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3:39

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3:42

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3:44

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4:06

an actor In Los Angeles

4:08

but originally from the Midwest.

4:10

Welcome Max. Hello!

4:12

I'm so happy to be here and I'm honored to

4:14

be on your so. I'm a big fan of you.

4:16

Why? I'm so happy to

4:18

have you here! Also, Kimberly probably cleaned up that info

4:20

but I just like took. I think it's the most

4:23

takes I've ever taken in an intro and then I

4:25

just. Started to see them to people said fellow. At

4:27

the fun beginning this is i'm were awful place,

4:29

flourish and start. Also, I didn't go over your

4:32

intro with you before reading it right. and five

4:34

you was that for you. Though.

4:36

It's a great intro I think

4:38

that very accurately describes my mindset

4:40

and perspective. Okay and I'm gonna

4:43

try a brand new thing with. You here today

4:45

is that's okay with you do want

4:47

to do a place to. She's an

4:49

exploration questions flirtation. I love new experiences.

4:51

That's one of the reasons why I'd

4:53

be fun to do this podcast. So

4:55

I'm all about anything you wanna try

4:57

as a great. I too am

4:59

a novelty seek. Like conscious novelty,

5:01

separate. Okay, so I realized. That

5:04

I have made a big effort in

5:07

my life to get real clear about

5:09

consent in my interactions for better or

5:11

worse. And the whole goal of this

5:13

podcast us like model talking and kind

5:15

of like learn about how each other

5:17

we talk but I've never. I don't

5:19

think on pod been like. Hey.

5:21

How personal do you actually want to get to

5:23

date right? Like with professional guess I checked and ahead

5:25

of time with personal guess when I prep them

5:27

to share all but max how press small do so

5:30

Comfy Sharing to they were your boundaries here. We

5:32

can get super personal as were

5:35

recounting. You know, different stories and

5:37

different experiences that I've had. I

5:39

do tend to enjoy details. I

5:42

really like details. If

5:44

I share. Details that

5:46

are too specific for your podcast? I

5:48

mean totally. you know, direct me and

5:50

other way. I guess if it's early.

5:53

And consensual. I would love

5:55

to hear. The details. Are

5:57

cool Because I do. I say all.

6:00

The all the Bad: we're not bad words. like they

6:02

all that naughty words. And all that

6:04

so I I enjoy. Sharing

6:06

stories from our sexual

6:08

experiences, My. Wife's and I and

6:10

I enjoy hearing stories to. It's one of the

6:12

things that really turns me on. Unless

6:14

you're not Uncle Phil, answer for me this question.

6:16

If you had to reach yourself on a scene

6:19

on year with tumbling multiple a shame and one

6:21

be lots of same it all. Where.

6:23

Do you fall today and one of your sumo coaster.

6:25

Looked like front your lifetime. Right

6:27

now at this very moment I think I'm a

6:29

one. Because. I'm on

6:31

the podcast with you and that makes you

6:34

so really sexy because I think your show

6:36

is very sexy. As

6:38

far as the roller coaster.

6:41

I. Think that there have definitely been

6:43

points for my life for I've been

6:45

closer to seven or and eight. I've

6:48

always had a pretty good relationship with

6:50

masturbation for. Various reasons so

6:52

I've never really felt shameful around

6:54

that. You know, in my younger

6:56

years I did when I was

6:59

confused about how things that operate.

7:01

I suppose the yeah I would

7:03

say the I haven't been above.

7:06

Of Fives. Probably. Since

7:08

I was like six I was sick about

7:10

a month ago and when I get sick

7:12

I start feeling real gross about my body

7:15

and hard for me that I think about

7:17

anything you know sexually or for pleasure or

7:19

anything like that. So i i was some

7:21

pretty sick like I'm like a month ago

7:23

so that's healthy weight when last time as

7:26

above five but still my adult life in

7:28

my late thirties I am around a one,

7:30

two or three most of the time I

7:32

think and part of that should be credited

7:34

to my lovely wife to because being with

7:37

her at the point. We. Are

7:39

our in our lives we're help

7:41

each other. Keep. Our number really

7:43

low on that same a meter. Yeah now.

7:45

We. Celebrate each other's sexuality, shows,

7:48

fantasies, and and all that.

7:51

Bomb is hot as fuck and I have been

7:53

lately imagining what it's like the have that sort

7:55

of like approval from apart like in every day

7:57

where I'm like oh right, one of my friends

7:59

like a pool of me and witness me. That's

8:02

nice. I can see how that could be. A

8:04

benefit to some. I can see why. A. Good

8:06

partnership causes people live longer I think.

8:09

Oh the data. So you said the

8:11

day you. At times have been a

8:13

seven or eight. What is most likely to make

8:15

a seven or eight? Or what used to make

8:17

a seven or eight in you. I

8:20

grew up in the midwest as

8:22

I mentioned, and I did grow

8:24

up in a religious family. I

8:26

had a religious upbringing. A

8:29

Southern Baptist to be accurate. And

8:31

a lot of the information that

8:34

you get. Well, you don't get

8:36

much information about sexuality and. Your.

8:38

Own development as a sexual being on

8:40

this earth. You know when you're. In.

8:43

One of those religions, at least from

8:45

my experience anyway. So.

8:47

As I grew older, I had a lot of.

8:50

Self. Discovery that needed to happen and

8:52

a lot of figuring out about my

8:54

sexuality and stuff because. I

8:56

didn't really have that a lot growing up

8:59

like in the church and stuff, but I

9:01

have definitely dealt with that as an adult

9:03

and I've kind of distanced myself from that.

9:05

and I have a new mindset when it

9:07

comes to that kind of stuff. the encounter?

9:09

same I would have around. Masturbation.

9:12

Or sex or desire for

9:14

feelings that I was told

9:16

that I shouldn't have. Anything.

9:20

That. I dealt with that took me up

9:23

to seven or eight. probably stems from

9:25

my religious upbringing. I would. Okay

9:28

so including the masturbation says he talked about

9:30

a man, but what about when you're it

9:32

spicy or seen that it is like a

9:34

general growth sniff? It just

9:37

makes me so gross. Like my body feels

9:39

growth and I can't stop coughing. You know

9:41

when. You're. Not like sometimes of

9:43

when my wife like tries to cuddle with me

9:45

or something and I am not feeling so good

9:47

I just feel like I can't touch her. You

9:49

know is why physically don't want to cough honor

9:51

but at the same time on I just feel

9:53

like my body isn't functioning. Where. It

9:55

needs to be in our to have like

9:57

a valuable sexual experience. Okay,

10:00

so. On. The note of

10:02

some of the kind of like. See me?

10:04

maybe and cultural norms that were attempted

10:06

to be embedded in you. I'm getting

10:08

curious with people lately like. One.

10:11

Other cultural norms have you experienced in your

10:13

life Said: Have I ever like. Squished.

10:16

Your. Personal. Pleasure

10:18

process or maybe has just lead

10:20

to. Shame. And judgment either

10:23

of yourself and or other dozens of

10:25

economic sense of the new question noodle.

10:27

Yeah. The older that I

10:29

get, the miller. That I

10:32

understand that society functions in a

10:34

certain way and there are expectations

10:36

put on you as an individual

10:38

or if you're in a relationship

10:40

as a couple as to how

10:42

you should conduct your personal life,

10:44

your social life, All. That, but

10:46

I think the older that I get, the

10:48

more that I realize that a lot of

10:50

that stuff is. if Assad. And.

10:53

As. Adults, We should learn to live

10:55

the life that we want to live.

10:58

We should. Find ways

11:00

to explore our sexuality,

11:02

Maybe that we're not taught

11:05

through societal implications? You're not.

11:07

Ask. Another. Nebulous implications

11:09

too. I'm like I'm supposed to

11:11

be. We. Why and depend on

11:13

who is center and what are their motives?

11:17

Yeah. I'm source have kids when I'm

11:19

this age. I'm so so To get

11:21

married when I'm this age, I'm supposed

11:23

to only fuck one person for the

11:25

rest of my life. What? You know?

11:27

The I think that we. Are

11:29

told our normal like this is

11:31

how people function in our society.

11:33

A lot of them as I

11:36

get older. For. Me at least

11:38

are not normal. They're. Kind

11:40

of the Tsar in a way. and it's

11:42

the journey of like. Going.

11:44

Through life and especially when you have a

11:47

great partner like I do for so many

11:49

years, exploring all that stuff together and figuring

11:51

out. How you want to live

11:53

your life together, I mean that that's really

11:56

a pretty special fang and I'll be forty

11:58

and a few months here. Right now

12:00

I'm very happy at where I am in

12:02

my exploration as as an adult and as

12:05

a sexual being. I love hearing

12:07

her that long and so excited for

12:09

more details. Services. I'd

12:11

like to. Try

12:13

a new. Introductory. Route

12:16

I would like to hear. What?

12:18

Are you the best at it? Can

12:20

be sexually or but like to next

12:22

in line with your partner. And.

12:24

How did you get to be so good? I'm.

12:27

Really into. Praise.

12:31

Room. Physical praise, you know,

12:33

like I really love, you know, fiscal ass

12:35

worship and of a size and all those

12:37

kinds of things. We'd like you

12:39

give the as worshiper. Receiver are both. I

12:42

give normally he asked. My wife has

12:44

a fantastic as yeah sometimes that's like

12:47

all the foreplay we nice if if

12:49

if you know what I mean I

12:51

just wish for as for. Five.

12:53

To ten minutes and then we're both like

12:55

pretty much ready to go. But. The.

12:58

Reason I mention that specifically

13:00

is she loves receiving praise

13:02

at the same time. She.

13:05

Kind of likes she's discovered.

13:08

You. Know in her in her adult years

13:10

to as she's kind of had her

13:12

sexual awakening in her mid thirties, she's

13:14

discover that she enjoys being the center

13:16

of attention. In a sexual

13:18

scene and she enjoys being praised

13:20

and being touched and all that

13:22

so. Does this one of

13:25

the things that makes of such a good

13:27

match? I think is I love giving it

13:29

and she loves receiving it. On.

13:31

Me: To. Ever

13:33

make you fat something and so shy?

13:35

Especially in a sexual situations. Like I'm

13:37

like proud but I feel like a

13:39

little baby or imperfect. They're looking at

13:41

me like like proud of him. Well.

13:44

Maybe I'm jumping ahead here, but since

13:47

my wife and I have started this

13:49

sexual exploration of doing all kinds of

13:51

different things with your group, sex parties,

13:53

have club and filming, and all this

13:55

kind of stuff. Doing everything that we've

13:57

done the past few years since we've.

14:00

Opened our marriage up a little

14:02

bit to involve other people in

14:04

different ways. having friends that. You.

14:07

Know we do things as a for

14:09

summer, sometimes we split off and tattoos

14:11

or whatever but lots of different experiences

14:13

and I have realized. That.

14:16

While I've had like voyeuristic tendencies for a

14:18

long time, I really enjoy watching people have

14:20

sex. I like it when people watch me

14:22

have sex to account. For. Exhibitionist.

14:25

Yeah, I think so and I would not have known

14:27

that you know if. I. Unexplored.

14:32

With couldn't you like specify the sound of

14:34

the ceiling behind making getting watched? Could I've

14:37

met people among them? Samples for contacts like

14:39

athletic were like yeah baby. Look at me

14:41

like a well I'm right here and I'm

14:43

a little more like. Yes, Well

14:46

I might. Yeah, of course you have permission. One of the what

14:48

I'm to fight. Here you know, like with the flee their

14:50

or and. I

14:52

definitely like be a fly on the

14:54

wall sexing up. You know, like when

14:56

I'm a having sex and then. People.

