and turn.

47:28

My god freaking Louis so funny.

47:30

So yeah, okay, it was amazing. I do

47:33

have to make sure everyone knows how

47:35

much I loved working with Louis.

47:37

Yeah, he's I mean, he loved

47:39

dancing with you. You remind me of his partner Julie

47:41

Fryer. Did you ever say that to you?

47:43

My last dance, my rumbo

47:46

was him and Julie's okay

47:48

dance they did.

47:49

I'm gonna drop the mic. That is such bullshit,

47:52

don't know, don't you rational

47:56

routine?

47:57

So yeah, I'm telling you it was

47:59

this.

47:59

It was right

48:02

there that you are more than qualified.

48:05

I just did a world champion's routine.

48:07

No worries, We'll tell me the pressure.

48:10

This is like his.

48:13

Everyone there's no one else is at your

48:15

level like no one else has been

48:17

and will or ever will be. I'm

48:19

not giving Emmett Smith my professional routine

48:21

I did with this guy named Jose de camps, Derek's

48:24

not giving Nicole Scherzigger his refuse

48:26

so good. No, this shit

48:28

is crazy. I just want you to know that you are amazing,

48:31

and.

48:31

So is Sean Johnson. That she was on the

48:33

off Star season, so Sean

48:35

Johnson was amazing.

48:37

But like I just you are amazing. I want

48:39

you to know that that you are beyond

48:42

like as far as technical ability,

48:45

performance wise, like everything, Sabrina,

48:48

I want you to know you couldn't do any better than you

48:50

did, regardless of the results. Thank

48:52

you, period, thank you, rapid

49:04

fire quickly, Oh God. Pro

49:06

Partner edition. Mark Ballace versus

49:08

Louis van Amstell. How would you compare Louie's

49:11

teaching style versus Marx.

49:14

Louis was very intricate

49:16

and went slowly to

49:19

where like he wouldn't move past the step

49:21

until I did it like perfectly.

49:24

Mark was He was a lot faster. I

49:26

had to keep up with him. Then he would go back

49:28

and we would do it again. You know what I mean? It was it was a different

49:31

totally different style, different

49:33

pace. I liked both of them though. It was cool.

49:35

It was it was awesome to be taught two different

49:38

ways.

49:38

Did you feel like they both wanted to collaborate with you

49:42

collaborate mm hmm. It

49:45

was one more open to collaborate than the

49:47

other or No. I

49:49

feel they.

49:50

Both if they would ask me questions and stuff,

49:52

but my answer was always I want to do what you

49:54

think is best. So they

49:57

both probably stopped at some point because

49:59

they knew I just wanted to do what they wanted to do.

50:01

Who was the better teacher? Oh

50:04

oh, No, one's listening to this story.

50:06

Just no, one's listening to this. You know

50:08

what, I don't think I could.

50:11

I think for at each time

50:13

they were perfect for me. I think Louis would have probably

50:15

bored me when I was younger as

50:17

far as that pace, Yeah, yeah,

50:20

But had Mark done

50:22

that to me when I was older, I probably would have gone

50:24

irritated. So they were like perfect from they

50:26

were you know what I mean? They were perfect for the time

50:28

of when I was on the show.

50:29

For sure, what did you have the most chemistry with

50:32

on the floor and off the floor?

50:34

You know, I would normally obviously say

50:37

Mark at that time, but then I

50:39

just recently after when I got the call for this,

50:41

watched Louie and Eyes RAHMBA, and I was like.

50:44

Oh, that I

50:46

think I think Louis for

50:48

sure.

50:49

Yeah, he seems so

50:51

great. I love my Cinderella danced with him

50:53

that well. It was so fun and I've never

50:55

felt so I felt

50:58

as beautiful there as I did on my way day.

51:01

I mean, honestly, you guys really complimented each

51:03

other both as for Louie as well.

51:06

Who had the best lead?

51:09

Ooh? I think

51:12

Louis did because I was a

51:15

better what's

51:18

it follow? Yeah, I was a better

51:20

follower with with Mark,

51:23

just I knew.

51:24

Different different schools of training

51:26

too. I don't think sure I knew.

