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macro. And I'm your wife has Theresa Mcelroy.

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And you're listening dish manner. That's extraordinary

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etiquette. Ordinary. Gazans Hello my Dad

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Hello dear my voice is a

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little raspy little. A

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little nineteen seventies radio dj

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out are being with me

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and Jack. I'm

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having some allergies stuff and I talked to

0:55

my chest turbo well was normal if how.

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How is it possible I been? I feel

0:59

like you talk every day of your life.

1:01

Yeah, so I didn't amount. To

1:03

much as. I.

1:05

Imagine a level. That's. More

1:08

than I normally Their. Yeah,

1:10

Can I tell you that sometimes when

1:13

you're like out on tour and the

1:15

children aren't school idol, talk to anybody.

1:17

Until. They get home I

1:19

do. They don't have a anything. I

1:22

don't know. Must be so boring for your without

1:24

me around. I mean I do not worry about

1:26

most people before. ah I'm not there. How sad

1:28

for them. It. Just

1:31

doesn't happen. Use don't talk of get on

1:33

top and you know that's a really good time.

1:35

To. Watch birds. Of

1:37

a segway when you know

1:40

I wrote an attack way.

1:42

I rode. And wrote you think what

1:44

this is a thing I wait so we have

1:46

some bird feeders are we have a big front

1:48

window where smurf years of there. And.

1:51

It kills me and cracks know every time

1:53

that you'll be like islanders and whatever bird

1:55

and there and Dodds like let me see,

1:58

I like comes running out of. The word

2:00

like whoa. I got to get Abby as well. During

2:02

that pandemic, that's a nice.

2:05

I'm that's what Daddy and I did. But

2:08

it's just so funny to me how loud. Dot

2:10

Will analyse just hasn't got the idea

2:12

of like we mean to be quiet

2:14

as. A mere at two month old,

2:17

I stood her up on the windowsill

2:19

and I said look, that's the ticket

2:21

He left the that's Rotten list

2:23

as. A cardinal she'll do as a

2:26

now that I really enjoy yourself said

2:28

telling us like what sounds birds make

2:30

sense and I think she's way but

2:32

I don't Now an hour of the

2:34

legs of something I'll go down that

2:36

sounds right but I know. That.

2:39

Seconds as club and now those who

2:41

images I miserably. Jay says and I'm

2:43

like, okay, We're. Talking about what

2:45

are you up? Burning.

2:48

We're bird watching, burning

2:50

some. Some of my earliest

2:52

memories of my grandmother. Are

2:54

she was the burden know again

2:57

but see whether burger on. See

3:00

had a on a bojan. Book.

3:04

And see and I would

3:06

stand that her kitchen window

3:09

and see particularly loved cardinals.

3:11

Yeah, she was very quick to talk about and

3:13

point out the Cardinals as she was in. This

3:15

is not the only one. And a

3:17

carnal is like to stay bird have exerted

3:19

for city services. Like

3:22

phases a lot of say Ohio's Cardinal

3:24

was reading is cardinal. Kentucky

3:26

Colonels. as as I generally low

3:28

Cardinals. They're everywhere. Said. Okay

3:31

anyways as the I was there by a river. Ha

3:34

ha ha ha. So let's talk

3:36

a little bit about some history

3:38

now. First, I would like to

3:40

give everyone a bit of a

3:43

heads up. The. History:

3:45

A bird watching does not just

3:47

include watching the birds. Yeah I'm

3:49

it. If you don't see know

3:51

like the idea of hunting. Probably.

3:54

Skip this part because that

3:57

is how people studied birds.

3:59

Before. Okay, So

4:02

definition, bird watching his they observing

4:04

of birds either as a recreational

4:07

activity or a form a citizen

4:09

science. And. We're gonna talk

4:11

about what citizen science as. Big or go,

4:14

it's neat are just. So a

4:16

bird watcher can observe their animals

4:18

with the naked eye or binoculars

4:20

or telescope. ah me. Can set

4:23

up even public bird camps right?

4:25

You can sign those on you

4:27

tube. I'm basically if you're looking

4:29

for a bird, you are bird

4:32

watching. It's very

4:34

easy and accessible activity you you

4:36

pretty much just need a spot

4:38

stand and or said in an

4:40

your eyes right arm. So it's

4:42

been around for thousands of years.

