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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over

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twenty five years, I've been on a

1:00

journey to prove the existence

1:02

of life after death. On each

1:05

episode, we'll discuss the reasons

1:07

we now know that our loved ones

1:09

have survived physical death and

1:12

so will we

1:14

Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

1:16

We often hear near death experience stories

1:19

where people witness floating up out

1:21

of their body, where people see

1:24

themselves being worked on by hospital

1:26

staff. Where people see their deceased

1:29

loved ones after the near

1:31

death experience, it completely

1:33

changes their life forever.

1:36

It is rare to have all of them in

1:38

one near death experience. I

1:40

want to share with you now a conversation

1:42

I had with Karen blance

1:45

Thomas, and be sure to stay till

1:47

the end because she's got some powerful

1:49

words of wisdom. I know you'll

1:51

really appreciate hearing her story.

1:54

My near death experience was so long ago,

1:56

it was thirty five years ago. At

1:59

that time, I was just a young mom,

2:02

fairly young. I was thirty two and my kids

2:04

were nine and six, and

2:08

my husband and I had moved from

2:10

our home in upstate New

2:12

York to Alaska,

2:15

and my husband was working on the

2:17

oil field the Pruto, and

2:20

I was working in the main trauma

2:22

hospital in Anchorage. At

2:24

that time it was Alaska Hospital and Medical

2:27

Center. My career is

2:29

physical therapy, and so I

2:31

was able to get a job working in

2:34

the physical therapy department there. Five

2:36

years before, I had an injury

2:39

to my low back and I had a ruptured

2:41

disc and had to have a laman ectomy,

2:45

and working with some of the

2:47

more stressful traumatic

2:49

patients that we had to work with and

2:52

incident happened that caused me to rupture

2:54

another disc in my back. So

2:56

I was set up for surgery and

2:58

was one of the first surgical

3:00

patients in the morning, right in the same hospital

3:03

where I worked. My husband and

3:05

the kids came into the hospital and

3:08

were there to walk beside the

3:10

stretchers. They brought me down to

3:12

the operating room. In the operating

3:15

room, they were having me on my stomach

3:18

to be able to open up my back to

3:20

do the surgery, and I remember

3:22

the anesthetic coming in through

3:25

the ivy and then it was lights out

3:28

until suddenly my

3:30

awareness was that I

3:33

was about three or four inches

3:35

from the ceiling tiles and

3:38

looking at these ceiling tiles from very

3:40

close up and being

3:42

totally puzzled as to why that

3:44

was happening, until

3:47

I started hearing the surgeons

3:49

was swearing and hearing

3:52

the anesthesiologists saying that the

3:55

blood pressure had bottomed out, and a

3:57

nurse running out to get blood

4:00

transfusion. And

4:02

my awareness then was back at

4:05

the operating room table, where

4:07

I could see they were in the process of

4:09

flipping my body from face down

4:11

to face up, and I realized

4:14

that was me with this very white

4:16

face that I was looking at, and

4:18

seeing the turmoil that was happening

4:21

in there, I immediately

4:23

thought that I must be dead.

4:26

But I was totally calm

4:28

and unconcerned about

4:31

that body down there, but

4:33

did have some concern for my husband

4:36

and the kids. They're in a waiting room,

4:39

and so I had this desire

4:41

to go to them to let them know

4:43

that I was okay. And as

4:46

soon as I had that desire, I

4:48

began to drift, and I literally drifted

4:51

through the wall of the operating

4:53

room and out into the hallway that they

4:55

had brought me down after getting

4:58

in the O R suite, And

5:00

so I went back the way I had come on

5:02

the stretcher, and I just drifted

5:04

along, drifted through double doors,

5:07

going into ther suite and

5:10

out into another hallway. At

5:12

this point, I suddenly

5:15

realized that I was able to hear

5:17

the thoughts of people. I

5:20

saw this man in

5:22

a brown jacket and pants and

5:25

carrying a bag, and he was in

5:27

a big hurry, and he was heading

5:29

past open elevator doors and

5:32

toward the operating suite. In

5:34

his mind, I could hear him thinking, I've

5:37

got to get in there. I have to get in there fast.

5:39

I got to get there as soon as I can. I've

5:41

got to get there. And at the same

5:44

time, there was another man that prior

5:46

to this I hadn't been aware of, was

5:49

closer to those operating room doors,

5:51

and I'm hearing his thoughts of what's

5:54

that guy doing, thinking he can go in thear

5:57

he's not allowed in there, but what's

5:59

he doing. At that exact

6:01

same moment, another voice

6:03

from outside my consciousness

6:06

said to me, look

6:09

at this man. It's important,

6:12

remember it. And so I

6:14

looked closely at the guy who was

6:16

rushing, and I looked at

6:19

his facial features and his

6:21

clothing and everything. As soon

6:23

as that voice said that to me, and

6:25

I watched the man open up the automatic

6:28

doors and then go into the O R

6:30

suite. As soon as he was

6:32

out of sight, my own

6:34

volition of trying to head toward the

6:36

waiting room and my husband and

6:38

my kids was gone. It

6:42

was as though I was on

6:44

a tractor beam that now

6:46

had me and was moving me,

6:49

rather than my intention moving

6:51

me. It began pulling

6:53

me up through the

6:55

ceiling of that floor and

6:59

through the area where the heat ducts

7:01

and the wires are up to the

7:03

next floor, and then through another

7:05

floor, and up through that

7:08

floor, and finally completely

7:10

out of the roof of the hospital itself

7:12

and up into the sky up above it,

7:15

where I could see the mountains in the background.

