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Building and Leather Worship. A tattoo

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artist originally from South Florida and

1:04

New York City who currently lives

1:06

in Los Angeles. Welcome Katie Diamond.

1:09

Higher. I

1:11

am so excited to have you your can

1:13

you please start off by a rating yourself

1:16

on a sexual shame? A meter if ten

1:18

has the highest and one or zero is

1:20

like no way. where do you fall today?

1:22

Shame a meter Wife and why. I.

1:24

Mean I think it may change depending on

1:27

us and Mayor Rio but I get squeeze

1:29

your newly. Yeah. I can get

1:31

squiggly vote. For the most part, I

1:33

think I kind of operate on my

1:35

good two or three like I don't

1:38

I'm not really concerned about what other

1:40

people think. I feel. That's where shame

1:42

trying to comes from. His are concerned

1:44

about people's perception about us. I had

1:46

to let that go forever. Ago. I can't

1:48

hear about that. It it's too. Much the checks

1:50

are too much space in my mind so. I

1:53

feel that when do you notice it squiggle

1:55

up or down as much as we don't

1:57

want it to your mind still get squiggly

1:59

sometime. But what about you? know?

2:03

You. Know, I think that's.

2:06

It feels related to.

2:08

How connected I feel So the people in

2:10

the room. In. A shocking turn

2:13

of events. I feel like a more vulnerable

2:15

I feel the more of a chance of

2:17

feeling shame or embarrassment might. Occur.

2:20

In. A scene at a sex party someplace

2:22

or may be. On the bus cod

2:24

me and like of and surrounded by people that

2:26

I really care about than a obviously they're. They're.

2:29

Concept of me is more important than

2:31

like a stranger by encounter. You.

2:33

Know. Well. Lemmings. a lot of sense

2:35

and the i don't. Know I'm going to have the

2:37

noodle if I'm the same I. I mean I've

2:39

been asking the question for years or so, but

2:41

I am rediscovering myself every day. When.

2:44

You say the least. Shame. Honestly,

2:46

When I'm surrounded by a bunch of like

2:48

very horny homosexuals who are all like on

2:50

the same page and media runs like a

2:53

little little naked, little little dirty little funny

2:55

little girls totally bigger when we all have

2:57

the same like i like caught like threshold

2:59

syndrome when we've all like entered the room

3:02

knowing what we're engaging in like that's a

3:04

totally different. Situation. The same.

3:06

Can. Go out the window. Absolutely nothing like

3:09

immediately bring it here within like the

3:11

first few minutes. but like have you

3:13

read burn a Brown might have you

3:15

read dairy greatly. Yeah, player tyranny and

3:17

like the connection of like vulnerability and

3:19

shame and courage like they're all like

3:22

one big like mushy loop so heartily

3:24

totally. Someone recently told me that I

3:26

was. Renee. Brown mixed

3:28

with Esther Perel and a-of Nina

3:30

Hartley. An authentic. Say.

3:33

Okay, okay, I really have the

3:35

degree of a compliment. I know

3:37

I'm hoping when a man also me hamish

3:39

because that issue I guess I am I

3:41

totally really and also and like when I

3:44

get to the naked parts. With. Whoever

3:46

I'm doing naked things when been, whether

3:48

it's. Erotic Photo and Video i'm

3:50

just a photographer or whether we're playing together, I

3:52

feel like that's when I'm at i'm Here Nothing

3:54

didn't. Bother. Mean how you know it's usually close. As

3:56

nice as that are, there's a sense of permission. And

3:59

it's in the. Unknown moments are the sort of

4:01

like oh shit that I do something wrong to

4:03

like bother someone. I care about. Is. Kind

4:05

of when it comes up for me or. Yeah,

4:08

lately it's been like Sears stuff

4:10

to. So tell us, How did

4:12

you learn about sex, connection, and

4:14

pleasure? What was your personal path

4:16

to? Being delivered. Take that you are.

4:18

You're. Going to get weird. Are you ready to get weird?

4:21

So radical? Yes. So. When.

4:23

I was a use you know I'm I'm

4:25

an artist. Seven it been drawing forever. I

4:27

became obsessed with trying to member jabbed.

4:30

Head from the Archie Comics

4:32

Yes, I became. Obsessed.

4:34

with drawing him eating a lot

4:36

of burgers and his belly getting

4:38

really bag and i now know

4:40

in retrospect that like there was

4:42

some hard to me that like

4:44

with prefer his big bellies and

4:46

then the next phase and i've

4:48

heard other people have had like

4:50

sexual experiences like revelations from this

4:53

but there's also the animated some

4:55

he be whites charlotte's web. Oh.

4:57

Yes, I watched and Templeton ah at yeah

4:59

that I tried to tell someone about that

5:01

saw recently the Templeton surfing in yeah is

5:03

barely gets really. it's really big inserts to

5:06

like some way around and be so soft

5:08

and gooey. And as a child I would

5:10

rewind and watch that scene over and over

5:12

and over again because something about it With

5:14

it. it was something. it was hitting a

5:16

nerve. It was hitting a Nerf that I

5:18

now understand it's connected to some. sort of

5:21

like I could probably talk about it in

5:23

therapy forever. Like the only mean like there's

5:25

something about the like squishy gooey to achieve.

5:27

Like you know, like it's not about

5:29

the food, necessarily the not the concept

5:31

of like something that's like swollen and

5:33

my king board security mean. But as

5:36

a time I was like wow. Templeton

5:38

Rewind. Wilds habitat rewind the journey Me

5:40

and and cells I would argue. That.

5:43

That might be. The

5:45

early As: like most in a like

5:47

before, I undersold going on. I knew.

5:50

That. Drawing pictures and watching Temple Ten

5:52

subway about with the belly like a

5:54

was horny. I was. I was maybe

5:57

like seven, eight nine but like it

5:59

was horny. Humming about it, Now.

6:03

I know and with

6:05

and. I've. Heard other people

6:07

talk about it. scientists moment where I'm like we should

6:09

start like a. Like a sub reddit or

6:11

something about people who discovered as a child

6:13

that they were more knee not for Templeton.

6:15

but the concept of the not yeah, it's

6:18

like an abstraction to you know to me

6:20

and that which. You. Know eventually it.

6:23

Became more than that journey me and but

6:25

the very first. First First. I think

6:27

really is. Related. To the

6:29

things which also. I. Boys and somebody

6:32

who's much more turned on by like Illustrated

6:34

porn than anything else. Do you mean like

6:36

I much prefer. Like comic books and really

6:38

fucked the images that people drew. Yeah, Oh

6:41

that's so interesting. I mean that was always

6:43

my favorite scene and song and or something

6:45

about like the sneaking into the fair, the

6:48

having whatever you want, and the just like

6:50

being so happy. and yeah, I think the

6:52

cartoonists have. shown. Be emphasis of

6:54

whatever whatever perth we want to. Do

6:57

anything in Khartoum and it's pretty fun about a we could.

7:00

How did that at envelop? And like,

7:02

When did you realize. What

7:04

horning as was. Well. You

7:06

know to get like explicit about it I forget

7:08

what age it was but like I would stuff

7:10

my shirt with pillows as a child after that

7:12

and was like oh yeah this is like so

7:15

hot I didn't realize they would say you know

7:17

with like one of the things I was like

7:19

yeah like something about this is making me feel

7:21

like all tingly. In my body the only be

7:23

and like stuff like that censored eventually that turned

7:25

into like you know, grinding on the pillow see

7:27

know like there was a transitional moment where I

7:29

was like but what if I actually. Like

7:32

instead. rubbed myself

7:34

up against less. Like something connected and

7:36

I. I don't remember like when or

7:39

how, but like something connected where I

7:41

was like wait a second. systems. Some

7:43

like for Ties or whatever it became

7:45

played a part of it which turned

7:47

into that eventually like apps and Mastering

7:49

and by like the transitions. Realizing

7:52

that like in gorged things were

7:54

exciting, like looking a little and

7:56

gorged are like you know big

7:58

myself and then. Going up

8:00

against her things and then being like but ways

8:02

I can I can might rub myself. Yeah,

8:04

that is a possibility. Did

8:06

you ever get any like and guidance

8:09

about sex or pleasure? From adults you

8:11

trusted like weather with school his hands or other

8:13

people. You know, I grew

8:15

up in South Florida and it's always been a

8:17

bit of a trash fire, but I happened to

8:19

be just old enough. That

8:22

they did have. Sex Education

8:24

and My Elementary School. I. Remember

8:26

very vividly and third grade they

8:28

separated the boys and girls. And.

8:31

They like that. Brought the boys all into

8:33

one room and. All the girls into another room

8:35

and they actually like turn the lights off him in

8:37

fact that on the floor that future sat on the

8:39

floor with us. So with i kind of the ferry

8:41

like and summit like they they they removed the concept

8:43

of it being like classroom and said we're like a

8:46

we're going to sit in the circle seat a bag

8:48

of light objects that were mostly about menstruation but she

8:50

did have some like little diagrams. And.

8:52

You know it's third grade. The were all like

8:54

a know. Some of us from what

8:57

we're about to get our period, so that

8:59

made sense. But I remember Miss Barnett saddam

9:01

the Florida in the in the Dark classroom

9:03

and she said. We're. Going to

9:05

talk about a lot of things and the be. No it all of

9:07

socks you about before. But. I'm going to

9:09

get something out of the ways to you all. I can

9:12

really focus. And she looked at this

9:14

crew of eight year old girls and she

9:16

said. Penis.

9:19

And. I. Need you to no

9:21

such as adults. Looking. As in

9:23

the eye and saying the word penis we

9:25

lost her shit. We were like. Ah,

9:28

but as to get some credit, it's really like set

9:30

the tone that she was like okay we got that

9:33

out of our system. Now we're going to talk about

9:35

like. You know how your body of work

9:37

a little bit and I think about. Other regularly

9:39

because she really is. It's a solid

9:41

Iranian. Ya. The tone of

9:43

those beautiful. Another foreigner the I

9:46

know public school public schools. And

9:48

Florida before everything got completely off.

9:50

all yeah. wow. okay. Did

9:53

you like. Talk. About sex with her

9:55

friends with the behind like in your household. Also

9:57

like when did you become aware of your queerness?

