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a busy man. It's 11.45 and then... A

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little burned out. Hey, that's okay.

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Because this one is a really, really

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fun one. Oh? Yes.

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Not like our normal slogs.

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No, it is. We haven't done a biography in

0:58

a while. And so, and I has...

1:02

Let's call it an origin story.

1:05

Okay. That's what I want to call it. Are we

1:07

talking about Superman? No. Aww. But, The

1:10

Man, The Myth, The Mystery is

1:12

very close. It is Santa

1:15

Claus. Now listen, if

1:17

there's any children here. This is a grown...

1:19

These are grown-up secrets that

1:21

we keep reserved for grown-ups. You will learn about

1:23

them in time. But for right now, if

1:26

you're a child listening to this, this

1:28

is just for grown-ups. This is too much

1:30

power and information for you. Do you hear me? So

1:33

you need to leave the room or get out of the car and walk the

1:35

rest of the way to school. You

1:38

take over doing the dishes for your parents. I think it

1:40

would be interesting for some children to listen to. I

1:44

think they might enjoy it. We'll see. Do

1:48

you remember in the first Santa Claus

1:50

movie, The Santa Claus? Yes. With... I'm

1:53

saying my own. And he's listing

1:55

off all his different names. He's like being

1:58

questioned by the police. And he's

2:00

like, in such a such a thing on me, such a such

2:02

a thing, right? And he goes, Pobolosícho! That's

2:04

a thing from like, the Johnny Clarison like, tonight's

2:06

show, which I did not know. But the, for,

2:08

cause I was a kid when that came out,

2:10

and I felt that, like, I just

2:13

thought that was another one of Santa Claus's names.

2:15

I didn't know. He does say several of them.

2:17

Yes. Pierre Noel. But Pobolosícho

2:19

is not. No. That's not the

2:21

guy. That's Tim Allen. Thrown in a

2:24

joke for the old folks. Mmm. Okay.

2:28

Hey. How closely does this go with the life and times

2:31

of Santa Claus, the rank and best movie? It

2:34

does not. Oh, it doesn't match up. He

2:36

wasn't raised by fairies and a lion? I mean, listen, just like

2:38

comic books, Santa

2:41

Claus could have more than one origin

2:43

story. Sure. OK. Let's

2:46

start at the very beginning. Let us. First,

2:49

I think that you need to

2:51

know that Santa Claus has been around for centuries.

2:54

Yeah. As with most

2:56

famous immortals. And he has

2:58

popped up in a number of places under

3:00

several different aliases. Mmm. Right?

3:04

Father Christmas. Indeed. At present,

3:06

he has settled in a vast country

3:09

estate at 123 Elf

3:12

Road, North Pole, 888888. Is

3:18

it a... And you can Google

3:20

it because you can

3:22

Google it because he has

3:25

tax records that

3:28

he shares of his workshops and

3:30

home with his wife, Mrs. Jessica

3:32

Claus, to whom he has been

3:35

married to since 1849. Now,

3:38

hold on. This is a lot. But

3:41

mostly can I just zero in on the

3:43

fact who's making Santa Claus

3:46

pay taxes? Oh, I don't.

3:48

I don't know if he pays taxes. He

3:50

just reports them. He files. Okay.

3:53

I don't think that any municipality would

3:55

deign to make Santa

3:57

Claus pay taxes. If

4:00

you live in the North Pole, can you really call

4:02

it a country estate? Like, I mean, I guess it's

4:04

as far removed from the city

4:06

as you can. Yeah. Okay.

4:09

Um, interestingly, Mrs. Jessica

4:12

Claus, her occupations were

4:14

listed as head cookie baker, president

4:17

of reindeer affairs and head

4:19

of holiday morale. Okay.

4:22

Listen, Mrs. Claus, if you're listening

4:24

to this, please, I'm so sorry for what I'm about to

4:26

say. But do you think

4:28

she's a big banker if he needs to get all his cookies?