7:17

They were fairly close to where the hospital

7:20

was. And then after

7:22

that much of going up in the air, which

7:24

was like easily as high as the mountains.

7:27

Suddenly the direction of pole was

7:30

more lateral, and I was going

7:32

even faster, and I was going

7:35

very fast over

7:37

the city of Anchorage itself and out

7:39

toward the water. And at

7:41

just about the point where I would be hitting

7:43

going over the water, instead

7:46

of being over the water, I was within this

7:49

very dark cave like structure,

7:53

very black, and yet I'm calm,

7:56

I'm perfectly comfortable.

7:59

At this point I began moving much

8:02

faster than that. Very

8:04

far in the distance. There was just

8:06

a pinprick of light. Because

8:09

of the speed that I was moving through

8:11

this darkened area, that

8:13

pinprick of light went from being a pin

8:15

prick to getting bigger and bigger

8:18

until the point where I suddenly burst

8:21

into the full light itself.

8:23

At that point, I was enveloped

8:26

in this unbelievable,

8:28

indescribable, immense

8:31

love and peace and

8:34

well being and joy, and

8:36

all of the adjectives that don't begin to describe

8:39

it. Actually, I was just

8:41

overwhelmed with this feeling.

8:44

Also at this point, I thought,

8:46

oh, where am I? So I

8:49

looked down, thinking to look

8:51

at the ground, and I

8:53

saw that where I should have

8:55

feet, there was no feet, but there

8:58

was ground, and it was very

9:00

dry, brown ground,

9:03

and there was different sized rocks

9:05

all over it, and it was just a very arid

9:07

looking spot. And I remember

9:09

thinking, oh, if I'm in heaven,

9:12

I didn't expect it to be dry

9:14

and rocky and brown. And

9:17

then my attention was drawn

9:19

by a telepathic voice that

9:21

said, follow me. And

9:23

as I turned to my left, I

9:26

saw there was a man going up

9:28

an incline hillside.

9:31

And as soon as I looked

9:33

and heard that voice inside

9:35

my head, I was immediately

9:38

right behind him going up this incline,

9:41

so I had time to examine the back

9:43

of him, and I saw that he

9:46

had almost black hair, quite

9:48

long, pulled back and tied with

9:50

a leather tie. He had

9:53

a toga like clothing

9:55

on that was like mid thigh or close

9:58

above the knee, and he had

10:00

sandals with leather

10:03

ties that crisscross wrapped up

10:05

his calves. My instant

10:07

thought was, that's

10:09

not Jesus, because I

10:11

was very much into a fundamentalist type

10:14

of Christian faith at that point in time, so

10:16

I thought I had the answers. I thought,

10:18

I knew if I'm dead, exactly

10:21

what should happen and who should be there, and

10:23

that it should be absent from the

10:25

body and present with Christ. It

10:28

startled me and it threw me

10:30

off base, but I followed him,

10:34

so he went up over

10:36

the lip of this inclined

10:38

area, and when we

10:41

came up over that, then

10:43

it was an entirely different scene.

10:46

And it was a gorgeous

10:49

green meadow that was

10:51

filled with flowers

10:53

of all different kinds

10:55

that I didn't ever remember having seen

10:57

before. But the most important thing

11:01

was I felt that this light

11:03

that was everywhere was

11:06

also within the grass, within

11:08

the flowers, and it gave

11:11

the flowers almost a neon light

11:13

about them, and the same with

11:16

the leaves and the trees. It

11:18

was just stunning. So I was

11:21

just mesmerized and

11:23

must have been taking it in for a

11:25

period of time because my

11:27

guide had gone on ahead and

11:30

he again communicated with me telepathically

11:33

and he said, come here, and

11:36

this was across the meadow into

11:38

the bank of a river. This river

11:41

was just glistening, diamond,

11:44

beautiful. And on the

11:47

opposite bank of this river was

11:50

my father who had died when I was seven,

11:53

and my brother who had been killed in a car

11:55

accident when I was twenty

11:57

three, and various

12:00

aunts and uncles who had passed away,

12:02

and even four people that I

12:05

had never met in this life but

12:07

I instantly knew were

12:09

my four grandparents who had already

12:11

died before I was born, and

12:14

a whole group of others that were

12:17

my deceased family. They looked

12:20

young, they looked like they were around

12:24

the same age that I was, actually, but it

12:26

wasn't their looks that made

12:29

me know who they were. It was their

12:32

spirit was able to steate with mine,

12:34

and we knew each other at

12:36

that depth of who we were and

12:39

how we were family. And it was this huge

12:43

welcoming homecoming, family

12:46

reunion feeling of Oh,

12:49

Wow, she's here. Isn't it wonderful

12:51

She's here? And of course I felt

12:54

the same way, and so

12:56

I wanted to be across that water. I

12:58

wanted to be with them.