9:59

Whatever. Whatever heals most salient. Yeah.

10:02

So. My. Mom has never

10:04

been good talking about anything. She handed me

10:07

a book about puberty. Gosh, what's the name

10:09

of it. Something. Something ominous from

10:11

the seventies journey mean like one of the

10:13

thing for it's like one of those illustrated

10:15

bucks. It's like it's happens to everybody. Is

10:17

your name is have been wild like Starbucks? what

10:19

kind of the mack see like kind of flip

10:21

through with me at one point but for the

10:23

most part she was like you seem to have

10:25

things question here. Take this book. I Little sisters

10:27

about seven years under the me and my mom

10:29

as a single mom for a lot of my

10:31

time growing up. And so I

10:34

was often the person that was in like the

10:36

kid that was sense after school program in or

10:38

did all of the after school events or. And.

10:40

Then also during the summers I was

10:42

sent to a summer camp in Massachusetts

10:45

for many years which I like. I

10:47

tell all of my friends like. Asterisks

10:49

to the story. If. You can

10:51

afford to send her to the sleep way

10:53

camp because it made me so independent and

10:55

it gave me such like a sense of

10:57

myself that you can't really got when you're.

10:59

In the context of your family. And.

11:03

They had a lot of really cool success. That

11:05

was the first time I was like twelve when

11:07

one of the counselors use the word pan sexual

11:09

in front of me and I went what is

11:12

that and she sat down and she was like

11:14

let me explain it and like. There. Was

11:16

a sex education course like one of the

11:18

weekends were like one of the counselors like

11:20

had like diagrams and then with them basically

11:22

were like there's no. Suter questions and would pass

11:24

around a happy to buy popcorn and a bunch. Of

11:27

South And so I think that. In

11:29

retrospect, my mom was like. I

11:31

don't have the capacity to care for three

11:33

children. I will send the eldest a way

11:35

of this will be good for her and

11:37

I don't think she realized that it meant

11:39

that I like understood like sexuality, queerness, radical

11:42

politics like these like it was that she

11:44

some is like a happy camper Massachusetts and

11:46

see did not. Know. What

11:50

she was getting: Spouse: I think. I

11:52

think that I went there for seven

11:54

years. like know when I'm a member

11:56

like I was them, I was indoctrinated.

11:58

So you know. Yeah,

12:00

so cool. Is that awful place

12:03

where like. Explorations happen.

12:06

It would literally called exploration. Oh

12:08

really? result? Exploit it was literally called

12:10

Exploration Summer Program or Expo and

12:12

it went Junior Intermediate, Senior a

12:14

kind. In the senior program we

12:16

are called it's Expo. Yeah,

12:19

yeah yeah okay so did you do. You're

12:21

exploring their like what were your kind of

12:24

like formative important experiences. With. Her

12:26

know see here shame like. I

12:28

knew from a young age

12:30

that I. Was

12:33

queer but it wasn't necessarily and

12:35

the most active like with more

12:37

of like a reactive then i

12:39

like proactive. And was more of

12:41

me witnessing and everybody was starting to

12:44

hit puberty like so so. When

12:46

I was like. Into

12:48

was six greater. Seventh grade is

12:50

when Titanic came out for me

12:52

and everybody was such an obsessed

12:54

with baby Leonardo Dicaprio. And

12:57

I would like. This that

12:59

isn't doing for me and I don't understand why. Are

13:02

you talking about him? It's very confusing

13:04

and so. It was a lot

13:06

of me being like well i just think I

13:08

liked do you mean like I just don't think

13:10

I like that and I settled for a long

13:12

time vocalizing and and verbalizing it even though I

13:15

once you are really for of the summer camp

13:17

even though all of my friends like. Back

13:19

home and Florida were incredibly supportive and

13:21

I knew. I knew a lot of. Queer

13:24

people are like sort of baby. Queer people were

13:26

maybe didn't. Fully. Know what they were

13:29

journey mean but he only. Took me a long

13:31

time. I actually did not. Do anything

13:33

sexually until I was out of the house,

13:35

when I think it was entirely like fear

13:37

of. Like. How like honestly homophobic

13:40

my family as do me and like

13:42

they've done a lot of work but

13:44

I just knew was gonna be like

13:46

a major issue. So did you

13:49

do? I mean

13:51

I went to college and I finally like started.

13:53

Like going to parties and like making out with

13:55

girls. Can only

13:57

out okay. Worked. The games with.

14:00

Don't want to parse here in same. As.

14:02

A slutty human. What health and safety

14:04

practices do you require to feel safe

14:06

with a lover? Whether it's someone that

14:09

you are familiar with or new people.

14:11

Or do yet? Toscana the texture

14:13

of your like adults let life.

14:15

Yeah yeah yeah I. Bow

14:17

to the point of like the

14:19

leather stuff like I have being

14:21

just like a leather jacket like

14:23

veto kinky human. Lamy Lot of

14:25

my practices aren't about necessarily like being penetrated,

14:27

Her being such that way, like it's all

14:30

about like play. And so

14:32

it's all about like getting close

14:34

to the edge of something or

14:36

there being some sort of of

14:38

layer, either Protocol or Blue, Clinton

14:40

or Mccain or something. and then

14:42

I wanna suck. It gets everyone

14:44

like very horny but like I

14:46

sounds that. Something. That's

14:48

going on. For. Me right now. It's

14:50

just that, like my sinuses about. That like

14:52

I want to crawl over you make our but

14:54

I definitely like want us to like fixate on

14:57

like. What mothers are you wearing like

14:59

oh my god, look at a good step all

15:01

over me please and stress the only me and

15:03

my mom but in general like. Everyone

15:06

should have club in my opinion is for called the

15:08

time cause you never know what's gonna happen. Like

15:11

to screen and I think that

15:13

honestly the most equipped. Everyone.

15:16

Should be And this goes for anything. It's that

15:18

like I like to do. When I'm also

15:20

like been a grand maestro of like you know, sort

15:22

of like being like the person in the room. It's

15:24

like taking their barbie dolls and being like kids but

15:26

with real people. Communications like

15:28

I think my numero uno. That.

15:31

Means that everyone can be on the same things so

15:33

we can all have a lab or conversations about like

15:35

what do you as you, what you want and then

15:37

the safety comes from. Where. You have in

15:39

your tool belt. In terms of your ability to say.

15:42

What is or isn't working for you in

15:44

those moments? Is it something you

15:46

prefer to do like ahead of time crossing the

15:48

connection Or do you like show up at a

15:50

place basic Can you give us a sense of

15:52

the texture and the level of conversation also doesn't

15:54

reflect it sounds like you're cool with like. Make

15:57

out fluid exchange. Do they do? Do.

16:00

The thing about like a d have a cold. Get

16:02

you a covert birth? You know, like what? Cause

16:04

for know now become I get sick so easily so

16:06

unlike then. maybe we can suck but not get. A

16:09

soda of you know when I first started really

16:11

like leaning into the level of sort of. Like

16:13

make out like you know, party flood?

16:15

Hey this is this is Not science.

16:18

That's why I like for our the listeners

16:20

out there I will always have with the

16:22

and be it's and be like is antiseptic

16:24

like that's not that's not a fan and

16:26

he everyone's know that it's absolutely not another

16:28

thing. however I did not actually get very

16:30

sick when I was like when I was

16:32

really. Like free covert like really to seeing like

16:34

hella of of only money like I don't Others again

16:36

there's no science. Do it. in my twenties with a

16:38

lot of saying up very very very late. And.

16:40

Not getting wasted but always having that little like making out with

16:43

someone of the being like oh yes. That's

16:46

not good. you know, to

16:48

the point of threshold syndrome.

16:51

As. I liked call it. A lot

16:53

of the time I'm not necessarily

16:56

playing with somebody who is like

16:58

a complete and utter stranger occur

17:00

because I will say that is.

17:03

The. Throw of having like

17:05

the Venn diagram of like. Clear.

17:08

Leather spaces where there's a lot

17:10

of like industry folks and sex

17:12

workers like. I. Lately when I go

17:15

to a party, I know a lot of the

17:17

people there. And we've probably

17:19

like. Had flirty conversations and

17:21

so there's already been a priming of the

17:23

pump as you well that by the time

17:25

we get to the party, I

17:28

can turn to someone, I can turn to

17:30

my like friends number one and be like

17:32

hey, we've been using each other. About

17:35

how you want X y z. Likes.

17:37

The what are we going to do tonight? uni? mean

17:39

like we kind of already. Gone. Past

17:41

that occur and to the point of whom

17:44

you're talking about this very top when it

17:46

comes to vulnerability, I'm aware that that makes

17:48

me feel a lot safer to uni. Me

17:50

and like some people have friends that they

17:52

go bowling with you know any mean and

17:54

like I have friends that I watched them

17:56

this their partner. So

18:01

are you I'm going to since the your puppy

18:03

yes I'm a I'm a sweat spoke Jeff Flake.

18:06

Yeah, we. Just tillis uplink some your

18:08

favorite things and may be keeping in mind that

18:10

not necessarily all the audience knows about the leather

18:12

community like I would just love to hear and

18:15

of your. Favorite. Things to do

18:17

with your. Not bowling's letty friends.

18:21

I love punching people. It's called impacts

18:24

Play any anything that will let me

18:26

either use my hands are unemployment is

18:28

really exciting to me. I sort of

18:30

joke that I am a back alley

18:32

queer in a sense that I wanna

18:34

be able to use everything. That on

18:36

my body. So. Like my boots.

18:39

My. Belts my leather gloves and then we're

18:41

going to go from their journey. Me and

18:43

I am not a big like. Carry a

18:45

toy bad with all the fancy. think the phonetic

18:48

like. I really appreciate people who are like that

18:50

like I've been at parties where it feels like

18:52

people have like you know these like in the

18:54

fight to get a critical to get over a

18:56

million drawers know like have a who like fantastic.