51:27

The photography I went in as a dancer

51:30

like a hip hop dancer, the background

51:32

I had in the season five versus

51:34

my All Star season I had

51:36

learned and watched so much more of being

51:38

led. I did not know how to be

51:41

led with with Mark, so I just did the

51:43

steps on the counts and the accents and the music,

51:45

where with Louis he could

51:48

have walked me through that dance with any

51:50

song. It wouldn't have mattered. He really was able

51:52

to guide me. But it's because I let him, so I was probably

51:54

my fault, I mean not probably, it was.

51:56

My I think that's why you had more power in all

51:58

fairness here, when it comes to your movement,

52:00

in the quality of movement, there was more power

52:03

and dynamic because that's what you do. I

52:05

mean, I see. There's different ways

52:07

of thinking, right Like for me, I was coached by

52:09

someone who only who would stop dancing with me

52:11

if I didn't follow his lead. So it's like it's

52:13

a different way of thinking, but not one

52:16

is better than the other. However, when it comes to execution,

52:18

I prefer that style more.

52:20

Yeah, just so, just to be

52:23

clear, really quick, Rapid Fire Cheetah

52:25

Girl Edition, what was if

52:27

the Chetah Girls?

52:28

Wait?

52:28

First, if the Cheetah Girls were to reunite

52:31

for one more project, what would it be? And are

52:33

you guys reuniting? That's

52:36

two questions, by the way, Yes, that is

52:39

rapid Fire, let's go.

52:41

I think that the Cheetah Girls would most likely

52:43

do a movie, and I feel

52:46

like there's hints out there that there's something

52:48

going on. What I would really love

52:51

to do is a reunion show.

52:54

I would love to get on a stage and

52:56

kill it again with my girls that we

53:00

were so many girls first concert

53:03

back in the day, and I would love

53:05

to go and reenact

53:08

our stage work and have them

53:10

bring their kids, because one of those girls

53:12

now have kids, and that would

53:14

be my dream. I'm not sure

53:16

if that will ever happen. I would

53:19

be a hundred percent down if

53:21

that ever came up.

53:22

So you guys are reuniting.

53:24

I don't know, honestly, it's all I think it's

53:26

out there. It's finally out there. There was

53:28

complete silence, crickets everywhere. Now

53:31

there's a rumbling, so.

53:34

Truth to the rumblings.

53:36

Yeah, it's actually finally like within the world

53:39

of you know, behind the scenes stuff, it's actually

53:42

rumbling and steps they think are

53:44

starting to possibly happen.

53:46

Nothing's been Greenland. I don't think.

53:48

Okay, all right, good to know good. What's

53:51

the most significant challenge you all face together

53:53

as a group back in the day.

53:56

I think, you know, one thing that was really tough

53:59

was Keilee, Adrian and I were

54:02

touring. We were together

54:04

all the time doing Cheetah girl stuff.

54:07

Raven was doing that so Raven,

54:09

so it was kind of a separation. So I think

54:11

the second movie was a little tough

54:14

behind the scenes. I don't think you see it

54:16

portrayed on camera at all,

54:18

but you think, you know, we

54:21

were young, we were really young. We were early

54:23

twenties. I think we could have been

54:25

more cognizant of what we

54:28

were, what we should have done before

54:31

we even went to Barcelona, to make

54:33

sure when we were there that wasn't

54:35

a vibe, you know, And that

54:37

goes to show maturity levels.

54:39

And what happened in Barcelona.

54:41

Nothing happened in Nothing happened in Barcelona,

54:44

but just it wasn't like she was

54:46

in an apartment. We were in a hotel. You

54:49

know, we were separate, so

54:51

she was a little bit of way, so we would

54:53

have a car. Nothing was done on purpose

54:56

in any sense. It just was not

54:58

the four of us the way the first movie

55:01

was. And I wish we would have

55:03

either fought to have her

55:05

come to the hotel or for us to have an apartment

55:07

where she was, because that alone before

55:10

and after you're on set,

55:12

the time away from it is really what

55:14

bonds you as actors and friends,

55:17

and we had that in the first movie and we didn't.

55:19

So I feel like I wish we would have been

55:21

a little bit more deliberate of it's the

55:23

four of us and we need to be together, you

55:25

know.

55:25

I wish we were going to do this next time around.

55:29

I mean, they can come hang out

55:31

with my kids, you

55:34

know, if they want to know what real crazy is.

