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Hi.

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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over

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twenty five years, I've been on a journey

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to prove the existence of life after

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death. On each episode,

1:01

we'll discuss the reasons we now

1:03

know that our loved ones have survived

1:06

physical debt, and so will

1:08

we. Welcome to Shades

1:10

of the Afterlife. I was recently

1:13

on social media and one of my

1:15

classmates from high school mentioned

1:18

something about our fortieth

1:20

high school reunion and

1:22

it took me a second forty years

1:25

since I graduated high school. That

1:27

must make me fifty eight, and

1:30

it does. But inside

1:32

I'm still me. Very

1:35

hard to believe. I'm fifty eight years old,

1:37

and whatever age you are, you

1:40

probably feel the same way.

1:43

You're still you. I'm still

1:45

me. We look in the mirror, though

1:48

we may look a little different. In

1:50

fact, living in our bodies, there

1:52

may be some aches and pains and things have changed.

1:55

But we are still us,

1:58

aren't we. I found this

2:01

quote author unknown, but

2:04

I'd like to read it to you. I

2:06

asked an elderly woman once what

2:08

it was like to be old and

2:10

to know that the majority of

2:12

her life was behind her now.

2:15

She told me that she has been

2:18

the same age her entire

2:20

life. She said, the voice

2:22

inside of her head had

2:24

never aged. She has always

2:27

been the same girl, her

2:29

mother's daughter. She had always

2:31

wondered when she would grow up

2:34

and be an old woman.

2:36

She said.

2:36

She watched her body age and

2:38

her faculties dull, but the

2:40

person she is inside

2:43

never got tired. She

2:46

never aged, She never changed.

2:49

Remember, our spirits

2:51

are eternal, our souls

2:54

are forever. So the

2:56

next time you encounter an elderly person,

2:59

look at them and know that

3:01

they are still a child inside,

3:05

just as you are still a child. And

3:08

children will always need

3:10

love, attention, and

3:13

purpose. Don't you just love

3:15

that?

3:16

So?

3:16

I think this episode will be titled I'm

3:19

Still Me, because

3:22

when we migrate to the

3:24

other side, we simply open

3:26

our eyes and we're

3:29

still us. We just

3:31

happen to be being greeted by

3:33

our loved ones pets that have passed,

3:36

but we are still very much alive.

3:40

Think about when you woke up this morning, You're

3:42

still you.

3:43

Right.

3:44

Of course, You've got years of

3:46

a past that are behind you, but

3:49

they don't live in the present moment. You

3:51

live in the present moment two right

3:53

now listening to shades of the afterlife.

3:56

On our episode today, I

3:58

want to tell you different stories

4:00

that come from different people who

4:03

have died. I love telling

4:05

these kind of stories because throughout

4:07

the beginning of time there have

4:09

been different kinds of mediums

4:11

who have brought through loved ones.

4:14

There's been physical mediums, trance

4:17

mediums. What we see in

4:19

the world right now is a lot of evidential

4:21

mediums who will say, I've got

4:23

your mom here. She used to make

4:25

you raspberry pancakes every

4:27

breakfast and you will say yes, right,

4:30

So that's evidential mediums, trance

4:32

mediums. Well, you've heard mister

4:35

Eric, an old English voice

4:37

speaking through a young man named

4:40

Scott Milligan. You've heard him many times

4:42

on Shades of the Afterlife. But

4:45

in time, in past,

4:47

there were people that were trance

4:50

mediums, but they would actually channel

4:53

your loved ones. So what

4:55

this would look like is the

4:58

medium would be in front of you, eyes

5:00

would be closed. It may sound

5:02

like the medium's voice, but

5:05

the words coming through would be

5:07

from your loved one. This kind

5:09

of mediumship is very,

5:12

very very rare. In

5:14

fact, when you think of the movie Ghost

5:16

and you think of Whoopi Goldberg, she

5:19

was channeling Patrick Swayze to

5:22

Demi Moore, And that's kind

5:24

of what I'm talking about. Now. I

5:27

have the opportunity to study trance

5:29

mediumship at Arthur Finley College,

5:32

and the instructor did

5:34

a demonstration of

5:36

this, well we'll call it trance

5:38

channeling. She did it two times.

5:41

One the person in front of her was a man,

5:44

and the other the person in front of her was a

5:46

woman, and each time it

5:48

was one of their parents that spoke

5:51

through her directly to

5:53

the recipient with details

5:56

to prove that it was really them

5:59

words, letting the person know

6:01

that there's still very much with them

6:04

and of course there's always love

6:06

shared. And seeing this is

6:08

so wonderful. I can honestly

6:11

say I cried really hard

6:14

after it because imagine what

6:16

it would be like for your loved one to talk

6:18

to you again. Amazing.

6:21

So my hope for the future if you're

6:23

someone who is an evidential

6:26

medium right now is you learn

6:28

a little trance mediumship. We

6:30

have Scott Milligan's class online

6:33

almost every Monday. It changes

6:36

a little month to month, and

6:39

I definitely trust the tutors

6:41

at the Arthur Finley College in

6:44

the UK, but it's a beautiful

6:46

way to let the spirit world

6:48

work with us. No one

6:50

takes us over like you see in the movies.

