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Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For

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over twenty five years, I've been

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on a journey to prove the existence

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of life after death. On each

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episode, we'll discuss the reasons

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we now know that our loved

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ones have survived physical debt, and

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so will we. Welcome

1:01

to Shades of the Afterlife. Day

1:03

sixty two, August twenty

1:05

first, two thousand and eleven.

1:08

The usual ache in my stomach comes

1:10

and goes again. The sadness is

1:12

brief, but is a regular morning

1:15

visitor. So many things I wanted

1:17

to do with my sons. I know they

1:19

are still with me and they see me and

1:21

they share in my joys, but it still

1:23

hurts. Today's journey

1:26

to the Upper Realm. I went into

1:28

the meadow to the well and dropped

1:30

some sand into the well. I turned

1:32

and walked with black panther up

1:34

the path to the cliff, then onto

1:36

the cloud to the upper Realm and into

1:39

the garden clearing. The boys

1:41

were standing off to the right. I

1:43

started crying with emotion. The

1:45

boys came to me and put their arms

1:47

around me, Kyle on the left,

1:50

Shan on the right. We walked

1:52

arms around each other to the table.

1:55

Kyle scooted in first, then me, then

1:57

Sean. They started eating leeche nuts,

2:00

peeling them, holding them up, and then popping

2:02

them into their mouths. I told them

2:04

I miss you so much. I wish you were

2:06

with me, or that I could stay here with you.

2:09

You will be with us, mom, and you know

2:12

that we are always with you. I

2:14

cried, and they both said it's okay,

2:16

Mom. They held me, Kyle

2:18

stroking my hair and face, saying it's

2:21

okay, Mom. I love you. I

2:23

love you so much. I said,

2:26

you guys are always together, right. I

2:28

want to know that you're always together taking

2:31

care of each other. Yes, mom,

2:33

we are always together. Me and Kyle

2:35

are meant to be together all of the time,

2:37

so you don't ever have to worry about us.

2:40

But we worry about you. I

2:42

know, honey, But I'm getting stronger

2:44

every day. We know, mom,

2:48

My guide. Michael came over and said

2:50

it's time to go. I kissed

2:52

Kyle, holding his face in my hands.

2:55

He smiled at me. I love you,

2:57

mom. I love you too.

2:59

Baby.

3:00

Sean scooted out then hugged me

3:02

tightly. We're going to stay here for a

3:04

little while, mom. As I walked away

3:06

from the table, the boys were sitting there

3:08

enjoying their fruit. Michael put

3:10

his arm around me. As I cried, The

3:13

boys called out, don't cry, mom,

3:15

it's okay. I called back, Okay,

3:18

honey, I know, I'm ok I

3:21

love you. Michael helped me on

3:23

to a cloud and held my hand. He

3:25

said, they will always be here

3:28

for you. Those words are

3:30

from Maria pay, a mom who

3:32

endured unimaginable pain that

3:34

no person should ever go through. On

3:37

June twenty first, twenty eleven,

3:39

Maria's ex husband gave

3:42

her young teen sons sleeping

3:44

pills. He killed them, and

3:46

then he shot himself for

3:49

anyone dealing with severe grief and

3:51

not sure that you have the strength to make

3:54

it through, Maria's words today

3:56

will surely give you some strength and power.

3:59

On this episode, Maria

4:01

will share her journey, her evidence

4:03

that her boys have survived physical death,

4:06

words on forgiveness, soul growth,

4:09

and ways to keep on going. Maria

4:11

journaled her experience these

4:13

daily meditations. She used

4:16

the signs she's received as

4:18

well as experiences with mediums

4:20

in her book, Journey to the Upper

4:22

Realm How I Survived

4:24

the deaths of my sons and

4:27

learned to communicate with them on the other

4:29

side. You can read the book

4:31

for free at Sean

4:34

and Kyle imaginefund

4:37

dot com. Sean is spelled Sea

4:40

n Sean and Kyle imaginefund

4:44

dot com. I'd like to share now

4:47

with you the conversation I

4:49

just had with Maria yesterday.

4:52

My journey It Lily begins in

4:55

twenty eleven. At the time,

4:57

I had divorced from my then

5:00

husband and he was

5:02

the father of my two children, Sean

5:05

and Kyle, at the time that they

5:07

were fifteen and thirteen years old,

5:10

and we had a shared custody

5:13

and basically the boys split their time

5:15

between us. It was on June

5:18

twenty first, twenty eleven,

5:20

that my ex husband,

5:23

their father took their

5:25

lives, both of them, and

5:27

then took his own. And

5:29

I discovered this on the morning of June

5:32

twenty second, and that was really

5:34

when I guess I started my journey, or

5:37

the world kind of cracked open for me.

5:40

Did you hear it on the radio or the news that something

5:42

had happened in the town that they were saying.

5:45

I was actually getting ready for work

5:47

at my home. They had obviously been staying

5:49

with their father, who lived about five miles

5:51

away. I was just getting ready

5:53

to leave the house, and I just caught something on the

5:55

news that caught my attention, which

5:58

was just a picture of the neighborhood

6:01

with some police tape up and

6:04

the reporters saying that there has been a

6:06

murder suicide. So

6:09

I just stopped me in my tracks, and I

6:12

don't know, I guess somehow

6:14

spirit knows there's something happening.

6:17

So I started making phone calls, calling

6:20

both of my sons, my ex

6:22

husband's phone, and of course nobody answering.

6:24

So I just got in my car and

6:27

drove straight there and arrived.

