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Creatures with Professor Dieter Hochuli (302)RPT

Sunday, 14th January 2024
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the great of is how he was sure was a size

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he was he sydney at it i also have was me

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process deaton ahead of his

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username is from the anglicised

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version it's hot july or few of the swiss version

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at school bully ago undersized

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is popular occupy still

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h o c h u l

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off your lawyer says recently straight as

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and the suisse's core who really

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really , whole orleans

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and you've ridden is wonderful extraordinary

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book as the so gorgeous a guide

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to the creatures in your neighborhood

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steer been sealed naturalist

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which i highly recommend as a way

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of finding the extraordinary in

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the ordinary or a bad youths are you just told

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me this we example example

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why birds in mexico city

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start taking cigarette butts

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into the nes why into

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that was confusing to start with of a something that people

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were observing and sign all this is terrible as birds

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a pilfering cigarette butts off the straighten

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it's getting stuck into the nests but as turned out

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that those cigarette butts in the nick attainments

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contained them is , a service

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to most birds it's helping ward off i'm an

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external parasites the act i parasites

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or on the outside of of birds that matson

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and tix either a pesticide that

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that nicotine is that those evolved for

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in the tobacco plant is now i'm i'm

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being put to work by those birds who it's actually making

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themselves healthy by trying to avoid having the parasites

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on the outside of i'm lydia destroyed so

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the earnest and his eggs

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in earnest said maybe and is

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of cells season or he classy

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budget twigs in the city so you'll see it was a digital

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earnest yep it's a stock standard kind of

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earnest with the twigs and of itself holding all together

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an arm and a thing out there at their bird that thrives

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in urban environments and essential it's just

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proven to be the one of those

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behaviors it's that spam proven to be

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successful as a south is be

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bird is courses and insects

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can hide under those scissors

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and have discovered that having

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cigarette butts in name latest

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releases and of nicotine in to what

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the air onto this is is to then kill

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the in six years is it just just

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just basically they rubbing against the nicotine

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that's in their arm of the mods and the tix

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can often communicate out of send

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a few diseases

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their way in terms of our blood borne diseases

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as a fading on the birds sites one of the wiser

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to avoid getting my sorts of diseases how

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did the instead of the booze with this

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as the george's may still a think ah

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cigarette butts do toxic waste of

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are you into my this or do they do a duet be i've

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accidentally it's and then discovered that

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after a while that is the head

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the cigarette butts they'd be few insists of in

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totally mates about us

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that's the the big question i mean one of the one of my

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, mean because there are some really fantastic

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examples of birds communicating

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and socially transferring information probably

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one of the best examples with go to some work

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that's sean sean i'm

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i'm sulphur crested cockatoos in in

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in in this i'm suburbs of sydney of talk

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to each other housewife and beans beans

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and been leads to the socially transmitting many

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information and showing each other how

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to i'm getting soggy beans nuts

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a very localized thing starts on the local populations

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that are doing it it's not happening all the way across

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the sydney it's just happening if the

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birds are actually sort of teaching each

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other how to do it and one bird

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learned this and then taught the other one

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a that's what it seems to be that the birds started

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learning lint men are watching a child the doing so

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the sexually transmitted part of it was i'm

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i'm i'm sitting and watching and looking at how

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experts can lift a m

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we are leaving that we used to collect fair rubbish okay

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now what we're talking about birds were getting out of order he will have

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to do this now this have hood the

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ibis referred to as ibis referred she

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can being sort of rather deprecating and

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people size any portable but in you'll find

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book a guide to the creatures

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in your neighborhood the open field

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naturals get a gotta get one now i'm

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you pointed out that there are different sorts of ibis yeah point

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outskirts i mean oh i'd love to take credit

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for being my phone book but i'm er i'm really

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lucky enough to avoid with a fantastic grupo

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i'm a couple that our colleges environmental

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philosophers and designers

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and will kind together to try and put it together

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as part of the open field naturalists projects

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i one of the things that come out in that book

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is with actually got caught a diverse number of voices