6:53

Some of the stories I will share with you today

6:56

came through such trance

6:59

mediums letting their

7:01

loved one know, Hey, I'm

7:03

still me and I'm still

7:05

alive. I found a handful of

7:07

stories that just warmed my heart about

7:11

still being us in the afterlife,

7:13

but also what life is

7:15

like in the afterlife. The

7:17

third type of medium is a

7:19

physical medium, which is very

7:22

rare and currently oh

7:24

the physical mediums on planet Earth.

7:26

A lot of them are doing some weird things,

7:29

producing gemstones from

7:31

out of the darkness. While I don't go

7:33

for that. I have witnessed good physical

7:36

mediumship with a medium named David

7:38

Thompson and also Scott Milligan,

7:41

where loved one's voices seem to

7:43

come from out of the air and

7:45

talk to their loved one.

7:48

There was a gentleman who died many

7:50

years ago by the name of Leslie

7:52

Flint, and I'll be including

7:54

some of the stories that happened

7:56

through his mediumship. Also, Leslie

7:59

was a physical medium and he would

8:01

host small groups of people

8:04

or one on one with people back

8:06

in the day and they'd want to talk to their

8:08

loved one. Leslie

8:11

would have his mouth taped

8:13

shut. He was even tested. They'd

8:15

put color dye in his mouth, and

8:17

yet these voices would still come

8:20

from what seemed out

8:22

of nowhere. So far, he's

8:25

the only medium I know that

8:27

ever existed that was able

8:29

to do this. Some of the stories

8:31

will come from the

8:33

recordings of what people

8:36

witnessed with their loved ones. Because

8:39

the voice quality isn't great

8:42

and these tapes date way back.

8:44

I'll tell you the stories in my own voice.

8:47

I highly recommend that

8:50

you check out the website leslieflint

8:53

dot com and his book

8:56

Voices in the Dark. Before

8:58

I share the stories, I

9:01

want to express what

9:03

I've learned in the last twenty six years

9:05

about the actual dying process.

9:09

No matter how we get over there, we

9:11

are greeted by loved ones

9:13

and we will feel like I'm still

9:16

me. So that's all good. Before

9:18

that happens, though, ooh, how

9:20

do we get there? I think the

9:22

best way to go is when we're old

9:25

and gray after a long life

9:27

and we have a natural death. But

9:30

unfortunately, there are accidents.

9:32

Some people pass by illness, some

9:34

people take their own lives unfortunately,

9:37

and others take people's lives

9:40

through killings. It's

9:42

never easy to have someone pass

9:45

for those left behind, But

9:47

for us, we want to know is it

9:50

scary? Does it hurt? What does

9:52

it feel like? I want to rest

9:54

your mind that death itself

9:57

is painless. Many say

9:59

it's like getting very sleepy and then

10:01

just falling asleep. But those

10:03

of us who have seen our loved ones suffer.

10:06

Like my dad before his passing,

10:08

he had cancer and he was in

10:11

an incredible amount of pain. It

10:13

is said by our friends in spirit

10:15

and through longtime mediums that

10:18

our soul can leave the

10:20

body before the body passes,

10:24

and this has been documented in cases

10:26

of near death experiences, many

10:28

of which I've shared on Shades of the Afterlife,

10:31

where people's consciousness is out

10:33

of their body and they're able to

10:35

witness what's happening to

10:38

their body from the outside

10:40

or above. In many cases,

10:43

those who are suffering, their consciousness

10:45

leaves, and when we do get to the other

10:48

side, we may, of course remember

10:50

how we passed, but that pain,

10:52

that memory of any discomfort

10:55

before we left, that is gone.

10:58

There's no punishment, we've spoken

11:00

before, there's no judgment. It's

11:03

for us to do our own life

11:05

review. Death isn't the scary

11:07

part. Life is the scary part.

11:10

And of course not a single one of us

11:12

wishes to suffer or have our

11:14

loved one suffer. So I

11:17

am a strong proponent if

11:19

the end is getting near by sickness,

11:21

that we all turn to hospice, which

11:24

has the best pain

11:26

medication known to mankind.

11:29

So again, when we say we're afraid

11:31

of death, that may be afraid

11:33

of the pain. But I strongly

11:35

believe that our consciousness does

11:38

leave our body before the body dies.

11:40

Even in cases of dementia and Alzheimer's.

11:43

It's as if those folks have one foot

11:46

in our world and one foot

11:48

they're already seeing into the afterlife.

11:50

And let's not forget that we have a greeting

11:53

committee that when we're in that in

11:55

between place, still alive,

11:58

on the threshold of passing, loved

12:00

ones guides. Some

12:02

people see angels, we can

12:04

see into the afterlife. It's

12:07

all happening to comfortably

12:10

bring us across the veil. We'll

12:12

take our first break in a moment, but when

12:15

we come back, you'll hear about South

12:17

African lawyer Jasper Swain

12:20

and his conversations with

12:22

his deceased son Mike,

12:25

with and without the aid of a

12:28

medium. Conversations

12:30

Mike details his new world

12:33

and his new life. For instance,

12:35

Mike says, the actual act

12:37

of dying is as simple as

12:40

dozing off after lunch.

12:42

A drowsy feeling fills the whole

12:45

body with relaxing comfort.