18:59

I. Am a simple man and I want to

19:01

be able to fuck you up with whatever my

19:03

body is doing and so. Printed. with

19:05

my like impacts. That. Is with just

19:07

like the weight of the body like I've. Got for

19:09

instance like is really incredible do the called

19:11

west coast. Part. Of the

19:14

name of it is that they're west

19:16

coast made. The heels of west coast

19:18

are like they're engineer booths there for

19:20

people that are like literally climbing up

19:22

on telephone pole a steel toed and

19:24

the got big chunky chunky heels. I

19:27

liked where the with because they're basically should kick in boots.

19:29

They do a lot of the work for me. And

19:31

something that I've regularly done as I

19:33

basically surf on top of people. And

19:36

I'm a very tiny person. So I'll

19:38

lay people out. Sit down, And

19:41

I can I know like with a

19:43

chair or a wall or maybe supporting

19:45

friends like I can put like. The

19:47

one boot laterally like right about somebody

19:49

is like booty. flashlight hits. You know

19:52

very carefully have to know you to

19:54

know what. You're doing and comically feed

19:56

on her people one boot like approximately.

19:58

Beauty. And then one day. Like

20:00

sort of perfectly between their shoulder

20:02

blades and you can to sway

20:05

back and forth and compressed people

20:07

and one. It does to people is it.

20:09

It's almost like. When

20:11

somebody has just finished. Like

20:14

it's the ecstatic experience of of compression

20:16

and massage and also like having a

20:18

and it's higher per stand on top

20:21

of the oh that's so cool. Do

20:23

you ever follow her? I would worry that

20:25

I would follow from and push everybody and

20:28

pointy ways. You know,

20:30

The. Key is to always have like if you're

20:33

gonna do it for instance, like in the corner

20:35

of a room like so you can. You can

20:37

use the wall to sort of really support yourself.

20:39

you that the back of a chair. To

20:41

support yourself. Or you know, inevitably, a lot

20:43

of people want to watch that. so you

20:46

encourage the Audi, the audience. If he well

20:48

to sort of like be or supports the also

20:50

you don't have you don't move too quickly with.

20:52

It because that could cause damage. You

20:54

want some classic compressed and crush and

20:56

mike. of the winner want to rush

20:58

anything for the and i wanted to do a crash

21:01

to the gonna want my crush to be or any

21:03

rushing the yeah no no no. Oh

21:05

Damn. okay. One of my big fantasies

21:07

is just having a literal adult playground

21:10

and I'm like this would be perfect

21:12

for the parallel bars like oh yeah,

21:15

Exactly. or under the jungle gym?

21:17

Okay, wow, what else? That's

21:19

the sort of like childhood growing up

21:22

in front of having a. Like.

21:24

Blinking. I had

21:26

a leather gloves the my Gramma give

21:29

me. Doesn't try another glass. I

21:31

know. Like karma. Why

21:34

would you give me a time of the gloves? when I was like.

21:36

In advance and so. When.

21:38

I was the child. I loved smelling that

21:40

leather gloves. I love the smell of it.

21:43

And so I I literally developed a sandwich

21:45

then of course some critics me to find.

21:48

It embraces, but I would suck my

21:50

fingers like this. And

21:53

hold the leather gloves in my pinky

21:55

ring finger and thumb so that I

21:57

could hold it. Might. Fall

21:59

asleep. When the smell of the ladder. Upon

22:02

sharing this with one of my like. First.

22:05

Like. Bigger. Relationships than my

22:07

really early twenties. My partner the

22:09

time looks mean he was like. Oh.

22:13

You like leather? Hi Lily, introduce you

22:15

to something and so that was how

22:17

I learned to. Walking is basically the

22:19

person who with my daddy at the

22:21

time. Introduced me to his daddy, And

22:24

leave. I and I spent an entire afternoon

22:26

together. We like made a big pot of

22:28

coffee. And leave. I laid out every

22:30

taste and texture of leather possible and

22:33

all of the tools used to take

22:35

care of them and we went piece

22:37

by piece a piece. And. Not

22:39

with how I learned to blocking. It.

22:41

With September Five, two thousand and seven to the that, I'm.

22:43

Dark out of the dark out the summer camp.

22:46

And after that I like, didn't really know what to

22:48

do acts with it. To be entirely honest, I knew

22:50

I was excited about it. But you know it's like

22:52

anything When you're entering, we're entering into a new world

22:54

In a new seem. Like you know what's the point

22:56

of entry gets complicated, right? It's like I had I

22:59

had some of the. Concepts. And some

23:01

of the skills that I didn't quite

23:03

know how to like? move myself into

23:05

the next world. And then I feel

23:07

so it's the joy of metamorphose like

23:09

my. Madam or anna. She's.

23:12

Gifted me a vintage do kit for

23:14

Hanukkah, Say or. I.

23:16

Still haven't been like has her like original note

23:18

in the cover of it and see like what

23:21

she does she sound like a premade little like

23:23

hit on E Bay and like gifted to beat

23:25

me for Hanukkah and I taught myself on a

23:27

bus of living in Portland Maine at the time

23:30

promise of on a bus. Met

23:32

up with a bunch of friends and Providence

23:34

Rhode Island's They simply into their car so

23:36

I took us three hour bus Providence Rhode

23:38

Island some early twenties. Yeah yep yeah. Videos

23:40

as literally like there with there's A Party

23:42

In New York It's going on For over

23:45

twenty five years cops have met. And.

23:47

Submit party is in Park

23:49

Slope of all places. In

23:51

the basement of the site all brownstone

23:53

and. My. Friends scooped me from Providence

23:56

and I in their car and we drove from

23:58

Providence to New York, which. The one

24:00

who understands. The geography of

24:02

the northeast I was. In.

24:04

A car for like eight hours? Own a bunch of

24:07

Harley for eight hours. Like it was a lot. We

24:09

literally got ourselves to a diner a some food and

24:11

went right to that party. And I

24:13

walked up to the person running. The party who the

24:15

person kind of the party person read who is lovely

24:17

and have now that kind of kept away. From it

24:19

but for years Read was running the party. I

24:22

wanted to read. And I was

24:24

like i really wanna. Poop. Like at the party

24:26

but I don't know what to do and read crap

24:29

me a chair and a really fancy like you know

24:31

red light and with like year let's have this corner.

24:33

And according to my friend Lauren who

24:36

was with me, I was the bell

24:38

of the ball. At. That party,

24:40

I was on my knees taking

24:42

care of people's boots. With. My

24:44

first time doing anything like it. Of

24:46

the party started at like ten pm.

24:49

We didn't leave until six o'clock in

24:51

the morning. Holy Shit. I and son.

24:53

That's. All I did I took care of people's

24:56

mothers. I licked people's boots. I like made

24:58

out with people A was. Wild.

25:01

And man and my very last person who took care

25:03

of you know the sun is like started come up

25:05

there were like you been working so hard to give

25:07

you. The size and so basically like. I ended

25:09

the night getting like a nice like rubdown because

25:11

I was like on my knees for like. Now

25:14

room while. And

25:16

that set me off on like a whole like

25:18

this is this is totally my shit. No.

25:21

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28:46

the current as an intern seventy in Philly sort

28:48

of Illinois can ask. A couple of like

28:50

specific details that are total newbie questions. Let

28:52

lay it on it. When.

28:54

You taking care of other people's dude? Are you like

28:56

polishing mom and then if you lick them, Are you

28:58

eating colors on your mouth and get your tongue turn

29:01

black? Do get poisoned? What happens? When. We need

29:03

to. These are these are great question If

29:05

you're doing your job right, you should not

29:07

be getting any product when you're like actually

29:09

following up. There is different. Processes like

29:11

some people will clean the boot. And

29:14

get all of the dirt and like you

29:16

know this like various the node city life

29:18

away and then some people elect and then

29:21

know you know everyone's got their own process

29:23

like I like to. From. Start

29:25

to finish like clean

29:27

class Polish. And Nan

29:29

liquid. All over and that I might

29:31

give one more a little way down and

29:33

put the person places that can. you know

29:35

depending on what happens you know that's mine

29:37

I said but he business and be using

29:39

so much product that you're tasting at many

29:41

man journeymen now I do Now I do.

29:45

I'm sure this is different for every

29:48

person who you would he say Service

29:50

like aware boop. Last link to just

29:52

okay. like when has connections have you

29:54

experienced likely so focused. On. Your Task

29:56

or are you like. Connecting.

29:58

With them in a certain way. Like what? Kind

30:00

of like your favorite textures are that tighter give

30:02

or receive. Do. Receive. Now to like. Oh yeah,

30:04

so I with international I won, I won a

30:06

title. I wonder what is known as a letter

30:08

title? Which you know we can. We can talk

30:10

more about that And that's the intricacies of leather

30:13

titles and zone and so forth. By I went

30:15

from such recent history of being like. I

30:17

said smell leather gloves to like I'm

30:19

on my knees for a million hours

30:21

like wow I'm obsessed with a thing

30:23

like I started volunteering for International The

30:25

Slather I decided to run for International

30:27

The To Black like. I won that and

30:29

Twenty eleven. So I've I've had to sit for lot

30:32

of people to buy, give feedback, a judge, Contests

30:34

I've I've received in that way. Cool, but it's

30:36

a little bit like the shoemakers. Children have

30:38

no shoes during the and like I regularly

30:40

become a regular look at my own boots

30:42

and I'm like us shit them for terrible.

30:45

Like them regularly focusing on other

30:47

people. Like with any process,

30:51

There. Are so many ways.

30:53

That you can approach or practice

30:56

and the flair or the. The

30:58

specialty that people brings us and similar

31:00

to the concept of me being like

31:02

of the a path cali like a

31:04

homosexual, I am very much like a

31:07

simple bootblack. Like I don't have the

31:09

habits hundred ton of fancy products. I

31:11

really just want everyone's letters to be

31:13

taking care of. I don't censor repair

31:15

the leather. it's all about like up

31:17

keep it sound about fixing holes are

31:20

fixing things. Because. The

31:22

connection is more important to

31:24

me. Like I'm going to make

31:26

your leather look good and but I don't

31:29

go into like a keyhole of on this

31:31

flight for me to someone's the sound of

31:33

my sound. Like walk you through it. I

31:36

can tell. As I'm taking

31:38

up the person's laces out or adam examining

31:40

their boots like put a man their boots,

31:42

I can tell what sort of experience people

31:44

are anticipating. Some people

31:46

do want to just. Smoke a

31:48

cigar like play on their phone, talk to

31:50

their friend, drink their drink, and cruise because

31:52

it's a great cruising spot you can totally

31:54

concert with Everybody can see everybody your your

31:56

honor arrays. Elements. You

31:59

can look out over the. Party, or the festival, or

32:01

ever we're at. Some people I can tell it's

32:03

almost like they're flower bending towards the sun. They

32:05

will lean towards me and their whole body will

32:07

be very invested. I'll be like so what are

32:09

you doing So what's that like the last question

32:11

will make eye contact with me. Maybe they'll even

32:13

started with their hands on me while I'm working

32:15

and then I know. They want a very

32:17

specific type of experience. They want me to. every

32:19

time I do anything they want me to look

32:21

at them, they want me to touch them. They

32:24

want me to take my time. So that's kind

32:26

of like the two different tasks like made main

32:28

past that you can kind of branch off on.