4:31

Oh, those are replenishing supplies.

4:33

He can't, he doesn't need

4:36

to bring all of the cookies

4:38

he needs for the night with him. Right.

4:41

Those are replenishing his stores.

4:43

We got to get him on some

4:45

protein powder. Got to get him some

4:47

veggies in there. Cause if he's the

4:50

end of the get, it's his magic

4:52

cookie fueled. Ooh. Maybe it's

4:54

sugar powered. Interesting. That's how he moves so fast to

4:56

get from house to house. It's like you can give

4:58

a five year old bunch of sugar and let them

5:00

loose. You

5:04

might find that those have been debunked by

5:06

saying it anyway. Anyway. Wait,

5:08

sugar rush is something

5:11

that probably doesn't exist. I

5:13

mean, sugar is a very

5:15

easily broken down substance. And

5:17

so yes, does it contain energy?

5:19

Indeed it does. But

5:22

if you gave a child also something

5:24

else with easily broken down energy,

5:29

they would behave very similarly. Maybe it's

5:31

just the excitement. Maybe. If

5:34

you want to hear any more

5:36

about Jessica

5:38

Claus or

5:40

about their country estate, you can check

5:42

out an article printed by Vice in 2016.

5:48

Santa Claus is reported to be extremely

5:50

healthy and feeling great. Awesome. And

5:55

he's also listed as one of the most

5:57

top 10 recognizable figures in. The

6:00

world now that's interesting to me Because

6:04

I would say at least give me

6:06

us most of our image of him.

6:08

It's fairly recent indeed Yes, because

6:10

in recent times he's become

6:12

sort of influencer status Working

6:15

with such brands like Coca-Cola

6:17

and yeah, but even then

6:20

like until we got to Clement Moore Right

6:23

Clement Moore who didn't I'm not nightmare

6:25

before Before he

6:28

described him in that and before that there

6:31

wasn't like a oh, but there was oh

6:33

really? Yes We'll get to that.

6:35

Okay We are

6:37

told that all of his wealth from

6:39

the different royalty

6:41

checks regarding

6:44

Coca-Cola M&M children's

6:46

books movies television shows

6:49

appearances Go

6:51

to infrastructure and outreach to

6:53

improve Christmas for all children

6:55

amazing But he

6:57

wasn't always so famous. Oh Let's

7:00

let's travel way back to

7:03

the humble origin stories that

7:06

regale us. Okay Historians

7:11

point to In

7:13

one origin story, of course Fourth

7:16

century Myra, which is now a

7:18

modern modern day turkey ish

7:22

and as a

7:24

lad He was

7:26

called Nicholas of Berry Okay

7:31

That explains the same neck could be weird if his name

7:33

was Matt indeed indeed and he

7:35

himself was considered quite the gift

7:38

his parents Had

7:41

difficulty conceiving a child And

7:44

so the day when they

7:46

got Nicholas they were very happy indeed

7:50

Is like Superman a little bit? Okay

7:53

In the pod. No, you

7:55

don't know that though you hesitated that was

7:57

confident. No, you won't know that they didn't

7:59

find him in a cornfield in a pod. But

8:01

much like Superman,

8:04

his parents unfortunately died soon

8:06

after he was born. Now hold on, babe.

8:09

Hey babe. What? Babe? Martha

8:11

can't live... No, what I'm

8:14

saying is, I mean Superman's mom

8:16

is that. You mean like Jor-El

8:19

and... Kaul-El? No. Laura? No. Anyway.

8:21

Anyways, his mom. There was a plague

8:23

going around, so both his mother and father

8:26

were lost to disease, but

8:29

fortunately he was taken

8:31

in by his uncle, who was the

8:33

Bishop of Myra. Young

8:36

Nicholas was very close to

8:38

his uncle, and his uncle of course adored

8:40

him because he

8:42

didn't have a son of his own and

8:44

he took great care of him. And he

8:46

had even shared

8:49

with his congregation, being a bishop at all,

8:51

that he had a vision that Nicholas would

8:53

grow up to bring joy to many people.