13:00

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13:06

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13:57

Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

13:59

I'm Sandra's Champlaine. We are

14:01

with Karen Blantce Thomas hearing

14:04

her near death experience,

14:06

one of the most extraordinary ones I've

14:08

ever heard. Let's continue.

14:11

This river was just

14:13

glistening, diamond, beautiful.

14:16

And on the opposite bank of

14:18

this river was my father

14:20

who had died when I was seven, and my brother

14:23

who had been killed in a car accident

14:25

when I was twenty three, and

14:28

various aunts and uncles who had passed

14:30

away, and even four

14:32

people that I had never met

14:35

in this life but I instantly knew

14:38

were my four grandparents who had already

14:40

died before I was born, and a

14:42

whole group of others that were my

14:45

deceased family. They looked young,

14:49

they looked like they were around the

14:51

same age that I was, actually, But it

14:53

wasn't their looks that made

14:56

me know who they were. It was their

14:58

spirit was able to with mine, and

15:01

we knew each other at that

15:03

depth of who we were and

15:05

how we were family, and it was this huge

15:09

welcoming homecoming, family

15:11

reunion feeling of Oh,

15:14

wow, she's here. Isn't it wonderful

15:16

she's here? And of course I felt

15:18

the same way. So I wanted to

15:20

be across that water. I wanted to be with

15:22

them instantly. My guide

15:25

said, no, there's something

15:27

else we have to do first. I

15:30

was so disappointed. I really

15:32

wanted to go, but he said, no, somewhere

15:35

else we have to go first. So I had

15:37

to follow him, And so I

15:39

went behind him down along

15:42

the bank of the river and around a curve and

15:45

into an opening where there

15:47

was this immense building

15:50

that was purlescent white.

15:52

It glowed actually, so white

15:55

and glistening, and it

15:57

was like a Roman or Greek temple,

16:00

had so many stairs up the front

16:02

and big columns, and it was just

16:04

gorgeous. And there were other people,

16:06

other spirits there, some

16:08

going up the stairs, some coming down, some

16:11

in groups talking with one another.

16:14

Everyone dressed pretty much just

16:16

in simple flowing light colored

16:18

clothing. My guide went up to

16:21

the doorway and again said follow

16:23

me, we're going inside, and

16:26

so I was instantly up behind

16:28

him as he opened the doors,

16:31

and we went into this immense

16:34

long room that

16:36

went up for stories and

16:38

it was completely filled with

16:41

books and scrolls and things.

16:43

And down through the middle of this long room

16:45

or tables, and there were

16:48

people sitting at the tables and

16:50

were looking at books, and

16:52

my guide communicated to me, this

16:55

is the place where the Book of Life is stored.

16:58

That meant something to me my knowledge

17:00

of the Bible, and I thought, oh

17:03

wow, this is amazing, and

17:05

I wanted to look around and explore, and he said,

17:07

no, we're going to another place

17:09

at the back. So we walked through

17:11

this whole long room and

17:14

down into a hallway and through a doorway

17:16

into a much smaller room. And

17:19

in this smaller room there was

17:21

a whole oval area

17:24

of spirit people who

17:26

were sitting and waiting for us

17:28

to come in. In the center

17:30

of this oval, instead of a table,

17:33

there was like what I'd call I

17:36

compare it to a glass bottom boat,

17:38

because it was like a screen, but like

17:41

you could see through it, like when you're in

17:43

a glass bottom boat, and they

17:45

communicated to me that they were

17:47

the spiritual people who

17:50

had been with me and had helped

17:53

me plan my lifetime, and

17:55

that now we were going to review

17:57

what had happened in my life up to this

18:00

point. At that point in time,

18:02

this screened area or that blast

18:04

bottom boat area, it became

18:08

like a hologram. I was

18:10

instantly within the hologram,

18:12

being myself once again in

18:15

all of the things that had happened in my life

18:18

up to that point. More importantly,

18:20

also being the people

18:23

I was interacting with, so

18:25

that I could feel what they were

18:27

feeling because of what I was saying

18:30

to them or how I acted to them,

18:33

or vice versa, how they

18:35

were acting to me, and what I was feeling.