4:45

Especially as Irvin Birds and eyes?

4:47

Yep. Especially among the wealthy.

4:50

Was sure. Yet. As if you had

4:52

time. To watch a bird does it

4:54

takes a little while. I'm if you weren't toiling

4:56

in the fields of the. Factories. right?

4:58

Well but it also is like

5:00

a see you could do. While.

5:05

Doing other things right see to be

5:07

sitting at a picnic and bird watson

5:09

be incredibly drunk and for a while

5:11

ago I guess the might be a

5:13

little unruly for the birds. Depending.

5:16

Pious influence the children outlaw yeah, like

5:18

Smp not assume paint on member like

5:20

com. Me: Like Scots years

5:23

is sitting there swirling your sister

5:25

vegan cardinal. I'm

5:27

so it began by the

5:29

hunting and collecting of animal

5:31

specimens. Ah it has been

5:34

a at told throughout time

5:36

obsession of the leisure case

5:38

right arm and some of

5:40

the earliest records. we have

5:42

a bird watching his of

5:44

Egyptian Pharaohs sailing in the

5:46

marshes of the Nile. And

5:50

you know they would also

5:52

eat birds, right? Ah, But

5:54

they also sold birds and

5:56

kept birds as pets. they

5:58

in ancient egyptian culture, they

6:00

were extremely symbolic. Do you remember

6:02

the sky god?

6:05

That would be sky

6:07

god's horse. That's right. Often depicted

6:09

with the head of a falcon,

6:11

right? Yes. Or maybe you

6:13

wore a bird amulet for protection, but

6:16

the image of the bird was

6:18

very central to Egyptian life. In

6:22

fact, it was not unheard of if

6:24

you had a particularly good

6:26

relationship with your pet bird for

6:28

them to be mummified and interred with

6:30

you. I bet the bird hated that. Well,

6:33

so they could come back to the next life with

6:35

you, the same life. We've talked about

6:37

this. It's the continuation. Anyway, by

6:41

the 1700s, hunting and

6:44

traveling became much, much

6:46

easier, which led to people

6:48

beginning to collect and

6:50

taxidermy their kills. Yes. Because

6:53

what's better than seeing a

6:55

beautiful thing than killing a beautiful thing?

6:58

We'll get to that. So

7:01

this is where we get the start of the

7:03

trophy rooms, right? We've seen these in TVs

7:05

and movies. Well, it's maximalism as

7:07

well, correct? Right. Where this idea, I think it

7:09

really peaked in the 1800s, but this idea of

7:13

like, I need to

7:15

collect things from every place I go and like

7:18

a small pathway through the room to

7:20

walk and like every shelf, every space,

7:22

every table, cupboard and stuff. Right. And

7:25

birds were very common to have, often

7:28

taxidermied as if in flight. Yeah.

7:30

Right. Or

7:33

like just taking off or like in

7:35

very natural looking kind of settings. I

7:37

would like if I would, I don't have any

7:40

taxidermied animals in our house, but if I did,

7:42

I would want them all to look very surprised.

7:47

What? That's what I would go for.

7:50

So these preservation,

7:52

these specimens were

7:55

how the ornithologists were

7:57

able to study. Right.

8:00

So, in the 1800s, these

8:02

ornithologists would use the birds and their

8:04

parts to examine, to measure, to

8:07

refer back to during their studies. You

8:09

know, if you were studying relationships

8:12

between different species, right, you wanted to

8:14

be able to compare and contrast right

8:16

there without having to wait for it to come

8:19

across your lawn or whatever. You needed specimens. Exactly.

8:24

And so, it's

8:26

a pretty life-like model,

8:28

right, that could be meticulously

8:30

studied and then conveniently tucked into your drawer

8:32

when you were done with it, right? Okay.

8:36

It wasn't until the 19th

8:38

century a scientist named Edmund

8:40

Sellis had an epiphany

8:43

while observing a pair of European night jars

8:45

in the wild. Picture

8:48

it. Okay. He's camouflaged

8:50

in the woods. Okay. And how can

8:52

I picture if he's camouflaged? Well, it's

8:54

important. Okay. The camouflage is important.