12:47

We'll hear his story when we get

12:50

back. Are you ready to take the

12:52

ride into the I'm still

12:54

me stories about

12:57

the other side from people on

12:59

the other side. We'll be right

13:01

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14:07

Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

14:09

I'm Sandra Champlain. I'd

14:11

like to share with you some excerpts

14:14

from the book From My World

14:16

to Yours, which was first published

14:19

in nineteen seventy four by

14:21

South African lawyer Jasper Swain

14:24

after his eldest son, Mike, tragically

14:27

died in a car accident in

14:30

South Africa. Mike, who

14:32

was just eighteen years old at

14:34

the time, was accompanied by Heather,

14:37

an eleven year old daughter of one of his friends.

14:40

Shortly after the funeral, Jasper

14:42

went to see missus Nina Marrington,

14:45

who had offered him her services

14:47

to act as a medium in order

14:50

to establish contact with

14:52

Mike in the spirit world. After

14:55

Nina passed into trance, Jasper

14:58

was startled to hear her speaking

15:00

with Mike's voice, addressing

15:02

him as Shud a

15:05

name that only his dead son

15:07

had ever used. When asked

15:09

how the accident happened, Mike said

15:12

that he would place Medium Nina

15:14

in the driver's seat so that she

15:17

could describe exactly how things

15:19

had transpired the entrance.

15:21

Medium began by saying he

15:24

has placed me in a small green

15:26

mini car. It is a terribly

15:29

hot day and I'm driving along

15:31

a very crowded road. There

15:33

is a little girl beside me. Her name

15:35

is Heather. She is chatting to

15:37

me about her mom and dad, who are

15:39

in the car ahead of us. I

15:41

can see their car approximately

15:44

fifty yards away. It is gray

15:46

in color. It is noon, and

15:49

there is a mass of holiday traffic

15:52

passing us in both directions. Now,

15:55

I see a black car coming towards us.

15:57

As it approaches us, I see

16:00

this other car coming behind it.

16:02

I can see this other car clearly

16:05

because it is in the middle of the road trying

16:08

to pass the black car. Nina

16:10

paused for a moment and said, the

16:12

sun is glaring on the windscreen of

16:14

the black car and reflecting

16:17

back into my eyes. I can

16:19

see nothing but a bright silver radiance.

16:21

It is blinding to me. All

16:24

of a sudden, the radiance changes from

16:26

silver to gold. I am being lifted

16:28

up in the air out through the top

16:31

of the car. I grab little

16:33

Heather's hand. She too is

16:35

being lifted up out of the car.

16:38

We have been lifted thirty feet

16:40

above the Mini, and in one horrifying

16:43

second, I see the little Mini

16:46

and this large car collide

16:48

head on. The little Mini bounces

16:51

right off the highway, right over

16:53

onto the gravel verge. It

16:55

is finally brought to a halt and a cloud

16:58

of dust when it hits a giant

17:00

hill the large cars turning

17:02

in mid air, its nose

17:05

flips over until it is back to front.

17:08

Then it smashes down on the road on

17:10

its side. A storm of

17:12

metallic dust is now glinting

17:14

all over the road. The medium

17:17

Nina stopped, obviously

17:19

too agitated to continue.

17:21

What impressed her listeners was the fact

17:23

that Mike had never seen the other

17:25

vehicle until after the silver

17:28

light had changed to gold. He

17:30

and Heather had felt no sense of impact.

17:33

They had suffered no pain, just

17:35

a gentle ascent into the air. Nina

17:38

recovered herself enough to continue.

17:41

Heather and I are still holding hands.

17:44

We now descend beside the Mini.

17:47

We see two crumpled bodies lying

17:49

in it. We feel vaguely

17:51

sorry that this thing should have happened

17:53

to them, and we both fully understand

17:56

that we are now, so far as mortals

17:58

are concerned, dead. We

18:00

are both aware that a lot of people

18:02

have begun to gather around us. They

18:05

are dressed in glorious colors. We

18:07

even recognize some of the people.

18:10

They are the faces of friends and family

18:13

who passed beyond the earth

18:15

before us. Heather and

18:17

I are still standing hand in hand,

18:20

Now guided by the one

18:22

who first lifted us into the air,

18:25

the two of us sweep towards the skies.

18:28

We drift about the two round

18:30

hills known as the Breasts of

18:32

Sheba in heartfelt

18:34

joy. The three jasper, his

18:37

wife, Clarice, and his second son, Kevin

18:40

listen, transported by

18:42

the fact that the passing had involved

18:45

neither fear, shock nor suffering.

18:48

Mike now addressed himself to his brother.

18:50

Sometime after the crash, Kevin

18:53

had noticed that dust was gathering

18:55

on his bicycle, and he began to clean

18:58

it. In the process, he noticed that

19:00

the drive chain was dry. In too

19:02

much of a hurry to find the grease gun,

19:05

he rashly decided to take a chance

19:07

with the oil can. He messed

19:09

it up, however, and oil flowed

19:11

out of the bottom of the casing and made

19:13

a pool on the kitchen floor. Kevin

19:16

had mopped up the oil with one of Mike's

19:18

dusters, which he promptly washed

19:20

and iron before returning it to

19:22

the drawer. Through the entranced

19:25

medium Nina, Mike informed

19:27

him that he had watched the whole thing

19:30

him making a mess, and if

19:32

he had been there, he wouldn't have helped

19:34

him clean it. This left

19:36

Kevin devoid of speech, because

19:39

this episode had occurred long after

19:41

the funeral and no one knew about

19:43

it except himself. Mike

19:46

next turned to his mother. I'm so

19:48

glad you've begun to accept what has happened,

19:50

he told her. Never allow yourself

19:53

to mourn. Just send us your

19:55

love, send us your happiness. These

19:58

we can use in service of others.