6:30

They had the police tape up and

6:32

I just said, please, please tell me it's not my

6:35

son's That's what I said. And they

6:37

asked me my name and my son's names,

6:40

and they said there's

6:42

been some deaths, and that's when I just

6:45

collapsed to the ground. It

6:47

was a strange need to feel

6:49

earth at that moment. And

6:52

that was really the things,

6:55

obviously on the material world that occurred

6:58

that propelled me of the

7:00

journey that I went on and

7:02

I'm still on.

7:04

We are on these journeys and awful

7:07

to say that sometimes our darkest

7:09

moments help us to believe in

7:11

a bigger picture. At the time,

7:13

did you believe in the afterlife for your spiritual

7:16

at all?

7:17

I can't say that I was. I

7:20

was very much enmeshed in

7:23

the material world, focusing

7:25

on achievement, accomplishment,

7:28

success, the same thing for my

7:30

kids. All I was thinking about was working.

7:33

At the time. I was working for the County

7:35

of San Diego. I was a trained

7:37

attorney, so everything was

7:40

logical and rational for me, and

7:42

so I don't want to say that I didn't believe

7:45

in the afterlife, but I didn't have a focus

7:47

there. That was not where my attention

7:49

was, So it really didn't

7:52

know where to go. After this event

7:54

occurred, I was just numb

7:58

and shocked and also just didn't

8:00

know how to solve this problem

8:02

that had occurred. So that's

8:05

when I had to really

8:07

just open myself up and

8:10

start trusting the intuition

8:13

and the spirit and the soul within

8:15

to lead me in a direction

8:17

where I could continue.

8:21

There's nothing worse than grief. And I

8:23

heard you say it's like love inside

8:25

out, just.

8:26

Ringing the love cloth dry

8:29

over and over again. The more we

8:31

love, the more painful it is.

8:33

So from the bottom of all of our hearts,

8:35

we send our love to you. I

8:38

know time has passed, but I

8:40

also know how grief works, and

8:42

it's a mess that can get triggered and

8:44

all those things.

8:45

Sandra, I really look at it differently

8:48

now. Grief to me is such a gift

8:50

because it really is a

8:52

reflection of the love

8:55

that we have for our children

8:57

and for others. And so when I

8:59

feel like coming on, which is not that

9:02

often anymore, even though I

9:04

guess I carry it around with me and

9:06

sometimes it will bubble to the surface

9:09

or leak or something

9:11

will trigger it. But I look

9:13

at it as a reminder to

9:15

me of the love that I

9:17

share with my sons that I shared with them.

9:19

I continue to share with them and will

9:22

continue until I

9:24

can reunite with them again. I tell

9:26

people, when the grief comes, really

9:29

try to embrace it, really let

9:31

it come in, because that is just

9:33

love in another form.

9:35

Yeah, it is. I said this

9:37

at the very beginning. But Sean and Kyle

9:39

imagine fund dot com. You're so generous

9:42

that people can click on the PDF and read your

9:44

book. There's so much to you and

9:46

your story and the boys that I really encourage

9:49

people to take Maria up on

9:51

that offer.

9:52

And it's the boys were the ones that really

9:54

prompted me, pushed me to

9:56

write the book, and so

9:59

it's out there for anybody

10:01

that wants to read it that it

10:03

can help you. You don't have to pay

10:05

for it on the website. You can just download it if you

10:07

like. But it's certainly a gift that

10:10

I am bringing or like

10:12

to give to others and help them along

10:15

on their journey.

10:16

Thank you for that. Where did you begin

10:18

on the spiritual journey? Did you find

10:21

someone? Did you know about meditation?

10:24

Someone help you along on the journey

10:27

to believing? Yes?

10:28

And I still have very strong memories

10:31

of this I remember probably

10:34

two or three weeks after my sons had

10:36

passed, we had had the memorial service.

10:39

I'm just sitting at my desk at home,

10:41

in my house and just

10:44

at a loss as to what now,

10:46

well, what do I do now? And as

10:48

I was sitting there, I just had this thought

10:51

pop into my head and it was call

10:54

Marsie. And I

10:57

remembered that one of my friends, Shannon,

11:00

and her sister was Marcie.

11:02

And I actually never met Marcy

11:04

before I knew of her, and

11:06

so I contacted Shannon, I said,

11:09

I need to talk to your sister, and

11:11

come to find out that Marcy

11:14

was a shaman, and so I

11:16

ended up coordinating with her and

11:19

spent about a week with her at

11:21

her home. She was so generous and she didn't

11:23

tell me later she checked in with her guides

11:26

to make sure that this was supposed to happen.

11:29

And I spent a week with her what

11:31

I call spiritual boot camp,

11:33

and she taught me how to meditate,

11:36

how to journey, do a

11:38

shamanic journey to meet my

11:40

sons so I could actually

11:43

talk to them and connect with them again.

11:46

Something like divine guidance leading

11:48

me to work with Marcy and

11:51

It helped me to just

11:53

develop this aspect of myself, that the

11:55

intuitive aspect that all of us

11:57

have.

11:57

It.

11:57

It's just a matter of opening yourself up

12:00

up and suspending disbelief.

12:02

I guess for a bit and just go with it,

12:04

even if you think that

12:06

it might not be real. I

12:09

certainly was very skeptical as well

12:12

about these things, and it took me a

12:14

lot to really get to the point

12:16

of being able to go

12:19

even beyond believing that there's

12:22

something much more than what's on the physical

12:24

side of our experience.

12:26

So through the journey and you've been able to connect

12:29

with the boys.

12:30

Yes, Marcy started me on something

12:33

very simple, and she

12:35

said, just go sit outside

12:37

wherever it is, sit outside, close

12:39

your eyes, and just focus

12:41

on listening.