8:56

Okay, listen. I get that. That's great. I have

8:59

kids too, and it would be ridiculous to

9:01

get out and be like, I've had a

9:04

vision that my kids are real turds when

9:07

they grow up. This isn't where I thought

9:09

you were going. People

9:11

are not going to like being around them.

9:13

Come on. I mean, that's not something that

9:15

you share with a congregation. That's what I'm saying.

9:18

It's like if you're going to be like, this

9:20

kid's great. Yeah, of course. Okay. Of course. He

9:23

was a very well-known to be

9:25

well-behaved young man and

9:28

had a special place in his heart for

9:30

children in his

9:32

very similar situation. He

9:35

did teach and provide

9:38

for children by helping

9:40

them make toys

9:43

for themselves. Excellent.

9:45

And this is where he begins to

9:47

explore his love of toy making as

9:49

a method of giving. Sure. But there

9:52

were a few people in his

9:54

community whose problems could not be

9:56

solved by a toy. The naughty

9:58

list. No, no. I'm I'm

10:01

referring to those less fortunate. Oh, okay

10:05

And so he had heard the story

10:07

of a man in his community who

10:09

had three beautiful daughters Well at

10:11

that time one had to provide

10:13

a dowry As part

10:15

of a marriage agreement and the man had no

10:17

money for a dowry for any of the

10:19

girls And

10:22

this was the first step to

10:24

bettering their lives, right having a

10:26

good dowry having them marry Well,

10:28

this would ensure that they you

10:30

know that they would live

10:32

comfortably sure so Nicholas

10:35

who's You know uncle

10:37

was the bishop he had money. Yeah Wanted

10:40

to help him but didn't want to insult him

10:43

by giving him money straight to his face,

10:45

right? I dropped it down the chimney. He did

10:47

he dropped a bag of gold down the

10:49

chimney. Wait, really? Yeah, and the money landed

10:52

in the stockings that were drawing by the

10:54

fireplace. I was serious about the giving the money I

10:56

was joking about the chimney. It's why And

11:00

so when the family awoke I mean

11:03

they found gold pouring from their

11:05

socks believing that God had

11:07

finally answered their prayers and

11:10

I guess that that is where you would jump to

11:12

at that time if today I

11:15

Woke up and I grabbed like some

11:17

socks. I've been wearing the day before something and I

11:19

was like, there's money in here. I Would

11:22

assume I've been a victim of the

11:24

weirdest reverse robbery Or

11:27

memory loss. I don't know. I'd be like, we're

11:29

moving Haunted

11:32

or someone has access to my socks. I

11:34

don't know babe. I don't feel safe in this house anymore well, so

11:37

he found that this Was

11:41

his calling he loved to give

11:43

people things and socks are

11:45

great receptacle for little presents and

11:47

feet Indeed, that's

11:49

where they go So

11:52

he returned twice more to this house

11:54

to deliver more money and he was

11:56

eventually caught Arrested

11:59

no No,

12:02

but the

12:04

man was certain that at that point

12:06

the money probably came from somewhere. And

12:12

so he definitely used

12:14

the money for the ladies'

12:16

dowries. But

12:19

here's the thing. It began a sort

12:21

of whisper campaign about

12:23

how awesome Nicholas was,

12:26

and people started

12:29

to copycat him in

12:31

this little town because

12:34

it became very clear that

12:36

Nicholas could be using

12:40

his wealth to help people, other people in the

12:42

tunnel. And no one had ever done that

12:44

before. I mean, I don't know. But

12:47

to this kind of scale, maybe, the

12:51

people of Mira began placing slippers

12:53

and stockings and other things next

12:56

to the fireplace, hopeful that St. Nicholas would

12:58

drop coins down their chimney. And

13:01

other people started leaving anonymous presents

13:03

for people in the community. Like

13:06

it was a really great kind of

13:08

like a rising tide, raises all

13:11

boats kind of thing, right? They

13:13

were all paying it forward. Absolutely. They

13:15

were all paying it forward. So

13:18

this newfound sense of

13:20

community generosity is

13:22

amazing, right? And

13:26

some of the gifts were certainly left by

13:29

Nicholas. Some of the gifts

13:31

certainly weren't left by Nicholas. But

13:33

this is where the kind of like

13:36

magic starts, right?