32:31

I can really tell and somebody wants me to

32:33

lick their boots. I got the telling somebody like

32:35

not ready for that new any me and like

32:37

I used to teach a class which I'm I'm

32:39

going to be bringing back the see recalled how

32:41

to give good share Ah love and the focus

32:43

of the class. like in this in the sexiness

32:45

of the class like the first, like sixteen as

32:47

about like the process of black and but the

32:49

rest is about. Flirting. Topping

32:51

bottoming service Like how can

32:54

you the energetic exchange that

32:56

comes from. Blocking. And

32:58

leather worship and leather chair and bad

33:01

is more important to me than whether

33:03

you have the most pristine boots when

33:05

you leave you. Well, To.

33:07

Be clear, like I many many times people

33:09

go oh my god they look better than

33:11

they did like out of the box and

33:13

like that's true they well but that's not

33:15

my main priority. I love.

33:17

I really love that. What

33:19

about other receiver? Is different for you.

33:22

Are like what are you smoking connections

33:24

do prefer that depend person person. You.

33:27

Know it as somebody who's like. Very

33:29

like Z list Guaymas in this world

33:31

in world of bear the very specific

33:34

specific like micro micro bike rode Zubin

33:36

of Leather worship. A lot of people

33:38

get really nervous and they aren't ready

33:40

to like him give that sort of

33:42

thing to me. Like. A

33:44

lot of people want to talk to me about

33:46

and block and may want they want a mentorship.

33:48

By the. Idea and I know I yeah

33:51

and so I'd I'd bring that out and he bought

33:53

it for people. I I I sat for someone the

33:55

other day who was like. Oh. My God.

33:57

Internationals have like twenty eleven like that's that's

33:59

wild. Like. Oh. My God. like and then

34:01

physically like while they're working on me. They like kind of were

34:03

like oh you know, like you've been seen for a long time.

34:05

You're kind of a little bit of a dinosaur and Isis like.

34:08

This. Is

34:10

Gabi as a dinosaur? Get the a wrestler like

34:12

I don't really want to be a dinosaur. And

34:15

also like Honey Bunny rely on you that

34:17

like there be some. There be some babies

34:19

that were like seven years old when I

34:21

was starting to you leather worship. So for

34:23

them I do seem like an a dinosaur

34:25

to seem like I am at. Their

34:27

old going on on. I.

34:29

Never called anyone in their. Thirty years old when

34:31

I was in my twenties just saying like i don't think

34:34

I know me. Neither I like the don't even

34:36

I. Like of age agents in the number

34:38

or whatever you like. I don't even see at

34:40

but there is a little bit of a am

34:42

I think people get nervous and the giving a

34:44

nervous like and I think that they want to

34:46

see me as a resource so I'm not necessarily

34:48

getting the same sort of reception that I said

34:50

i it's not as sexy and which is fine

34:52

like that the new building part right like I

34:54

understand like that's my to this analogy and that's

34:56

totally fine but people aren't like you know like

34:58

and I remember last time somebody somebody were to

35:01

my boots on the sand surely be and because

35:03

like by the and I think they're just like

35:05

our like mean we had. Like a connection.

35:07

we talked about our feelings. You know,

35:10

Also, that was actually what I was just about

35:12

to wonder is, what sort of connection? Or like,

35:14

what? What would you like to steal from a

35:16

person? What type of connection wants to be in

35:18

place for it? Like is it is licking considered

35:21

more intimate for you? Like how do you can

35:23

afflict? Think about it and what. Been on

35:25

a theoretical situation where you might receive that what would you wanted

35:27

to be like. It don't necessarily have hey

35:29

this is the perverts Dislike me to seeing on a

35:31

like you know, like I don't. Know the names of

35:34

the people to sit down for me and I probably

35:36

it's sometimes. People. Will be like I sat for

35:38

you like last month and on the like. Absolutely.

35:41

And like I say that would know like I

35:43

enjoyed a lot of people. yeah. And. Like

35:45

a lot of people so I don't. And

35:47

everyone it on a very special and also

35:50

part of it is leather her mother worship

35:52

for me are intertwined, some. People see him

35:54

and very separate Like some people will only lead

35:56

their top speed. Some people will only lick their

35:58

daddies this their mom is the with. The mean,

36:00

but for me I'm like gotta catch em on. Makes.

36:03

You want and I will, I will give you

36:05

the time of your life flaking and very thorough.

36:08

With my mouth so. That's

36:10

very important to me with does that mean you

36:12

lick the whole boot? Oh. Yeah. And

36:14

depending on how like nasty someone wants to gotten

36:16

depending on like the mood I'm in like oftentimes

36:18

even like Twits the celebrity own my mouth if

36:21

it's a he all like you know so late

36:23

the he all like like the sole there's something

36:25

very abject about someone licking the bottom of your

36:27

budapest them you live in a city so like

36:29

some of it is also like things that are

36:31

object. Or hot. So the concept of

36:33

looking some and. Booth

36:35

specifically to begin with. All other sunni mean

36:38

someone like when somebody comes to me and

36:40

like a beautiful weather corsair. Oh My. God.

36:42

So much fun. Sexy. Sexy. sexy than I'm

36:44

literally licking their whole torso. Right like and

36:46

holding them site and like clutching them and

36:48

stuff that's incredible. But there's something

36:51

china like. nasty. About someone who

36:53

that literally definition of a bootlegger right like our

36:55

society has like a lot of fucked up concepts

36:57

of boot licking right? like do any me and

37:00

like it's connected to the concept of like debasing

37:02

yourself and like trying to get ahead by to

37:04

basing yourself and all that stuff. So the concept

37:06

of taking something that is the best thing and

37:08

instead turning it like that's the definition of horny

37:11

right? Like doing something that as. Objects

37:13

or. To be thing or

37:15

not quite right and making it into

37:18

a sex. Sex. A fair hearing me

37:20

making it into a sex. And then

37:22

you know it's like a lot of people get

37:24

like really upset and even more money about that.

37:26

You know. Why? Oh so

37:28

okay. So between the first. Time

37:31

in New York where you were on her knees

37:33

from ten pm to six am and. Like. Now

37:35

where you have a mask this can of. Knowledge

37:38

and leadership in community. What other

37:40

like. Turn. On turn offs

37:42

and explorations. Leather or not, have

37:44

you like discovered about yourself? You.

37:47

Know I joke. I am a lawyer

37:49

and heart like I actually I'm happy

37:51

to just be in the room. And

37:54

really really happy to see in the room. I

37:56

joke that like I'll be the guy walking around

37:58

like eating a sandwich. the. Reading my duty,

38:00

Borloo using her to do a kid like I'm

38:03

very happy to. Be. President's

38:05

Which means that like I've also both

38:07

experience and witness things that I'm like,

38:09

oh yeah, That's hot who yard know

38:12

and it's so interesting to me.

38:14

I. Don't tend to have like

38:16

a visceral reaction to things I tend to

38:18

like. I think maybe. That can be a

38:20

little connected to like levels of shame. Like

38:22

I feel like when we're having a reaction

38:24

like it can be connected. A shame. I

38:27

don't have a lot of those reactions. and

38:29

this is also funny because I'm a tattoo

38:31

artist. I. Get. Really

38:33

overwhelmed by what's known as like

38:35

hook play or like hook suspension

38:37

or a meal plan. when you

38:39

something. About that sharp

38:42

objects going through. Flesh.

38:45

And coming out. Totally. Sucks

38:47

shouldn't really I know and it's not a hundred

38:49

witnesses or been around it or like this. Also

38:51

in terms of life attacks you world and the

38:53

kick world like it's one of the areas that

38:55

like really overlaps like I've been at have to

38:57

conventions and people have been doing up suspension because

38:59

there's. A little bit of that, sort of like

39:01

underground like Mccurry. It gives me a

39:03

feeling even talking about a renowned having that like

39:06

sort of like it gives me like weird response

39:08

like something about it makes me go know which

39:10

makes me wonder like at some point will I

39:12

eventually like be like. I must do it because

39:14

it obviously it scares me. Scares

39:17

me. What? Is this your like

39:19

with the sir? Feel like I think the word

39:21

visceral again. Come. In comes to mind their

39:23

something that makes my whole body. Have

39:26

a Cbgb reaction. To

39:28

the witnessing of the pure splash

39:31

I am positive. That

39:33

in the right hands. This would

39:35

be very horny for someone like I'm

39:37

I'm fully aware that like the thing

39:39

I'm describing may be a the exact

39:41

reason why people that at. Uni

39:44

me And it's like it's it's that,

39:46

it's that's fine line between. Like said,

39:49

as sincere like I for some reason

39:51

to have crept over to the seer

39:53

side. Of the fetishization of that. Whereas.

39:55

Other people I know it's part of the reason they

39:57

live in the same as I think that I'm describing.

40:00

Way to flush mention the way that the

40:02

object. Is going through like? I'm pretty

40:04

certain. that is also the ultimate reason.

40:06

Why people are like this is the only thing I wanted You ever.

40:09

Like people who are really into piercing.