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are trying to speak to run

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and run through them and with a countries

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it is signed over they will get back into the store that the

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offices absolutely will when you get the chance to

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say the book you'll realize that the come as quite striking

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and so he said accused put that together she's

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a dissimilar from the university of technology sydney

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tom van doorn from sydney and is environmental

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a philosopher and feminism philosopher

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very i'm good at getting us to talk about

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the ethical dimensions of conservation

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and use britain some beautiful work on

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the crows that a i live on housing crisis

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a different it does have and then there's made

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as john martin has steered the whole

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hoyle if you want the force was says and john

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madden his i have a bird experts are many

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the stories on talking and with respect

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to birds hear things love lead directly

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through working with john we have some research that we

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collaborate on to look at some of those sorts of things and

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andrew barrels and other design of is really am

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little of the the electronic com elements

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that with gotten really got some fabulous

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new exciting things that will emerge from this all actually

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talk about how we can use new ways of

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communicating get communicating story this

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is probably humility as befits a real scientist

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and you are professor here diversity sydney you

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a part of the same the wrote this book summary

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curry service a martin's was

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one who said that that officers can be a stride

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is elizabeth is something in the tips

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it is like an iron the

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the money money say officers poking

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around optically after the wet anything

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on it's poking around him a hard though encounter

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something and what the answer is none of the this thing called

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a a viper tactile organ which means

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i can i bro tactile year

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and it just means i can actually since movement

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somewhere else in the ground and then start targeting

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the worms are they trying to wait so that got this

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enormous capacity to not i

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poke around and and fun things i

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mean i usually sense when something

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that they might be able to wait is nearby

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target

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and much like going get i said it through a lot more

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clever than we realize i think say i was

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reading years ago and i read books it's

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elephants when i step on the ground can be

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picked up sixty kilometers away

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and the elephant foot is not just

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this cylinder like a tree frogs are

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also so complicated materials with

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different viscosity and ability to

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pass you vibrations this and since

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another elephant sixty kilometers

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away sixty kilometers one

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of the things that as a biologists have had to take

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on board as animals done since the world the same

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way that waiters so me about that notion

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of an elephant sensing each other fifty kilometers

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away as amazing but there are a mosque

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that release a pheromone to try and attract

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them might the can bring which is tiny

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burial small amounts of this these molecules

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blameless can attract a mosque tense

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and kilometers away for this so sensitive

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to some listening so and it's a sign the got

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at not your real as a marker better at

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communicating in with sand but sounds

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that way cause he is i one of the great things

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about biology is whoop whoop whoop we need to

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actually not only look at

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the world through our eyes that look at it through the

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is noises oz

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and every sense of these other animals i don't want

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to recall a micro best to the is

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about sort of fall into two groups the betsy

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many , us a familiar with of the be a big fruit

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bats of centers that them that that them them acrobats

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democrats are those tiny little animals

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than the other that thing that when the best ways

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to think of them is that the german the fledermaus

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those other flying mouse this notion that the

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lot time little mice very delicate animals

7:40

animals ten fifteen twenty grams or

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my spend their nights flying

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around trying to find in six to

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eight of enlisting entry hall

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as know like and their this remarkable little group the communicate

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using these arm acoustic signals sometimes

7:54

as social call sometimes they're saving

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buzzes to try and work out where multiple

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base multiple use so nasa

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just checked were most likely so you send you a sound

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it , back at you and it helps you triangulate

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does it all the a million times smaller than regular

8:08

basis they should really be called dc pets

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like a pensive a size of a regular bad all

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think we lock her up on a reason biology and i think

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macaroni big and small it's law is a lot the sauces

8:17

of clothes you know lodge extra large

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and right okay fair enough to the structure

8:21

of the bookies what is a naturalist naturalist

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do and co a in canada creatures and stuff

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how to study them and then she the skill

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the skill of storytelling and writing

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and sketching about observations and then selecting the stories

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but you came up with a list of five

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things that you should do is

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i'll read out to you i wish i did

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you should slow down is that right it is looking