20:00

The other morning, Mom, just after

20:02

sunrise, you left the bedroom and

20:05

went down to the garden in your dressing

20:07

gown, and you picked a single, perfect

20:09

white rose. I was with you then,

20:12

and I surrounded you with all of my love.

20:15

Mom. If you ever do get depressed

20:17

again, go out into the garden and pick

20:19

another flower. I shall be there

20:22

with you again and again. Jasper

20:25

and Kevin knew nothing of this, having

20:27

been asleep when Clarice had gone down

20:29

into the garden. But in the weeks

20:31

that followed, whenever Clarice went alone

20:34

to the garden, Jasper and Kevin

20:36

would notice that, no matter how somber

20:39

she was leaving the house, she

20:41

would come back later with her eyes sparkling

20:44

and her face transformed. Mike,

20:46

where are you now? His father?

20:49

Jasper asked him. The reply

20:51

came instantly. I am surrounded

20:54

by the love and peace of our father.

20:57

But where are you? What world are

20:59

you in? Can you tell me? I'm

21:02

in a world that looks pretty much

21:04

the same as your world, Dad, Only

21:06

there are different laws up here. When

21:09

I say laws, I don't mean the laws that

21:11

govern behavior of the people. I

21:14

mean the laws that govern thought.

21:17

Mike, tell me more about that world.

21:20

How do you get there? Where does it

21:22

exist? Dad? Everyone

21:25

comes here through the gates of death. You

21:28

have to rearrange your values to appreciate

21:31

its virtues. Though, while

21:33

you are still on earth, your thought,

21:35

your intentions, everything you

21:37

do gives your soul a certain

21:39

rate of vibration. For

21:42

argument's sake, let's suppose your

21:44

soul is vibrating in a fifty

21:46

megacycle band. When you

21:48

die and manifest here, you would

21:51

go straight to the part of our world,

21:53

which vibrates at fifty megacycles.

21:56

By the same token, if you're a slow

21:58

thinking sort of a blow o, you can

22:00

only vibrate to fifteen megacycles,

22:03

then you'll become part of this world in the

22:05

fifteen megacycle range. It

22:07

all depends on your rate of vibration.

22:11

Therefore, you yourself select

22:13

the kind of scenery that will await

22:15

you when you arrive here. The

22:18

worlds above us are even richer

22:20

in light and happiness. If

22:22

I go up there, and I can right

22:25

now, I find it too bright. The light

22:27

hurts my eyes, and the vibrations

22:30

are so refined that I can't

22:32

respond to them. So I just

22:34

reverse gear and return to this world,

22:36

which suits me just fine. Is

22:39

Dad? Jasper begins to ask

22:42

these worlds that you refer to, Mike,

22:44

not so much world's Dad, as

22:46

planes of existence. Though

22:49

we have sun and the skies

22:51

and acres of beautiful flowers here,

22:53

we don't have rain as you know it, Nor

22:56

is there any blight to destroy the beauty

22:59

of the trees. They look exactly

23:01

the same as they do on Earth,

23:04

with one big difference. However, here

23:07

they are all perfect. There

23:10

are no high winds to warp and twist

23:12

them. There are only gentle breezes.

23:15

It is always coolish warm, if

23:17

you know what I mean. My greatest

23:19

joy here is my sense of perfect

23:21

freedom. We can go wherever

23:24

we like, whenever we feel like

23:26

it. This world is infinite,

23:28

and though everyone you meet on this plane

23:31

is at the same stage of development

23:33

as yourself, he is still a rugged

23:36

individualist in his own right,

23:39

just as he was on Earth. Everyone

23:42

has his or her own way of looking

23:44

at things and his or her

23:46

own way of speaking their mind. When

23:49

you discuss anything here, you

23:51

always learn something new because

23:53

the person you are talking to has such an original

23:56

attitude. And as I

23:58

said, thought is all powerful

24:01

here. For example, if I want

24:03

to own a brand new Jaguar, all

24:05

I have to do is visualize the car

24:07

in my mind, and it is created

24:10

right there before my eyes out

24:13

of the thought energy of this world.

24:15

If we are far away from one another and

24:18

we want to make contact, telepathy

24:21

is the accepted thing here. I

24:24

merely have to think of the fellow I

24:26

want to speak to and bingo, he's

24:29

right there. We contact each other

24:31

as easily as you use the telephone,

24:34

except that we don't need to pick up a phone. If

24:37

someone wants to talk to you, you first

24:39

hear him in your mind. If

24:41

you want to go to him, you merely

24:43

exert your will, and in two

24:46

ticks you're right there. Takes

24:48

a bit of practice and getting used to, but

24:51

it beats TV by a mile. You

24:53

see how perfect everything is. This

24:56

world is the right one for me at

24:59

this stage of my development. But as

25:01

my vibrations become more refined,

25:04

I shall be able to visit the higher

25:06

planes with ease. And

25:08

when I want to study the law and learn how

25:10

it operates, we go to the

25:13

Hall of logic. There are many

25:15

halls of knowledge and wisdom. Here

25:17

we can travel from one end of

25:19

this realm to another as fast

25:22

as lightning. Our bodies never get

25:24

tired. Illness and sickness

25:26

don't exist here. This is a

25:28

world of perfection. All this

25:30

information took Jasper some

25:32

considerable time to digest, and

25:35

his next question to Mike was, Mike,

25:38

if you are safe in the infinite

25:40

domain of God? Where is hell?