8:57

He was attempting to observe

9:00

the female incubating her eggs. They

9:02

have a European night jars, have

9:04

a very specific pattern on their

9:07

plumage that allows them to

9:10

nearly disappear into the surrounding

9:12

bark of trees. Okay. And

9:15

Sellis writes that it took him well over

9:17

an hour before he, quote, finally became convinced

9:19

that it was the bird and not a

9:22

piece of fur bark at

9:24

which I was looking. So

9:27

he was absolutely thrilled to see

9:29

how flawlessly the night jar could

9:31

blend into its surroundings. And

9:34

this was just from the pattern on

9:37

its wings, right, using

9:39

no other kind of trickery.

9:44

And had he only killed the

9:46

bird and brought it back to

9:48

his study, he would have never

9:50

known how perfectly it camouflaged

9:53

into the bark, right?

9:55

His epiphany was sometimes

9:58

it would not kill him.

10:00

a thing, you can learn more from it. Exactly.

10:03

Okay. Big

10:05

epiphany. Big epiphany. He then wrote

10:07

about how he experienced great regret

10:10

for all the birds he had killed or had a hand in

10:12

killing, saying, I must confess

10:14

that I once belonged to this great poor

10:16

army of killers. So happily,

10:18

a bad shot, a most fatigable

10:20

collector, and a poor half-hearted bungler

10:23

generally. I love all of that

10:25

hedging, by the way. I think that man like, but

10:27

I'm not, I wasn't good at it. I wasn't good

10:30

at it. Now that

10:32

I have watched birds closely, the killing of them seems

10:34

to me something monstrous and horrible.

10:37

So this is when the tide starts to

10:39

turn, right? Where

10:41

people are like, actually, Yeah.

10:44

Let us not collect them to put

10:46

in our drawers, but let

10:49

us observe instead. It's

10:51

such an interesting thing, cause like there's

10:54

two sides to it. Like the Natural

10:57

History Museum in New York, right?

10:59

Has all of these taxidermium animals

11:01

and all of these examples and these

11:03

things. And on the one hand-

11:05

Which originate from usually about the 1800s. And

11:08

on the one hand, it's like, yeah, during that

11:10

time, right, these animals

11:12

would not have been properly cared for in

11:14

a zoo, right? They would have been put

11:16

in small cages and this was a way

11:19

for people to see these animals that

11:21

they would never have seen in real life.

11:24

And like we didn't have video documentaries of

11:26

or whatever. And so that's great.

11:28

But on the other hand, it's like, oh

11:30

no, man. Like when Beebe's like,

11:33

is that a real animal? I'm like, oh, what? It was.

11:36

And she's like, excuse me, go on. What?

11:38

And you're like, I don't know how to tell you about this in

11:40

a way that won't upset you. Yeah. Yeah. It

11:44

is kind of two sides of the same

11:46

coin, right? I mean, you mentioned that the

11:50

zoos of the time were pretty

11:52

cruel. And

11:55

keeping the animal

11:57

alive probably wouldn't.

12:00

have elongated its life in any way?

12:02

And even then, even in those conditions, it

12:04

was still incredibly expensive and prohibitive, so it

12:07

wasn't like every city has a zoo. Right.

12:10

So the chance of a child

12:12

seeing a lion was

12:14

like a miracle if

12:16

that happened, you know what I mean, as opposed to

12:18

pictures and books. So having a taxidermied

12:20

animal, you didn't need space to take care of them,

12:22

you didn't need to feed them or anything. So I

12:25

mean, it was a way to see it, I

12:28

guess, it's just still not great. It's not wild

12:30

about it. Not wild about it. That's

12:34

why, and we've talked about taxidermy, if

12:36

you want to go and listen to that, dear

12:39

listeners, I don't know which one

12:41

it is. I'll figure it out. Just

12:43

search manners taxidermy, there can't be that many

12:45

results. That is why enthusiasts,

12:48

they maintain that it is

12:50

important that you collect vintage

12:53

specimens, right? So

12:55

things that have already been cataloged and documented

12:58

as happening from a long time

13:00

ago and we don't do new

13:02

stuff except for already

13:04

dead animals. And frankly,

13:06

if you're taxidermied, especially birds,

13:09

you don't get to watch them do their

13:11

funky mating dances that I love. Oh, that's

13:13

true. Oh, hearing David Attenborough talk about these

13:16

funky dances is the best one. And I

13:18

worked at Best Buy, we had the big

13:20

wall of TVs, you know, that was on

13:22

there constantly. It's just like, and watch this

13:24

bird spread out. It's big like tail feathers

13:26

and then bounce around to impress the female.