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at the wilder and he's a firstly slow down yeah

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slowdown was a big one because one of the things

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that we we we really often do and we enjoy

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night years we often try to get from ice of

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a and there's some real benefits and just going

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to y n staying there for awhile and letting letting

8:54

night to come to use i go like a lot

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of that comes from so from work on pollinators

8:59

where we we explicitly have to stop

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sit down and stare at flowers for awhile so

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the slowing down thing is really just taking the time to

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observe and taking what's happening around

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you because something that many

9:10

people are said to assess that ,

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he exegesis and watch and stare

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you'll start to see things that you just didn't say

9:16

that with they're all the time but they'll stop moving

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around when you sitting quietly added

9:21

, of animals when we have wandering through the

9:23

bush or probably try to avoid being noticed

9:25

by us with the owners i will reward

9:28

cross bane en el camino seven ninety kilometers

9:31

the get a different experience between tire

9:33

rubber and shoe leather you you

9:35

get to slide adds to the second thing is look

9:38

and it's sort of actively look

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like really start looking for things that you were in

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i'm not knowing where to look and what to look

9:44

for is one of the the big thing so

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i'm and if it wasn't opponent is again i'm and it's it's no

9:49

secret that the going to be attracted to flowers

9:51

but sometimes he'll say things living

9:53

under rocks a living under bits of debris or

9:55

watching what's happening with plants but just actually

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are spies active looking looking for small