14:59

Are there watching? Kind of in silence

15:01

and just kind of enjoying taking it

15:03

in. I've. Been in situations where

15:06

my wife and I have been having

15:08

sex and other people have can have

15:10

gathered around to watch in a club

15:12

environment. They asked politely to join in

15:14

in. You know, like. We're in

15:17

the moment. We. Politely say you

15:19

know what? we're just gonna keep it's

15:21

us, see it out and in. a

15:23

bigger crowd will gather around you know

15:25

and then they'll start kind of commenting

15:27

on things that they like to see.

15:29

You know and all that and I

15:31

don't mind taking instruction either. Mom like

15:33

crowd suggest some. Yeah. That's

15:36

how minor I love that on

15:38

Love to follow orders from a

15:40

crowd be great. Handler.

15:42

That's okay. I. Would

15:45

like to hear. What

15:47

is the most hopeful seeing

15:49

that you have learned in

15:51

your lifetime about. Sex

15:53

or. Interpersonal connection and or relationships long

15:56

term relationship like you can pick kind of

15:58

your area of focus. What's

16:00

the most helpful connection? Sex The next

16:03

thing you. Gleaned. In your life. The.

16:05

Most important thing. To.

16:07

Me is communication with your partner,

16:10

your long term partner, or a

16:12

partner that you're just gonna have

16:14

some experiences with one time or

16:17

two times or three times. But

16:19

talking about. What? You like what

16:21

turns you on. A more

16:24

importantly listening. To your

16:26

partner or partners about what they

16:28

like and what turns them on

16:30

and their boundaries and. You.

16:32

Know. Things. You do. During

16:35

foreplay that really get them going

16:37

and get them in the mood

16:39

quickly. Kim is communication. That is

16:41

the most important thing I think

16:43

to have a really good sex

16:46

life with your partner or with

16:48

whoever. I definitely found that

16:50

to. Be looking for myself and I think you

16:52

know you're right. It is something that we hear

16:54

all the time on Target or Emily. More

16:56

said communication and lubrication. And

16:59

and I get really turned on by words and

17:01

I do think talking about it had time to

17:03

turn on. But. What I feel

17:05

like is missing. you know either uber

17:07

nerd who has basically non deep down

17:09

a rabbit hole of studying communication as

17:11

it relates to sacked I find myself

17:13

getting only more and more confused. Do

17:16

you feel like like new in your partner? Just

17:18

have the guest of we can communicate what he

17:20

says. You've had to like work to discover. Tools.

17:23

And like. You have

17:25

any communication with didn't hear. It

17:28

definitely takes work, no matter what I

17:30

mean. We met in two thousand and

17:32

two we started dating and she doesn't.

17:34

Three, we got married in two thousand

17:37

and nine. We sort of fucking other

17:39

people in two thousand and twenty one.

17:41

So that's kind of like the timeline

17:43

of everything that we've been through a

17:45

lot over that time period. And. Certain.

17:47

Things happen in they teach you how to

17:50

communicate better I think so I think it

17:52

may be is a combination of both is

17:54

something that we deftly have to work at.

17:57

But. With. My wife and I

17:59

like me. Theresa their own. We

18:01

still love each other, We're still best

18:03

friends just like we were. As you

18:06

know, eighteen year old kids we met

18:08

in college. so it's a combination of

18:10

that foundation but also the work overtime

18:12

to learn how to communicate better. To.

18:15

Was happening. Explicit conversation that I think we're

18:17

going to work on This style communication. Or

18:19

that like trial and error. like oh shit, a

18:21

big family. Tragedy happened the now we have to talk

18:23

about a ceiling or is it like what? What are

18:25

some other kind of specific. Textures are concrete,

18:28

Pieces are. Your. Communication and

18:30

growth with your partner him look like.

18:33

I think that we. Definitely

18:35

know each other's tendencies with

18:37

certain things. When I get

18:39

bad news or when I'm. Depressed.

18:42

For whatever reason, I don't get depressed a lot,

18:44

but I do every now and then. Every few

18:46

months I get depressed for like three or four

18:48

days and it's awful. I mean, it's terrible, but

18:51

she knows when I get that way that it's

18:53

best that I just have space. you know? And

18:55

she knows not to like. push it, you know,

18:57

And. You know what? What do

18:59

you need For me? You know? what do you

19:02

have so said about? You know fantasy? Do this.

19:04

You know any goes the other way to. We

19:06

know when we need to give each other a

19:08

little bit of space because we know that personally.

19:11

I need time to figure out what's

19:13

happening in my own brain at times.

19:15

And. I need quiet. I need silence.

19:18

I need just time. You know,

19:20

sometimes it's a day, sometimes it's.

19:23

Really? Sometimes like an hour or so, Honestly,

19:25

you know, but we know that about each

19:27

other. And. Because of that were good

19:29

problem solvers. Like when she has a problem

19:31

I can help for saw that when I

19:33

have a problem she can help me solve

19:35

it because we know. What? We need

19:37

to ultimately figure out. What's.

19:39

Going on? Yeah, No. That's. Really

19:42

cool on it seems like next level

19:44

relational and because I am manchin that

19:46

that communication style also allows you to.

19:49

I imagine it creates space. For.

19:51

Desire. Like. Can you

19:53

articulate? Kind of like what you're like

19:55

frequency of decided Sound like you guys

19:58

are really like positive active. That

20:00

might like he knew before snapshot of the

20:02

texture of it for us. I.

20:04

Think that there's a thousand different directions

20:07

I could go with that. Okay,

20:09

concretely how many times a week I'll often

20:11

do play with friends. What did turn on

20:13

to look like for if that's helpful or

20:15

say whatever he wanted to say. But. Yesterday.

20:18

We have sex for times. Which

20:21

is not uncommon for a Sunday when

20:23

neither of us have much to do.

20:26

How do you counter sex? Any.

20:28

Kind of. Touch. In

20:31

orgasm doesn't have to occur for to

20:33

be sex. however. My lovely

20:35

wife. She has the ability

20:37

to com very very very

20:39

easily. so has he. She

20:41

pretty much always comes. I'm

20:44

in because of that. I pretty much

20:46

always come to that like yesterday, I.

20:48

Dinner over in the kitchen once.

20:51

I think one time I I

20:53

was. Early in the morning

20:55

I was masturbating and sometimes I'll do

20:57

that. And. I'll make myself

20:59

really hard worm about to com and then I'll

21:01

come in to the living room to whatever she's

21:04

during. He works from home to actually says he's

21:06

always at home and in you know I'll just

21:08

say hey, can I come in you requested she

21:10

says of course and you know and and we.

21:13

Do it and it's over and like a

21:15

mess. We do that sometimes. We

21:17

in the kitchen we bend or over do literally

21:19

just like a walk up to her and then

21:21

drove from put his and it would do you

21:23

talk of or does it just another day because

21:26

i'm like all of it's hot out my i

21:28

use to ask every time but yeah. Yeah,

21:31

but at a certain point, see let

21:33

me know. Hey, I'm

21:35

open for business pretty much time. like

21:37

because. Factor that Communication items yes, exactly

21:40

that would Iraq my same a meter

21:42

and pretty much the sky rocket my

21:44

desire. I. Had.

21:47

There's. Been times where. She'll

21:49

go to sleep first an all

21:52

masturbate a little bit. And.

21:55

I think wow be really nice to come

21:57

in her right now. You know, And.

22:00

In. The old days of our

22:03

relationship. Our relationship as a bunch of

22:05

really nuanced seeing that have happened that

22:07

of kind of rotten to the point

22:09

that we're at now. but any old

22:11

days I would never never wake her

22:14

up. but now she's okay with if

22:16

if I wake up and say hey

22:18

I can I come in euro quick

22:20

and then I do it. Misses goes

22:23

right back to sleep so we have

22:25

that kind of reports to and established

22:27

a certain set of allowances, rules, dynamics,

22:29

promise and yeah exactly. But. Also yesterday

22:31

we did a few quick he is that

22:34

when she actually work yesterday and was she

22:36

was done with work we had like an

22:38

hour you know where we just watched a

22:40

few videos. We do that sometimes. As for

22:43

play this lot of different ways that we.

22:45

Do for place but we watch some videos

22:47

and then we had sex and really enjoyed

22:49

each other in. it wasn't a rush it

22:51

all. You know sometimes this is like have

22:53

to real quick was banging out you know?

22:55

and that's fine too. Yeah, but other times

22:58

we really like to take the time to,

23:00

you know, enjoy each other's bodies. I'm actually

23:02

really into edging so you know we have

23:04

long sessions. The Cottage the point where I

23:06

just kind of. Use. Her to

23:08

as myself which we both love.

23:10

You know who? Are like literally

23:12

like suck lather like how. when

23:14

he sees her to address hawthorne. I.

23:18

Usually use or pussy to do that.

23:20

You know I like her to be

23:22

very still. When. I'm

23:24

like edgy myself and then I just

23:26

kind of use it how I want

23:28

to and I usually go really slow

23:30

to him. But when I get to

23:33

that point which we both really enjoy

23:35

and she comes, I'm so lucky. I

23:37

mean as I say the psych, I'm

23:39

reminded again how lucky I am. She

23:41

comes so easily. She's really the

23:43

best sex partner because she comes so easily,

23:45

but she's not a pillow princess at all

23:48

she gets off on giving to. So she's

23:50

like the best sex partner there is in

23:52

arms and so. Am

23:54

I saying traces of a dynamic and your

23:57

connection? Is there a Power Dynamic crew? Would

23:59

you think not? Really. We

24:01

don't really explore any traditional

24:04

team's. Not that power

24:06

dynamic, but. I am definitely

24:08

more of a dorm. When.

24:10

It comes to fucking anybody. really

24:12

when she is. Definitely

24:15

a submissive. Seat is not like making

24:17

any decisions ever except when she sucking

24:19

cock. That's when she wants to have

24:21

control. But. Anything

24:24

else. She doesn't want to make any decisions

24:26

when it's just me and her. If it's

24:28

in a group setting whatever seat he makes

24:30

decisions all day every day at her job

24:32

so she enjoys that time. the kind of

24:34

let go in just be you know and

24:36

just tell me where to go, what position

24:39

to be and what I should do or

24:41

cause he's under that yeah which again is

24:43

the really it's a good coupling with me

24:45

as well because I'm kind of the other

24:47

way. Like when he gets to certain point

24:49

and I get really into that, I like

24:51

to be in control. Physically. For.

24:54

More. Ah com was Sounds like

24:56

you guys have really high compatibility

24:59

were physically. Communication. Wire.

25:01

Against. Them you can have been together

25:03

for a not seem to love each

25:05

other other. The connection there so love

25:08

to see you may be answered his

25:10

question both in terms of the relationship

25:12

you have with your wife and also

25:14

when you decide to invite new people

25:16

in together claims new partners like. What?

25:18

Do you need in order to feel. Excited

25:21

to connect intimately that apart.

25:24

Intimately Being Sex. Conversation

25:27

has to happen for me

25:29

personally. He doesn't even have

25:31

to be sexual conversation, it just

25:33

needs to be us communicating virtually

25:36

when we meet new people, whether

25:38

it's single man or couples or.

25:41

We. Have met some single women together as

25:43

well. Date. Single. Men far

25:45

surpassed meaning single women, But.

25:48

It's never something where like come over

25:50

let's do this with it's a new

25:52

person it always nice to be. Let's

25:54

sit down with have a beer with

25:56

smoke. actually let's talk. You know not

25:58

just about sex that with soccer. The

26:00

you know your life and where you are in

26:02

your life and all that. That's the kind of

26:04

stuff that I really enjoy, and quite frankly, it

26:06

turns me on as well. Can.