25:43

This was met by a burst of hearty laughter.

25:46

G Dad answered Mike, Hell

25:49

only exists where you are

25:51

now. Those were

25:53

excerpts from the book From

25:55

My World to Yours. It's

25:58

time for our next break, and when we come

26:00

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26:02

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26:05

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27:00

Hi, this is ufologist Kevin Randall,

27:02

and you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast

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27:22

Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

27:24

I'm Sandra Champlain. I'd like

27:27

to now introduce you to the

27:29

work of medium Leslie Flint.

27:32

Mister Flint became a famous

27:34

British medium not because

27:36

he stood on a platform to give

27:38

messages from the deceased, but because

27:41

countless thousands of

27:43

spirit people spoke for themselves

27:46

out of the darkness. He was

27:48

called a direct voice medium.

27:51

These voices were independent of

27:53

mister Flint. He even spoke

27:55

with them himself, describing

27:57

the voices that were heard

27:59

above my head and slightly

28:02

to one side of me. By the time

28:04

his book Voices in the Dark

28:07

was first published in nineteen seventy one,

28:09

Flint had already been a medium for

28:12

over forty years, yet he continued

28:15

with his work for another twenty years.

28:17

His experience and knowledge of

28:20

what happens to us after death is

28:22

second to none. His mediumship

28:25

was tested by independent researchers

28:28

time and time again, and

28:30

still the voices came to speak

28:33

their messages to their loved ones

28:35

that we are alive, we are eternal

28:38

spirits living a physical life, and

28:40

that we do live on after death.

28:43

Although Leslie Flint passed in

28:45

nineteen ninety four at the age of

28:47

eighty three. Journalist Neville

28:50

Randall spent two years

28:53

sifting through the hundreds of

28:55

recordings made by George

28:57

Woods and Betty Green with

29:00

people who spoke through medium

29:02

Leslie Flint. Randall's book

29:04

Life After Death is a detailed

29:06

account of life beyond the grave in

29:09

the worlds of the people who live there.

29:11

Many say it is the most reassuring

29:14

and down to earth book about the

29:16

other side ever written. Here's

29:18

a few words from chapter four, titled

29:21

I must be dead? What is it like to

29:23

die? The prospect from this

29:26

side of the grave is not inviting.

29:28

If we are lucky, it's quick. For

29:30

most of us, it's something we prefer not

29:32

to think about. Could we have gotten

29:34

it wrong? The message from the other side

29:37

is rather different. Nothing much

29:39

to worry about, just a natural transition

29:42

from one existence to another. None

29:44

of the voices who came back through Leslie

29:47

Flint to describe what happened

29:49

remember being frightened or in any

29:51

pain. Most of them took quite

29:54

a while to realize they were not

29:56

still alive. The moment of death

29:58

for all of them was a dream

30:01

which changed into a new sense

30:03

of reality. Their main worry

30:05

is why the folks they left behind

30:08

were scurrying around in such a panic

30:10

and could not see that they were still

30:12

alive, happy and well. As

30:15

soon as a communicating spirit has

30:17

mastered the problem of turning

30:19

his thoughts into words through

30:22

Flint's ecdoplasmic voice box,

30:24

he usually starts talking with

30:26

all the eagerness of a traveler

30:29

calling at the end of a long journey

30:31

to share his impressions of his destination.

30:34

Betty Green takes the first opportunity

30:37

to steer them towards sharing

30:39

what interests us most with

30:41

her opening question, could you give

30:43

us your reaction on finding out

30:46

that you were dead? This was the question

30:48

she put to a voice who had introduced

30:50

himself on April eleventh,

30:53

nineteen fifty nine, as a

30:55

Sussex farmer named George

30:57

Hopkins. Here are his words.

31:00

Well, I just had a stroke or a seizure

31:02

or a heart attack, something of that

31:05

sort. As a matter of fact, I

31:07

was harvesting. I felt a bit peculiar,

31:10

thought it was the sun, and went down

31:12

in the hedge. I felt a bit

31:14

drowsy and must have dozed off.

31:17

But dear, oh, dear, I had such

31:19

shock I woke up as

31:21

I thought, the sun has gone down, and

31:24

there was me, or what appeared

31:26

to me me. I was puzzled. I

31:29

tried to shake myself to wake myself

31:31

up. I thought, well, this is

31:33

funny. I must be dreaming. I

31:35

couldn't make heads or tails of it.

31:38

It never struck me that I was

31:40

dead. This chapter on

31:42

George continues with him

31:45

trying to get people to realize that he was

31:47

still alive before he moves

31:49

on to the other side. Here's

31:52

a story about another George. Old

31:55

George Wilmot recalled his

31:57

astonishment when he passed at

31:59

being green by his old horse,

32:02

Old Jenny, he said, used to pull

32:04

my cart in the early years. I

32:06

was real upset when poor old Jenny collapsed

32:09

and died. She was as near to me as

32:11

any woman could be. In fact,

32:13

more so, I had great affection

32:16

for old Jenny. She knew everything

32:18

that I ever said to her, and she was

32:21

as cute as they come. The

32:23

first thing I remember when I woke

32:25

up over here was being in well,

32:28

I suppose you'd call it a field. I

32:30

seemed to be sitting or lying

32:32

under a tree. I remember waking

32:34

up. I could see this horse coming

32:37

towards me, and there was

32:39

my old Jenny. She looked younger,

32:41

of course, and she was so thrilled

32:43

and so happy. You could sense

32:45

and feel it. I can't say how.