10:01

movement and it's more than

10:03

just site on a night with a something they are not

10:05

but one of the big things is trying to understand what

10:07

they're doing is one of the great questions and in biology

10:09

isn't so much who's

10:11

living with either asking of trying to work at

10:13

why they're doing what they're doing city

10:15

got record opportunities

10:19

now to share our observation driving record

10:21

our we all walk around with a amazing

10:23

fines and pocket and that's meant the cameras,

10:26

the obvious one way if you you take the photo

10:28

you can that with people at and

10:30

all the video isaac wife actually getting the question,

10:33

is that why they're doing things? but recording,

10:35

the sands is another one that some great projects

10:37

that involve sending my frog

10:39

idea is classic wine by plus any fraud

10:41

calls into the drawing museum because

10:44

said i bet it's and frogs and that

10:46

to a lesser using acoustics, lot

10:48

of the time and i'm one of the things that happens is we

10:50

want to who's making that call but we can send

10:52

those coals into next

10:54

bus to have that that that passion for those and i'll

10:56

tell you who are you living with sight sometimes you might

10:59

say these frogs have , about recording

11:01

this is something some people as a journalist

11:03

sketches that doesn't really effective way

11:05

to do it too and it's a a almost

11:08

done compels you to take the time when you doing

11:10

that is different to test how the out your phone and yeah

11:12

i was really involved in the source one

11:15

is ask questions will stay

11:17

or is a sane physics is not the answer

11:19

the guess is a nobel prizes the question so

11:22

you so slow look

11:24

record and in a number for ask

11:26

questions year and one of the reasons

11:28

that there is that i'm in fact that the simple

11:30

problem for us as biologists as weight when

11:32

i was so little about so much as one

11:34

on one of the reasons it's one of the really great science

11:36

has to be a part of his that way forever

11:38

finding new things and the why the world's changing

11:41

is it was saying nice things happening all the

11:43

time so asking time about why

11:46

and animals living in one place where how

11:48

a plants managing to survive and assess and there

11:50

it was a t look at it on

11:52

a row of plants at the council part of was

11:54

some of the persisting one of some of them out

11:56

was some of them are being hammered by insect

11:58

attack wow this up i think

12:00

this is a real gateway to sort of getting in

12:03

tonight you're one of them is just realizing that what

12:06

lives in or around us is fantastic of what they're

12:08

doing is just extraordinary the more

12:10

we learn about them it's the more exotic get side

12:12

the asking questions is realizing that i'm there

12:14

are so many resources out there so asking

12:17

why the opposite doing what they're doing or why

12:19

the have a flaws hanging around some flowers

12:21

and know how the flowers minds that he

12:23

, start putting your online resources

12:25

of of books or movies look at ebook

12:28

if you are often find because the urban

12:30

sealed naturals to god to the creatures

12:32

in your neighborhood by you in a bunch of you might

12:35

genuine passion for nycha in the broader

12:37

community in the semi final and once

12:42

you get into it you can start find the answer so

12:44

as questions and asking the questions is one of the things

12:46

it as you mentioned in signs with on ask

12:48

a question answering guy gripe that's done

12:50

the census

12:53

on on on the vortex of asking

12:55

more more question is is asset you've got the

12:57

system which is share in

12:59

any books you talk about how to share and

13:01

write stories and share with your friends and

13:03

try and get together until the so the stories

13:05

in the act of said you get better is

13:08

one of affect the great things about sharing

13:10

stories as that as you don't

13:12

realize the people around you are just as interested

13:14

as he might they and of have lost count of a number

13:16

of thomas were authentic and i kid sporting

13:19

events insane unusual things happening

13:21

and then gonna explained what might be happening so

13:23

great example is certain times of the

13:27

join , interests catch huntsman and

13:29

like paralyzed them and drag them across the

13:31

the ground for them to lay their eggs and them

13:33

and people say them and wonder what's happening

13:35

in money is sitting man and game like

13:37

cricket at uva lot of time to do it you

13:40

talk about though the behaviors what power citizen

13:42

means a whole notion of of lying and

13:45

egg inside a lot animal that is paralyzed

13:47

so that you can take your or your your

13:49

space you're going humped the shit

13:51

the sharing part of an is just it's it's part

13:54

of building a sense of community to the

13:56

a lot of that i think emerged as some of the lockdown

13:58

things where we were really work and four it's a certain

14:00

areas and paypal may have rediscovered the

14:03