18:37

It was all the feelings and

18:39

the emotions involved in what

18:42

I had done, when I had done

18:44

things that had made people feel better,

18:46

and when I had done things that had

18:49

caused people to feel hurt. I

18:51

was really an amazing,

18:54

powerful experience that seemed to happen

18:56

just like instantly. And

18:59

though all of the people who were there, none

19:02

of them were doing anything but sending

19:04

me love and support. I

19:07

was feeling bad, looking at

19:09

my situations and saying, oh, if

19:11

only I had done this instead of

19:13

this, and if only

19:15

I had realized when this person did

19:18

this thing to me that hurt me, they

19:20

weren't really meaning to hurt me, or

19:23

they met it in a totally different way than I

19:25

had taken it. So all

19:28

of that took place. It seemed like

19:30

very quickly, but very intimately

19:32

and detailed at the same time, because

19:35

time is just not like it is here,

19:38

so it's hard to put it into

19:40

a time context to explain it. The

19:42

feeling that I was getting from them was

19:45

that's fine. We're just showing

19:47

you this to give you a context more

19:49

or less, and we love you, and we know that

19:52

you're a totally lovable

19:55

person. And there was never any doubt in

19:57

my mind that I wasn't fully loved. In

19:59

the time that I was there with

20:02

the life review, I not only had the life

20:04

review portion, but they also

20:07

communicated to me at that point, you

20:09

can stay or you

20:11

can return to your life. They

20:14

said, if you return to your life, before

20:16

you decide, we want to show you some

20:19

things through this hologram

20:22

of what will happen if

20:24

you go back, and some things that

20:26

may happen if you decide

20:28

to return to your life, and so they

20:30

showed me and it was all related

20:33

to me personally. It wasn't like the future

20:35

of the earth or anything

20:37

like that. So that

20:39

was the last thing that I have

20:42

a memory of until the point where I'm

20:44

with my guide in another

20:46

spot. In this other place,

20:48

it's a smaller room, but just him and

20:51

I, and he's saying, I

20:53

want to show you what's happening in the hospital.

20:56

It was as though I could see down

20:58

through the ceiling of the waiting room

21:01

that my husband and my two kids were in.

21:04

I could see the doctor who had

21:06

been operating on me coming to

21:09

the doorway in his scrubs, and

21:12

my husband getting up from a little couch

21:14

in this waiting room and going over to the

21:16

doorway and standing

21:18

there by him, and then

21:20

all of a sudden, I was aware of my

21:23

kids being there, and then

21:25

being scared. Then my

21:27

guide said, while you're seeing

21:29

this, I want to show you those

21:32

prayers of the people that you ask to

21:34

pray for you. And so off

21:37

to the side of this one picture that I'm

21:39

being shown, I see all

21:42

of these prayers rising up,

21:44

and each of the prayers had its

21:46

own vibration, so it

21:48

was like it was being shown to

21:50

me physically like a musical note.

21:54

One prayer had this musical note,

21:56

and the next one had another, and

21:58

the next one had another, and they were like linking

22:01

one to another. The very

22:03

last prayer that I was shown was my daughter

22:06

praying that I would live because she was afraid

22:08

I was dead, and at

22:11

that point got

22:14

to get myself together.

22:15

All of that, It's okay, take

22:17

all the time you need. We appreciate you.

22:20

Sharing.

22:22

All of the emotion of

22:24

my life came back to

22:26

me where I had been totally calm

22:29

and detached through everything

22:31

that had happened up to that point. It

22:34

was as though that last prayer kind

22:37

of linked me back into my human Karen

22:40

emotion, my desire to

22:42

not have my kids grow up without

22:44

me and to be there for them.

22:47

It made the decision for me that I needed

22:50

to return to my life. Once

22:52

I did make that decision, my guide

22:54

said to me, you will have

22:57

proof that this did happen

22:59

to you, that it was real, But

23:02

you're not going to be able to remember

23:04

everything that has happened here, and

23:06

you won't be allowed to remember the things

23:09

about your future that you

23:11

were shown because if

23:13

you did, your choices

23:16

would no longer be your free will. They

23:18

would be colored by what you knew

23:21

was supposed to happen or was going to

23:23

happen. You won't remember those

23:26

things, but yes, you can

23:28

return. That's the last

23:30

thing I remember until waking

23:32

up in the recovery room, and my husband

23:35

and my kids were beside the stretcher

23:37

with me. Instantly, as

23:40

I woke up, I was completely

23:43

infilled with all that immense

23:45

love and peace, that

23:48

pure knowing that God loved

23:51

me so much and that I was so important

23:53

and I was so safe. It

23:55

filled me, and it also filled

23:57

an area around me like a protective

24:00

bubble, and I remembered all

24:02

of my experience, and I knew immediately

24:04

that was my proof that it it actually

24:06

had happened, because

24:08

otherwise I hadn't ever experienced

24:11

anything like that before. And there it was,

24:13

and along with the memory of

24:16

what had just taken place. And

24:18

then later in the hospital in

24:21

recovery one day after

24:23

I got out of intensive care, this

24:26

doctor came in to follow

24:28

up with me. As he walked in the room,

24:31

I realized that he was the doctor or

24:33

the person that I had seen running towards

24:36

the our room when

24:38

I was out of body. So I

24:40

knew. That's why it was important for me to

24:42

look at him and to remember him, because that

24:44

was another proof for me as well

24:47

that it had actually happened.

24:49

And in fact, later on when

24:51

I went to a follow up appointment with

24:54

him, I talked to him and I said,

24:57

the day that my surgery happened,

24:59

this, this is what I saw. I

25:02

actually was able to be out of my body.

25:04

And I saw you coming

25:06

in and rushing toward those doors.

25:09

And I said, you were wearing just regular

25:12

clothes of brown jacket and stuff, And is

25:15

that what really happened? He said

25:17

yes, he said, I wasn't in on call

25:20

in the hospital. I was at my office

25:22

and they paged me at my office dat

25:25

to come in to see

25:27

if I was going to be able to save your life.

25:30

So he said, yes, that's

25:33

what happened. I came from outside

25:35

the hospital. So that

25:37

was my experience, and for a

25:40

very long time after that, it was pretty

25:42

difficult.

25:43

This is a good time to take the break.