40:11

Really, it's needles like I'm I'm positive

40:13

about it, but something about it makes

40:15

me feel like something dangerous is about

40:17

the happens to my body like it's

40:19

it's a oh no. really? like a

40:21

little oh no. Or animal bodies

40:23

are like don't put my containers Yes, Yes,

40:26

That's I think a part of it. you know any me and like. Absolutely

40:28

no I've had like when i go nc get like

40:30

blood drawn for things like I have to look away

40:32

I have to be like up the said neither the

40:35

needle. entering into my body

40:37

and inevitably. Nine and ten

40:39

times the phlebotomist As like. Well you're covered in

40:41

tattoos. I have to be like. The

40:43

for your medical professional and you like

40:45

that have soon It'll isn't going. Into

40:48

any pepper or their past the second layer of

40:50

skin I was like if my needles we're going

40:52

that as the buzzer knew I would should be

40:55

the rest at the exit machine. Like

40:58

it's nothing. speed or not the

41:00

same needles sort of your of

41:02

the. Villain coming the exit.

41:04

I love watching it personally. Like

41:06

in my own self but I am are

41:08

you know medium masochist and so I'm like

41:10

this time I like to watch it gets

41:12

filled up and I feel ya a glad

41:14

it's not a tech and I'm also like

41:16

it makes me feel like strong kind of

41:18

or whatever you know like you can take

41:20

my blood but I still alive ha ha

41:22

you know like now listen I totally get

41:24

it like I get it like people that

41:26

you like the really intricate patterns and like

41:28

add baubles us I watch to see and

41:30

again because I'm I'm happy to foyer. I watch

41:33

to see and. Where. There

41:35

were six people in a circle. Very.

41:37

Hard needles that we're all attached

41:40

to each other. the fishing line,

41:42

of that would scare and then. All

41:44

of these parts for walking around and.

41:47

I'm single telling them. I'm so

41:49

what would happen with a little bit

41:51

of are like scientific reaction. Where is

41:54

this person? number one.got single tales and

41:56

they went like this. Every one haven't

41:58

experienced like a ripple. That yeah,

42:01

That's so cool and I had to sit far

42:03

away enough that I could hour periods that as

42:05

a larger scene and not for me how they

42:07

were getting pulled on because out with too much for

42:09

me I said i don't know if that is

42:11

yeah yeah so again I'm always going to be

42:13

in the room. I'll say yes to all thing it's

42:15

anything. And then I'll say no

42:17

when I don't want to do any or another.

42:19

I love that how did you develop that skill?

42:21

Is it something that you've always had? Or of

42:23

that something that you like cultivated over time. I've

42:26

always really curious. I've always been very non

42:28

judgmental. I. Have a large otherwise

42:30

quick factor. Do any mean I do?

42:32

I have a low discussed. Threat like are

42:34

you have to be a thing to discuss

42:36

Me I joked that like you you you

42:38

want somebody with a los quick factor and

42:40

of who is a boy or like you.

42:42

Will always be safe because they're going to know everything that

42:44

happens right? I've been in room they've been and scenes and

42:47

I'd like but like things that happen and I've been able

42:49

to be the person that. Because. I'm

42:51

not going to feel. Grossed. Out are

42:53

confused, are scared of what's happening you know even

42:55

if it might like made me a little like.

42:57

After the fact there might be like in an

42:59

emergency for example at my after the fact my

43:01

body might be like level was angry happens but

43:03

I'm the man he wanted. An emergency cause I'm not

43:05

going to be gross out. I'm not gonna be like oh no,

43:07

I can't. And that's always been a factor. Like I'm

43:10

willing to walk through the door if it's open and

43:12

Nine sometimes called out though. like once I walk the

43:14

dog. You know what? I did so much. Smarter

43:16

the store grammarly so accurate, young. Earth

43:19

out, what kind of emergency maintenance

43:21

than? Okay, I'm it's

43:23

it's this is that of my boy. Rhythm. Joke or

43:25

even they would body storytelling? Have you heard of by

43:27

storytelling? But. It'll be a Wd

43:29

Why? Yes, That that was

43:31

the first such podcast they ever listened to

43:33

and I felt so over what the goods

43:35

was. Probably. A decade ago and I'm

43:38

not been to eight and I remember listening to

43:40

it and being like. I don't even

43:42

know what they're talking. Well, how will I learn

43:44

about sex? I'm so I'm never going to have

43:46

sex like I want you know? And so that

43:48

man. minutes. I listened to a two episodes and

43:51

then got. Scared and went on. this Alderney.

43:54

Yes, I mean it makes complete sense because Body by

43:56

Storytelling is is sort of like the Boss in the

43:58

sense that like no one's gonna. What about

44:00

happening? They're just gonna tell if you're worried. Yeah, I know it.

44:02

Which is why I try to create a lot. Of context.

44:04

so the people know where Clinton or something from

44:07

my the opposite because I was like a lot.

44:09

It's a girl trying to believe what would that

44:11

be worth The connection. Is

44:14

used here. A yeah like

44:16

slightly since The Worthy and also scared

44:18

I told the story by storytelling. I'm

44:21

Emily years ago, but I was at

44:23

a. Sex. Party that took place

44:25

in Connecticut. That one of my. Sweetie Have you

44:27

surrounded called. Queer. And Asian. Or

44:30

a T. Cremation was a fantastic.

44:32

Party. It was a lovely party. It's in

44:34

the state of Connecticut you are actually able

44:37

to attend Sense to assault. Oh.

44:39

No No. Yes and so clear

44:41

days into place in a warehouse that was literally right

44:43

next to one of those cops Shots? Were they all

44:46

like dropped off their cars and shit. It was weird.

44:48

It was weird to walk into a sex party and.

44:50

Be like hi there officer and they were

44:52

right there like a was fucking changed. Did

44:54

they ever come to the party's. Probably not.

44:56

Probably? No no no Thank goodness he

44:58

and who wants on their my son's

45:00

My wife was being. Bullied

45:02

by two two of our our dear friends

45:04

they were. They were doing a sort of

45:07

like forced fancy and you know, and I'm

45:09

like eating a sandwich like watching watching them

45:11

do and right next right next to them

45:13

the things you know about the states The

45:15

cranberries coronation is that. It was

45:17

called queer Invasion because. I approximately

45:19

three hundred queers would common be

45:22

in this warehouse dungeon space that

45:24

was actually run by a bunch

45:26

of straight people. And so.

45:29

Yes, and so of course they made so much

45:31

money off of us, we were the most interesting

45:33

about that they had. But. It also

45:35

meant that the members with a members only

45:37

club. Those. Members to come on.

45:39

Any that in the course they must come in the current

45:41

vision. nice because. It was much more interesting

45:44

and fall and vibrant and we're all very

45:46

out for blood and dirt bags and so.

45:49

To. The Society Members: I bring this

45:51

up mostly because I don't feel like

45:53

this would have happened with are people.

45:55

So I'm standing and I'm watching my

45:57

wife's get for Sam's to the left.

46:00

And and a see an eye on the horse next

46:02

to them. This. Much older gentlemen as

46:04

the crow hunter, the horse. And.

46:07

His top This very tall woman. And

46:09

is getting him set up so that she

46:11

can do a bunch of impact on Herman

46:13

You know has a bunch of implements laid

46:15

out and he realizes that he still has

46:17

his glasses on. And. So

46:19

he goes to remove his

46:21

glasses. And his on the horse

46:24

though so he goes where the glasses and his

46:26

his elevated a little bit. The Folsom Up

46:28

and. It's one of the things

46:30

were like I wasn't close enough sega classes from him.

46:33

I. Don't know she clock when he was doing it. Who.

46:35

Really knows. but he went to put his glasses

46:37

down and he fell off the horse and. Had.

46:40

A cartoon style

46:42

crunch happens. Ah.

46:45

And. His arm without. A

46:47

perfect. Oh ninety

46:50

degree angle. He

46:52

broke his arm. The My. Broke.

46:56

His arm right there. And that's the

46:58

thing about being a lawyer is that

47:00

I literally was like holy shit. And.

47:03

Like was able to like get him at shared get

47:05

him a blanket. By are

47:07

two friends that were Tommy my wife. I.

47:09

Was like emergency and they're both very good.

47:11

They're like you know, teachers, parents and so

47:14

they were like know who shit and so

47:16

we went in to like emergency. Mode and

47:18

you know how to call him. He's.

47:20

Like they had to come into the we have a soft

47:22

the sex party like but like we would want the raf

47:24

i'm in a blanket took care of him brought him up

47:26

to the front like thousand some water thousand and some like

47:28

you can be like we're talking like got guy broke. Loose

47:31

on. Me

47:33

while the person who. Is stopping him She

47:35

disappeared. Ah she fucking. Smoking

47:38

disappeared. She was the one who likes She

47:40

was the reason he was on that Hortons.

47:42

Oh the helmet on. And then

47:44

she fuckin ran away. Talk about

47:47

a drop on a little. Only

47:50

euro. Yeah.

47:52

And email. Okay, so. Yeah.

47:55

That is. Like. Boyer,

47:57

the really helpful. Voters

48:00

with a lower threshold the first first

48:02

quick like at. That crunch I

48:04

will never forget they was save with creepy.

48:07

See the crunch? Oh my God. I

48:09

also wanted to highlight i'm feeling pretty inspired by this

48:11

conversation mean that the very serious injury but I'm like

48:13

oh cool I could go to parties and just be

48:16

a voyeur like I forget. Sometimes you'll also have I

48:18

get a post a lot I get approached a lot

48:20

and then I'm like and we don't know I need

48:22

you to be able to see everything a good with

48:24

words and are not going to do that. I'm not

48:26

gonna play with the you know like I. Need clear

48:29

communication And I don't just like globe don't.

48:32

Put you in against against mask and

48:34

then nobody will engage with you and

48:36

I just wander around and as. yeah

48:39

like literally we can pretty when we go for you to get

48:41

asked me to put you in am one of those that letter

48:43

cost that makes it look and then you could literally to see.

48:45

Led around and then you get to experience the

48:47

whole events from i got sorted out inside, outside

48:49

perspective and nobody that's difficult you visit seems like

48:51

you're kind of in a permanent see him. Who

48:54

I? that's even better. couldn't because I was

48:56

like a case I go to can trust

48:58

in Portland then. Maybe. I'll put

49:00

paypal for my mouth and just right. Shy

49:02

or like, do not touch? Certainly please. Touch. But

49:05

here you know I'm because I'm like I don't want

49:07

to be touched. I just don't have enough. I'll have

49:09

that. Okay, so we have. Surfing.