12:43

It's time for our first break. But I promise

12:46

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12:48

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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

14:07

I'm Sandra Champlain here with

14:10

Maria Pey, whose boys were

14:12

tragically taken from her. I

14:14

asked her about the advice she got from

14:17

Marcie, a shaman, and if

14:19

she's been able to journey and reconnect

14:21

with her sons.

14:23

Yes, Marcie started me on something

14:25

very simple, and she said, just

14:28

go sit outside wherever

14:30

it is, sit outside, close your eyes

14:32

and just focus on listening, listening

14:35

to whatever's out there. It could be a bird

14:38

or a dog in the distance, or traffic,

14:41

whatever it is. Just sit there and focus

14:43

on that and it was amazing

14:45

because I think what that did is it

14:48

gives your thinking brain

14:51

something to do and then

14:53

allows the rest of your being to receive.

14:56

And that's when I first started even

14:58

feeling my boys, sensing them and

15:01

seeing colors. And

15:03

it was just a very simple meditation that

15:06

anybody can do, even just start off

15:08

for five minutes at the very least,

15:10

it will help you have a little

15:12

bit of peace and serenity.

15:15

Did you visualize that you would

15:17

meet with them at a certain location or

15:20

anything like that.

15:21

Yes. Once I started learning how to do the

15:23

Shermanic journeys with Marci, she

15:26

first helped me visualize

15:28

going to animal realm

15:31

and then very realm, these different realms

15:33

that exist where we can meet

15:35

our spirit animal in the animal

15:38

realm, and it was just progression onto

15:40

developing this upper

15:43

realm where a safe place

15:45

that I could envision, imagine,

15:48

if you will, a place where I could

15:52

feel comfortable meeting with the boys,

15:55

and it was sometimes

15:57

more real than what

15:59

we experience here in the physical world. I

16:02

even have Marcie comment at one point she

16:04

said, I just need you to promise that you're

16:06

going to come back, because

16:08

I don't want to have to go back and

16:10

get get you. That's how

16:12

real it was to meet with

16:14

them.

16:15

Yeah, people take for granted what's possible.

16:18

And I know, even through some lucid

16:20

dreaming and other experiences I've

16:22

had, you can't tell me they weren't real.

16:25

And there's been some real, verifiable information

16:28

that people have gotten that there's no way

16:30

that they could know through those moments.

16:33

So you went on that

16:35

journey and now you're sharing about it,

16:37

and I know you're sharing the book. Also, when

16:40

we hear other people's stories, Maria,

16:42

it's easier to say, Okay, if

16:44

that's possible for them, maybe

16:46

I can do that too, and start on that absolutely.

16:50

And again I think we as

16:52

individuals have our own journey,

16:54

our own experience, and so just

16:57

being open to anything that

16:59

might work for you. So this is something that

17:02

works well for me, and I

17:04

know there's other people that have shared

17:06

their stories with me about how

17:08

they've communicated through astral

17:11

travel or some other

17:13

form of communication, and

17:15

so what worked for me might

17:17

not necessarily work for everybody, but it's certainly

17:20

worth a try. And just again just

17:22

staying open to any possible

17:24

ways to communicate, whether

17:27

it be in dream meditations,

17:29

automatic writing. There's just so many

17:32

different ways that spirits communicate

17:35

with us.

17:36

Could you tell us a little bit about Sean and Kyle

17:39

and if they have communicated

17:41

with you, what they're up to these days,

17:43

because I'm completely believe

17:46

they can keep one foot in our

17:48

world keeping an eye on us, but there's work

17:50

to be done and there's lives to be had, and.

17:52

The idea I don't and

17:55

honestly, I don't communicate with them on

17:57

a regular basis anymore. I just

18:00

have a sense that they're

18:02

progressing in their own journeys and their own

18:04

work that they're doing. I know Sean

18:07

is working within the realm

18:09

of music. He always loved

18:12

music. He was a guitar

18:14

player. And I've heard

18:16

little snippets from other side

18:19

gicks or mediums and little things

18:21

about maybe what they're doing. I remember one

18:23

person told me that, oh, he's a sound

18:26

engineer right now for John Lennon,

18:29

And there was no way she could have known that

18:31

John Lennon was his idol, his

18:33

favorite artist, and that he was so much

18:35

into the Beatles. So I know that he's

18:37

doing something in music.

18:40

And then Kyle was my little sports

18:42

nut, and he loved football,

18:44

he loved science. I

18:47

just get the sense that he's doing something with

18:49

regard to light, and

18:51

I'm not really sure exactly

18:54

what it is, probably too advanced

18:57

for me to understand at

18:59

this point, but yeah, I

19:01

get the sense that they definitely keeping

19:03

busy.

19:05

I get what you say about not constantly

19:08

in touch. My dad passed in

19:10

twenty ten, and it was out of the

19:12

grief that I felt and the research that I did

19:14

that I ended up coming forward with

19:17

what I knew about the afterlife and grief,

19:19

and my book came out and so

19:21

many people think, oh, you must be in touch with your dad

19:24

all the time. No, I

19:26

really do believe, because I've gotten the validation

19:29

for mediums and things that he's by my

19:31

side and he's helping get the good word out

19:33

that we go on. But

19:36

I think our lives really

19:38

are to be lived, and I know

19:40

he's still alive. I do, and

19:42

every so often the memory will come in.

19:44

I'll be like I Hey Dad, or I'll

19:47

be in the quiet zone between sleep

19:49

and wake and either see him or

19:51

feel a memory, say Dad, But it's

19:53

okay to live our lives,

19:55

and I think our loved ones want us to.