32:48

This is something I can't explain, but

32:50

it was almost as if she was talking

32:53

to me. I couldn't hear any voice,

32:55

and you don't expect to hear a horse

32:58

speak, but somehow, men,

33:00

I suppose I could hear her. Now

33:03

I realize it was as if

33:05

she was speaking to me and welcoming me. She

33:08

came beside me and was licking my face.

33:11

Goodness me, I'll never forget

33:13

this as long as I live. I

33:15

was so thrilled and excited. And then

33:17

I heard a voice behind me. I

33:19

turned around and there was a fine looking

33:22

chap I should think he was about

33:24

six foot two, fair haired,

33:26

young and he says, I've

33:28

come to look after you, come

33:31

to look after me. I said, what are

33:33

you talking about? I was so taken

33:35

aback, what with Jenny and the

33:37

rest of it. Yes, I'm going

33:39

to look after you, he says, I've

33:41

been put in charge of you. What do you

33:43

mean in charge of me? I'm capable

33:46

of looking after myself. You

33:48

don't understand he said, you know

33:50

you are dead. In the rest of

33:52

the chapter, George continues

33:54

with Michael and the horse Jenny,

33:57

and of course Michael explains that all

34:00

of our animal companions

34:02

get to be with us in the spirit

34:05

world and they can talk

34:07

to us with their thoughts. In

34:09

chapter twelve, the voice comes

34:12

through of a London flower

34:14

cellar named Rose Hawkins.

34:16

She was asked questions about what

34:19

life is like on the other side

34:21

and if she could describe it. Rose

34:24

says, you've asked me to describe

34:27

our world in material language.

34:29

I don't know which way to start. I

34:31

suppose if you could think of all the

34:33

beautiful things in your world, without

34:36

all the things that aren't pleasant, you'd

34:39

have some vague idea of what it's like.

34:42

Beautiful natural surroundings, flowers,

34:45

birds, trees, lakes, The

34:48

sun is always shining. You

34:50

might think it gets a bit monotonous, but

34:52

it doesn't. She's asked, Is

34:55

it easier to grow flowers over there than

34:57

it is here? Well, you plant

34:59

them up, but we don't have seasons.

35:02

They don't need water. Everything

35:04

just grows naturally. Is

35:07

your world very much like this world, She's

35:09

asked, only more beautiful? Well,

35:11

I suppose yes, I would

35:14

compare it very much like a beautiful

35:16

English countryside. That's the nearest

35:19

I can explain it. Have you villages

35:21

and towns? She was asked, Well,

35:23

we haven't towns as you understand

35:26

them. There are places where I

35:28

suppose you'd call them towns in a sense,

35:30

where thousands of people congregate together,

35:33

but there's no buses or trains. Well,

35:35

how do you travel? We walk,

35:38

or if you've got any distance, you

35:41

just think of the place you want to be in, close

35:44

your eyes, and then in a split second

35:46

you're there. Do you live in a house?

35:49

Rose, Well, yes I do live in

35:51

a house, but I don't have to. But

35:53

I've never seen anyone who doesn't. Houses

35:56

are very real. We've got architects

35:59

and designers and so on. They create

36:01

and build, but it isn't hard labor

36:04

like it is on your side. Do

36:06

you use money or anything like that over

36:08

there? Money? She says, You

36:10

can't buy nothing here with money.

36:13

The only thing you can get here is

36:15

by character and the way you lived

36:17

your life, and the way you think

36:19

and act. But we're wondering

36:22

how do you get the architects

36:24

to do the work? Rose said,

36:27

Well, you don't pay him He does it because

36:29

he loves to do it. He loves to

36:31

design houses. He loves

36:33

to do that kind of work, the same

36:36

as the musician who loves to play the violin.

36:39

He's just happy to entertain as friends

36:41

and people, and they form orchestras

36:43

and choirs. They do everything

36:45

for love. Everything is

36:47

done for love. And anyone, for

36:50

instance, on your side, who never

36:52

had a chance in life, perhaps they

36:54

wanted to be a musician or an artist.

36:57

They can study over here, you see, and

37:00

be whoever they want to be. Do

37:02

you eat anything, she was asked.

37:05

We have fruit and nuts, she replied, and

37:07

we have all the things you can

37:09

imagine from your world. But I don't

37:11

eat meat or any flesh of any kind.

37:14

You know, what do you do with your flowers?

37:16

Rose? Do you use them to beautify

37:18

places? Well, of course you can

37:20

if you want to. You can cut the flowers

37:23

and you can use them in your home, But

37:25

very few people do that. After a time,

37:28

we usually only see people doing

37:30

that who haven't been here long. All

37:32

the flowers are natural, they have their

37:34

own life, and I don't think it's the

37:36

right thing to cut them all down. But

37:38

if you're sitting inside your house and you want

37:41

to see the flowers outside, you don't

37:43

necessarily have to go outside to see

37:45

them. You can just think about them,

37:47

and there they are you can see them. Rose.