26:09

You give us. A story

26:12

that exemplifies a moment of you

26:14

and a partner Or partners were

26:16

there is a hot mutual yes.

26:19

Or like a mutually yes that led to hotness.

26:22

The. First story the comes to mind was

26:24

the first time we went to a sex

26:26

club together. And at a certain

26:28

point of mingling upstairs and dancing and

26:31

and having a few drinks, all that

26:33

a certain point we end up down

26:35

in one of the playrooms. And

26:37

we still do this to this day. We actually

26:39

have been to Sex Club in a while, but

26:42

every time we go. We. Always says

26:44

go We get started on her own

26:46

in the play rooms and then it

26:48

seems like things just unwinds naturally and

26:50

it's a really great experience. Although no

26:53

experiences the same as the other the

26:55

we went down to play rooms we

26:57

got started on her own, she. Sucks.

27:00

My cock for a while and then I

27:02

started fucking her missionary and we were on

27:04

this big bed. And as

27:06

I was fucking her missionary, there was

27:08

a couple to my immediate last and

27:11

a couple to my immediate right who

27:13

were. Also. Fucking. So

27:15

there were three couples can write their. One

27:18

of the women. Asked if

27:21

she could. Touch my wife you know

27:23

as I fucked her as she was getting fucked.

27:25

And of course we were like, yes, of course. And.

27:28

Then once she started touching her, the

27:30

other woman from the other couple said

27:32

hey, can I touch her as well.

27:35

The answer, of course, is a resounding yes, Especially

27:37

because you asked nicely. So.

27:40

She's getting touched by two women.

27:42

And. Getting fucked. And.

27:45

My. Wife Being a submissive, I

27:47

knew that she would enjoy me

27:49

taking charge and that moment and

27:51

suggesting something so. I looked

27:53

at the guy in couple a and I

27:56

said hey, so suck your cock if you

27:58

want to. And. He

28:00

looked at his wife and she is like yeah

28:02

and then so see came over. And.

28:05

She was still being touched by the women and

28:07

she was sucking his cock. Basically Canada ended

28:09

up being a little cuddle puddle like

28:11

ever was kind of touching everyone and

28:13

everything. Then we took a break and

28:15

I kind of leans back. and then

28:17

the woman from Coupled be. Politely.

28:20

Asked if she could suck my cock

28:22

and I said yes. Of course. And.

28:25

Then she started doing that and then

28:27

eventually. That. Kind of ignited a

28:29

swamp with that couple. And

28:32

couple a went back upstairs to.

28:35

Get. Water and up in arrest I

28:37

suppose. So we swapped with them

28:39

and it was fantastic. It was

28:41

wonderful. And. Then we went. Back.

28:44

Upstairs and of we sat

28:46

and talked and stuff and

28:48

then couple a. From earlier.

28:50

They. Came up and they started talking to us again.

28:53

And we started talking about our dogs. I

28:55

think it was getting pretty late in the

28:57

evening. It. Was like three thirty in

28:59

the morning and they said hey, would you like

29:01

to go back down to the playrooms? Are you

29:03

guys into that And we're like yes of course.

29:05

So we went back down there and then we

29:08

slept with him that night. I. Really

29:10

like that story because it sort of

29:12

evolved with everyone altogether. Yeah, no chance

29:14

there were six of us, there were

29:17

three couples. It's sort of started like

29:19

that and my wife was the centerpiece.

29:21

This is one of the reasons why

29:24

she'd learned that she sort of like

29:26

The Ten Cents likes praise. He was

29:28

the centre of everything really. And then

29:30

we had a great experience with both

29:33

couples separately. After that, And. Notice,

29:35

you know, one night. So. The.

29:37

Stories like that that I think about and I'm just

29:39

like while I was so sexy that I did that

29:41

that so cool. But

29:44

somehow felt like I just want to your

29:46

affection because I'm hearing the your own In

29:48

a space where you feel comfortable, you're literally.

29:51

One of the people that as I will get the party

29:53

started. You know and then

29:55

be it sounds like you're to

29:57

are already on the same page

29:59

about like. Desire that a party are which.

30:01

I've definitely attempted to navigate things with

30:03

people. Who like? It became clear in real

30:05

time that they weren't lot so I just

30:07

want to shout out for sexiness. There and

30:09

like compliment you on that. You. Know

30:12

a minute? It sounds also like you

30:14

already had. Let's. Say do when asked

30:16

about health and safety. Sounds like you're. Either. In an

30:18

environment where it's already may be squared away ahead

30:20

of time or you did you talk about that

30:22

explicitly or did you use barriers or can with

30:24

what are your needs for playing with other. This

30:27

particular for that we went to.

30:29

You cannot have sex with anyone.

30:32

That you didn't walk in with

30:34

without account. For. Pnv

30:37

or. Does that include like.

30:39

Oral. Stuff as well like are they doing

30:41

condoms for blow jobs and laurels for oral. Of

30:44

specifically for Pnv episode. So that's

30:46

the rule there which of course

30:48

you know we We follow that

30:50

we are big on testing. We

30:52

think it's very important to get

30:54

tested and to share. The.

30:56

Fact that we do get tested with

30:58

other people that we play with because

31:01

we want to foster like a safe

31:03

sex environmental was and we always like

31:05

make a cute little data that together

31:07

we always go go together and it's

31:09

it's fun to be the clinic and

31:11

enough some people lucky you like oh

31:13

no what you do did you tell

31:15

you the running around I've he just

31:17

looks the people give you. The.

31:19

I'm we'll walk in you know, proud and were

31:21

just like our swinger. Seems like we just get

31:23

tested together and then we always go get on

31:26

ice cream if we had tested self. Respect

31:29

Sir Anthony Barr. Proceed. On up,

31:31

party like that. You're not gonna like stop it

31:33

or it sounds like you didn't stop on the

31:36

bed to be like testing testing. What's your fluid

31:38

preference? You know, like. That sounds like

31:40

a more fluid environment. Or maybe you can have decided

31:42

at a time when your comfort level of our. Yeah.

31:45

We definitely know each other's comfort

31:47

levels and with that. We

31:49

have have partners that literally right before you

31:51

know fucking happens like they want us to

31:54

get out our results and and show them

31:56

are cell phone and all that kind of

31:58

stuff and will do that this and sometimes

32:00

kind of a turn off when you're in

32:03

the moments like I floods every minute. difficult

32:05

that a party has your phone and really

32:07

check. Yeah, yeah, exactly Yeah, we're

32:09

not. none of us and our phones

32:11

were only get the idea. I think

32:13

the best way to communicate about it

32:16

is talking about it. Maybe be a

32:18

text or however you first connect with

32:20

the couple. Or. Another single person

32:22

and that way is already been discussed

32:24

and everyone knows each other's boundaries. So

32:27

when you get in the sexual moment

32:29

and everyone starts getting turned on, You.

32:31

Don't have to talk about that stuff.

32:34

time. You've. Already talked about. You

32:36

already know their boundaries. They know your boundaries

32:38

and. And. Everyone kinda can

32:40

go after the party rule

32:42

our use condoms keep that

32:45

protected site your concealed. With

32:47

like saliva exchange on all

32:49

parts or. Were comfortable with

32:52

that other again and then just regular.

32:54

Yeah, cool. Okay, Anything else

32:56

about that story that is like stand out to

32:58

you or that you if you feel like as

33:00

a learning take were to something you can have

33:02

like sexually channels. And. The I

33:04

sexually cherish it a sinking simply not

33:06

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33:08

out of my mouth and I was

33:11

like why why on earth where and

33:13

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33:15

repeated i thought it was brilliant such

33:17

shares because like I do sexually cherish.

33:20

A. Lot of the memories that we

33:22

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33:27

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that maybe it sounds like you were

39:12

just sound or groove but like with

39:14

sexy talking about stuff part of your

39:16

early relationship or was it something you

39:19

developed into. I think in

39:21

order to accurately answer that question

39:23

I would need to give you

39:25

a little background on. Our.

39:28

Relationship. Is some of

39:30

it is very on sexy but I'll

39:32

tell it as quickly and succinctly as

39:34

I can. Work here for the relevant

39:37

bit so you can see answer the

39:39

questions. Yeah, that's what it it. We

39:41

like sharing it with partners to because

39:43

it's a good insight as to who

39:45

we are as a couple but also

39:47

why we are so sweaty, a pair

39:49

of better siso lionel standards. Yes,

39:52

Yes, Yes! So we got

39:54

married in two thousand nine.

39:56

My wife's started getting debilitating,

39:58

had paid. Basically.

40:01

Had all day, every day. migraines on

40:03

one side of her head, on the

40:06

left side of her head and. It

40:09

was very, very difficult to deal

40:11

with. I mean she saw all

40:13

kinds of doctors over you know,

40:15

two or three different states and

40:17

they prescribed are all kinds of

40:19

different junk to try to numb

40:21

the pain as best they could.

40:23

me. She tried things like all

40:25

Simers medication and Botox, an acupuncture,

40:27

anything under the sun that a

40:29

doctor would think of to help

40:31

them on with their migraines, they

40:33

threw it at her. She had

40:35

a couple surgeries as well as

40:37

he had a nurse simulator implanted.

40:39

On her forehead. And. Then she

40:41

had like. Is counted battery

40:43

the size of a credit card that

40:45

was right under her skin like right

40:47

above her chest. Their we had a

40:50

few different things with that in.it was

40:52

like this new technology and doctor said

40:54

like Aldous this will help for sure

40:56

That stuff didn't help either. During.

40:59

This time I haven't have a pretty high sex

41:01

drive as you can probably tell. And

41:03

during this time when she had migraines,

41:05

our sex life was that frequent. Particularly,

41:07

ah, of course of, you, have you

41:10

ever had a migraine. I'm

41:12

luckily have not and but my best

41:14

friend of them so I hear the

41:17

details and I'm just. Really grateful that

41:19

I'm. Yeah. It sounds very

41:21

on sexy unlike impossible. To function. Yeah,

41:24

I've had a couple. I. Mean

41:26

my whole life I've I've probably

41:28

had less than five migraines of

41:30

and I remember that almost all

41:32

of them because of how debilitating

41:34

and painful it was. So it

41:36

it's a It's amazing to me

41:38

that that she actually functioned in

41:40

her life and in her career.

41:42

Through that time. But. We

41:45

didn't have a great sex life during that

41:47

time and a great sex life in college.

41:49

You know, he had sex a lot. Has

41:51

sex said? Skate parks in the car during

41:54

a thunderstorm? You know all kinds of fun

41:56

stories like that though. We got married and

41:58

and she started to be. The being

42:00

these headaches are our sex life basically

42:02

went to almost nothing I would guess.

42:04

On average we did it like once

42:07

every couple months or so. There's probably

42:09

some periods where we went longer without

42:11

doing it, but she basically had to

42:13

get everything together to be able to

42:15

do it. You know to deal with

42:17

the had pain. And. I would have

42:19

to. Kind of to start

42:21

several days before, kind of preparing

42:24

your for it kind of getting

42:26

her ready for a sudden Iran

42:28

sexy the I added stuff but

42:30

the thing is though every some

42:32

we did we would always come

42:35

together. even with a migraine she.