the local neighborhoods and even rediscover

14:05

the anonymous and those those everyday

14:07

night shift things and just talking about them seeing

14:09

an interesting but or you

14:12

, wondering why some of the buds correcting

14:14

my i'd be acting like jokes like noisy monitor

14:16

great example in the city and just talking about their

14:19

behaviors and have and influence potential

14:21

for other boats today implies that the i

14:23

mean local social media groups or another thing

14:25

where i've , count of the number of times

14:27

that people have sent stuff to us with i just saying something

14:29

and just for sharing that first little bit

14:32

of gateway information information

14:34

people have just got the deeper connection to the

14:36

living with and all of a sudden becomes you

14:38

know the airbrush turkey or i'm

14:40

sharing your observations this and formal platforms

14:43

the other thing about sharing is that they were from some

14:45

formal citizen science programs that

14:47

give you the ability to actually contribute

14:49

to our knowledge in a slightly tape hawaii we've

14:52

been fortunate and some programs

14:54

that were involved in luck i'm a big city buds

14:56

where we've been able to track the movements of

14:59

australia and brush turkey through the suburbs just

15:01

because we've got more sets of eyes

15:03

on the ground and we've been able to find

15:06

out things that we wouldn't have been able to find out otherwise

15:08

and it's changed the whole nature of the story

15:10

for these animals that come through just

15:12

people contributing their observations in this

15:14

audience in think the sharing can be sharing your own interest

15:17

as well but it's also i'm the

15:20

more we get with these kinds of observations

15:22

the better a science can buy so if recently published

15:24

papers that literally talk about how with

15:26

, benefits of citizen science so we have

15:28

found out stuff that we would not have that otherwise

15:31

and it's early testing thing to have

15:33

thing to of as you city since ninety five it

15:35

he started off on in six

15:37

plant in directions and

15:39

his nose phrase euros he the world is

15:42

green despite being

15:44

put away by millions of ravenous in six

15:46

be he's still trying to find better ways to he

15:48

these players and in his i used to

15:50

some bloke a stick caterpillars else

15:53

who was story between at the locust

15:55

in a grasshopper in the leagues or something like

15:57

this the just a very specific taught of grasshopper

16:00

i have is an amazing capacity the guy from

16:02

what's called a solitary form to gregarious

16:04

foreman and the those episodes is it is the sign

16:06

or to sign status as a mental as when when

16:09

is a lot of morale is your baby's something

16:11

happens good for through just

16:13

increased above subsided i'm in the size

16:15

of most in sixes to me or at

16:17

dawn

16:19

what happens when happens with the increase about

16:21

as all of sudden the tend towards towards towards

16:23

thirty times as many babies around

16:26

these are grasshoppers they are they the grass

16:28

up as much as has severe the hoppers or nymphs

16:30

that i have therefore wings there at the have to walk

16:32

seven clustered together because i hatched out of a group

16:35

of a , of hundred eggs that will

16:37

live together in the ground as whoever

16:39

is they survive this year the reasons are often

16:41

bisected good rainfall and

16:44

more food around it's food it's it's simple that

16:46

the volga ship is hi i'm into the quality

16:48

and the amount of food that surround that cause they're

16:50

old close together and clustering around

16:53

their food plants are my rub against

16:55

each other a lot and that's been found to be the trigger

16:57

spec leagues news researched and was

16:59

people with brushes and stuff like that

17:01

says we when they back like start hitting each

17:03

other painstaking work with little paint brushes

17:06

to basically we're rubbing the back legs of these

17:08

little grasshoppers the ones that had

17:10

their legs rub more developed gregarious

17:12

forms of a chinese they they say forbid they changed

17:14

their willingness to their same animal

17:17

but it changes color changes color

17:19

slightly bigger head compared to the arm the history

17:21

of yep side yep side of and that might

17:23

be related to the willingness to wait a whole range

17:26

of of different foods that are around so they'll times

17:28

they don't less and one of the best things will change

17:30

their behavior mrs with the hope of applying

17:33

behind it search of food kicks in so

17:35

i figure that when that than a little a space get these

17:37

animals don't have their wings that just hatched in the walking

17:39

around and then in their final stages of

17:41

adults when they got their wings that's when they

17:44

get their capacity to today the had

17:46

a massive migrations and really contributor

17:48

to salmon in some other parts of the world

17:51

way really can't afford those famines fogeys

17:53

how about a whole bunch of source bet

17:55

it's our the insects they try