37:50

Do you sleep, Oh, yes, you can sleep

37:52

if you feel so inclined. But it's not necessary

37:55

because you don't feel tired. How

37:58

do you measure space and time? Well,

38:00

I don't know. There isn't measurement

38:02

of time as I understand it. We are not

38:04

conscious of time. Mentally you

38:07

think, oh, well, it's afternoon, evening

38:09

or night. But things don't affect

38:11

us. Time is, after

38:13

all, only man made. Rose.

38:16

What is the sky like? Oh,

38:18

there are clouds in the sky from time to time.

38:21

It's a beautiful sky, nothing

38:23

you could ever dream of. It isn't

38:25

necessarily blue. It can be

38:28

with the green and red and all

38:30

kinds of magnificent colors. There

38:32

are colors over here that I've

38:35

never seen on earth. Rose

38:37

goes on to describe how people

38:40

dress, that there are lakes,

38:42

there are boats, what people

38:44

do for their pastime, playing

38:46

music, being together, going

38:49

to the halls of learning, and

38:51

much more. It is time for

38:53

our break. When we come back,

38:56

there'll be a bit more from the book Life

38:58

After Death by Neville Randall,

39:01

and you'll hear some words

39:04

from a person in the afterlife through

39:07

the direct voice mediumship of

39:09

Leslie Flint. So just remember

39:12

I'm still me and you're still

39:14

you when we cross over

39:17

into the afterlife. Nothing

39:20

to fear, It's all grand. We'll

39:22

be right back. You're listening to Shades

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40:45

back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

40:48

Sandra Champlain. I thought

40:50

it would be appropriate to play

40:52

some words spoken in one

40:54

of these sittings with Leslie Flint

40:57

so that you could actually hear the

40:59

voice of a spirit person. Imagine

41:02

a small group of people and they get to

41:04

talk to their deceased loved ones.

41:07

On this occasion, a woman by the name

41:09

of Jenny Wilson spoke with

41:11

the group. This recording

41:14

is just the tip of the iceberg. Go

41:16

to Leslie Flint dot

41:18

com where there are hundreds

41:20

of recordings. Here is Jenny Wilson,

41:23

who passed during childbirth,

41:25

talking about her experience and the

41:27

other side.

41:29

You uh spirits

41:33

true, Yes, that

41:37

you are still on the

41:41

earth.

41:43

I am a spirit

41:46

too, not on the

41:50

That's the only difference

41:53

they train you and me.

41:56

I am being here

41:59

a long time now. I

42:03

did not believe all

42:06

this when I was on

42:08

your side.

42:10

Now I know better. You

42:13

are spiritual is.

42:16

They called them and understate

42:20

you believe in communication.

42:24

That's why I'm here. Can

42:28

you give a Jenny said all about you. I

42:33

had my share of

42:36

travel. Now I

42:38

haven't got a care in

42:40

the world.

42:42

On the earth, Jenny, I

42:45

was brought up in

42:49

the country place

42:52

called small food, that

42:55

is right, small foot, we

42:58

called it.

42:59

I was one of a.

43:02

Family of eleven children,

43:05

and when we were quite small

43:07

children, we would have to be up

43:10

early in the morning and

43:13

go to work in the fields,

43:16

sometimes potato picking according

43:19

to the season, sometimes

43:21

stone picking, all sorts

43:23

of things to earn extra two coffers.

43:27

I married when I was

43:30

eighteen. My

43:33

husband worked on a farm.

43:37

Laborer, plowing,

43:40

hoing according to the

43:42

seasons. I

43:44

died in child's firths with

43:47

my first child. I

43:51

was out in the fields in

43:55

those days. We had to work

43:58

up to the very last. Now and

44:01

then you were lucky if you had a

44:03

doctor, usually a woman in

44:05

the religio or someone would help.

44:08

Both the baby

44:10

and me died in

44:12

a age. I have been

44:14

here many years now, Jady.

44:18

We went up together your baby.

44:20

Well, now did you bring your baby up in spirit?

44:22

Well? Yes, and I have

44:25

here now beside me my

44:27

daughter. And if you could see

44:30

us, we look like

44:32

each other. I don't

44:35

look any older, and

44:37

she has grown up to a

44:40

fine young woman.

44:41

Now my husband.

44:44

Married again, Yes,

44:46

and he is here, and

44:49

we are often together on

44:52

this side of life.

44:54

But we do not live together.

44:57

That we are together, you

44:59

understand, and I

45:01

find it very funny coming

45:04

to talk to you in this

45:07

way. I hope you

45:09

can hear what I say,

45:14

as you must be getting

45:17

on now for one hundred

45:20

years.

45:21

I suppose, Jenny, how do you bring

45:23

a baby up? And say? Well, like that different

45:26

from.

45:27

How do you do it?

45:32

Well?

45:34

Asa as I can tell you the

45:36

same as you would have done more

45:39

or less on earth, excepting

45:41

as sar as I can understand and my

45:44

own experience, you

45:47

don't have some sort of

45:50

material as you call.

45:51

It ways I

45:54

suppose to do.

45:56

Really, you have to realize that

45:59

it's the spirit with you out

46:01

bringing up and educating and

46:04

helping.

46:05

It's not the body. In the same way.

46:07

It looks much the same, and

46:10

it takes time. I suppose that

46:12

it would have done on Earth. One

46:15

is conscious, I suppose in a

46:17

way of time. In

46:20

my case is because I was

46:23

young and the child was

46:26

new, I was given the joy

46:29

of bringing the child up as if

46:31

it were almost the same.

46:33

As I pass.