13:28

And I kept thinking like, yeah,

13:31

me too, buddy. Me

13:33

too. So this is the turning point, right?

13:35

Edmund Selles was like, let's have some

13:37

empathy for the birds. And

13:40

that became a more respectable position.

13:44

And so much so that eventually

13:46

bird watching became less about conquering

13:48

the animals and more about protecting

13:50

them. I think that that is a very charitable

13:52

way of putting it and not incorrect. But

13:55

there is also the side of it of

13:57

you will learn more from Watching the

13:59

behavior. We're watching it certainly move.

14:01

Watching it do it's thing than

14:03

just looking at like a lifeless

14:06

taxidermy version of it, right? This

14:08

was also helped by the availability of decent,

14:10

The Not Killers and the early Nineteen Hundreds

14:13

which enabled more and more people to be

14:15

able. To observe the birds at a

14:17

distance. Right. Out of. until then, we'd

14:19

only had you not killers, ma'am or.

14:22

Okay, any higher. That

14:26

I wasn't there a sometimes exact same but

14:28

I guess I should have. Hogan.

14:32

Known and it's fine just trying

14:34

my best to fill my roll

14:36

over here of the comedy land

14:39

by that fine. Please feel free

14:41

to continue commenting with your whimsical

14:43

musical instruments that. I

14:46

don't see that when you drop of fags

14:48

and you're like they used to but not

14:50

yours Or my my last. I don't do

14:52

that. No, it's fine. Please. Continue.

14:54

Sorry now I'm a big don't you

14:56

have. How does he apologized? Three Gilliam

14:59

and Toes. That's what marriages that cannot

15:01

be Wagner's Okay, yeah, no. Keeps telling

15:03

me about how bad my job is.

15:06

Go on itself with no, no, no,

15:08

it's fine. My jokes are funny. You.

15:11

Not yours is nothing. I see that now. I'm

15:14

go on Melbourne place

15:16

Okay. Is that

15:18

I'm doing my best. And. The.

15:21

Early nineteen forties. And

15:24

the days of the Second World War with

15:26

when we experienced a big boom. In

15:28

Birds wankers. As with worth let me try

15:30

to get it wouldn't be the second job

15:32

I get a big room for those the

15:34

war going. And

15:37

during this time. And trying to hurt not as the

15:39

on the book. Watching birds fight

15:41

scenes sister hit the cells were

15:43

it quickly exploded. In popularity. Oh

15:45

bore a bomb exploded at Alex's

15:47

Have the fun in there. Okay

15:49

gone. the both. Would eventually

15:52

sell over one million copies.

15:55

Now another thing that we have not part of our Ottawa

15:57

I'm. Not. Yet of that. I'm.

16:01

So. There. Are a

16:03

couple reasons why this time period.

16:06

Is specific with the bird watching.

16:09

Some not only was it accessible,

16:11

anyone could go outside and try

16:13

and science of birds. Soldiers use

16:15

bird watching as a welcome distraction

16:18

during their long watches, and some

16:20

who were confined to work camps

16:22

look to the skies for much

16:24

needed help and entertainment. I

16:26

also have as any was. Or while

16:29

you were may be recovering

16:31

from injury certainly or very

16:33

calming birds distraction when returning

16:35

home. From. War which

16:37

were chosen to put it technically

16:39

messed. You love him to be

16:41

like and against. Sit here. And.

16:44

Look at the sky. And be with my

16:46

thoughts and my birds. As fry

16:48

very peaceful. I agree. I'm

16:50

one person who enjoyed this past

16:52

time. To that end, rights was

16:55

John Buxton. Ah, in his civilian

16:57

life he had worked with his

16:59

like Marjorie as the Warden of

17:02

Stockholm, a bird observatory at an

17:04

island in Wales that serves as

17:06

a sanctuary right for says that

17:08

when pretence. Ah, Unfortunately, He.