25:45

When we come back, we'll hear more from Karen

25:47

about the after effects, some of

25:50

the things she learned about that guide

25:52

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25:55

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27:01

Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

27:03

I'm Sander Champlain and this is a

27:05

story about a near death experience

27:08

by Karen blance Thomas. She

27:10

hasn't written a book, she's not in the

27:12

movies. She's just a regular person

27:15

with an extraordinary story to

27:17

share. So last she described

27:19

to us coming out of the near death

27:21

experience, getting verified

27:24

information from the

27:26

doctor that although she was

27:28

unconscious, she really did witness

27:31

those things. And as a

27:34

former fundamental Christian, she'll

27:36

now explain more of her journey.

27:39

A lot of what I had firmly

27:42

believed and thought that I knew in

27:44

terms of religion and

27:47

being saved or not being saved,

27:49

and what heaven must be or not

27:51

be. It just no longer

27:53

fit with my actual experience,

27:56

and integrating back into

27:59

my life was difficult for quite

28:01

a while. People are a lot different

28:03

now than they were. Since

28:05

I've found ions International

28:09

Association for Near Death Studies,

28:11

it's been very different for me. A

28:13

lot of things have changed over my life.

28:16

When you had your experience, how

28:19

clear was your vision and your hearing?

28:23

Extremely clear, much more clear.

28:25

I'm a person who's been nearsighted. I

28:28

got my first glasses when I was seven, and

28:30

so without my glasses, I

28:33

can't see my hand in front of my face

28:35

hardly, but everything was crystal

28:38

clear. The ability to almost

28:40

be able to look through a microscope.

28:44

Like when I was told to pay attention

28:47

to this man, this is important.

28:50

I was able to zero in on

28:53

his facial features and

28:55

what he was wearing and who

28:57

he was up close without

29:00

actually being close. It was like I

29:02

wanted to see it close. I could see it close. And

29:05

that was the way everything was. When I was looking

29:08

at the flowers, when I was looking

29:10

at all of the different things, I

29:12

could see them in much

29:15

closer vibrant detail than

29:17

I ever could have without

29:19

my glasses.

29:20

Here, you tell

29:22

this story like it happened yesterday. How

29:25

clear does the memory survive thirty

29:28

five years later.

29:30

Definitely more clear than

29:32

pretty much anything else,

29:35

because it's a memory, but it's

29:38

more than a memory. Each time

29:40

you tell it, a portion of

29:42

your consciousness is literally reliving

29:45

it, and it's that detailed.

29:47

Whereas if you asked me if

29:50

I went into the hospital that I worked

29:52

in Anchorage, which direction would

29:54

I turn to go to the

29:57

physical therapy department that I worked

29:59

in thirty five years ago, I

30:01

literally could not tell you that it's

30:04

on a totally different plane of

30:07

memory than any other experience.

30:09

One of the things that's recently happened

30:11

because of my interaction with

30:13

some of the scientists and researchers

30:17

in near death experiences

30:19

and people who have spoken at

30:21

the conferences, there's a

30:23

great deal of study that's

30:25

been going into where

30:27

does the consciousness that happens

30:30

in a near death experience come from?

30:32

If the brain is not functional,

30:36

and if you accept the scientific

30:38

explanation that all consciousness

30:40

is produced by the brain, how

30:43

is that possible? In

30:45

thinking about that in depth, I realized

30:47

that when I became conscious

30:51

in the recovery room, my

30:53

memory of what had just taken place with my

30:55

near death experience was crystal clear,

30:58

was just absolutely right

31:00

there. Plus with that whole

31:03

bubble of love and

31:05

peace. My consciousness

31:08

of myself, my physical

31:10

body, and what had just taken

31:12

place was very muddled

31:14

because I was coming out of anesthesia. I

31:17

was so muddled that I knew

31:19

I was in the hospital. I knew

31:22

that I was in a recovery room,

31:24

but I wasn't sure what had happened

31:27

to me that made me be in the hospital

31:29

and in a recovery room. I wasn't

31:32

remembering that my back was being

31:34

operated on because I had a ruptured

31:36

disc and I had a big bloated

31:39

stomach with staples all down the

31:41

front of it, and another fascinating

31:43

thing. For a long time

31:45

after my near death experience, I

31:48

was trying to fit a square

31:50

peg into a round hole in terms

31:52

of trying to fit my experience into

31:56

classical traditional Christianity.

32:00

Time I was in church and there

32:02

was scripture relating to punishment

32:05

in hell or sin

32:08

and punishment and judgment, all

32:10

of those things, I

32:12

would have a sensation of grating

32:15

against my spirit of this

32:17

is not what I truly experienced.

32:20

It was really difficult. I knew

32:23

God was real, I knew Jesus

32:25

was real, but I also knew

32:28

that messages that were being

32:31

presented as representing

32:33

God and Jesus were

32:36

not what I had actually experienced

32:38

of being in that afterlife.