42:37

Could. Come in our which is is amazing

42:39

to me. For. During that time

42:41

I asked her for an open marriage

42:43

simply because I just wanted to have

42:46

sex more. You. Know. She couldn't

42:48

really hear item is use it in

42:50

the midst of dealing with this incredible

42:52

had pain and everything We went to

42:54

couples counseling. We learned how to. Communicate

42:57

better with such conversations around sex

42:59

and frequency and I desire and

43:01

all that kind of stuff. It

43:03

certainly didn't help the frequency because

43:05

you still dealing with migraines. the

43:07

it did help us kind of

43:09

talk through it a little bit

43:12

and it's understand each other. A

43:14

little bit better. But. I'm an

43:16

actor and eventually we side to move to

43:18

Los Angeles. Her company transferred her. And

43:21

in the back of my head I

43:23

thought a new environment may help you

43:25

know her her situation. She also has

43:27

to terrible allergies. She's allergic to everything

43:29

so I thought maybe the has something

43:31

to do a bad enough but. We.

43:34

Finally got out here she saw a doctor. He

43:36

looked over her chart, he talked her for like

43:38

ten minutes and he was like i think I

43:40

know you have and if it is what I

43:42

think it is. Is. A very

43:45

simple cure is just this really

43:47

old medication that hardly no one

43:49

uses anymore, But for whatever reason,

43:51

It. Out it works for this. And.

43:54

She tried it and her headaches for

43:56

gone. Within a couple days she had

43:58

had a constant migraine. For like

44:00

ten years? basically? And

44:03

she got on this medication and

44:05

her headaches were completely gone. And.

44:08

It took us a little bit to Cali.

44:10

Get used to it like see didn't know.

44:12

that is it with states, you know? because

44:15

she tried a few different medications and. I.

44:17

Think the newness of the medication sometimes like

44:19

treats her brain into thinking oh this is

44:22

actually going to work long term so it

44:24

it took her a while to kind of

44:26

except oh wow my headaches are actually gone.

44:29

And. When that happened, she started getting

44:31

super super horny all the time.

44:34

And. It. Was also

44:36

around the time that causes hit. A

44:38

little he had nothing to do

44:41

and nowhere to go. You.

44:43

Know is at home together all day,

44:45

every day. And we basically

44:47

just started sucking all the time.

44:49

I mean, that many years into

44:51

our relationship, we were learning about

44:54

each other's bodies in ways that

44:56

we had never. Learned. Before

44:58

because her headaches for so debilitating for

45:00

all those years. We

45:03

developed. A. Really sexy

45:05

relationship together and. We.

45:07

Would have sessions I hours long.

45:10

We watch sexy movies together, We

45:12

started watching porn together and we

45:14

started making our own videos together

45:17

and watching them, experimenting with different

45:19

things we had never experimented with

45:21

before like anal. And.

45:25

Eventually, conversations around that

45:27

led to. A

45:29

we could do some stuff with other people

45:31

to and there's a lot of different reasons

45:34

why. I think. Our. Relationship

45:36

specifically works for involving other

45:39

people. I. Think it's even

45:41

the we are super tight as a

45:43

couple. We. Kind of

45:45

operate individually, a lot to

45:48

on different things, we definitely

45:50

don't feel any ownership over

45:52

each other's bodies and. Those

45:54

reasons but also to some fun

45:57

reasons to outside Roxanne, you are

45:59

so good. And sucking cock.

46:01

I want to see you do it to

46:03

some other guys like ours. see blow some

46:05

other guys minds. She

46:08

love that idea and they're like so

46:10

that was one of the of the

46:12

things that made his kind of want

46:15

to explore it and try over things.

46:17

It's kind of funny because all those

46:19

years we never liked fantasized about that

46:21

personally either. Very active imagination when it

46:24

comes said sexual experiences and stuff, and

46:26

I never thought about couple swapping. I'd

46:28

never thought about being an orgy or

46:30

anything. But. We. Can't

46:32

have discovered together that we wanted to

46:35

do it together. And. She later

46:37

told me that she thought that she needed

46:39

to be the one to suggest it because

46:41

I had ask for an open marriage years

46:43

earlier. And. She said was issues like

46:45

you know I I need says you know share

46:47

that I think this would be fun for us

46:50

to do together. We. Just took to

46:52

it. I mean, we didn't really need much, you

46:54

know, defend the toes in the water. It

46:56

happen pretty quickly for us, you know, like.

46:59

Starting. To involve other people and

47:01

having different experiences and. It's.

47:03

All very exciting and solve still

47:06

very very exciting. Like. I said

47:08

we started making our own videos and now

47:10

she has and only fans and we. Put.

47:12

Our videos on this website called make Love,

47:15

Not Sworn. Yeah, I have interviewed

47:17

Cindy Gallop, the founder. and the

47:19

early gonna have has easy to love you to

47:21

the only fans and the make lot of a

47:23

different com yeah or do you are innocent like

47:25

for she was very like. Doc.

47:28

You very like just put the

47:30

camera mental? Yeah, they actually have.

47:32

Like. Suggestions for the kind of fab

47:34

videos that you summit on the web

47:36

sites and they don't like anything to

47:38

doctor. They don't like anything to edited.

47:41

I think they say nothing. Presentational actually.

47:43

Which. Is a very like for. My

47:46

artistic brain with like. These.

47:48

Rules are unclear like I can't understand

47:50

the michael all of said everything. This

47:52

because I'm trying to understand the societal and and

47:54

I'm like that by definition there is a camera

47:57

that missing on consensual glory hole filming. I don't.

47:59

Have a license, I would look

48:01

like secret camera what are you me my brain gets

48:03

cotton binaries their little bit but okay so you have

48:05

like separate stuff you put. On make love not porn

48:08

Birth is only founder different style. There

48:10

is some overlap. Okay, like they'll

48:12

be. Some videos that we put on

48:14

make Love Not Pouring. There are like a half hour.

48:16

Of just us with the cameras said

48:18

honesty and stationary the entire time. Yeah

48:21

you know and in with only. fans.

48:23

will do like some shorter videos and

48:25

point of view stuff of me holding

48:27

the phone and him when we find

48:29

partners that are okay with them being

48:32

on the page know will involve them

48:34

to. I think the criteria is a

48:36

little different but there is some stuff

48:38

that I think overlaps with places. So.

48:42

Who would you like concretely describe among

48:44

without labeling you too much for just

48:46

so soon as a canvas feel for

48:48

it sounds like. Couple. Them

48:50

flopping. It sounds like yes to content

48:52

creators, but that's not necessarily a priority.

48:54

or it's like they're for to overlap

48:56

and there's hotness. Or maybe they don't

48:58

even have to be. Creators just willing.

49:01

To on the pieces for me. like what he was

49:03

looking for in terms of inviting other connection and this

49:05

unlucky still do a lot of. Sex

49:07

with just each other. And do you still have a lot

49:09

of solo sex with himself? Yes,

49:12

Yes to all to all that yeah

49:14

I think as far as like what

49:16

we're looking for because we get that

49:18

question a lot when we first to

49:20

next with couples on the app or

49:22

wherever else. We

49:25

really value new experiences

49:27

whenever. There's. An opportunity for

49:30

us to do something that we've never done

49:32

before. We normally wanna do it because we

49:34

never done it before. you know? said? There

49:36

is a lot of that for sure. But

49:38

what redefine on a couple? That's like looking

49:40

for a unicorn? you know? I mean we've

49:42

been with some women that are proud the

49:45

state that they're unicorns and it's always super

49:47

hot. Really fun. More the we're using that

49:49

word makes me wonder of I have a

49:51

different definitions that's just like a guest star

49:53

coming into your relationship. Or do you mean

49:55

like as. A third, you, and eight

49:57

or what he means that typically all around.

50:00

The Going. For. The concept of unicorn

50:02

can I know it can be very hot

50:04

button for people and I do not understand

50:06

quite. Yeah yeah this is another reason why

50:08

don't totally like labels in general Because labels

50:11

make. People. Think a certain

50:13

thing. Now. But also just to push

50:15

back as a brain who like a really really

50:17

love to have a deep conversation all the time

50:19

people like her wrist six and get exhausted when

50:22

I try to like have the conversation to get

50:24

to system clear every time. So it's like how

50:26

old are hopeful sometimes but. I. Agree they're stupid

50:28

and horrible and inaccurate because people project all

50:30

over the place and don't checking to see

50:33

if their definitions. Of labels match and that's

50:35

why that's why I like. To. Stop

50:37

and be like what does your version of

50:39

unicorn in this context to day began. To.

50:42

Me, It means a single woman

50:44

that enjoys cooking up with couples

50:46

occur. Is it. A. Woman know cause I

50:48

know there are. I have interviewed someone who

50:51

the unicorn with or with the horn don't

50:53

think. He had

50:55

leather the unicorn. By don't know I don't

50:57

have extended. Their spoke is a you're not

50:59

set you're not out looking for like. A

51:02

single third. To join your partnership your kind of

51:04

open. Maybe it's one person, Maybe it's a couple.

51:06

Maybe we make content? Maybe we don't but maybe

51:08

we have a great real time as cowan. Hearing.

51:11

Yes, I think that. There.

51:13

Are certain relationships that we have with

51:15

other couples? Where. We do all

51:18

kinds of different situations you know,

51:20

like will do a same bed,

51:22

couple swab. Or. Will split

51:24

off and do like dinner separately. You.

51:27

Know I'll take her out and

51:29

then he'll take Roxanne out. What?

51:31

Dinner separately and and more of got

51:33

separately and then we don't at where

51:36

we come together afterwards and will basically

51:38

have have a swat We've done it

51:40

where. We hook up separately and

51:42

then we send each other like videos

51:44

and stuff steering. We kind of like

51:46

that, you know, length months now. Likes

51:48

them mail in a. Male female

51:51

couple will come over and will have a

51:53

male female male. And then all

51:55

be the guest. yeah I their place you

51:57

know and will do a male female male

51:59

that ways. Well we sort of enjoy where

52:02

the opportunities are just endless. you know how

52:04

much he didn't do you now and you

52:06

have to find people that. Kind.

52:08

Of a line with your mentality and

52:10

and have similar boundaries I think national

52:13

that be A We really just enjoy

52:15

the variety and doing things that we've

52:17

never done before and exploring things I

52:20

do stuff that we're into. That.

52:22

We had no idea we will be into.

52:25

I me, I like it when she pees on me. Now

52:27

I'd never thought I'd be into that out about. Come

52:29

up. With. Kind of talked about it

52:32

joking. You know she had a guy that

52:34

she connected with. We fucked up with him

52:36

a few different times to. Was. Very

52:38

clear about hey, if she ever wants to

52:41

pee on me, I would love that because

52:43

I'm super into that and at the time

52:45

we were both like that or Nellis Air

52:47

and on of that's in our wheelhouse. You

52:49

know that him asking about it sort of

52:51

got us thinking. sort of got me thinking

52:54

like on. What? Is

52:56

it about that? The people? Really?

52:58

Enjoy! And. I just got kind

53:00

of curious. So we have like

53:02

a play party at our house one

53:04

Saturday afternoon i think it was us

53:06

and then on. To. Of our

53:09

friends a single male and single female

53:11

so we had them over. That's another

53:13

thing we really like. Really like introducing

53:15

people. I mean, I. Really? Enjoy

53:17

watching. Watching them thought after

53:20

I like introduce them it's it's a big

53:22

turnoff for me but we had play party

53:24

There was four of us I think I

53:26

had already com once that everyone was was

53:28

still playing in. Roxanne said she had to

53:31

pee in I just cooking Li said hey

53:33

you are beyond me. And.

53:35

Then everyone got quite in the

53:37

room. Or an adult movie. I

53:39

kind of said it halfway. kidding.

53:42

I. Did half weeks with the Bethlehem.

53:44

Yeah. And She said. Okay

53:47

for we never done that before So we

53:49

went in the bathroom. we were giggling the

53:51

entire time talking lighthouse we do this in

53:53

a worse as I lay in. you know,

53:55

how do I do this myself? All this.