17:10

Was captured by the Axis Powers and

17:13

eighteen forties and spent the rest of

17:15

World War Two bouncing around to various

17:17

prison camps. Every place he went, he

17:20

encouraged his fellow inmates to watch and

17:22

record behavior of any different birds, and

17:24

at one point he even wrote to

17:27

Germany's leading arsenal just. Are solid

17:29

Ornithologist Ornithologist? Sorry I'm.

17:32

I'd. That I said, there was a question mark. I'm no, no,

17:34

no, you're. Right, I said it correctly earlier

17:36

in the episode, But now sometimes after

17:38

looking. At a word so many

17:40

times and it's victim blaming Birdman

17:43

they're asking for. Books and bird bands

17:45

so that he and his fellow inmates to

17:47

continue their study even. Through the imprisonment bird

17:49

bands to bare like not like to been

17:52

to mess up for army around know had

17:54

gotta go to county the urging of a

17:56

leading barbarians the eagles. and

17:58

this city The Eagles. Yeah.

18:02

Because this is very bad. Okay. The scientist.

18:04

I'm trying my best. I know. You're

18:07

doing great. That was a good one.

18:09

Thank you, baby. Thank you very much. I'm just winging

18:11

it. No? No,

18:13

that's okay. This

18:17

German scientist, Erwin

18:19

Strussman, was so impressed by

18:21

Buxton's dedication that he did send him

18:23

the supplies. So he was

18:25

able to continue his work even

18:27

in imprisonment.

18:31

John Buxton remained

18:34

dedicated to his love of

18:36

birds. And after

18:38

he was released, he wrote a book

18:40

called The Red Start in 1950. And

18:44

it was later said that birdwatching was one of

18:46

the few pleasures that helped him and his men

18:49

continue during their time in the prison camps. But

18:52

the war did end. Oh, good. Okay.

18:55

Spoilers. No, no, no spoilers. They

18:57

did. Okay. And

18:59

so when people came home, like you said,

19:01

they really still enjoyed birdwatching. It was a

19:04

very calming, peaceful activity. But

19:07

people seem to have been divided into

19:10

two thoughts on the situation. If

19:14

you were a civilian bird lover, you

19:17

were either, quote, a purposeful bird

19:20

watcher or a, quote, aimless bird

19:22

watcher. Okay. So

19:25

you were either very scientifically surveying

19:27

and studying the animals in their

19:29

natural habitat or you

19:31

were someone who just liked to look at pretty things and

19:34

write down the names of the birds you saw. There's nothing

19:36

wrong with that. Agreed.

19:39

The divide was pretty inevitable

19:41

at the point, right? And so- Is

19:43

this where we're getting into citizen scientists? Yes. Okay.

19:47

I'm so excited to talk about that, but

19:49

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20:02

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21:38

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21:41

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21:43

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21:45

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21:48

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21:54

think recognizes define words to

21:57

say. Grackle crackle, grackle. We've

22:00

been stopped the beef though, right between

22:02

the two sides. Professional.

22:05

I bet birders love beef. Sew

22:09

it. Birds love suet. That's

22:12

not beef. It is. Suet?

22:14

Suet. Okay. Suet

22:17

is... We've said the word too many times. It

22:19

is the layer of fat

22:23

and connective tissue

22:25

surrounding the pancreas.

22:28

I don't know. I think. Yeah.

22:30

Okay. Reverend Peter Hartley, a

22:33

self-proclaimed youthful bird watcher,

22:36

declared that non-scientific bird watching

22:38

is simply lazy and competent

22:40

in slovenly bird watching. Oh

22:43

boy. And amateur bird lover,

22:45

Dennis Summer Smith, refused to let that

22:47

stand, responding that casual bird watching

22:49

is, quote, no more slovenly than going to

22:51

a concert without a score. Many

22:53

are not suited to carry out scientific studies or

22:55

read scores. Should we criticize them for the pleasure

22:58

they get from birds or from music? I

23:00

just want to say, I really love making

23:02

the kind of argument, you can't say that because

23:04

I'm too stupid to do the thing you do.