32:41

I had a very hard time with that, and

32:43

I began to turn to learning other

32:46

forms of spirituality and looking

32:48

at other faiths and

32:50

looking at what were the foundational

32:53

truths that were present in all

32:55

different areas and what things were

32:57

not the same. For a while, I

33:00

stepped away from the church completely, which

33:02

was really difficult for my family and

33:05

for my marital relationship. Statistics

33:09

show the seventy some percent of

33:11

people who are married when they have a near death

33:14

experience end up in divorce,

33:16

and that's because you truly

33:19

are a different person than

33:21

the person that they chose to marry. Are

33:24

there elements of who you are

33:27

that remain that are

33:29

solid enough to keep a relationship

33:31

together or not depends on the individual,

33:34

I think, and I've been very

33:37

fortunate that although my husband

33:39

and I did separate for a period of time,

33:42

we worked and came back together,

33:44

and he came to know that

33:47

the changes in me were not making

33:49

me totally different person than who I was.

33:52

They were just and a growth

33:54

that I hadn't had prior to that point.

33:57

But in my spirituality, I also

34:00

learned about meditation. That

34:02

was a tremendous help to me too,

34:05

because I had so many questions

34:07

and felt like I didn't have places to turn

34:10

for elaboration on what

34:12

I had experienced other than reading

34:15

other books from other people. One

34:17

of the questions that kept haunting

34:20

me a lot was who

34:22

was my guide in meditation.

34:24

Over time, I came to be able

34:27

to get deep enough to be able to ask

34:30

to reconnect with the guide

34:32

who had been in my near death experience.

34:35

So eventually he actually

34:38

showed himself to me again as

34:40

he had looked in my near death experience,

34:43

and said, I'm your spiritual guide.

34:46

That's why I was in your near death experience

34:48

with you. He said, my name is

34:51

Carlos. I lived

34:53

a lifetime on earth with you thousands

34:57

of years ago in South America.

35:00

All was downloaded to me in this

35:02

deep meditation. It

35:05

was a few weeks

35:07

after that meditation that

35:09

I attended a consciousness conference

35:12

here in Raleigh, North Carolina, and

35:14

in between sessions there

35:17

was a lady talking and a

35:19

couple of people standing around her, and I

35:21

was drawn to her for some reason. She

35:24

was talking about how she was a healing

35:26

touch teacher and practitioner

35:29

and that she had just returned from Peru,

35:31

where she had been teaching, and

35:33

in the course of her conversation, she

35:36

said that one day she had been planning

35:38

to go to this sacred site and

35:40

the transportation fell through,

35:43

but she said, this young man who

35:45

was from Argentina and attending the conference,

35:48

said he knew where it was and he

35:50

wouldn't mind taking her. She

35:52

agreed, and they went to the sacred

35:54

site, and she said she had been so impressed by

35:56

this young man all through the conference

35:59

because he just had such a

36:01

strong spiritual presence about

36:03

him. And when they got to

36:05

this sacred site, she said

36:07

that she had a

36:09

vision of having lived

36:12

in the time of that site and

36:14

him also being there, and

36:17

she said, I was so impressed that I've

36:19

decided to have him come to my holistic

36:22

center here in Raleigh and give

36:24

him more advanced training. So

36:26

she said, next week, Carlos

36:28

is going to be coming. So

36:32

at this point I burst into tears

36:34

when she's looking at who's this strange lady

36:38

here, bursting into

36:40

tears. I told her my near

36:42

death story. I told her my meditation story,

36:45

and she says, oh, I've got a picture of him

36:47

on my phone. Can I show it to you? And

36:50

so she brought up the picture of him

36:52

on the phone, and it was my

36:55

spiritual guy. Other than being

36:57

in modern clothes, it was.

37:00

And then she showed

37:02

me the picture of the site that they

37:04

had visited, and it was exactly

37:07

like where I first came out of the

37:10

cave like tunnel area and my near death

37:12

experience, and it was this dry, rocky

37:15

ground and stuff. It was exactly

37:18

like that. So I told her that,

37:20

you know, when we had come up over this incline

37:23

area, that it was suddenly totally different

37:26

and it was lush and green. And she

37:28

says, that's exactly what it's like at

37:30

Caral Supe as the name of

37:32

the site, she said,

37:34

because it's down in an

37:36

area where it's very dry, but then up

37:39

over as you come up and out of it. She

37:41

said, it's very close to the ocean,

37:44

and the breezes and the moisture

37:46

that comes off the ocean make it all very

37:48

green and lush. So I got to

37:50

meet him when he came to Raleigh

37:53

and he had this immense connection

37:55

as I did to him, and he

37:57

said, I don't understand this or

38:00

have any memory of your near death

38:02

experience or anything, but he said, I just

38:05

I know what you're telling me is true. And

38:07

I actually asked him when were you born

38:10

and how old are you now? And

38:12

I figured out that at the

38:14

time that I had my near

38:16

death experience, he was literally

38:19

two years old, and so he was

38:21

already born here on earth. And I thought,

38:24

how can they possibly be? How

38:26

can he be my spiritual

38:28

guide and have been

38:30

two years old when I'm thinking all

38:32

this linear time thing? And

38:35

then I was directed to the

38:37

books by Michael Newton.

38:39

I want to break here as we go

38:41

on to having a pretty good conversation

38:43

about the concept of time and

38:46

also who we really

38:48

are as human beings. And I

38:50

love that Karen brought up meditation. I

38:53

once heard this quote by oh show you've

38:56

heard don't just sit there, do something?

38:59

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39:02

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of the Afterlife.