53:58

And. The to the we it

54:00

and reduce were fucking in our bedroom

54:02

right next to the bathroom for him

54:04

so she peed on me and it

54:06

was. It was great I we have

54:08

little ones that are results. Melissa position

54:10

how did did you lack I laid

54:12

down in the tub and then she

54:14

kind of straddled me and kind of

54:16

p like. On my stomach, She.

54:19

Can't squat down over it. Although now when

54:21

we do it, we only done it three

54:23

times, but now we do it. I'll ask

54:25

her to feel my caucus. I really like

54:27

that on your feals move. I

54:30

like it because. There's

54:32

an anticipation is like a build up to

54:34

it, almost like an orgasm. You know where

54:36

I'm laying there and that is a position

54:39

that I have never been in before. You

54:41

know, like seeing you know p come out

54:43

of a pussy like that. Close so the

54:46

build up and unlike the visual of it

54:48

and it just. Feels. Really nice

54:50

and warm. Oh and because it's her, you

54:52

know it. It makes me feel good because

54:55

of that. But after to be sastre we

54:57

got done. We want stuff in the shower

54:59

and stuff and then we went into the

55:01

bedroom. And. They were so fucking

55:04

our sights in Iraq to have been

55:06

on me and I. We know we

55:08

can hear everything you guys are setting

55:10

plastic. It felt sexy doing it in.

55:12

it's sexy remembering. It and it's such

55:15

a beautiful illustrations of like trying something

55:17

new on finding that from that movie

55:19

with an aneurysm for behind Arsenal of

55:21

Go For It either Yeah, like his

55:23

family was I think is so hot

55:25

about play partnership right? Like people who

55:27

are just I've been thinking a lot

55:29

about irresistible invitations this year. And what

55:31

do I want to say? Yes To

55:33

really want us to yes to venture

55:35

buddy toward my. Son's sex scenes from.

55:37

The And Pound. You know all of

55:39

that's how I love. that's why. Okay,

55:42

tell us a story Now that kind

55:44

of the traps elites for you. nourishing

55:46

connection. Like worth a moment or a

55:48

time or us suck moment whereas. You

55:51

know where you felt nourished and

55:53

your connection. We really

55:55

like Hot Wasting. Were. Really

55:57

into that. A sign in case

55:59

we have a listener who brand new to the

56:02

term searcher. To. Me: it's

56:04

watching. Some. One

56:06

else. Fuck your wife. And. You're

56:08

not involved. If you are involved, that would be

56:10

something else. You know that would be a threesome.

56:13

But. To me it's it's like watching someone

56:15

else again. That's something that I never

56:17

thought I would be into. In the

56:19

beginning I thought wow, that would just

56:21

be weird if I was just like

56:23

watching. you know when I was involved

56:25

in it seems like that be really

56:28

weird. but when I watched a man

56:30

just really love on her and go

56:32

down on her and praise her and

56:34

please her. And. Then I

56:36

watched her please him. You know, suck

56:38

your cock and and just. Do.

56:41

It beautifully. I'm

56:43

laying on the bed next to them. I

56:46

don't touch my site. I have a few times

56:48

are usually I don't touch myself easily. I just

56:50

lay there and I just stare at her face.

56:53

Those kinds of moments we definitely feel

56:55

can person when we're both getting pleased

56:57

Sexually, we feel it's you know, like

57:00

I feel that for her in that

57:02

moment. In the same is true when

57:04

she watches me. With a

57:06

woman said those kinds of experiences

57:09

where you know. She's.

57:11

Getting thoughts and I'm just laying

57:13

on the bed next to her

57:15

and just looking at her. were

57:17

staring into each other's eyes were

57:19

connecting. That way or when

57:21

she's sucking someone elses caught and

57:23

so like look over at me

57:25

and we can like those things.

57:28

I feel like when we have

57:30

those experiences in it's like reliving

57:32

the same sexual moment together and

57:34

we create this finds that wasn't

57:36

there before. Sentence. Your question?

57:38

I feel like maybe that's kind of

57:41

wrong place. It's about nourishment rankings. Your

57:43

proof? Yeah, team. On what does

57:45

feel nourishing. I love. And

57:47

I think that. The. Really good story that encapsulates.

57:50

You know and and author mean me on the me wonder

57:52

so many things that will first I'm just gonna ask you.

57:54

What do you think makes you. A

57:57

great lover and be as generous as

57:59

powerful beyond. But generous. like? why are

58:01

you a great lover? What do you do? well

58:03

when you offer. I'm good at aiming

58:05

for see. What makes

58:07

you good at it? Gimme a

58:10

mini scissors or something. Ssssss. Enthusiasm

58:12

is easily the first ingredient, right?

58:14

Yeah, well. this is one of

58:16

the things that is beneficial for

58:19

a couple if they want to

58:21

explore doing things with other people

58:23

because. I was always able

58:25

to please her with my mouth and

58:28

she was always super into it and

58:30

she always game but she comes really

58:32

easily anyway. So what we started have

58:34

eaten: Swaths. And I found

58:37

that I could make other women com.

58:40

You know pretty well to that gave

58:42

me a confidence than my didn't have

58:44

before. you know just being with my

58:46

wife and the same is true for

58:48

her. like when she started sucking other

58:50

guys coxon, shumate guys com and they'll

58:52

be like wow You know no one's

58:54

ever able to may become a just

58:56

their mouth and see love the and

58:58

I love it. you know like learning

59:00

about each other that way and stuff

59:02

so. Being with other people,

59:04

I've learned that like. I'm good

59:06

at physical touch, you know, and I

59:08

I enjoy eating pussy and I'm. Pretty.

59:11

Good at at making women com that

59:13

way. and I think that. Being.

59:16

In a relationship, you know you learn to listen

59:18

to each other on such a deep level. Nonverbal

59:21

listening to We May Hope.

59:24

This isn't that. Basically what When you

59:26

take what you've learned from your own

59:28

relationship and when you have experiences with

59:31

other people? You take

59:33

what you learned in your relationship and

59:35

apply it to that new relationship whether

59:37

it's sexual or conversation, her whatever And

59:39

it definitely gives me a confidence of

59:41

like wow, I know how to treat

59:44

a woman. The same that

59:46

makes me feel really, really

59:48

sexy about. Being a

59:50

swinger or in a what it whatever you want

59:52

to call us what we do. The.

59:54

Thing that makes me feel really, really sexy

59:56

is that. Her

59:58

and I are very open

1:00:00

to doing lots of different

1:00:02

things. And. When

1:00:04

people learn that about us, it turns

1:00:07

them on. You. Now facing like noom

1:00:09

one of the possibility I do my yeah ah

1:00:11

you know what? What are you in suits? Can

1:00:13

I do this like oh yeah you could do

1:00:15

that Oh can I do this? Yeah of course

1:00:18

we do that all the time. you know I

1:00:20

it's funded to be open and to say yeah

1:00:22

we've experienced that stuff and if you guys wanna

1:00:24

do it with us we be honored. So.

1:00:27

Is that once you've already had the conversation and

1:00:29

you know their people you want to play with,

1:00:31

It's kind of like wider opening? or does it

1:00:33

depends partner, partner, Sometimes it can

1:00:35

be a brand new relationship. You know,

1:00:38

the first time meeting that we've. You.

1:00:40

Know never had with that couple

1:00:42

or person before or other times

1:00:44

you can be a couple that

1:00:46

we've had several different. Encounters

1:00:48

experiences with. And then

1:00:51

we talk about exploring something new

1:00:53

together and that that can be

1:00:55

fun to like a pair of

1:00:57

permission Cancer/ Play partner. You know,

1:01:00

like you're like permission getting paid partners? that?

1:01:02

that's fun. It. Sounds like you're

1:01:04

having a lot of straightest experiences have

1:01:06

you? Ever taken to the high on a D

1:01:08

and of girls have that were not. You end

1:01:10

up like romantically playing with Hammer more. The talk

1:01:12

about guys. Will. That's another

1:01:15

thing that I never knew I

1:01:17

would be into. I never developed

1:01:19

crushes on any of my male

1:01:21

friends, or I never really looked

1:01:23

is another man and saw him

1:01:25

as attractive. you know, and maybe

1:01:27

a lot of that came from

1:01:30

my programming. But really, all the

1:01:32

experiences that I've had with males

1:01:34

have been in a group setting.

1:01:36

I've. Kind of learned that. A

1:01:39

group setting. Is. Everyone

1:01:41

is. Open with

1:01:43

everyone else If it's not just like.

1:01:46

Male. Female, male, female. But if it's

1:01:48

just like everyone kind of on

1:01:50

top of each other, essentially, those

1:01:52

are the kinds of experiences I've

1:01:55

learned that I really, really like.

1:01:57

Oh, and law that that I

1:01:59

just go. Or yeah, a diverse experience

1:02:01

I had with a male was a couple

1:02:03

swap situations and he's asked if he could

1:02:05

touch me and I said yes in denial

1:02:07

of I could touch him and he said

1:02:09

yes and they were both like okay this

1:02:11

is all right, this isn't. Bearded.

1:02:13

All this is cool, you know? And

1:02:16

then from there I became open

1:02:18

to doing more and more things

1:02:20

in that realm. and I've discovered.

1:02:23

What? Can happen That really

1:02:25

turns me on. A. Particular I

1:02:27

really enjoy when like the other

1:02:29

guy's wife will suggest that I

1:02:31

do something or better yet, she

1:02:33

tells me to do something google

1:02:36

war Then I'm all about it.

1:02:38

Though those instances of the only instances

1:02:40

where I interact sexually with another male,

1:02:43

I haven't done anything one on one

1:02:45

as of yet. I think I'll be

1:02:47

open to it as it was the

1:02:50

right. Person the right

1:02:52

situation but. We.

1:02:54

Actually had a really sexy swap

1:02:56

with a couple a couple months

1:02:58

ago. The guy can have

1:03:01

had my same perspective with bisexuality because

1:03:03

I told him like yeah, all interact

1:03:05

with dues and in all suck cock

1:03:07

and I like ring guys suck my

1:03:09

cock and everything and yeah, I like

1:03:11

to seeing and and all that, but

1:03:14

I don't really feel bisexual because I

1:03:16

feel like I'm not attracted to men.

1:03:19

Like. If there weren't any of women

1:03:21

in their essentially you know like of

1:03:23

contact for front of her. Yeah and

1:03:25

he said i feel the same way,

1:03:27

like I like interacting with guys that

1:03:29

I would never say I'm bisexual because

1:03:31

there's not really in the trash and

1:03:33

outside of the sexual see if you

1:03:35

will. mark the now so I still

1:03:37

kind exploring the depths of my brain,

1:03:39

you know where where I kind of

1:03:41

fit interacting with with other males. you

1:03:43

know in a sexual way. But a

1:03:45

Roxanne my wife is the same way.

1:03:48

she likes being with girls. And girls

1:03:50

love her and I love that. Obviously

1:03:52

just how could you not? But she

1:03:54

has never done anything one on one

1:03:56

with another woman. Maybe. We'll get

1:03:58

there at some point like we don't. Our

1:04:01

minds off to any highly. Yeah,

1:04:03

it's weird. Like. A my Lgbtq

1:04:05

now because I like soccer in on them like

1:04:07

I don't know I don't really feel like it,

1:04:10

I still feel like I'm straight. You know really

1:04:12

the reason why I don't like labels seen as

1:04:14

to why we are too to be move that

1:04:16

and. I know noise, I feel you on

1:04:18

all levels and someone I think it's always nice

1:04:20

to be like. I. Yeah, we are actually all

1:04:22

a little clearer than maybe we will admit.