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on maximumfun.org. We

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were talking about the magic. We were. The magic

15:25

begins. Tell me everything. Everyone

15:29

really denied leaving each other

15:31

presence in this way, but

15:34

they knew that Nicholas had

15:36

gotten caught doing it. So maybe

15:38

he was the only one doing

15:40

it. Maybe the only

15:42

example of a positive time of like, yeah,

15:44

but one time you did do it. So

15:47

we're just going to assume any time it

15:49

happens from now on, it's your fault. I

15:51

mean, he'd have to be in

15:53

so many places at once, and he could do

15:55

that because he was magical.

16:00

was unconcerned with that idea. He continued

16:02

to do what he loved to do.

16:04

In fact, he traveled all the way

16:06

across Turkey and gave away almost all

16:08

of his worldly possessions. And once he

16:10

ran out of stuff to give away,

16:12

he dedicated his life to becoming a

16:14

monk, eventually taking over his uncle's post

16:16

as the bishop. Okay. More

16:20

and more, his magic starts to show

16:22

at this point, he speaks out vocally

16:25

against the corruption in the Catholic Church.

16:27

He fought for

16:29

the protection of those less fortunate. There's

16:31

even a story of him rescuing a

16:33

group of kidnapped children and bringing them

16:35

back home safely. Now that is in

16:38

the life of times of Sandcloths, right? Or

16:40

something, but it's like this monsters or something.

16:42

Yeah, something like that. Yeah. By

16:45

the Renaissance and even the

16:47

Protestant Reformation, St. Nicholas. He'd

16:49

been canonized to this point. Is that

16:51

right? Canonized? I'm not a catifier. And not

16:54

when you become a saint, get canonized? Yes.

16:56

He became venerated as the protector

16:58

and patron saint of children. Also

17:01

though, patron saint of sailors, because

17:03

they also travel all around the

17:05

world. Sure.

17:07

Yeah. Interesting. You got to

17:09

be a patron saint. Someone's got a patron

17:12

saint of sailors. Why not? Yeah. His

17:14

feast day is December 6th. And

17:19

it is still celebrated today, especially,

17:22

is very popular in Holland, where he

17:25

is known as St. Nicholas. And,

17:28

you know, it's a very lucky day

17:31

to make big purchases or to get

17:33

married. Yesterday, I didn't know. I didn't

17:35

know. Well, we could have gotten married

17:37

yesterday. We're already

17:39

married. What? Okay.

17:45

With all of these things, we

17:47

always see that they're wherever people

17:49

are like popular, there's

17:52

also people who hate the thing

17:54

that's popular. Oh, sure. Right. During

17:57

the Protestant Reformation. Oh,

17:59

yeah, that's it. During

18:02

the Protestant Reformation, Martin

18:04

Luther wanted to do away with the

18:06

glorification of Catholic saints. I

18:08

think his heart was in the right place. It

18:10

did become a little bit of a problem. There

18:14

was some stuff in there when you talk about no, put

18:17

no false things, worship no one before me,

18:19

whatever the commandment is. There's a

18:21

lot of muddy waters in this area.

18:26

But he knew that he

18:28

couldn't quite literally take presence

18:32

away from children. Yeah, man. So

18:35

instead of completely doing away with the tradition, he

18:37

tried to start the rumor that the gifts were

18:39

being delivered by the baby Jesus or

18:42

Christ Kringle. Okay,

18:45

Christ Kringle. Yes, okay. I was trying to...