17:57

to eat the plaza nutritionally

18:00

the are hard to do it builds they

18:02

also has to avoid getting eaten as a tool that's

18:04

caterpillars stacking the

18:06

shells of their own heads

18:08

as a defense mechanism yeah look like

18:10

or or or an hour to size

18:12

but losses as a caterpillars pretty crap

18:15

and provide , it

18:17

you know the food you don't look pretty i like

18:19

a lot of well some of them have actually caught beautiful

18:21

with some it's as if you gotta that part of the books

18:23

up your phone some bright thing so competitive

18:25

that night with caterpillar greed is a lot of

18:28

falling in love with chemicals i was a let's not

18:30

as is essentially a lot of things are trying

18:32

to use i productions a really big issue for

18:34

them so the caterpillars with that stuff they had

18:36

capsules or a local local

18:39

the mccambley skeleton mccambley essentially

18:41

when a malt when it said said skyn must

18:43

insects will a bad parts of the skin

18:46

but the heads very hard parts of that's left are

18:48

you with this is indeed some of the minerals back into your

18:50

body and sansa why why why some and cyber

18:52

these guys have learnt how to actually stuck there

18:54

old heads on top of the new head

18:57

as i markers when he when he said you're getting a brand

18:59

new hit that sounding i you consider a big ahead you

19:01

got from one sauce to the next on

19:03

the exoskeleton the seals on

19:05

the outside so you go to a resembles killed

19:07

my son from fragile for was and grow new

19:09

skills and yep yep so yep getting that

19:11

external armor and to make it bigger say can

19:13

get bigger and what they've done as i stuck both

19:16

had capsules one on one on top of each other so

19:18

the all you've got a record of your growth since

19:20

we on since head and what we've been able to

19:22

find is that they use them as a way

19:24

of trying to basically send off things that are

19:26

trying to eight them or parasatize some

19:28

sites behavioral a bit done some experiments

19:31

were removed had capsules someone kept

19:33

them on others in the ones that had they had capsules removed

19:36

capsules far more likely to be a son than the ones with

19:38

names or days

19:40

fuck i set off the oregon death when we were

19:42

going to do it sounds storage i was just a tough one because it

19:44

makes them number is the caption says

19:46

in the right was basically almost as long as the

19:48

body is it says this is t if you

19:50

can imagine if it was also want putting

19:52

about thirty baseball caps on it had only

19:55

been more do any better

19:57

and more fearsome

19:59

i ordered her to stick together in groups to me it

20:02

was a d more vulnerable say he's a whole

20:04

bunch of askew poor shortsighted bird

20:06

scamraiders was i do it is

20:08

easy more visible i think the evolution

20:10

of gregarious behavior is probably based on

20:12

individual success say you are probably

20:15

more likely to encourage predator com i saw

20:17

angie but it may also be more likely

20:19

to avoid predation events

20:21

if they take someone else i the some work

20:23

that's done we'll the effects

20:25

of group size on caterpillars and we just put out with

20:28

literally put a different size numbers of caterpillars

20:30

on plants and just looked at rights of predation

20:32

and yeah there are times where

20:34

the entire group get a son but this seems to

20:36

be from an individual's perspective you're

20:38

more likely to succeed at your part of

20:40

part large group compared to compared small

20:42

groups cussing a system as a selection pressure

20:45

minutes if you don't do it suggests a optimism

20:48

they were it is you're an animal your insects

20:51

and come along to apply it was just a lot of any

20:53

advice and you say he is that

20:55

the plans since out chemical signals

20:58

the a bullet it it it if anyone guys and grabbed

21:00

the eucalyptus and crunches in my hand

21:02

you're pretty quickly realize as well as hello are

21:04

pretty dramatic signal so if you're a caterpillar

21:07

that's chomping away on a

21:09

it'll it'll a for instance your relay

21:11

seem as well as hollow very very quickly

21:13

and we've been fortunate enough to be down in

21:15

the basement of our chemistry department and measure

21:17

the things that are being released and then we have

21:19

two thousand and put them out into

21:22

the sea of me found that they're actually and attract

21:24

and some predators that queuing

21:26

that queuing the volatile oil that their

21:28

plots realizing sign in an innocence it's a plant

21:30

cry for help or young yet the support they bring

21:33

in the i'm was in our opinion air support

21:35

at on knock off the caterpillars as a honey

21:37

bees a polarizing you say any

21:39

currency will they are all apis

21:41

episode something he's a the right nine the

21:44

your pain honey bees i personally to they're not

21:46

native to australia for the a bad or you

21:48

am i being too simplistic out

21:50

it's it's it's a tough one cause i'm in this is

21:52

absolutely no doubt that episode securities