1:04:24

Maybe it's not about. Sexual flexibility? whatever.

1:04:27

But it's like none of us are quote

1:04:29

unquote normal and I think us trying to

1:04:31

like, pretend like were normal is pushing all

1:04:33

of our beautiful. Creativity. And

1:04:35

and all that stuff but say. I would say

1:04:38

yes even if you don't feel part of a

1:04:40

community and also you are creating your own a

1:04:42

hot. Queries: Middle and

1:04:44

selectable community with with yourself and

1:04:46

your aspirations. And I'm having lots

1:04:48

of like it's funny because you I have fantasies

1:04:50

about quads that are like I would be with

1:04:52

every. Other person intellect like and can be dating

1:04:55

by in a sucker. Sort of way. and then those

1:04:57

two, and then those two. and then all of which sounds

1:04:59

like you are. Have. Done parts of and maybe

1:05:01

you know many won't meet the right couple to. You

1:05:04

have like a everyone plays solo and

1:05:06

compare and contrast that might and here

1:05:08

for you and so doing things males,

1:05:10

ages and and I'm open to it

1:05:12

is there other. Stuff on your i

1:05:15

mean it sounds like you're open

1:05:17

to opportunity but you have any

1:05:19

specific things on your erotic and

1:05:21

or creative bucket list besides that

1:05:23

that feel relevant to talk about.

1:05:26

You know, right now in this moment I.

1:05:28

I'm very fortunate to say this. I I There's

1:05:30

nothing on my bucket list I'm just like

1:05:32

dying to do. You. Not I mean

1:05:34

for me at this point it's more

1:05:37

about. What? Can happen,

1:05:39

You know? Yeah. In

1:05:41

and to be surprised you know and all

1:05:44

that. That wasn't true when we first started

1:05:46

involving other people because I had all these,

1:05:48

Of course I had all the things I

1:05:50

wanted to try like I wanted. You know,

1:05:53

have sex with two women at once you

1:05:55

know and I want a couple swap and

1:05:57

are was you Do this And we'd experienced.

1:06:00

All that since it's fun to be

1:06:02

in space of like no expectations, you

1:06:04

know whatever happens happens. Okay,

1:06:07

so. Take us through your formative.

1:06:09

Timeline, You know we've heard lots of

1:06:11

really good juicy details already, but started

1:06:13

the very beginning for us and just

1:06:15

hit me on the milestones. I want third

1:06:17

degree you about every single little moment. But

1:06:19

I would love to hear. Starting with

1:06:21

the very first time you remember sex

1:06:24

feeling relevant in your life, thoughts, feelings

1:06:26

and. In your own personal evolution.

1:06:29

I feel fortunate in that. All.

1:06:31

Of my formative sexual experiences from

1:06:34

you know, being a young teenager,

1:06:36

all the way up into college

1:06:38

and in adulthood. Were.

1:06:41

Positive experiences, I

1:06:43

feel very lucky that the story of

1:06:45

our i lost my virginity. I

1:06:47

think it's just really really beautiful. I remember like

1:06:50

being a church camp and this girl that I

1:06:52

really liked kind of pulled me into the woods

1:06:54

and as the first time I made out with

1:06:56

some on the first time my tongue was in

1:06:58

someone elses mouth whole real. I

1:07:00

was. Fourteen.

1:07:03

Probably. Some like that I lost

1:07:05

my virginity when I was sixteen. I

1:07:08

didn't really have like a very active

1:07:10

sex life. I guess when I was

1:07:12

in high school I had sex with

1:07:14

for different girls all of them just

1:07:16

one time that all of experiences I

1:07:19

can look back on fondly and. All.

1:07:21

Of them I think I learned a lot from

1:07:23

to. I lost my virginity

1:07:26

the summer after I turned sixteen.

1:07:28

And. It was a girl who I use

1:07:30

to go to school with. And.

1:07:33

I. Continued she moved

1:07:35

and I continued chatting with her eye

1:07:37

on. A Oh well. I think

1:07:39

it's a. Yeah. We just like

1:07:41

talked and flirted via chat for

1:07:43

months after that and then she

1:07:45

turned sixteen and she got a

1:07:47

car. And. She said hey all.

1:07:50

Drive up and sees you know she lives like

1:07:52

a couple hours away. I say. So

1:07:55

she. Drove to my

1:07:57

house and my entire family was gone.

1:08:00

We watched a movie together. And.

1:08:02

We kissed, And.

1:08:05

We took off each other's pants. The.

1:08:07

Way that. It's physically happened

1:08:09

to me, losing my virginity.

1:08:11

Words hurt, straddling, mean. Sincerely.

1:08:14

And. Then her lowering herself on

1:08:16

to. Me: Very. Slowly

1:08:19

and kind of deliberately. And.

1:08:22

It's oh. Sexy.

1:08:24

For me to think about that.

1:08:27

And of course I lasted about.

1:08:30

Five. Seconds. I. Went to the

1:08:32

bathroom to clean up and everything and then I

1:08:34

came back into my bedroom. And. Then

1:08:36

we did it again and the

1:08:38

second time was longer. It felt

1:08:40

like our experiments in like we

1:08:42

were both experimenting, trying different things

1:08:45

and all that. See. Actually,

1:08:47

Was not emergency. Had had a boyfriend

1:08:49

before and she had told me about

1:08:51

that and everything. And. Then

1:08:54

afterwards. It. Is just

1:08:56

had a very lovely experience. I

1:08:58

mean both of us just were

1:09:00

feeling positive vibes from it. And.

1:09:03

Then she last. And then we

1:09:05

talked a little bit online afterwards, but.

1:09:07

Then. We just kind of sell off communication

1:09:10

and it was really kind of beautiful. The

1:09:12

way that it happen, it's it's almost like.

1:09:14

We. Were meant to be together. To experience

1:09:17

that together. And. Then after we lived

1:09:19

in separate places and it's like okay now

1:09:21

we go are different ways and we live

1:09:23

our lives. That's sort of

1:09:25

how fell to me if there wasn't

1:09:27

any pressure of like a relationship. like

1:09:29

all we've been together for few months

1:09:31

I think it's time to do it.

1:09:33

It wasn't necessarily spontaneous, but. Us

1:09:36

like physically having sex I think was

1:09:38

spontaneous but us being together in that

1:09:40

moment I was not spontaneous sounds. That's

1:09:42

maybe why as such a good relationship

1:09:44

with sex and and why I have

1:09:46

always had kind of a high sex

1:09:49

drive and and tried to explore that

1:09:51

because I had a really good first

1:09:53

experience. Yeah ha. I

1:09:55

mean it's a wild considering similar backgrounds

1:09:57

don't like. I've talked to so many

1:09:59

different. People and there doesn't seem to be

1:10:01

a clear pattern between, especially someone's raised with

1:10:03

the religious same situation that it's on. like

1:10:06

you grow up and like that can be

1:10:08

a lot for people, but it sounds like

1:10:10

you're. Like. Resilient And granted, when

1:10:12

do you feel like you started to leg? Understand

1:10:15

sex or kind of like what was your

1:10:17

are unfolding like sexually with it like you

1:10:19

are like nah I'm good. Knew about the

1:10:21

partnership because we know little bit about once

1:10:23

you got. With your wife? What? that part of your

1:10:25

life. With like but leading up to that. I

1:10:28

had sexual intercourse with for the different girls

1:10:30

when I was in high school and each

1:10:32

one was only one time and they were

1:10:34

all different. Experiences and they

1:10:37

were all. Really good and

1:10:39

really sexy I suppose. But.

1:10:42

Whenever I started having consistent sex

1:10:44

with one person which was my

1:10:46

wife Roxanne in college after we

1:10:48

started dating, that's when I really

1:10:51

started to kind of like explore.

1:10:53

What? We could do you know, and

1:10:55

like what? Really turns

1:10:58

me on and just how. Connectors.

1:11:01

It can be. You know I

1:11:03

love talking to her about like our dorm

1:11:05

room sex you know and I see I

1:11:07

think I'm isn't earlier like there. There's one

1:11:09

sexual memory in college that I have as

1:11:12

he does sometimes or roommates would be in

1:11:14

the room so we'd have to get the

1:11:16

car and drive around town and find a

1:11:18

place to have sex my car at as

1:11:20

you do satisfy the once on their sisters

1:11:22

rental downpour, big thunder storm and there is

1:11:25

a skate park kind of outside of town.

1:11:27

in a town that we went to college

1:11:29

we drove to the state park. Pouring

1:11:32

down rain, we fucked in the backseat of

1:11:34

her car and it was. It was just

1:11:36

a really nice memory. You know she's like

1:11:38

wow. And think about where I

1:11:40

am sexually know how he knows like

1:11:42

a light years ahead of of where

1:11:44

I was bad as far as openness

1:11:46

and exploration said. There's. Lots of

1:11:49

stories like that with my wife in college

1:11:51

where I'm just like, oh that was kind

1:11:53

of the beginning or more. Of

1:11:55

our development as a couple and

1:11:57

our development as people. That and.

1:12:00

Having sex together. With. Easier

1:12:02

than impossible question for you, but it's coming from

1:12:04

a very single, mostly single, most of my life

1:12:06

person. Like? what is it like a know you

1:12:09

don't know any other way? But what is it

1:12:11

like to spend. Deck it like your

1:12:13

adulthood with a person I know you're opening

1:12:15

is boring. But I was like how do you

1:12:17

think about it or understand it? Feel it? For

1:12:20

me personally, it's amazing and it's not

1:12:22

easy all the time. I mean, the

1:12:25

communication thing is something you have to

1:12:27

work at people. Seem so hard and

1:12:29

I hear so many spouses saying

1:12:31

things like they're completely irrational in

1:12:33

this way. that to me. Of a

1:12:35

big fucking deal and among the from single

1:12:37

they. Just don't like having

1:12:40

soul heart like just communication. Yeah,

1:12:42

seems like you were. Yeah I

1:12:44

thought. yeah yeah. okay. More

1:12:47

fortunate to that. Because.

1:12:49

We did start dating when she was

1:12:51

eighteen. I was nineteen and we're both

1:12:54

going to turn forty this year. So.

1:12:57

We. Been together as a couple in

1:12:59

our lifetimes longer than we have not

1:13:02

been a couple. If that

1:13:04

makes his. And now you hit the

1:13:06

tipping point recently when I asked for

1:13:08

an open marriage during. While. We like

1:13:10

to call the headache years when she had

1:13:12

headaches and he did counseling. It

1:13:14

helps a lot with a like communicating

1:13:16

and. Trying. To understand each

1:13:18

other better. Like her trying to understand my

1:13:21

perspective on why I wanted to have sex

1:13:23

more? Be understanding exactly what she was dealing

1:13:25

with. As far as dealing with the pain

1:13:27

and up you know all the emotions that

1:13:29

come with that bitch about have some depression

1:13:32

during that time to because she had a

1:13:34

migraine that literally would not go away. So

1:13:36

one of the things that. Really

1:13:38

sticks in my brain as to what

1:13:40

the counselor said to us is that.

1:13:43

When. You're with the same person

1:13:45

for that many years If you're

1:13:48

both dedicated to the idea

1:13:50

of growing together. With. That's

1:13:52

when the relationship stuff gets really

1:13:55

good. You know, when I have

1:13:57

a problem. It's her

1:13:59

problem is. Oh and she helps me

1:14:01

solve it when she is a problem is

1:14:03

my problem is well and I help her

1:14:06

solving we have that. Kind of

1:14:08

relationship with each other. and again,

1:14:10

it's something that. Doesn't.