18:47

Take me a second to make the connection

18:49

because I was too busy picturing a baby

18:51

sliding down a chimney. That's

18:55

right, Christ Kringle, people

18:58

misheard as Christ Kringle.

19:02

And I mean, that was a great nickname and

19:04

it turned out to be the rebrand that St.

19:06

Nick is desperately needed at this

19:08

point. And so why

19:11

not, right? It's extremely flattering.

19:13

More sense than a baby. To be hailed as

19:15

a saint. People brought gifts to the baby. Jesus

19:18

didn't roll up in the manger, but goo goo

19:20

gaga. So here's some more for you, wise man.

19:22

Here's some frankincense for you. That's not how it

19:24

worked. People brought presents to him. Martin

19:27

Luther, you could have done better. Okay.

19:30

In his defense, when a

19:32

very, very long time ago, we're

19:35

talking the roots

19:37

of the biblical kind of times,

19:40

on your birthday, you gave

19:42

everybody else presents. You had

19:45

a large party for yourself and

19:47

gave people in the town presents and

19:49

food and stuff. I'm glad we fixed that. I'm glad that we

19:51

fixed that and made it about me. And

19:57

it was great because Chris Kringle. who

20:01

wasn't branded as a saint

20:04

anymore, gave

20:06

presents to all children, not just

20:08

Catholic children, right? As

20:11

it should be. Around

20:15

the 1700s, this is

20:17

where we need another kind

20:19

of like refresh, right? A

20:21

rebrand, like we say. This

20:25

is when Santa

20:27

Claus starts getting really dedicated again

20:29

to the idea of

20:32

generosity, right? It

20:35

goes back and forth, swings back and forth

20:37

between things for me, right? Santa,

20:39

give me the things on my list.

20:42

And Santa, let's make everybody have

20:45

a great time this holiday season,

20:47

right? And Santa baby. But

20:52

to reach a deeper... I

20:55

was making a joke about the song, but then it also connects

20:57

back to a baby Santa. I

20:59

would like to hear a version

21:01

of Santa baby, Santa baby, crawling

21:04

along on the floor, Santa baby,

21:06

can't reach the knob on

21:08

the door, Santa baby, coming

21:10

down the chimney. Oh

21:12

no. I was

21:15

wondering how long you were going to use the thing that,

21:17

that was great. This

21:19

were originally how one

21:21

would deliver requests

21:24

to a saint, right? But

21:27

at this point, we start to see

21:29

the development of the letters, right?

21:33

Record keeping, organizing, much easier when

21:35

you have letters, physical form of

21:38

things. And

21:40

it can encourage children to practice reading and

21:42

writing. Also very good. And

21:45

like I said before, non-religious children don't have to

21:48

feel left out. Maybe you don't do the prayer

21:50

thing and that's okay. You can write him a

21:52

letter. This is when

21:54

in the 1700s I'm talking about, his

21:57

popularity starts to grow in the US.

22:00

The colonies, of course, had a

22:02

lot of different groups

22:05

of people from different places. But

22:08

one of the things that they really wanted

22:10

to move away from was British traditions. They

22:14

just left there. They just left there. So

22:17

Dutch families began to

22:19

spread the idea of Santa Claus,

22:22

and everybody really loved it. It

22:25

is a shame. I don't think

22:28

it even existed at that point, but

22:30

that we didn't have any Australian traditions

22:33

mixed in there. Because I would love it

22:35

if we lean more into the surfboard Santa

22:37

that they have. That'd be cool. Try to

22:39

explain to our children that it's summer right

22:41

now in Australia. They did not understand. It's

22:43

bending their brains. And

22:45

I just think that if we had a

22:47

little more iconography of Santa surfing his way

22:49

into town to deliver presents, we'd all be

22:51

a little better for it. It'd be cool.