21:54

linked to a hard worker of honey based

21:57

in australia though there are such an important colonizers

21:59

many crops and , actually a really

22:02

important pornographer lot of and nice if plants

22:04

as well with done some work that looks restored

22:06

remnants of urban bush land sound that the animal

22:08

for the doing the heavy lifting with respect

22:10

to pollen i see many of an as his plants

22:13

a generalist as it plans the honey base

22:15

i really important honey base

22:17

earnest money to this i good at finding a flower

22:20

recruiting there might still at the very sophisticated

22:23

communicating monitor little weed waggle dance

22:25

yeah like by they were to secure a dancer

22:27

it's a waggle dance that says he just expensive

22:29

and as we will have never heard of it by send

22:32

out far to stick on find things and as he happened

22:34

to come across this brilliant chunk of flowers

22:36

that a full of for wards the that's gonna help

22:38

you on his on wheels go again gaza

22:40

she'll go back to her nest and she'll i'm to

22:43

this dance and the dances to mine elements

22:45

tortoises where these things are but

22:47

really importantly it says how good they

22:49

are often as not as not

22:51

simply a case of going of his food over they

22:53

should go there there he chemical

22:55

some average flowers you know that can communicate

22:57

that but you're not doing with the same mom

23:00

and put it syncs exposed

23:03

i'm saying is actually tell his sister's that this

23:05

food his have that this and it's brilliant

23:08

everyone get there and that's one of the reasons that this so

23:10

good at recruiting flora resources

23:12

and that means i might be outcome pacing

23:14

some of and i see his face and that's one of the real challenges

23:17

with other important for food security

23:20

by on the colonizers natural

23:22

environment but there are concerns that they

23:24

are a couple of things not say well one is that by might

23:26

be competing with and eyes he pointed as and

23:28

the other is that some of our flowers just don't have

23:30

the shape the billie bee pollen

23:33

i should affectively bolland so honey base can save

23:35

from them and not necessarily provide the socialization

23:39

your book is it's a cold in the bleachers

23:41

may have people the urban feel that yourselves

23:44

irvin ecology the

23:47

funny place to do ecology but one of the things

23:49

that happens is that cities fundamentally change

23:52

what what night you can do we remove certain plants

23:54

and animals that we bring a lot of other animals and plants

23:56

in and there's a lot of pressures that com

23:58

it's as a could think of it as a real hostile

24:00

environment for night she got pollution you've got

24:02

alibis that hatred urban hate holland offense

24:05

fragmentation of habitats and one of the things it's

24:07

really wonderful from a biologist perspective

24:09

as it provides is this living laboratory to go

24:11

and work in assigned many things happening it's

24:14

, really important thing to realize that are awesome we

24:16

knew that of m side of the cities of the printing

24:18

of places to work is also a

24:20

recognition that we need you to a passenger home of concerning

24:23

nitrogen cities and making it accessible to paypal

24:25

so so a better way to organize

24:28

things like replanting nycha funding accessible

24:30

nature and i guess one of the things that with

24:32

seventy percent of the world's population living the world's

24:35

environments for a lot of us the

24:37

only connections were going to get tonight you're gonna

24:39

be the stuff us on a wider work or

24:41

living around us where we are

24:43

living around ounce and as such

24:45

an overwhelming body of work now that says that

24:47

connections tonight show and engaging with

24:49

everyday night shift can enhance

24:51

our wellbeing both wellbeing both and mental

24:54

i think we need to define what is which ever way

24:56

we can to try and get out and the

24:58

connect with it and find out what floats your boat and don't

25:01

do it

25:04

spiders i'm so scared of spiders

25:07

the have gone through every training program

25:09

of gotta say there were organ they sleep put

25:11

my hand on of

25:13

photograph of a spider he

25:15

a you an erection of her these kids fighters or

25:17

thing i'm thing a retina five hour terrorists

25:20

as terrorists as in laws and cities

25:22

yep some of the spot is that we share our worlds

25:24

with a pretty amazing the

25:27

things what the golden orb way but some really compelling

25:29

evidence that actually enjoying life and cities more than

25:31

in the natural environment and , terms

25:33

of steering spotted minute and it is it is important

25:35

to realize that some of them can be quite dangerous

25:38

but but of the really frustrating

25:40

part is that the body can't doesn't go anywhere

25:42

near justifying me and says we have winner

25:44

that killing spiders is not a good

25:46

thing for the overall our

25:49

being against go killing go thing

25:51

for us last spot

25:55

about australia since the eighties essence