1:14:12

Just happen, you know you have to work

1:14:14

at it, but also if you have a

1:14:17

really strong connection with someone and you have.

1:14:19

The. Same core beliefs which we do

1:14:22

if you have the same kind

1:14:24

of perspective and understanding about the

1:14:26

world and humanity, which we. You.

1:14:28

Learn and grow together in really intense

1:14:30

ways And you know that, especially if

1:14:33

you're both woke sexually and you're both

1:14:35

slutty. Anyone, you want to try lots

1:14:37

of things and do lots of things

1:14:39

and explorer lots of things and you

1:14:42

go through that together. And. You

1:14:44

see each other of all that way

1:14:46

together. It's it's amazing. A it's magical.

1:14:48

How do you think the world would

1:14:50

change as bought? With the norm for

1:14:52

couples. And I guess who's getting lead?

1:14:54

If we could like look at each other's

1:14:56

partners in these like I'm one of my

1:14:59

would have a larger feeling of. Community.

1:15:01

Again, assuming it's the norm, I feel like we're

1:15:03

in for there's so much like. Like.

1:15:06

The media seems to be really obsessed with a

1:15:08

love triangle. Thawing Lands and and and five you

1:15:11

find for what have we with. An orgy

1:15:13

story line. You know, their. Job.

1:15:16

I fantasize about that very idea

1:15:18

all the time. You know? I

1:15:20

said size. About a world

1:15:22

where. You know any man

1:15:24

or woman. Can. See my wife in

1:15:27

a. Public setting and go up to

1:15:29

her and hit on her like right in front

1:15:31

of me. And. It's

1:15:33

okay. it's perfectly fine. Just.

1:15:35

What I feel like that a lot of ladies

1:15:38

out there being like now don't get on us

1:15:40

more. Happened at the university like a correct

1:15:42

or not property you know. and it's like

1:15:44

it's so funny the I hear I hear

1:15:46

you on that. Yeah, you're right,

1:15:48

but it it makes me feel. Sexy.

1:15:51

And it it makes her feel good to

1:15:53

that. I enjoy it when other people might.

1:15:56

Find. Her attractive and as gravity

1:15:58

pulls secure it so. Like yeah,

1:16:01

That's a beautiful. Thing. Yeah,

1:16:03

to do we do a

1:16:05

deathly takes some emotional security.

1:16:08

A deafening take. Some open mindedness.

1:16:10

And. It takes communication. It takes talking

1:16:12

through things, talking about what you don't

1:16:15

like talking about. which do like talking

1:16:17

about what you fantasies are talking about

1:16:19

what your boundaries are checking in with

1:16:21

each other. I mean, even when her

1:16:23

and I thought we still checking with

1:16:25

each other a me, especially because I'm

1:16:28

usually the one in control you know,

1:16:30

like. Are. You okay? Is it

1:16:32

okay? If I cause you like this earth

1:16:34

or whatever, you know it's less now than

1:16:36

it used to be. But are we really

1:16:38

value that? Really? Do. What?

1:16:41

Do you like about. Kissing. And

1:16:43

kissing Max. I. Just

1:16:46

like kissing is so intimate. I love

1:16:48

making out. Mighty. Of being

1:16:50

in high school he now in your sexual

1:16:52

form of years. Plus it's just so fun

1:16:54

and playful and. Know.

1:16:57

Two people kiss the same

1:16:59

way. Tournament right? For. Whatever

1:17:01

reason or something that I really

1:17:03

love is when I'm fucking a

1:17:05

woman missionary and I just heard

1:17:07

at the same time. A

1:17:09

combined readily giving them but castle to have

1:17:11

like a fluent in ah. Ok

1:17:14

with your. Fucking missionary and

1:17:16

kissing the knack for you to be

1:17:19

enlightened. A certain sink for that elbow

1:17:21

like how yak. Kind. I usually

1:17:23

I put my hands behind the woman's neck

1:17:25

and kind of holes are secure like that

1:17:27

Sam and then I sort of have to

1:17:30

kind of lay honor. I. Gotta learn these positions

1:17:32

that I just and strap on for the first time

1:17:34

and I got a good job but I'm like now

1:17:36

I'll learn all the penis. Position in our

1:17:38

success at again Regardless, and intuit

1:17:40

Vegas for you're close enough to

1:17:43

bambee like. Yeah plus her

1:17:45

ear is right there and I can

1:17:47

mr whatever dirty sit on once you

1:17:50

have a sexy with breath or that

1:17:52

different. Sex. And masters, yeah, I

1:17:54

like doing this. I just like words.

1:17:57

you know I love. Any

1:17:59

kind of exclamation the anyone has like

1:18:01

while they're getting softer while they're fucking

1:18:03

someone else, it's I'll I like words.

1:18:05

I like dirty talk a lot. It's

1:18:07

all very sexy. Or

1:18:10

mean. What? About

1:18:12

but see like are for ship the

1:18:14

we heard about licking earlier I do

1:18:16

like also other things awful. Yeah.

1:18:19

For sure. Normally a really

1:18:21

common form of foreplay for.

1:18:24

My. Wife and I. And. She knows

1:18:26

it's like when we say like a you in

1:18:28

fact. In. A Will. You. Know

1:18:30

freshen up or whatever and then all go

1:18:32

into the bedroom and and she'll be in

1:18:35

the position with on all fours just with

1:18:37

her ass is high in the air. She

1:18:39

can because she knows that's what I like.

1:18:41

He announced in my formative years and I

1:18:43

searched the depths of my brain to try

1:18:45

to figure this out to be. I was

1:18:48

so into boobs in high school or snow

1:18:50

days I love I love boot. Still a

1:18:52

how can you mean all of boobs They

1:18:54

I notice a woman's ass first. These.

1:18:56

Days for what whatever reason like I'm

1:18:58

most attracted to to that part of

1:19:00

the body so as to do is

1:19:02

add a has to do with the

1:19:04

jiggle other when you spank it has

1:19:07

to do with how smooth it is

1:19:09

and kissing him and his sister. The

1:19:11

part of the woman's body the turns

1:19:13

me on it just says I mean

1:19:15

there are lots of hearts of the

1:19:17

body that. That.

1:19:19

One is is probably the greatest

1:19:21

in certain situations where we've had

1:19:23

like a threesome male, female female.

1:19:26

Or. In a couple swap situation.

1:19:29

When. I really like to do is I like to.

1:19:31

Get. The two women together and and

1:19:33

get their asses together. Me and the

1:19:35

other guy will massage and worship kind

1:19:37

of below the same time as I

1:19:40

hear him say patty cake I want

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to do pataky com line them up

1:19:44

and of doing things that yeah allah

1:19:46

bless you know what I saw my

1:19:48

bucket list or sat on hold for

1:19:50

with you to patently killer know? how

1:19:52

can. I would,

1:19:54

I think. That be very I mean obviously have to

1:19:57

have the right playful. People rape or like

1:19:59

a drum. I would also been a

1:20:01

say like ooh maybe and through player should start

1:20:03

checking out the boy but to because there's some

1:20:05

good ones and boyne love to criticize their buttonwood

1:20:08

through smoldered. This or that or god forbid they

1:20:10

have. But also be like nobody. I I hear a

1:20:12

lot of you always criticize their on bus and it's

1:20:14

garbage because I look at a my with it. but.

1:20:18

That's good advice to of stuff surrogate

1:20:21

advice. I mean jesus. You just never

1:20:23

know what's gonna over of you. Sound,

1:20:25

You sound highly arousal. You sound like

1:20:27

someone I would definitely wanna invite to

1:20:29

a sex party heading for me. It's

1:20:31

about creating environments of respectful yes, right,

1:20:33

you know. And I personally am finding

1:20:35

that I'm specifically turned off. In

1:20:37

some states where it's like. If

1:20:39

someone's really picky about something like whatever, we'll

1:20:41

have our preferences but it about how he

1:20:43

gets. Waste right? So I'm like I wanna have

1:20:45

a yes people at my or sex parties. And

1:20:48

I love that you had an afternoon delight play

1:20:50

party. I think that's like hearing your three or

1:20:52

four am story them like know I'll never. Get

1:20:54

a hearing. You talk about afternoons and a

1:20:56

good looking people. Do it. I'm data collecting.

1:20:58

It's. One of

1:21:00

our play partners affectionately calls.

1:21:03

Cause. It of brunson much more needs

1:21:05

another job is a brunch. Noon.

1:21:08

On a Saturday, a nice boozy Bruins

1:21:10

talk get shot at and a lotta.

1:21:12

And. Then you know we we go to

1:21:14

a hotel or our place in their

1:21:16

place or whatever and I have a

1:21:18

little play party. He can play for

1:21:20

three or four hours. Yeah, and then

1:21:23

you know it's it's like, okay, we

1:21:25

need to go our separate ways and

1:21:27

kind of have a reconnection time with

1:21:29

our people. It's still like six Pm

1:21:31

when that happened, so there's all kinds

1:21:33

of kinds of Imsa to reconnect and

1:21:35

reclaim and all that. So I love

1:21:37

the energy of afternoon sex and in

1:21:39

prison to i'm so much horny or

1:21:41

in the late morning or afternoon. As well

1:21:43

like I can rally but like also don't.

1:21:45

Put. A full dinner and me and long one

1:21:47

have a really intense smash and riot like some

1:21:50

like coma. I mean I want to have a

1:21:52

full dinner but cannot be. Snacks

1:21:54

afterward The no Consistent Yeah,

1:21:56

yeah, definitely okay other any

1:21:58

other like. Favorite

1:22:01

that we have to know about

1:22:03

Max. I enjoy when people

1:22:05

watch me com. O

1:22:08

including. On camera or in real life

1:22:10

mostly are all of it. In

1:22:12

relies. On camera

1:22:14

I would say. That I'm that

1:22:17

person at the party that is definitely going

1:22:19

to announce when they're about to come to

1:22:21

everybody. And. The reason is

1:22:23

because I I want to know when everyone

1:22:25

can meet. You know I love know everyone.

1:22:28

I've actually started inviting partners to tell me

1:22:30

because it turns. Me on so much and if

1:22:32

I'm clever and knowing they're coming will get. Me

1:22:34

over the edge sometimes as what has been discovering.

1:22:36

So that's my linger. Met at hot Sweet how

1:22:38

you say? In a partner yet everyone

1:22:40

I'm about to phone when I would.

1:22:43

You do admit that I think the

1:22:45

i'm inspired by the moment usually. but

1:22:47

yeah usually I just say it a

1:22:49

very straightforward. I'm. About to com. Mother.

1:22:52

Have you ever ruined your own orgasm by

1:22:54

announcing it by house? But have you like

1:22:56

to ask? This question. I don't think

1:22:59

I've ruined my own orgasm to and that. There's

1:23:01

been a few times where. I

1:23:04

think the pressure of the situation gets

1:23:07

me a little bit like there's one

1:23:09

time I'm thinking of in particular were.

1:23:12

You. Know i i want to com and we're

1:23:14

in a couple slots situation and i ask hey

1:23:16

can i come in both your mouse at the

1:23:19

same time. I was used to be a

1:23:21

my bucket list but I've I've done a lot now

1:23:23

it's it's super fucking. Less can have repeats especially

1:23:25

when you like percent. Yeah,

1:23:27

yeah, kinda different every time

1:23:29

it is. Yeah. They.

1:23:32

Did. This one time I'm thinking of in

1:23:34

particular. For. Whatever reason with them

1:23:36

lined up and the guy watching me

1:23:38

like in anticipation for so I just

1:23:40

got a little shy for whatever reason

1:23:43

ah think that happens at I totally

1:23:45

I couldn't go. For

1:23:47

that happens occasionally but I never say is

1:23:49

I'm going to com and than that ruins

1:23:51

my own orgasm as a com. Oh

1:23:54

yeah, I'll celebrate that since I

1:23:56

just said yes to a few

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ads from Blue Chew. A.