46:35

Gradually watched he grow up and play

46:37

with other children of the same sort of age,

46:40

and gradually go to school and

46:43

learn various.

46:44

Things that were considered necessary.

46:47

You see and of.

46:49

Course I taught to little things, but

46:52

I realized that I had no education.

46:54

I couldn't read or write.

46:56

I'd never been to school in my life.

47:01

My daughter dances, and she

47:03

loves music, and she's a beautiful

47:06

dancer. Oh, she is really

47:08

beautiful. You should see her.

47:10

She's like what you call it a fairy

47:14

because over here, you see, they have great

47:16

processions and great and get togethers

47:19

or oh, I don't know what you call them

47:21

pageants or something like that, and

47:24

they have great sort of places where

47:26

you go and all sorts of beautiful

47:29

things happen, the music and

47:31

color and dancing, and

47:34

oh, it's very beautiful. And she plays

47:37

in sam Elisia ceremonies as

47:39

you call them, you see, and she is

47:42

really good.

47:43

You know.

47:43

I often wondered, you know, because I mean, I

47:46

knew I'd never have a chance to do anything

47:48

when I was on your side, because as

47:50

well, I've never been to what they call the theater

47:53

on your side. A

47:57

climatized as my beautiful

48:00

lady. I remember being under the age h

48:03

and I knew that I was

48:05

going to die. I don't know what I knew I

48:08

was. And some women were

48:10

two women actually friends of mine and one

48:12

and going running off to try and get out as

48:15

the one was there, and I

48:17

knew I was going to die. I knew,

48:19

I didn't know how I knew I knew I was It was

48:22

if this is I was twisted

48:24

and twisting away, and I could

48:26

hear the striend trying to help

48:29

the comfort, but court there's nothing

48:31

they could do after circumstances, and

48:33

I knew I was going to pass, as you call

48:36

it, And anyway, I remember

48:39

some of alution of myself and

48:41

didn't find it myself as funny, and

48:43

said, I don't know that I was standing

48:47

standing in the fields and I

48:51

left this baby in my arms, which

48:53

I had, I just didn't have to stand at a

48:55

two, and so I should be standing in the

48:58

middle of this field, and

49:00

all around me I could see my

49:03

art. It seemed a country, and

49:05

yet it was not the same countries

49:07

I've been used.

49:08

To, but different

49:11

or different.

49:13

There were trees, but I knew there weren't

49:15

real trees, and the country

49:17

side, though it wasn't real country side,

49:20

and I guess, sort of deep

49:23

down inside me felt lost, as

49:26

if I was in a dream. And I

49:28

had a feeling that I was in a kind of dream,

49:31

and that all these things

49:33

would disappear.

49:34

Then I realized that I.

49:36

Was in a strange sort of country, but

49:39

nothing I'd seen before, and yet it wasn't real.

49:42

And all of a sudden,

49:44

I sort of procession, whereas

49:46

thought I thought it was of people all

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dressed in beautiful garments, coming

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up a wise.

49:53

Sort of road.

49:55

I was told that I had arrived

49:58

and that all was well, there was

50:00

nothing to worry about anymore, that

50:03

this would be my home. I would

50:05

be looked after from the child, and

50:07

that this would be made up

50:09

to me from all the unhappiness I've

50:12

known, and that this would

50:14

be my future place in which

50:16

i'd gradually find a

50:19

new self.

50:20

That's the way they put it, a new self.

50:23

Just close your eyes and

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lose yourself, just

50:29

pre quiet and of peace, and

50:32

when you come around later,

50:34

we'll tell.

50:35

You more about everything. But

50:37

this is not the right way.

50:38

I would just know that you've come home and

50:41

you're safe, and so it's the baby

50:43

and data we'll tell you more about it.

50:46

Oh, it was wonderful, and that

50:48

this was my reception,

50:52

they called it, and it all was

50:54

well, that wasn't to be unhappy

50:57

anymore, and that my child,

50:59

and I had been given new life

51:02

in the realms of happiness,

51:04

as they called it. Right, So they

51:06

said these things obviously that I

51:09

had understand them, that I've learned to love

51:11

more since much more are

51:14

much more.

51:15

But you did ask me a lot how

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I came.

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That I can't say it more

51:21

now, and I can

51:23

come again and tell you how

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things have been.

51:26

Since started for my coming. That

51:29

I can't say that this

51:31

business is daying.

51:33

Well, that's nothing much to it,

51:36

really. I suppose it's natural.

51:39

We all fear it. Then on your.

51:41

Side that it's natural and

51:44

it's not a different.

51:46

Really in a way to being born.

51:48

Anyway, I'll come with I came

51:50

another time.

51:52

I must go by.

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That was Jenny Wilson through

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the direct voice mediumship of Leslie.

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I do need to tell you I edited

52:03

it because there were some long gaps

52:05

between words, just to make it a little

52:07

easier for you to hear. Check

52:10

out the book Voices in the

52:12

Dark by Leslie Flint, who

52:14

was sixty years a medium,

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and the website Leslieflint

52:20

dot com hundreds and

52:22

hundreds of recordings transcribed.

52:26

The folks there have done a lot of work

52:28

and if you feel so inclined, perhaps

52:30

leave a donation. As I often

52:33

say, there is more to life than

52:35

meets the eye, and there's more to you

52:37

than you know. Fear not, you

52:39

will always be you

52:43

Remember. Come visit me at We Don't Die

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52:50

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