23:09

So there. It's like,

23:11

hey, come here. I don't

23:13

think you're winning this argument the way

23:15

you think you are. I think

23:17

that the point was not that he was too stupid

23:20

to do the thing. But when you're like, but some

23:22

people aren't suited to do science, so back off. Would

23:25

you begrudge someone enjoying music, even

23:28

if they could not read music? I would argue

23:30

that. The same way that you would begrudge

23:32

someone enjoying bird watching, even if they don't

23:34

study it scientifically. I would say, and this

23:37

is my own personal opinion, but in many

23:39

ways, knowing too much about a subject is

23:42

a way to remove partially

23:44

your ability to enjoy it in a certain

23:46

way. I think that, for

23:49

example, Brent

23:52

and I have talked about this many times, where when it comes

23:54

to musicals, as someone who

23:57

has written musicals, he... enjoys

24:01

them differently than I do, where

24:03

he sees it a lot more, you

24:05

know, as like a constructed thing, the

24:07

way it's built. And

24:09

I'm just like, I thought it was good. And

24:12

so I could see where you

24:14

would be like, well, I like knowing about the birds

24:16

and that helps me enjoy it more. And I'd be

24:18

like, that sounds really boring. Look at those feathers. Regardless,

24:23

it didn't, it wasn't really ever

24:25

about that, was it? Because it

24:28

was about class. It doesn't have

24:30

class distinctions. You know, the

24:32

wealthy could afford the leisure

24:35

to enjoy birdwatching, right? Wow.

24:37

And this is another thing too, that we see, especially

24:39

as it becomes, there's more leisure,

24:41

right? That's another thing post World War II,

24:44

is we start to develop the middle class and

24:46

there's a lot more leisure time and vacation time

24:48

and everything. So once you remove

24:52

the class barrier for

24:55

birdwatching, now it

24:57

becomes about education and it becomes about

24:59

scientific ability to be like, okay, yeah,

25:02

he does it, but he's not doing

25:04

it the right way because he hasn't

25:06

been educated in it. So there. Exactly.

25:10

By the 1960s, expansion

25:12

in higher education, just like you

25:14

said, brought more women into

25:16

scientific spaces, allowing women to take

25:19

up biology and zoology. The 70s

25:21

and 80s brought people falling

25:23

in love with birds that, you know, finally

25:25

these. Well, not falling in love

25:27

with birds. This isn't like Crane Wife. No, no,

25:29

no. Falling in love with watching birds. The idea

25:31

of birds. It forced

25:33

rich white guys to take a

25:36

backseat, right? Because they could no

25:38

longer ignore the fact that birdwatching

25:40

was something that even those who

25:42

they deemed less could enjoy. I

25:45

love just that sentence made me picture

25:47

it as like a revolution. This is

25:49

the revolution. We can all look at

25:51

birds now. Yes.

25:53

Today, birdwatchers come from every background, country, race,

25:55

religion, and other demographic group you can think

25:58

of. Millions World. Wives

26:00

are interested in birds and to

26:02

find themselves as birdwatchers. something data

26:05

for larger scientific run birding like

26:07

conservation initiatives. Yeah some people just

26:09

enjoying the magic of watching the

26:12

Cedar. In their front yards? That would be

26:14

me. Yeah, we have several of those. We got

26:16

Bird Tv yeah, harm. and we're like fi bird

26:18

feeders set up so he didn't change channels. Ember

26:20

Tv. One of them as a hummingbird.

26:22

Feeder is that's rare but was very exciting

26:24

on and have one. Year we had to

26:26

humming bird feeders and that bird started

26:28

fighting over in them. so he had

26:30

We figured out. Through. The internet

26:32

that I had to play some and opposite

26:34

ends of the bird feeder tv so that.

26:36

The Birds with insight. Yeah, Okay,

26:40

So we didn't talk about Audubon very sensitive

26:42

and and Greg bird. Oh.

26:45

Here's the thing about oh okay sorry know

26:47

I'd say says of of her arm and

26:49

I know of at least one example is

26:51

just as I'm glad a mile of the

26:53

of but I know that there's at least

26:55

one maybe lots of of birds and above

26:57

are like that bird doesn't exist, arm and

26:59

nurses like a sensible drawing he dead. He's

27:01

like on things as birds real. And

27:05

ah yes I think for a long time

27:08

that was like people's like in of like

27:10

was all these birds in once again them

27:12

as a retired but before he if you.