19:58

Yes, that's so true, and that's what I

20:00

was going to say, Sandra, is that I At one

20:02

point, when my shamanic

20:04

journeys started becoming

20:06

less frequent, I had asked the boys,

20:09

why am I not seeing you as

20:11

much or being with you as much? And they said,

20:13

Mom, you have life to live, you

20:16

have your human experience still

20:19

to go through, and we're always going

20:21

to be around. And I noticed that they do

20:23

pop in at those moments when either

20:25

you really need them or there's something that

20:28

just a little reminder that we're around. But

20:31

for the most part, they want us

20:33

to be living our lives. We have so much

20:35

more that we've got on this plane

20:38

to do to learn, and

20:40

so the fact that we don't have

20:42

a daily discussion or

20:44

even a weekly discussion, that doesn't

20:46

mean that they're not around. It just means

20:49

that they want us to

20:52

focus on living our lives here and

20:54

they'll connect with us when we need them

20:56

or they need us.

20:58

Absolutely they will. The

21:00

way I found you is actually

21:02

seeing pictures of your boys for a

21:05

number of years. Two years

21:07

ago we produced a movie called Ranaldi

21:10

Instrumental Transcommunication to the Other

21:12

Side about the work of Sonia and Aaldi

21:15

who takes pictures and captures

21:18

things like steam and different

21:21

energy even audio

21:23

and chopped up sounds and voices

21:26

of loved ones come through. And now pictures

21:28

and three D pictures and in color pictures

21:31

come out of some of her work. And

21:33

I've seen Sean and Kyle so

21:35

many times. And then

21:38

on one of her emagazines

21:40

that she sends out, there was your name. And

21:42

so I don't know if this was just

21:45

me, my own soul, or your

21:47

boys saying interview Mom,

21:49

Sandra, I don't know, but I just

21:52

really felt certain that I wanted to connect

21:54

with you and hear your story.

21:56

Could you tell me a little bit about your interaction

21:59

with Sonya and some of the pictures.

22:02

Yes, Oh my god, Sonya is

22:04

such an amazing person. So

22:07

I first met Sonya probably would have been

22:09

like two thousand and twelve,

22:12

thirteen, something like that. It's been a

22:14

while, and she was coming to

22:17

a conference that Craig Hogan was

22:20

organizing with ROBERTA. Grimes, and

22:23

I didn't know anything about her work.

22:25

I knew she did something with the

22:27

instrumental transcommunication,

22:30

and Craig had said, Sonya is going to be

22:32

presenting, and she thought maybe it would

22:35

be helpful to

22:37

coordinate with some of the other presenters

22:39

on maybe what she can capture

22:42

or whatever she can get with her work.

22:45

And so he said, would you be willing to

22:47

give her a couple photos of

22:49

your sons? I said, yeah, sure,

22:51

no problem, here's the photos. So I

22:53

sent them to her and a short

22:56

time later she sent me back some

22:58

images look

23:00

like my sons. But she says, what

23:02

do you think of these images? And I,

23:04

at the time, not knowing anything about what she

23:06

did, I said, I'm not really sure what to

23:08

think of them, because, you know, I know people

23:10

use photoshop all the time, and there's

23:13

that skeptic in me, you know, the cynics

23:15

like, well, where did she get these or how did she manage

23:18

to manipulate these photographs? Well,

23:20

I come to find out she explained to me her

23:23

process. And I'm not sure if she's still

23:25

doing this that she could be. She likely

23:27

is, But what she did

23:30

is she would have the image of my son on

23:32

her computer, just

23:34

showing on the screen, and then she

23:36

would have a video recorder

23:38

that would just be focused on that

23:40

photograph on the computer, and

23:42

she would film this and

23:45

so it would be hundreds

23:47

and thousands of frames

23:49

still frames, you know how films

23:51

are made, And she and her

23:54

team would go through every

23:56

single frame to see

23:58

if there was a chain in the image,

24:01

and lo and behold, she came up with these two

24:03

images, which shows clearly

24:06

when she presented them that my sons

24:08

had progressed in life. They looked a little bit

24:10

more mature, they were older. The images

24:13

were different from the photograph.

24:17

When I saw that, I realized

24:19

that spirits, including my

24:21

sons, can manipulate

24:23

energy or this type of electronics

24:26

or whatever. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate

24:28

to this, where the lights will turn on or

24:30

the music will play a certain song,

24:33

because it's easier for them to

24:36

manipulate that type of energy

24:38

as opposed to hard matter. So

24:41

that was my initial work with Sonya,

24:43

and I think for her it was a breakthrough

24:46

as well, because she always talked about your

24:48

sons. They showed me kind of

24:50

like the Acoshak record, like the

24:52

progression of the souls, and

24:55

they're older now, they're growing on

24:57

the other side, just as they would have here.

25:00

That was my initial work with Sonya,

25:02

and I did a few other things here and there,

25:04

but I'm so pleased to see how

25:07

much she is doing for so many

25:09

people, and she's just an incredible

25:11

human being. Incredible soul.

25:14

I love her dearly. I

25:16

do.

25:16

I do.

25:17

If anyone wants to see some of her work,

25:19

you can actually see the film on Amazon

25:21

Prime it's called Renaldi, or

25:24

on the We Don't Die dot com website.

25:26

The store page on the front page two is

25:29

a link where you can watch it for

25:31

me personally. Maria,

25:34

I had seen your son's images

25:36

and some other images, and I start talking

25:38

to my dad. I said, Dad, if there's a way

25:40

you can get down to Brazil and do find

25:42

out whatever she's doing and get your face on there.

25:45

Sony didn't have any pictures of my father,

25:47

nor did I send her any nor

25:50

could you find any.

25:51

Ah.