40:04

Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

40:06

Sanders Champlain and Karen blance

40:09

Thomas was talking about how

40:11

she could have met her guide in this

40:13

life, yet she knew him on the other

40:15

side. So we get into a little conversation

40:18

about the nature of reality, and.

40:20

I was directed to the books

40:22

by Michael Newton, Have you heard

40:24

of them?

40:25

Had Journey of Soul, Journey of.

40:26

Souls, and Destiny of Souls,

40:28

And so I began reading those

40:31

books, and sure enough I

40:33

found him a section and I think it

40:35

was his second book, where he talked

40:37

about the fact that when

40:40

people choose to incarnate on Earth,

40:42

they don't take their entire

40:45

soul spiritual essence with

40:47

them, a portion of it remains on

40:50

the other side, and that it's

40:52

also possible for a person to

40:55

have their spiritual guide actually

40:57

incarnate in the same

41:00

lifespan timeframe of

41:02

the person that they're a spiritual

41:04

guide to, because the portion of their

41:06

spirit that's still on the other side

41:09

can fully be their spiritual guide,

41:12

not restricted by time in any way,

41:15

and yet they can incarnate as

41:17

a totally new person and

41:20

come in contact with the person

41:23

that they're a spiritual guide for. Then

41:25

he gave some examples of people

41:28

where they had taken place, and he

41:30

said, sometimes they only meet one

41:32

another in passing. Sometimes they

41:34

have an important thing that they

41:36

serve for that person, and

41:39

in other times they're very intimately

41:41

involved in the person's life. And

41:44

so that really answered that unsolvable

41:46

muddle in my brain as to how

41:49

that could possibly be.

41:50

There's been some great stories of reincarnation

41:52

and people remembering kids, especially

41:55

remembering their last lives. Doctor

41:57

Ian Stevenson, who's to cease now,

41:59

but he's spent his whole life studying thousands

42:02

of children and past life memories and

42:05

how accurate they were. But then you think,

42:07

well, if they come back, how

42:09

can medium still tune into their essence.

42:12

It's all very confusing, but what you're saying

42:15

makes sense, because yeah,

42:17

there can be different parts of us. And I also know

42:20

of a study that there were two

42:22

different daughters on two continents,

42:24

and the mother was deceased, and at the very

42:27

same time, these daughters went to

42:29

see a medium and the mother was

42:31

talking to both of them at the same

42:33

time through the mediums. So

42:35

our consciousness can split

42:38

and be in different places at once. So yeah,

42:40

why can't one be unearth but still

42:42

part of it be in the afterlife.

42:45

I've had past life regression done

42:47

because of learning about Michael Newton. I've

42:49

had between lives regression

42:52

done. And after having

42:54

that done in my meditation, then

42:57

my spiritual guide came back to me again

43:00

and he said my spiritual name,

43:02

and this came through in the between life's

43:04

regression. Also, my spiritual

43:06

name is not Carlos. I

43:09

gave you the name Carlos, and he told

43:11

me what the spiritual name was, which was

43:13

Tomorrow. But I gave you

43:15

the name Carlos. I gave

43:18

you the visual presentation of myself

43:20

both in your near death experience and in meditation,

43:23

so that you would be triggered

43:26

to recognize my reself

43:29

now, so that you would be able

43:31

to know that it's one and the same. So

43:34

that was fascinating as well.

43:37

There's so much a bigger picture, and

43:39

as human beings, I can't help but

43:41

think it's just easy for us to buy into

43:43

us having this experience it, to

43:45

know it's real, But meanwhile there's just this

43:48

so much bigger thing. Anita Morjani, I don't

43:50

know if you've read her book Dying to

43:52

Be Me, just one of those miraculous

43:55

recoveries of being totally

43:57

near death body filled with cancer

44:00

to just the opposite, healthy

44:02

and alive. But in her near death experience,

44:05

she said, it was like our

44:07

life now, as if we're in a super

44:09

huge room and

44:12

there's just a flashlight being directed

44:14

on one little spot, so what we

44:16

can see it through that the light of the flashlight,

44:19

Okay, that's our life, but not knowing

44:22

it's like this giant warehouse

44:24

with so much more. It's just not

44:26

illuminated. So I can't help

44:28

but think even having concepts of our consciousness

44:31

being in two different locations at once, who

44:33

we are right now in this physical body, can't

44:36

get it all, just like I'm sure you can't

44:38

put into words exactly every

44:41

experience you had in your near

44:43

death experience.

44:44

It's very true. I really

44:46

think that during

44:49

that gap in my memory

44:51

of the near death experience. I think that

44:53

at that point I probably was

44:56

actually able to really meet

44:58

and somewhat melt with

45:00

God the Light, and it

45:03

was such an immense, emotional,

45:05

total experience. Because

45:08

I've met someone since through

45:10

IENs who did have that experience,

45:14

that I may even have chosen.

45:16

Please don't let me remember this

45:19

this much. If the amount that I can remember

45:21

is going to be very difficult for

45:23

me to go back into my mundane,

45:26

everyday Earth life. But if

45:28

I remember this immensity

45:30

on top of it, I just don't know if

45:32

my little careen mind is going

45:35

to be able to handle living day

45:37

today with that. I

45:40

don't know for sure that that has

45:42

happened. I think that was what happened

45:44

in that gap, But that's just an educated

45:46

guess on my part.