27:14

Lived. Across you know

27:16

if you're in Europe right and his of

27:19

America catalogue birds in a murder see those

27:21

birds right? He would look at the pictures

27:23

in there was like your way of experience

27:25

and his words on when he was also

27:27

really hard to fact check the merge together

27:30

and be like our rights sell me a

27:32

photograph of the threat of i didn't exist

27:34

so they don't owe it to Anyways it's

27:36

a very very sensibly. Even

27:39

today very sensible. Here's

27:41

some etiquette and Sam. How.

27:44

To this: don't grab the birds. Don't

27:46

hate They say that. So

27:49

pick a spot. And get healthy.

27:51

Preferably outside, it's lot easier to find

27:53

birds. Unless you're like ah ah, Petsmart

27:55

or a Home Depot, there's always like.

28:00

Idea. When I worked at Petsmart,

28:03

I'm. We just weeks after in either

28:05

bazooka loading bay doors in the warehouse or

28:07

like through the front or thinking there's is

28:09

gonna be by gonna be birds and so

28:12

like it was about like to the a

28:14

big as it both feet or whatever

28:16

and an amazing of our debate hey guys

28:18

have I got a scoop for yahoo as

28:21

this place and I everyday they leave our

28:23

like a Bm and is is Oliver's it's

28:25

and then we're just come in in the

28:27

mornings and you're just signed Birds he bags

28:30

is like packed opening night he has

28:32

you guys. I'm so this

28:34

could be may be at a state park.

28:36

Right in or as close as

28:39

your own Franklin Dell. right?

28:42

That you sit, deal a little bit

28:44

of research before you go burning. Whether

28:46

that's hadn't a little guidebook, or talking

28:48

to the park ranger about what kind

28:50

of birds he thinks that in your

28:53

area I'm having at least a vague

28:55

idea what you're looking for will help

28:57

a lot, because you know. Making

29:00

identifications and pointing out to

29:02

other people is terrified. That

29:04

fun of me I am.

29:06

Their apps they can download

29:09

Merlin or the Audubon side.

29:12

Sanders years of an hour of pure

29:14

really ottomans decided I went to the

29:16

Now. I'm sure you've gotten a lot

29:18

more accurate. Says the original Audubon dude

29:20

drew his book in the year from

29:22

of her South Pacific Spencer is a

29:25

lot more accurate now please. Okay around.

29:27

I mean. I. Am I don't

29:29

send your falcon for or whatever and see what

29:31

you ever that as. He

29:33

said were neutral clothing especially if

29:35

you're outside rights. you might be

29:38

a little more protected from like

29:40

a if you're. Behind. A window or

29:42

in your backyard right arm you have ruled

29:44

out there. have there used to it had

29:46

a boyfriend a crow. good as I want.

29:48

no I don't have rules had. Ah

29:52

sorry Teresa. I'm

29:55

law Law of. earth tones

29:57

right and you don't have to like wear camouflage

29:59

unless you want to. Unless you want to. If

30:01

you want to get out there in a ghillie

30:03

suit and get real close to the birds, I

30:06

support it. But perhaps. Don't

30:09

be a creep about it. Perhaps leave your

30:11

bright colors and color blocking sets and

30:13

things for another day. Okay.

30:15

Be as quiet as possible because,

30:17

believe it or not, humans are

30:20

natural predators to birds. So

30:23

they're not going to land on your shoulder like Snow White.