25:51

Yes, it is time for the break, but we'll

25:54

be back and you'll hear more about Sonya

25:56

Ronaldi. Also some words from

25:58

Maria on forgiveness and then

26:00

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26:03

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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

27:47

I'm Sandra Champlain here with

27:49

Mom Maria pay her

27:51

boys now growing up in the afterlife.

27:54

I've seen many pictures of her sons

27:57

through the work of Sonya Andaldi. Clearly

28:00

they're growing older. I was

28:02

telling Maria about my dad

28:04

coming through Sonia's trans

28:07

images. Sony didn't have any pictures

28:09

of my father, nor did I send

28:11

her any, nor could you find

28:13

any. And then suddenly there started

28:15

to be some images that came through. And

28:18

at that time she had an Easter

28:20

egg mold, a clear Easter egg mold,

28:22

and she was using different

28:25

projectors and putting static

28:28

in the center and then just filming it and

28:31

lo and behold. Out of the static

28:33

of face forms is my dad's

28:35

face and then it disappears.

28:39

And she sent me that video because

28:41

she regularly send me some unknown people.

28:44

Oh Dad, we have a similar picture

28:47

of him like that back in his

28:49

Air Force days. He died when he was in the

28:51

seventies, when he was in about

28:53

twenty six, is what it looks like. The picture

28:55

that she has that came through. He's

28:57

looking off to the side with a

29:00

smile, a little different smile and picture

29:02

we have he's looking straight on and

29:04

that's one of those from believing to

29:07

knowing moments. And then a

29:09

couple of years ago, my former boyfriend

29:11

died tragically and

29:14

I did ask. I says, there any chance because

29:17

my heart was heavy, and I knew her, and

29:19

I thought, if I'm not imposing too much,

29:21

because she doesn't work with the public. Thousands

29:24

of people come to her for these

29:26

pictures, and she works with a

29:28

team, and if there's opportunities that

29:31

she can work with the public, she'll definitely

29:33

share that. But she did, and so

29:35

she had the picture of the sky mike and the

29:38

one picture turned into a

29:40

different kind of project where she

29:43

put vapor over the picture, and

29:45

the vapor over to the right of the picture

29:48

started forming images, and it started forming

29:50

three D images, and not only was

29:52

his face there, but from a smile, he

29:55

closed his mouth, his head moved.

29:57

She even has people now,

29:59

She's got a nice young lady who's come

30:01

through, who blinks her eyes in the videos.

30:04

Oh wow.

30:05

Yeah, she's come a long way and there's

30:08

more to come. So I keep giving myself goosebumps

30:10

here.

30:11

That's great.

30:12

You know.

30:12

I remember one time asking Sonya,

30:15

how did you get my sons to come to you? She

30:17

says, no, they choose to come. Yeah,

30:19

they choose to come.

30:21

Yeah, they're working on

30:23

the behalf of humanity, is what I think with

30:25

some other young people. Yeah,

30:28

tell us about the Sean and Kyle Imagine

30:31

fund.

30:33

Yeah, that's just a very

30:35

modest fund for promoting

30:38

what their ideals were and

30:40

are. And Sean was all about

30:43

peace and love and

30:45

if you could think of that sixties hippie,

30:48

old soul John Lennon type,

30:51

that's the human being that he was.

30:54

And sometimes I just try to find something

30:57

that I can contribute to that would be

30:59

in law with his ideals.

31:02

And then Kyle is all about honesty,

31:05

integrity and doing your best. And

31:07

so one of the latest

31:10

organizations that we've funded

31:13

is to promote peace, and

31:16

there's a little piece about it on the website.

31:18

But yeah, it's just something for

31:21

me. Some of my friends and colleagues have

31:23

donated, and so I just go

31:25

with what feels right in that

31:27

regard. Sean always reminded

31:29

me, even when I started

31:31

writing the book and trying to do something

31:33

to promote their ideals. I

31:36

would ask him how I can't change your world?

31:38

How am I supposed to do anything meaningful? And

31:40

he said, mom, one person at

31:42

a time, that's it. That's all

31:44

you need to do, and that's

31:46

all we can do, really, whether

31:49

it's helping with sharing my story

31:52

or helping a cause, it's just one

31:54

person at a time. And I try not to feel

31:56

too overwhelmed about trying to make

31:58

huge ages in the

32:01

world because I think the

32:03

world is by design a conflicted

32:05

place and that's what creates

32:08

growth for us as spirits and souls.

32:11

Could you talk a little bit about forgiveness.

32:14

I know people are listening to your story

32:17

and some people, especially

32:19

who have children who have passed, feel

32:23

a real sense of guilt. So

32:25

there might be forgiveness needed to another person

32:27

or to ourselves. How

32:30

do we live on because that guilt can

32:33

kill us? It really, it's

32:35

tough.

32:36

It is tough. Once

32:39

I had a reading from

32:41

a great medium in Orange County,

32:43

timber On, and I remember he

32:45

brought through And this was pretty early on after

32:48

I'd say one year after my sons had

32:50

died. And then my sons came through and they said,

32:52

Mom, I really want you to

32:54

focus on forgiving our father,

32:57

our dad. Talk about it, ask

33:00

right, talk about how

33:02

do you forgive that? And

33:06

it's a process. It's not something where

33:08

you can all of a sudden say okay, yeah,

33:10

I forgive you for what you've done.