49:11

Across bodies we've heard about some kicking

49:13

you mentioned like preferring hands to implement.

49:15

but do you have some implements like

49:17

if you had to implement, what would

49:20

you implement? Oh yeah, ideal have been

49:22

flogged which is a little bit like

49:24

beyond like. Who doesn't? And it's the most

49:26

susan fantastic experience in the on know. You.

49:29

Like. They do. You like the sting? You like. What

49:31

What kinds of sensations? You prefer to receive. I

49:34

prefer aside, I prefer side. The first ever

49:36

flogged it was at one of the dark

49:38

out of the events that girl that. Of

49:40

we had such like a hot like month since like

49:42

obsess, obsessive affair like a with so high it but

49:44

like we finally got to play together a dark odyssey

49:47

and live with like I'll let you Do anything to

49:49

me pretty lady Juri me and like whatever you want

49:51

and she was flagging me and I remember thinking myself

49:53

damn was my first time being flogged Well this like

49:55

really hurts in a way that like I guess people

49:57

I doesn't that it's tough as other people like. Burns

50:00

Burns and afterwards she was showing the everything

50:02

but she used and her father was one

50:04

that she made herself out of five tires.

50:07

So I learned I learned that day that.

50:09

There's a difference between rather and mother. I

50:11

was a young to keepers and and I

50:13

was like oh. Raids has them

50:15

the rubber edges. Are quite sharp on

50:18

a rubber father and so I was like I

50:20

will do whatever she wants for the lady but I

50:22

did not realize that like. People are able to

50:24

take flogging for like hours and like any and

50:26

the sick. static. Experience because they're not

50:28

having that experience I had. I learned

50:30

from that experience that I much prefer

50:33

said to to sing. Yeah. I.

50:35

Have a lower tolerance for thing I like

50:37

a mixture but do you get into like

50:39

the different types of leathers cause i recently

50:41

with at a like slung workshop and they

50:43

were like dear leather these types of the

50:45

some to do you like get into the

50:47

details. Again, and not much of

50:49

the Gearheads, so like isn't made of

50:51

leather. Love, Grace. Ss. And

50:53

he bought the people who have who are your

50:55

heads like and so and so instead of unity

50:58

like I'm A, I'm a great pairing with somebody

51:00

who's gonna be like layouts. Seventeen different types of

51:02

floggers and they all have different lengths And sickness

51:04

isn't they're made from different high like bless them

51:06

smoke Yeah, I'm like I actually don't even own

51:08

a blogger myself like the flyers we have her

51:11

my wife like can I'm a simple math like

51:13

I wanna like what are you? Are you into

51:15

that Like there must be a word for this.

51:17

I mean some of it might be you know,

51:19

Dan Savage cause it like Gg But for the

51:21

most part like. If you really like

51:24

it, I mean to figure out how at how

51:26

do I get like I'm probably gonna like it

51:28

with you. You don't have a highly responsive desire

51:30

in that way of know when someone's horny for

51:32

something and makes me horny because you're so excited

51:34

about something that I'm like yeah, Be a dirt

51:36

for the thank like oh my god like

51:38

that's great like cool smith in a way

51:41

to learn about stuff to and I'm such

51:43

a good service human. I mean I'm I'm

51:45

switching, but my top parts comes from the

51:47

deep. Whatever. I'm doing is always in service

51:49

to my larger mission which is to make a

51:52

while if you're more loving Place and Uma Thurman

51:54

play spades complete Also. Health pleasure for myself

51:56

although a lot of pleasure for

51:58

myself comes from please. People you know

52:00

and for then. Balancing. Bad out

52:02

and finding. You're. Making sure that

52:05

I'm in spaces where those people. And

52:07

when they deserve to be. Pleased in that way He

52:09

and Death of can have like where I'm at.

52:12

Right now. and so finding that community say?

52:14

how did you. Find. Your people. Is

52:16

it just small community? Is it like of you? Her.

52:19

Struggled. And community aspects or do just like

52:21

find your people in the they are. You

52:23

know, I feel really blessed. Again,

52:25

I think it goes back to. Have

52:28

been sent to summer camp. I won't lie.

52:30

Like not to see Mike. I'm proselytizing about

52:32

summer camp but when you are flung as

52:34

a small person I went to. I went

52:36

to summer camp from eighty nine to sixteen.

52:38

I had to know. How To meet people.

52:41

I didn't go with other people. That I knew

52:43

when I went to those camps as a child.

52:45

So like, you gotta kind of figure out like

52:47

you know. Of course I was embarrassed and comfy

52:49

anxious about it when I was younger, but then

52:51

I eventually learned how to. Become.

52:53

Friends with people, And I

52:55

think it really translated. Into.

52:58

My adult life I've never really struggled to

53:00

find my people and again it goes back

53:02

to that than diagram of like there's enough

53:05

says the city. Ziani, me and minor.

53:07

I remember when I first big job when

53:09

I was living. In New York City

53:11

with for a non profit theater and

53:13

a lot of the straight women who

53:16

are my colleagues. We were all and

53:18

are like you know, mid twenties and

53:20

they're all very lonely. They.

53:22

Became very, very close friends with each other. Like

53:25

in front of them in different ways. Like I had

53:27

my individual friendships love them but they would do a

53:29

lot of stuff together and I remember. Being.

53:31

Confused because. I was

53:34

just like are your only connections through work

53:36

Like how are you only making connections? Through

53:38

work because that's not how I make

53:40

connections the only me and like that

53:42

subsequent. Like if I. Find. Myself madly

53:45

in love with you the after discovering that

53:47

we work together and like you're really cool

53:49

person that's great but that's like an accident

53:51

steal any mean like them. That's not the

53:53

contacts and part of what I realized that

53:55

folks that are at like on the clear

53:57

spectrum in some capacity. And don't have? maybe?

54:00

I'm level of underground sexuality or.

54:02

Specialized interests. They actually do. Not an entry

54:04

point. For. How to build community? Yes

54:06

Union in there isn't like a place

54:09

for them. Know go to the only.

54:11

It's like you have church. If you

54:13

do then. Maybe sex as

54:15

you do. That and then like maybe some others.

54:17

but you know, know, some bird watching group, some

54:19

hiking groups. but it's like. Oh. Yeah,

54:21

I grew up in a society. a mean,

54:23

I'm thirty four turning thirty five and it's

54:25

like I definitely. Eight the productivity narrative pretty heavily

54:28

you know and I think I do have a

54:30

working like but also a group with mom like

54:32

make your what's your plan I don't think she

54:34

met for me to take it as far as

54:36

has taken its I also I'm that like I

54:38

am an artist the my work is my like

54:40

greatest love. But. It's like I totally

54:42

know what you're talking about and. I really

54:44

want to create space as the like meta

54:46

and also I'm like I don't know if I'm

54:49

a community the other yet I'm getting the

54:51

skills. So. You're a person who

54:53

others in your community look to

54:55

for mentorship. Do you. Feel like you

54:57

still have people who grow from are like people that

54:59

like give you a holding ceiling. It sounds like you

55:01

do but I'm just curious what that textures like cream.

55:04

I. Do any and I think that something that's

55:06

really. Important to. Emphasize.

55:10

It's a leather community. It's. Clear,

55:12

it's street, It's and sexual. It's everything.

55:14

It's nothing. It's very sex, were friendly

55:17

and that is very important to me

55:19

and. Something. That is specific

55:21

to the letter community and like there's obviously like.

55:23

You know there's there's kinks. You know, there's sex work

55:26

there. It's like and that and then there, that. Overlaps

55:28

of all of these things, but

55:30

like leather specifically? Is. About

55:32

lineage. About it's about

55:34

recognizing like. Where you come from

55:36

and where you're going and where it

55:39

were Your apps and the strongest I

55:41

think. Community builders and community members. Are

55:43

folks who who are aware that they're part

55:45

of like an intricate intricate web. And

55:48

there's a history journey and and I feel

55:50

that way about about queerness. Uni mean like

55:52

we we are where we are because of people that

55:54

came before us and when it's not just honor them

55:56

but also like be aware of the lineage and so

55:58

when you take that new. The Queer another part

56:00

of it. I feel very blessed that I have. I

56:02

have people who are both older and the same age

56:04

as me that we like. We hold each other accountable.

56:06

We'd make space for each other. We can call each

56:08

other when something. Is strange like

56:11

and. I. Was apartments conversation with

56:13

somebody who who I do consider a friend but

56:15

like we. Were talking about how like one

56:17

of the strength of the concept of community.

56:20

Is. The. You. Even necessarily

56:22

need to. Want. To

56:25

play hang out with or like,

56:27

fuck. Those. People. You. May

56:29

not even like some of the people he

56:31

regularly see. In. Your community but

56:34

part. Of. The reason we're in a community is that.

56:36

We. Can figure out how to all be in the

56:38

same face and do so from a place of care. And

56:41

that is like also very restored. It's

56:43

mean very important and so. In

56:46

the last year I sort of accepted.

56:48

speaking has been a dinosaur. I

56:50

work on an event for the Museum of Contemporary. Art

56:52

where we brought on the Carter Johnson Leather

56:54

library to lose mocha and mom of I

56:56

was known me since I was like twenty

56:58

so she's know me for super long time

57:00

to com ltd and i at one point

57:02

with like i'm not really an uncle yeah

57:05

like I'm still a baby like I don't

57:07

know what you're talking about and she was

57:09

like. Look. Around or what you

57:11

just did and look at all of the young people

57:13

who are asking you. All these questions I've been

57:15

watching them do it seems like I'm really sorry,

57:17

but you're an uncle now. Flakes. And

57:19

I was like. And. So

57:21

like when an elder your timidity nice looks

57:23

like I. Dubbed the I Dumped the

57:25

Uncle like. You just gonna fucking

57:27

lean in? Saunders Linen. I

57:30

love and one a circle that to

57:32

Templeton for a second like. Like

57:36

have squishy belize are like anything like that you know

57:38

can have come up in your adult life for with

57:40

such as can have a form that experience. You

57:43

know I do on the consists. Of.