30:26

We were talking about this on

30:28

the Seeks, my brother and my brother and me about setting

30:30

up bird feeders and how do you get birds to show

30:32

up. And I said, if

30:35

not everything gets cracked up to be, I

30:37

don't know if you ever experienced

30:39

this when you go to fill the bird feeders and

30:41

you can hear all the birds in the trees around

30:44

like, guys, guys, guys, they're filling it up. They're filling

30:46

it up. Guys, get ready. And he's

30:48

like, like threw out the trees

30:50

and you're like, okay. I

30:52

got to get out of here. And I will get

30:54

flute. I'll get flute. Yeah. But

30:58

then if I don't fill it, we get knocks on the door

31:00

and they're like, hey, if you

31:02

could come fill that up, please, that'd be great. We

31:05

do have a wreath on our front door and

31:07

like a frosted glass thing and the birds try

31:09

to pull stuff out of the wreath. And

31:12

I just can't imagine how frustrating that must be as

31:14

a bird to be like, what is going on? I

31:17

found perfect. This stuff is great. Why

31:20

does it taste weird? And I can't move it. This

31:22

sucks. So also try and

31:25

be quiet because that will help

31:27

keep the birds at ease and

31:29

observe from a

31:32

respectful distance. That's what binoculars are for. That's what

31:34

binoculars are for. Try binoculars. If you're with a

31:36

friend. I guess you would need quadinoculars. Not only

31:38

will it keep you from seeing birds, if you

31:42

are too close, but also it could stress the

31:52

bird out, which is something that I worry

31:55

about. There's a Robin nest right outside our

31:57

back door. And Every time we go

31:59

in and out, that's what we do. Door That Robin flies

32:01

away and I'm worried about that. Robin, they'll listen.

32:04

They knew. That. We

32:06

were there. That's true right? We didn't

32:08

move in to their we didn't build our

32:10

house next to they are seen on a

32:12

man the guess you're right. That's

32:15

like if I. Bought a

32:17

house that was six inches from a train

32:19

our like why they put that trains hundred

32:21

and. Okay, I'm

32:24

some people. Using

32:26

their apps or what not. Like.

32:29

To. Play. Recordings.

32:32

Of. The birds I know about voters the

32:34

that's not cool. It's not cool that

32:36

you play them out in the fields.

32:38

You could play them in your home

32:40

to get familiar. Yeah, war it

32:43

through headphones if you're out. In

32:45

the in the field right? Is that about

32:47

taking the birds? Is it of the or

32:49

the so. Sake! Bird

32:51

calls and since use the

32:53

native birds and it might

32:55

have a negative effect on

32:57

birds overall liked us the

32:59

that confusion if like say

33:01

for example. You.

33:04

Play a recording of. A mating call

33:06

right to draw a bird to

33:08

you. When the bird gets there and

33:11

there's no. There's no were very late

33:13

last. It's confusing for their

33:15

of the don't see birds bread saturday

33:17

night the for that reason the seats

33:19

you can go or even of it's

33:21

just like a hardware store at ever

33:23

but you didn't find different mixes of

33:25

sees that will cater to different birds

33:27

but do like rice and don't do

33:30

that would brag. That are litter

33:32

and do not do that.

33:34

No rice, no bread. I

33:36

have heard that you can

33:38

scatter peas. Okay that

33:40

because that is a vegetable right?

33:42

So thing that the birds could

33:44

eat sir I'm especially for like

33:46

ducks. And geese. Peter. Granary

33:49

do at. These

33:51

are great because they also flip. Ogre

33:54

armies would consider. What

33:56

can't they do to not trespass. My.

33:59

friends and you want to see those birds. Do

34:01

not trespass. I thought you were going to say, I

34:04

know you want to trespass. It seems so cool. If

34:07

your friends try to get you to trespass, they're not

34:09

your friends. If you see

34:11

a rare or endangered species, that's

34:13

amazing. Eat it quickly for its

34:16

power. But be extremely respectful. Take

34:19

a picture, right? Pictures worth a

34:21

thousand words. Take a picture. But,

34:24

you know, share

34:27

the love and

34:29

make sure that you don't disrespect the

34:31

bird. Don't scare the bird away with

34:33

your excited whoops and hollers. Indeed.

34:36

Here's the thing. We're

34:39

all in this together, right? Birding or

34:41

the world? Both. Okay. Bird world. If

34:44

you're an experienced bird or help out the

34:46

newbies, be respectful, but not overbearing. Now

34:48

birds. That's a bird. That's right. If you're

34:50

a newbie, you know, ask

34:52

a pro for some advice and be chill. Act

34:54

like you've been there before. You know what I

34:56

mean? Don't show up and point at everything. Go.

34:58

Is that a bird? Is that a bird? Is

35:00

that a bird? And like, that's a chair. Stop

35:03

it. Grab your binoculars, make some friends and

35:05

have a wonderful time searching for a whippoorwill

35:08

or whatever. Or a bird. A

35:10

grapple. Is that a grapple?

35:12

Is that a grapple? Stop

35:15

saying grapple. Hey,

35:17

thank you all so much. Thank you to

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35:21

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35:27

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35:30

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