33:12

It's more delving into yourself and

33:14

really understanding

33:17

your higher self and trying to

33:19

open up as much as possible so

33:21

that you eventually get to the understanding

33:24

that we don't die. No

33:27

one dies, and so what are

33:29

these things that happen in our life? Why do

33:31

people die? Why there are life

33:34

lessons? Whatever is

33:37

in your life is obviously going to

33:39

be different from my life, but my

33:42

son's death is something that I've

33:45

come to accept that this part of my journey

33:49

and the manner of their

33:51

transition is certainly one

33:53

of the harder ones I think that somebody

33:56

would have to experience. I know that other

33:58

people that have experience this

34:01

type of traumatic, tragic,

34:04

gut wrenching type of loss

34:06

of a loved one. But

34:09

that's all part of, I believe, part

34:11

of the whole, the plan, the blueprint,

34:14

and if forgiveness

34:17

is part of your journey, that is something

34:20

that you'll work on it and there's no timeframe.

34:22

We know that you do that a little bit

34:24

that you can for yourself,

34:27

because we all know forgiveness is about taking

34:29

care of ourselves. So

34:32

in the grief part, you know the feeling, oh,

34:34

I should have been there, or I should

34:36

have known, or I should have done something to

34:39

me. Everything that happens

34:43

in our world in the physical plane,

34:46

it happens exactly the

34:48

way it's supposed to happen. And

34:50

the reason that I believe that the

34:52

greatest evidence to me is that

34:55

it has happened. It took me a

34:57

long time. Believe me, I didn't get to that point

35:00

quickly. It's been a process and I still have

35:02

that process that I'm going through.

35:05

But all I can say is just keep going. Your

35:07

loved ones want you to

35:09

keep going. You would want

35:12

them to keep going if the roles

35:14

were reversed. So every

35:16

day that we're here getting up

35:18

in the morning, doing what we need to do, living

35:21

life, even hopefully

35:24

thriving for whatever

35:26

time you've got left, that is

35:28

all a testament again to

35:31

the love and that we have with our

35:33

family and our children, people

35:36

that have passed on. I think it's

35:38

something that's incredibly

35:40

beautiful. It truly is a gift,

35:43

and we're not here forever.

35:45

We know that ultimately we're

35:47

going to one step closer

35:50

right to being with those loved

35:52

ones. But in the meantime, live

35:55

it up enjoy life. That's

35:57

what they want for us to experience

35:59

as much which as we possibly can, and

36:02

knowing that they continue to experience with

36:05

us as well they're around.

36:07

I agree people have asked

36:09

the whole guild question. Our younger

36:12

selves did the best we could at

36:14

every given moment, and we just have to

36:16

trust that the more we think

36:18

a thought, the more we can create a new

36:21

neural pathway and have a habit of thinking

36:23

that thought. And it doesn't serve

36:25

us and it really is tough though.

36:27

When we're grieving. I want

36:29

to just encourage people. If you're interested,

36:32

you want a free copy of my book. Chapter

36:34

ten is on how to Survive Grief,

36:36

and you can have a free copy just

36:38

that we don'tdie dot com. If

36:41

you put in your name and your email address, it says

36:43

you get the first few chapters of my book free.

36:45

And the secret is it's the entire book.

36:47

But chapter ten is how to survive

36:50

grief and with that there's

36:52

changes in our mind,

36:54

our memory, our biology, and

36:57

I go into some explanation of why grief

37:00

does what it does and for each person

37:02

I know Maria knows this, it's

37:05

a different journey and we

37:07

can't block it because what we resist

37:10

persists, but we can't make it wrong.

37:12

But there are some tools, like

37:14

when we start thinking of repetitive thought, whether

37:16

it's grief or something, that we can short circuit

37:19

it and maybe put in a positive

37:21

thought or memory is something like that.

37:24

But there's tools there to help you. There

37:26

certainly are, And I'm

37:28

like, Maria, you can certainly buy a book on Amazon,

37:31

but take it for free because there's so much information

37:34

really that can make a difference. Maria.

37:37

I know those people that don't feel

37:39

that they can go on when they

37:41

have such strong grief,

37:44

and you've made it through what I think

37:46

most people would find unimaginable. What

37:49

can you say to them?

37:51

I'm going to go back, Sandra to a

37:54

couple of weeks after my sins had

37:56

passed, and I'm

37:58

sure a lot of people can relate to this.

38:01

I wanted to die, I wanted to be gone,

38:04

and I remember begging

38:07

one of my friends please just give me

38:10

some prescription or something, because

38:13

I don't want to live here without my sons.

38:16

So that is a very real emotion

38:20

and there's nothing wrong with it. But

38:22

for me, I really had an important

38:24

realization when I

38:26

was driving back home a

38:29

few weeks after my sons had passed, I went to

38:31

go see my therapist counselor. I

38:34

realized that she would not be able to help

38:36

me because she was

38:38

trained in psychoanalysis

38:40

or whatever. So she basically

38:43

sat and watched me cry for an

38:45

hour because it was anything she could

38:47

do. I was grief, extreme

38:50

grief, and I said, Okay, I'm

38:52

going to drive home now. And she was shocked

38:55

to hear that I had driven myself

38:57

to this counseling session. And

39:00

as I was driving home, I

39:03

realized that, I guess

39:05

people believe that you can't really function

39:07

after something like this, But I thought

39:10

to myself, yeah, I drove myself. I

39:12

can crash my car into a wall, or I

39:14

can drive off the corner, the bridge, or there

39:16

were all these ways that I could take myself

39:19

out of this physical reality.

39:22

And that's when I had the realization that

39:25

my spirit was a

39:27

heck of a lot stronger than my human being,

39:30

the human part of me. My spirit

39:33

was telling me, in no uncertain

39:35

terms, no way.