57:46

I mean I like all bodies. I

57:48

do not discriminate on the basis of

57:50

anything. I'm just like. You see him

57:52

charismatic and choose like let me touch it

57:54

will like I am. I have. No like

57:56

preferences. I don't have ice or anything like

57:58

that. One of the. Target You is

58:01

Thomas I'm an illustration. Like those illustrations

58:03

are I think a really good example

58:05

of the sort of like more adults

58:07

relationship. To the concept of things

58:09

that are baldus and Gore, it's like

58:11

the Man and his illustrations. Thomas Finland

58:13

is quoted as. Saying. Like them

58:16

when he started doing the illustrations

58:18

for with called pictorial Physique. It

58:20

was before photography. And so

58:22

his illustration that early on were much

58:24

more realistic. and then the as into

58:26

photography happened and he basically was like

58:28

the only way to get these motherfuckers

58:30

to like my work is to do

58:32

something the photography cannot deal which is

58:34

make these men something that. Is

58:36

unrealistic. It bankers. And

58:39

so he started drawing these men. With.

58:41

Is all this muscles like tax? like this?

58:43

Me and like And and you know, like

58:46

their dicks are huge and their sprawl banging

58:48

only Me. And and so my theory is

58:50

that like I really do like when people

58:52

are just like. Tight. In their

58:54

mothers and their clothes like There's also illustrator.

58:57

oh my gosh, I'm gonna forget his name.

58:59

Am I thinking Japanese? He's really don't for

59:01

what these alterations of for something known as

59:03

weaning. A smooth cleaning know

59:05

cleaning as hastening. It's when somebody

59:07

says on you know are coming

59:09

down on the there who like

59:11

on her face. Actually there are

59:13

these famous black my ulcerations again

59:15

like gorgeous of these. Very.

59:18

Like sort of Amazonian. Like a burly,

59:20

gorgeous curvy women. And these little will be

59:23

man. Some of them like for instance of

59:25

there's there's one in particular the really think

59:27

that's me. I think that she's like, maybe

59:29

like doing the dishes, are like cooking and

59:32

she has a small naked man. Seat

59:34

belts and him to her but and his

59:36

face. And. Consume stuff

59:39

like completely smashed. And you

59:41

can see the like ball the snacks of

59:43

her of her or her big booty like

59:45

consuming his face. He already me and like

59:48

and I think that's really fucking hot and

59:50

really incredible. So that's my theory as to

59:52

like how that really became a thing Like

59:54

I find that. The. Horny.

59:57

I. Love that much.

1:00:00

Zooming. Out a little bit. I would

1:00:03

love to hear how if at all

1:00:05

do you feel like societal norms have

1:00:07

affected your personal pleasure? Controversial.

1:00:10

I don't think they have. I have

1:00:12

been for super long time like I

1:00:14

don't look like an and moved to

1:00:16

the world like I like a regular

1:00:18

smuggler person Iranian liked when people like

1:00:20

close their eyes and say like woman

1:00:22

like i don't come to mind you

1:00:24

need me and like I don't look

1:00:26

that way and so I haven't found

1:00:28

myself personally like the government doesn't reach

1:00:30

into my bedroom and the way that

1:00:32

it is with other people have always

1:00:35

done a lot of like work around

1:00:37

like pro choice sans I'm access to

1:00:39

abortion and has done. A lot of. Like one

1:00:41

of my first illustration jobs was working

1:00:43

for Planned Parenthood of Northern England and

1:00:45

doing much posters and occasional materials for

1:00:47

them to. I'm always. Done. A

1:00:49

lot of really important work with all that stuff.

1:00:51

And like I've never, I've never been on birth

1:00:53

control sunni me. and like I don't. Fuck.

1:00:56

Like that and I touch all

1:00:58

buddies. That like I'm not regularly enough

1:01:00

and need to protect myself that way. So

1:01:02

I'm always gonna fight the good fight and

1:01:04

I continue to am And like I'm not

1:01:07

personally having an issue with the fact that

1:01:09

I don't have access to certain things right

1:01:11

now. To that makes sense. Yeah.

1:01:13

Totally. Is there anything like on your

1:01:16

erotic bucket list person bucket List: Creative

1:01:18

bucket list that you like Still want

1:01:20

to explore? I mean. Any

1:01:23

during the summer months. Open again. A lot

1:01:25

of screw it. I'm ready. like roll up

1:01:27

the carpets. You know what I mean. like if somebody loves

1:01:29

me and there were like. It's time for you

1:01:31

to get over your fear of new plan I want to

1:01:33

pierce the of I would be like. Oh

1:01:35

take. A

1:01:38

serve in. Hand Like: Take me like you

1:01:40

know, like for everything that I'm like, oh

1:01:42

no, I simply cannot. The Bad: Like: I'm

1:01:44

fully aware that like if the right person

1:01:47

with. The right by was like i wanna

1:01:49

try to think I'm ready to make it

1:01:51

so you thoroughly safe Let's push your boundaries

1:01:53

far. As. I would do that. He.

1:01:55

Had reason to. There's this really incredible

1:01:58

that event photographer. Who's then? photo? Laughing

1:02:00

A lot of the Leather Dyke events for

1:02:02

the last like almost thirty years. Name's Janet,

1:02:04

Ryan and kinda Ryan and I are on.

1:02:06

Both the same the same size. So often at events

1:02:09

like you'll see the to have a tiny tiny little

1:02:11

which is running around like taking photos of Doing things

1:02:13

like her photos of are all over the place. Highly

1:02:15

recommend looking her up. I remember one

1:02:17

of the for scenes that I thought

1:02:19

with her she got turned into a

1:02:21

dragonfly with needles say had sounds like

1:02:23

basically like dragonfly wings. And whenever

1:02:26

she would like flex her her

1:02:28

back. If. The wings were trying to collect

1:02:30

discuss she had all of these tears. Things like that. We're

1:02:33

talking like hundred with needles in her back.

1:02:35

Yeah, Cool set and we all got dinner

1:02:37

afterwards with me on her top and Janet

1:02:39

and I said degenerate, You know, I

1:02:42

must have been like twenty four when we had a

1:02:44

conversation and is like. Tell. Me

1:02:46

more. About what is exciting

1:02:48

Ceo About like cooks the needles like why

1:02:50

is that exciting. And she looks mean. She

1:02:53

went listen. And the my

1:02:55

early fifties. And. Diffuse.

1:02:58

To. Get to a certain type of

1:03:00

high. Is. Getting longer,

1:03:03

As I've done so many things and so

1:03:05

now it's it to reach that euphoria that

1:03:07

I used to get from things that weren't

1:03:10

this extreme. I'm becoming more extreme as I

1:03:12

age because I've now experienced so much that

1:03:14

my team at my library is getting really

1:03:16

fault. So I'm pushing my my boundaries and

1:03:19

I think about that regularly. Like you know,

1:03:21

I don't know what the next thing will

1:03:23

be for me but I know that there's

1:03:25

like a precipice that are probably reach Were

1:03:28

like on know like yeah like this is

1:03:30

this is the one you know another. I

1:03:33

think it's of thunder. not know personally

1:03:35

I mean it's inspired. Extra not know Angry

1:03:37

Young I love? no, no and I'm very

1:03:39

fond of saying i don't know. Yeah,

1:03:43

it's a superpower I think in some ways. I mean, you

1:03:45

know if. We live in a world where everyone's trying

1:03:47

to control everything consciously or unconsciously and like we need

1:03:49

a certain measure of. Sense. Of

1:03:51

control the feel safe for the plague.

1:03:53

For me the world is so chaotic

1:03:55

and unpredictable and I because I. Either.

1:03:58

Misread or misinterpret. Or to

1:04:00

accurately interpret social norms are accused so often

1:04:02

that they're human land mines wherever I go,

1:04:05

you know, and. I. Noticed that that

1:04:07

Create played. A fear that has

1:04:09

become my super power. And. Of them

1:04:11

are the bane of my existence because I don't have. Assumptions.

1:04:14

I feel like I never know anything. notice

1:04:16

way sit down and ask people. who

1:04:18

seem questions over and over again. What

1:04:20

other kings you know have to go into great

1:04:22

detail that like what other things you explored that

1:04:24

we haven't mentioned yet like we got some leather

1:04:26

stuff. We've. Heard out needles in the

1:04:28

future but like. Their other stuff that

1:04:30

you like gotten into the system like phone or

1:04:33

weird or that you've. Backed out over

1:04:35

been like not golden that nor

1:04:37

now like what would it affect?

1:04:39

Yeah I mean so. On.

1:04:42

The Laundry List Get in the shit kicked

1:04:44

out. Of me, cellphone taking a set

1:04:46

of other people Delightful. I do

1:04:48

love tests are not necessarily flagging it like

1:04:50

I'm not like seeking it out, been the

1:04:53

right context and totally ready. I get t

1:04:55

shy so I can't be as a switch

1:04:57

when is really. In which space. Yeah

1:04:59

like I unlike I have like somewhat bravado

1:05:01

and then I like you know, like with

1:05:03

my dugout. I'm ready and that I might. Even.

1:05:07

If you drink a lot of water. The

1:05:10

only time that has a has really been great. It's

1:05:12

when I have had like a lot. Of beers and

1:05:14

might be an assessment of my business and was

1:05:16

our economy and like I have to pee and

1:05:18

also like you know like all of this including

1:05:20

my bladder are like a little dogs out yet

1:05:23

at simply really exciting just I love to suck

1:05:25

on people so like so much of my time

1:05:27

like. There's. Nothing about being like a clear

1:05:29

weirdo is that like a lot of since boys.

1:05:32

Like I. Always joke that like

1:05:34

there's so many of these me as leather,

1:05:36

these other ones that you know primarily gay

1:05:38

sometimes. Street like didn't know to do with

1:05:40

these, but when they do know what to

1:05:42

do with me, it's been nearly as much.

1:05:47

Smiley things myself like queer like if

1:05:49

you if you let me put your

1:05:51

dick in. My. Mouth. New,

1:05:54

early ill equipped my totally. You know you

1:05:56

may identify as like strictly day, you may

1:05:58

identify it straight. but if you. Me:

1:06:00

I'm A. I'm An Entree: I'm

1:06:02

an entree into. To a broader a

1:06:04

broader world. I

1:06:07

relate to that. I mean, I look, especially. That

1:06:09

are a normative now let my hair is growing back to

1:06:11

but like. I mean I've interviewed for that

1:06:13

was specially with like streets a statesman like. So.