1:24:02

Penis. Helper. Over the

1:24:04

counter situation, I like to off of

1:24:06

balance that out by talking about penises. An

1:24:08

anxiety. Is it something you've ever experienced when

1:24:11

you're stressed? Can you hit hard when your

1:24:13

needs are not met? Can you get hard?

1:24:15

Like have you ever noticed any connection between

1:24:17

your emotions, anxiety, your physical body needs, Your.

1:24:20

Connection that maybe aren't connected to your

1:24:22

penis. Just. As a way to sort

1:24:24

of like normalize what penises do. Yeah,

1:24:27

sometimes I can get over

1:24:29

stimulated and been it's tough

1:24:32

for me to get hard.

1:24:34

We've experimented with like ecstasy

1:24:36

before with other couples and.

1:24:39

When. I. I've done that drive a lot but the

1:24:41

few times that I have done it with it's always

1:24:43

been like. Sexy. Situations where

1:24:45

voices hanging out naked basically and I

1:24:47

love it and I feel super sexy,

1:24:50

but for whatever reason, I

1:24:52

kinda hard. You know when I'm on

1:24:54

that drugs I think I'm just you

1:24:56

over stimulated or. When. We first

1:24:59

went to the Sex Club. When.

1:25:01

We first went downstairs and. Just

1:25:04

saw Everything. I mean, you

1:25:06

know, hundreds of people literally

1:25:08

having sex and and being

1:25:10

sexy and walking around naked

1:25:12

and everything. The. First time

1:25:15

I saw that it was like too

1:25:17

much for me. I was like follow

1:25:19

one of a lot because I love

1:25:21

watching people as sex so it's almost

1:25:23

like steam be there's and devices to

1:25:25

look. Yeah certainly get it. Sometimes their

1:25:27

are like that. where are I see

1:25:29

to step back and take a minute.

1:25:31

The for me personally whenever I have

1:25:33

trouble getting hard and situation. The.

1:25:36

Worst thing you can do is like freak

1:25:38

out and physically try to teach yourself hard

1:25:40

to. Best thing you can do. Is.

1:25:43

She says lay back You know, just

1:25:45

relax just a sec. It takes some

1:25:47

time breathe watch the other. Beautiful.

1:25:49

Naked people in the room for.

1:25:52

You know, going on the other direction and

1:25:54

use your mouth and somebody are you now

1:25:57

and then if you just get back into

1:25:59

it. Normally it'll come. From.

1:26:01

Normally the original com. If. The person

1:26:03

can let go of the sea or I definitely have been with

1:26:06

partners you're not or to go. Down the spiral of

1:26:08

that's. All. They so can I like

1:26:10

my nipples are right here though. my mouth

1:26:12

is all over us. You can like okay

1:26:14

you know once once of losses. Last. Okay

1:26:16

to. Max I would love your

1:26:19

wisdom, your personal with them. What do

1:26:21

you think? we need to make the

1:26:23

world a more loving connected place. Openness,

1:26:27

To think we need to be more open with each other?

1:26:30

I mean, I have the. Great

1:26:32

fantasy and and I'm sure it's offensive

1:26:34

yours to to just live in more

1:26:36

averse, sexually open. World as

1:26:39

sexually open society where we can

1:26:41

talk about it more and I

1:26:43

think that we would all learn

1:26:45

collectively that. It is not black

1:26:47

and white. It's not this or this. Is.

1:26:50

A very beautiful. Rainbow.

1:26:52

Colors everywhere of everything

1:26:54

that's possible in all

1:26:56

the different kinds. Of

1:26:59

ways that people approach their

1:27:01

sexuality and people kings and

1:27:03

people's fantasies and desires and

1:27:05

everything if we could all.

1:27:08

Just talk about that more openly

1:27:10

with each other. That. That's that's

1:27:12

a big fantasy that I ask. You know,

1:27:15

If there weren't. So. Much sub be

1:27:17

no censorship I guess you know,

1:27:19

media and other places? I mean

1:27:21

it's There's so much shame around

1:27:23

it. Still around sex still After

1:27:25

all these years and and maybe

1:27:27

we have made some strides. but.

1:27:30

Their stuff that can be done that get

1:27:32

us closer to that's and your podcast while

1:27:34

is one of those things by the way

1:27:36

Thank you for thing that. I

1:27:38

mean all her as you saying that I'm

1:27:40

like cringing because I'm a half need to

1:27:42

be the change we want to see. And

1:27:44

also after five years it's really clear that

1:27:46

censorship is actually a setting that work And

1:27:49

for this is my first official recording as.

1:27:51

Quote. Unquote stories and set of sex toys. Obviously

1:27:53

it's always sad story that the heart of

1:27:55

it. And but I am branching out in also

1:27:57

wanting to bring people who many won't talk about sex. The

1:28:00

conversation if they are willing to talk about

1:28:02

their other relational things. But I. I

1:28:04

am so with you and I'm like will

1:28:06

everyone. Wants. To have some

1:28:08

sort of positive relationship with sex? I'm not yet

1:28:10

met a single person. Side note: Don't need

1:28:13

six in my life like we all

1:28:15

got here. You know what makes you

1:28:17

know? So regardless, Of the relationship. even if they're

1:28:19

like oh no, I'm not participating or like this is

1:28:21

my relationships are. It's like I just want us to

1:28:23

have that used to feel good about those choices and

1:28:26

I. I mean other girl

1:28:28

who spent her whole weekend like

1:28:30

in the computer renaming? Most of

1:28:32

the titles to be safer for work,

1:28:34

so maybe we can get monetized or

1:28:36

at least not. Censored. On

1:28:38

Spotify. Kind of weird if ya the whole it's

1:28:40

a whole thing So I'm really glad to have

1:28:42

you here during the i'm really inspired by your

1:28:45

story. And I'm trying to

1:28:47

do my personal crack the code.

1:28:50

In terms of figuring out how to have more. Delicious.

1:28:52

Juicy connection the my own life. so.

1:28:55

I'd like to get your fantasy brainstorms. If

1:28:58

you had to be. A sex worker for

1:29:00

two years. How. Would

1:29:02

you serve? This. Is in a world

1:29:04

where everyone must serve me no two years this

1:29:06

has or or civic duty. I

1:29:09

have an idea my head right now. And. It's

1:29:11

something that. My. Wife rock rock scene

1:29:13

and I have discussed. It.

1:29:15

It's honestly something that maybe doesn't

1:29:18

exist. for least not the with

1:29:20

were thinking about it we would

1:29:22

really love me in her together

1:29:24

would really love to be. Like

1:29:27

the couple that other couples go

1:29:30

to when they want to learn

1:29:32

about the possibilities of the lifestyle

1:29:34

polyamory, swinging, whatever kind of label

1:29:37

that you want to check. Because

1:29:39

we have realized that we really

1:29:42

enjoy that when we have experiences

1:29:44

with. People. That are

1:29:46

having like a first type

1:29:48

of experience. I like that

1:29:50

your trainers yeah we have

1:29:52

been other couples first swap

1:29:54

more than once Like that

1:29:56

have happened several times and

1:29:59

it is. Gone very very well

1:30:01

pretty much every time for both parties.

1:30:03

So. We really enjoyed that. like if there

1:30:06

is, and we do think there's a lack

1:30:08

of education out there to about. The

1:30:10

kinds of ways that you can explore

1:30:13

with your partner if you're interested in

1:30:15

doing that's still very taboo. really. I

1:30:17

mean the whole ideas of group sex

1:30:19

and polyamory. It's getting closer to being

1:30:21

more accepted, but it's It's pretty taboo.

1:30:24

I think. so. In a world where

1:30:26

are all that stuff was a little

1:30:28

more open, we would like to be.

1:30:31

That. Couple that. Kind of

1:30:33

coaches other couples if you will. Love

1:30:36

allow. Yeah. Does that count? It's

1:30:39

like six or seven. Only time will tell me

1:30:41

as long as you're fucking. Now my thing coming

1:30:43

and there you know they can a someone could

1:30:45

come hire you to like train them in that

1:30:47

way like totally I'm here for that. Admire my

1:30:49

big vision that earning that the status like I

1:30:52

want to make a T amp a sex keep

1:30:54

an educational second or so and try the things

1:30:56

and then you know how. Tall wisdom

1:30:58

Come to an animal. Her animal. The answer

1:31:00

to an athletic vision. And on that know.

1:31:03

You. Now have an on a limited

1:31:06

budget to build your perfect play

1:31:08

rooms. Last Dungeon Castle. whatever. Structure

1:31:10

you prefer. What? Is it like

1:31:12

what are the elements that must be included?

1:31:14

In Max's play Pacifist whenever it

1:31:16

as well be. We definitely wanted

1:31:18

to be a big in a

1:31:20

ferry get where we can have

1:31:22

parties. Not like huge two hundred

1:31:24

three hundred people parties, but. You.

1:31:27

Know like forty people, maybe fifty people.

1:31:29

We want to be an area that

1:31:31

you know we can get together people

1:31:33

from our our circle and as introduce

1:31:35

them into space and all that out.

1:31:37

it's gotta be a group shower. I'm

1:31:40

eating envisioning like our a lighting scheme

1:31:42

in the shower to you know it's

1:31:44

always fun like different lights and there's

1:31:46

like patterns and it's very very sexy.

1:31:48

Maybe with the an observation window in

1:31:50

the shower you know so people that

1:31:52

are not in the shower can it

1:31:54

can watch and see what's going on.

1:31:57

We. Really enjoy.

1:32:00

Making videos as I said

1:32:02

and we fantasize sometimes about

1:32:04

like having almost a movie

1:32:06

night. And. Then we can off

1:32:09

the hook up all have a play

1:32:11

party but we can watch our sex

1:32:13

videos, other couples that there there with

1:32:15

and what's their sex videos like one

1:32:17

like got the a scream you know

1:32:19

and and we could just basically watch

1:32:22

all kinds of different things to spark

1:32:24

ideas. If someone wants to show off

1:32:26

what they made recently can be like

1:32:28

a show and tell type thing that

1:32:30

would be super super fun. I.

1:32:34

Love the idea of. Having.

1:32:36

A space. Where.

1:32:38

There's lots of different kinds

1:32:40

of surfaces. That you

1:32:42

can fuck on you know, like all kinds

1:32:44

of different stuff. cool couches that can fit,

1:32:47

you know, twenty people, and sex chairs. That's

1:32:49

on my bucket list. By the way, I've

1:32:51

not done the sex share. I want to

1:32:53

try that since I ah you. Mean like a

1:32:55

taunt a chair. Yeah. Never done for.

1:32:58

For you know a hassle and I found it

1:33:00

on the streets. but I but a claim

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that the faith. Tradition. But

1:33:05

I was driving along with my friend and she was like

1:33:07

stop the car Now you need that's another. Class And

1:33:09

actually I must not have to get us

1:33:12

there. And I got it. it'll be two

1:33:14

years ago. This week on Thursday off had

1:33:16

a for two years. And I've only

1:33:18

used for photo shoot and hang out with my

1:33:20

girlfriend. Family can affect the way. So. That

1:33:23

one may be sued explored on

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the anniversary it on my back

1:33:27

inside who I mean affirmative in

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measure a penis day according to

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one condom. So am. I supposed

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to be like this. We have been on my

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hunter Teresa. The thought of as soon as. A

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citizen gonna be that sound system in

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their forget have cool music you know?

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