39:37

We'll be back in just a moment with more

39:39

powerful words from Maria

39:41

pay And I'll tell you a little

39:44

miracle that happened to me this week. I

39:46

take it as a sign it's pretty

39:48

cool. We'll be right back. You're

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40:51

Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

40:53

I'm Sandra Champlain, and we're here

40:55

with mom Maria pay, author

40:58

of the book To the

41:00

Upper Realm, How I survived

41:03

the deaths of my sons and learned

41:05

to communicate with them on the other side.

41:08

She was just telling us how she hit

41:11

rock bottom and grief, had gone

41:13

to a counselor which was no help,

41:16

and thought to herself, I could easily

41:18

drive off a cliff and put it into this,

41:21

but of course she didn't.

41:23

That's when they had the realization that my

41:25

spirit was a heck

41:27

of a lot stronger than my human being,

41:30

the human part of me. My spirit

41:33

was telling me in no uncertain

41:35

terms. No way, no way, You're

41:38

not going to do that, and there was no way

41:40

that that was going

41:43

to be what happened to me. So

41:46

when I think about grief and

41:49

that realization, again

41:51

it's what do you do to help yourself?

41:54

Yeah, I don't know. Gosh, everybody's

41:56

so different, okay, And I honor

41:58

and respect that. And so when

42:01

I've just told people try to embrace

42:03

the grief, they say, what are you talking about.

42:05

I can't do that. I don't know how to do that. For

42:08

me, it was just coming

42:10

to the realization that the grief,

42:13

the whole spectrum of our emotions,

42:15

is meant to be felt in our lifetime. That's

42:18

why there's all these things that occur in our life,

42:20

happiness, joy, elation,

42:23

but also grief and sadness and loss,

42:25

and that's part of the human experience. And

42:28

knowing that the

42:30

grief is my love

42:33

for my sons just helped

42:35

me get through. And I also remembered

42:38

that whenever I was feeling that really is the

42:40

time that they're closest to me is

42:42

during that grief. Again, I

42:44

don't know if that helps other

42:47

people, it certainly helped me,

42:50

And I think reaching out

42:52

to family and friends,

42:55

but also not being afraid of it.

42:58

Like you said, you know what we

43:00

resist persists, and

43:02

to allow yourself to grieve,

43:04

to really let those

43:06

emotions in. It's

43:09

amazingly cleansing to

43:11

do that, and it actually can

43:14

give you strength. You

43:16

have to let the emotions process through you, otherwise

43:18

they do get stuck. That's one of

43:20

the things that I learned from Marcy

43:24

is that emotions get stuck in your body

43:26

and they can manifest in different physical ways.

43:29

And so just to allow them to go through. Just

43:31

like we allow love and happiness,

43:33

all those goods things to process through and really

43:35

feel them, you can do the same

43:38

thing with grief and sadness. It's

43:40

not a bad thing. And

43:41

it certainly can be

43:43

painful, it certainly can hurt,

43:46

but again it's not a bad thing.

43:49

I agree. And also, you are on the journey

43:52

of looking for your boys through

43:54

meditation, the journeying son.

43:57

You're analdi and mediums and all

43:59

that, and to get those

44:01

words and those pictures and those images

44:04

even in your own mind, nobody

44:06

can take that away from you. Nobody can say,

44:09

Maria, that was just your imagination. That's

44:11

how they communicate to us.

44:13

Yeah, absolutely, I used

44:16

whatever resources were out there. I read many,

44:18

many books by ROBERTA, by Craig

44:20

Hogan, by other mediums,

44:23

other people. I've tried to absorb as

44:25

much as I could, and I also had some pretty

44:27

amazing readings with

44:30

some of the mediums that are out there too.

44:32

All those things can help, and they certainly

44:35

did for me.

44:36

So go on your individual journey

44:38

and ask for help you can, and

44:41

research spirituality. What

44:43

can people find inside your

44:45

book? Because you know I'm going to share,

44:48

share, share, Maria.

44:51

I always tell people, if you're going

44:53

to read my book, and it's not a short book,

44:56

please read it all the way through because

44:58

it is my journey and there's so much

45:01

heartache and grief and pain,

45:04

and it's important to come out on the other side

45:06

where I came out, which is a

45:08

realization that everything

45:11

that I learned in my journey and to be able

45:13

to come out whole again. I always

45:15

think of my heart as being shattered

45:18

in a million pieces, but it's still together

45:20

and it's still beating, and that

45:23

in itself is a gift. Actually,

45:25

what it is is transcription of

45:28

my journals that I

45:31

made when I was in my

45:33

process. So after my son's

45:35

passed, there were a couple of things that I

45:37

started doing that I never used to do, which was

45:39

meditate and keep a journal.

45:42

And so this is my journal from

45:44

basically every day

45:46

of my experience for that first year

45:49

after they passed, and people

45:52

ask me, how did you do it? How do you get

45:54

through? It's all in there,

45:57

everything and just being

45:59

able to again stay open and

46:01

be amazed

46:04

at what your loved ones can

46:06

send to you, what they can share with

46:08

you, how they communicate. So

46:12

you'll find very personal journey

46:14

in there, different meditations,

46:17

different visits I had with them, because

46:20

after I had my shamanic journeys

46:22

to meet with them, I would then

46:25

write everything I could remember

46:27

that it had occurred. It's a very

46:29

personal experience and

46:31

I just hope it can help other people see that you

46:34

can do this and your

46:36

loved ones they're helping you

46:38

to do this.

46:40

Thank you for sharing that. And I know a number

46:42

of years have gone by and while

46:45

the stories may not be fresh on your mind,

46:48

they were fresh on your mind when you wrote them,

46:50

and that's what's within the book

46:52

Journey to the Upper Realm,

46:55

and so I encourage people to check

46:57

it out. You can go to Sean

47:00

Kyle imagine fund dot

47:02

com and Sean is spelled sea n.