1:06:15

What are your balls like a sensitive do to

1:06:17

get touched to the get sucked on and like

1:06:19

oh I don't know and an Imax com. Era

1:06:22

of the he says nearly as easy.

1:06:24

Oh my gosh, I had so much

1:06:26

fun with it's just unfortunate. Went we

1:06:28

never. Got to have more than a few a few days, but I had. So

1:06:30

much fun with a duty to with a

1:06:32

chastity. Willingly. Even though

1:06:34

and he is he has not a

1:06:36

trans woman. We've basically that a missing

1:06:39

scene because I couldn't access. The. Rest

1:06:41

of his junk and instead he guided

1:06:43

me through all of the ways that

1:06:45

I could reach and. And. Play

1:06:47

with the connection points ball.

1:06:49

He was lotta that's so

1:06:52

ah I'm ago so high.

1:06:55

And also like. So. Fun like that.

1:06:57

Anything to like. I'm. So. Ready

1:06:59

to be like though that Boy Scout the play.

1:07:02

Tell me what you want with your body. Yeah

1:07:04

okay tell me more. You know like I'll put

1:07:06

on a glove All like literally just like I

1:07:08

don't be like might lie down like he does.

1:07:10

I'm a very small percentage is the very person

1:07:13

and the like skewed like laid out on my

1:07:15

couch. Analysis like yeah. show me how to reach

1:07:17

him. So that like I can still play

1:07:19

with you because you're locked up from your partner

1:07:21

like fools. Now let's let's make this happen. Yeah,

1:07:25

You. Mentioned this thing earlier. Is that

1:07:28

something you have engaged in? Yes,

1:07:30

I love this thing. I

1:07:33

can be sustained, but. I.

1:07:35

Need does. This. Is where it

1:07:38

becomes like a little. Is. A demi.

1:07:40

Any sexual if you need you need a little

1:07:42

bit of emotions are my is my chance to

1:07:44

be sustained by like. Person. Number.

1:07:46

Two. Idea little more intimacy

1:07:48

for that, but again, Tiny person. I've

1:07:51

been the start of many sitting trains

1:07:53

because I'm a good warm. Up and

1:07:55

little hand. I'm.

1:07:57

Really? Sad there is assisting party at precincts,

1:07:59

especially. And and I'm very sad that I was working

1:08:01

and I couldn't make. It but I'm I had some people

1:08:03

who bands that are going to report back to me

1:08:05

about how it, how it was bad. Oh my god

1:08:07

yeah those leaders like. Them to any of them

1:08:10

are way to l re. Stories Vr

1:08:12

Oh my God of so cool.

1:08:14

Okay little question here to for

1:08:17

the world. What do you think

1:08:19

we need to make our planet.

1:08:22

A. More sexy, connected and loving

1:08:24

place. I. Think. That

1:08:27

we need. To have a

1:08:29

stronger foundation of like open communication.

1:08:32

Like. Crossword: Yeah, two point about. like

1:08:35

no assumptions. I think that. People.

1:08:38

Need to be willing to. Talk.

1:08:41

And listen. And.

1:08:44

That will like. Removes.

1:08:46

So. Many. Issues

1:08:49

Overall. In the

1:08:51

end might open hearted. Conversation.

1:08:55

Across the board. Would I I know is

1:08:57

like a little like we should talk but like it's.

1:08:59

I don't know, like I feel like

1:09:02

every time someone having an issue with

1:09:04

somebody or even like I've I've fallen

1:09:06

madly in love with reading be an

1:09:09

Ama the Asshole posts on Reddit. I

1:09:11

really liked of posts and nine out

1:09:13

of ten times. The. Answer is

1:09:15

did you talk to them. The.

1:09:17

Judge conversation most of the questions.

1:09:20

That I get are like how do I talked

1:09:22

to my person about this you know and oddly

1:09:24

enough to a lot of times they have talked

1:09:26

to their person so there's like something else behind

1:09:29

that question and yeah yeah have we were. If

1:09:31

we were taught differently I think how to speak

1:09:33

in one and also it. It is so confusing

1:09:35

that people have the assumptions. And they

1:09:37

just don't really is when their assumptions are different.

1:09:39

Like that's probably the number one. Point.

1:09:42

of social freeze that I encounter in the world where like.

1:09:44

I do not know how to proceed because I

1:09:46

see the disparity in i don't I connected you

1:09:49

know? had. Because I know that we don't

1:09:51

have the same communication foundation. Okay,

1:09:53

wrap up with some fantasy. Questions first

1:09:55

if we suddenly lived in

1:09:58

a world where everyone. In

1:10:00

their early adulthood and to serve.

1:10:03

Our. Country as a sex worker for

1:10:05

two years. How.

1:10:07

Would you fulfill your civic duty? I.

1:10:10

Mean, I think I'm emphasizing a point that

1:10:12

I've already hit with a hammer multiple times

1:10:14

the like. I think that everybody's leathers would

1:10:17

look. Really good. I

1:10:21

think everyone would look really good like I

1:10:23

think I would make sure that everyone like

1:10:25

preceding frankly. The Like My services

1:10:27

that like you are like can go to

1:10:29

your session or you're going to be like

1:10:31

the clients like and you are going to

1:10:33

look. Very good. Know.

1:10:36

Messier, You're

1:10:38

very well grief your clean and Greece.

1:10:41

courtesy. Of gated Iman. Okay,

1:10:43

So now Katie Diamond has an unlimited.

1:10:46

Budget to build the perfect. Place.

1:10:48

Based Castle tallest building, whatever structure

1:10:50

you want for people to come

1:10:53

play and have fun. What?

1:10:55

Does it look like wouldn't feel like? what? are

1:10:57

the details? At it this is

1:11:00

very like I may as well have that

1:11:02

the blueprints like hear any me and I

1:11:04

kind of the house hundred and you for

1:11:06

this All right. So it's a multi level

1:11:08

situation. The first level is like library. Chill

1:11:10

down you come in, you check and make

1:11:12

You can put yourself in a locker in

1:11:14

Britain up in a cubby. But there

1:11:16

is like books all around. Movie is

1:11:18

essentially like a library space for you

1:11:20

can educate yourself by what's going on.

1:11:23

Second, Level. Is. A

1:11:26

dungeon. With. All the equipment that

1:11:28

you can possibly imagine like you know there's

1:11:30

a whole high old area where people can

1:11:32

do kids played as are wrestling section that

1:11:34

even has like you know that the like

1:11:36

barriers whatever. I honestly don't think about wrestling

1:11:38

and it's like smith civil wrestling such as

1:11:40

the ring that know everything. Everything to see

1:11:43

them as a set for to third floor

1:11:45

is gonna be assertive modular theatrical face where

1:11:47

you can play a different fantasies. So for

1:11:49

it since like if you aren't you know

1:11:51

you decided you're a stable boy like well

1:11:53

fuck sandy. Where the courses are and of of a

1:11:55

while and were bringing in the that you can pretend. That

1:11:57

you're in the stables. He went under your friends made like.

1:12:00

Costume World Now the roof is

1:12:02

a spot. There. Said there's

1:12:04

hotheads is a sauna, there's a drive

1:12:06

on it is a wet sauna and

1:12:08

that is where everybody can might come

1:12:11

down and relax were also there's like

1:12:13

a fully functional. Kitchen were either you can

1:12:15

communicate, make a new know meal together or

1:12:17

someone will be like i'm a chef for

1:12:19

the night number to cook for everybody suit

1:12:21

filed my for sorry fantasy world. Do.

1:12:24

We have a lot of overlap in

1:12:26

our fantasy. brenda sucking up his. Someone

1:12:28

give us a fucking grant. Like someone. Work and

1:12:30

I were working on. oh. Okay,

1:12:33

Lastly, if a listener out there

1:12:35

is. Completely. Not connected

1:12:37

yet to any sort of leather community.

1:12:39

Maybe they're even in a small place

1:12:41

where they don't have even have one.

1:12:43

How would you recommend these? Start to

1:12:45

explore or get involved? I. Think

1:12:47

that doing a little bit of research on

1:12:50

the internet is good. I. Feel

1:12:52

very strongly and I have since the beginning of

1:12:54

internet. And I do even even more now.

1:12:57

Being. Able to be in person with people as

1:12:59

a really good idea. It is

1:13:01

hard. And. I consider for somebody.

1:13:03

Who when the Portland Maine like I had to

1:13:05

drive to Boston I to drive to Providence like.

1:13:08

Being. Able to get to the cities

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that have the things. I think

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is important if you want to try to

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has been entry there's so many incredible book.

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Library, looking at the Mother Archival in Chicago,

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you'll be able to read some really incredible

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resources. But I think beyond the reading

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and beyond be online community it's very important

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to get in some meat space. Me:

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Safe And so. With

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any opportunity possible going to the next

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closest city. Having a

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friend, having a buddy, being like let's

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explore. I. Think it's just many the

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things and that that he didn't even need to

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be a kinky. They just need to be somebody

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who's like your pleasures exciting to me. So let's

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go somewhere. You know? that's like a

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huge thing. Luckily. There's

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something called the Eagles. Eagles.

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Are leather bar that are actually throughout

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the country and so. You. Can

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going to find another bar. Somewhere.

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Within the area and here in a pretty

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rural area gets difficult. You know any. And

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it gets lonely. And so that's where the

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strength of the internet does help but the

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community building. We need the semantic experience of

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being in the same room as our people.

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And. So being able to find yourself

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another bar find yourself an eagle. Sometimes

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people do individual rope group to. So

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like that, might have been really interesting. Where you

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can some sort of be like I'm in Knoxville,

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Tennessee. And everything is really for

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far apart. And is there like a

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public states where people are meeting for something

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called a months and people can have. Signed:

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going to like me to be a dark

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basement room and then you can be allowed

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whether. You even enjoy the company of some the people

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that are gonna be in your heart. Local community, Beautiful.

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the Los Angeles area and wanna get

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tattooed by you, like with your style

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