25:58

the anti venom amanda's the capacity to the

26:00

high , healthcare meant we're very fortunate

26:03

i'm not only cavalier but nothing

26:05

like read backs and fauna weds could

26:07

be dangerous but the evidence with got is that provide

26:09

a were careful we have we live with him

26:12

we were ever they they they everywhere we just not

26:14

nice and most of the song so that case in

26:16

in my case of the intellect see where of

26:18

it and even though my daughter and i our cities

26:21

these kids leslie my was is not

26:23

and says she's one specific how get

26:25

this spot of the size of your head

26:28

of take it outside if you insist

26:30

a who it was having easy and nav it gets

26:33

changed is changed sinkhole the adolescent

26:35

debussy interest adolescent debussy

26:37

and boy girl stuff

26:40

and it's confirmed some worth it's sense to be a global

26:42

phenomenon in the western world but the around

26:45

twelve thirteen connections

26:47

tonight should drop quite dramatically and

26:49

you can sort of guess why i'm and things like that

26:51

high school starts pivot he starts and is

26:53

all lot of social drive is that much it

26:56

is more noticeable and girls and boys because the

26:58

girls and mourners funny where are the girls are coming

27:01

from a higher baseline for that meant that

27:03

i lock night to more than boys typically three

27:05

ancestry puberty they really the nature

27:07

yeah and i bez dropped down to the same again level

27:09

is she like and and it's not a catastrophic drop

27:11

the stiller a light and interest in it but

27:13

it's one of it's it's really interesting thing say adolescent

27:16

deep as one of us really noticeable trends

27:18

in the uk north america or eat

27:20

throughout europe and the lot you look

27:22

at some of the concerns either a either youth

27:24

mental health and and and and the fact that there

27:26

is getting , saw it and

27:29

and those experiences can be part of dealing with

27:31

it i think under the the covert locked down

27:33

to a lot of people found that you can find

27:35

ways to try and encourage kids to get out and fond

27:37

the bit that helps them because it is still in the is an interest

27:40

there we know there's an interest there but that death is a really

27:42

big concern and hopefully with your book at the

27:44

event soon it'll be an author all but if they start

27:46

on this book pre pvt they know still

27:49

love their friends and loved nature now

27:51

proficient dita hockey loyal whole

27:53

highly oh wow

27:56

okay i'm wow by the interests

27:58

of they didn't have just one language the three languages

28:00

are now for for like a mindless sort

28:03

of the four languages as an outlet their dialects

28:05

of german french and italian and is

28:07

also or i'm on issue i have any

28:09

those dc and i mostly very good proper

28:11

german ah stick swiss german which is a dialect

28:14

which is useful in about one hundred square kilometers

28:16

of i'm rules with would go to germany

28:18

can they understand you are try and my

28:20

sleeve and some meaningless thought i'd

28:23

say that gets to have people follow you and

28:25

you're fired eleven

28:27

feel natural produce is on twitter instagram

28:30

and up the want to follow my i'm i'm just at data

28:32

hockey july one word on low value

28:34

ticked off and instagram and lotsa twisting one

28:36

of the things x gonna come out as done at like

28:39

every bit of night show like he mentions his spot as

28:41

something like a the snakes but what

28:43

we want to do is see if you can find whatever

28:45

floats your boat go out and and and

28:47

enjoy it and pursue it till other people about

28:50

it and i share the joy she the pleasure

28:52

of unusually good a preview of mental

28:54

health business is that the decision to

28:56

the city's to get whoop whoop it's

28:58

interesting to them in the evidence seems to show

29:00

that it's it's not just it's having my

29:02

turn green are in the broader nine primary

29:05

race or far as to having nights in the

29:07

having nearby nights or everyday night she can be

29:09

that big trauma that and this working

29:11

if you look at forest bathing in japan stasis

29:14

this , that you can actually get doses of nights

29:17

of this this is going out and grounding yourself

29:19

and just enjoying time out there so it's actually

29:21

sentiment prescribed for people to get out interesting

29:23

i've gotten sick most tiny parks in a city

29:25

like tokyo which has millions

29:28

and millions of paper with paper secret opportunity

29:31

to got about twenty parts and what people actively

29:33

, type of their shows and enjoy i'm and yet

29:36

again it's not for everyone but it's one of those things

29:38

that the work seems to cut across many

29:40

cultures it's a severe

29:42

that the potential phenomenon that we actually

29:44

had actually sense part of part packet of trying to help

29:46

myself happier and healthier ah sedated

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of thank you so much for dropping in today thanks

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