47:05

It does help Maria to know

47:07

that someone's gone through this journey

47:10

and they've come out on the other side.

47:13

It's tough to talk about grief

47:15

in somebody's passing to someone who hasn't

47:17

been through it. So even

47:19

reading your words, it's

47:22

so clear you're there the pain

47:24

and like you said, read it to the end, come

47:27

out the other side and life. You continue

47:29

to learn and you continue to grow. Maria,

47:32

anything else you'd like to share while we're here

47:35

together.

47:36

I just want to say

47:38

that I am absolutely open to

47:40

anybody that would like to email or

47:42

talk to me. I just feel blessed,

47:45

believe it or not, that this journey that I've

47:47

had has been amazing.

47:50

There's so much joy in

47:52

my life now. People sometimes

47:55

find that hard to believe, but I

47:58

know that my sons are

48:01

in a place or a plane that where

48:03

they still thrive and grow,

48:06

and so honestly, sometimes

48:08

I'm glad that I have to worry about I'm here

48:10

on earthplane. But I

48:12

think that it's the experience

48:14

that we're having here is it's

48:17

truly it's amazing, and it's

48:20

a such a blessing. So

48:23

I just encourage people to

48:25

stay open to the possibilities

48:28

that are out there and the resources that are

48:30

out there for you.

48:32

Thank you, Maria. And as

48:34

a reminder, you can go to Sean

48:36

and Kyle imaginefund

48:40

dot com. You can see videos

48:42

of the boys and pictures. You

48:44

can read a copy of her book Journey

48:47

to the Upper Realm, and so much

48:49

more if you're interested more

48:51

in Sonia Rinaldi and her

48:54

pictures. Two things.

48:56

One, if you go to my website

48:59

we Don't Die dot and you click

49:01

on the store page, scroll

49:04

down a little bit. I did two

49:06

events online with Sonia. One

49:09

is dated December eighteenth

49:12

and the other one is dated August

49:14

thirteenth. The December eighteenth

49:17

one has pictures

49:19

of Sean and Kyle and

49:21

how they came through in Sonia's

49:24

trance images. The other,

49:26

August thirteenth, was some

49:28

of her new experiments that she has

49:31

done. Sonia travels from

49:33

Brazil a couple of times a year

49:35

and attends live events and

49:38

does a demonstration. I know in

49:41

April of twenty twenty four,

49:43

she'll be alongside Scott Milligan,

49:46

who you know from this show, and also

49:48

medium Dominic Bogue and her

49:50

future travels I always

49:53

post again at

49:55

that store page We Don't

49:57

Die dot Com. Many

49:59

people come to me, especially parents,

50:02

to see if Sonia can work with them to bring

50:04

through their special person.

50:07

Unfortunately, she does not work like

50:09

a medium and doesn't work one on

50:11

one with people. Dear Sonia has

50:13

never asked for a penny for

50:15

her work. So what some of us did

50:17

is we created a Patreon account

50:20

for Sonia so people who want to

50:22

give as little as five dollars

50:24

a month can get a copy of

50:26

every journal she's put together with all

50:29

of her research, and when

50:31

there is an experiment she wishes to

50:33

do, she'll choose from her Patreon

50:36

community. You can easily go to

50:38

Patreon dot com, which

50:40

is pa t r EO

50:43

N so instead of Patron, it's

50:45

patreon dot com. Click

50:48

on find a Creator that's the

50:50

search, and then just type in Sonia

50:52

Rinaldi. And of course, don't

50:54

forget we made that documentary film

50:57

about her. You can find it on Amazon

50:59

Prime. Just type in Rinaldi

51:02

Instrumental trans Communication

51:04

to the other Side. Or again, just

51:07

go to the We Don'tdie dot com page,

51:09

click on the store and you'll find it

51:11

there. Now, what was that good news?

51:13

I hinted about in the last

51:15

segment, well last

51:18

episode, if you'll remember, you

51:20

heard from mom Diane Calderon,

51:23

whose son Matthew is

51:25

now in the afterlife. Diane

51:27

didn't have too many bluebirds where she lived,

51:30

and after Matt's passing, she's

51:32

gotten a lot of bluebirds. Anyone

51:35

who knows me knows that I feed

51:37

the birds. Turned into a bit of a

51:39

crazy old bird lady. But in the four

51:42

years I've lived here, I haven't had

51:44

a single bluebird come

51:46

to my feeders. The day after

51:49

I aired Diane's episode,

51:51

for you, guess what happened, Around

51:54

a dozen bluebirds showed

51:56

up at my bird feeders. It was weird,

51:59

wild and wonderful. Could

52:01

it be just a random flock of

52:03

bluebirds just happened to come by on

52:05

this special day after four years of

52:07

not visiting. Certainly that could

52:10

be. But for me, I took

52:12

it as a sign from her son

52:14

Matthew, that said, Sandra,

52:17

thanks for interviewing my mom. In

52:20

fact, just when I started

52:22

to air this episode, I

52:25

looked out my window and on

52:27

the branch closest to

52:29

my bedroom window, there was

52:31

a bluebird just looking

52:33

at me. There certainly is

52:36

more to life than meets the eye, isn't

52:38

there and there's more to us than we

52:40

know. Remember your loved ones are around,

52:43

keep talking to them, include them in your life.

52:46

Check out Maria's book follow along

52:48

with some of the meditations you never

52:50

know what could happen. I'm Sandra

52:53

Champlain. Thank you so much

52:55

for listening to Shades of the

52:57

Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

52:59

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53:02

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53:10

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