22:54

These Dutch families, like I said, referred to

22:56

him as Santa Claus. They

22:59

would gather in groups to celebrate and

23:01

have stockings filled with fruit and little

23:04

gifts and things like that. And

23:06

these events, originally organized

23:08

by communities, became so popular that

23:10

in 1804 the

23:13

New York Historical Society began to

23:15

distribute little woodcuts of

23:18

St. Nicholas or Chris Kringle

23:22

at their society's annual meeting.

23:24

And these beautiful engravings, images of Nicholas

23:27

as well, and the stockings, and the

23:29

toys, and the fruit, and they hung

23:31

them over the fireplaces. It was beautiful,

23:33

right? And so this is where, over

23:37

time, Santa Claus becomes

23:39

Santa Claus. Mmm. I

23:41

mean, I think it's a great nickname

23:44

anyway. It's good. It's

23:46

good. I like it. Better

23:48

than Pablo Gichardt. No, that's good. This

23:51

is when Santa

23:54

Claus becomes close personal friends

23:56

with an iconic American writer

23:58

named Washington. Irving okay

24:02

At the turn of the 19th and also Bugs Bunny not a lot

24:04

of people talk about that The turn

24:07

of the 19th century. It'd be a

24:09

little while longer for for Bugs

24:11

Bunny You don't know that

24:13

just because Bugs Bunny didn't start

24:15

starring in cartoons until way later doesn't mean he

24:17

wasn't it. What is Bugs Bunny's the Easter Bunny?

24:20

Whoo, I love it. How he

24:22

like expenses Have you ever

24:24

seen the Easter Bunny and Bugs Bunny in the same place? You

24:26

know what I haven't oh my god I'm cracking

24:28

this whole thing wide open He

24:31

was already very popular

24:33

Washington Irving He

24:38

cataloged some wonderful American folk

24:41

tales like Rip Van Winkle and

24:43

the Legend of Sleepy Hollow and one

24:45

night He

24:47

and Santa Claus had

24:50

some cocoa together He

24:52

seemed to really enjoy this Gathering

24:56

so much that he pretty much interviewed

24:58

and wrote his story down He

25:02

admitted Santa Claus of course admitted to

25:04

Washington Irving that he adored bringing joy

25:06

to children of all ages And

25:08

he used his feast day as an excuse to

25:10

deliver toys if to any children who

25:12

might have need of them You

25:15

know He was he was

25:17

a humble monk and didn't really like to

25:19

brag about his charity work but Washington

25:22

Irving was spellbound and He

25:25

wrote it down and He

25:29

had this this beautiful story it

25:32

is called the knickerbocker's history of New

25:34

York in Which Washington

25:36

Irving declared that Santa Claus was the

25:38

patron saint of New York, okay? And

25:41

all right even went so far

25:43

as describing how he ran into Santa

25:45

at Central Park I hate

25:47

New York. You've got a lot of good

25:50

stuff going for you. You don't

25:52

get to claim Santa Alright, New

25:55

York. Hey New York. You

25:57

don't get to claim Santa as yours,

25:59

okay? I'll fight you.

26:01

I'll fight the whole city. No,

26:04

I won't. Please don't fight me. This

26:06

is when we really start to see

26:08

the explosion of kind of like Santa

26:11

stories and tales and you know newspaper

26:14

articles detailing Santa's whereabouts

26:17

and questions

26:19

to Santa and things like

26:21

that, right? And it

26:23

really just hasn't slowed down since. This

26:27

is just a really great way. To

26:30

make sure that his message

26:33

of generosity is out

26:35

into the world and being

26:38

so popular knew that he could

26:40

not spread his message by himself.

26:43

And next week we will learn about

26:45

how Santa gets organized. Oh, I love

26:47

that. Hey everybody, thank you so much. Thank you

26:50

for listening. Thank you to our editor Rachel without

26:52

whom we could not make this show. Thank you

26:54

to our researcher Alex without whom we could not

26:56

make this show. And thank you to you for

26:58

listening. You're great and we appreciate you.

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