45:47

I think it's a good one. I've had lots

45:50

of guests and talk to people that have

45:52

experienced really immense grief coming

45:55

back in their body, not only feeling

45:57

the physicality and the pain and the restriction

46:00

and of having a body, but to

46:02

have experienced complete unconditional

46:05

love something they've ever felt before,

46:07

and then be thrown back into planet

46:10

Earth, which is not that and

46:13

that feeling of really

46:15

missing it, that feeling of grief, and it takes

46:17

time, some people a lot

46:19

of time. But I think most people have had

46:21

near death experiences actually end

46:24

up turning their lives over to wanting

46:26

to serve, wanting to make a difference, being

46:28

the best person they can be. How

46:30

is your fear of dying these days? Do you

46:32

have any fear of death?

46:34

No, not whatsoever. The

46:37

only thing that I would say, being

46:39

absolutely truthful, is the

46:42

lead up to death, all of

46:44

that sort of thing that may go with certain

46:46

types of death prior

46:49

to the actual death that

46:51

I will admit I would just assume not have

46:54

to go through and have

46:56

somewhat of a fear of, but death itself

46:58

not at all, because I know what

47:01

a release and what a joy

47:03

that is actually going to be, not

47:05

necessarily for the people that you leave

47:08

behind. They're the ones who are sad and

47:10

in sorrow, but you're in more joy

47:13

that you can imagine. And now,

47:15

part of what had been difficult for me was

47:18

that I had been myself

47:21

a seven year old who lost my father.

47:24

And when my father died, we

47:26

were out in a boat together and he had a massive

47:29

heart attack and it was a very

47:31

traumatic thing. My

47:33

mother was there and my mother had sent me up

47:36

to change out of my clothes,

47:38

out of my bathing suit and back into clothes, and

47:41

I remember being in the backseat

47:43

of the car and just begging

47:46

God, please don't let my

47:49

father be dead, don't let him

47:51

die, and when

47:53

he died, being very angry

47:55

at God and feeling very unworthy.

47:59

What was wrong with me? Why wasn't

48:01

I good enough? So

48:03

all of that was in the background

48:05

before I had my near death experience,

48:08

and I had gone through a lot of years of

48:11

trying to be worthy of

48:13

God and trying to be good

48:15

enough, and of course being

48:18

human, always falling short and

48:20

always being disappointed. And

48:22

so the near death experience was such

48:25

an immense different concept

48:29

for me that I wasn't

48:31

this unworthy, sinful

48:34

mistake making, never get it right,

48:37

never possible to be good enough human.

48:40

I was this beloved, precious,

48:44

so loved child of God, as

48:46

was my father. So

48:49

it just really turned my world upside

48:51

down.

48:52

It's lovely your vision

48:54

of your dad and

48:56

family and knowing that they'll be right

48:58

there when that moment comes.

49:01

Yeah.

49:02

Wow, let me just say, we only

49:04

have a few minutes left. How do

49:07

you think you live your life differently

49:09

by having this experience.

49:12

Exactly what I was just saying, that

49:14

I know how very much

49:16

I loved and how precious I

49:19

am, and how important love

49:21

is in this world, and

49:23

how much people need it to

49:26

be expressed to them, and

49:29

how much help you can offer to someone

49:32

by being there and showing

49:34

them love. All of these things

49:38

have been very different

49:40

for me than what I had experienced

49:43

before. So I

49:45

am back involved with a very different

49:47

type of church. But within the

49:49

church, I sing in the choir,

49:52

I do readings, I take

49:54

communion to shut ins. I

49:57

am working on a program right now

50:00

with a couple of wonderful people

50:02

that are developing a program

50:04

of help with the after effects

50:06

for people who've had near death experiences,

50:09

to help them have a

50:11

form of lifeline to

50:13

integrate back into their lives with less

50:15

trauma and more support,

50:18

and helping them to find

50:20

out how they can be better at expressing

50:23

that love to all the people that are in

50:25

their world around them.

50:27

Oh how great. Before

50:29

we close up the episode, do you have any words

50:31

of wisdom or advice you want to give

50:34

us just for today, Something

50:36

to remember, something to keep our eye on, something

50:39

to inspire us.

50:41

I would say, think of the ways

50:44

that you can help yourself be

50:46

more of an example of love

50:49

to the people in the world around

50:51

you, not necessarily just

50:53

your immediate family, but anyone

50:56

that you might come in contact with. Sciously

51:00

looking for ways that

51:02

you can express kindness

51:05

and that you can express love, because

51:08

it may be something

51:10

that they haven't gotten anywhere else,

51:12

and it may help them to open up to

51:15

the love that's there within themselves.

51:18

Karen, thank you for being our guest here.

51:19

Today, Oh here, very welcome,

51:22

and for.

51:23

You, our fabulous listener. Thank

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you for taking the time to listen. Boy,

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I tell you, living as a human being

51:30

is awful sometimes, isn't it? Painful?

51:33

Tough, fearful, all those

51:35

things? Just imagine that invisible

51:37

support that's around you and

51:40

that you are loved and share that

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52:04

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