55:37

But yeah, you know, one of the things when I was

55:39

on the season was going to the Spice

55:41

Girl. Do you remember going to the Spice Girls reunion

55:43

show and we walked backstage and

55:46

they had a specific room

55:48

where all their kids and nanny's

55:50

were playing. They had like a playroom.

55:52

Yeah, like a green room for them. Yeah.

55:53

Yes, that's my dream. Like, how

55:56

amazing would that be. Everyone's got their own buses,

55:58

your family's on tour, and you've got green

56:01

rooms that like the kids just go nuts

56:03

and learn to be friends and everything

56:05

as well.

56:06

We don't even have time for any fan questions, which is

56:08

a shame. But I love you.

56:09

I'll come back on.

56:11

Okay, good, thank you.

56:13

See it wasn't that bad, was it. It wasn't

56:15

I mean you you You basically interviewed

56:18

yourself. So okay,

56:22

seriously, though, do you love the podcast?

56:24

Please promote?

56:25

Yes, I am doing a podcast

56:27

called Magical Rewind. If

56:30

you are a Disney lover, and

56:34

especially a Disney Channel lover, you're gonna

56:36

love it. It's every single week.

56:38

I'm literally going to do the next episode

56:40

right after this. It is about we

56:43

rewatched the Disney Channel original

56:45

movies. These movies are so

56:47

good or so

56:50

funny or miss the

56:52

mark, and there's.

56:53

Like really like life lessons, right.

56:55

They are life lessons. We

56:57

also do Wonderful World of Disney

56:59

movie as well, which are they go

57:01

back even farther. They're not always

57:03

available, so we have a hard time reaching for those,

57:06

but it's so fun to rewatch

57:08

those movies now as an adult

57:10

and just have a night of like

57:12

nostalgia. You think of who your

57:15

crush was at that time and how you

57:17

thought that was like just like that the main actor,

57:19

or you think of your friends watching

57:22

it.

57:22

I love you, Sabrina, thank you so much for doing this,

57:24

And I'm going to check out her podcast.

57:26

Where can people find your podcast really quick? It's

57:29

obviously on I Hurt Radio

57:31

where you listen to podcasts, shit.

57:33

Where you listen to podcasts it is, And we're also on

57:35

Instagra, Instagram called the

57:38

Magical rewind Odd and

57:41

you can find me on Sabrina dot

57:44

Brian and yes, it's

57:46

so fun and we do fun interviews

57:48

with the actors too.

57:49

I know you have to go, but I saw this video with you hanging

57:51

out with Demi Lovado, the Jonas Brothers, like there

57:54

was like all you today, that was

57:56

creat You guys were in the bathroom. You guys were

57:58

like.

57:59

That was at the you Yeah,

58:01

the Jonas Brothers actually, which

58:03

is so crazy to think. On

58:05

our Cheetah Girl Christmas tour, you

58:07

know, we had a bus are opening

58:11

act Ali and aj they had a bus.

58:14

Jonas Brothers was their opening act

58:16

and they were running. If you ever look at their documentary,

58:19

they used to ride around in this twelve passenger

58:21

van. That's what they drove around

58:23

behind our buses. In the Jonas

58:26

Brothers they were opening opening

58:28

act. And then by the time we saw

58:30

them after Camp Rock, they were like megastars,

58:33

just megastars, and it was.

58:35

Do you still keep in touch with them?

58:37

No? Not really. I saw Joe at

58:39

I think it was your birthday party years

58:41

ago, like a couple years ago, and that's why did I

58:43

saw him? Yeah? Yeah, and he was

58:46

so sweet still, such a sweet guy.

58:48

The whole family, the whole family.

58:50

Yeah, I love you, Sabrina, go get ready you

58:53

podcast to the podcasts.

58:55

We're done now. It feels like we had

58:57

coffee this morning.

58:58

Seriously, but they're still like so much

59:00

to talk about. But we'll continue TVD

59:02

on camera. Yeah yeah, I love you,

59:04

thank you too, Bye bye. I

59:08

just want to thank you all so much for listening, and since you

59:10

guys have been loving the podcast so much, especially

59:12

when I do recaps of past seasons, we decided

59:14

to make it a series. So make sure to not only

59:17

listen every Mondays for the interview portion,

59:19

but now you can look forward to listening to

59:21

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59:23

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59:26

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59:28

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59:31

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59:33

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